How Leaving the Watchtower Society Affected Me - Tim Kilgore

[jwawesome1]

Dude you are a rockstar. I admire your ability to express yourself. These cult members have no answer for your powerful words. Keep going and keep the faith. You are a very strong man. God Bless.

[apostate2017]

This would have to be one of the most effective videos a recently jettisoned JW could watch.

[mastiffsito]

@timkilgore you're enjoying lige so much with wife and kids, but you dont want eternal life? Enjoy your short life then to the max.

[TimKilgore]

@mastiffsito I am actually thanks.

[MrApollo254]

@mastiffsito

Let me clear *your* DELUSIONS.

EVERYBODY DIES.

Jehovah was such a LOVING GOD, that he gave the HOPE of eternal life to US *SAD* Humans.

What about the dolphins *RIPPED* flesh from skin, by sharks?

What about Spiders who inject a *POISON* JEHOVAH GOD HIMSELF CREATED that *ROTT's* the FLESH of *ANY* victim?

What about the *WOLVES* that BITE & TEAR, The EYEBALLS of a *BEAUTIFUL* Deer?

Am *I* SUPPOSED to LOVE, SUCH A SADISTIC CREATOR of SUCH *PURE* EVIL?

I am better than HE..

[coldplay1121]

Tim , will you ever talk about something else other than Jehovahs Witnesses???

[TimKilgore]

@coldplay1121 Well I made a video in regards to RI Politics and I rarely ever talk about JWs in my regular life to be honest. For the most part I discuss wrestling and 80's cartoons. Please notice how long it's been since the videos come out and how few and far between they are. There's alot of living and playing with my kids done between these videos.

[KINGTERO11]

You cant do anything without the help of Jehovah. Yeah you might be "having the time of your life" but there is nothing better than having eternal life. And no one said it was easy it even says it in the bible but what counts is trying your best to do so. Jehovah gave you ur life and this is how people repay him? smh.

p.s. you dont look so athletic to be a wrestler. Just saying. I'll believe it when i see a video of you wrestling or even pics.

[TimKilgore]

@KINGTERO11 I can do plenty without the help of Jehovah and I don't want eternal life. Um search Tim Kilgore on youtube or on google along with Wrestling, there's plenty of video and pictures of me wrestling. I'm pretty well known in New England, check out thencwonline . com

[MrApollo254]

@TimKilgore

I want eternal life. (Who Doesn't?)

Sadly, a CREATOR who could simply "have made it so", (As he was *SUPPOSED* to have done with the Angels)

*DOESN'T* then create a whole PLANET where *EVERY-LIVING-THING*

(*WITHOUT ACCEPTION*)

DIES

[MrApollo254]

@MrApollo254

PLZ TELL ME JEHOVAH IS CLEVERER, THAN CREATING A WASP THAT LAYS IT'S EGGS IN AN ANT'S BRAIN.

PLZ TELL ME HE HAS MORE COMPASSION THAN CREATING A VIRUS THAT ROTS A PERSONS BRAIN FROM THE INSIDE.

PLZ TELL ME YOU GIVE CREDIT TO SATAN FOR CREATING THESE THINGS, OR PUT ***CREDIT*** WHERE ***CREDIT*** IS DUE.

So *WHO* is the CREATOR?

SATAN, Or JEHOVAH?

[mastiffsito]

A good job, a wrestler, college??? And then what? Get old and die???

[TimKilgore]

@mastiffsito I can't wait to get old, it's going to be great.

[propagandatechniques]

@mastiffsito Let's see; a job washing windows, theocratic ministry school, and then what? Perhaps win a prize for having the most doors slammed in your face? =)

[propagandatechniques]

Hey Tim, do you see this video showing up as a response to my original video? For some reason no video responses are showing up on my video.

[TimKilgore]

@propagandatechniques It isn't showing, I'll go ahead and post it again.

[propagandatechniques]

@TimKilgore Thanks. None of the video responses to my videos are showing. I tried to contact youtube but it keeps saying I exceeded my comment characters. I wrote one sentence!

[propagandatechniques]

@TimKilgore Thanks. None of the video responses to my videos are showing. I tried to contact youtube but it keeps saying I exceeded my comment characters. I wrote one sentence!

[WWZenaDo]

"The enemy of any group that gathers its converts thru ignorance of subject, is Knowledge..." Yesss! I would have stated "Any group that gathers its converts thru ignorance and SECRECY..." !!!!

[Skepticktok]

This was an awesome video!

[ironjohnlad]

well said. Expereince, is the key, speaking out from experience is the key to this. thanks ! John T

[thejahoflife]

You said at 6:48 "The enemy of any group that gather its converts through ignorance of a subject is knowledge" and interestingly knowledge is precisely what was offered in exchange for converts at the beginning of time "For God knows that in the very day of YOUR eating from it YOUR eyes are bound to be opened and YOU are bound to be like God, KNOWING good and bad. How has that worked out?

...so now you are part of the group on the narrow path? because you now have knowledge?

[thejahoflife]

@thejahoflife Also am I wrong? Did you begin the process of including yourself and those like you as members of "Those on the narrow road to life"? I can go back in the video and find the spot but I am fairly sure I will see it, or did you mean something else? Also you start by listing all of the wonderful things that you now have that you would not have had if you had stayed a JW and how very hard it is to leave by choice. Have you got ANY idea what some have endured to become a J.W.?

