Since we don't really know what "emptiness" is, or for that matter, what "mind" is, and since many of the ideas of of Quantum Physics are so incomprehensible and counter-intuitive, I view both Buddhism and Modern Physics as being somewhat speculative.
I know this is nothing new, but as you were talking, I thought of two things that were on the edge of my consciousness: First, my Christian upbringing has always suggested that we leave this earth when we die, but suddenly I saw the world "dying" along with us when we pass away, since our reality is really our perception of reality. Second, I saw a correlation between computer code and superposition, since both are like a variable waiting to be translated into form by an observer.
@GeraldP1983 Don't know which buddhist tradition you are from, but coming from the zen pov I see it as: Physics is only a description of the world (a really good one). Just like a painting of an orange is just an image. Not an actual orange. When we observe the world with our senses it's just an abstraction in our mind. In zen we want to see through the abstraction.
Check out the book "Gödel, Escher and Bach..." (I am a fellow physicist and buddhist.)
Another thing Gerald, have u ever though about making a comparison with Hinduism and science? i mean, Buddhism and Hinduism are pretty much overlapping, but i find many people saying that Hinduism is "to much" because all the gods, but i believe that these gods are essentially metaphors for things that are being said in both Buddhism & science. Anyway, let me know & keep up the good work ;-)
@Raksasa187 Hinduism & Buddhism are pretty different, actually. Hindu version of nonduality and karma is different. Brahman is some sort of essence that exists from it's own side, which is not acceptable to any form of Buddhism. So many Buddhist Masters were Brahmin Hindu Pandits first before converting due to having a subtler realization.The difference is subtle and semantic, but the understanding of dependent co-arising transcends the substantialist oneness of monism. Actually very different.
Buddhism and Hinduism arnt that much overlapping as people say or assume.people think like that because both of them talks about peace and they both origin from India but inside or in pali "Abi dhamma" is only revealed in Buddhism and that's the core of what Buddha tough.Buddhism is the only philosophy that talks about "Nirvana".And that's the main goal in Buddhism.But in Hinduism its a total different story.
try looking in to vipassana bhawana.you will find out more about Buddhism
Gerald, seriously, u should make a documentary for Nat Geo or something, more people should just listen/look to this and open their minds, because in my experience there are to much close minded people walking the earth.
an external world exists wether its observed or not.the reallity of it wouldnt exist without an eyebrain or earbrain or even a nosebrain system 2 interprate it.like he said in the video about the car, i think the car is always there in material form its not reallity until its observed.if a candle magicly apeared in the middle of a forest where there were no witnesses, and if a breeze knocked it over would it start a forest fire?would ppl in a near by town C smoke?or would there be no consequence
well I personally think that after reading stuff about buddhism here and there that yes, emptiness is this concept of phenomena lacking independent essence of its own, but thing is, in buddhism, that will only get you as far as an intellectual understanding of it and it won't get you very far or make you more enlightened just because we understand it as an intellectual concept. The point that meditation is important cannot be over-emphasised, which would lead to realisation.
Science is such an objective process that it can become a source of delusion, as it offers a sense that one is viewing the world objectively. The objective process of science however is not the same as viewing the world objectively. We are inherently incapable of true objectivity, as our understanding of the world is simply a description that arises out of language.
I hope I'm understanding you right. Emptiness in Buddhism refers to the lack of independant arising. In the Majhama Nikaya it is explained how form, and the perception of form, is a dependant arising. To reiterate, in Buddhism, emptiness refers to the apsence of an independent SELF.
@MrDhamma13 I was reading in Buddhism of the Heart, that Emptiness is as Thich Nhat Hanh translates it as interbeing. Nothing arises independent of everything else. Everything is changing. All things are Inner Togetherness. If it were not for this, that would not be etc.
Greco-Buddhism, sometimes spelt Graeco-Buddhism, refers to the cultural syncretism between Hellenistic culture and Buddhism, which developed between the 4th century BCE and the 5th century CE
even empty space have energi... they call it "the higgs field" and that field is a "vacum-field". And buy that they mean that it is the only filed that can exist without a source!!! eeeee. But they still haven´t find it. But they needs it for the "standard modell" to work...
The funny part of all of this is that with out emptiness you get reactions like fucking cunt because that individual believed they needed to defend something. If he believed in emptiness he would not have been angered by non reality
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@ cory:
You are a fucking cunt!
I'm an atheist too, but Purusahdassa was being very polite and courteous before you started insulting him personally.
Also, your debating skills are seriously lacking. Develop a small grasp of logic before you attempt to debate a theist who's obviously MUCH smarter than you.
It's shitheads like you who give atheism a bad name, now SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!
wow this must be purushadasa with a diferent user name because he is resulting to name calling and assaults.. no one ever attacked you and if you look you are the only one name calling so stop it... as you can see there is actually no debating of any kind taking place on this page.. don't curse and call names it isn't polite..
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Ask any question about God at my channel, "Purushadasa," and receive the factual answer, guaranteed. All answers given there are guaranteed to be 100% scientifically factual and based strictly on observational data on God. This is a guarantee of scientific diligence and accuracy that the atheist can never provide.
God is not a hypothesis derived from logical assumptions, but an immediate insight, self-evident as light. He is not something to be sought in the darkness with the light of reason. He is the light.
God has been proven for countless centuries, and the atheist dogma
is a new invention, a newcomer attempting to upset a long-established scientifically factual conclusion -- therefore the burden of proof is on the atheist.
Science is the newcomer, atheism is merely an entirely justifiable conclusion. Without the tyranny of religion to hold us back humans are capable of far more than fraudulent miracles, false gods or corrupt clergy. Religion obscures the truth, and never supports it.
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A religious man is a person who holds God and man in one thought at one time, at all times, who suffers harm done to others, whose greatest passion is compassion, whose greatest strength is love and defiance of despair.
Except that religious men seem to lead humanity astray. Consider all the massacres in the old testament done by "holy men". What a load of propaganda.
Ask any question about God at my channel, "Purushadasa," and receive the factual answer, guaranteed. All answers given there are guaranteed to be scientifically factual and based strictly on observational data on God. This is a guarantee that the atheist can never provide.
You have some serious misconceptions about sub-atomic physics. There is no 'empty space' in quantum mechanics this is a simplistic notion. Since Dirac we have been aware that all of space is 'filled'. There are no point particles. Particles are a distribution throughout space, in addition all of 'empty' space is constantly seething with paticle anti-particle creation. Your notion of quantum decoherence is also naive. You have simply selected cetain popular desciptions to suit your position.
Buddhists have been doing this for centuries longer than you or any of your QM heroes.
The particles you speak of are all surrounded by emptiness -- that is why they're called "particles," not masses.
Those particles are also permeated by emptiness.
Buddhism has a much firmer grasp on reality than your counterfeit "science." Compared to them, you and your cronies are less than a bunch of infants, and you have no hope of even beginning to apprehend a scintilla of their ageless wisdom.
A lie told for centuries is still a lie, a truth heard today for the first time is still a truth.
I have no QM 'heros' or 'cronies', you know very little about me to be making such an assumption. An ad hominem attack serves only to show how your own approach to Buddhism is flawed. GeraldP is much closer to enlightenment.
It is clear that you do not understand quantum mechanics.
Again with the persoanl assumptions. You have no idea what my qualifications are or whether I am a Buddhist or not. It is quite clear from your lack of respect and hubris that you are not following the teachings of the Buddha.
