British land regardless of how close to Argentina it is. Accept it and move on. The only part of the Falklands that is Argentine is the conscripts they sent to their deaths to face one of the best special forces in the world. Concentrate on your own political issues instead of diverting the Argentine's public attention away from your backwards country.
YO CREO QUE NUNCA VI TANTA DESESPERACIÓN EN LOS INGLESES PIRATAS. ELLOS TIENEN LA FUERZA, EL PODERIO MILITAR, PERO NOSOTROS EL INTELECTUAL Y LA VERDAD... Y ESO VERDADERAMENTE LES ASUSTA... Y SABEN, QUE EL RESTO DEL MUNDO SE ESTÁ DANDO CUENTA... SON TAN CULTOS E INTELIGENTES, QUE EN UN DESESPERADO ACTO, LLAMAN A NUESTRA PRESIDENTA "BITCH"... POBRES, DAN LÁSTIMA...
LAS MALVINAS SON ARGENTINAS, Y LA VERDAD UN INGLES CON UN POCO DE CEREBRO LO SABES, SON COLONIALISTAS, SON CHORROS Y NO TIENEN NINGUN TIPO DE ARGUMENTO PARA DECIR QUE SON DE USTEDES.
@MrLeodaniel They call US colonialists! How the hell do a bunch of Spanish and Italians end up in a country in South America? Colonialism! They were still massacaring the Patagonian Indians when we where settled in the Falklands. And they now want to...yes colonialise the Falklands!
You really have to worry about the intelligence of these people. They are as good thinkers are they are fighters! What a pathetic bunch.
I'm sorry for my last comment. Was abit nasty. To be honest guys I'm really bored of this shit. Nothing is going to happen so let's all calm down. Argentina are going to continue "claiming", the British government and Falklanders are going to say piss off, and oil IS going to be extracted from the waters surrounding the islas las Falklanders. Also Britain and the Falklanders will become richer because of this. Haha!
I found an explanation in Spanish, sorry, but you can see the date...El pago se realizó en concepto de indemnización a una empresa privada, la Compagnie de Saint-Maló, por lo que no se trató de una compra de las islas a Francia.35 El reconocimiento francés a la soberanía española de las islas aumentó los derechos jurídicos de España sobre ellas.36
El primer día de abril de 1767 España recibió formalmente las islas en Port Saint-Louis, quedando los ciento quince colonos franceses bajo el gobierno de Felipe Ruiz Puente, que había arribado al archipiélago con las fragatas Liebre y Esmeralda, siendo acompañado desde Montevideo por Bougainville en la fragata La Boudeuse.37
Esta nueva colonia pasó a depender administrativamente del Gobernador y Capitán General de Buenos Aires, en aquel tiempo Francisco de Paula Bucarelli y Ursúa.38
To spido 1000, well, my answer will be polite and no rude like yours, if you have losses there we have more, and think, what would you say if Argentina gets an island 400 miles off from Britain shore? It is the distance between Argentina and Malvinas, how many miles are from Malvinas and Britain?
To Anonymus, yes, British got off local people and after that they put people from Britain, in 1835 there were a few inhabitants there, .... I will look at a site where you can get that data....
When the British expelled the illegal United Provinces military from the British Falklands in 1833 (26 men who had landed illegally a few weeks earlier) the Vernet civilian colonists remained and were not expelled because Vernet had permission for his settlement.
Advice to Argentinians: Steal your nation's land from its first inhabitants Amerindians (it's OK to exterminate them a bit), then lecture the British about how evil and colonial they are by taking a nearby island from penguins.
La posicion economica de los Ingleses bastardos se basa en el saqueamiento de otros Paises atravez de la sofisticacion de sus armamentos y gracias a ello ese PEQUEÑO Pais sin RECURSOS NATURALES se sostuvo a lo largo de la Historia.......
The members of the newly former CELAC (Community of Latinamerican and Caribbean States) unanimously approved one month ago a document in support of Argentina’s claim and anticipated they would request the intervention of UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon. The document reiterates the standing interest of Latinamerica and the Caribbean that the UK accepts to hold talks with Argentina so as to find “on the shortest time possible” a peaceful and definitive solution to the dispute.
What do you think if some invader take over UK and take its people off and put its people into that territory and after a century british people want to return there? What do you say?
How do you call whom kill or take off people from any place to other place and there put people from their country? British done that in 1835, they taken off the local population and brought people from Britain, so are they local people?
@gualok2 This is so boring. You Argetninians are so childish. The Falklands belong to Britain, they have been for nearly 200 years, and they will belong to Britain for another 200 years. Do you people think that we will just hand them over to you after losing over 250 servicemen back in 82?? I wish that ugly plastic faced Kercher of yours did have cancer! Then she'd shut the fuck up!
@spidos1000 i agree with you. I'm form argentina, and i wish my president really had cancer, she ruins everything and she says stupid things all the time. She has boosted confrontation (which is something she loves to do) between social classes inside Argentina. Too bad we are represented by this woman. The kirchenrs have been in government for 10 years, and will surely be much more, sadly.
@hpatdh077 como podes desear que tenga cancer alguien y encima traicionero pedazo de hijo de puta te cagaria tanto a trompadas si te encuentro te lo juro
@hpatdh077 La verdad sos la persona mas idiota que lei en tiempo, desear que nuestra presidenta tenga cancer?,sos idiota, alguien que dice idioteces es idiota, agrego a lo que te dijeron despues que te cague a trompadas el otro te cago a trompadas yo, idiota!!!
@hpatdh077 It's good to hear not all Argentinians are obsessed with bothering a bunch of kelpers on a small island. I was glad to read recently about some intelligentsia in Argentina asking the president to stop obsessing over the Falklands.
She is an embarrassment to your country. I hope you get rid of her soon and elect a president who wants to take Argentina forward and make it prosper - not obsess over the Falklands. The entire world is getting bored of her now.
Mr James Peck and his family. Received several death threats after he decided to become an argentine citizen a few months ago. His inbox was packed and he received phone calls by British people telling him he'll get shot and tortured if he dared to return to the islands.
Dr Mike Bingham also suffered death threats as well as serious also an attack on his vehicle (a bomb) that could have killed him.
So, if the British Falklands aren't a colony, then they should be taken off the UN list of non self governing territories, and argentina should stop whining about alleged colonialism.
@EddieExile In May 2008, the UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon urged colonial powers "to complete the decolonization process in every one of the remaining 16 Non-Self-Governing Territories" but Britain refuses to leave control at the hands of the islanders and votes against decolonization in 2011. The Governors are still being sent from England.
The UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon declared on 8 May 2010 “The world’s 16 territories that do not govern themselves must have complete freedom in deciding their future status”,
The UN states "a Non-Self-Governing Territory can reach a full measure of self-government by “Free association with an independent State”
This is the status chosen by the Falkland Islanders - a self governing Overseas Territory of the UK and EU - with the UK covering foreign affairs and defence.
"Deeply disturbed at reports of an invasion on 2 April 1982 by armed forces of Argentina and DEMANDS an immediate withdrawal of all Argentine forces from the Falkland Islands.
The UK denies the Chagos Islanders' rights by banning them to return to their homeland. Where is their self determination? Argentina won't talk to the 'F' islanders since they're being governed and controlled by the UK. 'Loyal subjects' of the Queen, who according to British fairy tales, has 'Supreme Authority' there. Hence, Argentina is acting logically and asking the administering power to accept several UN resolutions that kept urging for decades to negotiate about sovereignity without delay.
The Argentine soldiers and people wildly supported the invasion in 1982 and the soldiers were the same age as the British with the same or better weapons, equipment and boots.
The UN Charter and Resolution 1514 (XV) specify the principles of equal rights and SELF- DETERMINATION OF ALL PEOPLES include the British Falkland Islands.
In 1833, the British authorities expelled the illegal United Provinces military (Captain Pinedo and 25 soldiers who had landed illegally a few months before) from the British Falklands but the existing 39 Vernet colonists from a variety of nations had British permission and were encouraged to remain and were not expelled.
The wishes of the islanders are taken into consideration since the UK uses UN Resolutions that were created to free people from European and British oppression (irony?).
Were the "Falklanders" oppressed like Africans that were victims of the illegal aggression of Britain and Europe?
NEVER!! BECAUSE they were ALWAYS WHITE BRITISH citizens!!
Hence, the territory was never a colony but a colonial outpost.
"A special and particular case of colonialism" says the UN, which will be treated as so.
Los ingleses Tampoco Reconocian la soberania argentina en ningun punto de su territorio,, lee un poco sobre la Vuelta de Obligado, en la que se planeaba el control del rio de la plata.Y las dos invaciones inglesas a buenos aires luego de su independencia.. años mas tarde reconocieron la soberania y independencia argentina, lo que incluye a las malvinas si fuera por lo que vos decis.. buenos aires tampoco era reconocido como de argentina porque ellos intentaron invadirlo en dos oportunidades
The UN Decolonization Committee today adopted a consensus resolution reiterating that the way to end the “special and particular” colonial situation in Malvinas is through peaceful, negotiated settlement of the sovereignty dispute between Argentina and the UK. By the terms of the text, introduced by Chile’s representative, the Committee regretted that, despite widespread international support for negotiations, longstanding General Assembly resolutions on that question hadn't been implemented.
