I am English and have trained in shotokan karate for just over 2 years now and I'm a 3rd dan, you will have no idea about what karate is all about, until you have been to Japan and trained under a chief sensei and sparred lightly with one you will never know what it's like, Kanazawa sensei is one example, he is 83 and he is still fit as a fiddle, shows what karate does for you
There are a lot of bad-ass karate guys in the world. These guys aren't those guys. You can pretty much figure out what you need to know from watching the first few seconds.
Both guys hopping around with their hands down... white punches red in the mouth and then promptly trips.
@1EmergingCenter I disagree first of all they fight under tourney rules ,second these two guys are on a diffrent level there both 8th dan ,a wrong move ,a wrong step ,a wrong punch can mean the lose.
dont you see that immense technical level? cmon, kickboxing, boxing, these SPORTS are designed to be able to fight people under average, after 2 or 3 years training, and AFTER THE AGE OF 25, youre level is just decreasing, at the age of 40 you are NOT COMPETITIVE anymore, its just about muscles and being young
why do have old karateka masters still so much power and speed? because karate is a art to lean to cause maximum penetrating power by using the shortest way and with minimal effort
Some one is saying that he beat a 6th dan karateka when he was 15 years old. Simply a impossible statement, a 3th dan that worth his rice would break the ribs of a 15 yrs old like it was nothing. Apparently a jelly-brain teenager din't have enough brain power to realize what was going on, that either the guy was lying to him or he bought his belt in amazon or both of them was fighting under kickboxing rules and the karateka was simple "dancing with the tune". He teenager still don't have a clue.
@laylowtech that's because you probably have never seen a real karate combat, only tournaments. If killing was aloud in MMA, the oponent would fall not knowing what happened. It's just too f*cking fast.
@X3zi Actually I have seen a tournament, i was in 2 . Im a blue belt in kenpo Karate .. i stooped cuz i got introduced to MMA which i thought was more affective.
wow, ppl with NO knowledge WHATSOEVER come on youtube and bicker over alotta shit...."boxing is better" "kickboxing is better" "karate is better" y'all have alot to learn but that won't happen if you just sit on your lazy asses all day lol....just my opinion anyway i hope no one gets offended by this cuz i aint replyin
It never ceases to amazes me....Let me try and make this clear Sitting in your living room wearing tap out clothes and watching the UFC does not qualify to comment on anything let alone a martial art. That goes double for anyone with one or two years of part time training. No one with any real skill (in any art) cares what you think.
man... i wish i can spar with this man. but i m from cananda and he is in japan...i think :P. plus.... HE IS ASIAN!! he might beat the sh*t out of me!!!
reaction to falanga22 I FOUGHT A KARETEKA WHEN I WAS 15 YEARS OLD! this guy was a 6th dan sensei! and thought he could train full contact! lol! My trainer didn't even bother to take him on himself, so he sent me to spar with him. I was only training for 3 years! he didn't know where the kicks and punches were coming from!!! lol after 20 minutes he stopped!!! that is not fighting mentality, never stop even if your bones are broken!!! he was just outsmarted en outclasssed in every way!!!
WOW!!! IDC ABT THOSE IDIOTS TALKN ABT BOXNG ND ALL, BUT THERE'S IMMENSE TECHNIQUE INVLOVED IN THIS!!!
@falanga22 SECONDED!!! I CANT DIGEST SO MANY DISGRACEFUL COMMENTS FOR SUCH A GREAT VIDEO!!! THOSE IDIOTS CAN GO f**k THEMSELVES!!!! ASK 'EM TO FACE ONE REAL KARATEKA!!!!
You all cannot understand the true value of Karate. Its not about fighting its about improving yourself and self defense and its not a sport like boxing and kick boxing and other no value shitty forms of fighting !!!
Why are their hands so low? What are they protecting at that moment? NOTHING looks like they wanna bargain with clapping their hands! BULLSHIT, runaway,posing,bitchslapping,tip toeing,screaming like bitches, can't take a hit to the face style of fighting! even arm wrestling is more effective!! rest my case...
