@arkides I like this voice too, I'm glad I got to experience it at least once before Wrath, unfortunately the two-voiced Lich King went against the lore that Arthas killed off both his good side and Nerzhul during the dreaming.
@DrydicGuy No, i'm really glad they changed the voice. I liked Arthas' voice PLAINLY, not with the darth vader helmet on. But they needed to make it sound like he fused with someone else, not have his voice going into a deeper talking carl.
Wotlk voice was chilling to the spine, and was perfect for him.
As all old stuff in WoW...this Lich King's voice fits him and Arthas way better then the new one.Anyway I can clearly hear Arthas voice same as with Ner'Zul's from 0:30 to 0:46. :-)
Having in account the info presented in the Arthas novel, this dual-personality kind voice the Lich King had on Old Naxx was likely because back then the different personalities of Arthas and Nerzhul were still fighting to see which one would become the dominant personality.
@OCSmoke8 I don't know.. this voice is a little more subtle then that overblown lung cancer voice.. reminds me of Batman's voice in The Dark Knight, totally unnecessary..
@keyboardfriend It pretty much was right above it. It floated around the northern era of the Eastern Plaguelands, hovering above Stratholme at some times.
This compared to the lich kings voice now doesn't have shit on him. The now Lich King's voice is way more menacing. This takes on a higher pitched voice and just doesnt work...
Interesting story behind the voices here, we had Michael Mcconnohie voice Uther and Kel'Thuzad in WC3. He reprised Kel'Thuzad in pre-BC Naxx. But when Justin Gross turned the role of Arthas down for Wrath, they made Michael Mcconnohie the voice of the LK! So in order to avoid confusion (yeah, that really worked) they changed Kel'Thuzad's voice in Wrath! So Michael Mcconnohie has voiced Arthas, Uther, AND Kel'Thuzad. Gawd!
But if you listen to the old boss voices from vanilla, this is basically what they ALL sounded like. It's like they had one filter they ran every boss voice through, their "evil boss" filter if you will, and that was it. It really makes it feel less than epic in context.
well thing is why its mainly the LK now is because he has taken over about 99% of arthas. whereas back then there was still most or arthas's mind left
The best part about THIS voice is that it sounds like Ner'zhul and Arthas combined into one.
The new voice seems like they just became a brand new being altogether, so to be basic, if you think LK is two people in a body, you may like this voice better. If you think he is a brand new creature you would like his new voice.
It only rumors but it sure would explain why they didn't use his voice from Warcraft 3. I just heard people saying on a few forums that the voice actor for Arthas in Warcraft 3 died in a car accident :p
@Happypeanuthourtime Justin Gross (Arthas' voice from WC3) turned down the role at the advice of his agent. The agent apparently said Bilzzard was offering Gross embarassingly little money.
Blizzard tried too have the same voice actor who did arthas' voice in WC3 to do his voice in WoTLK but he declined because he said they offered a embarrassing low amount amount of money.
Alright I hate the Arthas beating Ner'zhul plot thread as much as most people here - maybe even more, since I've ranted about it on numerous sites - but let's get something clear.
Christie Golden isn't "some old woman". She's the person who practically (not literally, since LoC was supposed to be a game) created the Thrall story. So she does deserve -some- respect.
Having said that, I think this was a bad, bad move. But I doubt she came up with that idea without Blizz's permission...
I'm pretty sure it wasn't single-handedly her idea with given permission from Blizzard. From what I can tell, the authors converse a LOT with Chris Metzen and Evelyn Fredericksen, all of them together coming up with the actual plot and structure. Then they leave it up to the author to imagine these plot events and create a narrative and write the story about it.
@Feoremar But in WoW itself the story was different! We had Ner'zul winning out over Arthas, and the last shred of Arthas' humanity keeping the scourge from wiping out all living things anyway. Like.....I just don't think they handled it very well in the end from a lore standpoint. It's like they didn't know what to do with him.
@CloudcoleVII I don't think Arthas' humanity had anything to do with it. The Lich King kept them in control. They were kept them incheck by his leadership, his direction, his control. The reason they would rampage across Azeroth is because there's nothing to control them, nothing to direct them, and so they would go every which way.
@CloudcoleVII Perhaps his humanity distracted the Lich King for a while, like that sleep period and the heart, but as we see in the final encounter, and throughout WC3, he's always been devious and plotting, directing even his enemies to their downfall. Only problem with the final encounter is that Tirion gathered the strength to shatter Frostmourne, the only possible way to defeat him. Apart form that, he'd have no trouble rampaging across Azeroth with its strongest warriors as his lieutenants.
@Feoremar Q. Will Ner'zhul appear at any point in 3.3 or the near future?
A. Well, he is a chunk of the Lich King now. But if you mean will he appear as an orc, we're not ready to tell his story just yet. We have a lot of stories left to tell, but his is a good one.
^ this is from the wow developers chat on twitter well AFTER that book got released. Ner'zhul is not dead nor is he consumed, he is still alive.
