@suey4040 Birth control pills do not always stop ovulation and the third stage, the thinning of of the uterine wall, the pill becomes an abortafacient. If you believe life begins at conception, not implantation, then an abortion may occur.
What if a women gets a hysterectomy? Most of the time women have to get those because of health issues, but she wouldn't be able to have kids anymore. And also wouldn't the pull out method be consider a form of contraception? You seem very nice but there are reasons for birth control and contraception.
If you believe Birth Control is an Abortion then i am Sorry to tell you if that is the case then there are over a million a day. I have always known that birth control prevents pregnancies that's what the freaking pill was designed for. Sorry to tell you that the Genie is out of the bottle and there ain't going back to the back alley the pill is here to stay.
My parents are gonna cry tears of joy when I'll tell them about my future pregnancy, they'll be SOOO RELIEVED that I didn't use vile things like condoms and birth control.
@runningp123456 Although I'm sure that type of spontaneous display of affection works fabulously well for you out on the streets and in the establishments and institutions you frequent, it strikes one as a kind of vain... And I'll wager this next adjective brings comfort and a renewed sense of well being to the lass in the video... fruitless attempt here on YouTube in the vast labyrinth of the inter-webs.
If I'm wrong in this I do apologize, however, I feel quite secure in my assumptions.
I sort of see what you're saying. But, respectfully of course, there isn't really an in between with life. Like there isn't an "almost alive" or a "kind of dead". You're either alive or you're not. Life happens at the moment of conception. That's my perspective as far as what u said.
I do respect that you have an opinion & voice it. But what about the millions of baby-creating sperm that most men kill every day? All of our wasted ovulations as women? How many times have you eaten fruit and thrown away the seeds? Studies have shown that people who engage in intercourse live longer, healthier, & happier lives, so you're undermining the potent. for life in living people! But alright, I hope you don't ruin a baby's fated moment of conception when you escape a rapist some day.
even though i disagree with you, you have the prettiest eyes and i'm totally mesmerized by them. kudos to speaking what you believe even when you're faced with doubt and disagreement.
First off, it is not killing a life before it's born because nothing is happening. Much like your period. Is your menstrual cycle a form abortion? Condoms do not just prevent pregnancy, but it prevents std's. Some of which are FATAL. I don't believe in abortion either, yet I do believe in taking precaution. Sex is human nature and some ppl are simply not ready to be parents. So, taking safe measures is the responsible thing to do. I just pray that you stay std free while having unsafe sex. :)
i completely disagree with you. Contraception is not ending a life, dont you think it is more cruel to carry out a pregnancy and a birth to an unwanted child and for it to not be cared for correctly than to get rid of it before its even developed what you would call a brain or better yet stop it completely with contraception.
just a side note? but contraception stops things like stds aswell so really your view is quite absurd
Some birth control methods that are actually abortafacients include the various forms of the pill, IUD, morning-after pill. These do not stop conception (although the pill can sometimes do that), they only stop implantation of the fertilised egg into the uterine wall and are therefore abortafacients.
I think that people need to be very, very careful about their attitudes to contraception because some methods don't necessarily prevent ovulation or conception from occuring, they simply prevent a zygote (aka fertilised egg, aka baby) from implanting in the uterine wall. If this very early embryo does not implant, he/she dies. These methods are therefore not contraceptive (although, like the pill, some also sometimes function that way) but are abortafacient. These abortafacients include...
You have the basic gist down but the wrong terminology.Contraception is wrong not because it ends a "potential life" but rather, like homosexuality, it interrupts the connatural end of sexuality - pregnancy.
Just like abortion, in order for a mother to flourish, she should start off by not killing her child. And for two lovers to flourish, they should not frustrate the natural ends of their desires.
However, sadly, an unwed pregnant mother will not reestablish a virtuous society.
The lifespan of sperm in the male body is approximately 74 days. Each and every functioning sperm cell is a potential for life. In the average ejaculation, there are 50-500million sperm cells released. One sperm cell may or may not fertilize an egg. That's a waste of potential life according to what you've said.
Also, every menstrual cycle flushes one egg, an even rarer potential for life, out of the system. Unless you find a way to stop menstruation, you might as well use birth control.
