Palestinian Disinformation (Part 1 of 2)

[naturaljunkie]

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Why UN have supported this unfair agreement? USSR / USA / UK would certanly get some profit. And they sure did. If the rich/larger part of the "promised land" was given to arabs, they would had trade with another arabs. But have a quick look to the WWII aftermatch, and you'll see the main commercial partners of Israel.

Don't let you be fooled. Is there a chance (and i believe so) that all these conflicts had a commercial intent, covered with peoples beliefs and suffering to hide it. Peace

[naturaljunkie]

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- The land offered to Israel was composed by about 47% of arabs, while the land offered to the arabs was composed by 1,2% of jews.

- What the possibilities of the arabs in region accept these unfair terms? None. So, the 1948 Arab–Israeli War begins...

- Thousands of arabs flee from jew side, and Israel begin to run the PLAN DALET, passing from defensive to offensive instance. The goal was occupy and garrison/expel and destroy the Arab villages along and behind the front lines.

[naturaljunkie]

I started to watch your vids, but found them too superficial and not watched it full lenght. There is no point in showing media reality distortions, cos they do it in both sides. The question is more deep and ancient, but let's, at this moment, talk about the facts After WWII:

-Besides composing the ethnical minority in the region (in the proportion of 1 jew for 3 arabs), to Israel was given a larger territory (56% - to the arabs, 42% of the land, and UN would control Jerusalem area - 2%)...

[KDidesxo]

Listen, I don't disagree with people exaggerating the suffering of Arabs in rare cases. But the facts speak for themselves no matter how you try to alter them. The fact that you make excuses for such vile acts committed by these "Jews" makes me want to vomit. It is the equivalent of a white supremest trying to legitimize the horror of the Holocaust. And it's funny how Israel acts like Nazi Germany. :(

Both sides are guilty of violence, some (Israel) more than others.

[yahyaazak]

so, all these arabs are fakin it? so yah. they would just kill thier own people. makes since.

what an idiot

[sabtubet]

A palestinian can not even live in the luxury that you are living in. Jews are afraid to get shot sitting in a restaurant or a park. I dont think the arabs/christians even get that luxury. THere is only desert for them. n

[omsaj891]

580 Israelis killed by Palestinians including security forces "including 39 minors"

its unfortunate for both sides even though there were more Palestinians killed that doesnt mean that their right

both sides are wrong the fighting must stop from both side and the borders should be set back to the UN borders of 1967

[omsaj891]

true there is fabrication from both sides and probably more from the Palestinian side

but people dont depend on Palestinian news!! there are independent and western reporters who personally go there and confirm the persecution of the Palestinians even israelis have casualties and it is unfortunate but the civilian Palestinian casualties are much more!! 4791 including militia and 952 of them were kids! killed by israelis

[abdishtar]

At first i thought you were another BS poster, but you make sense and are completely right. The problem is that people will more likely fall to a big lie than a small one.

While i do believe that Israel is doing alot wrong with regard to its occupation of the west bank and the building of settlements, I do think that you are absolutely right, they are inflating it. But its the same sorts of people that deny that the holocaust happens, so it suprises me that people give Hamaz credibility.

[beefygoblin]

The international media is owned by profiters. Any contraversy which sells, regardless of factuality, will be sold to you. Provided that it doesn't hurt future sales...it's a fine line.

This fact is exploited constantly by political groups, corporations,ect. You know,pretty much anyone with an agenda.

You realy have to research the hell out of any story before buying into it. How sad is that?

[Mechelle68]

Whoa.....wait a minute. The CBS page, which at the top is dated 2005 (even though there's also a link to Tiger Wood's car crash the other morning on there too) and gives a video footage of a truck exploding. It states in the article that 7-15 people were killed, which matches the actual video. The video shows nothing that this photo underneath it does. From the video where the actual photo comes from, it's obvious that FAR more than 19 people were killed.

[Mechelle68]

The CBS video does not match the "2009" video. The CBS video does not match the photo. The casualties are far from similar. The photo DOES come from the video claimed to be 2009, but not the one CBS posted in 2005. And considering there are current events posted on a page dated 2005.......?

