wow that was the best news in the history of news when cenk was on msnbc, exposing the inner working of the corrupt mechanism... no wonder it didnt last long :|
"The fact is you can't tax the very people you expect to invest in our economy and create jobs" That is exactly why we have tax deductions. Companies that invest and create jobs enjoy tax deductions so that they don't have to pay taxes, John Boehner is not worrying about jobs, he is worried about corporate income statements.
@Zyworski Right...which is why when Clinton raised taxes to the exact rates we are talking about today, we only had one of the longest economic expansions in U.S. history. And people must have held back on investing because we only inflated the tech bubble and experienced rapid demand pull inflation. Bush cut taxes and these for the wealthy by 4.6 to its current rate and we experienced the slowest decade of growth since WW2. Kind of blows a whole in your retarded trickle down economics bullshit
@Zyworski Right...which is why when Clinton raised taxes to the exact rates we are talking about today, we only had one of the longest economic expansions in U.S. history. And people must have held back on investing because we only inflated the tech bubble and experienced rapid demand pull inflation. Bush cut taxes and these for the wealthy by 4.6 to its current rate and we experienced the slowest decade of growth since WW2. Kind of blows a whole in your retarded trickle down economics bullshit
Cenk Uygur not only exposes the Tea Parties for who they are, but also President Obama as well. So far they are the Tea Parties who support the businesses to include corporations, especially rich people who have others speak for them since they fear being exposed for who they really are. I may stop having dialogues with them since they reply answers that deviate from direct questions with idiotic comments and baseless accusations.
@ghuegel If you Laisez Faire retards were in charge we would have 10 year olds working in sweat shops. Liberals have ALWAYS been the champions of the poor. You conservatards have always been the champions of oligarchy and grinding the poor beneath the wheels of industry. I find it extremely amusing listening to you retards pretend to be the ones with the middle class interests in mind! hahhahahaha
@ghuegel and yet you can't dispute anything I have said directly...interesting :) Typical tea bagging retard with no sense of history. I wonder why labor unions have always supported the democrats... God you are fucking retarded. The GOP keeps the tax burden on the poor, example: Bush tax cuts. They cut taxes only on personal income where the rich pay the majority of their taxes but keep payroll taxes the same (where the poor pay most of their taxes) Get a clue retard!
@ghuegel lol thank you for proving my point. great nonresponse. If you are going to make retarded assertions that are contrary to the popular belief, you better have some damn good evidence in support. Unfortunately all you have is the typical tea bagger overgeneralizations and one liner talking points that you sheep all regurgitate without any clue as to what they mean! So... Please shut the fuck up untill you can support your moronic claims with examples
@durhamdf How have you ascertained that I am: in support of laissez-faire, a retard, conservative, a champion of oligarchy, a tea bagger, have no sense of history, a republican, etc.?
I have asserted no political ideology. You have invented all the claims I supposedly made.
@ghuegel I would say it is a pretty easy leap to make from this retarded statement: ""We rob banks because that's where the money is." - bank robbers "We rob rich people because that's where the money is." - Democrats" My guess is you are another tax protesting moron. But maybe not, I guess you are right it is possible you are not interested in politics at all and instead are a 14 year old little punk trolling the internet posting moronic comments that you probably don't even understand...
@durhamdf Did you watch the video? Watch at ~9:20. There you have a member of the House of Representatives (a democrat) making the democrat/bank robber analogy... I was just paraphrasing. So all the paranoid ravings you've made at me should instead be directed at her.
As for your last flight of fancy... a dead give-away that you're dealing with such a person is their incessant use of the word "retard".
@ghuegel that isn't at all what she said, and the way you twist other peoples comments out of context just goes further to prove what a RETARD you tea baggers are. So you are really trying to convince me that you are a democrat who thinks that the rich are overburdened by the greedy democrats who want to steal their money?! hahahah, jesus kid there are a lot of retards on Youtube but you sure take the retard cake!
@durhamdf Weird. I never claimed to be a Democrat. Or a tea-bagger. I think you're confused.
You should watch the video again. She made an analogy and I made the same analogy. My comment had zero context... again with your imagination.
And don't expect anyone to take you seriously when you can't help but use the word "retard" over and over and over and over and... etc. Best I can guess is that you're projecting your own insecurities here. But that's just a guess.
@ghuegel Yeah little troll boy, you like to play this game of making ridiculous comment taking quotes completely out of context to attack the dems while keeping your own political identity ambiguous. THen no one can tie you down to an ideology and whenever someone corrects your moronic comments you just distance youself from them by claiming it doesn't represent your own view but rather is just a quote you are repeating. $50 says you are another tea bagging retarded ...just afraid to admit it
The Republicans & the Tea party r both showing their true motives and the majority of the US is not going to buy their bs much longer. Supporting the rich at the expense of everyone else is just insane. We need to remember that the rich only make up approx 1% of the population. Screw the rich.
They are not even close to having a balanced budget in place. Every single congressman and Senator voteing to raise the debit ceiling should be voted out of office next term. 200billion a month - 40 billion to intrest payments leaves 180 billion every month in taxes to run the country. Just cut all unconstituttional depts like the TSA and bring our young people home from these bogus wars would do it.
5:23 is why progressives will never get the votes they should get. Cenk throws a softball, and instead of explaining the content of the progressive budget and the projections from it, she sticks to her talking points.
You won't win over right-wingers by repeating what you say day in day out to your base on the left, to win over the right-wingers, you need to speak their language. You have to drop the talk about the poor, and talk about balancing the budget, and fixing the economy. Fucks sakes.
@wtfjaftw Capitalism, bigger piece of the pie the harder you work. I need to ask, who is taking that bigger piece? You who worked for it or the entrepreneur who snatches it from your plate? Also, first you say people need to work for it, then you say some are born with a big pie? Sounds like elitism. Have you ever read Charles Dickens' works? Oliver Twist? That's unregulated capitalism for you, just as bad as unregulated socialism.
The sad thing here is that even if we started to get our fiscal house in order, eventually the public would lose interest and a Repub would capture the White House and run up the debt and we' d have to go down this road all over again.
I can guarantee you that Sweden is not enslaving it's poor(if you can call them poor) to benefit the rich, but I may be able to say about America which does exactly that with it's poor and middle class...
Sweden being a socialist country, also having the highest income per capita then most of the world, I old say you really need to educate yourself...
@whatdoyouwantandwhy I think you are right. We hardly ever hear news from Sweden, partly because nothing like what is happening in the US is happening in Sweden. Their system works with the fewest number of bugs.
In a capitalism there is a system of supply and demand, from which the markets follow in simplistic terms. Thus without other people to live off of, we can not have capitalism... I also think you need to learn the different social-economic systems before you go into broad generalizations that are not true as well.
Corporate welfare is ok ..Financial aid to poor bad. Cmon man our priorities are backwards. neocons postured about jobs and then executed the old fumble-rooski the old bait and switch. I cant wait for elections 2012!!!! the voters will remember the House producing more legislation on abortion then jobs!
Tea Party will throw boener out. We will also throw out disloyal republicans AND of course democrats since they are all about big goverment and taxing people to hell. Big goverment sucks. How can you liberals support big goverment? They take away our freedoms, they suck.