What law gave the British in 1833 to Argentine-born residents in the islands who were expelled, killed children and raped women?
Argentina may consider the rights of the present inhabitants English, but their interests and a population that is implanted
The Malvinas are Argentina, the first human beings were born there in Argentina, England admitted the sovereignty until 1833 that the encroaching......
Que derecho le dieron los ingleses en 1833 a los habitantes argentinos nacidos en las islas que fueron expulsados, asesinados a los niños y mujeres violadas?
Argentina puede considerar Los derechos de los Actuales Habitantes Ingleses, pero no sus intereses ya que es una poblacion implantada
Las malvinas son ARGENTINAS, Los primeros seres humanos nacidos ahi eran ARGENTINOS, INGLATERRA ADMITIO LA SOBERANIA HASTA 1833 QUE LAS USURPO
Stupid war... we sent 18 years old kids with obsolete weapons, cheap footwear and clothes, and no training at all. We were blinded and led to war by an alcoholic dictator who tried to save his government by going to war against a major military force. Thos kids who lie in the Malvinas o Falklands are heroes. The had to be chasing girls, not fighting a war with toy guns!!!!!
That law gave the British in 1833 to Argentine-born residents in the islands who were expelled, killed children and raped women?
Argentina may consider the rights of the present inhabitants English, but their interests and a population that is implanted
The Malvinas are Argentina, the first human beings were born there in Argentina, England admitted the sovereignty until 1833 that the encroaching......
@111jasy111 shut up you bellend! The people who control them will name them as they please. So basically there's no such thing as the fuckin las islas malvinas.
the Malvinas aren't a nation and have no right to self-determination; should Muslim areas of Bradford be allowed to join Pakistan if they wish? The Malvinas were seized by force by Britain in 1833 and the colonists who live there have no right whatsover to 'opt out' of Argentinian jurisdiction. The UK's stance is hypocritical when you consider the population of Diego Garcia, who were forcibly deported from the island by the British government. Not much respect for self determination there!
@BillDFC yes if they haven't been claimed by another country. There are areas of antarctica still up for grabs btw. Although argentina has put a claim on the british antarctic territory , would you believe it.
@chatteyj because they believe everything close to them belongs to them they even believe chile to be part of their country. if they got all the areas they claim no doubt that they would claim on brazil and africa as part of argentina they are just imperalist not a good trait to inherit from spain if you ask me
@TheLazyman555 You imply that British imperialism is the correct trait to inherit? Even today, the UK bans the Chagos Islanders to return to their homeland.
@111jasy111 your right the islnders should be given their islnd back thank you for showing that point to me. but the question remains why is argentina claiming on terriotories that have been in british control longer than they have been in argentine also the anartic they have little hisory their still they claim on it because it close to them even you must think their asking for to much
@TheLazyman555 It's not Argentina asking for a peaceful negotiation over this sovereignity dispute. It's the UN, through several Resolutions of the General Assembly. Thank you. Britain claiming territories on the other side of the world in the 21st century is basically a fallacy. They are all remenants of British imperialism and fortunately the UN Decolonization Committee is taking care of the situation. BTW, last year the UN rejected Britain's claim to extend their waters in Ascension island.
@111jasy111 21st century those islands have been british longer than argentina has been a nation. also land isn't owned by no one the island didn't have a native population until the french came and settled the island then left. then we came and did the same things but because of economic downturn we where forced off by the spanish. your supposed eviction is false because the people removed where british and american mersenaries who refused to fight their homeland.
@TheLazyman555 Not false at all. Also your country had abandoned the islands for half a century when Argentina started settling. No British flag was waving. No proof of British ownership. Empty place. Britain had left. Still you tell me that land isn't owned by no one while British troops were sent 8000 miles to illegally expell argentines at gunpoint. It could be barely understandable at the times of the British empire, since its history is based on loot and abuse, but not in the 21st century.
@111jasy111 i like our debate but their was proof of british ownership. if you didn'y know before we left the island the royal navy had left a plaque stating it was under british jurstiction
@TheLazyman555 That plaque is one of the best British fairy tales I've ever heard regarding this subject. A tiny, rusty metal plaque supposedly located on a far far away distant islet of many in the archipielago. That has a be record. Usurping land that easily is perhaps the best way to explain how Britain managed to expand their domains all over the world. Pure lies. And ground forces.
@TheLazyman555 Those vets, they support what I say. And most of them are aware they were sent to a wrong war. They would not find peace until the UN decides to put an end to this situation and force the UK to enter talks. Remember almost 200 countries are currently pushing. Argentina is not alone anymore.
@111jasy111 those 200 countries want talks to stop the argument but not for a handover and britain doesn't care howmany countries say we should leave where staying till the islanders tell us them selfs so fuck off and don't reply because ou don't speak for the falklands the islanders do
@111jasy111 okay but you make it sound like they are all gathering up for international invasion of islands. what would talks get anyway the islanders would have to be the representives and they don't want talks so it whats gonna happen is one side making demands ie: argentina and the other looking on thinking this goes against the constitution if we accept the islands is touchy subject and it pisses off the islanders if you talk about it that way just like gibraltar
@TheLazyman555 Sorry but Gibraltar is another British swindle. Britain stole more territory, like the Istmus, the southern part of the peninsula, gaining land from Algeciras Bay, etc. Also Gibraltar is on the UN list of Non-Decolonized Territories like Malvinas/Falklands. Those two cases are the only ones where the UN officially recognizes a sovereignity dispute. And without negotiations there won't be a solution. The islanders are loyal subjects of the British crown hence we will talk to the UK
@111jasy111 you don't understand the falklands is self governing the only thing they don't control is foreign policy and defence which is under the command of the british goverment and the problem is the goverment of falklands doesn't want talks so cannot be any talks. and by the way the UN was set up by the UK america russia and france to encourage international peace howwever it isn't their for countries to claim terriotory back from other because it doesn't have the power to do so.
"Invites to proceed without delay to find a peaceful solution to the problem"
UN Resolution 3160 (XXVIII) December 1973
"Declares the need to accelerate the negotiations in order to arrive at a peaceful solution of the conflict of sovereignty. Urges to proceed without delay with the negotiations."
UN Resolution 31/49 December 1976
"Requests to expedite the negotiations concerning the dispute over sovereignty."
@TheLazyman555 The UK brought British subjects who didn't respond to the criterion of subjected peoples, giving rise to a colonial territory with no colonial population. There wasn't a population subjected but rather British subjects whose situation hadn't changed since the UK put them there. In this case, claiming rights of self-determination simply amounts to the UK claiming self-determination for itself.
@111jasy111 the same applys to argentina if it brought people over to live their. the fact of the matter is that the brits where the ones who discovred the islands we set foot on them first we wern't the first to settle but neither was argentina thrir was two permanment british settlments on the islands but were forced off due to spanish threats of war because brits would have had a navel base next to spanish colial coast. then argentina came last out of all the nations to settle
A los necios que piensas que los españoles exterminaron a los nativos sudamericanos, tal como SÍ LO HICIERON LOS ANGLOSAJONES Y FRANCESES EN NORTEAMÉRICA, un descendiente de diaguitas (aborígenes de Sudamérica) les espeta: MALVINAS ARGENTINAS!
@maugtx2 Despite the cemetery, despite the suffering caused to Argentina, there are still some anonymous imperialist cowards prepared to allow their own countrymen to be maimed and die for a nineteenth century imperialist idea. Grow up and concentrate your efforts on looking after the victims of the 1982 war which have been so badly treated by Argentina!
@alanheath3 Esta perfecto lo que comentas sobre el colonialismo del siglo XIX, por eso es muy buen momento para que UK reconosca de una buena vez la legitima e indicutible soberania Argentina sobre las Islas Malvinas, Orcadas, Georgias y Sanwitch del sur.
TARDE O TEMPRANO, DENTRO DE 10 AÑOS O 10 DIAS VAMOS A VOLVER!!!
@maugtx2 En vez de esta agresion i imperialismo del siglo XIX porque no haces algo para ayudar los victimas de la guerra que los fascistas como tu han hecho? No entiendo 'vamos a volver', dudo que hayas estado alli.
@alanheath3 Mi estimado voy a comentarte algo que seguramente desconoces, la causa "MALVINAS" es algo pendiente que esta grabado a fuego en el corazon de todos los Argentinos, por mas que pasen 1000 años en las escuelas se les enseña a los niños que las Islas Malvinas son las "hermanitas perdidas", es un sentimiento al que jamas vamos a renunciar. VAMOS A VOLVER lo digo como Argentino, LA BANDERA ARGENTINA VA A VOLVER A FLAMEAR EN PUERTO ARGENTINO.