Though I disagree with (probably) 90% of your opinions, kudos to you for being somewhat consistent in your beliefs and not being completely full of pure hatred like a lot of people get in this type of debate.
I know you are young and not sexually active etc but when you are married, will you only have sex for when you want a child? Some people think they can stick to safe days but there aren't any. The Catholic church haven't caught on yet lol. And if your husband masturbate will you feel he is having an "abortion"? That would be the same as the pill preventing eggs to be released which you see as "abortion" as well.
I'm pro-life and pro-contraception. An egg on its own isn't a baby. If that were true, menstruation would be genocide. I know more than one family with more kids than they can possibly afford. (9+) Those kids are miserable and are basically pawned off to other family members to take care of. The parents can't provide for them physically or emotionally, and it's all a horrible mess. You shouldn't have more kids than you can afford to provide for, monetarily and emotionally. End rant. :)
A good friend of mine who was born to a Catholic mother who didn't plan her but chose to do what she believed was the right that and give birth to her . . . When she was 3 years-old, my friend she was raped by her "loving mother's" boyfriend's 17year-old son. After years of poverty and neglect she was taken from her "loving family" at age 7. This same friend is now die hard pro-choice. We should STOP having babies and adopt and love the ones already here. I'm 16 years old, & pro-choice
@suey4040 Them you misunderstood me, by that I by no means ment that we should abort all fetuses. I simply ment that our Mother Earth is overpoulated and we, as humans need to be more responsible with our bodies, meaning that we should elliminate unwanted pregnancies alltogether.
In a perfect world, every pregnancy is planned, every family is economically and emotionally stable, and every child is loved and cared for properly. Now don't you agree no matter what your creed or religion????
@suey4040 Choosing not to have kids & adopt instead is not pro-abortion, it's a choice not to have biological kids.Those people are a God gift to orphan kids and their parents all over the world.Having kids is often for selfish reasons but adopting makes you a bit less selfish.
I agree with you that abstinence is the BEST method of preventing unplanned pregnancy. I don't believe, however, that condoning avoidance of contraception is helpful since people ARE sexually active.
I watched one of your vids about Obama & March Madness. You know he supports partial-birth abortion, right? You know how LATE in a pregnancy that "procedure" is often performed and what it entails, right? I believe you're a good person, on the right side, but I think ABORTION is the real struggle.
@FlyUnicornsFly You should do some research on why late term abortions are performed. While you're at it, be a little smart and find non biased sources. Late term abortions are performed only for important medical reasons - if the uterus bearer's health is at risk, or the fetus' health is at risk. and before you say that it's god's will who lives and who dies, wouldn't it be nice to be spared from pain and possibly death? Or do you not believe we should treat people with diseases such as cancer?
I don't yet understand your point about contraception. A condom is merely a physical barrier between the sperm cells and the ovum. A man and woman can stand beside each other and physical barriers still remain between those cells, those basic building blocks. What difference is it if the separation is miles apart or microns thick? Until contraception occurs, the ovum and sperm cells will remain ovum and sperm cells. I'm not saying that I disagree, only that I don't yet see your point.
You say you are pro life and I respect your views. But I personally think if birth control was to be completely band or something like that then the abortion rate would increase because you would get alot more teenagers getting pregnant and then opting for a way out that being abortion including woman who might not have the resources to look after a child or be mentally stable. I don't think birth control is a form of abortion if anything I think it prevents abortions because it prevents
This is a BAD argument against birth control. What if a couple has sex and the woman doesn't become pregnant? Is that abortion? What if they're married and can't afford another child? Are they performing abortion by using birth control? No sex after menopause!
If it's personal for you that's fine. I have a problem with politicians wanting to turn this country into a theocracy. I'm an atheist and some christians would love to kick me out for refusing to follow this kind of crap.
@suey4040 They're crap when politicians try to enforce them as law even onto non-believers. I should've been more specific. I said they were fine as your personal beliefs.
@suey4040 Right!!! There's a difference between personal convictions and rule of law. As long as these differences are kept I really don't have a problem with chrisitians and conservatives in general. You can live however you want. Express your beliefs and even persuade people to them. Enforcing them is a can of worms. It also diminishes your beliefs. People stop sharing your beliefs because they chose to (freewill) but because they have to.