@calimar28 interestingly enough, the conservatives were remarkably mum when Bush pursued statist 'big government' policies. what the fuck were you doing when the patriot act was passed? Name one freedom that the liberals have denied you.
I don't get how the speaker of the house can talk about Government spending and big government being bad... acting like he's not part of government. He's the speaker of the fucking house, HE IS THE GOVERNMENT THAT HE COMPLAINS ABOUT.
The GOP isn't "torn" between the teabaggers and Wall Street. They use the teabaggers to get them to vote for them so they can get money from Wall Street.
@wtfjaftw Well that is how all systems work... In capitalism we live off other people, the only difference is some people get bigger pies then others.
But in reality all economic systems feed off everyone else...
@wtfjaftw That's not what a corporation is - it's a legal fiction where managers are absolved from complete liability and the shareholders don't really risk much - a situation made possible only by government intervention. When a corporation like BP messes up, who do you think picks up the tab? Hint: it's not Tony Hayward.
" The democrats need to go left. The republican need to stay where they are. The third party can be a centralist. There, problem solved"
If the democrats went any further left we'd be Canada. I like the USA more than Canada and I don't like big government programs that require my tax dollars. Stay the fuck where you are and out of my wallet.
Lets see, the corporate government stole all the money from baby boomer entitlement withholdings, and now they want to discount what they have to pay them because there aren't enough Young Turks to keep the ponzi scheme going...got it...we have an 80 trillion entitlement hole so when I hear "spreading" as a method to deal with this problem, even at the 14 trillion due in hard cash today, I just see old people trying to get theirs before the clock runs out...
"you obviously misspelled foxnews with cenk uygur. cenk isnt pro propaganda he is telling the truth"
You are a brainwashed progressive idiot if you think Cenk Uyger tells the truth. The only truth he tells is based on your ideals. Cenk speaks on behalf of socialists, lesbians, and muslims. Fox news speaks on behalf of capitalists, middle-class, traditional, Christian Americans. I am independent and see through the bullshit of both sides. You are a brainwashed progressive fool.
@pennjersey83 so what about non christian americans? the poor class? im pretty sure your statement just proved a point on who is really brainwashed. Cenk is atheist by the way so i don't see how muslims come into the argument. And what did lesbians do so wrong--are they adding to the deficit? Who are these socialists? You are just spitting rhetoric that FoxNews tells its viewers to say, they sound all nice and patriotic but its just bigotry and ignorance.
@TheIndependentView2 everyone has there agenda, but calling cenk a propaganda whore i disagree with. we all have opinions but cenk at least tries to support his opinions with fact and not racism, patriotism, and ignorance to sway his viewers. So how does pennjersey make a good point with her opinion of calling cenk that? that is how the conversation came about...
Regardless, Cenk Uyger and other pundits on MSNBC will never get as high as ratings as Fox because the majority of Americans, who are white and Christian, find MSNBC to be disgusting. Most Americans, including myself, are pro-traditional values and we don't support the liberal tendency to "express themselves" flamboyantly. Go have your gay pride parade on another street.
@pennjersey83 let's be honesty, white christians find anything that isn't white and christian 'disgusting'. i for one, don't care about that, but i do care that white christians are so adamant about denying their racism, sexism, jingoism, theism, lack of education, white privilige, all the while claiming they have 'black friends'-maybe you people should just own up to that?
@Umishiru I would agree that the industrial revolution was a terrible time to be a worker, but I wouldn't call it laissez faire - in fact, it was right after the Civil War when the Republicans enacted some of the biggest corporate welfare measures in the US history. I can't post the link here, but there was a great article on The Freeman by Sheldon Richman titled "No Laissez Faire There". It's a left-libertarian perspective on the Gilded Age - I suggest you google it even if you disagree.
@Umishiru I agree with your sentiment but disagree with your analysis. Corporate welfare is when the government gives privileges, favors or just straight out money to capitalists of their liking, and surprisingly enough a lot of Progressive Era legislation did just that. Labor, anti-trust and regulatory legislation of that time was written by lobbyists and consumer protection was only superficial. FDR actually gave some businesses unapologetically monopolies! (Read "Triumph of Conservatism")
@Umishiru I don't think it's corporate greed that corrupts, but power - those with guns bond with those with money, and it has always been that way. Therefore it's power that needs to go.
You might be interested to know that it's the state that created corporations in the first place. A corporation is a legal entity whose managers aren't fully legally liable for their actions, and there's no way they could exist and create such damage as they do now if there were a stateless society.
@whatdoyouwantandwhy That's true, and I'm in no way absolving the corporations from any responsibility. It's an interconnected system with a revolving door, where the guys with guns and the guys with money are hard to distinguish. (However, the source of money is also the state)
But even still, I'm not sure "greed" is the correct scapegoat - if greed/self-interest were allowed to run in the correct framework (a decentralized system where the people are vigilant), the situation might be better.
@ConscientiousMind While your intent is indeed noble, it is absolutely impossible... I say this because greed by very definition would only push for a system that provides for greater output. This being said, in a system such as this vigilance would only slow down production and output. This is why we see time and time again that once the heads of society become flooded with greed, they push for policy that benefits them in the short run ignoring the long term aspects.
@Umishiru I used to be a social democrat/liberal/progressive and I've always believed that big corporations can't be allowed to run over ordinary people, but the more I've looked into the actual history of the USA, I've become convinced that the Government has always been in cahoots with those corporations. Therefore I don't think we can rely on more legislation to protect people - real change needs to come as peacefully as possible from the bottom up.
@ConscientiousMind While it was true that during reconstruction, the government to major measures to regulate social behavior, I would not equate these actions with economic policies (aside for you know slavery which was a major economic factor).
I would also argue that after that era ended, most of those policies were torn down in the south. During the Gilded Age, the major economic aspect the government took was geared toward open door policies to open markets overseas for American trade...
To be precise, the big oil subsidies aren't really subsidies but tax credits (something liberals ought to be aware of when engaging in debates about them). The result, of course, is the same for anyone who believes in fair competition, since it means more taxes for competitors and a privileged position for the established corporations. But it allows for Republicans to frame the issue as "tax hikes" and hoodwink ignorant teabaggers who think these taxes are going to hurt their guns and grandma.
@underbjorn How ironic. This is the kind of thing the founders of the US were trying to escape from when they declared independence from the British Empire. Now, the USA is itself repressing its populace.
Were democrats being asked in the poll if they thought the Tea Party should break off into a third party? if so I question the intelligence of Democrats if only 33% realised how beneficial it would be for them to split the Republican party in two.
Cenk, one day you have to get the Republicans and conservatives on their unwillingness to decrease defense spending yet they want to keep the unnecessary tax cuts that are not creating jobs in the US. They are willing to send more people across the globe to fight wars that are not defense related but already they have mentioned cutting veterans disability payments. If they made the military smaller, that would reduce the number of military related liabilities.
tax cuts/subsidies are just as much of an entitlement as any other program in congress and are nothing more than back-end spending. obama gets it and his proposed budget reflects that. the republicans need to quit crying about trying to help those who create jobs if taxes are raised. it's true, they do create jobs. just not here in america because outsourcing usually helps the bottom line far more and gets them a nice handsome performance bonus.