@maugtx2 Estoy de acuerdo. Porque ninos en la escuela se lavan el celebro de muy joven. En el Reino Unido no se hace eso, entonces nadie cree el las islas Faroes por ejemplo son britanicas. Al contrario, no se ensenan en las escuelas argentinas (supongo) que la tierra de Argentina fue expropriado de los indigenos. Los Argentinos vienen de Europa. Al fin que la propaganda nationalista esta usada en escuelas para lavar el celebro de ninos, nunca habra paz.
@alanheath3 Hola. Si bien tengo una forma de pensar mas moderada que maugtx2, tengo que decirte que el tema Malvinas no es un capricho para Argentina. Existen fundadas razones para los reclamos de soberanía, de lo que ya hemos hablado con Olenka y Eddie. Estas razones pueden ser enfrentadas con argumentos que no parecen descabellados de la otra parte británica, pero los nuestros no son argumentos infundados.
@alanheath3 es la historia sin fin del huevo y la gallina... en resumen Argentina no hubiese entrado en Guerra en 1982 si Inglaterra no hubiese echado a patadas a los habitantes Argentinos de Malvinas en 1833.
Argentina habia heredado las islas del imperio Español, no hay mas excusas, Inglaterra arrojo la primer piedra, y Argentina no estara en PAZ hasta recuperar lo que es NUESTRO!!! VAMOS A VOLVER!!! SOLOS O CON LA AYUDA DE TODA SUDAMERICA UNIDA!!! VIVA LA PATRIA!!
@alanheath3 Aparentemente sos una persona bastante coherente con la que se puede dialogar con respeto, te hago una consulta, porque UK no escucha las resoluciones de la ONU (UN)? Porque USA actua o amenaza militarmente a paises que desobedecen las resoluciones de la ONU? (IRAK, Corea del norte)
Te apostaria hasta lo que no tengo que si el conflicto de Malvinas se deja en manos de un arbitraje "SERIO" internacional la bandera Argentina vuelve a flamear alli en dias.
@maugtx2 No quiero escribir del ONU que es algo de que no se mucho. No me parece que el Reino Unido no escucha las resoluciones. No me parece tampoco que los EEUU ha amenazado Corea del Norte.
En cuanto a las Malvinas no veo lo que hay de arbitrar. Si la poplación quiere arbitración, entonces no hay problema.
Esta fue una guerra politica. Como todas. Muchos ingleses se enteraron de la existencia de Malvinas cuando empezo la guerra. Esta a miles de kilomtros, al pueblo ingles no le hace falta, no les interesa. Es cuestion de orgullo de sus ministros...
As an Argentinean, I think that this war was useless, only causing the death of hundreds of young people with a future ahead of them and creating hate between two countries...
I still can't get how stupid people are on my country to vote the same people, over and over. We will never be a 1st world country again...
I can only hope to move to Europe when I get older.
I used to think as you do about us, but the point is there are never "votable" candidates. Sadly, well educated and instructed people dont turn into politics, thats why we have what we have. If there were other kind of politicians to vote people would vote for them, no doubt abot that. But if choices are all crap you are just gonna get crap, whatever you vote to.
no surrender any aggression should be met with uk nuclear missiles pointed at buenous airies. argentina got israeli mines etc. if usa, jewish hawks in usa don't support uk we should nuke argentina and leave war on terror.
no surrender we need the falklands for oil. teh uk is a nuclear power, think twice diego. if we can't afford to send troops a nuclear missile is much cheaper and effective for us so i would keep quiet.
Fucking english, why does Scotland, Wales and Ireland hate England? England has no more power in the world. Without EUA, England would not exist at this moment. In less than 100 years Argentina will recover the Malvinas because the Argentina's GDP will exceed the one of England. You shoult return peacefully or we will do a new war, but in different terms than the one of 1982. Furthermore, we will kill all kerlpers and give their bodies to the seals as food.
@Diego3145 you are an idiot. so you say we should give the islands to you 'peacefully' yet you want to murder all the people there? you are nothing more than a squatter that got his just desserts and your attitude is just one example why we will not let the islanders down. ignorant prick.
'Diego3145 .A war on new terms? ha ha.Would that be a war where you launch your sailors on the backs of Dolphins and you bomb by Pigeon post!!!You have NO capacity to wage war....Over 30 years of nothing new purchased for ANY of the armed forces...No aircraft carriers...a sub thats been in port for renovation since 1997(San Louis) & because your broke you cant complete the work...google it....It would take you a 100 years just to get your militarily to a satisfactory level let alone beat us.
@Diego3145 you do know we have our new subs ships and planes waiting for your army ?.and we got a lot more troops on the islands than there was in 1982.and scotland irland and wales will all help the english if you invade the falklands. you can moan on the net as long as you want but you know you will never take our land. what your people did to the british people on them islands when you try take them last time was sic. you took there homes and use them as a toilet,
@davebrdshw Ingles: this islands is not your land. You have got it because always have been placed your nose in everywhere, trying to get all that you can, by force. Like or not, this is the truth. Threre isn´t any other explanation: you´re the bigest pirates. Take out the patch from you eyes, so you may be can see reality a little best.
@chou2382 - but the same most of the ancestors of Argentinians did - they came from Europe to the New World. Just like rhe settlers from Britain who came to the Falklands. There is no difference here. Just the same situation. People who were born there have right to decide about the future.
@OlenkaWagner Uds aducen el derecho de autodeterminación con malicia, ya que en realidad no les interesa para nada los isleños. A tu gobierno lo único que le importa es la cuenca pesquera y los yacimientos de petroleo; les importa un corno los kelpers. Como decimos por aca, "no confundamos chicha con limonada" .
@OlenkaWagner Por otra parte, hasta ahora no me he encontrado por acá ni un solo ingles que haya leido bien el sentido que le dan las NU al principio de autodeterminación. No corresponde para el caso de las Malvinas hablar de libre determinación ya que la población de las Islas no constituye ni nación, ni pueblo ni grupo étnico diferenciado del de la metrópoli. Bien ha hecho la AG de NU en usar cuidadosa y continuadamente la palabra “población” para referirse a los habitantes de las islas.
@chou2382 - No MI gobierno (no soy britanica). ?La población de las Islas no constituye pueblo? A el gobierno britanico la población no es importante. ?Es importante por el gobierno argentino? ?Que el gobierno argentino puede ofrecer por la población de las islas?
@OlenkaWagner Por favor escribí en ingles( writre in english plz) porque no se entiende nada con el traductor que usas. A parte, veo que sos polaca; no sé porque tomas parte en esta cuestión a favor de los ingleses.
@chou2382 - Why do you say that the population of the islanders do not constitute people? It is a group of people. You said that the islanders were not important for the British government. But were they important for the Argentinian government? What can the Argentinian government offer them?
@OlenkaWagner I repeat, don´t understand why you are taking part in this issue, being from Polland. Anyway, i recommend you read carefully the UN documents about the self determination, to understand the scope and sense of this.
@chou2382 - Poland also had territorial disputes in the past. We both gained the territory when our historical rights were problematic and we lost the territory we had historical right to. So I can understand both sides. In case of Poland I would not like any territorial changes. I accept the loss of the territories, although I remember they used to be ours. I also do not want territorial changes against the will of the residents.
@OlenkaWagner Then you have to understand us when we claim.That you are describing is exactly that we have; we haven´t finished this issue yet. We have our arguments, british has yours. Time will tell who have the truth.
@OlenkaWagner I don't think there is anyone in Poland who is claiming the Kresy. Anyway now we have the European Union and we can go where we want. Nationalism should be a thing of the past.
@alanheath3 - you are right. Maybe some individuals have some ideas, but no significant political power in Poland would claim Kresy. I keep giving that as an example for Argentinians having claims, but they are not convinced... I think one can believe that the territory is historically theirs, but at the same time not to have claims.
@OlenkaWagner ACA EN ARGENTINA TENEMOS MUCHISIMOS BARCOS PORTA CONTENEDORES, ENTONCES METEMOS UNOS 50 KELPERS POR CONTAINER Y SE LOS ENVIAMOS SIN NINGUN CARGO A UK CON TODO CARIÑO.
@maugtx2 Es una lastima que los nativos de America no pueden hacer eso a los invasores de Italia y Espana que han robado su tierra. Los Argentinos los exterminaron.
@chou2382 Tenés toda la razón del mundo sobre el principio de autodeterminación, pero lamentablemente sabemos q ellos siempre van a interpretar otra cosa. Tambien ocurre lo mismo con lo sucedido en 1833, para ellos no fueron presionados ni expulsados los argentinos de alli..