I'm always frustrated when I see pro-lifers advocate contraception as some panacea for abortion and all of our problems as a human race, but what is abortion if not another form of birth control? The pill's secondary function is making sure the fertilized egg cannot implant, thus causing an abortion. Once people form a contraceptive mentality, anything that gets in the way of sexual pleasure "w/out consequences" is immediately torn down, and you get support for homosexuality and abortion!
That's very interesting! I don't think I've ever heard that view before. I think personally I am okay with any kind of birth control that does not involve chemicals or hormones or any other intrusion on the reproductive system. So I think the calendar method, condoms, etc are okay, but not the pill (although I do know some women use that for medicine and in their cases the benefit outweighs the risks for them).
I do not, however, support birth control. I understand that sometimes it is used for medicinal purposes - and I suppose that I cannot blame a women for using it as such - but I, personally, do not what to use it even in that case.
Birth control pills can sometimes cause spontaneous abortions because it is, after all, a chemical that is messing with the natural order of our bodies.
The morning after pill is downright abortion and I do not support it in any way."
"I've recently been thinking a lot about what my views are on this topic...and I believe the use of condoms can be beneficial for devoted couples who have had children - or are waiting to have children under they are more finically stable.
I see what you are saying about the calendar method and that, of course, would be the best option for a pro-life person! :)"
@suey4040: Abstinence is better than condoms. First off, abstinence is FREE. Second, it strengthens marriage as both husband and wife "abstain from intercourse during the fertile period as often as for reasonable motives the birth of another child is not desirable. And when the infertile period recurs, they use their married intimacy to express their mutual love and safeguard their fidelity toward one another. In doing this they certainly give proof of a true and authentic love." -Humanae Vitae
Plus the morning after pills can cause miscarriages if the egg has been already fertilized by not letting it implant on the uterus, or even after the egg/embryo has been succesfully implanted
@laurism12 Wrong! Emergency contraception does not work after implantation, and whether or not it works after fertilization is still an open question.
Pope Paul VI predicted over 40 years ago(!) that birth control would create a lowering of morality, increased infidelity, and objectification of women. Someone try to convince me that this has NOT happened?
umm idk , im pro life 100% but im not so sure about this.... yea it stops a possible life from forming BUT say there a married couple who wants to make love and dont want tons of kids tho.... someone please respond and explain
@imxsoxridiculous If birth control must be used, then natural birth control should be used, like the calendar method. Most contraceptive methods are unnatural. I don't support the idea of natural birth control because I believe the purpose of intercourse is to procreate, but if you must use birth control, the calendar method is a natural way of doing this, and much more acceptable, in my opinion, than condoms or pills.
@imxsoxridiculous That's the thing, sex is meant to create new life, that's what it was made for so you need to take responsability for your actions so to speak and know there's a posibility for a baby. Like suey4040 said there are natural methods to space babies, like NFP which have a 98% rate of effectiveness when used correctly.
Of course, one still can't help but feel that doing this would still send the wrong message, that it could indirectly lead to more premarital sex, a greater cultural emphasis on sex, and perhaps an even greater spread of STDs than there would have been if condoms had not been given, even taking into account that condom use can sometimes prevent the spread of STDs.
@TheSilverSceptre All valid points. I see where you're coming from. Distributing contraception in 3rd world countries seems to be quite the gray area. I would have to say that I'm still against contraceptive usage, even in these places, simply because of my stance mentioned in the video and because of my religion. Although I, too, can see why distributing contraception in such places could possibly be a good thing. Once again, all valid, and great points you've mentioned.
However, I sometimes have trouble taking a clear position on the distribution of condoms in 3rd world countries. Some of my fellow pro-life advocates are dead set against supporting Right to Life organizations that do this, but to a certain extent I can sympathize with what they're trying to do - I think condom usage is definitely a better alternative for those couples who do not share my religious belief regarding the purpose of intercourse and would seek abortion when pregnancy occurs.
I definitely agree with what you said; as a Catholic I have a very strong personal belief in abstinence and would never use contraception because it goes against the purpose of intercourse, procreation. I also think it's a much better idea to focus on instilling values in our children than providing them with contraception, because otherwise we're just sending them a contradictory message.