[thejahoflife]

@thejahoflife I know what you went through was hard (is still hard) and you love your mom, but do you think it was fair to parade the personal information about your moms mental health (demon stories) for the world to laugh at? You have only added fuel to an already raging fire of hatred and loathing we already endure. Thank you for insisting that our religion draws the weak and mentally ill. I guess it maybe confirms that Jesus came to preach the truth to the mentally sick too.

[TimKilgore]

@thejahoflife My mother told that story to everyone, she's proud of that story and if she heard it would still shout at the top of the mountains that she was attacked by deamons. So JWs have hatred and loathing eh? Could you explain all those positive articles that come out right around assembly time regarding you guys from the areas the conventions are in? They're quoted in the Kingdom Ministry every year.

[thejahoflife]

@TimKilgore The ones about how clean we leave the place we use? We are not hated for our cleanliness. we are hated for believing we are the only religion that has the truth about God. That in itself is nothing new. Almost every religion and denomination have that view, we are however hated for being a zealous group that is non stop preaching in public and from house to house without letup. So the question stands re: John 17:3, who is doing this? Take even your definition into account for this.

[TimKilgore]

@thejahoflife The ones about how they love to JWs business, how honest they are, how much they love having JWs around, etc, etc. Again you are not as hated as Scientologists are, there are far more hate sites and groups that hate Scientologists for how they practice their religion than JWs ever will have. As for your question, there are 33,380 different denominations of Christianity there are over 10,000 that are Unitarian do you really want a full list?

[thejahoflife]

@TimKilgore Granted, there are a large number of religions out there and many on your response. I don't know if i would go as far as to say they have reached the status of globally hated.

So to which of these religions are you making videos that blast them on a regular basis? or is it just us?

[thejahoflife]

@thejahoflife I count approximately 235 videos that you have made and uploaded to youtube that represent hours upon hours of what can only be described as " a mission". Granted a few are on topics other than JW's but I think its safe to say that they are most certainly an extreme minority. "I have jokes", "embarrassing myself" and a few other box office smashes grace your list. Actually may I suggest for you a new folder that reads Videos I uploaded that are not about JW's . Admit the "HATRED"

[TimKilgore]

@thejahoflife You'd actually be surprised at how little time it takes me to make a video, I think maybe 15 minutes or so, maybe another 10 for editing (which is being quite liberal). Then bear in mind this is a 2 year period. I spend less time talking about JWs than most people spend on facebook playing farmville. I used to have a few videos that defended JWs against James the Preacher but they got pulled because he flagged them.

[thejahoflife]

@TimKilgore Sorry, I confused the amount of time with the number of videos you have uploaded on JW's I should not have done that so lets just say you make a lot of videos on the subject of JW's! You make almost no videos on any other subject. You make the vast majority (if not all) of your videos on the subject of how stupid we are and are not able to comprehend scriptures so "questions for JW's" is dedicated to exposing our inability to reason. Is this more correct?

[TimKilgore]

@thejahoflife Actually not really, I make videos regarding JWs because I get a vast amount of feedback to make videos regarding JWs. However it has nothing to do with JWs not being able to comprehend scripture but more so that they hold double standards regarding many of their policies and don't recognize that they use logical fallacies to reason away everything.

[TimKilgore]

@thejahoflife If my mother or other family member becomes a Scientologist, Mormon etc and are so diligent in the belief of said religion that I feel they would introduce my children to said religion I would be uploading videos regarding that religion. Out of all the religions in the world only two have had major legislation in major countries seeking to ban them, JWs are not one of them. The two are Scientology and the Moonies. They are GLOBALLY hated, no question about it.

[TimKilgore]

@thejahoflife Maybe the endured half the stuff I did when I was a JW. I did use the metaphor Cramped and narrow is the road, it's a literary trick to use a familiar metaphor to illustrate a different viewpoint.

[radoliz2]

Do you like getting body building advise from, a person with no evidence of any form or muscle workouts? I bet you don't, you might say you don't mind, but in really people do not accept advice from people, if they don't see they as being users. Whether it be Health products, bodybuilding, etc. So, the WTBTS has rules to help the ones getting the message to accept that it is benefical. Look how nice and orderly their conventions are. No trash left behind, compared to others? Open your eyes wider

[radoliz2]

Certainly, the message was on que and not flawed for the time it was being presented. Most of the others that covers house to house, are very spotty at best. I have no one ever coming to my door other than JWs now for the last seven years since I moved. With the exception of political campaigners. Had a few JP's and scholl counselmen wannabees. The message has changed according to time, events not realized, and new understandings (light). They have spearheaded the truths from the bible to all.

[TimKilgore]

@radoliz2 Actually funny as I've been at my house for 7 years and I've been reached 12 times by Mormons and 1 time by JWs. There is one Mormon temple near me but I'm within a 10 mile radius of 5 Kingdom Halls. Could you tell me the research you've done on the territory that Mormons cover to say that their coverage is spotty at best. Hard numbers if you please.

[radoliz2]

@TimKilgore Tim come on, you want me to take your word that they called at your place twelve times? Show me the signed territory card...lol No seriously, you have a real problem dude. The kingdom message is for all peoples whether they have a higher education (like yours) or a 3rd grade education with no reading writing skills. The highest of theological professors, cant' bring themselves out of their education, to know the wisdom of the truth. You may be headed in that direction just too!

[radoliz2]

@TimKilgore You study for years things around you, and yet just scratch the very surface of things. Plus one little piece of mis-information and down the long hard road to discovering you were mis-lead and wasted all your valuabe time. Thats what is nice about the WTBTS, they have done the bulk of the discovery for you. It fits intyo the theme of the bible "paradise lost paradise restored". You can argue with me, but you can't win arguments with Jehovah and his written purposes. He's gonna win.

