@ZERO1344 Does the Right Wing want Government to take over private businesses, change and run the Banks (no more loans to begin business), want Religion out of our lives, or are anti-Jewish and pro-Sharia? I can show you 20 books to his 1 which completely disagree. What the hell do you think NAZI stands for: "in German-Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei", translated: "National Socialist German Workers Party". The leftist Kershaw is wrong! Hitler defined the One World Government, His!
@GT90ford You fucking ignorant right wing piece of shit, you wouldn't know the truth if the youngistrian77 bookslapped your ass into the next century. Oh, they were called the national socialists. And I suppose North Korea is a democratic republic because its in their title? Dear god I wish people like you would off themselves so the rest of us could live in peace. Kershaw is an accredited historian and you're an anti-intellectual right wing know-nothing. Take a fucking walk!
@DaHonestAbe Live in peace, impossible with people like yourself running free, you are a danger to society, a danger to all. If you wish to have a battle of wits, your are half way there... Perhaps one day you will sett the real truth. As it is now, you will never know what you are talking about, anyone as ignorant as you, I would just take my own life, for you, a good start. You are incapable of having a conversing on an intellectual basis, don't tell your boyfriend, he might cry.
@DaHonestAbe I WILL tell my female wife we are all Conservatives (the Party of Lincoln), so no need to worry about losing your MAN, least of all...Me! Your insults only make you look uneducated. It is the Left who agrees with the Fabian Society. Their belief was "The Fabians believed that capitalism had created an unjust and inefficient society. (Source: The Lib Site: "Spartacus Educational") Obama ruined a great country, tks to the 'Pied Pipers' such as yourselves, followers, never leaders.
@GT90ford Awwww, someone doesn't know what the Southern Strategy is. Well hey, I never accused the right of being historically accurate.
"Obama ruined a great country"
Oh he did indeed. And you can thank conservative "thinkers" like yourself for aiding in making that possible. Without ginormous fuck-ups like mainstream conservatives paving the way, Obama wouldn't even exist. I for one didn't vote for him. Ah right wingers are too damned entertaining.
@DaHonestAbe No more emails from you... HA!! Just like everything else you have said is a lie, right? As for Adolf, he would be proud of Obama. Isn't everyone "for" separation of Church and State, now Obama is breaking the Constitution once again, forcing Christians & Jewish institutions, to MAKE them pay for abortion and abortion medications. Isn't is odd that the Muslims are exempt? I isn't that I am not a people person, I'm just not a stupid people person.
@DaHonestAbe BTW, I have blocked you, I will receive no more emails from such a foul mouthed ass, especially one who have no common sense and could not get trough the 5th grade. You could join Mensa, then I may speak with you again. Your complete total lack of intelligence is astounding, bet your mom is proud of you (NOT)...HA HA!!! Was going to say, see ya around, but I suppose since I have blocked you, I serously doubt that will happen again, let me know when you grow a pair.
@GT90ford Kershaw is an acclaimed and accredited historian. And you're a right wing know-nothing. Take a hike, no one with even a modicum of knowledge would take your ignorant ramblings seriously.
I'd advise just ignoring him. All his points have already been dealt with in the comment streams (1/5) (2/5) as you know. All i have to say about him really is he seems far too much of a coward to adress me direct, instead he sticks it in the general comments section (and posts it to the wrong guy) perhaps in the vain hopes i dont notice. What a laugh!
What i find funny is beck is deliberately trying to link the ideas of "National Socialism or Hitlerism" and "Communism" when they were DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED. The reason for this opposition has little to do with social policies, and more to do with race. The germans didn't massacre their own people indiscriminately. They did it intelligently. The russians however, didn't care. In the early days, the Nazi's and the Commies fought bloody battles in the streets of germany before ever takin power
@ZERO1344 Actually i didn't say socialism and communism are diametrically opposite. I said HITLER's National Socialism and the idea of Communism ARE. Go read some history and find out how they had massacres in the streets of germany when the NSDAP was still just a small party. The communists worst enemy is the Nazi's. Do not confuse National Socialism, and simple socialism. When your socialism is directly coupled with a strong nationalism, it runs completely opposite. Communism=Internationalism.
@Tluccodis741 While they may not be the same thing 100%, they're not even close to diametrically opposite. Capitalism is the diametric oppoiste of socialism.
Hitler stood for universal healthcare, government control of education and rationing. Sound a bit like communism?
@ZERO1344 Yes. You're right. And workers in germany recieved 2 weeks paid vacation a year under hitler. 40 hour work weeks were instituted where none had been. And within 2 years of being elected chancellor, he had reduced the unemployment rate from over 30% to under 2 %. Usury and interest profit was eradicated. A debt-free money system was instituted as well, breaking the grip of international finance on Germany. In his book he says that communism is the greatest threat to Germany's freedom.
@Tluccodis741 Except that what he was doing was Communism. Communism, as defined by Karl Marx (the guy who created communism) was no profit motive and a common (government) ownership of businesses.
@ZERO1344 Erm, no because National Socialism has core tenets that are contrary to communism, such as the fact that it acknowledges spirituality as a driving force behind humanity, it's focus on ethnic nationalism, it's focus on strong hierarchies and it's anti-democratic tendencies. Egalitarianism is a core tenant of Marxism, however the National Socialists advocated not only racial superiority, but also spiritual, social and political supremacy. By the way, Marxism did not invent communism.
@theyounghistorian77 THERE WAS RATIONING AND UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE!!!! THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING YOU MOUTH PIECE FOR SOME NEOPSEUDOINTELLECTUAL GROUP!!!!
Haha and what's this? Yea of course you like to boast that you're an uneducated fool. Of course you can't care what real world academics say, Of course you idiot Beck-heads like dismissing real knowledge as 'liberal', and just like Beck you like making up ridiculous connections that don't really exist. Of course you have to distort reality because reality doesn't support you for as Colbert say's; "reality has a well known liberal bias"
"Whatever level of state intervention, it could be argued quite forcefully that belief in private property was CENTRAL to fascist ideology, as [Roger] Eatwell states: the sympathetic reference to socialism did not mean that fascists accepted the abolition of private property. This was seen as a law of nature.” - “The Routledge Companion to Fascism and the Far Right" p141
"Fascist revolutions sought to change the nature of relationships between the individual and the collectivity WITHOUT destroying the impetus of economic activity - The profit motive or its foundation - private property or its necessary framework - the market economy. this was one aspect of the novelty of fascism; the fascist revolution was supported by an economy determined by the laws of the market." - Prof Zeev Sternhell, "The Birth of Fascist Ideology", p7
"Yet the equality of status so loudly and insistently proclaimed by the Nazis did not imply equality of social position, income or wealth. The Nazis did not radically revise the taxation system so as to even up people's net incomes, for example, or control the economy in the manner that was done in the Soviet Union, or later on in the German Democratic republic, so as to minimize the differences between rich and poor.
Rich and poor remained in the Third Reich, as much as they ever had. In the end, the aristocracy's power over the land remained undisturbed, and younger nobles even found a new leadership role in the SS, Germany's future political elite.
Peasant families that had run their village community for decades or even centuries managed for the most part to retain their position by reaching a limited accommodation with the new regime. Businessmen, big and small, continued to run their business for the usual capitalist profit motive." - Evans, "The Third Reich in Power" p500
Bullshit!!! Lets make an example and debunk 2 of your points here. Govt run Healthcare in Germany had existed since 1883. It is the oldest govt run Healthcare system in the World. Who introduced it? Otto Von Bismarck. Was he Conservative? Yes he was
Maybe you're talking about the 1941 legislation, which was passed that allowed workers whose incomes had risen above the income ceiling for compulsory membership to continue their insurance on a voluntary basis? The same year, coverage was extended to all retired Germans.
But even so, Jews, Slavs, Communists and other "Undesirables" were not covered by healthcare in Nazi Germany (So it can hardly be called Universal) and the legislation programmes enacted by the Nazis count as reform. I think it’s safe to say Obama Care is more tolerant than Nazi Care. I think it’s also safe to say that Angela Merkel knows that as much as i do
But anyway, let us have a look as to what Hitler thought about Bismarck’s Social legislation.
"I studied Bismarck's Socialist legislation in its intention struggle, and success. Gradually I obtained a positively granite foundation for my own conviction, so that since that time I have never been forced to undertake a shift in my own inner view on this question. Likewise the relation of Marxism to the Jews was submitted to further thorough examination" - Mein Kampf, Vol 1, Ch4.
If the conservative Bismarck can be counted as a de-facto socialist simply because he enacted "Socialist legislation" too Black must therfore be white. Also, Churchill was for expanding Healthcare. Does this make him a left winger? NO. All three British political parties had NHS proposals in their 1945 manifestoes. The Conservatives actually had the longest section in their manifesto, pledging
"The health services of the country will be made available to all citizens. Everyone will contribute to the cost, and no one will be denied the attention, the treatment or the appliances he requires because he cannot afford them. We propose to create a comprehensive health service covering the whole range of medical treatment from the general practitioner to the specialist, and from the hospital to convalescence and rehabilitation"
The point is that a Conservative post-war government under Churchill was fully signed up to introducing an NHS (even if they disagreed with labour's NHS) . A Liberal post-war government under Sinclair was also fully signed up to introducing the NHS. The NHS was, in effect an inescapable conclusion.
The Universial healthcare = socialism idea is built upon a myth – a boil that needs to be lanced. while I'll admit that We’re so used to Labour politicians churning out the line that Labour gave us the NHS, ie when Ian McCartney MP celebrated Labour’s centenary in 2006, he actually shed a tear for the NHS as "Labour’s greatest triumph". But anyone familiar with history will tell you that Goldberg's and McCartney's version of events is a cruel lie
And let's see, Did you know that the Nazis started private elite schools, the so called Order Castles? Probably not. And so what about your silly superficial statement anyway. None of what you say makes the Nazis were socialists or Leftists. ALL modern states educate their children, nearly ALL modern states expanded education in the 20th century. But expanding education is NOT something the Nazis did!
Which is why "despite much rhetoric ... the educational opportunities of the underprivileged in the nazi state were no better than in the Weimar republic. Workers in the late 30's represented 45% of the population but furnished only 3% of the senior student body, exactly the same % as in the pre-nazi period." - James Taylor and Warren Shaw, "Penguin dictionary of the third Reich", p83.
"Increasing numbers of teachers took early retirement or left the profession for other jobs. In 1936, there were 1335 unfilled posts in the elementary schools: by 1938 the number had grown to nearly 3000 while the annual number of graduates from teacher training colleges,
at 2500, was nowhere near adequate to the estimated need of the school system for an additional 8000 teachers a year. The result was that by 1938, class size on average in all schools had increased to 43 pupils per teacher as compared to 37 in 1927," - Richard Evans, "The Third reich in power", p269.
"At every level, formal learning was given decreased emphasis as the hours devoted to physical education and sport in the state schools were increased in 1936 to three a week, and then in 1938 to five and fewer lessons were devoted to academic subjects to make room for indoctrination and preparation in war" - ibid, p289
"The reorganization of German secondary schools ordered in 1937 abolished grammar school education for girls altogether. The only other secondary education available to girls was a language based girls school, where domestic science was also compulsory.