I think it's a personal choice to use contraceptives, such as condoms, because people nowadays can't stick with abstinence or even calendar technique, where they can have sex few days after a menstruation of a woman.
@ASIANBOYZPRODUCTION It is a very personal choice, natural contraception (such as the calendar technique) is I believe a better choice than other methods. Although I still don't agree with this method, if birth control is a must, this natural way is much better than others in my opinion.
@suey4040 Agree, but very few know how to do this that's why most of them ends up using condoms or pills. I think it's also about business because companies selling those products make money by rampant advertising from TV to internet.
We also need to put in mind that using condoms are just a way from stopping the "Sperm" from flowing into you know. Thus, making it impossible from both sides to create a new organism in any form, just stopping it.
@ASIANBOYZPRODUCTION Stopping AND killing the sperm. When one has sexual intercourse, he or she should remember that the purpose of it IS, in fact, to procreate.
@suey4040 Well, Men release sperm naturally to release heat in their body or keeping blood circulation in the penis and not only to impregnate women. Men can do this by few other methods like wet dreams or masturbation, which is natural for men, so I don't see the point why using condoms is not good. And women release it from menstrual period.
In the other hand, It might be Psychologically true when we think of it as creating a baby, mainly because of our religious background.
@ASIANBOYZPRODUCTION These are all true, and again, natural. Condoms are not natural. Do you see the point I'm trying to make in that some things can be natural and unprevented whereas other things are unnatural and made to prevent a life from being formed?
How are your views on masturbation then? That, at least in your view it seems, is a form of abortion is it not
desikraus 3 weeks ago
Praying to end abortions is as useful as giving up video games to end abortion >.>
also does using saran wrap that you have gotten off of your grandmothers tuna salad count as countraception?
whats with the pony tails eww, cant wait till your 20 and cant be apart of this lame teen jesus loving club thing
@shripriyaismylove if thats true i have killed billions
omegajbmb 3 weeks ago
@omegajbmb I started it...and I'll start another.
suey4040 3 weeks ago
I'm pro-life and I think birth-control is ok, is that bad?
commentsxonly 1 month ago
@commentsxonly No, I've actually changed my opinions on it.
suey4040 1 month ago
@suey4040 what? I thought you were Catholic?
irishgal2002697 1 month ago
@suey4040 Birth control pills do not always stop ovulation and the third stage, the thinning of of the uterine wall, the pill becomes an abortafacient. If you believe life begins at conception, not implantation, then an abortion may occur.
TheAccidentalFascist 4 weeks ago 2
@suey4040 why have you changed your opinion?
p90xJoel 4 weeks ago
@p90xJoel Because not everyone is going to abstain. If you're going to have sex, just use protection
suey4040 4 weeks ago
@suey4040 A point to be made is that even with availability of condoms and people abstaining from sex, abortions occur.
ChooseLifeIreland 4 weeks ago
@suey4040 fyi this is not in line with Catholic teaching. so you might want to tell people that, since you say your are Catholic.
irishgal2002697 20 hours ago
@suey4040 ok good, cause i dont want 50 kids haha :)
commentsxonly 3 weeks ago
What if a women gets a hysterectomy? Most of the time women have to get those because of health issues, but she wouldn't be able to have kids anymore. And also wouldn't the pull out method be consider a form of contraception? You seem very nice but there are reasons for birth control and contraception.
WhatsInTheCookieJar 1 month ago
If you believe Birth Control is an Abortion then i am Sorry to tell you if that is the case then there are over a million a day. I have always known that birth control prevents pregnancies that's what the freaking pill was designed for. Sorry to tell you that the Genie is out of the bottle and there ain't going back to the back alley the pill is here to stay.
HowardSternn 2 months ago
My parents are gonna cry tears of joy when I'll tell them about my future pregnancy, they'll be SOOO RELIEVED that I didn't use vile things like condoms and birth control.
deadfreya 2 months ago
@runningp123456 Although I'm sure that type of spontaneous display of affection works fabulously well for you out on the streets and in the establishments and institutions you frequent, it strikes one as a kind of vain... And I'll wager this next adjective brings comfort and a renewed sense of well being to the lass in the video... fruitless attempt here on YouTube in the vast labyrinth of the inter-webs.
If I'm wrong in this I do apologize, however, I feel quite secure in my assumptions.