@RepublicanNatio It doesn't mean the book has been retconned and what occured never did. The boy manifistation was also "consummed", but he still exists. The actions were more symbolic than anything. He didn't necessarily KILL Ner'zhul, he just kicked him out of the way and took charge, as he did with the boy manifistation. This still allows the book to be canon and Ner'zhul alive and a capable future antagonist again.
@Feoremar 2. Before Wrath was released, some devs mentioned how the Lich King would taunt you and "guide" you, just like how Ner'zhul guided Arthas into slavery and then merger. Growing weary of Arthas, Ner'zhul would have planned to take control of another, mroe powerful and less emo-whiny person. The first part of the plan would be to force Tirion out of hiding (Death knight starting zone). Second step would be to provoke an invasion on Nothrend, bringing Horde, Alliance, and Tirion to him.
@Feoremar 3. Next up would be to lure Tirion and his greatest soldiers to his very footsteps, killing them all and gaining the world's greatest lieutenants. However, that is as much as the Arthas part knew. Ner'zhul, on the other hand, perhaps influenced Arthas in subtle ways to make him do all these things, and when the time came, set off a coup, pretend to be Terenas, kick Arthas out, convince Tirion that he would need to sacrifice himself, and then become an even more powerfull Lich King.
@Feoremar Sorry to ruin your theory, but Ner'Zhul's soul is destroyed in the book Arthas, Rise of the Lich King.(In that time he is still freezing his ass).However, maybe Yogg'Saron had something to do with this? Maybe it was Yogg'Saron's plan?Zombies don't have their own will.If he would control the Lich King, he would be able to control an army wich could prepare Azeroth 4 the invasion of the Burning legion, and after all, the Legion is controlled by Sargeras who is controlled by the Old Gods.
@keyboardfriend Can you be entirely certain? Was not Matias stabbed first at the end of the novel, then Ner'zhul? Does Matias Lehner not roam around Icecrown afterwards?
@Feoremar Yeah, he does, but there were 3 voices inside his head, he banished Matthias and destroyed Ner'Zhul. That is why Matthias is still roaming around Icecrown.
@keyboardfriend Sorry to ruin your theory ruining someone elses theory but first of all Sargeras _IS NOT_ controlled by the Old Gods. He was turned insane by demons and the power of them while watching over the imprizoned demons the titans had removed from worlds they created.
Secondly, an Old God could not control the lich king, for he was created by Kil´Jaeden.Later the LK gained power to resist KJ and became a threat.
@pippuripete00 i agree that he isnt being controlled by the old gods. seeing as were'nt yogg-saron and c'thun old gods? i highly doubt they could control someone as powerful as sargeras.
The book isn't canon for that very aspect. Blizzard has never officially confirmed Ner'zhul to be destroyed, and to this very day they will still insist they're a fused being.
If Arthas really was the dominant Lich King, wouldn't in his last breaths, he be more hateful and angry at his defeat, and having his power and crown taken from him? That's what I say to contradict that accursed book.
@OmegaCalibur Books comissioned by Blizzard ARE very much canon. There is a lot of work done between the author and the lore designers (Metzen and friends) about the story, the characters, the plot and future. They don't just show up to the author door and ask "Write a novel about Arthas plz" and then let it be.
@OmegaCalibur at the latest blizzcon somebody asked what would happen to Ner'zhul, he answered that Ner'zhul was done, so we wont be hearing/seeing him again.
Chris Metzen said that? Hm.. well I wouldn't doubt the man himself. He always manages to ruin the lore he created. But he could have meant that they aren't going to use him anymore, not that he is officially destroyed. In any case, it's irrelovent. I never thought they'd use Ner'zhul again, they'd have to use Bolvar for that to happen, and Bolvar's not going anywhere.
@keyboardfriend mate. believe what you want, from what I understand in wowwiki, through Ner'Zhul the Lich King was created, No Ner'Zhul, No Lich King, its as simple as that!
What makes absolutely no sense though is this piece of shit new faggy ending, because the initial plan was for Ner'Zhul to serve the demons again as the Lich King, so it just makes no sense in the end and I can't explain WTF was happening..
Just bullshit for the teens that ruined an grand ending to Arthas and the LK! >_>
It's nerdy, but I like thinking about and theorizing about Warcraft plot. Makes it all the more interesting and engaging...... although, sometime's it's also dissapointing when you come up with a REALLY good theory for something, only to have it crushed when Blizzard releases new content with a completely different turn in the story. Oh well. It's fun while it lasts.
@Feoremar You ever watch that cinema real close/ Notice how sinister and devious King Teranas (sp) looks when he tells Tirion about the Lich King? I think it was a ploy. I think if Tirion had destroyed the army, the scourge probably woulda all fell dead. I think that was Nerzhul acting as Teranas as a sort of last ditch effort at self preservation. I think he tricked Tirion in the hopes Tirion would put on the helm, but he ended up with Bolvar, which I guess is the next best thing.
@EmperorofCartoons Intriguing. It's entirely possible Ner'zhul was trying to fool Tirion into putting on the helm. I think, however, the idea that teh Scourge would run rampant with a director would still stand. Both ideas don't exclude each other. Ner'zhul would have known this, and used that information to try and sway Tirion into becoming the new Lich King. It would make sense, all things considering.