[TimKilgore]

@radoliz2 Unfortunately the bible says those who put their trust in men will be disappointed time and time again. Just like the WTBTS they've done the bulk of discovery and time and time again it's proved as wrong. I'm not really arguing with you, I'm asking a question, you're goingn on a tangent that has nothing to do with what I asked, I point it out and the logical fallacies in your tangent then you go on another unrelated tangent.

[radoliz2]

@TimKilgore Tim there you go again." Just like the WTBTS they've done the bulk of discovery and time and time again it's proved as wrong." Proved them wrong on what? Date setting? Rule setting? Some of the crazy wishfull thinking they had years ago that caused them to make purchases for dead people? Come on! All you lined up was msitakes made. They done the bulk of discovery, of what? God's intended purpose for humans and the earth. Prove that wrong, prove that God is not going to raise the dead

[thejahoflife]

@radoliz2 Don't forget brother the burden is on Tim and those like him to prove that any other Christian Religion is following John 17:3 with any degree of diligence and interestingly following John 17:3 is the ONLY way to everlasting life. So the question is what other group of Christians in the world actually apply John 17:3 to the degree that Jehovah's Witnesses apply it? Use some form of proof other than your opinion. Let me help you Every JW on earth does this weekly as a school.

[TimKilgore]

@thejahoflife Ah but the problem with John 17:3 is that you're ignoring Romans 10:9, what does it say there "You must confess Jesus as Lord", now what word is used for Lord there? Kyrios, what else does the NWT translate Kyrios as? Jehovah right? So every religion follows John 17:3 to follow the one true God, it's just that JWs don't follow Romans 10:9. I guess the burden of proof is back in your court, how do you confess Jesus as Jehovah if you don't believe in the trinity?

[thejahoflife]

@TimKilgore But Jehovah is God and Jesus does (by his own admission) have absolutely no knowledge of when the end comes exactly, so how could Jesus be the same Kyrios that you are saying the translation says he is. That's not possible if he is Jehovah or God is it?

[TimKilgore]

@thejahoflife It's not a problem if you understand the trinity teaching. What does phiipians say about Jesus, he had to take a slave's form right. Therefore to be a man he could not come down in all his glory, he would've had to have placed restrictions on himself. So this would be something that God in all his glory (the Father/Jehovah) would know but God in human form (The Son/Jesus) would not. You really have to study the teaching more man.

[thejahoflife]

@TimKilgore then If its logical to conclude that Jesus received his GOD status back in heaven why did GOD have to give him the Revelation the he in turn gave to John?

[TimKilgore]

@thejahoflife To which are you referring, do you mean when Jesus was baptized the whole thing with the holy spirit? I contend with that because Jesus at the age of 12 spent time in the temple learning and teaching, so I contend he always knew he was God but since he was limited by human form the full God the father in all his glory in heaven would have to tell him certain things since he was limited in human form. This is really not that hard of a concept is it?

[thejahoflife]

@TimKilgore Here is where your condescending behavior has sped ahead of you Tim. I clearly said above "REVELATION" so turn in your bible to REVELATION and at chapter 1 verse 1 A Revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him.

do you see how we as dumb JW's arrive at the conclusion that Jesus is not God with scriptures like this one. Do you see how in revelations (approx 60 years after Jesus died) Jesus would be BACK IN HEAVEN and still not God , proven in that all the signs were GIVEN!!! to him

[TimKilgore]

@thejahoflife I keep seeing how Dumb JWs continually make a symbollic book like revelation mean literal things which is interesting. One number is literal out of a book filled with symbollic numbers. Who is the ransom sacrifice that humans mediate through to get to God? God in human form Jesus, so why would Jesus get a revelation to give to a human, the human contact for God. This is common sense man.

[thejahoflife]

@TimKilgore What?

[TimKilgore]

@thejahoflife Something you don't understand? I know you're a smart guy, I don't have to use smaller words right?

[thejahoflife]

@TimKilgore I dont get your point. Firstly Jesus does not give the revelation to John. If you read revelations you would know that. Jesus uses another angel to relate the information. the point is that the scripture reads That thae revelation that Jesus gives the angel that he in turn gives to John EMINATES or has its origin from GOD!!!!

It passes from GOD to JESUS to an ANGEL to JOHN so the point is if Jesus IS!!! God why is he second in the bread line? Its not smaller words I need just clarity

[TimKilgore]

@thejahoflife It's symbollic as most of Revelation is. How did the truth from God be known, God in all his glory begat Jesus God in human form to teach who passed his teachings to the Apostles who then passed it to others. What is Revelation? The fufillment of those teachings, so why wouldn't it be passed on the same way to the man receiving the Revelation?

[thejahoflife]

@TimKilgore There is no indicatiomn that this portion is symbolic just as the ending of revelations is not symbolic. The end is a statement of warning by God to those who have thoughts of adding to or removing information from the scrolls of the book. I don't know Tim this could be symbolic maybe God meant The Guinness book of World records or Maybe even a book of matches or The big book of cooking (thats a good read) well who knows. I will assume until otherwise informed that he means his book.

[TimKilgore]

@thejahoflife There's no indication that the 144,000 number isn't symbollic, there's no indication of what is or isn't symbollic in the book of Revelation. So how is the bible given to people? How do people discover the word of God, wasn't it through Jesus then through Jesus followers? Why wouldn't he do the same in a book that is a giant metaphor for this being fufilled?

