Acts 7:59 / 1 John 3:16 KJV and Hypocrisy

[MrJayguess]

I've discussed the Trinity extensively with this fraud over past weeks. He cannot answer even the simplest of questions regarding theology, Christology, or loving spirituality for that matter. He has no training in theology nor Greek yet he calls himself a Bible 'expert'. In private he is obnoxious, & has absolutely no understanding of God's love. Don't be deceived by this fraud. Ask yourselves, why is he posting videos like this? Evangelism? No, it's simply a way of fuelling his own evil ego.

[TheTrinityDelusion]

@MrJayguess

You are only betraying yourself friend.

[inscentof]

There is one God, Jehovah, there is one Lord Jesus christ. Where do you get 3 in one. Deut 6:4 Jehovah our God is one Jehovah what's so heard to understand about that.? Ps 83:18 it is Jehovah ALONE that is most high over all the earth. Get that ALONE!

[digger629]

@inscentof

If you are telling us because 1Cor.8:6 says one God, therefore Jesus can't be God.

Then it also says one Lord, then Jehovah can't be Lord.

Is this true?

[Danielezerable]

@digger629 Lord=title

[digger629]

@Danielezerable

The word Lord may mean title, but the definition of title would take in:> Almighty, Divine, God, Almighty God, Creator, Master, Ruler, Supreme Being....Phil 2:10-11

10 That at the Name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

[Danielezerable]

@digger629 Take careful note: verse 9 given the name above other names. verse 11 to the GLORY of GOD the FATHER. Oh...Jesus is made "Lord" Acts 2:36...LOL!

[digger629]

@Danielezerable

Typical Jehovah Witnesses, word inserter, misrepresenting answer...YOU KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THE WORD "OTHER" IS NOT THERE in verse 9 of Phil.2! Yet, you insert it there to try & prove a point. Shame on you.

[Danielezerable]

@digger629 Philippians 2:9

Therefore, God elevated him to the place of highest honor and gave him the name above all other names,

NLT Study Bible Translation - notice the word "other"?

I am NOT a Jehovah's Witness my friend and for the record "pas" can be used in a collective sense: ie - "all other".

[digger629]

@Danielezerable

Get rid of that version. You know you can make any doctrinal statement just by switching Bible versions. I have discovered a Biblical argument can never be won when you pit versions against versions. I believe what mine says & you believe what yours says. Do you believe Jesus has a NAME above all names? Yes or no? Are you a Greek Schollar? All other is not implied in this case. If it does apply, what are any of the "other" names it would refer to?

[Danielezerable]

@digger629 I see. You're a KJV-only cultist that also believes 1 Timothy 3:16 and 1 John 5:7 are valid scriptures.

[Danielezerable]

@digger629 I have knowledge on Greek translation and yes...it CAN be translated "all other". Otherwise, the NLT Study Bible wouldn't translate it as such. Let me ask you this: Why is God GIVEN the name if he already had it before the incarnation? Further, "all other" means "all except God". As the Bible CLEARLY teaches. :p

[Blogrich55]

@Danielezerable "I have knowledge on Greek translation and yes...it CAN be translated "all other". Otherwise, the NLT Study Bible wouldn't translate it as such."

NO it can NOT be translated that way! The WTBS originally put the phrase in brackets. At THAT point they had a modicum of scholastic integrity. NOW they just take out the brackets. Do you even KNOW who "translated" the NWT?? NONE of them INCLUDING Frederick Franz even spoke Koine Greek or Hebrew. This is ALL documented. Take care.

[Danielezerable]

@Blogrich55 I never quoted from the NWT. I quoted from the NLT and the NCV. I think you missed the entirety of the discussion and assumed I was using an NWT but this is not the case. NLT and NCV were the translations I used. The NWT is not available on biblegatewayDOTcom.

[Danielezerable]

@digger629 Note: it also says "did not think equality with God a thing to be grasped". Where in the Bible did Jesus claim to be God? NO WHERE! Because Jesus didn't think equality with God a thing to be grasped. If he's claiming to be God, then we have a huge problem - Jesus is thinking equality with God. And no, I will NOT get rid of my version. I refuse to be bullied by your pitiful Trinitarian idolatrous arguments. Trinitarians went in and corrupted verses to enforce things upon others.

[digger629]

@Danielezerable

Yes, I do believe 1Tim.3:16. I also believe Heb.1:8 where God theFather calls His Son GOD! If God the Father don't know who His Son is, nobody does... Don't bother answering back because I see by your last post that you pick & choose what Scriptures you want to believe & reject the rest. You will never learn anything that way. Also I could never prove anything to you from Scripture. You would just redefine the words or say you don't believe them.