Imagine what they could have made of it, different tones of voice depending on each character..
What I really didnt like about the new Arthas voice was that it was their last step into making the Lich King into Sauron. I remember with nostalgia Arthas' sarcasm from WC3.
Might as well have put a "Made in Mordor" on that front gate of his.
stupidly because of a book yes. blizz likes it when some old freaking lady makes a book about arthas killing nerzhul maybe if i sent them one of arthas and nerzhul merging... :P
The two voices in one definately suits the character more, but i think someone on here had a point with stating the fact that as time went on the two of them have merged to the point where they are pretty much just one. Either that are Arthas has pretty much faded...
Have to say it's somewhat interesting that as he says the "warriors of the frozen wastes" line it seems the human/Arthas side seems to come out more.
I definatly don't dislike the new one, it's cool at times, but I found this one more unique and creative, especially when one voice says "Warriors of the frozen wastes.." and you can hear the other voice laughing. I just think the lich king is a being too powerful and evil to just sound like a sadistic guy with a cruel, deep voice, and this is something more, just as the lich king is something more.
Yeah, It sounds more like Ner'zhul though, kinda like an Orcish voice and that would make sense since Ner'zhul was a former Orc. I like this one better also, his new one does not sound like arthas or ner'zhul.
there is a huge story behind...Ner'zuhl was an old Shaman from Dreanor (today Outland). Kil'Jaden corrupted him and made him attack Azeroth with his orcs. After he failed he was tortured by Kil'Jaden for countless years. Finally Kil'Jaden gave him another chance, sent him to Northrend on the frozen throne as a spirit in a frozen block and gave him enormous powers over ppls mind. If u played Warcraft III u know Arthas frees Ner'Zuhl from the ice and unites with him, becoming the Lich King.
Actually, the reason he got in to azeroth was sargeras power over the Last guardian, Medivh. In Wacraft 3 he says he opened the way to orcs, but same time the legion, but altough he is possibly just feeling its his fault altough he was controlled by sargeras. I know what you are talking about(except for torture part) I had the game, and i saw that cinematic/cutscene with the whispers in his head and then close to throne only Ner'zhuls one.
Actually like it better. The new one sounds like the standard ''evil guy'' voice, pretty sure i have heard the same voice in Cartoons. :S it's a shame they didnt just build on this voice, like the mix between Arthas and Ner'zul
Sounds like they used to have the original Arthas VA here.
The Ner'Zul/Arthas hybrid voice is far better than the current one indeed. And TBH... keeping him with two voices/personalities would've been more interesting than what they did...
...now he's like what... just Arthas... and just evil.
three voices arthas ner'zhul and i guss yogg saron becuase he found the scourge a a army of death so he got in ner'zhul's head. idk mabey mabey not :/
Arthas has been the Lich King since before WoW.. If you listen closely, you can hear I think 3 voices. The big scary one, a more Arthas sounding one, and a deeper male voice. Assuming the last is Ner'zhul for lols purpose.
cause Michael McConnohie roles. Also makes sense why they changed Kel'Thuzads voice....would be weird with the same guy talking to the 2 characters he voiced at the same time(Old KT and new LK)
this is when he was still turning so he had an over voice of his old voice
SpawnEntertainment 1 month ago
Listen closely, the human voice sounds like Kael'thas
Imaginatived 4 months ago
@Imaginatived OMG UR RIGHT
Scarbgunner 4 months ago
@Imaginatived Hey, it IS Kael'thas!
Razorbutterflye 2 months ago
in the end all will serve the lich king
:trollface:
antikurixana 4 months ago
I liked wotlk lk voice more.
oniskieth 4 months ago
This is what his voice should have been. Ner'zhul and Arthas' voice ontop of one another.
arkides 6 months ago
@arkides I like this voice too, I'm glad I got to experience it at least once before Wrath, unfortunately the two-voiced Lich King went against the lore that Arthas killed off both his good side and Nerzhul during the dreaming.
Defidius 5 months ago
I wonder how they could have made the Lich King as a Vanilla 40 man boss... :P
Would completely screw up lore but.. Lore Schmore...
dannygmzz 6 months ago
Even though this one is shit, its 1000000 times better than the one they used in WotLK. SHOULD HAVE USED THEIR GODDAMN WC3 VOICES ASDARASRASDASDASD
Melodeath00 7 months ago
Did you get to kill him in that raid?
GrandTheftJuggalo313 7 months ago
@GrandTheftJuggalo313 No.
dassefnasse 7 months ago
@GrandTheftJuggalo313 ...no....
mrbigglesworthkitty 6 months ago
@GrandTheftJuggalo313
Nope, not in Vanilla.
Jankkari 6 months ago
he sounds like a nerd in his basement trying to be evil
iUnitedpk 7 months ago
LOLL THIS MAKES ME LAUGH AHA
HAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!
405HPZ06 7 months ago
I like this one, you hear Arthas' and Ner'zhul's voice.
TheMonsterplanetchan 9 months ago
the new one is way more epic.