From April 1938, all girls who still managed to graduate with a university entrance examination despite all these obstacles were obliged to have a 'domestic year'; only after this would they be given the school leaving certificate and allowed to proceed to university." - Ibid, p299
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So in your world, Restricting something like Girls education is an expansion of it?
And expanding education isn't a socialist thing either, Churchill, in passing the 1944 "Butler Act" made secondary education free for all pupils. Also, 7000 new schools were built during Harold Macmillan's premiership. So let me guess, you think Churchill was a socialist too huh? LOL
Oh and there's one more thing: Nazi Germany even had a capitalist economy with Private property, Private profits and even privitizations. All serious Historians recognize Hitler and the Nazis to be Right wing Anti-socialists and especialy Anti Marxist/Communists. Period!
"Hitler was never a socialist" - Ian Kershaw, "Hitler" (abridged), p269
WHILE THE AMERICAN SHEEPLE WERE BEING DUMBED DOWN IN SCHOOLS, PROPAGANDIZED BY TELEVISION (ALLLL CONTROLLED BY JEW COMMUNISTS.. RUSSIA ALL OVER AGAIN).. THE 'JEWS' (KHAZARS, "JEW" IS A MADE UP WORD) HAVE BEEN BUSY F*CKING YOU SO BADLY YOU CAN NO LONGER SEE STRAIGHT. ALL YOUR INDUSTRY SHIPPED TO CHINA. TOTALLY ENSLAVED TO THEIR 100% PRIVATE JEWISH RESERVE BANK & STILL READING OFF THE TALMUD TO ENSLAVE THE "GOYIM" (IN FACT ITS THE "JEWS" WHO ARE GENTILE PAGAN, SATANIC TURKS).
Baruch Levy: "In this NEW WORLD ORDER, Israel will furnish ALL leaders without opposition.Governments of the different peoples forming the world republic will FALL INTOTHE HANDS OF THE JEWS. It will then be possible for the JEWISH RULERS to abolish private property everywhere to make use of the resources of earth. Thus the promise of the TALMUD be fulfilled. . . JEWS will have ALL the property of the WHOLE WORLD in their hands" Letter to Karl Marx, 'La Revue de Paris', p.574, June 1, 1928
WHO IS WATCHING THIS PROPAGANDA STILL? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? SHEEPLE ARE STILL WATCHING FOX NEWS? SAD..
FYI LITTLE SHEEPLE.. WHILE THE COMMMUNIST JEWS BRAINWASH YOU WITH THEIR HOLOHOAX.. TRY TAKING 5 MINUTES.. JUST 5.. TO READ ABOUT THE JEWS CREATING COMMUNISM & EXTERMINATING 85 MILLION PEOPLE IN RUSSIA (ALL THE WAY INTO THE 1980's) & 7 MILLION IN UKRAIN & 1 MILLION IN ARMENIA.
NOW IF YOURE TOO STUPID TO WONDER WHY YOU NEVER HEARD ABOUT THESE 93 MILLION DEAD.. WELL.. THATS BRAINWASHING!
"Marxism and Nazism were the same". The fact that this absurd statement actually is given some credence speaks volumes about the inadequacy of the American education system.
Also, you all realize that Shaw's comments about gassing were understood at the time to be satirical a la "A Modest Proposal", right? Literally 10 seconds of googling would clear this up.
Then again, this is Glenn Beck we're talking about. I expect him to make a video about Swift's cruel plans for cannibalism
Beck only draws self-serving and superficial false conclusions from perverted and purposefully misrepresented events. He is no more than the Kent Hovind of historical interpretation. He is a joke, and if he tried to present his BS about the nazis to the historical community, he would be (and is anyway) laughed at like Hovind is laughed at by the scientific community.
I've already knocked him down line by line on the nazis
The American Hebrew, Sep 10, 1920:"The Bolshevik revolution (COMMUNISM) in Russia was the work of JEWISH brains, of JEWISH dissatisfaction, of JEWISH PLANNING whose GOAL is to create a *NEW ORDER in the WORLD [NEW WORLD ORDER]. What was performed in so excellent a way in Russia, thanks to JEWISH brains, because of Jewish dissatisfaction & BY JEWISH PLANNING, shall also, through the same Jewish mental & physical forces, become a reality ALL OVER THE WORLD."
UUH.. NOT TO MENTION MARX WAS A KHAZAR ('JEW')!! CRYPTO JEW TO BE EXACT.. HE WAS BORN WITH AN ASHKENAZI NAME (I FIORGET BUT GOOGLE.. IT TAKES 30 SECONDS).
JUST LIKE LENIN, TROTSKY, STALIN, ROTHSCHILDS, ROCKEFELLERS.. KISINGER.. 70% OF THE CFR.. THE ENTIRE UPPER BOARD OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE.. BIDEN, CHERTOFF (TALMUDIC JEW)... I COULD GO ON AND ON BUT PEOPLE WHO DONT HAVE THE WORD KHAZAR QUITE OVERSTOOD MIGHT JUST YELL "NAZI".. SO, WHATEV.
If 2 things r remotely similar Beck completely associates them 2 their fullest extent. "OMG their posters are the same THEY MUST BE THE SAME. OMG they both use the color red! THEY MUST BE THE SAME!!!" The liberal equivalent of Beck would declare that Republicans are dictators due to their adaptation of the color red. That's trash, and so is Beck. Beck's presentations r made 4 low level thinkers who jump 2 quick conclusions, the perfect crowd of people who will support anything
Haha Yea. I think the "similar posters prove similar ideologies" segment is arguably the dumbest and most superficial thing in the whole doc, seeing as we can find many and more examples than the ones presented here of american, British and allied posters that look like Nazi and/or soviet ones. So are we all Commu/Nazi Fascists too? No of course not. Again it's just superficial nonsense.
Tzipora Menache, jewish spokesperson: “You know very well, & the STUPID Americans know well, that we control their government, irrespective of who sits in the White House. You see, I know it & you know it that no American president can be in a position to challenge us even if we do the unthinkable. What can they do to us? We control congress, we control the media, we control show biz, & WE CONTROL EVERYTHING IN AMERICA. In America you can criticize God, but you CAN'T criticize Israel" ['jews'].
Oh and also Why does "Pa dolinam i pa vsgorjam" sound just like "To the Glory of the Fatherland [aka "The Tsarist Army Marches"]"? Does this prove the reds [communists] and the whites [Tsarists] had "similar ideologies"? Only in Beck's stupid superficial alternative universe...
see: watch?v=uEmPaTc589M
Sorry Beck but plagiarism, which i suspect is really going on here proves nothing!
Clearly Beck hasn't read any Marx if he actually thinks that Marx's philosophy was put into practice by Soviet Communists. If Marx were around when the Soviets were in power, he no doubt would have despised them as much as he despised Capitalism.
"sometimes its hard to tell Marx and Hitler apart" ...other than that one is extreme right wing and the other is extreme left wing...... people seriously need to stop comparing Marx to communism as we know it. it is abundantly clear that the name communism is merely a scheme to gain the crowds to overthrow an establishment, then a right wing authoritarian takes charge. The same thing was done with the national socialist party, russia, N. Korea, etc.
@Ricardo72 Yes! Hitler was a great centrist, all those progressive policies he had really offset the totalitarian in him...... (sarcasm). Monarchies and fascism are far right, communism is far left. laissez faire is center-right.
@Andy180084 *sigh* did you even look at the political compass website? Left/right is a split between collectivism and individualism in regard to economics, nothing else. Extreme right wing = individualism (capitalism), extreme left wing = collectivism (socialism). The Nazis mixed both. Just because the term 'right wing' has suddenly become a synonym of "anything I don't like" among idiots, doesn't mean that's what political experts and the dictionary agrees on.
@Andy180084 Oh, and by the way, he did support progressive policies in regard to the redistribution of wealth and social spending. He just wasn't "socially liberal" as they say.
@GDHartman41 pt1) Sorry fior you but Hitler did Not embrace socialism. The name was merely just a ruse to win as many germans as possible to their side. At any rate, when Hitler referred to 'socialism' in any real context, he was only talking about the racial or national community, known as the Volksgemeinschaft, and even that wasn't based on socialism as Ian Kershaw demonstrates.
@GDHartman41 pt2) "In reality, Hitler's 'Social idea' was simplistic, diffuse and manipulative. It ammounted to litttle more than what he told his bourgeois audience in hamburg [more specificly, what he told the Hamburger Nationalklub on 28th feb 1926]: winning the workers over to nationalism, DESTROYING MARXISM [emphasis added] and overcoming the division between nationalism and socialism through the creation of a nebulous 'national community' (Volksgemeinschaft) -
@GDHartman41 pt3) - based on racial purity and the concept of struggle. The fusion of nationalism and socialism would do away with the class antagonism between a nationalist bourgeoisie and Marxist Proletariat (both of which had failed in their political goals). -
@GDHartman41 pt4) - This would be replaced by a 'Community of Struggle' where nationalism and socialism would be united, where 'brain' and 'fist' would be reconciled, and where - DENUDED OF MARXIST INFLUENCE - the building of a new spirit for the great future struggle of the people could be undertaken. Such ideas were neither new, nor original. And ultimately, they rested NOT ON ANY MODERN FORM OF SOCIALISM [emphasis added], -
@GDHartman41 pt5) - but on the crudest and most brutal version of 19th century imperialist and social-Darwinistic notions. Social welfare in the trumpeted 'national community' did not exist for it's own sake, but to prepare for external struggle, for conquest 'by the sword'" - Ian Kershaw, "Hitler" (abridged) P181-182.
Yes the nazis were right wing, They operated a capitalist economy with Private property and Profits And the political economy is the proper determiner for left and right. Period!
@theyounghistorian77 Why was it called the Nationalist Socialist Workers Party? The regime had many socialist features. The government never confiscated private corporate property, but such property was tightly controlled. The present German government is similar to it, but without the huge military conquests and the genocide.
@maskedavenger777 pt1) Because what they really stood for was for a 'national revival' through terroristic anti-socialiam built upon the cynical manipulation and indoctrination of the masses [whom hitler hated] into nationalism and it didn't matter to hitler how the masses were won over, THE MAIN THING WAS THAT THEY WERE WON OVER! [emphasis added]
The nationalism part should therfore be obvious, the 'German workers' part was the original title of Drexler's party who had a fear of eastern europeans [in paticular czechs] ie foreigners coming in and taking the 'German jobs'
"All they really wanted said Drexler, was "to be ruled by Germans" - John Toland, "Adolf Hitler" p86. So that part of the name came from the plain Right wing Xenophobia Drexler had!
@maskedavenger777 pt3) Now onto the juicy bit, You must understand the word 'socialist' had great popular appeal in the late 19th and early 20th century in Europe and get this the conservative parties ALSO ADOPTED IT to try and tap into that appeal.