[Mechelle68]

It's easy for anyone to say "My information comes from an anonymous source who wishes to remain so d/t perceived threats or fear."

It makes it too easy for anyone to make up anything. Any information that gives an anonymous source, I take with a grain of salt.

[Mechelle68]

I also found it interesting there was a link on the same page of one of the sources you gave in the sidebar, the link was titled, "UN rejects IDF claim Gaza millitants operated from bombed-out school" and goes on to show a video that the IDF pushed as propoganda to justify doing so, when the events in the video actually had no connection to it, according to the UN. IDF fabrication, ahoy.

Truth is always the first casualty of war.

[Mechelle68]

Also, on the "video hoax" link, you can see where the video was posted as happening in 2009. Yet, there is no evidence offered showing that the video was actually shot in 2005. Perhaps you can provide a link, (other than a blogger simply saying so NOW, that it was an old video) showing the video with an actual time-stamp of 2005? That would be helpful.

[Mechelle68]

Never mind, after tracing a myriad of sources, I found the CBS photo with the actual time stamp.

[davaidavai8]

honestly speaking, u somewhat start to impress me with your replys. i chose to ignore u long ago.

conclude on your comment. use arabian style/aproach/signature, u are part of that whole dirt, act like palestine/ retaliate like palestine/ etc etc. u become just like palestine.. and the fact that jews and palestine are the center of the world blood pool.. u guys really not helping much when u do shit that resembles palestinians

[biped19]

His argument at time is a fallacy because he is citing sources within the Jewish state. This is absurd.

This is the same game apologists/complicit murderers play with the 9/11 manifesto/NIST about Sept. 11th.

Also: "simply taking Palestinians at there word." As if the US government does not take Israeli information at "its word."

I hate to break it to this zionist, but this "information" comes from independent outside sources within the apartheid state of Israhell.

Welcome to 1984 everyone.

[Tom101229]

You should read "Allegory of the Cave."

It is about people perceive the world around them.

Sincerely, your information is completed biased as though you cannot accept anything from the Israeli side at all. Such hatred is clearly blinding your ability to perceive reality.

Can you defend your argument that hatred allows people to see things more clearly than those who don't?

Properly defend this argument of yours and I will re-tract what I have said for the Palestinian Cause.

[biped19]

Already read it a few times.

I cannot accept "sources" from an enemy theocratic state. Philosophy has nothing to do with it. Acceptance of another perspective is dependent on the quality of the source. In the case with Israel, the source is simply, and historically, not credible. What you perceive as insular thought is instead epistemological. Questioning Israel is not a thought crime.

[Tom101229]

You are being irrational just now.

First of all, there is no enemy state.

The only enemy you have is your hate. Hate is the enemy of man kind. it is what makes people kill each other. And the sooner you realize that, the sooner you can get on with your life without feeling hollow and insignificant.

[biped19]

"The USS Liberty." Now go away.

Btw, thank you for your projection. I'm so glad that Israeli Zionists can read minds and look into souls. Unfortunately, that have a problem looking at their own reflection. Don't you have a Palestinian to subjugate.

Your next argumentative move: Labeling me an "Anti-Semite."

[Tom101229]

"USS Liberty?"

"Now go away?" LOL!

"I'm so glad that israeli Zionist can read mind and look into souls."

And I'm so glad you disgusting retards are able to mislabel everyone as a zionist who disagrees with your views and beliefs. You must be very proud of yourself further increasing the number of ZIonists there are in this world well beyond their true numbers. Congradulations. May the Zionists smile upon you and your noble work of increasing their membership.

[Tom101229]

Biped19 do yourself a favor and read "Allegory of the Cave." Let your mind be educated by something that doesn't involve something as ugly and disgusting as hate.

"Don't you have a Palestinian to subjugate."

I am a Palestinian. My mother was born in Hebron as a Christian Palestinian.

[biped19]

And I told you I already studied it already. You can drop the I'm more "educated than you" pretense. It is not working.

Your not a Palestinian, you can stop using that argumentative trick. In fact I am willing to bet you are a member of the internet IDF.

Sorry pal, the "hate" is all on your side. You simply do not like to be questioned. The facts speak for themselves.