He's right. What Buddha is trying to teach us is do not cling on. Everything is impermanent. Is subject to change. If we can understand this point of view. We're moving one step closer to enlightenment.
oh because you say it is real huh..? yeah ok.. i guess you want us to take your word for it.. well take my word for it that the soul is actually green ooze that pours from a 2 headed cat like creature that sits on your shoulder but you can't see it or feel it.. just trust me..
you must be young.. listen, just because someone posts something you don't like doesn't make them your opponent.. also, i know it is easy to call names when you wnat to dismiss someone you disagree with but be mature and open your mind.. leave the name calling to the children, ok..
no you FAIL.. GOP didn't call you a name. you are the name caller.. and "leave calling names to children" is just darn good advice.. you should do just that LEAVE NAME CALLING TO CHILDREN!!!
I especially love the part where we are suppose to believe in a soul just becasuse you told us so.. nice
my point exactly cm.. notice how when you disagree he calls you names then assumes you are an atheist.. after i told him not to name call he called me a hypocrite.. obviously not an scholar, just a name caller.. he has been posting with such regularity on this page I feel kind of bad for him/her
You posit the personal belief that gop didn't call me names, but you offer no evidence for your belief.
You also posit your personal belief in the soul, and the personal belief that I somehow "told you so," but you also offer no evidence for those beliefs either.
Do you have any evidence for your bizarre personal belief system, or did you just make it all up?
umm no i didn't.. what are you talking about.. read the posts, you are the only one name calling.. don't call GOP's belief system bizarre just because you don't subscrip to it.. doesn't sound any more bizarre than believing we have magical little souls and there is a god spying on us all the time...
can I ask you something? I want to take refuge, and study Buddhism, but I can't find any temples, or spiritual teachers or anything! I don't even know where to begin, and the internet doesn't interest me as much as it has for the past couple months while studying it. any suggestion?
Livelife417 You can always subscibe my favorites video. I have downloaded a number of videos for people who want to learn the original teachings of the Buddha
the physical 'space' is not what emptiness in Buddhism is talking about its only a very limited part it of it and still this part is incorrect anyway. emptiness doesn't mean nothing exists.
"all phenomena are empty of inherent existance beacuse they are dependant arisings and have incontravertiable causes"
form is emptiness, emptiness is form.
the opposite of emptiness is that phenomena are existing inherently just because they are not inherent does not mean they dont exist. YOU EXSIST
Empty space is filled with emptiness. Im sure this sounds confusing, because its counter intuative (not something we normally experience) but this is the way reality appears to be. Hope this helps! :)
yes there is space but its defined more as lacking obscuration. not an inherent 'thing' that exists somewhere out there by itself. to understand emptiness you have to understand dependant arising, there is a grave danger of making the mistake of thinking that nothing exsits, in buddhism this is a cause to born in the lower realms and is called the view of nihalism (spelt wrong).
you are amazing. i have been thinking on reality and i think i had break thou, have you ever had one and if yes what did it feel like. mine experience was scary but so intristing. i think i have made a wrong decition i have turn back and came back to my reality. how do i break out, and why do i feel so alone when i am there?
I don't know what everyone else is saying, but you can't be stark with being just spiritual or just logical. Everyone says,oh your a left brained person or your a right brained person. Shouldn't the greater understanding of ourselves and the universe be the joining of the two sides. we are not fighting those that contradict between religion and science, but fighting to understand ourselves and our place in the universe and we can't find the answer with one point of view.
Well said. You've touched on the reasons why i'm growing disillusioned with the Atheist cause, it's becoming a case of 'we're right, you're wrong' which may be the case, but the application of blame and lack of understanding seems unhelpful.
Conscious of mind, peaceful heart and soul, and loving, you can only feel / enlighten from the truth of buddhism principles, but rather to proof it with the atoms, molecules, magnetic field, electomagnetic, or helium, and etc.
Please ready the confucius (English version is widely available), there you can get the deep understanding of buddhism, and in fact it is very simple.. peaceful mind of consciousness..
Hi Gerald, are you a buddhist? this is my first question.
If yes, then your explanation way far from the buddhism philosophy, and more in generalogical of reality, and obviously your are not a buddhist, I must say.
If No, then reading the books and getting the buddhism knowledge can't guarantee 100% competent understanding in buddhism.
The answer is, unless you are a buddhist, becuase buddhism is all about consciousness rather just the emptiness.
Well said. Creationism is bad enough as it is and trying to tie in a "spiritual" philosophy (Buddhism) with science is no better than the fundies spreading of creationism. This is real life people, not The Matrix.
Yes, but your preaching like you know what your saying as fact. If you look at all that human kind "knows" there really is nothing we know for certain, it is all theory or belief. So if everything we think we "know" is just out own observation of what is going on than its nothing more than a person with one point of view. Who are we to say what is right or wrong when all we have is theory to base ourselves on. What i'm trying to say is that there are many possibilities, don't limit yourself.
'Emptiness of spatial obstruction' (or "a lot of empty space") is NOT the same as 'emptiness of inherent existence.' At best, the former is used as an analogy for explaining the latter, and it is common to mistakenly equivocate the two concepts, but that doesn't mean they are describing the same thing. Plus, a Buddha is omniscient, knowing all phenomena, and does not suffer from the uncertainty principle; he knows BOTH their location and their velocity.
This proves buddha was a prophet of god. How could a man have known this scientific fact of atoms and empty space? Only god could have known, telling buddha to say it so that we can all worship the one true god. Good work!
It proves no such thing...since his parallels are based on Quantum Physics...a field of science that is more akin to scientific philosophy than scientific fact. In fact sapce itself is 'Something" For If we have matter in the universe 'PHysical things" we also require Space which is something in order to have a place to put it. Much of quantum theory is mere speculation and has neither been observed nor proven. Thus. basing his assumptions on science fiction rather than science fact.
Yet teachings like Mohammed's statement that you should dip flies deep into your soup if they touch the surface are called "scientific miracles" of Islam. There's no shortage of purported "scientific miracles" muslims say are in the quran or sunnah, which are far more fanciful than what buddhism teaches. Yet when the quran says that stars were made to shoot down satans who try eavesdrop on heaven, it's not considered non-scientific at all.
I agree with you, but just for the record, in Buddhism there is (1) produced space, and (2) unproduced space. The first is what you are referring to, whereas the second is what I was referring to (i.e., the mere absence of spatial obstruction, without implying any positive phenomenon). Thanks!
The super position principle has always fascinated me. Reminds me of the paradox of Schrodinger's cat, how the cat neither exists nor doesn't exist until it is observed.
chsbcg, pull yourself together will you. Every entry I read from you contains harsh language and belittling of others. Show some respect for others opinions.
"Unless being observed reality exists in superposition, or infinite possibility, its not until things are observed that they become "material"ized. There's an inseparable tie between mind and matter."
As far as I know, this isn`t physics, it`s pure phylosophy. In traditional science, at least, matter is independent from the mind.
you know about the slit experiment where observing a partical fired through two slits creates an intereference pattern, electrons act as a wave, but when attempting observed or measure its as a partical and creates a normal pattern. there are some interesting ties with philosophy as science came from so called philosophers and heathens and is thus a philosophy itself as it has its own ethics and laws. where is the difference?