MightyLichKing 10 months ago
Regular arthas in one of them cheap friggin darth vader helmets. I'm glad they changed the voice.
surrender127 11 months ago
@surrender127 You mean the other way around. The voice Wrath shipped with sucked compared to the WC3 Arthas.
DrydicGuy 10 months ago
@DrydicGuy No, i'm really glad they changed the voice. I liked Arthas' voice PLAINLY, not with the darth vader helmet on. But they needed to make it sound like he fused with someone else, not have his voice going into a deeper talking carl.
Wotlk voice was chilling to the spine, and was perfect for him.
surrender127 10 months ago
so much better than lich kings voice now
malscyllis 11 months ago
The human part in it sounds like a bloodelf
JVHQ 1 year ago
the best is you can hear both arthas and ner'zuls (don't know if thats who you spell it)
voice
SuperFatBull 1 year ago
lol, this sounds exactly like the voice that the humans used in WC1
JiggityJack 1 year ago
@JiggityJack o_Ô
Feoremar 1 year ago
@Feoremar Have u played the original? :) Especially when he says "You're security measures have failed..." sounds *exactly* like it.
JiggityJack 1 year ago
@JiggityJack WC1?
12345zxcvbnmasdfghjk 1 year ago
@JiggityJack O_ô ²
BaDitO2 6 months ago
@BaDitO2 Listen to it lol, you'll agree
JiggityJack 6 months ago
@JiggityJack No, it doesn't.
bonchbonch 6 months ago
@bonchbonch YOu didn't play WC1, did you?
JiggityJack 5 months ago
@JiggityJack Yes, I did.
bonchbonch 5 months ago
@bonchbonch THen your memory is shoddy
JiggityJack 5 months ago
I wish they kep the voice from the first WOTLK teaser.
Jtgagemac 1 year ago
I am your father!!!!!!!!!!
Addylight 1 year ago
Hey! What the hell's wrong with Darth Vader's voice?
PhrostReaper 1 year ago
Itś Nerz´hul´s voice, the lich king.
Sinthi3l 1 year ago
this is so much better than that stupid darth vader voice in Wotlk
this sounds like a fusion of Arthas and Ner'zhul, kinda like in Dragonball Z with Vegito
Ultizer 1 year ago
@plasa3 no it isn't Look if u hear carefully you'll hear arthas voice combinated with Ner'zul voice ( human voice and orc voice , sorry bad english)
Fabianationx123 1 year ago
@plasa3 No, it isn't.
This is: youtube.com/watch?v=9EWsTO2qVH4
Feoremar 1 year ago
As all old stuff in WoW...this Lich King's voice fits him and Arthas way better then the new one.Anyway I can clearly hear Arthas voice same as with Ner'Zul's from 0:30 to 0:46. :-)
ThePaladin35 1 year ago
He sounds...bad lol
youk100 1 year ago
Dunno i just don`t like it the voice.I think taht Woltk voice is far more powerfull..and dreadfull...
Darky931 1 year ago
wierd
ChickenSnikles 1 year ago
Having in account the info presented in the Arthas novel, this dual-personality kind voice the Lich King had on Old Naxx was likely because back then the different personalities of Arthas and Nerzhul were still fighting to see which one would become the dominant personality.
Colimaisnada 1 year ago
Compared to the new one, this sucks imo,
this voice definately doesnt suit the lich king we now see, or even from WC3 ;) just my opinion
OCSmoke8 1 year ago
@OCSmoke8 I don't know.. this voice is a little more subtle then that overblown lung cancer voice.. reminds me of Batman's voice in The Dark Knight, totally unnecessary..
toxicitzi 1 year ago
where was naxxramas before it moved to northrend
thehumor 1 year ago
@thehumor around the area of the DK starting zone.
GloomKilla 1 year ago
@GloomKilla It was above stratholme, or well, not exactly above it, but really close, maybe a bit more to the North.
keyboardfriend 1 year ago
@keyboardfriend It pretty much was right above it. It floated around the northern era of the Eastern Plaguelands, hovering above Stratholme at some times.
Feoremar 1 year ago
@thehumor Eastern Plageulands
Emz092 1 year ago
@thehumor Above stratholme.
keyboardfriend 1 year ago
soooooooooo, the LK was in the game b4 the wotlk??? :D
megvagyimmartizenyol 1 year ago
@megvagyimmartizenyol Ye, he was even in WC3.
Theb0bmeister94 1 year ago
@Theb0bmeister94 i know that he was in wc3, but i didnt know that he was in Wow before wotlk :/
megvagyimmartizenyol 1 year ago
@megvagyimmartizenyol in pre-bc naxx was a 40 man raid
ReploidXForte 1 year ago
@ReploidXForte ok, thx :D
megvagyimmartizenyol 1 year ago
I'm glad they did not stick with this voice.
Melilithia 1 year ago
I don't really like this voice. It lacks the epicness of thousands of souls speaking at the same time of the new LK's voice.
lordfrikk 1 year ago
wow this voice is terrible
steeljosh36 1 year ago
This compared to the lich kings voice now doesn't have shit on him. The now Lich King's voice is way more menacing. This takes on a higher pitched voice and just doesnt work...