Seriously, just raise the taxes to the top 3% (or whatever) of the rich. They can pay for it because they can afford it. Surely if you can buy a $90,000 car or say a $100,000 yacht, you can pay your fair share of taxes. Anyone who makes that much money believing they don't need to pay taxes to contribute for America need their asses deported.
interesting how he talks about oridnary americans.. he doesnt even pretend he or the people of the economic club of new york are ordinary people.. We got to slam the Gop for showing off this kind of elitism.
All this bitching and moaning, republican this, democrat that....bottom line is YOU get what YOU vote for. Vote in greedy, pro-corporate scum, and you get the results you see today.
That's pretty much the point. People who vote for the right wing are the ones who either don't care what happens, or mislead, or pretty much want the rich to stay rich.
Tax cuts, especially for the rich, haven't done shit for our economy. Why people still buy into "tax cuts = economic boost and job growth" is beyond me.
The Tea Party is really corrupt. The fact that it's backed by corporate interests and goes out of its way to hide this raises some serious questions about what its real agenda is.
I would like some perspective on this. Saying that the republicans received 58 million dollars doesn't tell me that much if I don't have anything to compare with.
MSNBC is fueling what happened in 1917 Russia - Bolshevik RED (socialist and lower class) VS anti-Bolshevik White (ruling class and rich). MSNBC working with the Dems are promoting Class warfare and hoping for a revolt.
As the US goes into economy collapse and MSNBC continues to encourage riots with their propaganda , 2011 and 2012 will be interesting years. America the free ride is over -
Great talking points and name dropping rhetoric. You can include George Soros in your conspiracies also but it doesn't matter who is to blame. The game is up.
MSNBC is fueling class warfare, riots for benefits, and collapse of American laws. You can see it with the communist and socialist working with US unions for benefit rights, with illegal immigrates need rights, and now the rights of lower class and old people.
@iamavet without those rights, the ultrawealthy will simply plough you under. They are stripping away your rights, and have been since the early 1980s. They are only trying to keep what rights you had before George W Bush came to power. This is not the Soviet Union you are talking about, this is a level of benefits and workers rights that those in Western Europe or Canada or Australia would find laughable.
My complaint is not a discussion on what rights are fair, it is MSNBC's Lenin class warfare propaganda and what their agenda to incite riots and mod rule.
Do you really believe Dems/Progressives are the only ruling elites that care about lower and middle class like MSNBC is trying to program into everyone?
@iamavet Tell me something: The rights of working people have been stripped for the last 30 years in America. FOX have been aiding this. What the far right, and the Neocons are doing is warfare, and they have been up to it for decades, so I ask you, if YOU are being attacked, isn't it fair that you can fight back?
Well if there is actual proof of your claims and not demonizing rhetoric, than layout the documents. To make fun, degrade and only present 1/2 truths is not fighting back, It only comes across as propaganda and mean spirited 'get evenness'.
While MSNBC talking head present the claim, they then go into silly name calling and degrading. It is becoming annoying.
Can you see that MSNBC is saying the Dems are the only one who cares about the lower class,unions, immigrants and the Reps only care about the rich? Do you believe that?
If so, MSNBC's propaganda is working and 1917 Russia type riots are coming.
@iamavet MSNBC is not saying that the Reps don't care about the poor. They are saying that their policies are crazy and the consequence is that the poor will be worse off with Reps in power. It's an ideological issue. A liberal like to support their case with evidence, while a conservative will support their case with faith. Funny how you can pick on MSNBC when Fox is 100x worse when it comes to propaganda and filtering out important information.
@LJonathan since msnbc won't say it, i will-the republican leadership at least, don't give a rat fuck about the poor-xtianity tells them that the poor are poor because they're lazy, stupid and unworthy. not that any of that is true, of course, but it is what underlies republican economic policies. let's not be touchy about. of course, not EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN, but enough as makes little difference.
The so called 'subsidies' to oil companies - these exactly the same tax DEDUCTIONS that ANY other company gets.
Exxon makes 2 cents per gallon of gas in USA, then it also gets taxed on those 2 cents, and personal taxes also apply. US federal gov't makes near 50 cents just on the gallon itself in taxes, then it taxes corporate and personal earnings.
Most of the Exxon's profits are outside of USA, most of its business is outside of USA. They deduct the money they make OUTSIDE of USA.
@romanmir01 The subsidies are, for example, drilling wells, and were instituted back in the early 20th century when drilling wells was pretty random, and you could not be assured of striking a well. Nowadays that is not a problem with modern geology. And they deduct so much money from the taxes they pay that they are getting refunded.
1) oil depletion allowance, [which is only available to smaller, independent companies, not "big oil"]
2) expensing indirect drilling costs, [which is an accelerated expensing schedule. It changes the timing of expense writeoffs, not the amount.] and
3) a tax credit for taxes paid to foreign nations during foreign operations (foreign tax credit) -which every multinational company gets, not just oil companies.
@romanmir01 This is an impressive argument, but it pales before the fact that the oil industry is making more money now than any industry has in the history of the world, and the biggest companies, like Exxon, are paying little or no taxes, they get the oil out of the USA for free. The public gets paid nothing for it. Then they get subsidies and sell the oil on the International market, so much of it goes to other countries. And let's not forget they corrupt our politicians with huge payoffs.
"oil industry is making more money now than any industry has in the history..." - from this it follows that they must be robbed of their income for some reason? Just because somebody is making more money, doesn't create a natural right for you to have that money. They EARNED it
"biggest companies, like Exxon, are paying little or no taxes" - in USA they are making only 2 cents/gallon. Gov't makes 50cents/gallon. They are paying taxes on those 2 cents (corporate/ personal)
@Jack194343 When you say: "public gets paid nothing for it" -
1. Is gov't public? If so, then are you implying that 50 cents/gallon is nothing?
2. You are free to start your own oil company, no? Well, you could if there was no huge gov't scam going, protecting the oil and other industries from competition.
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Don't get me wrong, I am completely against all subsidies to all business and to all individuals. But don't call tax deductions subsidies and also stop taxing income.
@Jack194343 The only argument that I will agree to is this: no company must ever get any money from gov't, this includes any subsidies, any tax breaks, any stimulus, any bail out.
The only caveat is there must be no income taxes on either business or personal level. All gov't spending must be proportional to other spending that people do, and as their spending goes down, so must gov't spending, so income taxes must go away.
Now, where I am, income taxes are going away by vote of the public.
@romanmir01 This is how a LOT of the current crop of billionaires got rich. Because they organised a bunch of bad mortgages to bolster the short term profits at the cost of homeowners and the long term viability of the banks themselves.
@dangerouslytalented Sure, plenty of banks got much richer due to the mortgage scam. The only reason they were able to run that scam was gov't money and gov't insurance - protection.
