@cillantro Also, youtube is blocked in China, so a majority of these trolls are perhaps some strange fobs lacking a social life, Chinese ethnics from different countries or "not even Chinese". Actually, some trolls posting in Chinese sites were outed as foreigners and just people who wanted to stir things up which is often the case whenever China vs Japan is involved.
I think Japanese suffer even more from posers pretending to be racist Japanese trolls.
@sweetbitterspicy Well despite the youtube block,many chinese are savvy enough to circumnet it via proxy servers/networks....its a way to clim over or tunnel under the great internet wall of china so to speak.So majority of those people are chinese.Maybe some were foreigners too.But the majority are chinese,google translate is our best friend you know ! The point is these people are brainwashed by the commies who stil control most of the PRC.That is why defectors from NK are re-educated in SK!!!
@cillantro Prior to the European colonization and industrial revolution, Eastern civilizations were considered by many to be the most advanced and the most complex.
"Anthropoligists have studied the skull structures modern humans of different races including the extinct hominids. The least evolved humans living today were found out to be the Australian aborigines. Followed by the Negroids, then Caucasians, then lastly the Mongoloids who are at the top of the evolutionary ladder."
@cillantro Yes, it's true that many Chinese are quite capable of bypassing the great wall, but the average Chinese wouldn't. They prefer to stick to their own websites like youku, tudou and weibo. I do agree that there are Chinese posting offensive stuff, towards Japanese, but compared to the sites mentioned, it is miniscule. Similarly, the number of "Japanese" posting crap about Chinese is even fewer (most are in fact not even Japanese but wannabes or anti-Japan/Chinese people)
@cillantro Ultimately, you are correct. China does have a problem, particularly with government endorsed trolls. But the problem with youtube is that there are very few logical and unbiased Chinese to counter these trolls. Most overseas Chinese are fond of Japanese but don't bother w racist trolling. In typical Chinese sites, for every offensive comment, 5 more would hammer it down, without outsider presence. Nationalistic websites are a different matter, and every country has these.
Chinese rarely demeanor the Japanese. The Koreans are very different from the Japanese. In many ways, Chinese are more similar to Japanese than Koreans.
Its funny how chinese keep demeaning Koreans and Japanese as being unoriginal.Chinese culture,Buddhism(upon which confucius based his thoughs,even he admitted he was just reflecting on the thoughts of the elders)is almost entirely from India what with Chinese travellers and monks visiting India-AKATianzhu,western paradise etc.That is what chinese culture is based upon,Indian techings.So by the yardstick some chinese members here apply to Koreans and Japanese,there are no chinese philosophers too
@cillantro i don't think it is that simple. while there were things that the chinese had the idea from the indians like buddhism, there must be original things the chinese came up by themselves. these can be seen from the rich cultures and inventions the chinese have.
@cillantro while i don't really like the action of demeaning or something, we need to admit the chinese influenced japanese and korean cultures by very much. the food, games, sports, buildings, musical instruments are very similar. but then again, if we are actually originate from one person (or a pair to be more logical) then spread to the world, then we can't give credits to the chinese only. (i'm talking about china-japan-korea). it is because we are far relatives. ctd.....
@kickmyask82 You really believe humans spread from just a pair?hmmm...anyways I do agree that people did things on their own.After China got buddhism from India,in a thousand years,India itself lost buddhism coz of NW India(entirely later) being oppressed by barbarian moslem hordes who destroyed Nalanda university.Then the SEasians,Japanese,Chinese,Koreans kept continuity and further developed buddhism.Shinto,heathen and chinese tribal religions influenced buddhism in Japan,Korean & China.......
@kickmyask82 so similarly the koreans and Japanese and Chinese influenced each other and learnt from each other.Indians were cut off from our asian brothers thanks to muslim barbarians cultural blockade.The Koreans have invented lots independently like Tekwondo,Turtle ships,ondol heating,Hwacha rocket launchers,MP3 players and so on.The Japanese are very inventive too.So i believe all asians like us should work together and bring wealth and peace to the continent rather than infighting.Go Asia!!
@cillantro i agree that we should not fight. if we want to say who is more superior than who, then there is no clear measurement tool as in to conclude who is superior than we have to UNDERSTAND the WHOLE nations. but again, is that even possible? the world has very long history and it is not that each nation develops itself on its own without having at all contact to each other. that's why i dont like the west,they keep saying they are superior but i doubt they know Asia even just by 10% of it.
@kickmyask82 Westerns don't know shit about asia.They just like to gloss over their own glories and civilisation.It is a known fact that there was indus valley civilisation and other eastern civilisations when westerners were hunter gatherer nomads.LOL.They don't like to talk about it much ;) I believe all nations have our strengths and we should work together for our betterment.They talk only about greece and rome!Anyway,we should work at the Asian level,pool all the combined strengths together
@cillantro true.. but the sad thing is a lot of asians, because they are usually fed with the glories of the west in media, school, etc, feel inferior. what a sad thing... :( i hope that would change ASAP.
@kickmyask82 Yeah that is the case even in developed nations like South korea,Japan,Singapore etc,leave alone developing ones like India and China.I think all inferiority starts in school textbooks and we have to teach kids all about their civilisation and those of their neighbours.Indians kids should learn about Koreans,Chinese,Japanese,SE-Asia and vice versa.Anyway kids don't use what they learn in school so we might as well inculcate pride and values in them,rather than scienc and math alone.