Shinjui 1 year ago
Interesting story behind the voices here, we had Michael Mcconnohie voice Uther and Kel'Thuzad in WC3. He reprised Kel'Thuzad in pre-BC Naxx. But when Justin Gross turned the role of Arthas down for Wrath, they made Michael Mcconnohie the voice of the LK! So in order to avoid confusion (yeah, that really worked) they changed Kel'Thuzad's voice in Wrath! So Michael Mcconnohie has voiced Arthas, Uther, AND Kel'Thuzad. Gawd!
CloudcoleVII 1 year ago
i sence some humen in that voice
sora2104 1 year ago
i like this voice more than the wotlk one, this one sounds a bit more like the real arthas
DemonicRogue01 1 year ago
nice
music4meh 1 year ago
But if you listen to the old boss voices from vanilla, this is basically what they ALL sounded like. It's like they had one filter they ran every boss voice through, their "evil boss" filter if you will, and that was it. It really makes it feel less than epic in context.
rawtoast 1 year ago
sounds more like an orc which is better
TheAngryGameKids 1 year ago
wtf...
milos98k 1 year ago
well thing is why its mainly the LK now is because he has taken over about 99% of arthas. whereas back then there was still most or arthas's mind left
jimmybobs87 1 year ago
I actually like this voice better, because he sounds like Arthas still.
wayne62682 1 year ago
The best part about THIS voice is that it sounds like Ner'zhul and Arthas combined into one.
The new voice seems like they just became a brand new being altogether, so to be basic, if you think LK is two people in a body, you may like this voice better. If you think he is a brand new creature you would like his new voice.
fefe268 2 years ago
@fefe268 If you pay attention to the new voice, you can hear arthas and the effects applied to his voice.
senhorkorracha 2 years ago
The confirmed canon is that the Lich King essentially is a new being, if not only Arthas. Ner'Zhul was taking out of the picture while Arthas slept.
AzureKiru 2 years ago
i like more the new voice
Leozerolunaedge 2 years ago
WTH
CyberDuck3 2 years ago
It only rumors but it sure would explain why they didn't use his voice from Warcraft 3. I just heard people saying on a few forums that the voice actor for Arthas in Warcraft 3 died in a car accident :p
Happypeanuthourtime 2 years ago
Not true at all. Blizzard didn't pay him enough, so they got a new voice actor.
NerfRets 2 years ago
Wish they kept Arthas' voice from warcraft III.
XxStrawberryxJellyxX 2 years ago
that wish may take a while. the old voice actor died in a car accident
Happypeanuthourtime 2 years ago
@Happypeanuthourtime RIP
purometalyrap 1 year ago
@Happypeanuthourtime Justin Gross (Arthas' voice from WC3) turned down the role at the advice of his agent. The agent apparently said Bilzzard was offering Gross embarassingly little money.
CloudcoleVII 1 year ago
@XxStrawberryxJellyxX
Blizzard tried too have the same voice actor who did arthas' voice in WC3 to do his voice in WoTLK but he declined because he said they offered a embarrassing low amount amount of money.
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Greed76 2 years ago
They did in wotlk :)
Lm3ntz 2 years ago
Alright I hate the Arthas beating Ner'zhul plot thread as much as most people here - maybe even more, since I've ranted about it on numerous sites - but let's get something clear.
Christie Golden isn't "some old woman". She's the person who practically (not literally, since LoC was supposed to be a game) created the Thrall story. So she does deserve -some- respect.
Having said that, I think this was a bad, bad move. But I doubt she came up with that idea without Blizz's permission...
TriniKnight01 2 years ago
I'm pretty sure it wasn't single-handedly her idea with given permission from Blizzard. From what I can tell, the authors converse a LOT with Chris Metzen and Evelyn Fredericksen, all of them together coming up with the actual plot and structure. Then they leave it up to the author to imagine these plot events and create a narrative and write the story about it.
Feoremar 2 years ago
@Feoremar But in WoW itself the story was different! We had Ner'zul winning out over Arthas, and the last shred of Arthas' humanity keeping the scourge from wiping out all living things anyway. Like.....I just don't think they handled it very well in the end from a lore standpoint. It's like they didn't know what to do with him.
CloudcoleVII 1 year ago
@CloudcoleVII I don't think Arthas' humanity had anything to do with it. The Lich King kept them in control. They were kept them incheck by his leadership, his direction, his control. The reason they would rampage across Azeroth is because there's nothing to control them, nothing to direct them, and so they would go every which way.
Feoremar 1 year ago
@CloudcoleVII Perhaps his humanity distracted the Lich King for a while, like that sleep period and the heart, but as we see in the final encounter, and throughout WC3, he's always been devious and plotting, directing even his enemies to their downfall. Only problem with the final encounter is that Tirion gathered the strength to shatter Frostmourne, the only possible way to defeat him. Apart form that, he'd have no trouble rampaging across Azeroth with its strongest warriors as his lieutenants.
Feoremar 1 year ago
@Feoremar Q. Will Ner'zhul appear at any point in 3.3 or the near future?