@Insomniac115 Y si... no va a ser nada fácil. Después del conflicto bélico hubo un gran retroceso en cuanto a nuestras posibilidades. Los argumentos que se ponen en juego no son nada fáciles de analizar. En cuestiones de derecho no siempre las interpretaciones son tan claras. El tema es que todos las figuritas repretidas del norte que ves en estos blogs quieren reducir la cuestión y dos líneas te quieren demostrar que tienen razón.
@chou2382 Si, coincido con vos en eso, y es mas, le ampliamos su panorama. Es increible, pero pasa frecuentemente, escriben dos lineas o citan partes de resoluciones y segun su interpretacion, siempre los arg somos ignorantes o nos criaron llenandonos la cabeza desde lo educacional hasta lo gubernamental con propaganda. El dia q habran los ojos, se daran cuenta q a ellos tambien les mintieron y lo siguen haciendo hasta estos dias, la diferencia es q ellos nunca lo van a reconocer.
@Insomniac115 Desde el punto de vista legal, la cuestión no es tan simple como decir...." los habitantes de Las Malvinas han estado durante siglos allí, por lo tanto ellos deben decidir a que país quieren pertenecer"...todo el mundo sabe que hay otro montón de argumentos de por medio (geográficos, históricos, etc) además de lo que está en juego a nivel económico.
@chou2382 Los brits solo toman el argumento de la autodeterminacion segun su criterio, exactamente como lo redactas, y el hecho de q los tratados no son validos debido a la clausula secreta. Dicen q las islas nunca fueron d España x lo q no deben ser tomadas como herencia desde lo historico, ahora, cuando se les pregunta especificamente, comienzan los agravios e insultos...hasta aparecen las preguntas del porq Arg quiere las islas desp de tanto tiempo...en fin, no quieren entender otra cosa.
British shit ... you won with help of usa and chile , we fought alone , but even alone we destroy almost all your ships , we kill a lot of your soldiers and we can come back again , easily we are buying weapons . and better planes , of russia!! :p
@fed8472....You cant buy new weopons look at your destroyers ARA Robbinson and her sister ship sat semi built fr OVER 10 years because you ran of money and only launched them a decade after being laid down ha ha .Your diesel Electric sub has been in port in repair for over 12 years and today is therre still waiting to be fixed!!Your armed forces have never been updated or improved or ANYTHING NEW bought in OVER 30 YEARS HA HA .You can only afford paper plans google ARA ROBINSON ETC,ITS A JOKE
Argentina never wanted the Falklands. They never settled there and would never live there. They have a huge land mass and don't need a cold, barren sheep farming outpost.
..Of course if oil is found then they'll step up the claim, but as those islands were in British hands before Argentina existed as a country, so makes those claims seem a bit empty....If we handed the islands over then they should give Argentina back to Spain...Really, who owns what?
Brits, you think they know everything and you are only a declining empire.
I have understood that the population was forcibly expelled in 1833, established populations of Britain and now wants to implement his will.The UN thinks so, abide by UN resolutions.
You should stay in the bar and get drunk instead of make history.
No one else is mad enough to live on the Falklands. Argentina never wanted it which is why they never settled there, and never would...This is only about oil.
It's a bit cheap to stand up every time you have political or financial problems and start demanding land you never really owned...Surely ownership is decided by who lives there?
And don't assume this has anything to do with me. I don't live in the UK and couldn't give a shit about Falklands
pathetic Argentina can't stand against Britain or the Commonwealth, we're just too powerful
870MH 2 weeks ago
British land regardless of how close to Argentina it is. Accept it and move on. The only part of the Falklands that is Argentine is the conscripts they sent to their deaths to face one of the best special forces in the world. Concentrate on your own political issues instead of diverting the Argentine's public attention away from your backwards country.
Paulbamber09 2 weeks ago
they try to gt it by launching a military strike it fails they resort to saying we valiated human rights
Smiler173 3 weeks ago
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YO CREO QUE NUNCA VI TANTA DESESPERACIÓN EN LOS INGLESES PIRATAS. ELLOS TIENEN LA FUERZA, EL PODERIO MILITAR, PERO NOSOTROS EL INTELECTUAL Y LA VERDAD... Y ESO VERDADERAMENTE LES ASUSTA... Y SABEN, QUE EL RESTO DEL MUNDO SE ESTÁ DANDO CUENTA... SON TAN CULTOS E INTELIGENTES, QUE EN UN DESESPERADO ACTO, LLAMAN A NUESTRA PRESIDENTA "BITCH"... POBRES, DAN LÁSTIMA...
maipuenselp 3 weeks ago
LAS MALVINAS SON ARGENTINAS, Y LA VERDAD UN INGLES CON UN POCO DE CEREBRO LO SABES, SON COLONIALISTAS, SON CHORROS Y NO TIENEN NINGUN TIPO DE ARGUMENTO PARA DECIR QUE SON DE USTEDES.
MrLeodaniel 3 weeks ago
@MrLeodaniel Ye ye fuck you and all that!
spidos1000 3 weeks ago
@MrLeodaniel They call US colonialists! How the hell do a bunch of Spanish and Italians end up in a country in South America? Colonialism! They were still massacaring the Patagonian Indians when we where settled in the Falklands. And they now want to...yes colonialise the Falklands!
You really have to worry about the intelligence of these people. They are as good thinkers are they are fighters! What a pathetic bunch.
DaveWBedford 1 week ago
my compatriot wish someone be dead by cancer , huh?
if someone´s got relative dying by cancer search him and kill im
the willing of wish someone cancer or another disease its unforgiven
ColodeHurlingham 3 weeks ago
I'm sorry for my last comment. Was abit nasty. To be honest guys I'm really bored of this shit. Nothing is going to happen so let's all calm down. Argentina are going to continue "claiming", the British government and Falklanders are going to say piss off, and oil IS going to be extracted from the waters surrounding the islas las Falklanders. Also Britain and the Falklanders will become richer because of this. Haha!
spidos1000 3 weeks ago
we will turn argentina to dust and rubble if they attack uk. falklands are uk islands n not argentine
IowaEngineering 4 weeks ago
@IowaEngineering you yank stay off this channel you are stuped.
locoxfiat 3 weeks ago
I found an explanation in Spanish, sorry, but you can see the date...El pago se realizó en concepto de indemnización a una empresa privada, la Compagnie de Saint-Maló, por lo que no se trató de una compra de las islas a Francia.35 El reconocimiento francés a la soberanía española de las islas aumentó los derechos jurídicos de España sobre ellas.36
gualok2 1 month ago
@gualok2
The spanish forced the french to handover a french settlement on the British Falklands -not the whole British Falklands.
And the Danish Faroe Islands are 160 miles from the UK
EddieExile 1 month ago
El primer día de abril de 1767 España recibió formalmente las islas en Port Saint-Louis, quedando los ciento quince colonos franceses bajo el gobierno de Felipe Ruiz Puente, que había arribado al archipiélago con las fragatas Liebre y Esmeralda, siendo acompañado desde Montevideo por Bougainville en la fragata La Boudeuse.37
Esta nueva colonia pasó a depender administrativamente del Gobernador y Capitán General de Buenos Aires, en aquel tiempo Francisco de Paula Bucarelli y Ursúa.38
gualok2 1 month ago
To spido 1000, well, my answer will be polite and no rude like yours, if you have losses there we have more, and think, what would you say if Argentina gets an island 400 miles off from Britain shore? It is the distance between Argentina and Malvinas, how many miles are from Malvinas and Britain?
gualok2 1 month ago
To Anonymus, yes, British got off local people and after that they put people from Britain, in 1835 there were a few inhabitants there, .... I will look at a site where you can get that data....
gualok2 1 month ago
@gualok2
When the British expelled the illegal United Provinces military from the British Falklands in 1833 (26 men who had landed illegally a few weeks earlier) the Vernet civilian colonists remained and were not expelled because Vernet had permission for his settlement.
EddieExile 1 month ago
Advice to Argentinians: Steal your nation's land from its first inhabitants Amerindians (it's OK to exterminate them a bit), then lecture the British about how evil and colonial they are by taking a nearby island from penguins.
crapatev 1 month ago 8
Meryl Streep won against those hijos de putas
oneadrian 1 month ago
THE ISLAS MALVINAS ARGENTINAS. thanks for understand that.
bufie82 1 month ago
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any self-determination !!!!!!
no no no !!!
The Falklands People = INVASORES
miasaditopaul 1 month ago
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La posicion economica de los Ingleses bastardos se basa en el saqueamiento de otros Paises atravez de la sofisticacion de sus armamentos y gracias a ello ese PEQUEÑO Pais sin RECURSOS NATURALES se sostuvo a lo largo de la Historia.......
VAMOS ARGENTINA !!!!!!!
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The members of the newly former CELAC (Community of Latinamerican and Caribbean States) unanimously approved one month ago a document in support of Argentina’s claim and anticipated they would request the intervention of UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon. The document reiterates the standing interest of Latinamerica and the Caribbean that the UK accepts to hold talks with Argentina so as to find “on the shortest time possible” a peaceful and definitive solution to the dispute.