If you are a Palestinian, which I am willing to bet you are not, then you have a bad case of Stockholm Syndrome.

[Tom101229]

"Your not a Palestinian, you can stop using that argumentative trick. In fact I am willing to bet you are a member of the internet IDF."

That is my word versus your word. You don't know anything about me. So how can you argue that I'm not Palestinian?

"Sorry pal, the 'hate' is all on your side."

So you are telling me that you don't hate Zionism? It is sad when people have to lie to get themselves up when they've been struck down.

How long will keep playing this charade?

[100clipak]

fuck zionists..... end of story

[davaidavai8]

and now that i state all these opinions and facts..

instead of understandign them, instead of investigating my claims..

u just simply gona call me a jew hater..

and that typical..

u say something against jews, hm u automaticly become jew hater.

lol.. thin skinned.

[davaidavai8]

but then hmm wait ohh man.. didnt God said samething about this long agoa..

When Jacob was born,, your father? He is your father isnt he? Israel is Jacob, am I correct?

who was holding to jacob foot? What did God said about that?

that is why u guys always go at it.. but there is no reason. why u should lure other nations in your blood thirsty love affair, Getting involved with israel is like get your hands dirty in blood.

[davaidavai8]

all nations have beliefs and religions..all nations have neighburs.. but

palestine and Isreal, fuck. .blood spill after blood spill..

[Tom101229]

Well it is Pan-Arabism. You see the same thing is going on in Kabylie in Algeria and in Darfur, but in reverse of who has the power and who does not.

I don't want to sound racist, but Arabs are manipulating everything to their advantage. They did so with Sudan and with Algeria. You don't even know that there was a genocide that took place in Algeria, but Arabs are so good at covering up their tracks. And no this isn't Zionist information, information about Kabylie comes from Kabylie.

[davaidavai8]

u say media dont favor jews, or "not biased".

How many jews are in holiwood?

How many jews are in news media.?

How many . .can you provide that data?

I know it im just asking you, since u are Israely..

I dont hate israel with bad hate. I look at signs and symptoms I look at both sides.

I hate favoritism. Isreal thrives on that favortism.. u can see it everywhere.

Why u dont see US and mexico go at it?

Why u dont see france and Itally go at it.?

[Tom101229]

Fox is the largest conservative American TV news station and you are telling me it is runned by Jews.

Well lets see who runs Fox.

Fox News is runned by News Corporation, which is runned by Rupert Murdoch, Chase Carey, David DeVoe, Lawrence Jacobs, and James Murdoch.

Rupert Murdoch is an Australian Christian with some remote Jewish ancestry, which shouldn't be a shock. And yet we deem Murdoch Zionist even with his goons tell Jews to turn Christian to save themselves. That's ZIonist?

[Tom101229]

How about we argue that News Corporation is actually runned by a bunch of Evangelican Pricks who have no true respect or regard for the well being of Israel (which makes them not Zionists), but simply support the existence of Israel for their own Christian Agenda. They don't care if Israel is Jewish, Muslim, or Christian, because they sincerely believe the Jews will be wiped out by Jesus and the world will become wholly Christian.

And we should regard such people as Zionists?

[davaidavai8]

You are not a fair nation..

u never were. u have a rich history of coruption.. and here is the thing.

I know so as the rest of nations have their dark spots..

but which nation keeps spilling blood? huh?

which nation keeps luring other nations into wars?

its not rocket science..

[davaidavai8]

Which is america. it says. .'im exhausted of holding u by the hand" and there will be a day. Isreal will stand alone.

UN is not doing jack shit in israel they are using america, so they dont have to get their hands dirty. america bails, UN will not mess either..

THAT DAY is coming.. and what are u doing about it Isreal. U are a israely arnt u?

So you continue to talk crack about Palestine.

Let me tell you something

Isreal is no different then palestine.. Isreal just has bigtoys

[BraveIDF]

YOU HEARD THAT " IDF had not hit that school"

finally someone who know the truth.. thanx mate =)

[davaidavai8]

When i found out about China uniting with Russia, and bam Iran.. quicking it put the puzzell together of what it says in the bible. Again, bible comes to reality again!

and what it says about these 3kings at the end of time. which is our time.. is that they will attack Isreal.