"two sides of the same coin." Absolutley correct. Buddhism is the Ying, and Science is the Yang. The soft and hard. Though they appear idividual and seperate, they are truly one. Duality is illusion. A matter is a particle and a wave, not just one or the other,
Buddhism is a Dharma. Buddha's teaching Four Noble Truths and if you practice the Eight Fold Path and follow his path you will become a Buddha yourself...The concept of Karma is the cause and effect. It applies anywhere anytime, past and present and future. (It's like law and order in our world today, you steal, you go to real jail) Buddha teaches according to the level of his sangha's capability. Once you get into his teaching you will understand more.
Budha teaching is the story telling, not preaching. The stories are full of compassion and loving kindness. The teaching is pure, no violence, and beautiful. Once you absorb his teaching, and practice in his guidance, your "I" will disappear into emptiness.
Budha teaching is the story telling, not preaching. The stories are full of compassion and loving kindness. The teaching is pure, no violence, and beautiful. Once you absorb his teaching, and practice in his guidance, your "I" will disappear into emptiness.
Love the video, very deep and very thought provoking, I'm reading a book about Buddhism and almost all of what he taught stands firm scientifically even today.
Neither Heisenberg or Schrodinger were Buddhists, but i think they were aware of the similarities with quantum p. The Hindu Vedas r one of the few religious texts which correctly portray a universe made of tiny particles(atoms). When these were joined into one mass they became God, by process of elimination i guess. Sadly,quantum p.does not provide workable analogies 4 physical behaviour on our level of reality and existence.Simple answers r so seductive. Generalise and risk being misunderstood.
Science will never 'get' to Absolute Reality because Reality is experienced, not explained. The same goes for philosophy. Religious teachings don't 'explain' Reality, they 'point' to it.
Great video, I too am Buddhist and find any parallels between Buddhist teachings and quantum physics and science especially neurology and psychology... the ego,id, perception and truth. Namaste.
In ancient religions the sun used to be worshipped and that it was personal to us. I can understand how people could worship the sun because it brings warmth, skin protection and LIGHT! Now spirituality focuses on Light. In Hellenism, there are two sun gods, Helios who is just the sun and Apollo, who is also the god of prophecy, enlightenment, poetry etc. It shows that Light has a meaning of intelligence to us, is this true? Sun is a nuclear fusion but is there more since it gives light?
I think when people start speculating about emptiness is when people like Deimos begin to collect their ammunition. The Buddha said, "things are not as they seem, nor are they otherwise." He is basically just saying there is more than meets the eye. Emptiness itself refers to the fact that nothing has inherent existence; everything is ephemeral and in flux, temporarily existing in temporary states. However, what is aware is not made up of anything at all and this is what emptiness means.
you should change it to where science and buddhist philosophy meets. I don't believe in some aspects of buddhism such as the absense of a creator, but the world is like a matrix,just an illusion and our real selves are somewhere where the creator can observe.Buddha is just a philospher
The Buddhist doctrine doesn't claim the absense of gods or the creator, it just does not place focus on them. The focus is to develope a transcendent consiousness.
I don't think Buddhist philosophy has anything to do with science. The "mind creates reality" idea is meant more so to say that a persons state of mind becomes their personal reality... not that the mind actually manifests atoms and phyiscal reality. Also, the idea that "reality is an illusion" makes science irrelevant. If reality is an illusion, then it doesn't matter what science says an atom is bc a Buddhist would say that physical things are just part of the dream.
From what I understand of emptiness it is the idea that reality is the product of mind. Not just perspective changing your reality. Thanks for your thoughts on this ! :D
I suppose words don't really matter, and maybe when I see the words "mind" and "emptiness" from you they mean different things. The truth matters, words don't really have any truth.
But anyway, my understanding was that mind is the illusion that Buddhists are trying to see through, and so mind has nothing to do with reality. Reality is when a person no longer sees a false sense of self identified with their mind.
cause you say in your vid, "emtiness is the way things really are, not the way they appear". So they way things appear is that matter is spaced out far, and things have a mirage like quality. but as you say it doesn't really matter what things appear.
In a dream, it doesn't really matter what things appear to look like, bc it's not reality. So to study the physics flying within within a dream is an interesting study, but truth of existence can never be found by studying in the dream itself.
Brilliant misrepresentation of laymen science. Not since the cult figure of Harun Yahya has there been such a gross semantic disfigurement of the beautiful processes of scientific inquiry.
Oh chsbcg...tisk tisk. You cannot simply assert that something that is material (can be empirically observed, detected, or measured) is not material and offer the justification "they are beyond the material". That is silliness to the highest degree.
I looked at your Myspace profile and you contradicted yourself. You said "I am free", you idiot, you denied freedom and said everything is materially determined. Matter has no freedom whereas humans do.
I am free. I to understand valid theories supported by evidence as opposed to clinging to the worship of ghosts validated only by appeals to emotion or sentimentality. Your cults have got you hook, line, and sinker. Compared to you, I'm the free-est man alive.
Yeah we are free to think for ourselves, and our freedom is not the brain nor is it any other physical substance, our freedom is the mind i.e. the soul.
LMAO, I'm free not to be enslaved by other humans using their mystical cult dogma. I am free to think objectively about reality. The world is still deterministic, but this fact doesn't change how I think or behave. That is why you lack critical thinking skills. You are intellectually shallow.
No. I never contradicted myself. Not even on a semantic level. You are a slave with regards to your arbitrary supernatural cult dogma, I am free to examine the world objectively and empirically without this anti-logic baggage you seem to be hopelessly glued to.
You do contradict yourself. You say that freewill does not exist but then you start going on about how you are free. That is contradiction. I come up with anti-logic? What is logic since it is not material? Can anyone find it in my brain? NO! Because it is not material. We are free to do what we want or decide, we are free to think, we are not determined by ridiculous material forces.
freewill is not the definition of freedom, you imbecile. Thusly, it's not a contradiction. YOu are trying, desperately and with great futility, to conflate Freedom from dogma (objectivity, skepticism, empiricism) to Freedom from determinism (non-random true choice unaffected by causality). "Ridiculous material forces"...oh, like gravity? If it's so ridiculous, do me a favor and jump off a tall building.
Freedom from determinism meaning we can make choices, we can change our behaviour, we can change our thoughts, we can decide what is right or wrong. None of those are material!
chsbcg, prove that there is such a thing as right and wrong.
Oh boy, I can tell you are extremely inept with regards to philosophy. I suggest you read some books on physics, chemistry, and philosophy before you embarrass yourself any further.
I am not embarassing myself, you are. You are just getting stupider and stupider. So you deny right and wrong, therefore, you believe it does not matter to kill masses of innocent people? You think it is alright to rape children? What makes something wrong is how it causes pain to one another. Oh yes, what is pain? That is something physics cannot answer, because what is pain? It is not nothing, it is something that cannot be found in this world.
freewill is not the definition of freedom, you imbecile. Thusly, it's not a contradiction. YOu are trying, desperately and with great futility, to conflate Freedom from dogma (objectivity, skepticism, empiricism) to Freedom from determinism (non-random true choice unaffected by causality). "Ridiculous material forces"...oh, like gravity? If it's so ridiculous, do me a favor and jump off a tall building.
"Freedom from dogma (objectivity, skepticism, empiricism) to Freedom from determinism (non-random true choice unaffected by causality)."