[thejahoflife]

@TimKilgore Jesus is called "the Word of God" and he was given that title by God. Jesus was always and still is a loyal "Son of God" and always does Gods will and "the things that please him" so "God saw fit for all his fullness to dwell in him" Prophets were selected by God to bring warnings to people. Angels were assigned to warn help and save people and Jesus was the Messiah spoken of by some of those prophets but God orchestrates all of it. 1Cor 15:20-28 indicates God will rule alone.

[TimKilgore]

@thejahoflife OK so Jesus was called the Word of God, actually John 1:1 states the word WAS God, then what does John 1:14 say? And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us. 1 Tim 3:16 "God was manifest in the flesh" what was I saying Jehovah was, God in all his glory right not limited, what does the scripture go on to say? Received up into glory. You know the bible well man, you should already know this stuff.

[thejahoflife]

@TimKilgore John 1:1 has been argued for many years now, there is a great debate here on youtube as to why a god must be intended and therefore must be investigated in light of all other scripture that indicates Jesus is not Jehovah God. remember that the bible says there are also many gods.....it also called satan the "god of the air" I do know this stuff Tim I just use the whole bible and not a few scriptures, granted there is definitely the room to confuse one for the other at times.

[TimKilgore]

@thejahoflife I feel the opposite, I am pointing out scriptures that clearly support Jesus is God which I feel you're ignoring scriptures about. Logos en theos if I'm not mistaken is the original Greek, there is no denying that is the word WAS GOD, not A God or anything like that. I thought you said the bible said there was only one true God? So how can the word be a God as well if it's not THE God?

[thejahoflife]

@TimKilgore Here is the greek for Timothy 3:16 MYCTHPION.....see this Greek word Tim, it does not mean what all those lying bible translations say it means and because they have misrendered the Greek here, the sentence loses its meaning. The scripture intends to identify Jesus as the "SACRED SECRET" of God..thats the meaning of the Greek and rendered properly it makes reference to a term applied to the coming Messiah The "sacred secret" . Jesus is the sacred secret OF God ./.............SIMPLE

[thejahoflife]

@thejahoflife Look it up yourself then for once Admit you see the proof!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TimKilgore]

@thejahoflife What am I looking up? You severely mixed up your verses and ancient Greek here.

[TimKilgore]

@thejahoflife Firstly you've picked the wrong word here it's not Mycthpion that's not a greek word at all, you're talking about Mysterion I believe. However you're also in the wrong verse as I was talking about John 1:14 where it says "The word was made flesh" which The word is logos. You're confusing translations, using wrong words and mixing up scriptural references. This is why I chose to do a formal study of the Greek and Hebrew.

[thejahoflife]

@TimKilgore No Tim, at Timothy 3:16 the first half of this scripture in most translations is " 16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, ." whereas the Greek in this scripture reads quite literally " and avowedly great is the of the devoutness close keep secret God was made appear in flesh" This devout closely kept secret is the sacred secret Jesus. His heavenly person made to appear on earth as flesh.

[TimKilgore]

@thejahoflife Oh does it now? OK could you tell me which translation translates it the way you do and why their translation specifically is more accurate than the one widely translated elsewhere. Please cite sources as to why, ones with degrees in Greek I would hope and if we're strictly talking about your greek translation could I get your qualifications for overriding the widely accepted translation?

[thejahoflife]

@TimKilgore Which translation are you using Tim? and what does it say verbatim

[TimKilgore]

@thejahoflife Ah shifting the burden of proof. You said that the widely used translation is wrong, but now you want me to prove why me using the widely used translation is right instead of you proving why it's wrong with your credentials. Shifting the burden of proof and a bit of posturing.

[thejahoflife]

@TimKilgore Actually You are using this scripture to support a trinity teaching therefore you brought this line of reasoning into play I do therefore put the burden of proof on you to make your point using verifiable reasoning. I am only refuting your position when defending a much mistranslated scripture. If it helps you I am using an authorized version sir.

[TimKilgore]

@thejahoflife You're calling it mistranslated, that's why the burden of proof stands on you. I am going by the widely accepted translation. If the widely known is wrong and someone says it is, the burden of proof relies on you.

[thejahoflife]

@TimKilgore Tim, that verse at Timothy 3:16 has been translated into more completely different renderings than any other scripture. Lay your Greek on the line or concede. I have already told you I am using an AUTHORIZED translation of the Greek. your English scripture is WRONG and now you back it up with Greek that is wrong.

[TimKilgore]

@thejahoflife Oh OK, I thought you were talking about John 1:14 I mentioned. What you're doing here is a strawman, the translation I was using of 1 Tim 3:16 says mystery, you tie it to John 1:14, it's the second part of 1 Tim 3:16 I was pointing out "he appeared in the flesh", you're the one who brought up Jesus was the word of God I was tying the scriptures together.

[radoliz2]

@TimKilgore Prove them wrong, about it not being wise to celebrate holidays. Especially because they are surrounded by lies and hurtful things, because they are not biblically based. Prove they are wrong exposing the trinty! Prove there is going to be a place where people are going to be tormented in hell foreverever.Yes they have done a lot of research,and they have brought the world up along with them, by making these new found truths available at everyones doorstep. easy to say not easy 2 do

[TimKilgore]

@radoliz2 Not a problem, if it's unwise to celebrate pagan traditional holidays then anniversaries should be out and so should weddings. The wedding ring is a pagan symbol, so if that is acceptable with all the same pagan roots as Halloween and Christmas then those holidays should be acceptable. For the trinity that's easy the answer lies in Romans and 2 Timothy and the greek word Kyrios. I can prove hell as well, I will in a future video in the next few days.