[Danielezerable]

@digger629 Thought as much. Using corrupted texts to prove a Trinity won't get you any where but Hell. Further, God als says Jesus has a God. There are at least two Gods up there based on your fallacy. Thus, God has to be using Hebrew terminology.

[digger629]

@Danielezerable

You & everyone else has to misrepresent my "fallacy" to say that I am saying there are two gods up there....The Trinity doctrine absolutely affirms that there is ONE GOD comprised of three distinct persons, each share the same exact attributes, therefor, the three persons are the ONE GOD! NOT THREE GODS, but ONE GOD. Get that through your head & don't accuse Christians of believing in three gods...THEY DO NOT!

[Danielezerable]

@digger629 Only a cultist would tell another to get rid of their Bible. I believe you have a Spiritual Cancer. Praying for you.

[Danielezerable]

@digger629 From the NCV

So God raised him to the highest place. God made his name greater than every other name

[inscentof]

You cannot reason with these people sir don't try! Wasn't it Paul's custom to reason on the scriptures, acts 17:2 rather to take a scripture or two and run with it.

[digger629]

Adding the word "other" to Col.1:16 gives the illusion that Christ was a created being. That is not Scriptural.

Adding the word God to 1Jo.3:16 & Acts 7:59 does not change who Christ actually is.

Heb 1:8 says> But unto the Son (Jesus) He (Jehovah) saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever & ever:

Heb 1:6 says> & let all the angels of God worship Him. (Jesus)

God calls His Son God & commands angels to worship Him.

Is it wrong for angels to worship a created thing?

You decide!

[TheTrinityDelusion]

@digger629

So its okay for you to add words to Scripture which suit your theology but not anybody else right?

[digger629]

@TheTrinityDelusion

That's not what I said. Adding words to suit ones Theology is NOT permissable. That's what the WT has done to EVERY verse that deals with the Deity of Christ. I object to that & according to your own video, you do also. They have done this to John 1:1 also. If Jesus is "a god", then He is a false god. & worship is given to a "false god."

To add words to keep the meaning & context, or to make it more understandable is permissable. No one would object to that.

[TheTrinityDelusion]

@digger629

And of course since you have authoritatively deemed that Jesus is God it is okay to add that word to Acts 7:59, right?

[digger629]

@TheTrinityDelusion

You are right. However, before you think I am self-righteous or am oversteping my authority, I want you to know, my authority comes from Scripture. Scripture that does not contradict.

If Scripture calls Jesus God, then I have authority to call Him God also.

If you are a JW then you must believe in two gods...Jehovah the BIG GOD & Jesus the little god.

Tell me where I am wrong here.

[TheTrinityDelusion]

@digger629

The Watchtower adds a word to the Scriptures based on their theologial bias.

The King James adds a word to the Scriptures based on a theological bias.

Same thing.

To believe its okay for the KJV translators to do this but not the Watchtower is hypocrisy.

Whether JW's have right theology, or not, is not the issue here. Hypocrisy is.

Don't rant at the NWT for adding words unless you rant at your own KJV for doing the very same thing or you engage in hypocrisy.

[digger629]

@TheTrinityDelusion

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You are just like all the other Bible-thumping, atheist, cultists, evolutionists out there that think you know it all.

In my experience with you guys, I have to teach you what words mean before I can accurately refute you. Lets cut all the baloney & quit wasting each others time.

Go get a expository dictionary & look up the word ”FIRSTBORN". Then maybe we can talk.

Once again to accept your definition of firstborn would mean Jesus was the 1st raised from the dead.

[TheTrinityDelusion]

@digger629

It seems you want to argue against the JW's today. Maybe you should go find one if you want to do that. There aren't any JW's around here.

And try to remember next time that Lazarus is dead. Jesus isn't, raised into immortality.

It is also presumptuous of you to suppose that you are the only one to have ever read the Trinitarian apologetic claims concerning the word "firstborn." Been there, done that 20 years ago.

Footstamping just isn't going to work here.

[inscentof]

@digger629 Again for thw 100th time where does Jesus say he is God? But Jehovah has said he is God, I don't it! PLease get this big God and little God out of your twisted head. The scriptures plainly teach there are many Gods, you contradict yourself. Satan is a god, Jesus is god but there all not the ALMIGHTY, are they?

[digger629]

@inscentof

Do you see what you are posting here.