You may want to understand that a bit more, here is a 2006 video with full explanation of the (then) incoming 2008 collapse watch?v=jj8rMwdQf6k
@romanmir01 Actually, those banks were being ripped off by their managers. Had they folded, the managers would have kept the money anyway, because they had already collected their pay. They were in it for themselves, not the good of the banks or anybody else.
wow that was the best news in the history of news when cenk was on msnbc, exposing the inner working of the corrupt mechanism... no wonder it didnt last long :|
prazi86 1 month ago
"The fact is you can't tax the very people you expect to invest in our economy and create jobs" That is exactly why we have tax deductions. Companies that invest and create jobs enjoy tax deductions so that they don't have to pay taxes, John Boehner is not worrying about jobs, he is worried about corporate income statements.
Zyworski 5 months ago
@Zyworski Right...which is why when Clinton raised taxes to the exact rates we are talking about today, we only had one of the longest economic expansions in U.S. history. And people must have held back on investing because we only inflated the tech bubble and experienced rapid demand pull inflation. Bush cut taxes and these for the wealthy by 4.6 to its current rate and we experienced the slowest decade of growth since WW2. Kind of blows a whole in your retarded trickle down economics bullshit
durhamdf 5 months ago
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@Zyworski Right...which is why when Clinton raised taxes to the exact rates we are talking about today, we only had one of the longest economic expansions in U.S. history. And people must have held back on investing because we only inflated the tech bubble and experienced rapid demand pull inflation. Bush cut taxes and these for the wealthy by 4.6 to its current rate and we experienced the slowest decade of growth since WW2. Kind of blows a whole in your retarded trickle down economics bullshit
durhamdf 5 months ago
Cenk Uygur not only exposes the Tea Parties for who they are, but also President Obama as well. So far they are the Tea Parties who support the businesses to include corporations, especially rich people who have others speak for them since they fear being exposed for who they really are. I may stop having dialogues with them since they reply answers that deviate from direct questions with idiotic comments and baseless accusations.
lamourlupus 6 months ago
Why is John Boner speaker of the house?
oodlesofosz 7 months ago
REPUBLICON PLAN IS SIMPLE ! DESTROY ECONOMY ! THEN BLAME OBAMA 2012 !!
kn9ioutom 8 months ago
I find it hilarious that there was a conservative senate ad before this.
yocharles235 8 months ago
"We rob banks because that's where the money is." - bank robbers
"We rob rich people because that's where the money is." - Democrats
ghuegel 9 months ago
@ghuegel If you Laisez Faire retards were in charge we would have 10 year olds working in sweat shops. Liberals have ALWAYS been the champions of the poor. You conservatards have always been the champions of oligarchy and grinding the poor beneath the wheels of industry. I find it extremely amusing listening to you retards pretend to be the ones with the middle class interests in mind! hahhahahaha
durhamdf 5 months ago
@durhamdf You have almost everything wrong.
ghuegel 5 months ago
@ghuegel and yet you can't dispute anything I have said directly...interesting :) Typical tea bagging retard with no sense of history. I wonder why labor unions have always supported the democrats... God you are fucking retarded. The GOP keeps the tax burden on the poor, example: Bush tax cuts. They cut taxes only on personal income where the rich pay the majority of their taxes but keep payroll taxes the same (where the poor pay most of their taxes) Get a clue retard!
durhamdf 5 months ago
@durhamdf You have a very active imagination. Instead of using it to burn strawmen, you could use it for less misanthropic purposes.
ghuegel 5 months ago
@ghuegel lol thank you for proving my point. great nonresponse. If you are going to make retarded assertions that are contrary to the popular belief, you better have some damn good evidence in support. Unfortunately all you have is the typical tea bagger overgeneralizations and one liner talking points that you sheep all regurgitate without any clue as to what they mean! So... Please shut the fuck up untill you can support your moronic claims with examples
durhamdf 5 months ago
@durhamdf How have you ascertained that I am: in support of laissez-faire, a retard, conservative, a champion of oligarchy, a tea bagger, have no sense of history, a republican, etc.?
I have asserted no political ideology. You have invented all the claims I supposedly made.
ghuegel 5 months ago
@ghuegel I would say it is a pretty easy leap to make from this retarded statement: ""We rob banks because that's where the money is." - bank robbers "We rob rich people because that's where the money is." - Democrats" My guess is you are another tax protesting moron. But maybe not, I guess you are right it is possible you are not interested in politics at all and instead are a 14 year old little punk trolling the internet posting moronic comments that you probably don't even understand...
durhamdf 5 months ago
@durhamdf Did you watch the video? Watch at ~9:20. There you have a member of the House of Representatives (a democrat) making the democrat/bank robber analogy... I was just paraphrasing. So all the paranoid ravings you've made at me should instead be directed at her.
As for your last flight of fancy... a dead give-away that you're dealing with such a person is their incessant use of the word "retard".
ghuegel 5 months ago
@ghuegel that isn't at all what she said, and the way you twist other peoples comments out of context just goes further to prove what a RETARD you tea baggers are. So you are really trying to convince me that you are a democrat who thinks that the rich are overburdened by the greedy democrats who want to steal their money?! hahahah, jesus kid there are a lot of retards on Youtube but you sure take the retard cake!
durhamdf 5 months ago
@durhamdf Weird. I never claimed to be a Democrat. Or a tea-bagger. I think you're confused.
You should watch the video again. She made an analogy and I made the same analogy. My comment had zero context... again with your imagination.
And don't expect anyone to take you seriously when you can't help but use the word "retard" over and over and over and over and... etc. Best I can guess is that you're projecting your own insecurities here. But that's just a guess.
ghuegel 5 months ago
@ghuegel Yeah little troll boy, you like to play this game of making ridiculous comment taking quotes completely out of context to attack the dems while keeping your own political identity ambiguous. THen no one can tie you down to an ideology and whenever someone corrects your moronic comments you just distance youself from them by claiming it doesn't represent your own view but rather is just a quote you are repeating. $50 says you are another tea bagging retarded ...just afraid to admit it
durhamdf 5 months ago
@durhamdf So you're sending me $50? How'd you get my address?
ghuegel 4 months ago
@durhamdf I agree with you,I am starting to hate the tea party,I am a nurse and pay more tax's than the very
rich.I live in Texas and detest Rick Perry,he is a hypocrite and you can not believe a word he said.
freba91 5 months ago
The Republicans & the Tea party r both showing their true motives and the majority of the US is not going to buy their bs much longer. Supporting the rich at the expense of everyone else is just insane. We need to remember that the rich only make up approx 1% of the population. Screw the rich.
lovecraftis 9 months ago
They are not even close to having a balanced budget in place. Every single congressman and Senator voteing to raise the debit ceiling should be voted out of office next term. 200billion a month - 40 billion to intrest payments leaves 180 billion every month in taxes to run the country. Just cut all unconstituttional depts like the TSA and bring our young people home from these bogus wars would do it.
19linko 9 months ago
Why doesn't Cenk show how much Obama got from Wall Street ?
Goldman Sachs $994,795, Citigroup Inc $701,290, JPMorgan Chase & Co $695,132, UBS AG $543,219, Morgan Stanley $514,881.
iwillspyonyou 9 months ago
@iwillspyonyou He does, all the time.
thesparitan 9 months ago
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@wtfjaftw "Uhhhh welfare? were have you've been for centuries?"
When the gun was used to do that?
allgoo19 9 months ago
@wtfjaftw "it's even greedier to have a force with guns to force you to give it somebody that didn't earn it."