Now who attacks isreal when its sucking on americas titty. hmm but low and behold america is running out of milk.

this it will make another place in the bible come true. and that is. King of the west which is am

[davaidavai8]

as a father, u will do something about it.

and as a father with beliefe and religion will develop strong movement..

u deprive a nation it will be agrivating.

u dont feed a dog, it will attack..

u keep pinching a guy in his back, he will sock u in the face..

u retaliate? retaliation bring more retaliation? how many more houndreds of years do u need to understand that Isreal. How long u gona continue tu suck US titty..!! how long..

[davaidavai8]

It makes sense, because whats written long ago, is seen today and for many years..

u know,, why palestine is held worser then a russian prison camp huh? why?

what have u done? to promote healing and growth in palestine. where is your efforts in that.?

but here is what we hear? Isreal retaliated, palestine retaliated, israel retaliated again. palestine, then say fuck with that.. .. then israel, drains them resources makes their life misrable.

Well, psych 101 if your child is dying

[davaidavai8]

How about this for debate.

U got nuces, u got deplomacy, u got democracy, u got every resource then your palestine.. and yet..

houndreds of years go by and every nation, if it hears about israel its always about bloodshed..

Really.. then it doesnt take so much then to open the book that isreal claim as their God, funny they are the ones crucified him.

in that book God himself, claims that Jacobs sons.. are thirstry for blood and coruption..

wow.. God's statement makes allot sense

[davaidavai8]

Since u are a jew, why dont u do a peace on how many cases did Isreal fucked other nations. Why dont you do a peace on how Israel is MILKING america..

then it would be alot more interesting to listen to you and your rambling..

Why dont u state some facts on how much MONEY, Weapons, anD resources do the jews take from america anually, and how bout this..

HOW MANY JEWS ARE THEIR IN CONGRESS.?

[davaidavai8]

are you gona scream antimsementic now?!!1

huh? Jews do own media.. common fold are not blind.. u know..

[davaidavai8]

mbrown, so lets see here.. U are a Jew. hmm and u spend your time "Disinformation of Palestine" hmm and you dont spend time, of recorded. newmerous recorded, disinformation.. or straight up brainwash.

So lets see, u spend your time talking about other nation its your enemy nation. hmm and what makes u think that i dont belive you are fair.

CUZ your nOT.

Jews, quick with words. quick with brainwash..

and Jew DO drain nations.. in this its milking US.

[evamikaela]

Sound arguments will well-documented sources. Thanks! now I have a concise presentation to direct my opponents to...

[warmperson2007]

Excellent presentation!

Palestinian Arabs have always had a tendency to exagerate. In arabic they say in this case that they "cut their hand to be able to beg on it".

By the way, are you related to Anton La Guardia? You look a bit like him. I have just finished reading his book "war without end" and I think it's brilliant.

[mbrown0315]

No relation to Anton La Guardia here.

Thanks for the compliment.

[24celestemurphy]

@mbrown0315 how do you an isreali supporter expalin ariel sharons comments to oz amos for les voix d'isreal in 1983 saying its a jews right to rape palestinian women as they are the jews' slaves, that he vows to burn every palestinian child born in the area and that he was a citizen of isreal instead of its "leader" if he saw a palestinian on the street he would burn them. Now if these are the views of the then leader of the country what are the views of the soilders or the radical zionists

[ListenLiberal]

Since we are all disinterested truth seekers and would never, EVER amend the historical record for mere polemical effect, nobody will object to me pointing out that Benny Morris found that gang-rape was indeed a terrorizing tactic used by Zionist militias in the late 1940s (if not at Deir Yassin)... and that the recent UN school incident involved shells falling right in front of the school, blowing a crowd of Palestinians, who were cramming into a supposed safe-haven, to smithereens.

[mbrown0315]

Anti Semite!

I'm a big fan of Morris. He paints a very candid, stern picture of the 1948 war, making it clear that the Israelis faced a very simple reality: ethnically cleanse a hostile population during wartime (the universal, tried and true method) or face genocide (and no, that's not an exaggeration). He does, of course, make it clear that many of the 20 or so massacres during the '48 war took place in villages being used to fire on convoys and troops (as was the case with Deir Yassin).