[radoliz2]

@TimKilgore They leave the facities so clean, that even the owners are amazed at their conduct. (THE OWNERS, people with money and vantage points to see how others behave.) Now at any of these conventions, do they teach you to put trust in men? No, quite the opposite, they want ones to not be mislead away by those who are self-importtant. So, yes the blunders of the WTBTS are great, but they mother us better than any other organization on earth at this time. Do more research on that bro.

[radoliz2]

The mormons message is like the JWS? The goodnews about the arrival of Gods kingdom must be preached to everyone far and wide. Remember the comment made by someone about the unibomber? It was made something like, they bet the JW's called on him several times even though he was quite well hiding deep away from mainstream. Thats because they have a reputation to not miss a single person. It really is a testament to the complete devotion to carry on their preaching work in an organized way.

[radoliz2]

Last post was to be kind to the elderly and my neighbors. To cont. These things I was taught, you can't take away from me. When I go asleep in death and awake again I will know exactly where Iam. I will be glad all of this suffering is to an end, that will never be repeated on earth. I was also taught that other religions didn't teach the same things, because they refused to reason on the scriptures. May all who read and watch these videos, know that not all is bad with Jehovahs Witnesses.

[TimKilgore]

@radoliz2 Hmmm, I seem to recall some Watchtowers that teach the exact opposite of what you were taught. Where are you getting this that I think all is bad with Jehovah's Witnesses? You realize I have active JW friends right? I also think they're nice people, charitable they are not. Anyway I guess you can respond and put your time in all the while not addressing a single issue raised.

[radoliz2]

@TimKilgore Ah! Nice friends but not charitable. They spends their lives living an example of how should live. They help their neighbors, they take jobs others won't do, except the mexicans. They have some of the lowest incomes because they are shunned by the world due to their honesty in all things. They spend their money in gas coming to everyones door with goodnews that the end of this unjust system is about to close with a sudden clap of hands. They can't be charitable being kept poor. silly

[TimKilgore]

@radoliz2 I know many JWs that would take offense to your comments here, and they are hardly shunned. As I've said before if you search anti-religion sites there are THOUSANDS more sites dedicated to Scientology than JWs and Scientology is actively getting banned in various countries. Let me ask you if I went door to door teaching about JWs being a cult would that be charity work? How is trying to gain converts charitable then?

[radoliz2]

@TimKilgore Now see, your spinning wheel is working overtime again. They take a kingdon message to peoples doors. Yes, they hope to have bible studies, and more help in the field of witnessing. But you spin it into them being only concern to convert people. They geniunely concern for people that may lose their lives at the end of the system. You spin it as them only being concern with raising the numbers of members. You really are a Bill O'Really from FOX NEWs aren't you?

[TimKilgore]

@radoliz2 I spin nothing, if they were truly concerned with people possibly losing their lives then they wouldn't hand in a slip at the end of the month with the number of hours they spent doing this, counting how many publications they placed and how many bible studies they have. They would just do the work without concern for any of these factors. I would say your comments here are FAR more comparable to O'Reilly.

[radoliz2]

@TimKilgore What? Are you kidding? People in higher authority are far removed from daily activities, especially a worldwide org. These people have to use some form to keep some track of what goes on outside the office doors. Now I don't agree with the pressure they place on everybody to be producers, but I do agree with them wanting to see how the work is progressing. Other wise they might as well just close up shop if the message/invitation is getting no where outside the kingdom halls.

[TimKilgore]

@radoliz2 Mormons don't count their time but they regularly go door to doo, I don't see their message going nowhere. Also they keep track of the number getting baptized, could they not tell their message is getting somewhere if the baptisms go up?

[radoliz2]

I'm not very smart, or educated, but I do know this! I was taught as a Jehovahs witness, to be to the elderly, my neighbors, my enemies. I was taught to be kind to the animals, to love them as our servents here on earth. To not take them for granted like so many do. I was taught that the goodnews, was actually a plan of Jehovah God.A plan already working on our behalf, to return mankind to a state of peace and security like it was meant to be, before sin entered into the world.

[kingofyal1]

Another good video, thank you bro...

[radoliz2]

No your not! You are encouraging people, who don"t know Jehovah or anything about a true God. Too take the easy way out, and not get involved. Then at the very end, with a fork in the road, they have to rely on what they have, they will likely choose the wrong way course. Because of you, and your mind control BS. They practice educational skills that you will find in any organization on the face of the earth. They make it clear, you don't have to accept it. Consequences befall you if you don't.

[TimKilgore]

@radoliz2 Firstly there are 33,380 different denominations of Christianity how do you know none of them are more truthful than the JWs and don't have the mind control of the JWs? Secondly Jehovah is not the true God, that's not God's name it's actually AHWH. You should read the WT website where they say Jehovah isn't God's name.

[hilldiggity]

@archeng123 Before getting baptized, people are well aware of the consequences. For some, it's worth it. But if you know the speed limit is 35 and you go 55, you're aware that you're going to risk getting a speeding ticket if you get pulled over. I'm not saying being disfellowshipped or shunned is easy, but if you choose to get dunked and know the rules, then don't break them or don't bitch about the consequences if you get caught.

[TimKilgore]

@hilldiggity I don't know about that one, if a seven year old gets baptized he never thinks that he'll ever find something wrong with the teachings he's been taught his whole life. I know of people who are baptized that don't know about 1919 or how 1914 was gotten, if they were informed of this they might not have gotten baptized. So the issue is a little murkier than that.