Both are the same because they are freedom of the self, they are determined by the choices one makes, which you ridiculously deny. I don't hate to think but you pervert thoughts as material. So can you find an image or an idea in my head? And you say you have read Nietzsche since you do not realise that Nietzsche was in favour of Traditionalism.
What I'm saying is that in your description, phenomena are empty of inherent existence due to the fact that they must be perceived by a observer, i.e. the mind to "exist". However, it should be argued that the object itself lacks inherent existence, regardless of whether or not there is someone observing it. For example, the koan asking what a sound of a falling tree is if there is no one to hear it would be rather one sided as the sound lacks inherent existence even if it isn't heard.
you have given an understandable rap on a tricky subject. ..Its a hard one for people to get their heads around. Me included....so well done.
mikeleighmusic 6 months ago
Since we don't really know what "emptiness" is, or for that matter, what "mind" is, and since many of the ideas of of Quantum Physics are so incomprehensible and counter-intuitive, I view both Buddhism and Modern Physics as being somewhat speculative.
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9 people are 99.999999999999% empty headed
a7exisonfire17 11 months ago
9 people are .0000000000001% matter
a7exisonfire17 11 months ago
I know this is nothing new, but as you were talking, I thought of two things that were on the edge of my consciousness: First, my Christian upbringing has always suggested that we leave this earth when we die, but suddenly I saw the world "dying" along with us when we pass away, since our reality is really our perception of reality. Second, I saw a correlation between computer code and superposition, since both are like a variable waiting to be translated into form by an observer.
terransage 1 year ago
Please explain to me the science of karma, the cycle of suffering and rebirth, Naraka beings, Preta, hungry ghost, Asuras,Devas including Brahmas.
Tell me the science of why a 4 year old child becomes a monk.
Buddha suggest that we question these things.
Buddhism28401 1 year ago
watch youtube vid:
TEDxBlue - Daniel J. Siegel, M.D. - 10/18/09
qaplatlhinganmaH 1 year ago
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check out youtube vid:
Burke Lecture: Buddhism in a Global Age of Technology
watch google video:
Thomas McEvilley on 'The Shape of Ancient Thought'
qaplatlhinganmaH 1 year ago
@GeraldP1983 Don't know which buddhist tradition you are from, but coming from the zen pov I see it as: Physics is only a description of the world (a really good one). Just like a painting of an orange is just an image. Not an actual orange. When we observe the world with our senses it's just an abstraction in our mind. In zen we want to see through the abstraction.
Check out the book "Gödel, Escher and Bach..." (I am a fellow physicist and buddhist.)
laserbuddha 1 year ago
Well said! Form is Empty. Empty is Form.
We build houses but its inside the space that matter.
We make cups but it is what it holds that matter.
They complement each other and yes, all out of nothing!
nelvin76 1 year ago
Another thing Gerald, have u ever though about making a comparison with Hinduism and science? i mean, Buddhism and Hinduism are pretty much overlapping, but i find many people saying that Hinduism is "to much" because all the gods, but i believe that these gods are essentially metaphors for things that are being said in both Buddhism & science. Anyway, let me know & keep up the good work ;-)
Raksasa187 1 year ago
@Raksasa187 Yeah I think the same comparison can be made! I just wanted to focus a bit more on Buddhism! :)
GeraldP1983 1 year ago
@Raksasa187 Hinduism & Buddhism are pretty different, actually. Hindu version of nonduality and karma is different. Brahman is some sort of essence that exists from it's own side, which is not acceptable to any form of Buddhism. So many Buddhist Masters were Brahmin Hindu Pandits first before converting due to having a subtler realization.The difference is subtle and semantic, but the understanding of dependent co-arising transcends the substantialist oneness of monism. Actually very different.
PunchinTheMunchkin 1 year ago
@Raksasa187
Buddhism and Hinduism arnt that much overlapping as people say or assume.people think like that because both of them talks about peace and they both origin from India but inside or in pali "Abi dhamma" is only revealed in Buddhism and that's the core of what Buddha tough.Buddhism is the only philosophy that talks about "Nirvana".And that's the main goal in Buddhism.But in Hinduism its a total different story.
try looking in to vipassana bhawana.you will find out more about Buddhism
Kmartful 1 year ago
@Raksasa187 where are your sources ? Send me a link please
OpenAirAtheist 5 months ago
Gerald, seriously, u should make a documentary for Nat Geo or something, more people should just listen/look to this and open their minds, because in my experience there are to much close minded people walking the earth.
Raksasa187 1 year ago
an external world exists wether its observed or not.the reallity of it wouldnt exist without an eyebrain or earbrain or even a nosebrain system 2 interprate it.like he said in the video about the car, i think the car is always there in material form its not reallity until its observed.if a candle magicly apeared in the middle of a forest where there were no witnesses, and if a breeze knocked it over would it start a forest fire?would ppl in a near by town C smoke?or would there be no consequence
TheOnemandigitaljam 1 year ago
goood video
idotechno 1 year ago
well I personally think that after reading stuff about buddhism here and there that yes, emptiness is this concept of phenomena lacking independent essence of its own, but thing is, in buddhism, that will only get you as far as an intellectual understanding of it and it won't get you very far or make you more enlightened just because we understand it as an intellectual concept. The point that meditation is important cannot be over-emphasised, which would lead to realisation.
aloozer 1 year ago
Science is such an objective process that it can become a source of delusion, as it offers a sense that one is viewing the world objectively. The objective process of science however is not the same as viewing the world objectively. We are inherently incapable of true objectivity, as our understanding of the world is simply a description that arises out of language.
smokeinhiseyes 1 year ago
great video!
pls do some more on this subject...
thanx
hodsarid 1 year ago
impermanence = emptiness . Inshort, what you right now is not what you saw few seconds ago.
tenzinpalden 2 years ago
I hope I'm understanding you right. Emptiness in Buddhism refers to the lack of independant arising. In the Majhama Nikaya it is explained how form, and the perception of form, is a dependant arising. To reiterate, in Buddhism, emptiness refers to the apsence of an independent SELF.
Is this what you're trying to get to?
MrDhamma13 2 years ago
Absence of a independent self is an aspect of Emptiness, yes! :]
GeraldP1983 2 years ago
@MrDhamma13 I was reading in Buddhism of the Heart, that Emptiness is as Thich Nhat Hanh translates it as interbeing. Nothing arises independent of everything else. Everything is changing. All things are Inner Togetherness. If it were not for this, that would not be etc.
Spiritualseeker86 2 years ago
Greco-Buddhism, sometimes spelt Graeco-Buddhism, refers to the cultural syncretism between Hellenistic culture and Buddhism, which developed between the 4th century BCE and the 5th century CE
qaplatlhinganmaH 2 years ago
even empty space have energi... they call it "the higgs field" and that field is a "vacum-field". And buy that they mean that it is the only filed that can exist without a source!!! eeeee. But they still haven´t find it. But they needs it for the "standard modell" to work...
But there is no true empty space.
pigment777 2 years ago
You confuse the emptiness that is voidness with emptiness [a lack of] independent existence, which is what Lord Buddha taught.
Donald Lopez' 'Buddhism and Science' refutes the very recent notion that physics somehow validates Buddhism.
boodistGeek 2 years ago
Thank youfor posting enjoyed this
subbtopp 2 years ago
The funny part of all of this is that with out emptiness you get reactions like fucking cunt because that individual believed they needed to defend something. If he believed in emptiness he would not have been angered by non reality
Thank good day
546422 2 years ago
It's ironic that a video discussing buddhism has so many arrogant posts.