A. Well, he is a chunk of the Lich King now. But if you mean will he appear as an orc, we're not ready to tell his story just yet. We have a lot of stories left to tell, but his is a good one.
^ this is from the wow developers chat on twitter well AFTER that book got released. Ner'zhul is not dead nor is he consumed, he is still alive.
RepublicanNatio 1 year ago
@RepublicanNatio It doesn't mean the book has been retconned and what occured never did. The boy manifistation was also "consummed", but he still exists. The actions were more symbolic than anything. He didn't necessarily KILL Ner'zhul, he just kicked him out of the way and took charge, as he did with the boy manifistation. This still allows the book to be canon and Ner'zhul alive and a capable future antagonist again.
Feoremar 1 year ago
@Feoremar 2. Before Wrath was released, some devs mentioned how the Lich King would taunt you and "guide" you, just like how Ner'zhul guided Arthas into slavery and then merger. Growing weary of Arthas, Ner'zhul would have planned to take control of another, mroe powerful and less emo-whiny person. The first part of the plan would be to force Tirion out of hiding (Death knight starting zone). Second step would be to provoke an invasion on Nothrend, bringing Horde, Alliance, and Tirion to him.
Feoremar 1 year ago
@Feoremar 3. Next up would be to lure Tirion and his greatest soldiers to his very footsteps, killing them all and gaining the world's greatest lieutenants. However, that is as much as the Arthas part knew. Ner'zhul, on the other hand, perhaps influenced Arthas in subtle ways to make him do all these things, and when the time came, set off a coup, pretend to be Terenas, kick Arthas out, convince Tirion that he would need to sacrifice himself, and then become an even more powerfull Lich King.
Feoremar 1 year ago
@Feoremar Sorry to ruin your theory, but Ner'Zhul's soul is destroyed in the book Arthas, Rise of the Lich King.(In that time he is still freezing his ass).However, maybe Yogg'Saron had something to do with this? Maybe it was Yogg'Saron's plan?Zombies don't have their own will.If he would control the Lich King, he would be able to control an army wich could prepare Azeroth 4 the invasion of the Burning legion, and after all, the Legion is controlled by Sargeras who is controlled by the Old Gods.
keyboardfriend 1 year ago
@keyboardfriend Can you be entirely certain? Was not Matias stabbed first at the end of the novel, then Ner'zhul? Does Matias Lehner not roam around Icecrown afterwards?
Feoremar 1 year ago
@Feoremar Yeah, he does, but there were 3 voices inside his head, he banished Matthias and destroyed Ner'Zhul. That is why Matthias is still roaming around Icecrown.
keyboardfriend 1 year ago
@keyboardfriend Sorry to ruin your theory ruining someone elses theory but first of all Sargeras _IS NOT_ controlled by the Old Gods. He was turned insane by demons and the power of them while watching over the imprizoned demons the titans had removed from worlds they created.
Secondly, an Old God could not control the lich king, for he was created by Kil´Jaeden.Later the LK gained power to resist KJ and became a threat.
pippuripete00 1 year ago
@pippuripete00 i agree that he isnt being controlled by the old gods. seeing as were'nt yogg-saron and c'thun old gods? i highly doubt they could control someone as powerful as sargeras.
nerdftw1 1 year ago
@keyboardfriend
The book isn't canon for that very aspect. Blizzard has never officially confirmed Ner'zhul to be destroyed, and to this very day they will still insist they're a fused being.
If Arthas really was the dominant Lich King, wouldn't in his last breaths, he be more hateful and angry at his defeat, and having his power and crown taken from him? That's what I say to contradict that accursed book.
OmegaCalibur 1 year ago
@OmegaCalibur Might be that Arthas too was controlled. W/E ever, im quittin the lore fight.
keyboardfriend 1 year ago
@OmegaCalibur Books comissioned by Blizzard ARE very much canon. There is a lot of work done between the author and the lore designers (Metzen and friends) about the story, the characters, the plot and future. They don't just show up to the author door and ask "Write a novel about Arthas plz" and then let it be.
Feoremar 1 year ago
@OmegaCalibur at the latest blizzcon somebody asked what would happen to Ner'zhul, he answered that Ner'zhul was done, so we wont be hearing/seeing him again.
kserwin 1 year ago
@kserwin
Chris Metzen said that? Hm.. well I wouldn't doubt the man himself. He always manages to ruin the lore he created. But he could have meant that they aren't going to use him anymore, not that he is officially destroyed. In any case, it's irrelovent. I never thought they'd use Ner'zhul again, they'd have to use Bolvar for that to happen, and Bolvar's not going anywhere.
OmegaCalibur 1 year ago
@keyboardfriend I JUST FINISHED THAT BOOK
SuperJOSHDuper 1 year ago
@SuperJOSHDuper
W/E
keyboardfriend 1 year ago
@keyboardfriend mate. believe what you want, from what I understand in wowwiki, through Ner'Zhul the Lich King was created, No Ner'Zhul, No Lich King, its as simple as that!
What makes absolutely no sense though is this piece of shit new faggy ending, because the initial plan was for Ner'Zhul to serve the demons again as the Lich King, so it just makes no sense in the end and I can't explain WTF was happening..