@maskedavenger777 pt4) "In 1878...Conservatives founded right-wing antisemitic political parties based on race -using antisemitism in party platforms. "In Germany, political parties which sought to disenfrahise or in some other way to victimize Jews, described themselves from the first as ‘socialist.’ Hitler’s party, in step with this tradition, would later call itself national Socialist." - "The rise of mass politics & the new right, 1880-1900"
@maskedavenger777 pt5) "Also, going back to the period of the "Socialists of the Chair' there was Adolf Stocker's Christian Social Movement, which, in a working alliance with the Conservative Party, aimed at reaching the workers [even] through anti-capitalistic and anti-Semitic slogans. [and remember that this "anti-capitalism" was very selective, just like Hitler they only attacked those areas they though had too much Jewish influence]
@maskedavenger777 pt6) Stocker, who had a decisive influence upon German CONSERVATISM of the late nineteenth century, upon the Kaiser as well as Friedrich Naumann, also was one of the main precursors of National Socialism. The affinity between the new conservatism of the twentieth century and National Socialism, insofar as it existed, was already foreshadowed in him." - Klemens von Klemperer, "Germany's New Conservatism" p58
@maskedavenger777 pt7) "In particular they identified the Jewish influence as the source of Germany's economic woes, political unrest, and moral decline. The remedies they proposed included the exclusion of Jews from positions of public authority(such as teaching and judicial posts) within what they defined as "the Christian state";
@maskedavenger777 pt8) strict laws against usury; [as that was a traditional Christian value] protection of classes allegedly oppressed by Jewish middlemen; restrictions on the stock exchange; and heavier taxes on the profits from what they called "mobile capital." [Again this is not socialism but just program to remove the Jews and just the Jews, from economic society]
@maskedavenger777 pt9) With this program, of course, Conservative anti-Semites joined a chorus of other Germans and Europeans who denounced the "Golden International." - James Retallack, "Anti-Semitism, Conservative propaganda and Regional Politics in Late Nineteenth Century Germany". German Studies Review, Vol. 11, no.3 (Oct 1988), pp. 377 -403.
@maskedavenger777 pt10) "For in the service of their socio-economic goals Hammerstein and Stocker also argued for a more active style of Conservative politics. They believed that in some new commitment to Christian, social, and "popular" goals lay the key to giving Conservatism a stamp of popularity (Volkstiiinlichkeit)." - Retallack, Ibid.
@maskedavenger777 pt11) Or how about asking about The Christian Social[ist] Party and Karl lueger who were very much conservative? It drew most of its support from the upper classes, and the Rural and clerical communities. Priests were not just Party candidates, but also active in the Executive of the Party. One priest, by the name of Ignaz Seipel, made it to the position of party chancellor.
@maskedavenger777 pt12) And perhaps you may do well to explain this...
"Today, more than ever, I regard this man [Karl Lueger] as the greatest German mayor of all times. How many of my basic principles were upset by this change in my attitude toward the Christian Social movement! My views with regard to anti-Semitism thus succumbed to the passage of time, and this was my greatest transformation of all." - Mein Kampf – Vol 1- Chapter 2
@maskedavenger777 pt13) So as you can see, there was a tradition of the political Right using the word 'socialist' in order to attempt to steal some of the populism that the term evoked at the time. And the name was chosen because Drexler and Hitler wanted to appeal to a wider audience.
@maskedavenger777 pt14) "Drexler's party sought in the longer term to win the working class over from Marxism and enlist it in the pan-German cause. The fledgling party was in fact another creation of the hyperactive Thule Society. There was nothing unusual about Drexler or his tiny party in the FAR-RIGHT hothouse of Munich after the defeat of the revolution.", Richard Evans,"The Coming of the Third Reich", p170.
@maskedavenger777 pt15) And we must remember Hitler's first assignment after the war, and where he first became acquainted with the party was just because he was a reliable and noticeable Right-winger.
@maskedavenger777 pt16) "The courses Hitler attended were designed to root out any lingering socialist elements from the regular Bavarian troops and indoctrinate them with the beliefs of the far Right... So regularly did Hitler imbibe the ideas of such men that he was picked out by his superiors and sent as an instructor on a similar course in August 1919." - Evans, ibid , p169 .
@maskedavenger777 pt17) From there he was sent on assignment to check on a small radical party and found Anton Drexler's small party who himself previously came from the Right-Wing fatherland party. It is no accident that their early meetings were held in the Thule society headquarters. And it was again Drexler that gave his party the antithetical name, and that issue was fiercely debated because some in the party thought the name might be misinterpreted by some to really mean socialist.
@maskedavenger777 pt18) But they were clear amongst themselves that they really didn't mean socialism in the real world sense, but all they really meant was a 'national community' explained already.
@maskedavenger777 pt19) And sorry, Nazi Germany had a dirigisme economy which is a form of capitalism, and Hitler a "reluctant dirigiste" at that because he only wanted to control the parts of the economy that were related to war. see R.J Overy "War and Economy in the Third Reich" p2.
@maskedavenger777 pt20) Dirigisme capitalism is still capitalism and a gov't overseeing a nation's economy is nothing new, as a matter of fact that is one of the defining characteristics of government, all governments, especially as they are planning a war as the Nazis were. But do you know who else regulates the use of property? The much touted capitalist bastion of Hong Kong! Where all the land is owned by the government and must be leased from them.
@maskedavenger777 pt21) Yes the Nazis were FAR right wing. Period And there is not one argument that can be made to counter this! And you clearly have no knowledge of Politics as you fail to recognise that Angela Merkel is herself on the Right, More to the point: The Centre Right like most reasonable conservatives are. OOPS!
@eric5335 Well i've already stated this, the place that one takes on the political spectrum is determined by the position that one takes on the ownership of the means of production and the distribution of property and wealth in general. It is a political economy position. Other than Right wingers are free to agree or disagree with each other as much as they wish to. Same standards must apply to the left in order to retain consistency.
NAZI (a German acronym) translates to national socialist party.
"The term Nazi derives from the first two syllables of Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National Socialist German Workers’ Party, NSDAP)" - Wikipedia
@GDHartman41 So? Kim Jung ll calls his gov't the People's Democratic Republic of North Korea.
"For him (Hitler), the Nazi socialists slogans had been merely propaganda, means of winning over the masses on his way to power. Now that he had the power, he was uninterested in them." - Wm Shier, "The Rise & Fall of the 3rd Reich," p. 205. Hitler couldn't have cared less about EGALITARIANISM and spreading the wealth...and he had socialists and commies shot.
Well you know what they say, "Truth is stranger than fiction" - In this case, your inability to believe the truth proves that you've been completely brainwashed. As Benjamin Franklin said, "Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!"
Well what can you expect from someone whose frontpage features a video on how to make a joint, eh stoner dude?
"If you’re not producing as much as you consume or perhaps a little more, then, clearly, we cannot use the organizations of our society for the purpose of keeping you alive, because your life does not benefit us and it can’t be of very much use to yourself.[68]"
Shaw, however, often played the fool in order to mock those who took eugenics too seriously and many commentators have failed to realise this.
Two seconds on wikipedia and I found this video to be total shit. Go fuck yourself, Bruno.
@RedwoodTheElf pt1) Sorry but im not letting you get away here, The trouble with Beck's use of George Bernard Shaw is that he had a combination of Whacked out views plus a bizarre sense of humor, plus his rhetoric can be considered extremely Hyperbolic. A definite recipe for Quote-mining which is what i suspect here, Given Beck's well known record for Quote-mining. Show me the full video and prove me wrong someone!
@RedwoodTheElf pt2) "Shaw...did not spare the eugenics movement his unpredictable mockery...[he] acted the outrageous buffoon at times." - Daniel J.Kevles, "In the name of eugenics: genetics and the uses of human heredity", p86.
@RedwoodTheElf pt3) At any rate, the example of eugenics doesn't really work either, there were many adherents to eugenics that were Right Wing, Such as Prescott Bush, Henry Ford, and the republican congressman Albert Johnson who was the head of 'The Eugenics Research Association', a group which opposed interracial marriage and supported forced sterilization of the mentally disabled.
@RedwoodTheElf pt4) In the UK. Churchill was in favour of eugenics, Arthur Balfour was also in favour of eugenics, and even Neville Chamberlain had some pro-eugenic thoughts, both of the last two were members of the Eugenics education society. In 1926 it became the British eugenics society. Eugenics was what it was, a wrong turn in science that was unfortunately picked up by many on the left, right and centre before it was found to be false and discarded. But that's not all...
@RedwoodTheElf pt5) "The rise of the Nazis, and the rise of other anti-jewish right-wing parties in france and other continential countries, has put inter-war britain in a benign light. ... but the picture is too simple. For Britain had some ferociously anti-semitic groups too ... They emerged out of the Great war alongside anti-communist orginizations. -
@RedwoodTheElf pt6) - The middle Classes Union, for instance and the British empire Union and angry groups such as the Silver Badge Party of ex-servicemen, run by the eccentric avaitior Pemberton Billings, who during the Great War had caused a sensation by claiming the germans had a "Black Book" containing the names of 47'000 highly placed perverts, -
@RedwoodTheElf pt7) - and that the Kaiser's men were undermining Britain by luring her men into homosexual acts ... Such people tended to see Lloyd George's govt as a corrupt sell out and possibly under the influence of German Jews, much as the extreme right had seen things before the war of 1914." - Andrew Marr. "The Making of Modern Britian.", p290
@RedwoodTheElf pt8) "Henry Hamilton Beamish, ... had set up an anti-semitic group called the Britons and had campaigned for jews to be resettled in Madagascar. By the late 30's he was publicly prophesying that Germany would have to invade Russia and place half the population in the Lethal Chamber: all jews must be sterilized, Killed or segregated" - ibid p291
@RedwoodTheElf pt9) "Then there were secret groups like the Nordics and the "Right Club" run by a well known Conservative MP, Archibald Maule Ramsay; there was even a Nazi British version of the KKK, called the White Knights of Britain or the Hooded men." - ibid p291
yes im not joking, they actualy called themselves, "the Right Club" Funny isn't it?
@RedwoodTheElf pt10) "These groups were quickly penetrated by British intellegence and their extreme language kept them far from mainstream politics, but they should not be entirely dismissed. The Brownshirts and other fascist groups in Weimar Germany had also been small, apparantly ridiculous, and fought vigorously amongst themselves. -
@RedwoodTheElf pt11) - Had Britain been beaten in 1940, in the conditions of national collapse and a search for scapegoats, she had her Proto-Hitlers waiting in the wings, ready to call on an underground tradition of Anti-semitism that ran from Aristocrats to dockers" ibid p291
@RedwoodTheElf pt12) "The Mitfords were not typical, but their interest in Far-Right Politics was not at all unusial for the upper classes of the 30's ... When war with Nazi Germany eventualy came, almost all of the British followers of fascism would drop their previous attachments and serve their country. -
@RedwoodTheElf pt13) Only a tiny number became traitors ... But most of the wealthier British who fell out of love with the national government were lookng further to the right. Communism was their enemy, Not fascism" - ibid p324
@RedwoodTheElf pt14) So Even Stating Shaw's position is meaningless to Beck's argument. These ideas weren't just Commonplace on the left, They were commonplace on the Right too and dont deny it!