JoshRom 2 years ago 2
and see how they call names.. thats all they can do..
name calling fail.. lol hahaha
GOPHATESAMERICA 2 years ago 5
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@ cory:
You are a fucking cunt!
I'm an atheist too, but Purusahdassa was being very polite and courteous before you started insulting him personally.
Also, your debating skills are seriously lacking. Develop a small grasp of logic before you attempt to debate a theist who's obviously MUCH smarter than you.
It's shitheads like you who give atheism a bad name, now SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!
AtheosZero 2 years ago
wow this must be purushadasa with a diferent user name because he is resulting to name calling and assaults.. no one ever attacked you and if you look you are the only one name calling so stop it... as you can see there is actually no debating of any kind taking place on this page.. don't curse and call names it isn't polite..
GOPHATESAMERICA 2 years ago 3
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You have gone off the deep end.
atheist paranoia fail
Purushadasa 2 years ago
i'm not an atheist.. as far as the rest of your lud post goes all i can say is nice.. i'll pray for you..
corysmolly 2 years ago
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...and I'll think for you!
LOL
AtheosZero 2 years ago
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Ask any question about God at my channel, "Purushadasa," and receive the factual answer, guaranteed. All answers given there are guaranteed to be 100% scientifically factual and based strictly on observational data on God. This is a guarantee of scientific diligence and accuracy that the atheist can never provide.
Purushadasa 2 years ago
Wonder rather than doubt is the root of all knowledge.
--Rabbi Abraham Heschel
Purushadasa 2 years ago
God is not a hypothesis derived from logical assumptions, but an immediate insight, self-evident as light. He is not something to be sought in the darkness with the light of reason. He is the light.
--Rabbi Abraham Heschel
Purushadasa 2 years ago
Rabbi Heschel was wrong about that one. How can an imaginary sky dictator be anything but a hinderance to humanity's desire to learn the truth ?
formless777 2 years ago
God has been proven for countless centuries, and the atheist dogma
is a new invention, a newcomer attempting to upset a long-established scientifically factual conclusion -- therefore the burden of proof is on the atheist.
Purushadasa 2 years ago
Science is the newcomer, atheism is merely an entirely justifiable conclusion. Without the tyranny of religion to hold us back humans are capable of far more than fraudulent miracles, false gods or corrupt clergy. Religion obscures the truth, and never supports it.
formless777 2 years ago
@formless777 I agree with you and so does the buddha-dharma.
ad627 1 year ago
Thanks ad627, and that is why if I were to choose a religion it would be Buddhism. It is the original religion and still the best.
formless777 1 year ago
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A religious man is a person who holds God and man in one thought at one time, at all times, who suffers harm done to others, whose greatest passion is compassion, whose greatest strength is love and defiance of despair.
--Rabbi Abraham Heschel
Purushadasa 2 years ago
Except that religious men seem to lead humanity astray. Consider all the massacres in the old testament done by "holy men". What a load of propaganda.
formless777 2 years ago
Ask any question about God at my channel, "Purushadasa," and receive the factual answer, guaranteed. All answers given there are guaranteed to be scientifically factual and based strictly on observational data on God. This is a guarantee that the atheist can never provide.
Purushadasa 2 years ago
You have some serious misconceptions about sub-atomic physics. There is no 'empty space' in quantum mechanics this is a simplistic notion. Since Dirac we have been aware that all of space is 'filled'. There are no point particles. Particles are a distribution throughout space, in addition all of 'empty' space is constantly seething with paticle anti-particle creation. Your notion of quantum decoherence is also naive. You have simply selected cetain popular desciptions to suit your position.
herbiepop 2 years ago
Buddhists have been doing this for centuries longer than you or any of your QM heroes.
The particles you speak of are all surrounded by emptiness -- that is why they're called "particles," not masses.
Those particles are also permeated by emptiness.
Buddhism has a much firmer grasp on reality than your counterfeit "science." Compared to them, you and your cronies are less than a bunch of infants, and you have no hope of even beginning to apprehend a scintilla of their ageless wisdom.
Purushadasa 2 years ago
A lie told for centuries is still a lie, a truth heard today for the first time is still a truth.
I have no QM 'heros' or 'cronies', you know very little about me to be making such an assumption. An ad hominem attack serves only to show how your own approach to Buddhism is flawed. GeraldP is much closer to enlightenment.
It is clear that you do not understand quantum mechanics.
herbiepop 2 years ago
I made no ad hominem attack; I simply pointed out your lack of qualifications to be making statements about emptiness.
I also have no approach to Buddhism. I pointed out the superiority of the Buddhists' grasp on reality over yours.
I understand QM better than you do, and the Buddhists understand reality better than you do.
herbiepop fail
Purushadasa 2 years ago
Again with the persoanl assumptions. You have no idea what my qualifications are or whether I am a Buddhist or not. It is quite clear from your lack of respect and hubris that you are not following the teachings of the Buddha.
herbiepop 2 years ago
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AtheosZero 2 years ago
He's right. What Buddha is trying to teach us is do not cling on. Everything is impermanent. Is subject to change. If we can understand this point of view. We're moving one step closer to enlightenment.
Life is uncertain, death is certain.
impermanentoo 2 years ago
Not everything, actually. According to Buddhist philosophy, "Buddha Nature" is permanent. The self is also permanent.
Purushadasa 2 years ago
Self is an illusion which we create to have a sense of permanence,
senra12 2 years ago
True. You are referring to the false ego, which is illusory, but the real self, the soul, is most definitely real and permanent.
The soul is never created and never destroyed; it exists eternally.
Purushadasa 2 years ago
oh because you say it is real huh..? yeah ok.. i guess you want us to take your word for it.. well take my word for it that the soul is actually green ooze that pours from a 2 headed cat like creature that sits on your shoulder but you can't see it or feel it.. just trust me..
GOPHATESAMERICA 2 years ago
It's nice to have a stark-raving lunatic as an "opponent." That way, no defense is necessary -- his insanity cuts off his own "argument" at the root!
ROFLMFAO!!!
Purushadasa 2 years ago
you must be young.. listen, just because someone posts something you don't like doesn't make them your opponent.. also, i know it is easy to call names when you wnat to dismiss someone you disagree with but be mature and open your mind.. leave the name calling to the children, ok..
GOPHATESAMERICA 2 years ago
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What a hypocrite you are.
You call names in the same breath as you say "leave calling names to children."
atheist hypocrite fail
Purushadasa 2 years ago
no you FAIL.. GOP didn't call you a name. you are the name caller.. and "leave calling names to children" is just darn good advice.. you should do just that LEAVE NAME CALLING TO CHILDREN!!!
I especially love the part where we are suppose to believe in a soul just becasuse you told us so.. nice
corysmolly 2 years ago
my point exactly cm.. notice how when you disagree he calls you names then assumes you are an atheist.. after i told him not to name call he called me a hypocrite.. obviously not an scholar, just a name caller.. he has been posting with such regularity on this page I feel kind of bad for him/her
GOPHATESAMERICA 2 years ago
hey GOP you are right.. he lives on this post like 24/7 .. i'm starting to feel sorry for him/her too.
corysmolly 2 years ago
You posit the personal belief that gop didn't call me names, but you offer no evidence for your belief.