[ListenLiberal]

You are Morris-esque to the bone, although perhaps a shade to his "left" on Israel's bizarre political spectrum. One the one hand, you discard the heroic Zionist historical narrative. On the other hand, you conveniently conclude (in a very Morris-like spirit of knowing, world-weary fatalism) that the historical developments we are living with in the fucked-up present were overdetermined and inescapable, As for the massacres, the line between warfare and terror is tricky, as the Palestinians know

[mbrown0315]

Yeah, pretty much.

[mbrown0315]

He also makes it clear, despite his unflinching and honest portrayal of the war, that the 800 or so Palestinians killed in the massacres (and these weren't just massacres of civilians) is nothing compared to Bosnia, Stalingrad, and plenty of lovely atrocities committed by Arabs (and thats keeping it somewhat contemporarynever mind pre-20th century).

[ListenLiberal]

Oh, OK. Not so bad then in the grand scheme of things. Quit picking on Israel, guys!

[mbrown0315]

Your sarcasm would be well taken if it weren't for the atmosphere in which I make my points. The claim is that Israel is the true embodiment of evil. Exaggerated? Tell it to the people with whom I debate. Speaking of Morris, he says that while there was a "general atmosphere of transfer" among officers in the Hagana, transfer was not an official policy. Of course, other New Historians disagree, and probably with justification. I think I fit more into Shlomo Ben Ami's camp than Morris'.

[mbrown0315]

As for rape, yes, he talks about rape, but I don't know about referring to it as a "tactic." Ben Gurion might have communicated the need for transfer in certain areas, but I don't think I would call rape a policy.

[ListenLiberal]

As a very vulgar functionalist, I'm not sure I make a distinction between between behavior that results from "bad apples" and behavior that results from the directives of remote authorities. Of course, I still have a secret socialist crush on Ben Gurion so I hope he "didn't know." He's a good man! I know I can change him!

[mbrown0315]

You can't make the distinction when assessing pure tragedy. You can (and should) when judging an ideology and movement.

[mbrown0315]

Anyway, Morris thesis basically boils down to this: YesSaliha, Lod and Dawayima were terrible, and if they hadnt happened, wed be mourning the atrocities of Tel Aviv, West Jerusalem and Netanya. Because the Arabs lost and these events never took place, we can now relish the good/evil portrayal that arises.

[ListenLiberal]

Perhaps we could convene a hypothetical criminal tribunal to investigate these hypothetical crimes?

[mbrown0315]

I'll clarify my point in an e-mail.

[mbrown0315]

As for the UN school Im still waiting for the final verdict here. First the UN insists there were no Hamas militants in the school, then they acknowledge that the IDF didnt hit the school and that witnesses spoke of Hamas militants operating among the crowd. IDF says there were actually 12 killed in the incident, most of whom were militants and releases names of some of the Hamas militants killed in the incident.

[mbrown0315]

The UNRWA gets its numbers from Palestinian sources, which in my opinion are (at most) no more credible than the IDF. Either way, its foolish to argue that the IDF just felt like spending some ordinance on harmless civilians.

Anyway, the trend of exaggeration holds, and we (never mind official governmental organizations) would benefit from a grain of salt.

[mbrown0315]

Pardon the lack of punctuation. It comes with copying and pasting.

[ListenLiberal]

I think I can forgive you ... and you know I only mean well when I attack you.

[ListenLiberal]

Fine, a settlement of gun-toting warrior-frummies and their many, many children is now growing in my brain.

[mbrown0315]

It's my pleasure to be your gateway drug.

[OBZ]

This is really important info. Is it alright if I post this video on facebook?

[mbrown0315]

Go for it.

[ListenLiberal]

This is a really important hasbara burrito. Is it alright if I eat this with pico de gallo?

[mbrown0315]

Haha, I was totally waiting for ListenLiberal to chime in with the hasbara comment. You know you can't get enough. Stop resisting, subscribe, and soak up the propaganda.