I rest my case. You just got Pwnd badly, Now deal with it!
(Yawn) Was hyu sayink someting? It's not my job to teach morons how to do deir own research inshtead uf believink everyting dey read on Wrong-o-pedia...
(Yawn) Were you trying to say something little Child? It's not my job to teach morons like you how to do their own research instead of believing everything Glenn Beck Screams at them!
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Sorry the fact remains. Nazis are Right wing and Hitler was never a socialist!. Period. And there is nothing you nor Beck can do to change this fact.
Hehe. That spanish clip was a great joke and im definitely going to try to use it in a future production, I think a certain Someone is going to be so Pissed when i do ;-)
@theyounghistorian77 Ha ha ha!Yes do that!!It would be a pleasure if you put this litlle clip in :)! It´s not more than fair! Our pal "Glenn" do for sure a lot cut and paste with persons in his programs so they that Liberals became Faschist and Obama is a Maoist i think i heard him claim lately!So don´t be shy :)Just Give him :)!
@DamnYourReallyUgly pt1) So it's "100% correct" you say? Well let's make an example and pick apart the title shall we? This is the original German.
"Alle andern großen und kleinen Stämme und Völker haben zunächst die Mission, im revolutionären Weltsturm unterzugehen. Daher sind sie jetzt kontrerevolutionär."
@DamnYourReallyUgly pt2) It’s in the "Magyar struggle" Nowhere in that phrase do i see the word 'Holocaust'. [Instead, It's 'Worldstorm'. Different Word methinks] Beck simply made the word Holocaust up. He only uses the word Holocaust only because it reminds people of the horrors of the Nazi regime. It is a DELIBERATE LIE to convince his credulous viewers that the Nazis are related to Marx
@DamnYourReallyUgly pt3) And by 'revolutionary Worldstorm', Engels was referring to the ongoing event of the revolutionary fervour sweeping europe at the time. 1848 to 1849.
In this context, Engels was writing about 'revolutionary' and 'counterrevolutionary' nations and he is not calling for any notion of Genocide, he just predicting that 'counterrevolutionary' nations will perish because of circumstance.
how come they dont show the part where henry ford supported the nazis and his relationship with hitler not to mention his racist and anti semit views?
@supercrazylegs1 pt1) And what 'similarities' are they? Only the ones that can be found in the fact both were totalitarian regimes and totalitarianism itself being something which can exist on either the Right or the Left as the size of Govt is NOT how we determine both factors in the first place. At any rate, even that's superficial due to the fact Hitler exhibited a Different kind of totalitarianism from Stalin.
@supercrazylegs1 pt2) Beck here only draws self-serving and superficial false conclusions from perverted and purposefully misrepresented events. He is no more than the Kent Hovind of historical interpretation. He is a joke, and if he tried to present his BS about the nazis to the historical community, he would be (and is anyway) laughed at like Hovind is laughed at by the scientific community.
@theyounghistorian77 In case you don't remember, I have argued with you once and I will not attempt to argue with you again because trying to argue with you is like arguing with a brick wall. You ignored every point I made last time and did nothing but fill my inbox with book citations that rarely had anything to do with the points I made. You're a pseudo intellectual who is obviously more interested in picking fights with people and trying to look smart than actually being smart.
@supercrazylegs1 Yea Of course you can't care what real world academics say, Of course you like dismissing real knowledge as 'liberal', and just like Beck you like making up ridiculous connections that don't really exist. Of course you have to distort reality because reality doesn't support you for as Colbert say's; "reality has a well known liberal bias" So now all you can do is make ad-homs simply because i crushed you before, and i can do it again
@DaHonestAbe Thanks, I only wonder if it pains all the beck-heads at all that a 21 yr old can debunk this crock of shit on the nazis line by line. But then i guess it really doesn't take much to expose Beck and Goldberg for the quote-mining fools and liars they really are. Oh and you should already know what's in the works ;-)
@theyounghistorian77 I do know what's in the works, and I can't wait to watch it. I saw you posted Dr. Matthew Feldman's response to liberal fascism. He openly challenged Jonah to a debate, but as far as I know, Jonah didn't accept. And lord knows his scared ass wont. He wrote that book to muddy history, and those who muddy history are too cowardly to debate.
@DaHonestAbe well that's because 'not debating' is the best way to defend one's delusions, But could you imagine what would happen if Beck invited me on to debate the nazi segment of this programme?
i would humiliate him, and can do it so badly like i can with the rest of his credulous followers but then so can you. In fact i think anyone with a decent education can!
Oh, help me, I'm wading into the pool of idiocy that is the world of Glenn Beck...
While Shaw DID support eugenics, and, yes, killing people, they have on fact wrong here--shaw did NOT want to kill according to genetics, as that man said, or class or race or anything like that, but, as Shaw said, based on whether or not someone was functioning in society.
He was NOT a proponet of ethnic cleansing, he'd, say want to kill drug dealers--still BAD, but NOT genetic or racial, a was claimed.
ROFL. Well that's OK then, lets just kill people based on class or education? Who gets to decide who lives and dies. YOU? The "Experts"?, People who have money and power to *influence opinion*.
Do us a favour and march yourself into a gas chamber.
0:25 - "Hitler's underlying admiration for Marxism is obvious."
Really Beck Glenn? Is this why Hitler sent communists to the death camps along with the Jews and homosexuals?
Do you stupid dopes out there who watch this stuff ever bother to actually read Marx or Hitler?
Mein Kampf is FULL of Hitler's contempt for communists. Marx was born a Jew; many Bolshevik leaders were Jews (Trotsky et al), which was the underlying rationale for the Jewish extermination.
@DaHonestAbe In his first interview after being named Prime Minister, said his new economic policy was named, "Corporatism", the marriage of government and business. "What I don't seize, I will intimidate. "No business is entitled to one lira ($) of profit that doesn't benefit the State!" His name was Mussolini, a Communist until 1919.
@DaHonestAbe The reality is that "fascism, without the militant exploitation, was proposed by the most radical of all the Communist theorists, Georges Eugene Sorel. He said that some highly e
@ZERO1344 Does the Right Wing want Government to take over private businesses, change and run the Banks (no more loans to begin business), want Religion out of our lives, or are anti-Jewish and pro-Sharia? I can show you 20 books to his 1 which completely disagree. What the hell do you think NAZI stands for: "in German-Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei", translated: "National Socialist German Workers Party". The leftist Kershaw is wrong! Hitler defined the One World Government, His!
GT90ford 1 month ago
@GT90ford You fucking ignorant right wing piece of shit, you wouldn't know the truth if the youngistrian77 bookslapped your ass into the next century. Oh, they were called the national socialists. And I suppose North Korea is a democratic republic because its in their title? Dear god I wish people like you would off themselves so the rest of us could live in peace. Kershaw is an accredited historian and you're an anti-intellectual right wing know-nothing. Take a fucking walk!
DaHonestAbe 1 month ago
@DaHonestAbe Live in peace, impossible with people like yourself running free, you are a danger to society, a danger to all. If you wish to have a battle of wits, your are half way there... Perhaps one day you will sett the real truth. As it is now, you will never know what you are talking about, anyone as ignorant as you, I would just take my own life, for you, a good start. You are incapable of having a conversing on an intellectual basis, don't tell your boyfriend, he might cry.
GT90ford 1 month ago
@GT90ford "don't tell your boyfriend, he might cry."
Himmler would be proud of that statement. Ah, the right is so sad!
DaHonestAbe 4 weeks ago
@DaHonestAbe I WILL tell my female wife we are all Conservatives (the Party of Lincoln), so no need to worry about losing your MAN, least of all...Me! Your insults only make you look uneducated. It is the Left who agrees with the Fabian Society. Their belief was "The Fabians believed that capitalism had created an unjust and inefficient society. (Source: The Lib Site: "Spartacus Educational") Obama ruined a great country, tks to the 'Pied Pipers' such as yourselves, followers, never leaders.
GT90ford 4 weeks ago
@GT90ford Awwww, someone doesn't know what the Southern Strategy is. Well hey, I never accused the right of being historically accurate.
"Obama ruined a great country"
Oh he did indeed. And you can thank conservative "thinkers" like yourself for aiding in making that possible. Without ginormous fuck-ups like mainstream conservatives paving the way, Obama wouldn't even exist. I for one didn't vote for him. Ah right wingers are too damned entertaining.
DaHonestAbe 2 weeks ago
@DaHonestAbe No more emails from you... HA!! Just like everything else you have said is a lie, right? As for Adolf, he would be proud of Obama. Isn't everyone "for" separation of Church and State, now Obama is breaking the Constitution once again, forcing Christians & Jewish institutions, to MAKE them pay for abortion and abortion medications. Isn't is odd that the Muslims are exempt? I isn't that I am not a people person, I'm just not a stupid people person.
GT90ford 2 weeks ago
@DaHonestAbe BTW, I have blocked you, I will receive no more emails from such a foul mouthed ass, especially one who have no common sense and could not get trough the 5th grade. You could join Mensa, then I may speak with you again. Your complete total lack of intelligence is astounding, bet your mom is proud of you (NOT)...HA HA!!! Was going to say, see ya around, but I suppose since I have blocked you, I serously doubt that will happen again, let me know when you grow a pair.
GT90ford 1 month ago
@GT90ford Kershaw is an acclaimed and accredited historian. And you're a right wing know-nothing. Take a hike, no one with even a modicum of knowledge would take your ignorant ramblings seriously.
DaHonestAbe 1 month ago
@DaHonestAbe
I'd advise just ignoring him. All his points have already been dealt with in the comment streams (1/5) (2/5) as you know. All i have to say about him really is he seems far too much of a coward to adress me direct, instead he sticks it in the general comments section (and posts it to the wrong guy) perhaps in the vain hopes i dont notice. What a laugh!
theyounghistorian77 1 month ago
@theyounghistorian77 Fuck him, he's an ant-intellectual piece of shit.
DaHonestAbe 4 weeks ago
nice, although this should be titled "live free AND let live free, or die."
stonereflex 2 months ago in playlist Revolutionary Holocaust
USSR - Socialism in one country
Nazi germany - Socialism in one nation
siralucard19 8 months ago
What a load of bollocks!
scorchyfidge 8 months ago
What i find funny is beck is deliberately trying to link the ideas of "National Socialism or Hitlerism" and "Communism" when they were DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED. The reason for this opposition has little to do with social policies, and more to do with race. The germans didn't massacre their own people indiscriminately. They did it intelligently. The russians however, didn't care. In the early days, the Nazi's and the Commies fought bloody battles in the streets of germany before ever takin power
Tluccodis741 8 months ago
@Tluccodis741 Are you really trying to say that Socialism and Communism are diametrically opposite? They're practically the same thing!
ZERO1344 8 months ago
@ZERO1344 Actually i didn't say socialism and communism are diametrically opposite. I said HITLER's National Socialism and the idea of Communism ARE. Go read some history and find out how they had massacres in the streets of germany when the NSDAP was still just a small party. The communists worst enemy is the Nazi's. Do not confuse National Socialism, and simple socialism. When your socialism is directly coupled with a strong nationalism, it runs completely opposite. Communism=Internationalism.