Indeed, and all their technique and form they have in the dojo goes straight out of the window, and they just start wildly swinging and bitchslapping..lol
this is bullcrap ladyfighting style, don't get me wrong i'm a savate/ muay thai fighter and i respect every form of martial art that can help you win a fight i respect kyokushin and goju ryu karate a lot!! but this shotokan bulshit only teaches you how to be a pussy!! when i was 15 years old a sensei came training in my gym 6th dan!! my trainer send me to spar with him. haha! i kicked and punched his ass all over the place! after 20 min. he quit!! shame for a sensei!
@DaBhaalspawn your comment is retarded on 2 levels. First of all they're in a point tournament, why would they be trying to break each others jaw? Secondly, have you ever trained in karate? Have you ever been hit by a backfist or one of these "slaps" you're talking about? Stfu about things you haven't actually experienced.
I trained in Kyokushin actually. I stopped training because I didn't agree with the methods, but at least the tournaments were actual full contact kumite (sans head punches, which is part of the reason I stopped training), not "let's see who gets to slap the other guy 3 times first".
i am amazed there there are trolls here who actually think this is poor technique. my response is that i do not think you know what you are talking about. disagree if you want, you are free to express how you feel. so will i.
Another words all form comes and goes when the mind is under stress. It's happened to me. sensei is a very accomplished karateist so this I don't under stand or do I?
@DaBhaalspawn shotokan is all about speed and timing. these "slaps" release the tension in your muscles therefore your hand travels faster. that "slap" in the end becomes a fist. if you dont like it then dont train this style. end of discussion
@mnrurl Kagawa joined Asai (the ref) when Asai decided to break off and start his own group (JKS). Yahara initally joined Asai, but then broke off and made his own (Karate no Michi).
He did not decide, he was ejected over politics within the JKA. He took the JKA name with him, was sued and lost to the original JKA who kept the name and original logo designed by Nishiyama (as I understand). Asai then formed the Nihon Karate Shotorenmei which also had Yahara in it. Yahara broke away and now Kogawa is the chief technical officer. Asai was a visionary yet very eccentric and explorative with karate. He was reputed to be a very nice man and his death is sad for all karate-ka.
@IEKUKATAKA The saddest thing is the ugly politics involved. Its a good thing Kanazawa, Okazaki and some of the JKA seniors (like Hideo Ochi and Mastaka Mori) could still be friendly with each other and hold unofficial seminars together.
Thanks for the info. Because of politics, sometimes you can't get the truth out or hear each others sides.
Kanazawa, Ochi and Okazaki teach together at times. Politics and denial of fundamental roots have taken the JKA and its splinter groups away from original karate. Funakoshis' son, Yoshitaka, is probably the original impetus. They all largely now teach a sports based activity because revenue is involved. It is sad that money, status and the ego bring so many to the eventual corruption that straying from the truth will bring. Karate is a martial art, straying adulterates it into something else.
@IEKUKATAKA There is also another great Shotokan teacher who passed away a while ago. His name is Isao Obata. He was Nakayama's sempai. He was featured in many photos and one kumite video involving Funakoshi himself. He was one of the founding members of the JKA, but soon left because he disagreed with charging very high tuition fees, as well as the tournament system. He continued on his own, but I'm not sure if his dojo is still around. He came from a rich family and didn't need money.
Obata died in 1976. The most recent of the JKA hierarchy to die is Nishiyama, one of my teachers. In his later years he saw the error of the JKA ways and his own apparently. He wanted to return to the old Karate in that he wanted it considered a martial art not a sport. He could not pull it off soon enough, it was entrenched and his livelyhood depended on it. Sadly, smoking took his life at 80 with much unfinished work and no successor. Others will follow soon, they are very old now.