111jasy111 1 month ago
piratas de mierda
flryt 2 months ago
What do you think if some invader take over UK and take its people off and put its people into that territory and after a century british people want to return there? What do you say?
gualok2 2 months ago
How do you call whom kill or take off people from any place to other place and there put people from their country? British done that in 1835, they taken off the local population and brought people from Britain, so are they local people?
gualok2 2 months ago 5
@gualok2 I didn't understand that. Do you mean that we took the native people from the Falklands and moved them out?
AnonymousEmperor 1 month ago
@AnonymousEmperor There were none just penguins
ultraAnomalocaris 1 month ago
@gualok2 This is so boring. You Argetninians are so childish. The Falklands belong to Britain, they have been for nearly 200 years, and they will belong to Britain for another 200 years. Do you people think that we will just hand them over to you after losing over 250 servicemen back in 82?? I wish that ugly plastic faced Kercher of yours did have cancer! Then she'd shut the fuck up!
spidos1000 1 month ago
@spidos1000 i agree with you. I'm form argentina, and i wish my president really had cancer, she ruins everything and she says stupid things all the time. She has boosted confrontation (which is something she loves to do) between social classes inside Argentina. Too bad we are represented by this woman. The kirchenrs have been in government for 10 years, and will surely be much more, sadly.
hpatdh077 4 weeks ago
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hpatdh077 4 weeks ago
@hpatdh077 como podes desear que tenga cancer alguien y encima traicionero pedazo de hijo de puta te cagaria tanto a trompadas si te encuentro te lo juro
ColodeHurlingham 3 weeks ago
@hpatdh077 La verdad sos la persona mas idiota que lei en tiempo, desear que nuestra presidenta tenga cancer?,sos idiota, alguien que dice idioteces es idiota, agrego a lo que te dijeron despues que te cague a trompadas el otro te cago a trompadas yo, idiota!!!
MrLeodaniel 3 weeks ago
@hpatdh077 It's good to hear not all Argentinians are obsessed with bothering a bunch of kelpers on a small island. I was glad to read recently about some intelligentsia in Argentina asking the president to stop obsessing over the Falklands.
She is an embarrassment to your country. I hope you get rid of her soon and elect a president who wants to take Argentina forward and make it prosper - not obsess over the Falklands. The entire world is getting bored of her now.
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@spidos1000 but please, don't generalize when talking about argentineans, there are many different ways of thinking and not all people are the same
hpatdh077 4 weeks ago
@spidos1000 MORITE INFGLES PUTU!!!! FUCK YOU!!!!
MrLeodaniel 3 weeks ago
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Two islanders that defied the status quo:
Mr James Peck and his family. Received several death threats after he decided to become an argentine citizen a few months ago. His inbox was packed and he received phone calls by British people telling him he'll get shot and tortured if he dared to return to the islands.
Dr Mike Bingham also suffered death threats as well as serious also an attack on his vehicle (a bomb) that could have killed him.
Nice people, those islanders huh...
111jasy111 2 months ago
thumbs up if you came here from dialectblog because you wanted to hear what a Falklands accent sounds like
grail68 3 months ago
So, if the British Falklands aren't a colony, then they should be taken off the UN list of non self governing territories, and argentina should stop whining about alleged colonialism.
EddieExile 3 months ago
@EddieExile The islands are neither a colony nor part of the UK in any way.
111jasy111 3 months ago
@111jasy111
Wrong - the British Falkland Islanders are an overseas territory of the UK and EU, and are on the UN list of colonies.
EddieExile 3 months ago
@EddieExile In May 2008, the UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon urged colonial powers "to complete the decolonization process in every one of the remaining 16 Non-Self-Governing Territories" but Britain refuses to leave control at the hands of the islanders and votes against decolonization in 2011. The Governors are still being sent from England.
111jasy111 3 months ago
@111jasy111
The UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon declared on 8 May 2010 “The world’s 16 territories that do not govern themselves must have complete freedom in deciding their future status”,
The UN states "a Non-Self-Governing Territory can reach a full measure of self-government by “Free association with an independent State”
This is the status chosen by the Falkland Islanders - a self governing Overseas Territory of the UK and EU - with the UK covering foreign affairs and defence.
EddieExile 3 months ago
@EddieExile
Do you believe the islanders determine their constitution without outside (English) interference?
UN Resolution 1541 (XV) Principle VIII
If you take a look at their constitution, it's basically total authority at the hands of the English Governor...
Is that what they really want?Do you think there is a possibilty of dissent among them?
As soon as a man dissents with the status quo, he and his family get death threats and murder attempts.
111jasy111 3 months ago
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@111jasy111
You posted this crap all over youtube and were destroyed all over youtube.
UN Resolution 1541 (XV) Principle VIII defines “Integration with an Independent State” which doesn’t apply to the Falklands knobhead.
The Falklands are self governed via a locally elected Legislative Assembly and the Governor has to abide by the advice of the Executive Council .
The Falkland Islands also have their right of self determination enshrined in their constitution.
Death threats? bollox.
EddieExile 3 months ago
@111jasy111 Utter nonsense. The UK is not a banana republic.
alanheath3 2 months ago
@alanheath3 The uk is not even republic and you are a sepoy.
111jasy111 1 month ago
@111jasy111 You are right on the first point but probably not on the second.
alanheath3 1 month ago
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UN Resolution 502 3 April 1982:
UN Security Council is:
"Deeply disturbed at reports of an invasion on 2 April 1982 by armed forces of Argentina and DEMANDS an immediate withdrawal of all Argentine forces from the Falkland Islands.
EddieExile 5 months ago
The UK denies the Chagos Islanders' rights by banning them to return to their homeland. Where is their self determination? Argentina won't talk to the 'F' islanders since they're being governed and controlled by the UK. 'Loyal subjects' of the Queen, who according to British fairy tales, has 'Supreme Authority' there. Hence, Argentina is acting logically and asking the administering power to accept several UN resolutions that kept urging for decades to negotiate about sovereignity without delay.
111jasy111 5 months ago
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The Argentine soldiers and people wildly supported the invasion in 1982 and the soldiers were the same age as the British with the same or better weapons, equipment and boots.
The UN Charter and Resolution 1514 (XV) specify the principles of equal rights and SELF- DETERMINATION OF ALL PEOPLES include the British Falkland Islands.
EddieExile 5 months ago
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EddieExile 5 months ago
In 1833, the British authorities expelled the illegal United Provinces military (Captain Pinedo and 25 soldiers who had landed illegally a few months before) from the British Falklands but the existing 39 Vernet colonists from a variety of nations had British permission and were encouraged to remain and were not expelled.
No one was killed or raped.
EddieExile 5 months ago
The wishes of the islanders are taken into consideration since the UK uses UN Resolutions that were created to free people from European and British oppression (irony?).
Were the "Falklanders" oppressed like Africans that were victims of the illegal aggression of Britain and Europe?
NEVER!! BECAUSE they were ALWAYS WHITE BRITISH citizens!!
Hence, the territory was never a colony but a colonial outpost.
"A special and particular case of colonialism" says the UN, which will be treated as so.
111jasy111 8 months ago
Los ingleses Tampoco Reconocian la soberania argentina en ningun punto de su territorio,, lee un poco sobre la Vuelta de Obligado, en la que se planeaba el control del rio de la plata.Y las dos invaciones inglesas a buenos aires luego de su independencia.. años mas tarde reconocieron la soberania y independencia argentina, lo que incluye a las malvinas si fuera por lo que vos decis.. buenos aires tampoco era reconocido como de argentina porque ellos intentaron invadirlo en dos oportunidades
Juani2392 8 months ago
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The UN Decolonization Committee today adopted a consensus resolution reiterating that the way to end the “special and particular” colonial situation in Malvinas is through peaceful, negotiated settlement of the sovereignty dispute between Argentina and the UK. By the terms of the text, introduced by Chile’s representative, the Committee regretted that, despite widespread international support for negotiations, longstanding General Assembly resolutions on that question hadn't been implemented.
111jasy111 8 months ago
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@ ratosa70
What law gave the British in 1833 to Argentine-born residents in the islands who were expelled, killed children and raped women?
Argentina may consider the rights of the present inhabitants English, but their interests and a population that is implanted
The Malvinas are Argentina, the first human beings were born there in Argentina, England admitted the sovereignty until 1833 that the encroaching......
Juani2392 9 months ago
@ratosa70
Que derecho le dieron los ingleses en 1833 a los habitantes argentinos nacidos en las islas que fueron expulsados, asesinados a los niños y mujeres violadas?
Argentina puede considerar Los derechos de los Actuales Habitantes Ingleses, pero no sus intereses ya que es una poblacion implantada
Las malvinas son ARGENTINAS, Los primeros seres humanos nacidos ahi eran ARGENTINOS, INGLATERRA ADMITIO LA SOBERANIA HASTA 1833 QUE LAS USURPO
Juani2392 9 months ago
las isla son de argentina, fuera imperio ingles, piratas malos!!
faustto333 9 months ago
Estos ingleses de mierda no son nada.