[hilldiggity]

@TimKilgore In the circuit I grew up in, 13 was pushing it for being 'too young' for baptism. I can't fatthom what brothers are thinking to let a 7yo get dunked! It's sick and sad. What I should have made clear was that the people who sleep around or do drugs and caught should know better. Being disfellowshipped for disagreeing with doctrine is ridiculous. Politicians who switch parties have it easier!

[Quasiprophet]

@hilldiggity Oops! Missed this comment before I made mine. Gotcha. Still can't blame those people though. Personally I believe the cognitive dissonance they're being bombarded with sets it up so they "fail".

[hilldiggity]

@Quasiprophet It's cool. You still made good points. For many families, it can be a popularity contest...."If everyone else's kid is baptized, what will they think if mine isn't?" I was fortunate to have a mom who stressed that what you do is between you and god, not anyone in the hall. It gave me a great groundwork not to worry about what anyone thinks about me, while still being open to feedback. Just not letting it rule my life.

[Quasiprophet]

@hilldiggity I didn't get so much pressure from my parents, but I did from the rest of the hall. I think they thought it weird that a kid of one of the 144,000 wasn't jumping up and down to get baptized by the time they were 11. I started getting approached by elders about it at an early age.

[hilldiggity]

@Quasiprophet OMG! How inappropriate is that? What did they say to you? At 11 I couldn't pick out one Barbie I wanted most, let alone making a commitment to "god". What's your story now ...or did you post a response to PropagandaTechniques video?

[Quasiprophet]

@hilldiggity Oh, just that gentle nudging about "don't you think it's time you took all of this more seriously?" Yup, I posted a response to PT's vid. I haven't told my story of leaving yet, but I'm getting around to it. It's fairly close to Slanelcla's, actually, but we'll see what I can throw in to make it unique.

[hilldiggity]

@Quasiprophet Just be yourself...that's unique enough, you precious little unduplicatable snowflake! (I think I just made up a new word! lol)

[Quasiprophet]

@hilldiggity I gotta disagree. None of the children baptized the I knew were fully aware of the consequences. Most weren't even fully aware of the situation that led to the consequences. They bowed to the social pressure all the same though. When you're a kid and everyone wants you to do it even if you're not ready, the pressure can be so intense you just recite the answers with the correct buzzwords so you can be like everyone else and get dunked.

[TimKilgore]

@gramosjr7 Thanks Ray Comfort. Would you mind showing me those verses that specifically say you're going to hell mainly because the scriptures that say it are almost all illustrations or visions and hell is symbollic. Did God send his son or send himself to die for our sins? Would you mind proving to me God wasn't Jesus. Part of the deal for admitting Christ as your savior is getting the teachings right, so let's start with that.

[pianodavy]

Great video...very inspiring.

[propagandatechniques]

I am proud of you Tim:

You broke the cycle of terror and slavery that took root in your family tree. Also, thanks for pointing out all the logical fallacies in my arguments that eventually set me free. The Watchtower had a nice run; however, it has run out. Now, it is our overlapping generation that will set the captives free from tyrannical mind control.

Sincerely,

Craig

[TimKilgore]

@propagandatechniques I thought for sure the generation would leave tons of people packing when it changed to an overlapping one, apparently I totally misjudged the power of cognitive dissonance. In time though, I'm sure in time we'll be talking about the Watchtower in the past tense.

[propagandatechniques]

@TimKilgore I am not so sure the average members are fully conscious of the things we see so clearly. That's why we have to be very clever in our deprogramming. I often think of what would have shocked me when inside. RandCam would have certainly sent me reeling.

I rode by the Farm in Wallkill today and thought of what will happen to all those buildings and land when the Watchtower is history. Honestly, it looks like an excellent place for a huge concentration camp.

[radoliz2]

@propagandatechniques So, while your setting out to set free those from mind control. What are you going to replace it with? And what about those under the mind control of other faiths? I guess your out to do away with religion, so your out to speed the end along before Jehovah puts it in the minds of the officials? Your basically getting ahead of Jehovah in trying to force things into a judgement against organized religion. Me? I guess, I'll wait on Jehovah, his timetable, his wayof doingthings

[propagandatechniques]

@radoliz2 That's the difference between us; I am setting people free from mind control, silenced pedophilia, and total ruination of families and friendships; and, you're "waiting on Jehovah," which is loaded language for "doing nothing."

[TimKilgore]

@propagandatechniques It's OK they'll have great company with all the people who have been waiting on Jehovah for the last 2000 years or so.

[propagandatechniques]

@TimKilgore It's great to be free.

I think ones are going to be shocked to see the waters of the Euphrates dry up before officials even have a chance to stop the WTS. The WTS is going to be a beached whale, once again proving the WTS is a false prophet. They never anticipated Youtube being their death. They always counted on their demise being the UN.

[radoliz2]

@TimKilgore Yes, can you imagine if Jehovah hadn't speed-ed up humans life on earth, by the tenth power at Noah s flood? It would have to be 20,000 years of suffering to get all the things lined up and answered, before he could make things new! That would have been a lot more children dead, I can tell you that!

[TimKilgore]

@radoliz2 You don't think humans would've taken that population under control by then. Have you noticed that any time there's a large population on the earth something befalls the human population. There was a study between rats that the more populated they became regardless of how well fed they became the more violent they became until the population was under control.

