ALCO (MLW)- EMD sound battle at Foleyet, Ont. 9/20/95

[GordonFreemanD40]

the ALCO sounds like the Hogwarts Express :D

[TrainTrackTrav]

What a sound! What ever happened to the HR616s? Great video, God bless!

[1jackdk]

@TrainTrackTrav There was only 20 HR616 built Travis. They where built in 1982, and retired early 1990's. The HR stood for high reliability, which they where not. Lots of electrical problems. The 616 was for 6 axles, 16 cylinder. Some where scraped, some went to NRE in Illinois. I can find nothing about them on their site. So how knows where they are now. Thanks for watching. Jackmp294.5...

[shadowknight227]

MLW! I love that chufff to it. That is also why i like all the GE standard cabs. The widecabs just plain old suck

[farmguy2400]

Why the second one is smoking so much ? Can it be that the first one isn't pulling at all or very little

[GordonFreemanD40]

@farmguy2400 ALCOs have smokey engines while EMDs emit very little fumes.

[TheSterlingLoopTroop]

what is MLW ??????

[1jackdk]

@TheSterlingLoopTroop MLW is Montreal Locomotive Works. They took over Alco, (American Locomotive Company) when Alco quit building locomotives in the USA...

[trainfart]

Very Nice! Great smoke show!

Thank you!

[DeserTBoB93535]

The SD-40's a far better machine. Alco never had enough R&D money to get their act together on fuel metering and better turbochargers. The turbo used on the 251 is an ancient Bucci-Elliot design that was obsolete when it was first built. WAY too much mass.

[formidable38]

@DeserTBoB93535 Yeah for sure, an Alco's turbo is the deffinition of lag hence the black smoke!

[choirboyfromhell1]

@DeserTBoB93535 The early GE's (Cooper-Bessemer) used Elliotts (as did Nordberg's, some Enterprises and Baldwins). The Alco's I've worked on used their own (Alco-GE) design dating from the 1940-50's after they went to water-cooled types on the 244's. But yes, they always had a lag problem, less so if they used expensive exhaust multi-pipe headers (8 on some 16-cyl. applications).

[gebass6]

Ah yes!The HR 616!I had the joy of experiencing one of these at Blue Island il. back in the mid 90's.I heard it before I saw it!!Sounds like an old GE but much more gutteral.and loud!!Loved it!

[LS6Z28]

Its a good thing that EMD was there to pull that alco

[connrail]

those old Alcos will drown out the EMDs any day

[avinashi07]

nice battle ! I prefer ALCOs to EMDs anyday ! and In India ALCOs cannot be MUED to EMDs but in Canada it seems it can be done !

[1jackdk]

@avinashi07 Glad you enjoyed it. The ALCO's, GE's, and EMD's all where able to MU here in the states, and Canada. I am not sure that the Baldwin's and FM's where capable of mu'ing with anything other than their makes. Thanks for watching...

[bassman34516]

@1jackdk I know that the baldwins could not be mated with any other make due to their pneumatic control system but i do remember seeing an old photo of an union pacific "Cities" train that had an E unit on the point and a alco PB, B unit Erie Built and a PA powering the train so i guess F/M's could be mated with other builders

[TheJohndeereboi]

The SD 40 Has Great Sound 

[GhostFearMe]

amazing catch..ima developing Alcoholic...but the SD40-2 also didnt sound half bad

[1jackdk]

@GhostFearMe Thats for sure. They both sound great together. Thanks for watching...

[TLew01]

thanks jack!!  i sure love this video

[sneadfootball]

that is one beautiful sound!!!

[TrainTrackTrav]

WOW! To tell the truth, that HR616 looks just like a C40-8M to me.

[wirerail]

Or maybe a C40-8M looks like a HR616.

[TrainTrackTrav]

Heheh. The only distinkt the that stands out that it's an ALCo, is the smoke (LOL) and the chugging is much louder. I've seen a C40-8M, I wasn't that loud, however it smoked WAAAAAAAAY more than that. HHMMMMMM?

[CarNutandTrainNut2]

Nice vid Jack.

5's and a fav.

[Railrodder]

Very Nice! Great smoke show!

If you are ever going to be in the Kingston Ontario area,message me!

Please feel free to check out my channel. My rail videos are mostly from the Kingston area.

[6V92TA]

man thats a beautiful sound!! jus like listenin to an SD40 or SD50 pull with a C-40-8 at full throttle.

[blueticecho]

HELL, what really is amazing is that in this drag not one car was graffiti....

[Railfan88]

wow amazing sound

[PunkyBear36]

Sadly, the CN isn't like this anymore.

[RailFanDavid]

i really like the sound of that ALCO.i wish CN still had their C630s and C636s in use.i miss them.

[BNSFbeagrett9647]

Listen to those tigers growl!!! Lol. That's awsome, nice shot 5* and a fav!

[robmasterman]

Another superb video Jack, what is it about these older machines that appeal so much, no matter what part of the World you come from, Is it their masculine power without all this mamby pamby modern stuff....who does it's just amazing to watch...5* Bob

[1jackdk]

This is what railroading is all about Bob. A good hogger knows just what to do, and this is roll up your sleeves, and get down to business railroading. No computers to cut back the motors when the wheels slip, 2% controled slip on a pull, and all the other crap the computers do. jack

[robmasterman]

These are the skills that sorted out the men from the boys Jack, but it's all changing and not for the best...when things go wrong now, they don't have the experience to sort things out...Bob

[8747csx]

@1jackdk Yeah ALCOs are notorius slippers! Thats an under statement. The center axle has no traction motor. The throttle handle on ALCOs is extremely long and you have to use both hands to notch up or down.

[cheeko122]

5* et favorite i'tsa SD40 for the leader and a HR616 for helper unit excellent.

[pahogger]

Very nice, I too love the Alco's. Cool vid!

[pwalpar]

Great sound, nothing wrong with being adicted to Alco's 5*

[1jackdk]

Your not kidding Walter. I'm certainly proud of my Alcoholism, and never even thought about joining the AAA... LOL. Thanks for watching. Take care, Jackmp294

[FastFlyingVirginian]

Great sound. Oh, and Jack...I know of a great 1-step treatment program for 'Alcoholism' - you just have to listen to a normally aspirated EMD. Any one will do, but the 567 is most effective. :)

[1jackdk]

Thats for sure!!! I have no problem listening to that music either...

[iusetano]

That brings back memories for me. They awesome beasts to watch. Chugging and smoking all the way. It's all about the power. Thanks for sharing.

[SLSF1522]

Well, I have to say the Alco wins for the smoke contest!

[1jackdk]

That it does!!! But heck! It would be an ALCO if it didn't.

[csxketh1]

5***** and a favorite. Great video!