@IEKUKATAKA Though I'm American, I started in the Philippines when my family moved there. My first teacher was one of Takayuki Mikami sensei's students in the 60's (first JKA dojo in the Philippines). I continued when I returned to NY and studied under Masataka Mori sensei, in the JKA NYC dojo. Like your teacher, Mori sensei smoked too, and I caught him a few times by the parking meters behind the dojo. He didn't want the students seeing him smoking. He later quit after surgery.
@Bassai You said it! In the 80's the politics were already becoming a problem but it finally exploded in the early 90's. It became far reaching when in the US many Japanese schools took sides and affiliations started changing all over the place!!!
Kagawa - not Kogawa... The organization formed by Asai Sensei (died in 2006) and now lead by Kagawa Sensei (who is by the way a coach of Japanese National Karate Team as well) is called JKS. It is a very different approach to the karate yet it is a traditional shotkan karate (for those who must have a name for it!). I had huge luck to join JKS and I have to admit that my karate changed in a good way since. I would recommend to join their seminars (if any) just to see it yourself.
@gustavatwork Funny you are such a stickler about spelling a language that has no spelling. I have tried JKS, don't like it just like I don't care for the JKA even though I am a life member. Read my profile.
well... he technically has a point considering if you were to say Ko, in kanji it would mean "small" or "little" while the Ka in Kagawa sensei's name is short form for the character kawa which means "river". So granted kanji is pictography, we are basing it on phonetic spelling at the moment, yes?
@kamen25 With all due respect, do you know what you are talking about? Which kanji are you speaking of for "ko", child, large, old, price, sin as "ko" means all of these also. As far as "ka" being short for river, I would bet, in the absense of the kanji, that "gawa" in this form is river and his name could mean "child of the river", "old river", "large river" etc. However, it is all speculation until I hear him pronounce his name and tell me what it means, dialects change things.
I am English and have trained in shotokan karate for just over 2 years now and I'm a 3rd dan, you will have no idea about what karate is all about, until you have been to Japan and trained under a chief sensei and sparred lightly with one you will never know what it's like, Kanazawa sensei is one example, he is 83 and he is still fit as a fiddle, shows what karate does for you
CrazyJ306 23 hours ago
karate ni sente nashi
simaionel 1 week ago
There are a lot of bad-ass karate guys in the world. These guys aren't those guys. You can pretty much figure out what you need to know from watching the first few seconds.
Both guys hopping around with their hands down... white punches red in the mouth and then promptly trips.
1EmergingCenter 1 week ago
@1EmergingCenter I disagree first of all they fight under tourney rules ,second these two guys are on a diffrent level there both 8th dan ,a wrong move ,a wrong step ,a wrong punch can mean the lose.
thecalmdude 3 days ago
dont you see that immense technical level? cmon, kickboxing, boxing, these SPORTS are designed to be able to fight people under average, after 2 or 3 years training, and AFTER THE AGE OF 25, youre level is just decreasing, at the age of 40 you are NOT COMPETITIVE anymore, its just about muscles and being young
why do have old karateka masters still so much power and speed? because karate is a art to lean to cause maximum penetrating power by using the shortest way and with minimal effort
deadmike2 3 weeks ago 6
I like this kumite, no matter if is shotokan, it's still a fight.
mujersamurai 1 month ago
What is the point in arguing? If you think your style is better, then go and train.
KataForYou 1 month ago 5
amazing footwork
hotpopcorncake 1 month ago
lol
KARATEBLACKBELT1 1 month ago
Sorry about my english
mrgsudo 1 month ago
Some one is saying that he beat a 6th dan karateka when he was 15 years old. Simply a impossible statement, a 3th dan that worth his rice would break the ribs of a 15 yrs old like it was nothing. Apparently a jelly-brain teenager din't have enough brain power to realize what was going on, that either the guy was lying to him or he bought his belt in amazon or both of them was fighting under kickboxing rules and the karateka was simple "dancing with the tune". He teenager still don't have a clue.
mrgsudo 1 month ago
KARATE IS NOTHING LIKE WHAT COMS OUT IN THE MOVIES MMA FIGHT I THINK IS MORE AAFFECTIVE
laylowtech 1 month ago
@laylowtech that's because you probably have never seen a real karate combat, only tournaments. If killing was aloud in MMA, the oponent would fall not knowing what happened. It's just too f*cking fast.