You also posit your personal belief in the soul, and the personal belief that I somehow "told you so," but you also offer no evidence for those beliefs either.
Do you have any evidence for your bizarre personal belief system, or did you just make it all up?
Purushadasa 2 years ago
umm no i didn't.. what are you talking about.. read the posts, you are the only one name calling.. don't call GOP's belief system bizarre just because you don't subscrip to it.. doesn't sound any more bizarre than believing we have magical little souls and there is a god spying on us all the time...
corysmolly 2 years ago
atheist name-caller fail
atheist liar fail
atheist straw-man fail
Purushadasa 2 years ago
see GOP he replies with insults then spams.. he just can't leave me alone.. i wish he would stop stalking me..
corysmolly 2 years ago
hahaha lol.. amen
GOPHATESAMERICA 2 years ago
GOP don't spend the time on this kid.. you can tell it has no understanding..
corysmolly 2 years ago
Or the soul never existed at all...
formless777 2 years ago
matter is actually 99.999999999999% emptiness. not 99.999%
Livelife417 2 years ago
yeah your right! :D
GeraldP1983 2 years ago
can I ask you something? I want to take refuge, and study Buddhism, but I can't find any temples, or spiritual teachers or anything! I don't even know where to begin, and the internet doesn't interest me as much as it has for the past couple months while studying it. any suggestion?
Livelife417 2 years ago
Livelife417 You can always subscibe my favorites video. I have downloaded a number of videos for people who want to learn the original teachings of the Buddha
impermanentoo 2 years ago
the physical 'space' is not what emptiness in Buddhism is talking about its only a very limited part it of it and still this part is incorrect anyway. emptiness doesn't mean nothing exists.
"all phenomena are empty of inherent existance beacuse they are dependant arisings and have incontravertiable causes"
form is emptiness, emptiness is form.
the opposite of emptiness is that phenomena are existing inherently just because they are not inherent does not mean they dont exist. YOU EXSIST
hearer87 2 years ago
Thank you for many wonderful videos! You've been a journey of saving sentient beings. Keep it up.
Don't forget The Four Noble Truths and The Eight Fold Path. Cultivation is extremely important at this period. Keep up your great work.
nelvin76 2 years ago
What makes up empty space? Is there such a thing as empty space?
ExplodingApple 2 years ago
Empty space is filled with emptiness. Im sure this sounds confusing, because its counter intuative (not something we normally experience) but this is the way reality appears to be. Hope this helps! :)
GeraldP1983 2 years ago
yes there is space but its defined more as lacking obscuration. not an inherent 'thing' that exists somewhere out there by itself. to understand emptiness you have to understand dependant arising, there is a grave danger of making the mistake of thinking that nothing exsits, in buddhism this is a cause to born in the lower realms and is called the view of nihalism (spelt wrong).
hearer87 2 years ago
you are amazing. i have been thinking on reality and i think i had break thou, have you ever had one and if yes what did it feel like. mine experience was scary but so intristing. i think i have made a wrong decition i have turn back and came back to my reality. how do i break out, and why do i feel so alone when i am there?
morte86 2 years ago
Hey Morte, I'll be sending you a message about this soon! :D
GeraldP1983 2 years ago
Nice futon, I have the same one. Very comfortable.
Cedrics360 2 years ago
I don't know what everyone else is saying, but you can't be stark with being just spiritual or just logical. Everyone says,oh your a left brained person or your a right brained person. Shouldn't the greater understanding of ourselves and the universe be the joining of the two sides. we are not fighting those that contradict between religion and science, but fighting to understand ourselves and our place in the universe and we can't find the answer with one point of view.
williebruno9833 3 years ago
Well said. You've touched on the reasons why i'm growing disillusioned with the Atheist cause, it's becoming a case of 'we're right, you're wrong' which may be the case, but the application of blame and lack of understanding seems unhelpful.
Sailwa 2 years ago
Conscious of mind, peaceful heart and soul, and loving, you can only feel / enlighten from the truth of buddhism principles, but rather to proof it with the atoms, molecules, magnetic field, electomagnetic, or helium, and etc.
Please ready the confucius (English version is widely available), there you can get the deep understanding of buddhism, and in fact it is very simple.. peaceful mind of consciousness..
Amali0011 3 years ago
Hi Gerald, are you a buddhist? this is my first question.
If yes, then your explanation way far from the buddhism philosophy, and more in generalogical of reality, and obviously your are not a buddhist, I must say.
If No, then reading the books and getting the buddhism knowledge can't guarantee 100% competent understanding in buddhism.
The answer is, unless you are a buddhist, becuase buddhism is all about consciousness rather just the emptiness.
Amali0011 3 years ago
Tying in any religion with science is stupid. This video is no better than the poor logic used by dishonest Christians and Muslims.
People see what they want to see, they like Buddhism so they'll convince themselves that it is 100% logical and scientific.
URAGR8M8 3 years ago
Well said. Creationism is bad enough as it is and trying to tie in a "spiritual" philosophy (Buddhism) with science is no better than the fundies spreading of creationism. This is real life people, not The Matrix.
PhilipEbanks 3 years ago
Its about experience. You live that life and ill live this one have fun lol.
Theronguardaaah 2 years ago
Yes, but your preaching like you know what your saying as fact. If you look at all that human kind "knows" there really is nothing we know for certain, it is all theory or belief. So if everything we think we "know" is just out own observation of what is going on than its nothing more than a person with one point of view. Who are we to say what is right or wrong when all we have is theory to base ourselves on. What i'm trying to say is that there are many possibilities, don't limit yourself.
williebruno9833 2 years ago
This is exactly what Buddhism is saying and therefore you should start unknowing.
babb9520 2 years ago
Simply put everything is an idea. To call it truth is to say it is only the idea of truth
oros123456 2 years ago
'Emptiness of spatial obstruction' (or "a lot of empty space") is NOT the same as 'emptiness of inherent existence.' At best, the former is used as an analogy for explaining the latter, and it is common to mistakenly equivocate the two concepts, but that doesn't mean they are describing the same thing. Plus, a Buddha is omniscient, knowing all phenomena, and does not suffer from the uncertainty principle; he knows BOTH their location and their velocity.
xeremos 3 years ago
This proves buddha was a prophet of god. How could a man have known this scientific fact of atoms and empty space? Only god could have known, telling buddha to say it so that we can all worship the one true god. Good work!
grassfell 3 years ago
So, God also told Buddha there was no creator god?
xeremos 3 years ago
It proves no such thing...since his parallels are based on Quantum Physics...a field of science that is more akin to scientific philosophy than scientific fact. In fact sapce itself is 'Something" For If we have matter in the universe 'PHysical things" we also require Space which is something in order to have a place to put it. Much of quantum theory is mere speculation and has neither been observed nor proven. Thus. basing his assumptions on science fiction rather than science fact.
thevinerhyme 3 years ago
Yet teachings like Mohammed's statement that you should dip flies deep into your soup if they touch the surface are called "scientific miracles" of Islam. There's no shortage of purported "scientific miracles" muslims say are in the quran or sunnah, which are far more fanciful than what buddhism teaches. Yet when the quran says that stars were made to shoot down satans who try eavesdrop on heaven, it's not considered non-scientific at all.