Tluccodis741 8 months ago
@Tluccodis741 While they may not be the same thing 100%, they're not even close to diametrically opposite. Capitalism is the diametric oppoiste of socialism.
Hitler stood for universal healthcare, government control of education and rationing. Sound a bit like communism?
ZERO1344 8 months ago
@ZERO1344 Yes. You're right. And workers in germany recieved 2 weeks paid vacation a year under hitler. 40 hour work weeks were instituted where none had been. And within 2 years of being elected chancellor, he had reduced the unemployment rate from over 30% to under 2 %. Usury and interest profit was eradicated. A debt-free money system was instituted as well, breaking the grip of international finance on Germany. In his book he says that communism is the greatest threat to Germany's freedom.
Tluccodis741 8 months ago
@Tluccodis741 Except that what he was doing was Communism. Communism, as defined by Karl Marx (the guy who created communism) was no profit motive and a common (government) ownership of businesses.
Hitlerism = Communism.
ZERO1344 8 months ago
@ZERO1344 Erm, no because National Socialism has core tenets that are contrary to communism, such as the fact that it acknowledges spirituality as a driving force behind humanity, it's focus on ethnic nationalism, it's focus on strong hierarchies and it's anti-democratic tendencies. Egalitarianism is a core tenant of Marxism, however the National Socialists advocated not only racial superiority, but also spiritual, social and political supremacy. By the way, Marxism did not invent communism.
CollectiveRepression 8 months ago
@ZERO1344 (1)
But that never happened!!! There was no Collective govt in Nazi germany and the Capitalist profit motive remained.
theyounghistorian77 8 months ago
@theyounghistorian77 THERE WAS RATIONING AND UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE!!!! THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING YOU MOUTH PIECE FOR SOME NEOPSEUDOINTELLECTUAL GROUP!!!!
ZERO1344 8 months ago
@ZERO1344
Haha and what's this? Yea of course you like to boast that you're an uneducated fool. Of course you can't care what real world academics say, Of course you idiot Beck-heads like dismissing real knowledge as 'liberal', and just like Beck you like making up ridiculous connections that don't really exist. Of course you have to distort reality because reality doesn't support you for as Colbert say's; "reality has a well known liberal bias"
Sorry, Nazi Germany was Right wing. Period!
theyounghistorian77 8 months ago
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@theyounghistorian77 stop using you tube... go to north korea
paunocu666 2 months ago
@ZERO1344 (2)
"Whatever level of state intervention, it could be argued quite forcefully that belief in private property was CENTRAL to fascist ideology, as [Roger] Eatwell states: the sympathetic reference to socialism did not mean that fascists accepted the abolition of private property. This was seen as a law of nature.” - “The Routledge Companion to Fascism and the Far Right" p141
theyounghistorian77 8 months ago
@ZERO1344 (3)
"Fascist revolutions sought to change the nature of relationships between the individual and the collectivity WITHOUT destroying the impetus of economic activity - The profit motive or its foundation - private property or its necessary framework - the market economy. this was one aspect of the novelty of fascism; the fascist revolution was supported by an economy determined by the laws of the market." - Prof Zeev Sternhell, "The Birth of Fascist Ideology", p7
theyounghistorian77 8 months ago
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"Yet the equality of status so loudly and insistently proclaimed by the Nazis did not imply equality of social position, income or wealth. The Nazis did not radically revise the taxation system so as to even up people's net incomes, for example, or control the economy in the manner that was done in the Soviet Union, or later on in the German Democratic republic, so as to minimize the differences between rich and poor.
theyounghistorian77 8 months ago
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Rich and poor remained in the Third Reich, as much as they ever had. In the end, the aristocracy's power over the land remained undisturbed, and younger nobles even found a new leadership role in the SS, Germany's future political elite.
theyounghistorian77 8 months ago
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Peasant families that had run their village community for decades or even centuries managed for the most part to retain their position by reaching a limited accommodation with the new regime. Businessmen, big and small, continued to run their business for the usual capitalist profit motive." - Evans, "The Third Reich in Power" p500
theyounghistorian77 8 months ago
@ZERO1344 (1)
Bullshit!!! Lets make an example and debunk 2 of your points here. Govt run Healthcare in Germany had existed since 1883. It is the oldest govt run Healthcare system in the World. Who introduced it? Otto Von Bismarck. Was he Conservative? Yes he was
theyounghistorian77 8 months ago
@ZERO1344 (2)
Maybe you're talking about the 1941 legislation, which was passed that allowed workers whose incomes had risen above the income ceiling for compulsory membership to continue their insurance on a voluntary basis? The same year, coverage was extended to all retired Germans.
theyounghistorian77 8 months ago
@ZERO1344 (3)
But even so, Jews, Slavs, Communists and other "Undesirables" were not covered by healthcare in Nazi Germany (So it can hardly be called Universal) and the legislation programmes enacted by the Nazis count as reform. I think it’s safe to say Obama Care is more tolerant than Nazi Care. I think it’s also safe to say that Angela Merkel knows that as much as i do
theyounghistorian77 8 months ago
@ZERO1344 (4)
But anyway, let us have a look as to what Hitler thought about Bismarck’s Social legislation.
"I studied Bismarck's Socialist legislation in its intention struggle, and success. Gradually I obtained a positively granite foundation for my own conviction, so that since that time I have never been forced to undertake a shift in my own inner view on this question. Likewise the relation of Marxism to the Jews was submitted to further thorough examination" - Mein Kampf, Vol 1, Ch4.
theyounghistorian77 8 months ago
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If the conservative Bismarck can be counted as a de-facto socialist simply because he enacted "Socialist legislation" too Black must therfore be white. Also, Churchill was for expanding Healthcare. Does this make him a left winger? NO. All three British political parties had NHS proposals in their 1945 manifestoes. The Conservatives actually had the longest section in their manifesto, pledging
theyounghistorian77 8 months ago
@ZERO1344 (6)
"The health services of the country will be made available to all citizens. Everyone will contribute to the cost, and no one will be denied the attention, the treatment or the appliances he requires because he cannot afford them. We propose to create a comprehensive health service covering the whole range of medical treatment from the general practitioner to the specialist, and from the hospital to convalescence and rehabilitation"
theyounghistorian77 8 months ago
@ZERO1344 (7)
although they went on to envision it as encompassing voluntary hospitals and university medical research, as well as focussing on maternity care.
theyounghistorian77 8 months ago
@ZERO1344 (8)
The point is that a Conservative post-war government under Churchill was fully signed up to introducing an NHS (even if they disagreed with labour's NHS) . A Liberal post-war government under Sinclair was also fully signed up to introducing the NHS. The NHS was, in effect an inescapable conclusion.
theyounghistorian77 8 months ago
@ZERO1344 (9)
The Universial healthcare = socialism idea is built upon a myth – a boil that needs to be lanced. while I'll admit that We’re so used to Labour politicians churning out the line that Labour gave us the NHS, ie when Ian McCartney MP celebrated Labour’s centenary in 2006, he actually shed a tear for the NHS as "Labour’s greatest triumph". But anyone familiar with history will tell you that Goldberg's and McCartney's version of events is a cruel lie
theyounghistorian77 8 months ago
@ZERO1344 (10)
And let's see, Did you know that the Nazis started private elite schools, the so called Order Castles? Probably not. And so what about your silly superficial statement anyway. None of what you say makes the Nazis were socialists or Leftists. ALL modern states educate their children, nearly ALL modern states expanded education in the 20th century. But expanding education is NOT something the Nazis did!
theyounghistorian77 8 months ago
@ZERO1344 (11)
Which is why "despite much rhetoric ... the educational opportunities of the underprivileged in the nazi state were no better than in the Weimar republic. Workers in the late 30's represented 45% of the population but furnished only 3% of the senior student body, exactly the same % as in the pre-nazi period." - James Taylor and Warren Shaw, "Penguin dictionary of the third Reich", p83.
In actual fact, the real picture is as follows...
theyounghistorian77 8 months ago
@ZERO1344 (12)
"Increasing numbers of teachers took early retirement or left the profession for other jobs. In 1936, there were 1335 unfilled posts in the elementary schools: by 1938 the number had grown to nearly 3000 while the annual number of graduates from teacher training colleges,
theyounghistorian77 8 months ago
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at 2500, was nowhere near adequate to the estimated need of the school system for an additional 8000 teachers a year. The result was that by 1938, class size on average in all schools had increased to 43 pupils per teacher as compared to 37 in 1927," - Richard Evans, "The Third reich in power", p269.
theyounghistorian77 8 months ago
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"At every level, formal learning was given decreased emphasis as the hours devoted to physical education and sport in the state schools were increased in 1936 to three a week, and then in 1938 to five and fewer lessons were devoted to academic subjects to make room for indoctrination and preparation in war" - ibid, p289
theyounghistorian77 8 months ago
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"The reorganization of German secondary schools ordered in 1937 abolished grammar school education for girls altogether. The only other secondary education available to girls was a language based girls school, where domestic science was also compulsory.
theyounghistorian77 8 months ago
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From April 1938, all girls who still managed to graduate with a university entrance examination despite all these obstacles were obliged to have a 'domestic year'; only after this would they be given the school leaving certificate and allowed to proceed to university." - Ibid, p299
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So in your world, Restricting something like Girls education is an expansion of it?
theyounghistorian77 8 months ago
@ZERO1344 (17)
And expanding education isn't a socialist thing either, Churchill, in passing the 1944 "Butler Act" made secondary education free for all pupils. Also, 7000 new schools were built during Harold Macmillan's premiership. So let me guess, you think Churchill was a socialist too huh? LOL
theyounghistorian77 8 months ago
@ZERO1344 (18)
Oh and there's one more thing: Nazi Germany even had a capitalist economy with Private property, Private profits and even privitizations. All serious Historians recognize Hitler and the Nazis to be Right wing Anti-socialists and especialy Anti Marxist/Communists. Period!
"Hitler was never a socialist" - Ian Kershaw, "Hitler" (abridged), p269
theyounghistorian77 8 months ago
Yet another lunatic racist Anti-semitic conspiricy theorist, and probable neo-nazi has decided to respond to me.
Why is it that i attract these people who i find to be worse than creationists?
theyounghistorian77 8 months ago
"I've NEVER seen a president - I don't care who he is - stand up to them
['jews']. It just boggles the mind. They always get what they want.
The Israelis know what is going on all the time. I got to the point where
I wasn't writing anything down. If the American people understood what a
grip those people have got ON OUR GOVERNMENT, THEY WOULD TAKE UP ARMS.
Our citizens certainly don't have ANY IDEA what goes on."
Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
mrtruthify 8 months ago
WHILE THE AMERICAN SHEEPLE WERE BEING DUMBED DOWN IN SCHOOLS, PROPAGANDIZED BY TELEVISION (ALLLL CONTROLLED BY JEW COMMUNISTS.. RUSSIA ALL OVER AGAIN).. THE 'JEWS' (KHAZARS, "JEW" IS A MADE UP WORD) HAVE BEEN BUSY F*CKING YOU SO BADLY YOU CAN NO LONGER SEE STRAIGHT. ALL YOUR INDUSTRY SHIPPED TO CHINA. TOTALLY ENSLAVED TO THEIR 100% PRIVATE JEWISH RESERVE BANK & STILL READING OFF THE TALMUD TO ENSLAVE THE "GOYIM" (IN FACT ITS THE "JEWS" WHO ARE GENTILE PAGAN, SATANIC TURKS).
WILL U ALL WAKE UP?
mrtruthify 8 months ago
"Zionism is a political program for the conquest of the world ... .Zionism
destroyed Russia by violence as a warning to other nations. It is destroying
the United States through bankruptcy, as Lenin advised. Zionism wants another
world war if necessary to enslave the people. Our manpower is scattered over
the world. Will we be destroyed from within or will we wake up in time to
prevent it?" Henry H. Klein (Pamphlet "Zionism Rules the World")
YOU'VE ALL RUN OUT OF TIME. TURN OFF THE TV!
mrtruthify 8 months ago
Baruch Levy: "In this NEW WORLD ORDER, Israel will furnish ALL leaders without opposition.Governments of the different peoples forming the world republic will FALL INTOTHE HANDS OF THE JEWS. It will then be possible for the JEWISH RULERS to abolish private property everywhere to make use of the resources of earth. Thus the promise of the TALMUD be fulfilled. . . JEWS will have ALL the property of the WHOLE WORLD in their hands" Letter to Karl Marx, 'La Revue de Paris', p.574, June 1, 1928
mrtruthify 8 months ago
WHO IS WATCHING THIS PROPAGANDA STILL? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? SHEEPLE ARE STILL WATCHING FOX NEWS? SAD..
FYI LITTLE SHEEPLE.. WHILE THE COMMMUNIST JEWS BRAINWASH YOU WITH THEIR HOLOHOAX.. TRY TAKING 5 MINUTES.. JUST 5.. TO READ ABOUT THE JEWS CREATING COMMUNISM & EXTERMINATING 85 MILLION PEOPLE IN RUSSIA (ALL THE WAY INTO THE 1980's) & 7 MILLION IN UKRAIN & 1 MILLION IN ARMENIA.
NOW IF YOURE TOO STUPID TO WONDER WHY YOU NEVER HEARD ABOUT THESE 93 MILLION DEAD.. WELL.. THATS BRAINWASHING!
mrtruthify 8 months ago
"Marxism and Nazism were the same". The fact that this absurd statement actually is given some credence speaks volumes about the inadequacy of the American education system.
Also, you all realize that Shaw's comments about gassing were understood at the time to be satirical a la "A Modest Proposal", right? Literally 10 seconds of googling would clear this up.
Then again, this is Glenn Beck we're talking about. I expect him to make a video about Swift's cruel plans for cannibalism
USERACCOUNT40001 9 months ago
@USERACCOUNT
lol you said that about Swift better than me :)
Beck only draws self-serving and superficial false conclusions from perverted and purposefully misrepresented events. He is no more than the Kent Hovind of historical interpretation. He is a joke, and if he tried to present his BS about the nazis to the historical community, he would be (and is anyway) laughed at like Hovind is laughed at by the scientific community.
I've already knocked him down line by line on the nazis
theyounghistorian77 9 months ago
The American Hebrew, Sep 10, 1920:"The Bolshevik revolution (COMMUNISM) in Russia was the work of JEWISH brains, of JEWISH dissatisfaction, of JEWISH PLANNING whose GOAL is to create a *NEW ORDER in the WORLD [NEW WORLD ORDER]. What was performed in so excellent a way in Russia, thanks to JEWISH brains, because of Jewish dissatisfaction & BY JEWISH PLANNING, shall also, through the same Jewish mental & physical forces, become a reality ALL OVER THE WORLD."
JEWS INVENTED COMMUNISM/MARXISM...
mrtruthify 8 months ago
@USERACCOUNT40001
UUH.. NOT TO MENTION MARX WAS A KHAZAR ('JEW')!! CRYPTO JEW TO BE EXACT.. HE WAS BORN WITH AN ASHKENAZI NAME (I FIORGET BUT GOOGLE.. IT TAKES 30 SECONDS).
JUST LIKE LENIN, TROTSKY, STALIN, ROTHSCHILDS, ROCKEFELLERS.. KISINGER.. 70% OF THE CFR.. THE ENTIRE UPPER BOARD OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE.. BIDEN, CHERTOFF (TALMUDIC JEW)... I COULD GO ON AND ON BUT PEOPLE WHO DONT HAVE THE WORD KHAZAR QUITE OVERSTOOD MIGHT JUST YELL "NAZI".. SO, WHATEV.
mrtruthify 8 months ago
beck is a clown.
svarthund09 9 months ago
If 2 things r remotely similar Beck completely associates them 2 their fullest extent. "OMG their posters are the same THEY MUST BE THE SAME. OMG they both use the color red! THEY MUST BE THE SAME!!!" The liberal equivalent of Beck would declare that Republicans are dictators due to their adaptation of the color red. That's trash, and so is Beck. Beck's presentations r made 4 low level thinkers who jump 2 quick conclusions, the perfect crowd of people who will support anything
wangsta25 10 months ago
@wangsta25 (1)
Haha Yea. I think the "similar posters prove similar ideologies" segment is arguably the dumbest and most superficial thing in the whole doc, seeing as we can find many and more examples than the ones presented here of american, British and allied posters that look like Nazi and/or soviet ones. So are we all Commu/Nazi Fascists too? No of course not. Again it's just superficial nonsense.
See: watch?v=PSon3A_kRlE
theyounghistorian77 10 months ago
Tzipora Menache, jewish spokesperson: “You know very well, & the STUPID Americans know well, that we control their government, irrespective of who sits in the White House. You see, I know it & you know it that no American president can be in a position to challenge us even if we do the unthinkable. What can they do to us? We control congress, we control the media, we control show biz, & WE CONTROL EVERYTHING IN AMERICA. In America you can criticize God, but you CAN'T criticize Israel" ['jews'].
mrtruthify 8 months ago
@wangsta25 (2)
Oh and also Why does "Pa dolinam i pa vsgorjam" sound just like "To the Glory of the Fatherland [aka "The Tsarist Army Marches"]"? Does this prove the reds [communists] and the whites [Tsarists] had "similar ideologies"? Only in Beck's stupid superficial alternative universe...
see: watch?v=uEmPaTc589M
Sorry Beck but plagiarism, which i suspect is really going on here proves nothing!
theyounghistorian77 10 months ago
The American Bulletin, Jewish Rabbi S. Wise, May 5, 1935:
"Some call it Marxism -- I call it Judaism."
"The Communists are against religion & they seek to destroy religion; yet,
when we look deeper into the nature of Communism, we see it is essentially
nothing else than a religion (Judaism)"--'A Program for the Jews and Humanity',
Jewish Rabbi Harry Waton, p.138.
IF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE EVER FIGURE OUT WHAT BECKS MASTERS WRITING HOS TELEPROMPTER ARE DOING... HE'LL BE HUNG.
mrtruthify 8 months ago
Clearly Beck hasn't read any Marx if he actually thinks that Marx's philosophy was put into practice by Soviet Communists. If Marx were around when the Soviets were in power, he no doubt would have despised them as much as he despised Capitalism.
JWP321 10 months ago
fucking satanists
Cardan011 10 months ago
racial trash? were the hell does marx say that?
kk789789789 10 months ago
It's true. Most marxists of today are simply belivers in the third reich and are driven by a hatred against spanish people.
lolsomepasque 11 months ago
"sometimes its hard to tell Marx and Hitler apart" ...other than that one is extreme right wing and the other is extreme left wing...... people seriously need to stop comparing Marx to communism as we know it. it is abundantly clear that the name communism is merely a scheme to gain the crowds to overthrow an establishment, then a right wing authoritarian takes charge. The same thing was done with the national socialist party, russia, N. Korea, etc.
Andy180084 11 months ago
@Andy180084 you're right. Now they use the name progressivism
WumboWarrior 11 months ago
@Andy180084 Hitler was not "extreme right-wing", that's a common misconception. He was a centrist. An authoritarian centrist, but still a centrist.
Extreme right-wing refers to laissez-faire capitalism, which can either be authoritarian or libertarian. Take a look at the political compass website.
Ricardo72 10 months ago
@Ricardo72 Yes! Hitler was a great centrist, all those progressive policies he had really offset the totalitarian in him...... (sarcasm). Monarchies and fascism are far right, communism is far left. laissez faire is center-right.
Andy180084 10 months ago
@Andy180084 *sigh* did you even look at the political compass website? Left/right is a split between collectivism and individualism in regard to economics, nothing else. Extreme right wing = individualism (capitalism), extreme left wing = collectivism (socialism). The Nazis mixed both. Just because the term 'right wing' has suddenly become a synonym of "anything I don't like" among idiots, doesn't mean that's what political experts and the dictionary agrees on.
Ricardo72 10 months ago
@Andy180084 Oh, and by the way, he did support progressive policies in regard to the redistribution of wealth and social spending. He just wasn't "socially liberal" as they say.
Ricardo72 10 months ago
Remember the Holodomor! Памятаймо Голодомор!
Couchshooter 1 year ago
@lannytwo, et.al. Really? Ok, you're right, the "right wing" are NAZIs.
GDHartman41 1 year ago
@GDHartman41 pt1) Sorry fior you but Hitler did Not embrace socialism. The name was merely just a ruse to win as many germans as possible to their side. At any rate, when Hitler referred to 'socialism' in any real context, he was only talking about the racial or national community, known as the Volksgemeinschaft, and even that wasn't based on socialism as Ian Kershaw demonstrates.
theyounghistorian77 1 year ago
@GDHartman41 pt2) "In reality, Hitler's 'Social idea' was simplistic, diffuse and manipulative. It ammounted to litttle more than what he told his bourgeois audience in hamburg [more specificly, what he told the Hamburger Nationalklub on 28th feb 1926]: winning the workers over to nationalism, DESTROYING MARXISM [emphasis added] and overcoming the division between nationalism and socialism through the creation of a nebulous 'national community' (Volksgemeinschaft) -
theyounghistorian77 1 year ago
@GDHartman41 pt3) - based on racial purity and the concept of struggle. The fusion of nationalism and socialism would do away with the class antagonism between a nationalist bourgeoisie and Marxist Proletariat (both of which had failed in their political goals). -
theyounghistorian77 1 year ago
@GDHartman41 pt4) - This would be replaced by a 'Community of Struggle' where nationalism and socialism would be united, where 'brain' and 'fist' would be reconciled, and where - DENUDED OF MARXIST INFLUENCE - the building of a new spirit for the great future struggle of the people could be undertaken. Such ideas were neither new, nor original. And ultimately, they rested NOT ON ANY MODERN FORM OF SOCIALISM [emphasis added], -
theyounghistorian77 1 year ago
@GDHartman41 pt5) - but on the crudest and most brutal version of 19th century imperialist and social-Darwinistic notions. Social welfare in the trumpeted 'national community' did not exist for it's own sake, but to prepare for external struggle, for conquest 'by the sword'" - Ian Kershaw, "Hitler" (abridged) P181-182.
