Natural Law and Life

[kirkheiner]

Great video. Well spoken.

[ryan84160]

I think Jeremy Bentham said it best when he said that natural law is nonsense upon stilts. The fact is we don't all agree that killing is wrong.

[superbm77]

Great video...it's amazing that all of these answers are right in front of us. I am a NL proponent and am learning about the deception that many people are in. One of the areas that is killing more americans is this true for u may not be true for me. Well laws have no care 4 what u like or not and we have epidemics in the std, degenerative disease and etc. from ignoring natural law with this "feel law" stuff. Thanks for the great job.

[jackrabitcafe]

these guys lost the war on evolution, prohibition, prayer in school, the porn wars, gays in the military, birth control, and abortion .and they are soon going to lose gay marriage. what have they won??? well their influence forced the russians out of afghanistan and look what that got us. now a new slant on natural law???? good luck. what clowns!!!!! LOL

[jackrabitcafe]

this guy should find something better to do with the little time he has on earth. argue anyway you want abortion will always be legal and available to women who chose to have one. one thing for sure is that this guy will never personally have to chose to terminate his pregancy . these christians will not let this go even though it is a lost cause. 

[arzeisel14]

@jackrabitcafe

how about all the states that have recently banned public funding for abortion, therefore effectively banning abortion?

Pro-lifers fundamentally are both pro-woman and pro-unborn human. There is almost no reason why both lives can't be respected.

[jackrabitcafe]

@arzeisel14lets see how simple i can make this for you. just because a state bans public funding does not mean that abortion is banned. it means that a poor woman will have to find another way to fund her abortion. i will gladly donate to a poor womans abortion fund and i am not the only one. women of means will always get their abortions, legal or illegal. you can't be pro-woman and pro-unborn human. choose the fetus and you are anti-woman. that is why you have lost this cause.

[arzeisel14]

@jackrabitcafe

so are you saying that women and their offspring are fundamentally opposed to each other? That is odd? What happens to families?

Go ahead and support abortions through your own funds. I don't want my tax dollars going to something that I think is a moral evil.

If you look at my comment I mentioned that defunding abortion is not the repeal of abortion but makes them much more difficult to get.

[jackrabitcafe]

@arzeisel14 where do you get women and offspring and families here??? a woman wants to terminate her pregnancy. she does not have to give you a reason. in fact it is none of your business. she gets an abortion. i have had 4 abortions. and i am proud of it.

[arzeisel14]

@jackrabitcafe

If you would like to take this conversation private I am more than happy to do that. You know how to reach me via my youtube account.

I will end here with this question, why are you proud of killing four of your own children?

[jackrabitcafe]

@arzeisel14 a fetus is not a child.

[arzeisel14]

@jackrabitcafe

alright, child, fetus, not important, he/she is a human being

[ryan84160]

@arzeisel14 A more important question would be,not is it a human being,but is it a person?

[Cyrilshark]

@jackrabitcafe

"You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it." (Mt. 16: 13-20)

I know, for a fact, that abortion will not always be legal, as you say. Abortions are the work of the devil, and he will not win. We will not let it go because we stand up for what we believe. It is not a lost cause. The pro-life movement is only getting bigger, more and more teens are flooding in to defend life, as I do. God bless!

[jackrabitcafe]

@Cyrilshark you guys just don't get it do you??. how arrogant are you??? this is not a popularity contest.  women have been having abortions before you guys invented the devil. as the population increases abortion will become the number one means for birth control. just wait and see.

[firemalone92]

we kill animals to eat them. other animals kill other animals. what if killing is our nature? how can we prove that it is wrong? why can the 'leaders' or 'lawmakers' say killing is wrong, when they kill... (death penalty and wars and genocide and animals) why is it that their opinion* is top priority? they can kill and dont get punished.. if we kill then we get punished... WEIRD STUFF man.. we see them killing... but we are told it is wrong. what do you think?

[arzeisel14]

@firemalone92

an individuals action doesn't remove the truth or validness of a the natural law.

[Kirkdurbin]

like property and because it is the mother's child, it is okay for her to kill it, but because it was not the wreckless driver's child, then it is murder/wrongful death

[Kirkdurbin]

The difference here is this:

If a mother is going to abort her unborn child, it is her choice and desire to murder that child.

If a person is to murder a pregnant lady or accidentally kills a pregnant woman in a vehicle accident, the lady did not choose to get rid of the child, therefore killing two lives

(i am not for abortion unless it is medically necessary under certain circumstances, ie. the mother dying, trisomy 18, etc.)

I still feel this is wrong because the baby is being treated

[ranmore30]

I was expecting some bias christian propaganda but this video was really balanced and interesting

[covellz]

I got absolutely destroyed (with comments) the other day when I gave my opinion on Natural Law. But this is a good look Randall.

Thanks for this, it was encouraging.

However, you point out how people who take offense to Natural Laws don't make a distinction between LAW and Natural Law. They are totally different yet hard to separate in our minds morally.

[NamelessCommenter]

"Natural Law in the sense of ideologists or idolators seems quite distinct from Natural Law in the sense of the physical sciences. Even when some Natural Law theorists, like George H. Smith, admit the vast gulf between scientific (instrumental) generalizations and their alleged Natural Laws or taboos, they still habitually use language and metaphor that blurs this distinction and creates a semantic atmosphere in which they seem to be discussing law in the scientific sense." --R.A. Wilson

[NamelessCommenter]

"All I can say is that, for a slow learner like me, the question of gods and other metaphysical entities including 'Natural Law' remains still open at present even if some devoutly insist that it is closed; and that arguments like 'Shut up' and 'I'll prove it later' only add to my doubts and suspicions." --R.A. Wilson ("Natural Law")

[iamundergrace]

i use this argument all the time.

[iToyRobot]

just shows how screwed up the law is.. God Help Us..

[velocityeleven]

but anything that's "unjustified" is wrong purely definition

unjustified killing is wrong

unjustified eating is wrong

unjustified driving is wrong

and so on

[RighteousPaladin]

unjustified raping is wrong

unjustified farting is wrong

The English language oversimplifies certain things. We use the same word "kill" for what we do to a pesky insect or a weed as we do for a fellow human being; thus it is occasionally a necessity to differentiate between whether something is justified or not.

Consider the word "judge." If someone says not to judge, does that mean that you become completely insensible in judging the distance from your couch to your toilet?

[havock89]

I agree with you, and would go futher. The term judge is more properly used for the process of determining degree of punishment, not determining the right or wrong of a given situation. In the legal system (which is based on the judeo-christian concept of justice and morality) the everyman (jury of peers) has the capacity and the duty to determine guilt or innocence.

[pantstelly93]

why are you even using the word unjustified?

natural law doesn't allow it no matter what so it doesn't need to be there

[RighteousPaladin]

Your rhetorical question and following comment essentially creates the false dilemma that natural law (including natural moral law) cannot be fulfilled in other ways; i.e., a human cannot fly without some kind of device as justification for gravity. Unjustified and unaided said human would fall from any height attained. Since natural law is currently immutable by humans, that which is unjustified must and will be rectified. All equations, whether physical or moral, will be balanced.

[pantstelly93]

yeh but its still redundant to say "unjustified murder" in the context of natural law because it can never be justified as it prevents the final cause of human life from ever occuring

thats like natural law in its most basic form