Are you saying Jesus is in the same "a god" class as satan & Moses & the Judges? Is that where He is in your mind?

Are you saying that Jesus is god but not GOD the Almighty.

Scripture insists, THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE GOD.

Either Jesus is the True God or He is a false god. There is no middle class.

There is no god of a sort.

Scripture is very clear> ALL CALLED GODS ARE FALSE GODS. Including all a god

THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE GOD.

[digger629]

@inscentof

Why do I have to show you where Jesus said He is God?

Isn't the whole Bible God's Word?

If Matthew, Thomas, John, Paul, Timothy, Moses, Zechariah, Micah, Luke, Peter & even God the Father say Jesus is God, isn't that enough to make it true? How mush more do you need. Does Jesus have to say something in order for the other writers of Scripture to have validity?

If God says something ONCE, that is enough for me.

[digger629]

I suggest you do a study on what firstborn means. If I take WT meaning of that word & apply it to Christ, a major contradiction occurs. That being...CHRIST WAS NOT THE 1ST ONE BORN.

The meaning of a word is determined by it's usage in a verse.

Firstborn in that verse means, the one who has the right to rule, not the 1st one born.

Firstborn has a double meaning, just like primeminister has a double meaning.

Prime means 1st, it also means most recent.

[TheTrinityDelusion]

@digger629

This video isn't about Colossians 1:15. And if you really want to know what firstborn means read verse 18.

The Firstborn out of the dead is the image of the invisible God. It is a reference to the risen and glorified Jesus.

[digger629]

@TheTrinityDelusion

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You know Jesus was not the firstborn from the dead if you mean, first raised from the dead.

You redefine words to mean what you think they mean. No wonder you don't understand what Scripture really teaches.

I would like to hear your definition of Trinity. You have several videos about what you think it is...Please tell me...What is your definition of the trinity? JW don't know what the Trinity is. They only know what the WT tells them it is. What is yours?

[digger629]

@TheTrinityDelusion

Tell me then, if you have known for 20 years the double meaning of what firstborn means, why do you misrepresent it's meaning?

You know Christ was not the 1st one born.

You know Christ was not the 1st one raised from the dead.

BTW, it was a JW who gave me this sight. They will go to anyone who supports their position to reduce Christ to a mere man.

I still want you to give me your definition of the Trinity, if you don't mind.

[TheTrinityDelusion]

@digger629

I get the impression that you think everything you read in a book must therefore be a statement of the facts. Contrivances don't amount to facts. Read the context of Colossians 1:15. Firstborn in v. 15 refers to Jesus' resurrection out of the dead v.18 just as it does at Romans 8:29, Acts 13:33, Revelation 1:5, etc.

My explanation of the Trinity is stated in a video on my channel. Are you now wishing to play the old "you don't understand the Trinity" game now?

[Danielezerable]

@TheTrinityDelusion God bless your ministry servant of Jesus! It is unfortunate that people attack you.

[inscentof]

A good, fair and honest assessment of Religion. The world is in the shape it's in due to relgion. Wars, dishonesty and I could go on for hours. But kudos to you, sir!

[carloswater7]

Wend you read and Compare the Hebrew and Greek texts with the KJV you will see that the KJV is not that close to them

[JAKEV25]

The NIV...The NRSV...The TEV and the LB are the bibles that actually add the most significant tendentious material to Colossian1 without any attempt to mark added words.

[JAKEV25]

....There can be no ligitimate objection to "other" in Col 1 because Paul clearly does not mean to include God or Christ in his phrase "all things" when God is the implied subject and Christ the explicit agent of creation"...Truth in Translation- BeDuhn

[JAKEV25]

SS...."All is commonly used in Greek as a hyperbole, that is an exaggeration. The "other" is assumed. In one case. In 1 Corinthians 15, Paul catches himself saying that God will make all things subject to Christ. He stops and clarifies that "of course" when he says "all things" he doesn't mean that God himself will be subject to Christ..but all other things will be

[BiblePost]

It's likely that they used 1Jn. 4:8, which says, "God is love," to justify inserting 'God' in 1Jn. 3:16.

It is interesting to note that the NKJV simply says "by this we know love" in 1Jn. 3:16.

[howdytheresir]

Someone else noticed?!lol..Yeah,when I've tried to point out instances of this hypocrisy as well,I have been met with hostility.Pretty concerning stuff.

[ascendingdove]

BTW, I am anti-trinitarian and have been for quite some time.

[ascendingdove]

Added words are in either italics or brackets. My King James does not use either in these verses. So, I suspect not all KJV bibles are written the same?