When that happened?
allgoo19 9 months ago
5:23 is why progressives will never get the votes they should get. Cenk throws a softball, and instead of explaining the content of the progressive budget and the projections from it, she sticks to her talking points.
You won't win over right-wingers by repeating what you say day in day out to your base on the left, to win over the right-wingers, you need to speak their language. You have to drop the talk about the poor, and talk about balancing the budget, and fixing the economy. Fucks sakes.
MyTemporaryAccount88 9 months ago
@wtfjaftw Capitalism, bigger piece of the pie the harder you work. I need to ask, who is taking that bigger piece? You who worked for it or the entrepreneur who snatches it from your plate? Also, first you say people need to work for it, then you say some are born with a big pie? Sounds like elitism. Have you ever read Charles Dickens' works? Oliver Twist? That's unregulated capitalism for you, just as bad as unregulated socialism.
lcyw20 9 months ago
The sad thing here is that even if we started to get our fiscal house in order, eventually the public would lose interest and a Repub would capture the White House and run up the debt and we' d have to go down this road all over again.
dsgregg 9 months ago
@dsgregg It is your education system. the US population has been dumbed down considerably.
lcyw20 9 months ago
how bout neither
Mr1700 9 months ago
@wtfjaftw
I can guarantee you that Sweden is not enslaving it's poor(if you can call them poor) to benefit the rich, but I may be able to say about America which does exactly that with it's poor and middle class...
Sweden being a socialist country, also having the highest income per capita then most of the world, I old say you really need to educate yourself...
whatdoyouwantandwhy 9 months ago
@whatdoyouwantandwhy I think you are right. We hardly ever hear news from Sweden, partly because nothing like what is happening in the US is happening in Sweden. Their system works with the fewest number of bugs.
lcyw20 9 months ago
@lcyw20 "We hardly ever hear news from Sweden."
That is, unless Swedish company comes to US.
Google, "IKEA: Union-busting is “how American system works”
Model company in Sweden turns into a sweat shop once comes to Virginia, US.
It's not the company policy that makes the company well behaved but the regulations.
Quote by IKEA manager: "There are rules and regulations and we follow the rules and regulations that are in place,"
allgoo19 9 months ago
@wtfjaftw In all systems you live off labor...
In a capitalism there is a system of supply and demand, from which the markets follow in simplistic terms. Thus without other people to live off of, we can not have capitalism... I also think you need to learn the different social-economic systems before you go into broad generalizations that are not true as well.
whatdoyouwantandwhy 9 months ago
if we cut the military in half, we would still spend more on our military than any other country on earth.
lestliness 9 months ago
Corporate welfare is ok ..Financial aid to poor bad. Cmon man our priorities are backwards. neocons postured about jobs and then executed the old fumble-rooski the old bait and switch. I cant wait for elections 2012!!!! the voters will remember the House producing more legislation on abortion then jobs!
ERICRIPPER1 9 months ago
Is surrenderist a real word?
Monolith21000 9 months ago
How the fuck is Cenk a fiscal conservative?
EGarrett01 9 months ago
remember remember the 5th of november.
l3oss2u 9 months ago
@l3oss2u What about Nov 5th?
splicedenergy 9 months ago
This Jan Jakowski or whatever her name is, is a known communist. Sieg Heil commrad.
calimar28 9 months ago
@calimar28 Umm seig heil is not a communist rally cry.
steelersguy74 9 months ago 2
@calimar28
"Sieg heil" is a Nazi rally cry, not a communist rally cry. Read a book. =/
hitheresunshine 9 months ago
Tea Party will throw boener out. We will also throw out disloyal republicans AND of course democrats since they are all about big goverment and taxing people to hell. Big goverment sucks. How can you liberals support big goverment? They take away our freedoms, they suck.
calimar28 9 months ago
@calimar28 interestingly enough, the conservatives were remarkably mum when Bush pursued statist 'big government' policies. what the fuck were you doing when the patriot act was passed? Name one freedom that the liberals have denied you.
pipebillys 9 months ago
I don't get how the speaker of the house can talk about Government spending and big government being bad... acting like he's not part of government. He's the speaker of the fucking house, HE IS THE GOVERNMENT THAT HE COMPLAINS ABOUT.
XGP15A3 9 months ago 17
@XGP15A3 yes, and good government understands it is ignorant and best out of the way
bigpoppabball 8 months ago
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Those who insist on military might are neo-cons.
Those who think neutrality in foreign affairs is ill-advised are neo-cons.
Many news media outlets have a neo-con agenda.
Are you a neo-con?
Ron Paul says neo-cons are NOT CONSERVATIVES!
Definition and names of neo-cons: /watch?v=nuefjIYKkjE
More on the history of neo-conservatism vs libertarianism /watch?v=45JSYIuTk0Y
vechorik 4 months ago
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Those who insist on military might are neo-cons.
Those who think neutrality in foreign affairs is ill-advised are neo-cons.
Many news media outlets have a neo-con agenda.
Are you a neo-con?
Ron Paul says neo-cons are NOT CONSERVATIVES!
Definition and names of neo-cons: /watch?v=nuefjIYKkjE
More on the history of neo-conservatism vs libertarianism /watch?v=45JSYIuTk0Y
vechorik 4 months ago
The GOP isn't "torn" between the teabaggers and Wall Street. They use the teabaggers to get them to vote for them so they can get money from Wall Street.
TheIntolerantAtheist 9 months ago 2
dude wtf is that accent from on the second guy who speaks with cenk?
hossboss96 9 months ago
Why did that guy with the hat sound Canadian?
omga14 9 months ago
@wtfjaftw Well that is how all systems work... In capitalism we live off other people, the only difference is some people get bigger pies then others.
But in reality all economic systems feed off everyone else...
whatdoyouwantandwhy 9 months ago
@wtfjaftw That's not what a corporation is - it's a legal fiction where managers are absolved from complete liability and the shareholders don't really risk much - a situation made possible only by government intervention. When a corporation like BP messes up, who do you think picks up the tab? Hint: it's not Tony Hayward.