theyounghistorian77 1 year ago
@GDHartman41 pt6) And just so it's all clear
"Hitler was never a socialist" - ibid p269
Yes the nazis were right wing, They operated a capitalist economy with Private property and Profits And the political economy is the proper determiner for left and right. Period!
theyounghistorian77 1 year ago
@theyounghistorian77 Why was it called the Nationalist Socialist Workers Party? The regime had many socialist features. The government never confiscated private corporate property, but such property was tightly controlled. The present German government is similar to it, but without the huge military conquests and the genocide.
maskedavenger777 1 year ago
@maskedavenger777 pt1) Because what they really stood for was for a 'national revival' through terroristic anti-socialiam built upon the cynical manipulation and indoctrination of the masses [whom hitler hated] into nationalism and it didn't matter to hitler how the masses were won over, THE MAIN THING WAS THAT THEY WERE WON OVER! [emphasis added]
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@maskedavenger777 pt2)
The nationalism part should therfore be obvious, the 'German workers' part was the original title of Drexler's party who had a fear of eastern europeans [in paticular czechs] ie foreigners coming in and taking the 'German jobs'
"All they really wanted said Drexler, was "to be ruled by Germans" - John Toland, "Adolf Hitler" p86. So that part of the name came from the plain Right wing Xenophobia Drexler had!
theyounghistorian77 1 year ago
@maskedavenger777 pt3) Now onto the juicy bit, You must understand the word 'socialist' had great popular appeal in the late 19th and early 20th century in Europe and get this the conservative parties ALSO ADOPTED IT to try and tap into that appeal.
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@maskedavenger777 pt4) "In 1878...Conservatives founded right-wing antisemitic political parties based on race -using antisemitism in party platforms. "In Germany, political parties which sought to disenfrahise or in some other way to victimize Jews, described themselves from the first as ‘socialist.’ Hitler’s party, in step with this tradition, would later call itself national Socialist." - "The rise of mass politics & the new right, 1880-1900"
theyounghistorian77 1 year ago
@maskedavenger777 pt5) "Also, going back to the period of the "Socialists of the Chair' there was Adolf Stocker's Christian Social Movement, which, in a working alliance with the Conservative Party, aimed at reaching the workers [even] through anti-capitalistic and anti-Semitic slogans. [and remember that this "anti-capitalism" was very selective, just like Hitler they only attacked those areas they though had too much Jewish influence]
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@maskedavenger777 pt6) Stocker, who had a decisive influence upon German CONSERVATISM of the late nineteenth century, upon the Kaiser as well as Friedrich Naumann, also was one of the main precursors of National Socialism. The affinity between the new conservatism of the twentieth century and National Socialism, insofar as it existed, was already foreshadowed in him." - Klemens von Klemperer, "Germany's New Conservatism" p58
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@maskedavenger777 pt7) "In particular they identified the Jewish influence as the source of Germany's economic woes, political unrest, and moral decline. The remedies they proposed included the exclusion of Jews from positions of public authority(such as teaching and judicial posts) within what they defined as "the Christian state";
theyounghistorian77 1 year ago
@maskedavenger777 pt8) strict laws against usury; [as that was a traditional Christian value] protection of classes allegedly oppressed by Jewish middlemen; restrictions on the stock exchange; and heavier taxes on the profits from what they called "mobile capital." [Again this is not socialism but just program to remove the Jews and just the Jews, from economic society]
theyounghistorian77 1 year ago
@maskedavenger777 pt9) With this program, of course, Conservative anti-Semites joined a chorus of other Germans and Europeans who denounced the "Golden International." - James Retallack, "Anti-Semitism, Conservative propaganda and Regional Politics in Late Nineteenth Century Germany". German Studies Review, Vol. 11, no.3 (Oct 1988), pp. 377 -403.
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@maskedavenger777 pt10) "For in the service of their socio-economic goals Hammerstein and Stocker also argued for a more active style of Conservative politics. They believed that in some new commitment to Christian, social, and "popular" goals lay the key to giving Conservatism a stamp of popularity (Volkstiiinlichkeit)." - Retallack, Ibid.
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@maskedavenger777 pt11) Or how about asking about The Christian Social[ist] Party and Karl lueger who were very much conservative? It drew most of its support from the upper classes, and the Rural and clerical communities. Priests were not just Party candidates, but also active in the Executive of the Party. One priest, by the name of Ignaz Seipel, made it to the position of party chancellor.
theyounghistorian77 1 year ago
@maskedavenger777 pt12) And perhaps you may do well to explain this...
"Today, more than ever, I regard this man [Karl Lueger] as the greatest German mayor of all times. How many of my basic principles were upset by this change in my attitude toward the Christian Social movement! My views with regard to anti-Semitism thus succumbed to the passage of time, and this was my greatest transformation of all." - Mein Kampf – Vol 1- Chapter 2
theyounghistorian77 1 year ago
@maskedavenger777 pt13) So as you can see, there was a tradition of the political Right using the word 'socialist' in order to attempt to steal some of the populism that the term evoked at the time. And the name was chosen because Drexler and Hitler wanted to appeal to a wider audience.
theyounghistorian77 1 year ago
@maskedavenger777 pt14) "Drexler's party sought in the longer term to win the working class over from Marxism and enlist it in the pan-German cause. The fledgling party was in fact another creation of the hyperactive Thule Society. There was nothing unusual about Drexler or his tiny party in the FAR-RIGHT hothouse of Munich after the defeat of the revolution.", Richard Evans,"The Coming of the Third Reich", p170.
theyounghistorian77 1 year ago
@maskedavenger777 pt15) And we must remember Hitler's first assignment after the war, and where he first became acquainted with the party was just because he was a reliable and noticeable Right-winger.
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@maskedavenger777 pt16) "The courses Hitler attended were designed to root out any lingering socialist elements from the regular Bavarian troops and indoctrinate them with the beliefs of the far Right... So regularly did Hitler imbibe the ideas of such men that he was picked out by his superiors and sent as an instructor on a similar course in August 1919." - Evans, ibid , p169 .
theyounghistorian77 1 year ago
@maskedavenger777 pt17) From there he was sent on assignment to check on a small radical party and found Anton Drexler's small party who himself previously came from the Right-Wing fatherland party. It is no accident that their early meetings were held in the Thule society headquarters. And it was again Drexler that gave his party the antithetical name, and that issue was fiercely debated because some in the party thought the name might be misinterpreted by some to really mean socialist.
theyounghistorian77 1 year ago
@maskedavenger777 pt18) But they were clear amongst themselves that they really didn't mean socialism in the real world sense, but all they really meant was a 'national community' explained already.
theyounghistorian77 1 year ago
@maskedavenger777 pt19) And sorry, Nazi Germany had a dirigisme economy which is a form of capitalism, and Hitler a "reluctant dirigiste" at that because he only wanted to control the parts of the economy that were related to war. see R.J Overy "War and Economy in the Third Reich" p2.
theyounghistorian77 1 year ago
@maskedavenger777 pt20) Dirigisme capitalism is still capitalism and a gov't overseeing a nation's economy is nothing new, as a matter of fact that is one of the defining characteristics of government, all governments, especially as they are planning a war as the Nazis were. But do you know who else regulates the use of property? The much touted capitalist bastion of Hong Kong! Where all the land is owned by the government and must be leased from them.
theyounghistorian77 1 year ago
@maskedavenger777 pt21) Yes the Nazis were FAR right wing. Period And there is not one argument that can be made to counter this! And you clearly have no knowledge of Politics as you fail to recognise that Angela Merkel is herself on the Right, More to the point: The Centre Right like most reasonable conservatives are. OOPS!
theyounghistorian77 1 year ago
@theyounghistorian77 How do you define the socalled right wing today? What do right wingers stand for?
eric5335 1 year ago
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@eric5335 Well i've already stated this, the place that one takes on the political spectrum is determined by the position that one takes on the ownership of the means of production and the distribution of property and wealth in general. It is a political economy position. Other than Right wingers are free to agree or disagree with each other as much as they wish to. Same standards must apply to the left in order to retain consistency.
theyounghistorian77 1 year ago
@theyounghistorian77 Keepb up the good work James !
zsylvana 1 year ago
NAZI (a German acronym) translates to national socialist party.
"The term Nazi derives from the first two syllables of Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National Socialist German Workers’ Party, NSDAP)" - Wikipedia
GDHartman41 1 year ago
@GDHartman41 So? Kim Jung ll calls his gov't the People's Democratic Republic of North Korea.
"For him (Hitler), the Nazi socialists slogans had been merely propaganda, means of winning over the masses on his way to power. Now that he had the power, he was uninterested in them." - Wm Shier, "The Rise & Fall of the 3rd Reich," p. 205. Hitler couldn't have cared less about EGALITARIANISM and spreading the wealth...and he had socialists and commies shot.
lannytwo 1 year ago
This is retarded. Completely unbelievable.
SirDamienQFox 1 year ago
@SirDamienQFox
Well you know what they say, "Truth is stranger than fiction" - In this case, your inability to believe the truth proves that you've been completely brainwashed. As Benjamin Franklin said, "Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!"
Well what can you expect from someone whose frontpage features a video on how to make a joint, eh stoner dude?
RedwoodTheElf 1 year ago
"If you’re not producing as much as you consume or perhaps a little more, then, clearly, we cannot use the organizations of our society for the purpose of keeping you alive, because your life does not benefit us and it can’t be of very much use to yourself.[68]"
Shaw, however, often played the fool in order to mock those who took eugenics too seriously and many commentators have failed to realise this.
Two seconds on wikipedia and I found this video to be total shit. Go fuck yourself, Bruno.
SirDamienQFox 1 year ago
@SirDamienQFox
So you're an idiot who believes everything he reads on Wikipedia, which can be edited by anyone, including idiots like you.
I rest my case. You Lose.
RedwoodTheElf 1 year ago
@RedwoodTheElf pt1) Sorry but im not letting you get away here, The trouble with Beck's use of George Bernard Shaw is that he had a combination of Whacked out views plus a bizarre sense of humor, plus his rhetoric can be considered extremely Hyperbolic. A definite recipe for Quote-mining which is what i suspect here, Given Beck's well known record for Quote-mining. Show me the full video and prove me wrong someone!
theyounghistorian77 1 year ago
@RedwoodTheElf pt2) "Shaw...did not spare the eugenics movement his unpredictable mockery...[he] acted the outrageous buffoon at times." - Daniel J.Kevles, "In the name of eugenics: genetics and the uses of human heredity", p86.
theyounghistorian77 1 year ago
@RedwoodTheElf pt3) At any rate, the example of eugenics doesn't really work either, there were many adherents to eugenics that were Right Wing, Such as Prescott Bush, Henry Ford, and the republican congressman Albert Johnson who was the head of 'The Eugenics Research Association', a group which opposed interracial marriage and supported forced sterilization of the mentally disabled.
theyounghistorian77 1 year ago
@RedwoodTheElf pt4) In the UK. Churchill was in favour of eugenics, Arthur Balfour was also in favour of eugenics, and even Neville Chamberlain had some pro-eugenic thoughts, both of the last two were members of the Eugenics education society. In 1926 it became the British eugenics society. Eugenics was what it was, a wrong turn in science that was unfortunately picked up by many on the left, right and centre before it was found to be false and discarded. But that's not all...