Ryan591991 9 months ago
Stupid war... we sent 18 years old kids with obsolete weapons, cheap footwear and clothes, and no training at all. We were blinded and led to war by an alcoholic dictator who tried to save his government by going to war against a major military force. Thos kids who lie in the Malvinas o Falklands are heroes. The had to be chasing girls, not fighting a war with toy guns!!!!!
javiercordeiro 10 months ago
Falklands? Where's that? Ah Malvinas ah ok ok
111jasy111 10 months ago
@111jasy111 We owned the stupid Argentines, and they will be owned again if they try to be stupid again.
phantomsuccour 10 months ago
@phantomsuccour
fuck you and all your fmaily
where is england? ohhh yes,is a fucking island with black and muslim people...
bye
Ryan591991 9 months ago
@phantomsuccour
@ ratosa70
That law gave the British in 1833 to Argentine-born residents in the islands who were expelled, killed children and raped women?
Argentina may consider the rights of the present inhabitants English, but their interests and a population that is implanted
The Malvinas are Argentina, the first human beings were born there in Argentina, England admitted the sovereignty until 1833 that the encroaching......
Juani2392 9 months ago
@111jasy111 shut up you bellend! The people who control them will name them as they please. So basically there's no such thing as the fuckin las islas malvinas.
spidos1000 3 weeks ago
I CLAIMED THE ASS FOR YOURS MOTHERS, SO I HAVE RIGHTS. FUCKING PIRATES
ALE61110 10 months ago
the Malvinas aren't a nation and have no right to self-determination; should Muslim areas of Bradford be allowed to join Pakistan if they wish? The Malvinas were seized by force by Britain in 1833 and the colonists who live there have no right whatsover to 'opt out' of Argentinian jurisdiction. The UK's stance is hypocritical when you consider the population of Diego Garcia, who were forcibly deported from the island by the British government. Not much respect for self determination there!
kepuysac 1 year ago
@kepuysac wow, everything you said was wrong i don't know where to start!
chatteyj 10 months ago
@kepuysac The falklands was claimed in the 1600s by british whalers actually
sammni 10 months ago
Can one claim any uninhabited islands?
BillDFC 1 year ago
@BillDFC yes if they haven't been claimed by another country. There are areas of antarctica still up for grabs btw. Although argentina has put a claim on the british antarctic territory , would you believe it.
chatteyj 10 months ago
@chatteyj because they believe everything close to them belongs to them they even believe chile to be part of their country. if they got all the areas they claim no doubt that they would claim on brazil and africa as part of argentina they are just imperalist not a good trait to inherit from spain if you ask me
TheLazyman555 5 months ago
@TheLazyman555 You imply that British imperialism is the correct trait to inherit? Even today, the UK bans the Chagos Islanders to return to their homeland.
111jasy111 5 months ago
@111jasy111 your right the islnders should be given their islnd back thank you for showing that point to me. but the question remains why is argentina claiming on terriotories that have been in british control longer than they have been in argentine also the anartic they have little hisory their still they claim on it because it close to them even you must think their asking for to much
TheLazyman555 5 months ago
@TheLazyman555 It's not Argentina asking for a peaceful negotiation over this sovereignity dispute. It's the UN, through several Resolutions of the General Assembly. Thank you. Britain claiming territories on the other side of the world in the 21st century is basically a fallacy. They are all remenants of British imperialism and fortunately the UN Decolonization Committee is taking care of the situation. BTW, last year the UN rejected Britain's claim to extend their waters in Ascension island.
111jasy111 5 months ago
@111jasy111 21st century those islands have been british longer than argentina has been a nation. also land isn't owned by no one the island didn't have a native population until the french came and settled the island then left. then we came and did the same things but because of economic downturn we where forced off by the spanish. your supposed eviction is false because the people removed where british and american mersenaries who refused to fight their homeland.
TheLazyman555 5 months ago
@TheLazyman555 Not false at all. Also your country had abandoned the islands for half a century when Argentina started settling. No British flag was waving. No proof of British ownership. Empty place. Britain had left. Still you tell me that land isn't owned by no one while British troops were sent 8000 miles to illegally expell argentines at gunpoint. It could be barely understandable at the times of the British empire, since its history is based on loot and abuse, but not in the 21st century.
111jasy111 5 months ago
@111jasy111 i like our debate but their was proof of british ownership. if you didn'y know before we left the island the royal navy had left a plaque stating it was under british jurstiction
TheLazyman555 5 months ago
@TheLazyman555 That plaque is one of the best British fairy tales I've ever heard regarding this subject. A tiny, rusty metal plaque supposedly located on a far far away distant islet of many in the archipielago. That has a be record. Usurping land that easily is perhaps the best way to explain how Britain managed to expand their domains all over the world. Pure lies. And ground forces.
111jasy111 5 months ago
@111jasy111 why don'y you hold your breath and look after the veterans from your side from the conflict
TheLazyman555 5 months ago
@TheLazyman555 Those vets, they support what I say. And most of them are aware they were sent to a wrong war. They would not find peace until the UN decides to put an end to this situation and force the UK to enter talks. Remember almost 200 countries are currently pushing. Argentina is not alone anymore.
111jasy111 5 months ago
@111jasy111 those 200 countries want talks to stop the argument but not for a handover and britain doesn't care howmany countries say we should leave where staying till the islanders tell us them selfs so fuck off and don't reply because ou don't speak for the falklands the islanders do
TheLazyman555 5 months ago
@TheLazyman555 I've never said they push for a handover, man. They just want the UK to respect the UN.
111jasy111 5 months ago
@111jasy111 okay but you make it sound like they are all gathering up for international invasion of islands. what would talks get anyway the islanders would have to be the representives and they don't want talks so it whats gonna happen is one side making demands ie: argentina and the other looking on thinking this goes against the constitution if we accept the islands is touchy subject and it pisses off the islanders if you talk about it that way just like gibraltar
TheLazyman555 5 months ago
@TheLazyman555 Sorry but Gibraltar is another British swindle. Britain stole more territory, like the Istmus, the southern part of the peninsula, gaining land from Algeciras Bay, etc. Also Gibraltar is on the UN list of Non-Decolonized Territories like Malvinas/Falklands. Those two cases are the only ones where the UN officially recognizes a sovereignity dispute. And without negotiations there won't be a solution. The islanders are loyal subjects of the British crown hence we will talk to the UK
111jasy111 5 months ago
@111jasy111 you don't understand the falklands is self governing the only thing they don't control is foreign policy and defence which is under the command of the british goverment and the problem is the goverment of falklands doesn't want talks so cannot be any talks. and by the way the UN was set up by the UK america russia and france to encourage international peace howwever it isn't their for countries to claim terriotory back from other because it doesn't have the power to do so.
TheLazyman555 5 months ago
@TheLazyman555
UN Resolution 2065 (XX) December 1965
"Invites to proceed without delay to find a peaceful solution to the problem"
UN Resolution 3160 (XXVIII) December 1973
"Declares the need to accelerate the negotiations in order to arrive at a peaceful solution of the conflict of sovereignty. Urges to proceed without delay with the negotiations."
UN Resolution 31/49 December 1976
"Requests to expedite the negotiations concerning the dispute over sovereignty."
111jasy111 5 months ago
@TheLazyman555 The UK brought British subjects who didn't respond to the criterion of subjected peoples, giving rise to a colonial territory with no colonial population. There wasn't a population subjected but rather British subjects whose situation hadn't changed since the UK put them there. In this case, claiming rights of self-determination simply amounts to the UK claiming self-determination for itself.
111jasy111 5 months ago
@111jasy111 the same applys to argentina if it brought people over to live their. the fact of the matter is that the brits where the ones who discovred the islands we set foot on them first we wern't the first to settle but neither was argentina thrir was two permanment british settlments on the islands but were forced off due to spanish threats of war because brits would have had a navel base next to spanish colial coast. then argentina came last out of all the nations to settle
TheLazyman555 5 months ago
@Eddieposted MMM. 1690 eh? So the claim must be English then as the union of parliaments wasn't until 1707.
BillDFC 1 year ago
@BillDFC So what about before that? You could say the Romans claimed Britain two thousand years ago.
BillDFC 1 year ago
@BillDFC The Falklands were completely uninhabited you fucktard.
gaelicscots 1 year ago
@gaelicscots You sound like an educated fellow, maybe you should move to the Falklands.
BillDFC 1 year ago
@BillDFC LOL
VenusInFurs2100 1 year ago
I wonder....could oil have something to do with it?