N1k1mon 2 months ago
Protect yourself before you wreck yourself, kids.
xhollyberry 2 months ago
I sort of see what you're saying. But, respectfully of course, there isn't really an in between with life. Like there isn't an "almost alive" or a "kind of dead". You're either alive or you're not. Life happens at the moment of conception. That's my perspective as far as what u said.
girlwithamission95 2 months ago
you're cute, wanna fuck?
RunningP123456 2 months ago
I do respect that you have an opinion & voice it. But what about the millions of baby-creating sperm that most men kill every day? All of our wasted ovulations as women? How many times have you eaten fruit and thrown away the seeds? Studies have shown that people who engage in intercourse live longer, healthier, & happier lives, so you're undermining the potent. for life in living people! But alright, I hope you don't ruin a baby's fated moment of conception when you escape a rapist some day.
ClashCityRockrr 2 months ago 2
even though i disagree with you, you have the prettiest eyes and i'm totally mesmerized by them. kudos to speaking what you believe even when you're faced with doubt and disagreement.
daffodilsparkle 4 months ago
@daffodilsparkle Thank you :)
suey4040 2 months ago
First off, it is not killing a life before it's born because nothing is happening. Much like your period. Is your menstrual cycle a form abortion? Condoms do not just prevent pregnancy, but it prevents std's. Some of which are FATAL. I don't believe in abortion either, yet I do believe in taking precaution. Sex is human nature and some ppl are simply not ready to be parents. So, taking safe measures is the responsible thing to do. I just pray that you stay std free while having unsafe sex. :)
ariannaherron 4 months ago
i completely disagree with you. Contraception is not ending a life, dont you think it is more cruel to carry out a pregnancy and a birth to an unwanted child and for it to not be cared for correctly than to get rid of it before its even developed what you would call a brain or better yet stop it completely with contraception.
just a side note? but contraception stops things like stds aswell so really your view is quite absurd
stewiecall97 5 months ago
Some birth control methods that are actually abortafacients include the various forms of the pill, IUD, morning-after pill. These do not stop conception (although the pill can sometimes do that), they only stop implantation of the fertilised egg into the uterine wall and are therefore abortafacients.
MissMusicienne 5 months ago
I think that people need to be very, very careful about their attitudes to contraception because some methods don't necessarily prevent ovulation or conception from occuring, they simply prevent a zygote (aka fertilised egg, aka baby) from implanting in the uterine wall. If this very early embryo does not implant, he/she dies. These methods are therefore not contraceptive (although, like the pill, some also sometimes function that way) but are abortafacient. These abortafacients include...
MissMusicienne 5 months ago
You have the basic gist down but the wrong terminology.Contraception is wrong not because it ends a "potential life" but rather, like homosexuality, it interrupts the connatural end of sexuality - pregnancy.
Just like abortion, in order for a mother to flourish, she should start off by not killing her child. And for two lovers to flourish, they should not frustrate the natural ends of their desires.
However, sadly, an unwed pregnant mother will not reestablish a virtuous society.
TheAccidentalFascist 5 months ago
i hope you are stock piling your pads and tampons cause you know, there is a potential for life there
snappydk1986 6 months ago 2
The lifespan of sperm in the male body is approximately 74 days. Each and every functioning sperm cell is a potential for life. In the average ejaculation, there are 50-500million sperm cells released. One sperm cell may or may not fertilize an egg. That's a waste of potential life according to what you've said.
Also, every menstrual cycle flushes one egg, an even rarer potential for life, out of the system. Unless you find a way to stop menstruation, you might as well use birth control.
zharnotczar 6 months ago
so every time a man masturbates or turns down sex is that eliminating the potential for life too?
shripriyaismylove 7 months ago 18
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Haderittan 7 months ago
Just curious, do you support legislation that would make getting contraceptives harder or flat out illegal?
Also, what are your opinions of sex education? Teaching only from a pro-abstinence view or having full, comprehensive education?
cmadison93 7 months ago
Though I disagree with (probably) 90% of your opinions, kudos to you for being somewhat consistent in your beliefs and not being completely full of pure hatred like a lot of people get in this type of debate.
cmadison93 7 months ago
I know you are young and not sexually active etc but when you are married, will you only have sex for when you want a child? Some people think they can stick to safe days but there aren't any. The Catholic church haven't caught on yet lol. And if your husband masturbate will you feel he is having an "abortion"? That would be the same as the pill preventing eggs to be released which you see as "abortion" as well.