ConscientiousMind 9 months ago
Good video but poor audio quality
micahgee 9 months ago
The democrats need to go left. The republican need to stay where they are. The third party can be a centralist. There, problem solved
isaacBrockofthe41 9 months ago
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" The democrats need to go left. The republican need to stay where they are. The third party can be a centralist. There, problem solved"
If the democrats went any further left we'd be Canada. I like the USA more than Canada and I don't like big government programs that require my tax dollars. Stay the fuck where you are and out of my wallet.
pennjersey83 9 months ago
Good job Cenk
TurkiyeCumhurbaskani 9 months ago
Lets see, the corporate government stole all the money from baby boomer entitlement withholdings, and now they want to discount what they have to pay them because there aren't enough Young Turks to keep the ponzi scheme going...got it...we have an 80 trillion entitlement hole so when I hear "spreading" as a method to deal with this problem, even at the 14 trillion due in hard cash today, I just see old people trying to get theirs before the clock runs out...
imataxslave 9 months ago
WTF is that dude dressed like he just came home from the Civil War?
dagrimmreepa 9 months ago
The Tea Party is all about Wall Street. Tea Partiers suck off Wall St as much as anyone.
dEdGrimley 9 months ago
Cenk Uyger is a propaganda whore.
pennjersey83 9 months ago
@pennjersey83 you obviously misspelled foxnews with cenk uygur. cenk isnt pro propaganda he is telling the truth.
lmaxp3 9 months ago
@lmaxp3
"you obviously misspelled foxnews with cenk uygur. cenk isnt pro propaganda he is telling the truth"
You are a brainwashed progressive idiot if you think Cenk Uyger tells the truth. The only truth he tells is based on your ideals. Cenk speaks on behalf of socialists, lesbians, and muslims. Fox news speaks on behalf of capitalists, middle-class, traditional, Christian Americans. I am independent and see through the bullshit of both sides. You are a brainwashed progressive fool.
pennjersey83 9 months ago
@pennjersey83 so what about non christian americans? the poor class? im pretty sure your statement just proved a point on who is really brainwashed. Cenk is atheist by the way so i don't see how muslims come into the argument. And what did lesbians do so wrong--are they adding to the deficit? Who are these socialists? You are just spitting rhetoric that FoxNews tells its viewers to say, they sound all nice and patriotic but its just bigotry and ignorance.
lmaxp3 9 months ago
@lmaxp3 pennjersey makes a good point. The spin from both sides is unbelievable.
TheIndependentView2 9 months ago
@TheIndependentView2 everyone has there agenda, but calling cenk a propaganda whore i disagree with. we all have opinions but cenk at least tries to support his opinions with fact and not racism, patriotism, and ignorance to sway his viewers. So how does pennjersey make a good point with her opinion of calling cenk that? that is how the conversation came about...
lmaxp3 9 months ago
@lmaxp3 oh fuck, don't respond to pennjersey he/she is one of the biggest trolls on here.
Andy180084 9 months ago
@pennjersey83 Propaganda is the spreading of ideas... Cenk spreads ideas that actually make sense, so sure you are correct.
However, I think you meant propaganda in a bad way, which leads me to Fox news, who lies like an abusive husband to his wife he just smacked....
whatdoyouwantandwhy 9 months ago
@whatdoyouwantandwhy
Regardless, Cenk Uyger and other pundits on MSNBC will never get as high as ratings as Fox because the majority of Americans, who are white and Christian, find MSNBC to be disgusting. Most Americans, including myself, are pro-traditional values and we don't support the liberal tendency to "express themselves" flamboyantly. Go have your gay pride parade on another street.
pennjersey83 9 months ago
@pennjersey83 You make me sick. You're traditional values become a hinderence to society when the rights of others are being infinged upon.
SDub817 9 months ago
@pennjersey83 let's be honesty, white christians find anything that isn't white and christian 'disgusting'. i for one, don't care about that, but i do care that white christians are so adamant about denying their racism, sexism, jingoism, theism, lack of education, white privilige, all the while claiming they have 'black friends'-maybe you people should just own up to that?
iconografer 9 months ago
massive oil subsidies?? figure is just under 4 billion
Cenk is just a rotten smear merchant is all
genie0390 9 months ago
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Umishiru 9 months ago
@genie0390 For a company it's massive. They have everything to gain by buying politicians to defend their huge breaks.
LJonathan 9 months ago
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Umishiru 9 months ago
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Umishiru 9 months ago
@Umishiru I would agree that the industrial revolution was a terrible time to be a worker, but I wouldn't call it laissez faire - in fact, it was right after the Civil War when the Republicans enacted some of the biggest corporate welfare measures in the US history. I can't post the link here, but there was a great article on The Freeman by Sheldon Richman titled "No Laissez Faire There". It's a left-libertarian perspective on the Gilded Age - I suggest you google it even if you disagree.
ConscientiousMind 9 months ago
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Umishiru 9 months ago
@Umishiru I agree with your sentiment but disagree with your analysis. Corporate welfare is when the government gives privileges, favors or just straight out money to capitalists of their liking, and surprisingly enough a lot of Progressive Era legislation did just that. Labor, anti-trust and regulatory legislation of that time was written by lobbyists and consumer protection was only superficial. FDR actually gave some businesses unapologetically monopolies! (Read "Triumph of Conservatism")
ConscientiousMind 9 months ago
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Umishiru 9 months ago
@Umishiru I don't think it's corporate greed that corrupts, but power - those with guns bond with those with money, and it has always been that way. Therefore it's power that needs to go.
You might be interested to know that it's the state that created corporations in the first place. A corporation is a legal entity whose managers aren't fully legally liable for their actions, and there's no way they could exist and create such damage as they do now if there were a stateless society.
ConscientiousMind 9 months ago
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Umishiru 9 months ago
@ConscientiousMind Actually you are correct, but in this world the power comes from money, thus we associate corporate greed with power...
whatdoyouwantandwhy 9 months ago
@whatdoyouwantandwhy That's true, and I'm in no way absolving the corporations from any responsibility. It's an interconnected system with a revolving door, where the guys with guns and the guys with money are hard to distinguish. (However, the source of money is also the state)
But even still, I'm not sure "greed" is the correct scapegoat - if greed/self-interest were allowed to run in the correct framework (a decentralized system where the people are vigilant), the situation might be better.
ConscientiousMind 9 months ago
@ConscientiousMind While your intent is indeed noble, it is absolutely impossible... I say this because greed by very definition would only push for a system that provides for greater output. This being said, in a system such as this vigilance would only slow down production and output. This is why we see time and time again that once the heads of society become flooded with greed, they push for policy that benefits them in the short run ignoring the long term aspects.
whatdoyouwantandwhy 9 months ago
@Umishiru I used to be a social democrat/liberal/progressive and I've always believed that big corporations can't be allowed to run over ordinary people, but the more I've looked into the actual history of the USA, I've become convinced that the Government has always been in cahoots with those corporations. Therefore I don't think we can rely on more legislation to protect people - real change needs to come as peacefully as possible from the bottom up.
ConscientiousMind 9 months ago
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Umishiru 9 months ago
@ConscientiousMind While it was true that during reconstruction, the government to major measures to regulate social behavior, I would not equate these actions with economic policies (aside for you know slavery which was a major economic factor).
I would also argue that after that era ended, most of those policies were torn down in the south. During the Gilded Age, the major economic aspect the government took was geared toward open door policies to open markets overseas for American trade...
whatdoyouwantandwhy 9 months ago
To be precise, the big oil subsidies aren't really subsidies but tax credits (something liberals ought to be aware of when engaging in debates about them). The result, of course, is the same for anyone who believes in fair competition, since it means more taxes for competitors and a privileged position for the established corporations. But it allows for Republicans to frame the issue as "tax hikes" and hoodwink ignorant teabaggers who think these taxes are going to hurt their guns and grandma.
ConscientiousMind 9 months ago 2
The term "entitlement" sucks. Why not say--middle class/poor economic assistance programs.
milkmanmonroe 9 months ago
the argument of the rich is essentially that aren't going to pay the taxes if they are raised or not...regardless
bobboblaw123 9 months ago
Cut constructive government: Education, health care, aid to poor, handicapped, elderly.