BillDFC 1 year ago
It's British...... The People want to be British....not Argentinion....
tomliath 1 year ago
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BRITISH........The people want to be british.
tomliath 1 year ago
A los necios que piensas que los españoles exterminaron a los nativos sudamericanos, tal como SÍ LO HICIERON LOS ANGLOSAJONES Y FRANCESES EN NORTEAMÉRICA, un descendiente de diaguitas (aborígenes de Sudamérica) les espeta: MALVINAS ARGENTINAS!
menllar 1 year ago
Malvinas Argentinas.-
menllar 1 year ago
@Eddieposted BTW I can't access your channel from Poland.
alanheath3 1 year ago
@Eddieposted - what do you mean by 'inflatable'
OlenkaWagner 1 year ago
@Eddieposted AND YOUR MOTHER SAYS FUCK ME
maugtx2 1 year ago
@maugtx2 Really? How do you know? Why don't you grow up?
alanheath3 1 year ago
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS!!! VAMOS A VOLVER!!!
maugtx2 1 year ago
@maugtx2 Despite the cemetery, despite the suffering caused to Argentina, there are still some anonymous imperialist cowards prepared to allow their own countrymen to be maimed and die for a nineteenth century imperialist idea. Grow up and concentrate your efforts on looking after the victims of the 1982 war which have been so badly treated by Argentina!
alanheath3 1 year ago 4
@alanheath3 Esta perfecto lo que comentas sobre el colonialismo del siglo XIX, por eso es muy buen momento para que UK reconosca de una buena vez la legitima e indicutible soberania Argentina sobre las Islas Malvinas, Orcadas, Georgias y Sanwitch del sur.
TARDE O TEMPRANO, DENTRO DE 10 AÑOS O 10 DIAS VAMOS A VOLVER!!!
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS!!! VIVA LA PATRIA!!!
maugtx2 1 year ago
@maugtx2 En vez de esta agresion i imperialismo del siglo XIX porque no haces algo para ayudar los victimas de la guerra que los fascistas como tu han hecho? No entiendo 'vamos a volver', dudo que hayas estado alli.
alanheath3 1 year ago
@alanheath3 Mi estimado voy a comentarte algo que seguramente desconoces, la causa "MALVINAS" es algo pendiente que esta grabado a fuego en el corazon de todos los Argentinos, por mas que pasen 1000 años en las escuelas se les enseña a los niños que las Islas Malvinas son las "hermanitas perdidas", es un sentimiento al que jamas vamos a renunciar. VAMOS A VOLVER lo digo como Argentino, LA BANDERA ARGENTINA VA A VOLVER A FLAMEAR EN PUERTO ARGENTINO.
maugtx2 1 year ago
@maugtx2 Estoy de acuerdo. Porque ninos en la escuela se lavan el celebro de muy joven. En el Reino Unido no se hace eso, entonces nadie cree el las islas Faroes por ejemplo son britanicas. Al contrario, no se ensenan en las escuelas argentinas (supongo) que la tierra de Argentina fue expropriado de los indigenos. Los Argentinos vienen de Europa. Al fin que la propaganda nationalista esta usada en escuelas para lavar el celebro de ninos, nunca habra paz.
alanheath3 1 year ago
@alanheath3 Hola. Si bien tengo una forma de pensar mas moderada que maugtx2, tengo que decirte que el tema Malvinas no es un capricho para Argentina. Existen fundadas razones para los reclamos de soberanía, de lo que ya hemos hablado con Olenka y Eddie. Estas razones pueden ser enfrentadas con argumentos que no parecen descabellados de la otra parte británica, pero los nuestros no son argumentos infundados.
chou2382 1 year ago
@alanheath3 es la historia sin fin del huevo y la gallina... en resumen Argentina no hubiese entrado en Guerra en 1982 si Inglaterra no hubiese echado a patadas a los habitantes Argentinos de Malvinas en 1833.
Argentina habia heredado las islas del imperio Español, no hay mas excusas, Inglaterra arrojo la primer piedra, y Argentina no estara en PAZ hasta recuperar lo que es NUESTRO!!! VAMOS A VOLVER!!! SOLOS O CON LA AYUDA DE TODA SUDAMERICA UNIDA!!! VIVA LA PATRIA!!
maugtx2 1 year ago
@alanheath3 Aparentemente sos una persona bastante coherente con la que se puede dialogar con respeto, te hago una consulta, porque UK no escucha las resoluciones de la ONU (UN)? Porque USA actua o amenaza militarmente a paises que desobedecen las resoluciones de la ONU? (IRAK, Corea del norte)
Te apostaria hasta lo que no tengo que si el conflicto de Malvinas se deja en manos de un arbitraje "SERIO" internacional la bandera Argentina vuelve a flamear alli en dias.
maugtx2 1 year ago
@maugtx2 No quiero escribir del ONU que es algo de que no se mucho. No me parece que el Reino Unido no escucha las resoluciones. No me parece tampoco que los EEUU ha amenazado Corea del Norte.
En cuanto a las Malvinas no veo lo que hay de arbitrar. Si la poplación quiere arbitración, entonces no hay problema.
alanheath3 1 year ago
VIVA LA PATRIA ARGENTINA
falcon1539 1 year ago
@falcon1539 VIVA!
rondeau41 1 year ago
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rondeau41 1 year ago
@rondeau41 dios guarda a la Reina
bannon1000 1 year ago
@bannon1000 Dios no necesita una reina. Medieval.
rondeau41 1 year ago
@rondeau41 dios necesita a una Reina,Amores de la Argentina nuestra reina
bannon1000 1 year ago
@bannon1000 Que sabes lo que Dios necesita? por favor, escribi en tu idioma. Es pesimo el traductor que usas...
rondeau41 1 year ago
@rondeau41 Ja ja!! Muy bueno tu comentario acerca del traductor.
chou2382 1 year ago
@chou2382 jaja es que ya me harto! Dios guarda a la reina, la guarda en un placard.. jaja
rondeau41 1 year ago
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rondeau41 1 year ago
Esta fue una guerra politica. Como todas. Muchos ingleses se enteraron de la existencia de Malvinas cuando empezo la guerra. Esta a miles de kilomtros, al pueblo ingles no le hace falta, no les interesa. Es cuestion de orgullo de sus ministros...
rondeau41 1 year ago
Does anybody out there remember serving with a PTE.MARTIN ROWE during the 70s with the Green Howards?
He did 2 tours of Northern Ireland and was stationed in Berlin for some time.
He died in 1982 when i was 2 and am just hoping to get to know him a little more.
antwoolies 1 year ago
And the Argies beat in 1982 bt two middle aged British woman ha ha ha ha.
bannon1000 1 year ago
As an Argentinean, I think that this war was useless, only causing the death of hundreds of young people with a future ahead of them and creating hate between two countries...
I still can't get how stupid people are on my country to vote the same people, over and over. We will never be a 1st world country again...
I can only hope to move to Europe when I get older.
MecTheGamer 1 year ago
@MecTheGamer as you said over and over again weak people that cant face the reality think as you
"I can only hope to move to Europe when I get older."
I think you dont deserve to be an argentinian
Kocation 1 year ago
@MecTheGamer
I used to think as you do about us, but the point is there are never "votable" candidates. Sadly, well educated and instructed people dont turn into politics, thats why we have what we have. If there were other kind of politicians to vote people would vote for them, no doubt abot that. But if choices are all crap you are just gonna get crap, whatever you vote to.
mercjoe72 1 year ago
yeah, nuke them bloody argies. make sure you hit friggin chile as well!
lem45 2 years ago
no surrender any aggression should be met with uk nuclear missiles pointed at buenous airies. argentina got israeli mines etc. if usa, jewish hawks in usa don't support uk we should nuke argentina and leave war on terror.
sexybritgent 2 years ago
no surrender we need the falklands for oil. teh uk is a nuclear power, think twice diego. if we can't afford to send troops a nuclear missile is much cheaper and effective for us so i would keep quiet.
sexybritgent 2 years ago
Fucking english, why does Scotland, Wales and Ireland hate England? England has no more power in the world. Without EUA, England would not exist at this moment. In less than 100 years Argentina will recover the Malvinas because the Argentina's GDP will exceed the one of England. You shoult return peacefully or we will do a new war, but in different terms than the one of 1982. Furthermore, we will kill all kerlpers and give their bodies to the seals as food.
Diego3145 2 years ago
@Diego3145 you are an idiot. so you say we should give the islands to you 'peacefully' yet you want to murder all the people there? you are nothing more than a squatter that got his just desserts and your attitude is just one example why we will not let the islanders down. ignorant prick.