X3zi 1 month ago 8
@X3zi Actually I have seen a tournament, i was in 2 . Im a blue belt in kenpo Karate .. i stooped cuz i got introduced to MMA which i thought was more affective.
laylowtech 1 month ago
wow, ppl with NO knowledge WHATSOEVER come on youtube and bicker over alotta shit...."boxing is better" "kickboxing is better" "karate is better" y'all have alot to learn but that won't happen if you just sit on your lazy asses all day lol....just my opinion anyway i hope no one gets offended by this cuz i aint replyin
derappinshinobi 1 month ago 2
It never ceases to amazes me....Let me try and make this clear Sitting in your living room wearing tap out clothes and watching the UFC does not qualify to comment on anything let alone a martial art. That goes double for anyone with one or two years of part time training. No one with any real skill (in any art) cares what you think.
RHOOWL 1 month ago 4
man... i wish i can spar with this man. but i m from cananda and he is in japan...i think :P. plus.... HE IS ASIAN!! he might beat the sh*t out of me!!!
jaypokemon66 1 month ago
@jaypokemon66 *canada
jaypokemon66 1 month ago
reaction to falanga22 I FOUGHT A KARETEKA WHEN I WAS 15 YEARS OLD! this guy was a 6th dan sensei! and thought he could train full contact! lol! My trainer didn't even bother to take him on himself, so he sent me to spar with him. I was only training for 3 years! he didn't know where the kicks and punches were coming from!!! lol after 20 minutes he stopped!!! that is not fighting mentality, never stop even if your bones are broken!!! he was just outsmarted en outclasssed in every way!!!
teambeastofeast77 1 month ago
WOW!!! IDC ABT THOSE IDIOTS TALKN ABT BOXNG ND ALL, BUT THERE'S IMMENSE TECHNIQUE INVLOVED IN THIS!!!
@falanga22 SECONDED!!! I CANT DIGEST SO MANY DISGRACEFUL COMMENTS FOR SUCH A GREAT VIDEO!!! THOSE IDIOTS CAN GO f**k THEMSELVES!!!! ASK 'EM TO FACE ONE REAL KARATEKA!!!!
Nidish9644 1 month ago
a boxer would fuckem up....end of story..
osbornehunter 1 month ago
You all cannot understand the true value of Karate. Its not about fighting its about improving yourself and self defense and its not a sport like boxing and kick boxing and other no value shitty forms of fighting !!!
falanga22 1 month ago 2
@falanga22- Kickboxing and boxing both teach you how to fight much more effectively than the average person...
superlou1s 1 month ago
looks like they wanna shake hands but don't trust eachother!!
teambeastofeast77 1 month ago
Why are their hands so low? What are they protecting at that moment? NOTHING looks like they wanna bargain with clapping their hands! BULLSHIT, runaway,posing,bitchslapping,tip toeing,screaming like bitches, can't take a hit to the face style of fighting! even arm wrestling is more effective!! rest my case...
teambeastofeast77 1 month ago
@teambeastofeast77
Indeed, and all their technique and form they have in the dojo goes straight out of the window, and they just start wildly swinging and bitchslapping..lol
defkai 1 month ago
this is bullcrap ladyfighting style, don't get me wrong i'm a savate/ muay thai fighter and i respect every form of martial art that can help you win a fight i respect kyokushin and goju ryu karate a lot!! but this shotokan bulshit only teaches you how to be a pussy!! when i was 15 years old a sensei came training in my gym 6th dan!! my trainer send me to spar with him. haha! i kicked and punched his ass all over the place! after 20 min. he quit!! shame for a sensei!