Haderittan 7 months ago
I'm pro-life and pro-contraception. An egg on its own isn't a baby. If that were true, menstruation would be genocide. I know more than one family with more kids than they can possibly afford. (9+) Those kids are miserable and are basically pawned off to other family members to take care of. The parents can't provide for them physically or emotionally, and it's all a horrible mess. You shouldn't have more kids than you can afford to provide for, monetarily and emotionally. End rant. :)
luckothegaelic 7 months ago
What do you think about contraception used to prevent the spread of disease such as HIV or AIDS? Or are those god's will too?
containsaloevera 8 months ago
I've heard contraception doesn't work, the best way to not become prgenant is abstinence.
MrsNiky5 8 months ago
A good friend of mine who was born to a Catholic mother who didn't plan her but chose to do what she believed was the right that and give birth to her . . . When she was 3 years-old, my friend she was raped by her "loving mother's" boyfriend's 17year-old son. After years of poverty and neglect she was taken from her "loving family" at age 7. This same friend is now die hard pro-choice. We should STOP having babies and adopt and love the ones already here. I'm 16 years old, & pro-choice
EmilyMishap 9 months ago 8
@EmilyMishap That's called pro-abortion and illogical
suey4040 9 months ago
@suey4040 How is that "pro-abortion"? Where did I ever say that?
EmilyMishap 9 months ago 2
@EmilyMishap Stop having babies....pro-abortion.
suey4040 9 months ago
@suey4040 Them you misunderstood me, by that I by no means ment that we should abort all fetuses. I simply ment that our Mother Earth is overpoulated and we, as humans need to be more responsible with our bodies, meaning that we should elliminate unwanted pregnancies alltogether.
In a perfect world, every pregnancy is planned, every family is economically and emotionally stable, and every child is loved and cared for properly. Now don't you agree no matter what your creed or religion????
EmilyMishap 8 months ago
@suey4040 Choosing not to have kids & adopt instead is not pro-abortion, it's a choice not to have biological kids.Those people are a God gift to orphan kids and their parents all over the world.Having kids is often for selfish reasons but adopting makes you a bit less selfish.
Haderittan 7 months ago 5
I agree with you that abstinence is the BEST method of preventing unplanned pregnancy. I don't believe, however, that condoning avoidance of contraception is helpful since people ARE sexually active.
I watched one of your vids about Obama & March Madness. You know he supports partial-birth abortion, right? You know how LATE in a pregnancy that "procedure" is often performed and what it entails, right? I believe you're a good person, on the right side, but I think ABORTION is the real struggle.
FlyUnicornsFly 9 months ago
@FlyUnicornsFly You should do some research on why late term abortions are performed. While you're at it, be a little smart and find non biased sources. Late term abortions are performed only for important medical reasons - if the uterus bearer's health is at risk, or the fetus' health is at risk. and before you say that it's god's will who lives and who dies, wouldn't it be nice to be spared from pain and possibly death? Or do you not believe we should treat people with diseases such as cancer?
containsaloevera 8 months ago
@containsaloevera Treating a cancer patient doesn't entail murdering another human being. End of story.
girlwithamission95 2 months ago
I don't yet understand your point about contraception. A condom is merely a physical barrier between the sperm cells and the ovum. A man and woman can stand beside each other and physical barriers still remain between those cells, those basic building blocks. What difference is it if the separation is miles apart or microns thick? Until contraception occurs, the ovum and sperm cells will remain ovum and sperm cells. I'm not saying that I disagree, only that I don't yet see your point.
TheNeaL777 9 months ago 19
You say you are pro life and I respect your views. But I personally think if birth control was to be completely band or something like that then the abortion rate would increase because you would get alot more teenagers getting pregnant and then opting for a way out that being abortion including woman who might not have the resources to look after a child or be mentally stable. I don't think birth control is a form of abortion if anything I think it prevents abortions because it prevents
LisaFauldsOffical 9 months ago 3
Birth control MURDERS sperm! It's homocide!