[radoliz2]

@radoliz2 So, we are all behaving like rats? lol

[OhReallyNoWai]

@propagandatechniques Simple people need siple answers to big questions and don't care about whether it's true or not. It's like giving a pacifier to a baby. You can try to talk some sense into these people, I have tried it a lot. It's hard, and the problem is that they are stubborn as hell. They tend to come up with any excuse to confirm their religion, even beyond the ridiculous, simply because they like the emotional comfort that comes with it.

[TimKilgore]

@OhReallyNoWai Great comment, oh and funny username.

[propagandatechniques]

@OhReallyNoWai I am not convinced their auto-justification is not coming from subliminal fear emotion.

[Quasiprophet]

Hehheh. Yeah, I had an elder tell me the footprint story too. He didn't seem to comprehend the difference between playing ostrich and finding spiritual truth.

[mabon2010]

I like all your videos as they are well presented and intelligent.

Two things which will help kill off the Jehovah Witnesses:

1. No Entry

Near all people will look the JW's up on the internet before joining to learn more, they find sites like TimKilgore and that kills their enthusiasm to join.

2. Exit strategy

It appears JW's fail to leave as they lack an alternative support structure. Ex-JW's should provide a central internet support structure for those leaving the JW's. Try wackwall.com

[anzwertree]

Dude you rock 

[Ribcagehacksaw]

I think exJW's are some of the most grateful people I have ever met. We really respect and appreciate our freedom. I am proud to call you my brother, Tim. Wonderful video. *faved*

[radoliz2]

Also it is a good place for some who wish to have structure in their lives. It is better than the structure a prison cell provides when getting caught in serious wrongdoing. It isn't for some, and like myself I think Tim wanted some freedom. It is a very time consuming religion, and they are constantly guilt tripping anyone seen as not working hard enough in the ministry. So, I guess their is Good and Bad, but knowing about Jehovah and his bible like they know, is pricceless. I'm glad I been in.

[TimKilgore]

@radoliz2 Freedom really had nothing to do with it. The reason I left was listed in my Final Tough Question.

[radoliz2]

@TimKilgore No your pride, and a need inside yourself, to not be wasting your time caused you to leave. It wasn't a waste, unless you prove it a waste, by continuiing down the road your currently going on. Otherwise you would have continued at building up your treasures in the heavens, rather than on this earth in a world about to pass away. My advice to you, is reverse your course in favor of pointing the way to go, out to people. Instead of trying to pin everyone against everyone 4A battle.

[hilldiggity]

@radoliz2 Why do so many JW's think that if you're not a JW anymore, you're out smoking crack and nailing hookers and being a criminal? Talk about black and white! It's all those damn pictures of "worldly" people in the publications making many believe that's the only option if you leave. So many people are the SAME kind, funny, intelligent people they were as JW's, they just don't believe the doctrine anymore. Their worth as people is just as valuable no matter what they choose to believe.

[radoliz2]

@hilldiggity I was always taught, that those pictures represent what you could be involved in if you leave. The funny thing, it was being done by witnesses children while they were in the org. No one is immune to these behaviors. But they need to become more forgiving of those who leave without wanting the elders to examine all the facts surrounding their lives. They are like people who love watching "COPS" taking delite in others troubles. I like the catholics way of confessing in a booth.lol

[hilldiggity]

@radoliz2 I thought that too, until the last few years when I befriended some disfellowshipped witnesses, working towards being reinstated, who basically said being worldly = all the bad in those pics. I know not everyone believes that, of course. :) Oh man...if there was a confessional, whoever the biggest congregation gossip is would have their ear to that booth door! LOL

[radoliz2]

@archeng123 Yes, I totally agree! I have family members still shunning my request of not being recognized as a JW from back in 95! They disfellowship you for life! No forgiveness policy, everyone treated like apostates. Thats what I want Tim to understand, it would be better to educate the program for people entering. But still advise that they know their bible, it is a good education for new kingdom preparation. A heads up or headstart program of the many things to come.

[TimKilgore]

@radoliz2 Oh they know their interpretation of the bible very well, but other teachings they don't know the first thing about. They only know the refutations to other teachings they don't know why other religions believe in trinity, hellfire, or the scriptural evidence for them. They think their three scriptures trump another teaching's six, or whatever. Baptists, Mormons, hell Branch Davidians know the bible just as well and most Atheists know it better.

[tubian323]

C'mon, you don't miss getting to roll up mic cords? But seriously, you got married in a hot air balloon? That's awesome man, AWESOME! I'm glad to hear that you are happy and having a good time in life.

[TimKilgore]

@tubian323 Oh rolling up mic cords is absolutely the only thing I miss about being a JW, I still roll up my vacuum cleaner cord three times a week just to reminice.

[hilldiggity]

@TimKilgore LMAO Hopefully by now they have freakin' wireless mic's. It *is* 2010 for fuck's sake.

[PurpleHoneyBear]

Thank you so much for sharing your story so eloquently, Tim.

Perhaps one day I will share my own.

[radoliz2]

I don't get it. You are happy to have your new found freedom, but you wish to prevent those not knowing the way of Jehovah from studying Gods word with the WTBTS? I say, to those thirsting for truth about our creator. There is no better place to learn about him at this time. So, if you go into the org. stay away from baptism and have an exit strategy/plan. But don't recommend people staying in satans darkness, that is just plain wrong on so many levels.

[TimKilgore]

@radoliz2 Can you tell me why learning the truth from the WTBTS is better than learning the truth from the Associated Bible Students, The Dawn Bible Students, the Christadelphians or the Second Day Adventists?  What does the WT have right that they have wrong?