Fund destructive government: War, pollutive energy business, assasinations, corruption, police state.
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That is what America is about I guess.
underbjorn 9 months ago 56
@underbjorn How ironic. This is the kind of thing the founders of the US were trying to escape from when they declared independence from the British Empire. Now, the USA is itself repressing its populace.
lcyw20 9 months ago
The guy in the outfit's missing the parrot and eye patch combo.
BigMrFirebird 9 months ago
wholly bajezzsus, the end commercial is loud!!
TerribleTimes 9 months ago
2:15 HALLELUJA !
Cenk's FEELIN' IT! He's getting in his element haha
SinisterSkip 9 months ago
Were democrats being asked in the poll if they thought the Tea Party should break off into a third party? if so I question the intelligence of Democrats if only 33% realised how beneficial it would be for them to split the Republican party in two.
gary83uk 9 months ago
LOOK AT THIS IDIOT LADY AT 9:37
she probably votes based on a candidates face
sdafsar 9 months ago
That chart on 4:21 could be showing their dissatisfaction with the left's control of the executive branch not their dissatisfaction with their own
sdafsar 9 months ago
Cenk, one day you have to get the Republicans and conservatives on their unwillingness to decrease defense spending yet they want to keep the unnecessary tax cuts that are not creating jobs in the US. They are willing to send more people across the globe to fight wars that are not defense related but already they have mentioned cutting veterans disability payments. If they made the military smaller, that would reduce the number of military related liabilities.
olzt100 9 months ago
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Republicans have no answers.
thesageofohio 9 months ago
Great outfit on that Tea Party guy, lol.
MassLiberal1 9 months ago
I love how Cenk wont tell the is woman that the government spends way too much
trexx32 9 months ago
@trexx32 - He did, in government subsidies that is...
TheHammerOfJustice1 9 months ago
You know.. I agree with Harry Potter.
elviolette 9 months ago
tax cuts/subsidies are just as much of an entitlement as any other program in congress and are nothing more than back-end spending. obama gets it and his proposed budget reflects that. the republicans need to quit crying about trying to help those who create jobs if taxes are raised. it's true, they do create jobs. just not here in america because outsourcing usually helps the bottom line far more and gets them a nice handsome performance bonus.
snoopyloopy 9 months ago
We can't tax people who create jobs *cough cough in China cough*.
spazfox 9 months ago
3rd Party? Yes, It's Time!
Vote 3rd Party 2012!!
MojoGuitarPlayer 9 months ago 2
I love Rep Boehner talking about Washington arrogance. That's life in the bubble for ya!
But, as Rep Scahnkowsky noted, Wall Street rules. What they say, goes.
audadvnc 9 months ago
"This country's finished."
-George Carlin
SourcesAreEverything 9 months ago
Seriously, just raise the taxes to the top 3% (or whatever) of the rich. They can pay for it because they can afford it. Surely if you can buy a $90,000 car or say a $100,000 yacht, you can pay your fair share of taxes. Anyone who makes that much money believing they don't need to pay taxes to contribute for America need their asses deported.
Mika20 9 months ago
just tax every dollar after 1 billion by 90%. If you cannot live on 1 billion dollars IN ONE YEAR you way worse of a wellfare queen than anyone.
spinnersmetal 9 months ago
Republicans only care about rich people.
ericzum 9 months ago
@ericzum rich people got them elected.
cpufightclub 9 months ago
The Tea Party is a group of mislead people fighting to make their wages lower and billionaires richer.
spinnersmetal 9 months ago
@spinnersmetal
From the looks of the outfit that guy was wearing.......Lord help us all... *facepalm*
Mika20 9 months ago
interesting how he talks about oridnary americans.. he doesnt even pretend he or the people of the economic club of new york are ordinary people.. We got to slam the Gop for showing off this kind of elitism.
SnoeLaCone 9 months ago
cant you read any faster !?
007feedback 9 months ago
All this bitching and moaning, republican this, democrat that....bottom line is YOU get what YOU vote for. Vote in greedy, pro-corporate scum, and you get the results you see today.
Jay20782 9 months ago 2
@Jay20782
That's pretty much the point. People who vote for the right wing are the ones who either don't care what happens, or mislead, or pretty much want the rich to stay rich.
Mika20 9 months ago
Tax cuts, especially for the rich, haven't done shit for our economy. Why people still buy into "tax cuts = economic boost and job growth" is beyond me.
samuelantonio 9 months ago
@samuelantonio Because Reagan started this trickle-down bullshit and as you know Reagan was a political God and a genius ahead of his time.
Of course the results of his bullshit contradict all of that but Republicans tend to be more about perceived ideology as opposed to FACTS.
Jay20782 9 months ago
I do think rebellion is too strong of a word. I stay up on world events.
A dude in a tricorn hat carrying a misspelled sign does not equal rebellion.
Neanderthalcouzin 9 months ago 56
@Neanderthalcouzin lol so you suppose violence or what?
bakedpootetoo 9 months ago
The Tea Party is really corrupt. The fact that it's backed by corporate interests and goes out of its way to hide this raises some serious questions about what its real agenda is.
lovecraftis 9 months ago
he has an interesting accent (not Cenk but the guy). I can't place it
Deedovich 9 months ago
@Deedovich He's english (i.e. from england). It's the sound of an english accent from someone who's been talking to too many americans.
coolman9999uk 9 months ago
I would like some perspective on this. Saying that the republicans received 58 million dollars doesn't tell me that much if I don't have anything to compare with.
LJonathan 9 months ago
Dude in the funny historical outfit needs to take some meds.
edgeninja 9 months ago
MSNBC is fueling what happened in 1917 Russia - Bolshevik RED (socialist and lower class) VS anti-Bolshevik White (ruling class and rich). MSNBC working with the Dems are promoting Class warfare and hoping for a revolt.
As the US goes into economy collapse and MSNBC continues to encourage riots with their propaganda , 2011 and 2012 will be interesting years. America the free ride is over -
iamavet 9 months ago
@iamavet The class warfare was fueled by the Koch brothers and Reagan back in the 80s, with supply side economics.
dangerouslytalented 9 months ago
@dangerouslytalented
Great talking points and name dropping rhetoric. You can include George Soros in your conspiracies also but it doesn't matter who is to blame. The game is up.
MSNBC is fueling class warfare, riots for benefits, and collapse of American laws. You can see it with the communist and socialist working with US unions for benefit rights, with illegal immigrates need rights, and now the rights of lower class and old people.
When it starts America will be like 1917 Russia.
iamavet 9 months ago
@iamavet without those rights, the ultrawealthy will simply plough you under. They are stripping away your rights, and have been since the early 1980s. They are only trying to keep what rights you had before George W Bush came to power. This is not the Soviet Union you are talking about, this is a level of benefits and workers rights that those in Western Europe or Canada or Australia would find laughable.
dangerouslytalented 9 months ago
@dangerouslytalented
My complaint is not a discussion on what rights are fair, it is MSNBC's Lenin class warfare propaganda and what their agenda to incite riots and mod rule.
Do you really believe Dems/Progressives are the only ruling elites that care about lower and middle class like MSNBC is trying to program into everyone?