PrudishFury 10 months ago
This is a BAD argument against birth control. What if a couple has sex and the woman doesn't become pregnant? Is that abortion? What if they're married and can't afford another child? Are they performing abortion by using birth control? No sex after menopause!
If it's personal for you that's fine. I have a problem with politicians wanting to turn this country into a theocracy. I'm an atheist and some christians would love to kick me out for refusing to follow this kind of crap.
scullkrusher 10 months ago 5
@scullkrusher It's not crap. It's my beliefs.
suey4040 10 months ago
@suey4040 They're crap when politicians try to enforce them as law even onto non-believers. I should've been more specific. I said they were fine as your personal beliefs.
scullkrusher 10 months ago 5
@scullkrusher Like the Comstock Laws of 1873...even I think they were a bit too radical and "in your face".
suey4040 10 months ago
@suey4040 Right!!! There's a difference between personal convictions and rule of law. As long as these differences are kept I really don't have a problem with chrisitians and conservatives in general. You can live however you want. Express your beliefs and even persuade people to them. Enforcing them is a can of worms. It also diminishes your beliefs. People stop sharing your beliefs because they chose to (freewill) but because they have to.
scullkrusher 10 months ago
I'm always frustrated when I see pro-lifers advocate contraception as some panacea for abortion and all of our problems as a human race, but what is abortion if not another form of birth control? The pill's secondary function is making sure the fertilized egg cannot implant, thus causing an abortion. Once people form a contraceptive mentality, anything that gets in the way of sexual pleasure "w/out consequences" is immediately torn down, and you get support for homosexuality and abortion!
lambofgodofwariz 11 months ago
That's very interesting! I don't think I've ever heard that view before. I think personally I am okay with any kind of birth control that does not involve chemicals or hormones or any other intrusion on the reproductive system. So I think the calendar method, condoms, etc are okay, but not the pill (although I do know some women use that for medicine and in their cases the benefit outweighs the risks for them).
ximamazed 11 months ago
It's an important topic for pro-lifers to discuss.
ChooseLifeIreland 11 months ago
musicalxmhurrich (part 2):
I do not, however, support birth control. I understand that sometimes it is used for medicinal purposes - and I suppose that I cannot blame a women for using it as such - but I, personally, do not what to use it even in that case.
Birth control pills can sometimes cause spontaneous abortions because it is, after all, a chemical that is messing with the natural order of our bodies.
The morning after pill is downright abortion and I do not support it in any way."
suey4040 11 months ago
@suey4040 Thanks for posting this for me! :)
musicalxmhurrich 11 months ago
musicalxmhurrich:
"I've recently been thinking a lot about what my views are on this topic...and I believe the use of condoms can be beneficial for devoted couples who have had children - or are waiting to have children under they are more finically stable.
I see what you are saying about the calendar method and that, of course, would be the best option for a pro-life person! :)"
suey4040 11 months ago
@suey4040: Abstinence is better than condoms. First off, abstinence is FREE. Second, it strengthens marriage as both husband and wife "abstain from intercourse during the fertile period as often as for reasonable motives the birth of another child is not desirable. And when the infertile period recurs, they use their married intimacy to express their mutual love and safeguard their fidelity toward one another. In doing this they certainly give proof of a true and authentic love." -Humanae Vitae
twelvestars8 9 months ago
Plus the morning after pills can cause miscarriages if the egg has been already fertilized by not letting it implant on the uterus, or even after the egg/embryo has been succesfully implanted
laurism12 11 months ago
@laurism12 Wrong! Emergency contraception does not work after implantation, and whether or not it works after fertilization is still an open question.
MsMirrorMirror 10 months ago
Pope Paul VI predicted over 40 years ago(!) that birth control would create a lowering of morality, increased infidelity, and objectification of women. Someone try to convince me that this has NOT happened?
CrankyCatholic 11 months ago
@CrankyCatholic Well, it must all be because of birth control. Nothing else has changed in the last 40 years.