Just bullshit for the teens that ruined an grand ending to Arthas and the LK! >_>
toxicitzi 1 year ago
@Feoremar :o Never thought about it that way before. But I must say I kinda like it :D Cool theory.
holaholahoy 1 year ago
@holaholahoy Thanks :)
It's nerdy, but I like thinking about and theorizing about Warcraft plot. Makes it all the more interesting and engaging...... although, sometime's it's also dissapointing when you come up with a REALLY good theory for something, only to have it crushed when Blizzard releases new content with a completely different turn in the story. Oh well. It's fun while it lasts.
Feoremar 1 year ago
@Feoremar You ever watch that cinema real close/ Notice how sinister and devious King Teranas (sp) looks when he tells Tirion about the Lich King? I think it was a ploy. I think if Tirion had destroyed the army, the scourge probably woulda all fell dead. I think that was Nerzhul acting as Teranas as a sort of last ditch effort at self preservation. I think he tricked Tirion in the hopes Tirion would put on the helm, but he ended up with Bolvar, which I guess is the next best thing.
EmperorofCartoons 1 year ago
@EmperorofCartoons Intriguing. It's entirely possible Ner'zhul was trying to fool Tirion into putting on the helm. I think, however, the idea that teh Scourge would run rampant with a director would still stand. Both ideas don't exclude each other. Ner'zhul would have known this, and used that information to try and sway Tirion into becoming the new Lich King. It would make sense, all things considering.
Feoremar 1 year ago
In this voice I can recognize Arthas' real voice when he was a human paladin more.
With his new voice of WOTLK you can't recognize Arthas' voice....
jallyilly 2 years ago
i DO like how it's two voices, but i just don't find it as.... unnerving.
roflbiscuit 2 years ago
I bloody like this one more.
Imagine what they could have made of it, different tones of voice depending on each character..
What I really didnt like about the new Arthas voice was that it was their last step into making the Lich King into Sauron. I remember with nostalgia Arthas' sarcasm from WC3.
Might as well have put a "Made in Mordor" on that front gate of his.
ScilusVacilius 2 years ago
I loved Arthas' sarcasm. It's what made him an actual character to me.
Feoremar 2 years ago
Exactly. Those snide remarks and sarcastic statements simply made the WC3 campaign so colourful when playing as the Scourge.
It was a truly nice shift from oh-so-shiny Human campaign.
ScilusVacilius 2 years ago
I like both, but this one actually makes it look like The Lich King is a fusion of two beings.
gytech 2 years ago
But he's not two beings anymore.
DigitalPh333r 2 years ago
Your right, only the Lich king remains.
gytech 2 years ago
Not like they could do it any other way when the guy who voices Arthas refuses to do it again, because Blizzard's pay was "too lousy".
The voice in this clip proves that he wasnt originally intended to be "Lich King only".
ScilusVacilius 2 years ago
Actually.. Only Arthas does, He consumed the soul of ner'Zhul, but Frostmourn already made him mad before that.
loldig 2 years ago
stupidly because of a book yes. blizz likes it when some old freaking lady makes a book about arthas killing nerzhul maybe if i sent them one of arthas and nerzhul merging... :P
Aminefan700 2 years ago
What is wrong with you.
Feoremar 2 years ago
..wow
rednas3636 2 years ago
I like it more. It has two voices so you think of ner zhul and arthas together
Astroshroom 2 years ago
The two voices in one definately suits the character more, but i think someone on here had a point with stating the fact that as time went on the two of them have merged to the point where they are pretty much just one. Either that are Arthas has pretty much faded...
Have to say it's somewhat interesting that as he says the "warriors of the frozen wastes" line it seems the human/Arthas side seems to come out more.
Hawkes10112 2 years ago
I definatly don't dislike the new one, it's cool at times, but I found this one more unique and creative, especially when one voice says "Warriors of the frozen wastes.." and you can hear the other voice laughing. I just think the lich king is a being too powerful and evil to just sound like a sadistic guy with a cruel, deep voice, and this is something more, just as the lich king is something more.
Frozenwastes19 2 years ago
This actually sounds like arthas....
MSCE5 2 years ago
i love this one as opposed to the new one, it sounds like two voices in one! his evil and his human. :p
rekolektions 2 years ago
Yeah, It sounds more like Ner'zhul though, kinda like an Orcish voice and that would make sense since Ner'zhul was a former Orc. I like this one better also, his new one does not sound like arthas or ner'zhul.
Sunderland4745 2 years ago
he sounds better pre WOLK
zmanx5 2 years ago
:/ i guessed rick astley
SHSZilla 2 years ago
@SHSZilla Sorry to dissapoint.
Feoremar 1 year ago
BAMF. I like this one more.
JacobForThePhail 2 years ago
he sounds better in WOTLK
Najjarboyz3 2 years ago
sounds like Andros from Starfox 64
fanboyismsucks 2 years ago
Wow, it sounds so... different. I was expecting it to sound only a lil' bit different.
Wow. Just Wow.