teambeastofeast77 1 month ago
OMG comentator: Hae, hae hae hae hae hae
TheBestMercedes 2 months ago
@DaBhaalspawn your comment is retarded on 2 levels. First of all they're in a point tournament, why would they be trying to break each others jaw? Secondly, have you ever trained in karate? Have you ever been hit by a backfist or one of these "slaps" you're talking about? Stfu about things you haven't actually experienced.
bloodriotiori 2 months ago 2
@bloodriotiori
I trained in Kyokushin actually. I stopped training because I didn't agree with the methods, but at least the tournaments were actual full contact kumite (sans head punches, which is part of the reason I stopped training), not "let's see who gets to slap the other guy 3 times first".
DaBhaalspawn 2 months ago
Brilliant Kizama Zuki from Yahara in the beginning.
mirageF1AZ 2 months ago
Happy Feet!!! :D
manahanalex123 3 months ago
sensei kagawa is our chief instructor in the jks and id challenge anyone to better him in a fight even at his age now oss
gijamsie 3 months ago
@gijamsie I will NOt accept your challenge... even at his now. :-) the guy is simple amazing.
rcadag 3 months ago
full shit!!! author! kill yourself in toilet! what a fuck?
Ahimas2007 3 months ago
i am amazed there there are trolls here who actually think this is poor technique. my response is that i do not think you know what you are talking about. disagree if you want, you are free to express how you feel. so will i.
ratchadapalazzo 4 months ago
Another words all form comes and goes when the mind is under stress. It's happened to me. sensei is a very accomplished karateist so this I don't under stand or do I?
macrobioticman 4 months ago
What his has reverted to is a common brawl in a bar due to fear. No Karate technique here
macrobioticman 4 months ago
@buffmedic01 totally agreed. @Derukugi2 shut up!
macrobioticman 4 months ago
Asai sensei was different even as referee.
msilnascimento 4 months ago
@buffmedic01
Oh my, another youtube keyboard hero. I´d like to see how long you last against any of them... including the ref.
Derukugi2 5 months ago
Kagawa and Yahara... that is as high level as you get in Shotokan. And the ref is Asai, looks like?
Can´t get better than this.
Derukugi2 5 months ago
buena tecnica
carrascoccb 7 months ago
IF you piss one off these men off then its the end of your life.
mirageF1AZ 7 months ago
Is the referee the late Asai Tetshuhiko sensei?
francischuahcw 9 months ago
@francischuahcw ... Might be, hard to tell due to the poor video-quality.
SubKontraBas 7 months ago
@DaBhaalspawn shotokan is all about speed and timing. these "slaps" release the tension in your muscles therefore your hand travels faster. that "slap" in the end becomes a fist. if you dont like it then dont train this style. end of discussion
somethingandahalf 9 months ago 35
@somethingandahalf That's true speed and timing thats why shotokan guys are always moving.
lococavasa 3 weeks ago
@DaBhaalspawn slaps that breaks your jaw..
Zejex15 9 months ago
What's the point
SuperClindley 10 months ago
Masters at work!
shoto2112 10 months ago
Kumite at its finest!!!!
wannabehendrix 10 months ago
Thats some old school Karate fighting right there! hahaha.
shotojojo1986 1 year ago
"yahara" is japanese for "late hit"
brinnonvallere 1 year ago
may i know the year in which this bout took place?
yurnero85 2 years ago
1984
IEKUKATAKA 2 years ago
@mnrurl Kagawa joined Asai (the ref) when Asai decided to break off and start his own group (JKS). Yahara initally joined Asai, but then broke off and made his own (Karate no Michi).
Bassai 2 years ago
He did not decide, he was ejected over politics within the JKA. He took the JKA name with him, was sued and lost to the original JKA who kept the name and original logo designed by Nishiyama (as I understand). Asai then formed the Nihon Karate Shotorenmei which also had Yahara in it. Yahara broke away and now Kogawa is the chief technical officer. Asai was a visionary yet very eccentric and explorative with karate. He was reputed to be a very nice man and his death is sad for all karate-ka.