MsMirrorMirror 10 months ago
umm idk , im pro life 100% but im not so sure about this.... yea it stops a possible life from forming BUT say there a married couple who wants to make love and dont want tons of kids tho.... someone please respond and explain
imxsoxridiculous 11 months ago
@imxsoxridiculous If birth control must be used, then natural birth control should be used, like the calendar method. Most contraceptive methods are unnatural. I don't support the idea of natural birth control because I believe the purpose of intercourse is to procreate, but if you must use birth control, the calendar method is a natural way of doing this, and much more acceptable, in my opinion, than condoms or pills.
suey4040 11 months ago
@imxsoxridiculous That's the thing, sex is meant to create new life, that's what it was made for so you need to take responsability for your actions so to speak and know there's a posibility for a baby. Like suey4040 said there are natural methods to space babies, like NFP which have a 98% rate of effectiveness when used correctly.
laurism12 11 months ago
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TheSilverSceptre 11 months ago
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TheSilverSceptre 11 months ago
Of course, one still can't help but feel that doing this would still send the wrong message, that it could indirectly lead to more premarital sex, a greater cultural emphasis on sex, and perhaps an even greater spread of STDs than there would have been if condoms had not been given, even taking into account that condom use can sometimes prevent the spread of STDs.
TheSilverSceptre 11 months ago
@TheSilverSceptre All valid points. I see where you're coming from. Distributing contraception in 3rd world countries seems to be quite the gray area. I would have to say that I'm still against contraceptive usage, even in these places, simply because of my stance mentioned in the video and because of my religion. Although I, too, can see why distributing contraception in such places could possibly be a good thing. Once again, all valid, and great points you've mentioned.
suey4040 11 months ago
However, I sometimes have trouble taking a clear position on the distribution of condoms in 3rd world countries. Some of my fellow pro-life advocates are dead set against supporting Right to Life organizations that do this, but to a certain extent I can sympathize with what they're trying to do - I think condom usage is definitely a better alternative for those couples who do not share my religious belief regarding the purpose of intercourse and would seek abortion when pregnancy occurs.
TheSilverSceptre 11 months ago
I definitely agree with what you said; as a Catholic I have a very strong personal belief in abstinence and would never use contraception because it goes against the purpose of intercourse, procreation. I also think it's a much better idea to focus on instilling values in our children than providing them with contraception, because otherwise we're just sending them a contradictory message.
TheSilverSceptre 11 months ago
I think it's a personal choice to use contraceptives, such as condoms, because people nowadays can't stick with abstinence or even calendar technique, where they can have sex few days after a menstruation of a woman.
ASIANBOYZPRODUCTION 11 months ago
@ASIANBOYZPRODUCTION It is a very personal choice, natural contraception (such as the calendar technique) is I believe a better choice than other methods. Although I still don't agree with this method, if birth control is a must, this natural way is much better than others in my opinion.
suey4040 11 months ago
@suey4040 Agree, but very few know how to do this that's why most of them ends up using condoms or pills. I think it's also about business because companies selling those products make money by rampant advertising from TV to internet.
We also need to put in mind that using condoms are just a way from stopping the "Sperm" from flowing into you know. Thus, making it impossible from both sides to create a new organism in any form, just stopping it.
ASIANBOYZPRODUCTION 11 months ago
@ASIANBOYZPRODUCTION Stopping AND killing the sperm. When one has sexual intercourse, he or she should remember that the purpose of it IS, in fact, to procreate.
suey4040 11 months ago
@suey4040 Well, Men release sperm naturally to release heat in their body or keeping blood circulation in the penis and not only to impregnate women. Men can do this by few other methods like wet dreams or masturbation, which is natural for men, so I don't see the point why using condoms is not good. And women release it from menstrual period.
In the other hand, It might be Psychologically true when we think of it as creating a baby, mainly because of our religious background.
ASIANBOYZPRODUCTION 11 months ago
@ASIANBOYZPRODUCTION These are all true, and again, natural. Condoms are not natural. Do you see the point I'm trying to make in that some things can be natural and unprevented whereas other things are unnatural and made to prevent a life from being formed?
suey4040 11 months ago
@suey4040 Yeah, I get your point.
ASIANBOYZPRODUCTION 11 months ago
Just what we need more Gov dictating our personal and private lives.
HowardSternn 11 months ago
@HowardSternn This has nothing to do with the government. It's my personal opinion.
suey4040 11 months ago 2
@HowardSternn Welcome to the age of Obamacare.
CrankyCatholic 11 months ago