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@RedwoodTheElf pt5) "The rise of the Nazis, and the rise of other anti-jewish right-wing parties in france and other continential countries, has put inter-war britain in a benign light. ... but the picture is too simple. For Britain had some ferociously anti-semitic groups too ... They emerged out of the Great war alongside anti-communist orginizations. -
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@RedwoodTheElf pt6) - The middle Classes Union, for instance and the British empire Union and angry groups such as the Silver Badge Party of ex-servicemen, run by the eccentric avaitior Pemberton Billings, who during the Great War had caused a sensation by claiming the germans had a "Black Book" containing the names of 47'000 highly placed perverts, -
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@RedwoodTheElf pt7) - and that the Kaiser's men were undermining Britain by luring her men into homosexual acts ... Such people tended to see Lloyd George's govt as a corrupt sell out and possibly under the influence of German Jews, much as the extreme right had seen things before the war of 1914." - Andrew Marr. "The Making of Modern Britian.", p290
theyounghistorian77 1 year ago
@RedwoodTheElf pt8) "Henry Hamilton Beamish, ... had set up an anti-semitic group called the Britons and had campaigned for jews to be resettled in Madagascar. By the late 30's he was publicly prophesying that Germany would have to invade Russia and place half the population in the Lethal Chamber: all jews must be sterilized, Killed or segregated" - ibid p291
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@RedwoodTheElf pt9) "Then there were secret groups like the Nordics and the "Right Club" run by a well known Conservative MP, Archibald Maule Ramsay; there was even a Nazi British version of the KKK, called the White Knights of Britain or the Hooded men." - ibid p291
yes im not joking, they actualy called themselves, "the Right Club" Funny isn't it?
theyounghistorian77 1 year ago
@RedwoodTheElf pt10) "These groups were quickly penetrated by British intellegence and their extreme language kept them far from mainstream politics, but they should not be entirely dismissed. The Brownshirts and other fascist groups in Weimar Germany had also been small, apparantly ridiculous, and fought vigorously amongst themselves. -
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@RedwoodTheElf pt11) - Had Britain been beaten in 1940, in the conditions of national collapse and a search for scapegoats, she had her Proto-Hitlers waiting in the wings, ready to call on an underground tradition of Anti-semitism that ran from Aristocrats to dockers" ibid p291
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@RedwoodTheElf pt12) "The Mitfords were not typical, but their interest in Far-Right Politics was not at all unusial for the upper classes of the 30's ... When war with Nazi Germany eventualy came, almost all of the British followers of fascism would drop their previous attachments and serve their country. -
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@RedwoodTheElf pt13) Only a tiny number became traitors ... But most of the wealthier British who fell out of love with the national government were lookng further to the right. Communism was their enemy, Not fascism" - ibid p324
theyounghistorian77 1 year ago
@RedwoodTheElf pt14) So Even Stating Shaw's position is meaningless to Beck's argument. These ideas weren't just Commonplace on the left, They were commonplace on the Right too and dont deny it!
I rest my case. You just got Pwnd badly, Now deal with it!
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(Yawn) Was hyu sayink someting? It's not my job to teach morons how to do deir own research inshtead uf believink everyting dey read on Wrong-o-pedia...
RedwoodTheElf 1 year ago
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@RedwoodTheElf
(Yawn) Were you trying to say something little Child? It's not my job to teach morons like you how to do their own research instead of believing everything Glenn Beck Screams at them!
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Sorry the fact remains. Nazis are Right wing and Hitler was never a socialist!. Period. And there is nothing you nor Beck can do to change this fact.
theyounghistorian77 1 year ago
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zsylvana 1 year ago
@zsylvana ???
It's one thing to disagree with Beck, It's another thing to suggest Beck himsef is anti-democratic
theyounghistorian77 1 year ago
@theyounghistorian77 Maybee pal :).But i don´t know?You saw him on vacation i Spain :P !take care!Keep up the good work mate!
zsylvana 1 year ago
@zsylvana
Hehe. That spanish clip was a great joke and im definitely going to try to use it in a future production, I think a certain Someone is going to be so Pissed when i do ;-)
theyounghistorian77 1 year ago
@theyounghistorian77 Ha ha ha!Yes do that!!It would be a pleasure if you put this litlle clip in :)! It´s not more than fair! Our pal "Glenn" do for sure a lot cut and paste with persons in his programs so they that Liberals became Faschist and Obama is a Maoist i think i heard him claim lately!So don´t be shy :)Just Give him :)!
zsylvana 1 year ago
100% correct.
DamnYourReallyUgly 1 year ago
@DamnYourReallyUgly pt1) So it's "100% correct" you say? Well let's make an example and pick apart the title shall we? This is the original German.
"Alle andern großen und kleinen Stämme und Völker haben zunächst die Mission, im revolutionären Weltsturm unterzugehen. Daher sind sie jetzt kontrerevolutionär."
theyounghistorian77 1 year ago
@DamnYourReallyUgly pt2) It’s in the "Magyar struggle" Nowhere in that phrase do i see the word 'Holocaust'. [Instead, It's 'Worldstorm'. Different Word methinks] Beck simply made the word Holocaust up. He only uses the word Holocaust only because it reminds people of the horrors of the Nazi regime. It is a DELIBERATE LIE to convince his credulous viewers that the Nazis are related to Marx
theyounghistorian77 1 year ago
@DamnYourReallyUgly pt3) And by 'revolutionary Worldstorm', Engels was referring to the ongoing event of the revolutionary fervour sweeping europe at the time. 1848 to 1849.
3w's [.] britannica[.]com [/]EBchecked [/]topic [/]181144 [/] Revolutions-of-1848
In this context, Engels was writing about 'revolutionary' and 'counterrevolutionary' nations and he is not calling for any notion of Genocide, he just predicting that 'counterrevolutionary' nations will perish because of circumstance.
theyounghistorian77 1 year ago
how come they dont show the part where henry ford supported the nazis and his relationship with hitler not to mention his racist and anti semit views?
cooks1234 1 year ago
@cooks1234 Because that's irrelevant to the point he's making. Henry Ford has nothing to do with the similarities between communism and nazism
supercrazylegs1 1 year ago
@supercrazylegs1 pt1) And what 'similarities' are they? Only the ones that can be found in the fact both were totalitarian regimes and totalitarianism itself being something which can exist on either the Right or the Left as the size of Govt is NOT how we determine both factors in the first place. At any rate, even that's superficial due to the fact Hitler exhibited a Different kind of totalitarianism from Stalin.
theyounghistorian77 1 year ago
@supercrazylegs1 pt2) Beck here only draws self-serving and superficial false conclusions from perverted and purposefully misrepresented events. He is no more than the Kent Hovind of historical interpretation. He is a joke, and if he tried to present his BS about the nazis to the historical community, he would be (and is anyway) laughed at like Hovind is laughed at by the scientific community.
theyounghistorian77 1 year ago
@theyounghistorian77 In case you don't remember, I have argued with you once and I will not attempt to argue with you again because trying to argue with you is like arguing with a brick wall. You ignored every point I made last time and did nothing but fill my inbox with book citations that rarely had anything to do with the points I made. You're a pseudo intellectual who is obviously more interested in picking fights with people and trying to look smart than actually being smart.
supercrazylegs1 1 year ago
@supercrazylegs1 Yea Of course you can't care what real world academics say, Of course you like dismissing real knowledge as 'liberal', and just like Beck you like making up ridiculous connections that don't really exist. Of course you have to distort reality because reality doesn't support you for as Colbert say's; "reality has a well known liberal bias" So now all you can do is make ad-homs simply because i crushed you before, and i can do it again
theyounghistorian77 1 year ago
@theyounghistorian77 Well done, TYH.
DaHonestAbe 1 year ago
@DaHonestAbe Thanks, I only wonder if it pains all the beck-heads at all that a 21 yr old can debunk this crock of shit on the nazis line by line. But then i guess it really doesn't take much to expose Beck and Goldberg for the quote-mining fools and liars they really are. Oh and you should already know what's in the works ;-)
theyounghistorian77 1 year ago
@theyounghistorian77 I do know what's in the works, and I can't wait to watch it. I saw you posted Dr. Matthew Feldman's response to liberal fascism. He openly challenged Jonah to a debate, but as far as I know, Jonah didn't accept. And lord knows his scared ass wont. He wrote that book to muddy history, and those who muddy history are too cowardly to debate.
DaHonestAbe 1 year ago
@DaHonestAbe well that's because 'not debating' is the best way to defend one's delusions, But could you imagine what would happen if Beck invited me on to debate the nazi segment of this programme?
i would humiliate him, and can do it so badly like i can with the rest of his credulous followers but then so can you. In fact i think anyone with a decent education can!
take care
theyounghistorian77 1 year ago
@theyounghistorian77 Good day, my friend.
DaHonestAbe 1 year ago
@theyounghistorian77 By the way, don't bother writing anything back because I won't read it.
supercrazylegs1 1 year ago
Oh, help me, I'm wading into the pool of idiocy that is the world of Glenn Beck...
While Shaw DID support eugenics, and, yes, killing people, they have on fact wrong here--shaw did NOT want to kill according to genetics, as that man said, or class or race or anything like that, but, as Shaw said, based on whether or not someone was functioning in society.
He was NOT a proponet of ethnic cleansing, he'd, say want to kill drug dealers--still BAD, but NOT genetic or racial, a was claimed.
obiwanobiwan13 1 year ago
@obiwanobiwan13
ROFL. Well that's OK then, lets just kill people based on class or education? Who gets to decide who lives and dies. YOU? The "Experts"?, People who have money and power to *influence opinion*.
Do us a favour and march yourself into a gas chamber.
BarringtonDailey 1 year ago
0:25 - "Hitler's underlying admiration for Marxism is obvious."
Really Beck Glenn? Is this why Hitler sent communists to the death camps along with the Jews and homosexuals?
Do you stupid dopes out there who watch this stuff ever bother to actually read Marx or Hitler?
Mein Kampf is FULL of Hitler's contempt for communists. Marx was born a Jew; many Bolshevik leaders were Jews (Trotsky et al), which was the underlying rationale for the Jewish extermination.
TV-watching idiots.
bapyou 1 year ago
@DaHonestAbe In his first interview after being named Prime Minister, said his new economic policy was named, "Corporatism", the marriage of government and business. "What I don't seize, I will intimidate. "No business is entitled to one lira ($) of profit that doesn't benefit the State!" His name was Mussolini, a Communist until 1919.
what happened?
Quasimoto44 1 year ago
@DaHonestAbe The reality is that "fascism, without the militant exploitation, was proposed by the most radical of all the Communist theorists, Georges Eugene Sorel. He said that some highly e