45545512 2 years ago 2
'Diego3145 .A war on new terms? ha ha.Would that be a war where you launch your sailors on the backs of Dolphins and you bomb by Pigeon post!!!You have NO capacity to wage war....Over 30 years of nothing new purchased for ANY of the armed forces...No aircraft carriers...a sub thats been in port for renovation since 1997(San Louis) & because your broke you cant complete the work...google it....It would take you a 100 years just to get your militarily to a satisfactory level let alone beat us.
bannon1000 2 years ago
@Diego3145 you do know we have our new subs ships and planes waiting for your army ?.and we got a lot more troops on the islands than there was in 1982.and scotland irland and wales will all help the english if you invade the falklands. you can moan on the net as long as you want but you know you will never take our land. what your people did to the british people on them islands when you try take them last time was sic. you took there homes and use them as a toilet,
davebrdshw 1 year ago
@davebrdshw Ingles: this islands is not your land. You have got it because always have been placed your nose in everywhere, trying to get all that you can, by force. Like or not, this is the truth. Threre isn´t any other explanation: you´re the bigest pirates. Take out the patch from you eyes, so you may be can see reality a little best.
chou2382 1 year ago
@chou2382 - but the same most of the ancestors of Argentinians did - they came from Europe to the New World. Just like rhe settlers from Britain who came to the Falklands. There is no difference here. Just the same situation. People who were born there have right to decide about the future.
OlenkaWagner 1 year ago
@OlenkaWagner Uds aducen el derecho de autodeterminación con malicia, ya que en realidad no les interesa para nada los isleños. A tu gobierno lo único que le importa es la cuenca pesquera y los yacimientos de petroleo; les importa un corno los kelpers. Como decimos por aca, "no confundamos chicha con limonada" .
chou2382 1 year ago
@OlenkaWagner Por otra parte, hasta ahora no me he encontrado por acá ni un solo ingles que haya leido bien el sentido que le dan las NU al principio de autodeterminación. No corresponde para el caso de las Malvinas hablar de libre determinación ya que la población de las Islas no constituye ni nación, ni pueblo ni grupo étnico diferenciado del de la metrópoli. Bien ha hecho la AG de NU en usar cuidadosa y continuadamente la palabra “población” para referirse a los habitantes de las islas.
chou2382 1 year ago
@chou2382 - No MI gobierno (no soy britanica). ?La población de las Islas no constituye pueblo? A el gobierno britanico la población no es importante. ?Es importante por el gobierno argentino? ?Que el gobierno argentino puede ofrecer por la población de las islas?
OlenkaWagner 1 year ago
@OlenkaWagner Por favor escribí en ingles( writre in english plz) porque no se entiende nada con el traductor que usas. A parte, veo que sos polaca; no sé porque tomas parte en esta cuestión a favor de los ingleses.
chou2382 1 year ago
@chou2382 - Why do you say that the population of the islanders do not constitute people? It is a group of people. You said that the islanders were not important for the British government. But were they important for the Argentinian government? What can the Argentinian government offer them?
OlenkaWagner 1 year ago
@OlenkaWagner I repeat, don´t understand why you are taking part in this issue, being from Polland. Anyway, i recommend you read carefully the UN documents about the self determination, to understand the scope and sense of this.
chou2382 1 year ago
@chou2382 - Poland also had territorial disputes in the past. We both gained the territory when our historical rights were problematic and we lost the territory we had historical right to. So I can understand both sides. In case of Poland I would not like any territorial changes. I accept the loss of the territories, although I remember they used to be ours. I also do not want territorial changes against the will of the residents.
OlenkaWagner 1 year ago
@OlenkaWagner Then you have to understand us when we claim.That you are describing is exactly that we have; we haven´t finished this issue yet. We have our arguments, british has yours. Time will tell who have the truth.
chou2382 1 year ago
@OlenkaWagner I don't think there is anyone in Poland who is claiming the Kresy. Anyway now we have the European Union and we can go where we want. Nationalism should be a thing of the past.
alanheath3 1 year ago
@alanheath3 - you are right. Maybe some individuals have some ideas, but no significant political power in Poland would claim Kresy. I keep giving that as an example for Argentinians having claims, but they are not convinced... I think one can believe that the territory is historically theirs, but at the same time not to have claims.
OlenkaWagner 1 year ago
@OlenkaWagner ACA EN ARGENTINA TENEMOS MUCHISIMOS BARCOS PORTA CONTENEDORES, ENTONCES METEMOS UNOS 50 KELPERS POR CONTAINER Y SE LOS ENVIAMOS SIN NINGUN CARGO A UK CON TODO CARIÑO.
maugtx2 1 year ago
@maugtx2 - Oh, we were just discussing about trolling...
OlenkaWagner 1 year ago
@maugtx2 Es una lastima que los nativos de America no pueden hacer eso a los invasores de Italia y Espana que han robado su tierra. Los Argentinos los exterminaron.
alanheath3 1 year ago
@chou2382 Tenés toda la razón del mundo sobre el principio de autodeterminación, pero lamentablemente sabemos q ellos siempre van a interpretar otra cosa. Tambien ocurre lo mismo con lo sucedido en 1833, para ellos no fueron presionados ni expulsados los argentinos de alli..
Insomniac115 1 year ago
@Insomniac115 Y si... no va a ser nada fácil. Después del conflicto bélico hubo un gran retroceso en cuanto a nuestras posibilidades. Los argumentos que se ponen en juego no son nada fáciles de analizar. En cuestiones de derecho no siempre las interpretaciones son tan claras. El tema es que todos las figuritas repretidas del norte que ves en estos blogs quieren reducir la cuestión y dos líneas te quieren demostrar que tienen razón.
chou2382 1 year ago
@chou2382 Si, coincido con vos en eso, y es mas, le ampliamos su panorama. Es increible, pero pasa frecuentemente, escriben dos lineas o citan partes de resoluciones y segun su interpretacion, siempre los arg somos ignorantes o nos criaron llenandonos la cabeza desde lo educacional hasta lo gubernamental con propaganda. El dia q habran los ojos, se daran cuenta q a ellos tambien les mintieron y lo siguen haciendo hasta estos dias, la diferencia es q ellos nunca lo van a reconocer.
Insomniac115 1 year ago
@Insomniac115 Desde el punto de vista legal, la cuestión no es tan simple como decir...." los habitantes de Las Malvinas han estado durante siglos allí, por lo tanto ellos deben decidir a que país quieren pertenecer"...todo el mundo sabe que hay otro montón de argumentos de por medio (geográficos, históricos, etc) además de lo que está en juego a nivel económico.
chou2382 1 year ago
@chou2382 Los brits solo toman el argumento de la autodeterminacion segun su criterio, exactamente como lo redactas, y el hecho de q los tratados no son validos debido a la clausula secreta. Dicen q las islas nunca fueron d España x lo q no deben ser tomadas como herencia desde lo historico, ahora, cuando se les pregunta especificamente, comienzan los agravios e insultos...hasta aparecen las preguntas del porq Arg quiere las islas desp de tanto tiempo...en fin, no quieren entender otra cosa.
Insomniac115 1 year ago
British shit ... you won with help of usa and chile , we fought alone , but even alone we destroy almost all your ships , we kill a lot of your soldiers and we can come back again , easily we are buying weapons . and better planes , of russia!! :p
fede8472 2 years ago
@fed8472....You cant buy new weopons look at your destroyers ARA Robbinson and her sister ship sat semi built fr OVER 10 years because you ran of money and only launched them a decade after being laid down ha ha .Your diesel Electric sub has been in port in repair for over 12 years and today is therre still waiting to be fixed!!Your armed forces have never been updated or improved or ANYTHING NEW bought in OVER 30 YEARS HA HA .You can only afford paper plans google ARA ROBINSON ETC,ITS A JOKE
bannon1000 2 years ago
@fede8472 we ready and waiting have you stop ud getting the oil .umm no
why because you know iff you rysend ships ,our subs will just sink them lol.
your planes wont have eny luck to.you cant even get past the old tornado lol
davebrdshw 1 year ago
is usurpers and looters ...
your way is only the money.
Brits are the biggest scourge of the world,
Please do not send us nuclear U-bots to Australia ¡¡¡¡
RIZZU09 2 years ago
Give Australia back to the Aborigines then!
Argentina never wanted the Falklands. They never settled there and would never live there. They have a huge land mass and don't need a cold, barren sheep farming outpost.
..Of course if oil is found then they'll step up the claim, but as those islands were in British hands before Argentina existed as a country, so makes those claims seem a bit empty....If we handed the islands over then they should give Argentina back to Spain...Really, who owns what?
rogan71 2 years ago
who told you that?
Brits, you think they know everything and you are only a declining empire.
I have understood that the population was forcibly expelled in 1833, established populations of Britain and now wants to implement his will.The UN thinks so, abide by UN resolutions.
You should stay in the bar and get drunk instead of make history.
RIZZU09 2 years ago
Declining? The Empire went after WWII.
No one else is mad enough to live on the Falklands. Argentina never wanted it which is why they never settled there, and never would...This is only about oil.
It's a bit cheap to stand up every time you have political or financial problems and start demanding land you never really owned...Surely ownership is decided by who lives there?
And don't assume this has anything to do with me. I don't live in the UK and couldn't give a shit about Falklands
rogan71 2 years ago 2