Keep interpreting things the way you like.
grassfell 3 years ago
I agree with you, but just for the record, in Buddhism there is (1) produced space, and (2) unproduced space. The first is what you are referring to, whereas the second is what I was referring to (i.e., the mere absence of spatial obstruction, without implying any positive phenomenon). Thanks!
xeremos 3 years ago
Thank you for posting this!!!
luispantoja 3 years ago
The super position principle has always fascinated me. Reminds me of the paradox of Schrodinger's cat, how the cat neither exists nor doesn't exist until it is observed.
HaleyMary 3 years ago
great video and important subject. i have long noticed the parallels between science and buddhism. nice to see i'm not alone in seeing that :)
XxsoulsuckerxX 3 years ago
chsbcg, pull yourself together will you. Every entry I read from you contains harsh language and belittling of others. Show some respect for others opinions.
indigoblue66 3 years ago
this is really interesting video thanks, bet youve read "the tao of physics" too with some of the stuff youve said here. :)
BlackNeon9 3 years ago
beautifully put.... nice to see concious ppl speak.
tristansingleton 3 years ago
"Unless being observed reality exists in superposition, or infinite possibility, its not until things are observed that they become "material"ized. There's an inseparable tie between mind and matter."
As far as I know, this isn`t physics, it`s pure phylosophy. In traditional science, at least, matter is independent from the mind.
antisua 3 years ago
you know about the slit experiment where observing a partical fired through two slits creates an intereference pattern, electrons act as a wave, but when attempting observed or measure its as a partical and creates a normal pattern. there are some interesting ties with philosophy as science came from so called philosophers and heathens and is thus a philosophy itself as it has its own ethics and laws. where is the difference?
BlackNeon9 3 years ago
"two sides of the same coin." Absolutley correct. Buddhism is the Ying, and Science is the Yang. The soft and hard. Though they appear idividual and seperate, they are truly one. Duality is illusion. A matter is a particle and a wave, not just one or the other,
muaythaifighter16 3 years ago
Hey nice video, Bless you with real happness and may you grow more in peace within and spread this wisdom to all.
1214196970 3 years ago
Books on the subject:
Consciousness at the Crossroads: Conversations with the Dalai Lama on Brainscience and Buddhism
The Universe in a Single Atom: The Convergence of Science and Spirituality
The Dalai Lama at MIT
Destructive Emotions: A Scientific Dialogue with the Dalai Lama
rkzenrage 3 years ago
wow far out I like yur thinking and you articulate your thoughts very well.
Thanks
thefrostflyer 3 years ago
Buddhism is a Dharma. Buddha's teaching Four Noble Truths and if you practice the Eight Fold Path and follow his path you will become a Buddha yourself...The concept of Karma is the cause and effect. It applies anywhere anytime, past and present and future. (It's like law and order in our world today, you steal, you go to real jail) Buddha teaches according to the level of his sangha's capability. Once you get into his teaching you will understand more.
theoneintheall 3 years ago
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Budha teaching is the story telling, not preaching. The stories are full of compassion and loving kindness. The teaching is pure, no violence, and beautiful. Once you absorb his teaching, and practice in his guidance, your "I" will disappear into emptiness.
theoneintheall 3 years ago
Budha teaching is the story telling, not preaching. The stories are full of compassion and loving kindness. The teaching is pure, no violence, and beautiful. Once you absorb his teaching, and practice in his guidance, your "I" will disappear into emptiness.
theoneintheall 3 years ago
"Science without Buddhism, wild goose chase.
Buddhism without Science, Buddhism.
Buddhism with Science, Broader based Buddhism.
Science with Buddhism, Moral Based Science
theoneintheall 3 years ago
Love the video, very deep and very thought provoking, I'm reading a book about Buddhism and almost all of what he taught stands firm scientifically even today.
Nowitzki25 3 years ago
Nicely done in 7 minutes! Lots of books out there that expand on this topic. I like 'The Tao of Physics'.
zencat 3 years ago
Neither Heisenberg or Schrodinger were Buddhists, but i think they were aware of the similarities with quantum p. The Hindu Vedas r one of the few religious texts which correctly portray a universe made of tiny particles(atoms). When these were joined into one mass they became God, by process of elimination i guess. Sadly,quantum p.does not provide workable analogies 4 physical behaviour on our level of reality and existence.Simple answers r so seductive. Generalise and risk being misunderstood.
slessorpr 3 years ago
Science will never 'get' to Absolute Reality because Reality is experienced, not explained. The same goes for philosophy. Religious teachings don't 'explain' Reality, they 'point' to it.
zencat 3 years ago
Great video, I too am Buddhist and find any parallels between Buddhist teachings and quantum physics and science especially neurology and psychology... the ego,id, perception and truth. Namaste.
candi2059 3 years ago
Very Good Speaker you are..
tel me, how come you know so much abt buddhism?
anyway its true that science and Buddhism goes without contradict with each other so far..
peace..
dilhappy 3 years ago
Hey thanks for your comment! A lot of reading and going to a lot of teachings. Yes they seem to parallel very nicely! :)
GeraldP1983 3 years ago
In ancient religions the sun used to be worshipped and that it was personal to us. I can understand how people could worship the sun because it brings warmth, skin protection and LIGHT! Now spirituality focuses on Light. In Hellenism, there are two sun gods, Helios who is just the sun and Apollo, who is also the god of prophecy, enlightenment, poetry etc. It shows that Light has a meaning of intelligence to us, is this true? Sun is a nuclear fusion but is there more since it gives light?
chsbcg 3 years ago
I think when people start speculating about emptiness is when people like Deimos begin to collect their ammunition. The Buddha said, "things are not as they seem, nor are they otherwise." He is basically just saying there is more than meets the eye. Emptiness itself refers to the fact that nothing has inherent existence; everything is ephemeral and in flux, temporarily existing in temporary states. However, what is aware is not made up of anything at all and this is what emptiness means.
PunchinTheMunchkin 3 years ago
If you want to know more about Buddhism, try these two-Shurangama Sutra, Lankavatara Sutra.
nirvana3600 3 years ago
I think your interpretation of emptiness relies too heavily on the mind, rather than the lack of inherent existence within the object itself.
jmlee369 3 years ago
Can you expand on this? Thanks for your thoughts! :D
GeraldP1983 3 years ago
you should change it to where science and buddhist philosophy meets. I don't believe in some aspects of buddhism such as the absense of a creator, but the world is like a matrix,just an illusion and our real selves are somewhere where the creator can observe.Buddha is just a philospher
dakidz 3 years ago
I'd say that Buddha was the quantum physicist of intuitive knowledge/understanding. :D
GeraldP1983 3 years ago
The Buddhist doctrine doesn't claim the absense of gods or the creator, it just does not place focus on them. The focus is to develope a transcendent consiousness.
marbs0204 3 years ago
Yes agreed! :D
GeraldP1983 3 years ago
Mu!
faghammer 3 years ago
you've taken on a really tough subject.good effort and appreciate your talents.
mickalene 3 years ago
thanks for watching! :D
GeraldP1983 3 years ago
I don't think Buddhist philosophy has anything to do with science. The "mind creates reality" idea is meant more so to say that a persons state of mind becomes their personal reality... not that the mind actually manifests atoms and phyiscal reality. Also, the idea that "reality is an illusion" makes science irrelevant. If reality is an illusion, then it doesn't matter what science says an atom is bc a Buddhist would say that physical things are just part of the dream.
fnog9 3 years ago
From what I understand of emptiness it is the idea that reality is the product of mind. Not just perspective changing your reality. Thanks for your thoughts on this ! :D
GeraldP1983 3 years ago
I suppose words don't really matter, and maybe when I see the words "mind" and "emptiness" from you they mean different things. The truth matters, words don't really have any truth.