BTW, not a Rep and care less about Bush.
iamavet 9 months ago
@iamavet Tell me something: The rights of working people have been stripped for the last 30 years in America. FOX have been aiding this. What the far right, and the Neocons are doing is warfare, and they have been up to it for decades, so I ask you, if YOU are being attacked, isn't it fair that you can fight back?
dangerouslytalented 9 months ago
@dangerouslytalented
Well if there is actual proof of your claims and not demonizing rhetoric, than layout the documents. To make fun, degrade and only present 1/2 truths is not fighting back, It only comes across as propaganda and mean spirited 'get evenness'.
While MSNBC talking head present the claim, they then go into silly name calling and degrading. It is becoming annoying.
iamavet 9 months ago
@iamavet or they are pointing out the class warfare that is already going on - against the poor.
LJonathan 9 months ago
@LJonathan
Can you see that MSNBC is saying the Dems are the only one who cares about the lower class,unions, immigrants and the Reps only care about the rich? Do you believe that?
If so, MSNBC's propaganda is working and 1917 Russia type riots are coming.
iamavet 9 months ago
@iamavet MSNBC is not saying that the Reps don't care about the poor. They are saying that their policies are crazy and the consequence is that the poor will be worse off with Reps in power. It's an ideological issue. A liberal like to support their case with evidence, while a conservative will support their case with faith. Funny how you can pick on MSNBC when Fox is 100x worse when it comes to propaganda and filtering out important information.
LJonathan 9 months ago
@LJonathan since msnbc won't say it, i will-the republican leadership at least, don't give a rat fuck about the poor-xtianity tells them that the poor are poor because they're lazy, stupid and unworthy. not that any of that is true, of course, but it is what underlies republican economic policies. let's not be touchy about. of course, not EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN, but enough as makes little difference.
iconografer 9 months ago
Why do Republican politicians talk about "Washington" as if they don't work there? As if "they" are not part of the problem?
brownhornet22 9 months ago
*whistles* Geeh the Tea Party is becoming a problem for the GOP who would have guessed.
masticina 9 months ago
I think private corporations should be banned from making campaign contributions, lets see what happens then!
odom602 9 months ago
so is the drug war on the table? rofl, I doubt it mr Boner.... I doubt it..
odom602 9 months ago
Amazing... the Repubs Napolitano and Dobbs on Fox were harder on Boner than Cenk.
jjcale1111 9 months ago
In the whole western world - except in the US & Monaco - it works like this: if you earn more you're taxed more.. not less..
raboratory 9 months ago 2
Congratulations you managed to over limit the audio in all your video clips this time around. It's an achievement to mess up this much.
thundavolt 9 months ago
at 02:16 Cenk is looking at his master.
iwillspyonyou 9 months ago
Cenk turns into John white on MSNBC lol.
But this time... he is alright, I enjoyed this segment.
ThatBlackPanda 9 months ago
vodafone makes 6B in revenue and pays 7 M in tax!!!!
why are ppl so weak to ignore someone whos stealing from them?
3108711289 9 months ago
The so called 'subsidies' to oil companies - these exactly the same tax DEDUCTIONS that ANY other company gets.
Exxon makes 2 cents per gallon of gas in USA, then it also gets taxed on those 2 cents, and personal taxes also apply. US federal gov't makes near 50 cents just on the gallon itself in taxes, then it taxes corporate and personal earnings.
Most of the Exxon's profits are outside of USA, most of its business is outside of USA. They deduct the money they make OUTSIDE of USA.
romanmir01 9 months ago
@romanmir01 The subsidies are, for example, drilling wells, and were instituted back in the early 20th century when drilling wells was pretty random, and you could not be assured of striking a well. Nowadays that is not a problem with modern geology. And they deduct so much money from the taxes they pay that they are getting refunded.
dangerouslytalented 9 months ago
@dangerouslytalented I am against income taxes in principle
here are the 'subsidies':
1) oil depletion allowance, [which is only available to smaller, independent companies, not "big oil"]
2) expensing indirect drilling costs, [which is an accelerated expensing schedule. It changes the timing of expense writeoffs, not the amount.] and
3) a tax credit for taxes paid to foreign nations during foreign operations (foreign tax credit) -which every multinational company gets, not just oil companies.
romanmir01 9 months ago
@romanmir01 This is an impressive argument, but it pales before the fact that the oil industry is making more money now than any industry has in the history of the world, and the biggest companies, like Exxon, are paying little or no taxes, they get the oil out of the USA for free. The public gets paid nothing for it. Then they get subsidies and sell the oil on the International market, so much of it goes to other countries. And let's not forget they corrupt our politicians with huge payoffs.
Jack194343 9 months ago
@Jack194343
"oil industry is making more money now than any industry has in the history..." - from this it follows that they must be robbed of their income for some reason? Just because somebody is making more money, doesn't create a natural right for you to have that money. They EARNED it
"biggest companies, like Exxon, are paying little or no taxes" - in USA they are making only 2 cents/gallon. Gov't makes 50cents/gallon. They are paying taxes on those 2 cents (corporate/ personal)
romanmir01 9 months ago
@Jack194343 When you say: "public gets paid nothing for it" -
1. Is gov't public? If so, then are you implying that 50 cents/gallon is nothing?
2. You are free to start your own oil company, no? Well, you could if there was no huge gov't scam going, protecting the oil and other industries from competition.
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Don't get me wrong, I am completely against all subsidies to all business and to all individuals. But don't call tax deductions subsidies and also stop taxing income.
romanmir01 9 months ago
@Jack194343 The only argument that I will agree to is this: no company must ever get any money from gov't, this includes any subsidies, any tax breaks, any stimulus, any bail out.
The only caveat is there must be no income taxes on either business or personal level. All gov't spending must be proportional to other spending that people do, and as their spending goes down, so must gov't spending, so income taxes must go away.
Now, where I am, income taxes are going away by vote of the public.
romanmir01 9 months ago
9:22 - HOW APPROPRIATE!
That's where the money is - said a BANK ROBBER.
That's where the money is - says the MOB in the WELFARE STATE.
How appropriate, I loved it. How did she manage to put the equivalence there herself, where it really belongs.
"Let's tax those bastards with more money than us, as long as we don't have to pay for all the things we want"
How appropriate.
A bunch of beggars and bunch of thieves - socialists.
romanmir01 9 months ago
@romanmir01 Cool story bro
Bresker18 9 months ago
@romanmir01 This is how a LOT of the current crop of billionaires got rich. Because they organised a bunch of bad mortgages to bolster the short term profits at the cost of homeowners and the long term viability of the banks themselves.
dangerouslytalented 9 months ago
@dangerouslytalented Sure, plenty of banks got much richer due to the mortgage scam. The only reason they were able to run that scam was gov't money and gov't insurance - protection.
You may want to understand that a bit more, here is a 2006 video with full explanation of the (then) incoming 2008 collapse watch?v=jj8rMwdQf6k
romanmir01 9 months ago
@romanmir01 Actually, those banks were being ripped off by their managers. Had they folded, the managers would have kept the money anyway, because they had already collected their pay. They were in it for themselves, not the good of the banks or anybody else.
dangerouslytalented 9 months ago