TheHotpoket 2 years ago
This voice is better then current one since it's more real the new one is way to not arthas.
Jippsx 2 years ago
well atm it would be pointless to have ner'zhuls voice in since he is gone and arthas is in control.
malletin 2 years ago
its a mix of ner'zhul and arthas, just as it should be
StormProductionzZ 2 years ago
Yogg'saron forced Ner'zhul to make scourge a different faction from Burning legion i think
keyboardfriend 2 years ago
*Facepalm*
Feoremar 2 years ago
there is a huge story behind...Ner'zuhl was an old Shaman from Dreanor (today Outland). Kil'Jaden corrupted him and made him attack Azeroth with his orcs. After he failed he was tortured by Kil'Jaden for countless years. Finally Kil'Jaden gave him another chance, sent him to Northrend on the frozen throne as a spirit in a frozen block and gave him enormous powers over ppls mind. If u played Warcraft III u know Arthas frees Ner'Zuhl from the ice and unites with him, becoming the Lich King.
adyboss10 2 years ago
Actually, the reason he got in to azeroth was sargeras power over the Last guardian, Medivh. In Wacraft 3 he says he opened the way to orcs, but same time the legion, but altough he is possibly just feeling its his fault altough he was controlled by sargeras. I know what you are talking about(except for torture part) I had the game, and i saw that cinematic/cutscene with the whispers in his head and then close to throne only Ner'zhuls one.
keyboardfriend 2 years ago
hehe blizzard has a hystory on warcraft, get on theyr site and search and ull se all, i have read all
adyboss10 2 years ago
No...just no.
LightBrand 2 years ago
So..much...better!
BonezTee 2 years ago
Wow... Arthas' voice was... kinda hott :3
♥ ♥ ♥
zafara1222 2 years ago
Actually like it better. The new one sounds like the standard ''evil guy'' voice, pretty sure i have heard the same voice in Cartoons. :S it's a shame they didnt just build on this voice, like the mix between Arthas and Ner'zul
Soulatheunholy 2 years ago
Sounds like kael'thas lol
worldofwarcraft109 2 years ago
Sounds like they used to have the original Arthas VA here.
The Ner'Zul/Arthas hybrid voice is far better than the current one indeed. And TBH... keeping him with two voices/personalities would've been more interesting than what they did...
...now he's like what... just Arthas... and just evil.
CodeXCDM 2 years ago
three voices arthas ner'zhul and i guss yogg saron becuase he found the scourge a a army of death so he got in ner'zhul's head. idk mabey mabey not :/
dillonames63 2 years ago
I like this. Split personality. He sounds more insane than outright evil, which is just how I like my maddened, corrupted, genocidal maniacs.
gzoork 2 years ago
Arthas has been the Lich King since before WoW.. If you listen closely, you can hear I think 3 voices. The big scary one, a more Arthas sounding one, and a deeper male voice. Assuming the last is Ner'zhul for lols purpose.
CaptainNobody 2 years ago
There's only two voices. Ner'zhul and Arthas. Where are you getting a third one?
Feoremar 2 years ago
Ehh. Not as threatening. An echo would have helped immensely I think.
CheeseWheel3 2 years ago
it sounded more like arthas than teh lich king
mebeingamaniac 2 years ago
thank GOD arthas took over n became Lich King lol
wowbringer 2 years ago
Ner'zhul's voice
jackoneilier 2 years ago
he sounds like a bitch here
Nikoli16 2 years ago
no..... this is the real Lich king before arthas the true lich king is a orc so it sounds stupid
stubbz42 2 years ago
Sounds kind of stupid to be honest : \
Switchfoot771 2 years ago
I prefer the new voice, it's creepier and more badass - this one sounds like Ner'Zhul is drowning out Arthas. Doesn't seem so threatening ;)
joshbest9 2 years ago
cause Michael McConnohie roles. Also makes sense why they changed Kel'Thuzads voice....would be weird with the same guy talking to the 2 characters he voiced at the same time(Old KT and new LK)
Masterofvids 2 years ago
But the new Kel'thuzad sounds so baaaaaad.
Mike's Kel'thuzad voice is so iconic, distinct.... they murdered it with a generic villain voice and a bad voice filter... just like Anub'arak. :C
Feoremar 2 years ago
I like both Pre WotLK and WotLK Lich King voices
BrawlerKen987 2 years ago
This is the better Voice then the one in WotLK
it atleast sounds like its Arthas and Nerzhul talking
Blade3314 2 years ago
You hear there are speaking 2 people.
AArthas and Ner'zhul.
SunshineBite 2 years ago
The voices are the same... It just shifts one way or the other, depending on who has control at the moment..
Arthas or Ner'zhul
lavaburrower 2 years ago
I like his new voice better, this one sounds too young
ChaosCntrl 2 years ago
And the new one sounds like hes been on 40 fags a day for 50 years.
miltonluvsno1 2 years ago
no, it sounds evil and heartless (literally, he tore his own frozen heart out and threw it down a hole)
ChaosCntrl 2 years ago
that because the lich king was 30 years old in wotlk in classic wow hes 29
undead4500 2 years ago