But anyway, my understanding was that mind is the illusion that Buddhists are trying to see through, and so mind has nothing to do with reality. Reality is when a person no longer sees a false sense of self identified with their mind.
fnog9 3 years ago
cause you say in your vid, "emtiness is the way things really are, not the way they appear". So they way things appear is that matter is spaced out far, and things have a mirage like quality. but as you say it doesn't really matter what things appear.
In a dream, it doesn't really matter what things appear to look like, bc it's not reality. So to study the physics flying within within a dream is an interesting study, but truth of existence can never be found by studying in the dream itself.
fnog9 3 years ago
Brilliant misrepresentation of laymen science. Not since the cult figure of Harun Yahya has there been such a gross semantic disfigurement of the beautiful processes of scientific inquiry.
DeimosSaturn 3 years ago
Fair enough, I don't mind a respectful disagreement! :) Thanks for your thoughts!
GeraldP1983 3 years ago
My thoughts are you are making factual errors and spreading disinformation to further your absurd cult beliefs. :)
DeimosSaturn 3 years ago
cult? hardly, just a perspective, not trying to impose it on anyone just sharing! :D
GeraldP1983 3 years ago
Stop living in your stupid materialist faith, materialism is dead! Everything is made of waves!
chsbcg 3 years ago
"Everything is made of waves" yes it seems this is true! thanks so much for your thoughts!
GeraldP1983 3 years ago
Waves aren't material? Since when?
DeimosSaturn 3 years ago
Waves are the opposite of particles
chsbcg 3 years ago
But they are still material...lol, you are hopeless!
DeimosSaturn 3 years ago
No they are not! They are beyond the material, matter is made of particles which are made of waves. You are hopeless yourself
chsbcg 3 years ago
Oh chsbcg...tisk tisk. You cannot simply assert that something that is material (can be empirically observed, detected, or measured) is not material and offer the justification "they are beyond the material". That is silliness to the highest degree.
DeimosSaturn 3 years ago
Logic is not material neither is freewill.
chsbcg 3 years ago
I looked at your Myspace profile and you contradicted yourself. You said "I am free", you idiot, you denied freedom and said everything is materially determined. Matter has no freedom whereas humans do.
chsbcg 3 years ago
I am free. I to understand valid theories supported by evidence as opposed to clinging to the worship of ghosts validated only by appeals to emotion or sentimentality. Your cults have got you hook, line, and sinker. Compared to you, I'm the free-est man alive.
DeimosSaturn 3 years ago
Yeah we are free to think for ourselves, and our freedom is not the brain nor is it any other physical substance, our freedom is the mind i.e. the soul.
chsbcg 3 years ago
So if you are free to think then we are not determined by matter. You idiot, you contradict yourself. That is why materialism is dead.
chsbcg 3 years ago
LMAO, I'm free not to be enslaved by other humans using their mystical cult dogma. I am free to think objectively about reality. The world is still deterministic, but this fact doesn't change how I think or behave. That is why you lack critical thinking skills. You are intellectually shallow.
DeimosSaturn 3 years ago
Well, you seem quiet Deimos, I think you have realised that you have contredicted yourself when using the word free.
chsbcg 3 years ago
No. I never contradicted myself. Not even on a semantic level. You are a slave with regards to your arbitrary supernatural cult dogma, I am free to examine the world objectively and empirically without this anti-logic baggage you seem to be hopelessly glued to.
DeimosSaturn 3 years ago
You do contradict yourself. You say that freewill does not exist but then you start going on about how you are free. That is contradiction. I come up with anti-logic? What is logic since it is not material? Can anyone find it in my brain? NO! Because it is not material. We are free to do what we want or decide, we are free to think, we are not determined by ridiculous material forces.
chsbcg 3 years ago
freewill is not the definition of freedom, you imbecile. Thusly, it's not a contradiction. YOu are trying, desperately and with great futility, to conflate Freedom from dogma (objectivity, skepticism, empiricism) to Freedom from determinism (non-random true choice unaffected by causality). "Ridiculous material forces"...oh, like gravity? If it's so ridiculous, do me a favor and jump off a tall building.
DeimosSaturn 3 years ago
Freedom from determinism meaning we can make choices, we can change our behaviour, we can change our thoughts, we can decide what is right or wrong. None of those are material!
chsbcg 3 years ago
chsbcg, prove that there is such a thing as right and wrong.
Oh boy, I can tell you are extremely inept with regards to philosophy. I suggest you read some books on physics, chemistry, and philosophy before you embarrass yourself any further.
DeimosSaturn 3 years ago
I am not embarassing myself, you are. You are just getting stupider and stupider. So you deny right and wrong, therefore, you believe it does not matter to kill masses of innocent people? You think it is alright to rape children? What makes something wrong is how it causes pain to one another. Oh yes, what is pain? That is something physics cannot answer, because what is pain? It is not nothing, it is something that cannot be found in this world.
chsbcg 3 years ago
freewill is not the definition of freedom, you imbecile. Thusly, it's not a contradiction. YOu are trying, desperately and with great futility, to conflate Freedom from dogma (objectivity, skepticism, empiricism) to Freedom from determinism (non-random true choice unaffected by causality). "Ridiculous material forces"...oh, like gravity? If it's so ridiculous, do me a favor and jump off a tall building.
DeimosSaturn 3 years ago
"Freedom from dogma (objectivity, skepticism, empiricism) to Freedom from determinism (non-random true choice unaffected by causality)."
Both are the same because they are freedom of the self, they are determined by the choices one makes, which you ridiculously deny. I don't hate to think but you pervert thoughts as material. So can you find an image or an idea in my head? And you say you have read Nietzsche since you do not realise that Nietzsche was in favour of Traditionalism.
chsbcg 3 years ago
Well, you seem quiet...AGAIN! You just cannot accept the fact that your precious stupid belief called materialism is dead! Oh dear, what a tragedy!
chsbcg 3 years ago
I'd hate to think you are comparing the buddhist doctrine to some cult like scientology.
marbs0204 3 years ago
Can you explain what you mean please? :)
GeraldP1983 3 years ago
That was directed towards Deimos. To me, it appeared he was implying that Buddhism is some sort of a cult.
marbs0204 3 years ago
oh ok :D
GeraldP1983 3 years ago
What I'm saying is that in your description, phenomena are empty of inherent existence due to the fact that they must be perceived by a observer, i.e. the mind to "exist". However, it should be argued that the object itself lacks inherent existence, regardless of whether or not there is someone observing it. For example, the koan asking what a sound of a falling tree is if there is no one to hear it would be rather one sided as the sound lacks inherent existence even if it isn't heard.
jmlee369 3 years ago
Yeah, I see what your saying. If I understand you correctly then I completely agree! :)
GeraldP1983 3 years ago
That's why it doesn't matter what my argument is. You hate to think.
DeimosSaturn 3 years ago
That's why it doesn't matter how my definition of "cult" applies to buddhism...because you "hate to think".
DeimosSaturn 3 years ago
I do not hate to think at all. You are such an idiot, perhaps you need to study metaphysics and philosophy of mind.
chsbcg 3 years ago