[radoliz2]

@TimKilgore Because the are not in every little town across the world, For one. Then they continue celebrating holidays, right? Do they promote the correct understanding of Jehovah? Tim they might be fine people, and so love and kindness just as the JW's, but they haven't shed all the light in all the dark corners yet. Remember, if it hadn't been for all those publications you helped distribute, these other churches would still be preaching a lot of B-crap totally devoid of scriptural backing.

[TimKilgore]

@radoliz2 JWs are not in every little town across the world, in fact they're not in entire countries. No holidays for them, what do you mean by correct understanding of Jehovah? Are you just posturing because you have no idea what the difference in teachings are between JWs and the others I mentioned? Try studying them to find out before answering, there's only one difference between JWs and Associated Bible Students teachings, care to name it?

[radoliz2]

@TimKilgore I have ended my subscription with your highness. You are just too smart for me...lol Good luck with your excuses for the deception you are causing about the wonderful true God, and of the Organization which has returned his name to the scriptures, and has explained him to us. I'm sure Jehovah will act mercifully towards all of your works to return us to the dark ages of the 1400 when people did not even know god or his name.

[TimKilgore]

@radoliz2 Ah I see you're great at talking shit and pretending to be some knowledgable scriptural person but when there are follow-ups about them you back away, take your ball and run home. All I asked was if you could tell me the one difference between the Associated Bible Students and JWs after you gave me a list of things that were wrong. By smart you mean I don't open my mouth without researching things first? Aw muffin...does your pussy hurt too?

[Quasiprophet]

@radoliz2 Well gee, if you want someone dumber that you can try and convert or maybe even win a debate with you're always free to subscribe to my channel instead.

[TimKilgore]

@Quasiprophet That's deceptive, you're better than I am at this stuff :) You must find it incredibly funny that there's miles and miles of comments here and the second you ask their qualifications for their deductions they run away, especially when it's revealed the person they're debating is FAR more qualified than they are.

[Quasiprophet]

@TimKilgore Bah! I can't be better at it if I never get the chance. They always run away when faced with having to discuss actual truth instead of picking apart words and phrases for twisted meanings. It *is* funny though, in a "how sad their life must be" kind of way. You can't help but feel for them, remembering when we were like that too. Oh well, comments like this show he's on his way to stepping out too. He'll likely be making vids with us before you know it. :)

[TimKilgore]

@Quasiprophet I've long stopped feeling for them, even at my most brainwashed I never did anything but logical discussions, it's just in my nature. I wouldn't be surprised if they make videos, but more like E-Watchman though.

[Quasiprophet]

@TimKilgore I dunno, looks like he might be subbed to more like us than like him. I was completely brainwashed for a time, I remember being so conflicted I couldn't tell the difference between what was right and the emotional validation one could get from using fallacies to win an argument. Back then I considered it a "lesser evil", as he likely does. No excuse, but I can identify.

[TimKilgore]

@Quasiprophet Heh, let them sub to someone else that will accept their arguments as anything but posturing. I'm not a fan of people who will make comments like they are knowledgable about a subject and when questioned run away. Maybe you can reach them man, I think at this point you're alot more empathetic and patient than I am. Then again they didn't tell you that you were killing your children by not listening to them.

[Quasiprophet]

@TimKilgore Sure, but I've been told awful things too. That I'm a devil worshipper, a rapist, some sacrilegious bastard even called me an apostate, can you imagine? :D They call you what they hate about themselves. He probably fears to ever have the blood transfusion issue come up with his child because he's afraid of what he'll choose . Or maybe I'm just patient today because all that's REALLY bugging me is this throbbing headache. That and I have this beer keg forming instead of your 6-pack.

[TimKilgore]

@Quasiprophet Ha... six pack my ass. I have a LONG way to go before I have a six pack LOL. I'm curious about the whole calling others what they hate about themselves. I guess that would explain all the fat comments and gay comments on my channel, that or the fact I'm overweight and have sex with men ;)

[Quasiprophet]

@TimKilgore Well you're ahead of me! I blame it on this bad spine, but that's not enough of an excuse for me anymore. Sometimes they call others what they fear or just don't understand about themselves too. Or it's such a bad thing in their little world they think it will hurt you like it does them. Oh ya do, huh? Well between you and skinny SomeStylistGuy we've got that range covered. I guess I'll just eat some donuts and chug cock on the weekends, when you guys need a night off.

[TimKilgore]

@Quasiprophet Chugging Cock is T-Shirt quality, and you know I'm a man who likes to make T-Shirts out of silly stuff :)

[Quasiprophet]

@TimKilgore Well then I'll have to give credit and say I think I picked that up from the movie "Things To Do In Denver When You're Dead", but I'm betting the phrase isn't copyrighted. Check your email for a little divine inspiration. :P

[hilldiggity]

@Quasiprophet Yo! If it's not copyrighted, submit it to tshirthell[dot]com and you could get some $. :) 

[TimKilgore]

@Quasiprophet OK now you're officially freaking me out, I thought I was the only one that had watched that movie even more than once. I regularly reference the buckwheat killing as often as I can.

[Quasiprophet]

@TimKilgore What? That movie is the bees knees! Everyone should have a copy. It's even better than boat drinks!

[hilldiggity]

@radoliz2 Anyone with a mind of their own will find out FOR THEMSELVES what any religion they are interested in has to offer, no matter what some videos on YouTube proclaim.

[rlbjps]

you got married in a hot air balloon? that kicks ass!!

anyway thanks for sharing this with us!