IEKUKATAKA 2 years ago 2
@IEKUKATAKA The saddest thing is the ugly politics involved. Its a good thing Kanazawa, Okazaki and some of the JKA seniors (like Hideo Ochi and Mastaka Mori) could still be friendly with each other and hold unofficial seminars together.
Thanks for the info. Because of politics, sometimes you can't get the truth out or hear each others sides.
Bassai 2 years ago 4
Kanazawa, Ochi and Okazaki teach together at times. Politics and denial of fundamental roots have taken the JKA and its splinter groups away from original karate. Funakoshis' son, Yoshitaka, is probably the original impetus. They all largely now teach a sports based activity because revenue is involved. It is sad that money, status and the ego bring so many to the eventual corruption that straying from the truth will bring. Karate is a martial art, straying adulterates it into something else.
IEKUKATAKA 2 years ago
@IEKUKATAKA There is also another great Shotokan teacher who passed away a while ago. His name is Isao Obata. He was Nakayama's sempai. He was featured in many photos and one kumite video involving Funakoshi himself. He was one of the founding members of the JKA, but soon left because he disagreed with charging very high tuition fees, as well as the tournament system. He continued on his own, but I'm not sure if his dojo is still around. He came from a rich family and didn't need money.
Bassai 2 years ago
Obata died in 1976. The most recent of the JKA hierarchy to die is Nishiyama, one of my teachers. In his later years he saw the error of the JKA ways and his own apparently. He wanted to return to the old Karate in that he wanted it considered a martial art not a sport. He could not pull it off soon enough, it was entrenched and his livelyhood depended on it. Sadly, smoking took his life at 80 with much unfinished work and no successor. Others will follow soon, they are very old now.
IEKUKATAKA 2 years ago
@IEKUKATAKA Though I'm American, I started in the Philippines when my family moved there. My first teacher was one of Takayuki Mikami sensei's students in the 60's (first JKA dojo in the Philippines). I continued when I returned to NY and studied under Masataka Mori sensei, in the JKA NYC dojo. Like your teacher, Mori sensei smoked too, and I caught him a few times by the parking meters behind the dojo. He didn't want the students seeing him smoking. He later quit after surgery.
Bassai 2 years ago
@Bassai You said it! In the 80's the politics were already becoming a problem but it finally exploded in the early 90's. It became far reaching when in the US many Japanese schools took sides and affiliations started changing all over the place!!!
wannabehendrix 10 months ago
@Bassai i agree man
KARATEBLACKBELT1 1 month ago
@IEKUKATAKA
Kagawa - not Kogawa... The organization formed by Asai Sensei (died in 2006) and now lead by Kagawa Sensei (who is by the way a coach of Japanese National Karate Team as well) is called JKS. It is a very different approach to the karate yet it is a traditional shotkan karate (for those who must have a name for it!). I had huge luck to join JKS and I have to admit that my karate changed in a good way since. I would recommend to join their seminars (if any) just to see it yourself.
gustavatwork 1 year ago
@gustavatwork Funny you are such a stickler about spelling a language that has no spelling. I have tried JKS, don't like it just like I don't care for the JKA even though I am a life member. Read my profile.
IEKUKATAKA 1 year ago
@IEKUKATAKA
well... he technically has a point considering if you were to say Ko, in kanji it would mean "small" or "little" while the Ka in Kagawa sensei's name is short form for the character kawa which means "river". So granted kanji is pictography, we are basing it on phonetic spelling at the moment, yes?
kamen25 1 year ago
@kamen25 With all due respect, do you know what you are talking about? Which kanji are you speaking of for "ko", child, large, old, price, sin as "ko" means all of these also. As far as "ka" being short for river, I would bet, in the absense of the kanji, that "gawa" in this form is river and his name could mean "child of the river", "old river", "large river" etc. However, it is all speculation until I hear him pronounce his name and tell me what it means, dialects change things.
IEKUKATAKA 1 year ago