@lcddg Well first off yellows...is not really a race,unless ofcourse you have been cut off from the world living in a cave or some backward shithole like say China or the phillipines.Next,Indians built planned awesome cities 5000 years back...even mesopotamia can't beat that.Sorry you feel so much for them but their mud race is better than yours anyday,anyway(whichever race you belong to!)!What is pinoy culture but that of Spain 300 years back?
@cillantro Don't really know why you brought up China as a backward shithole lol.
Race is an obsolete term when used in everyday context.
From an anthropomorphic POV, such classifications are useful. In such a case, Chinese, Japanese and Koreans are just some of the people making up the racial group of mongoloid which even includes Inuit-Yupiit and Thais.
I'd disagree with Chinese demeaning Japanese often. Some do, most don't. They do need to learn more about Koreans though.
@sweetbitterspicy yeah and the funny thing about chinese demeaning Japs is that most of their FDI is from Japan!even Korea invests a LOT of money into china.These people are a sort of floating people I guess....its a pity that they do not get to enjoy the priviledges of Korean citizenship/nationality despite belonging to that ethnicity.As someone said in a previous comment,this may have been land that belonged to the Joseon dynasty and was lost to the chinese later when they were in civil strife
@cillantro Chinese nationalists are retarded, but I guess such people exist anywhere in the world. The world would be better without nationalists. I wouldn't worry too much about them. Such people are usually confined in their own little world, and only know China, Japan and US. I have learned that the vast majority of Chinese are thankfully not like that.
Japan is actually a country that is highly respected and relatable among Chinese. So close yet so far. Being related is strange.
@sweetbitterspicy The problme with China is the CCP...it is also its main advantage considering they are development minded.But maybe it is the chinese people who are a developmental race and not the ccp?!Who knows?
Anyways you are being very kind in your comments about me.Personally I wish I was from a country in the east(like Korea,Japan) where people actually know they are from one ethnicity(unlike Indians) and were'nt so alieanated from each other.Homogeneity helps big time!
@cillantro I agree. I'm very honored and humbled by your admiration of us, the East Asians and the Chinese people. To be honest, I think the Indians are an incredibly esteemed people as well. Long ago, we traveled to the West to learn from you. One of our most famous stories Xi You Ji is about just that. It's also very popular in Japan, they created an adaptation called Saiyuki.
For me, India is more than a land of beautiful temples and exotic flavors. It's a haven of great thinkers
@sweetbitterspicy That was really uplifting to hear it from you.But remember India has not been the same for the past 500-700 years and will never reach the pinnacle of liberalism,wealth,cultural richness and spirituality for which it was know in the time period the "journey to the west" was written.Not a single modern Indian university can match Nalanda,Taxila or even one of the lesser known ones of ancient India.Just the way ancient Rome/Greece has been destoryed forever so is ancient India...
@cillantro Japan is the largest provider of humanitarian aid China. This is a fact known by not enough Chinese. Despite some bad online testimonies, my personal experience with Japanese (family members and friends) has been excellent. Even on the internet, I've seen some of the most encouraging and nicest words from Japanese people in spite of our differences. Japan's earthquake disasters and our own made many Chinese view Japanese in a different light and do a needed soul searching.
@sweetbitterspicy What is interesting is the asians are very tied to their lands! Almost all the Japanese americans are returning back home and also a huge number of Taiwanese are going back.You never see this amongst british/irish americans...could be because they are the majority in the US and so do not feel left out/discriminated against.BTW are you female?Because I have a feeling an asian american women won't feel so discriminated against(as they are beautiful) but the guys would abroad.hmmm
@cillantro Hey, sorry about that. Yes, you are right, I'm Chinese American male. Asian American females fare much better than males (yes, they are very beautiful, maybe too beautiful to be real ;p) Don't worry, we face discrimination on a daily basis but sometimes, stereotypes can be very positive. I think we've done so much for the countries we live in but what I meant was something Bruce Lee's mother in law said, "You are an American citizen, but you'll never be American!"
@sweetbitterspicy Its funny americans/aussies/cannucks say that.99% of americans can NEVER be american,native american blood is nearly absent and they are the true americans(who are related to asians)What I meant about asian women being beautiful though was not restricted to asian american alone but all asian females this includes those in asia first and foremost..I see some Korean girls in my city/hometown and I am like WOW!Most Indians are whitewashed but I like asian girls!an acquired taste;)
@cillantro Indian girls are extremely beautiful too. In fact, Indians and the area around India are some of the most beautiful women in the world. I think they tie with Venezuelans in beauty. But there's just something about oriental beauty that is unique. I agree with you, for most it is an acquired taste and it's just Asians that are a little different. Most Asians are into the cutesy type (strong influence from Japan, Asia's leader and trend setter esp in pop culture)
@sweetbitterspicy Indian girls are some of the most beautiful women around..agreed,but you know I feel more at ease with east asian/oriental women.Must bethe neoteny,but most of them get me real hard,so it can't be that;)I guess they know how to treat a man.I am not a chauvanist,au contraire I am a pro feminist guy.My theory is that women in male dominated cultures treat men better.Indian girls of a certain class and most Indian women for that matter are totally spoilt by the pro female law here
@cillantro Wow, I'm quite flattered and happy you find oriental women attractive. To be honest, I wasn't expecting that and it was a pleasant surprise. I'm too used to hearing the ugly, slit eyed, flat faced monolook mongoloid description by mainly white people. Of course is very far from the truth. The truth is Asians are very attractive for any race, and you just have to browse a few videos and the comments to find out that Asian females are beautiful.
@sweetbitterspicy The ones saying asian femmes are ugly,slip eyed mongols are so totally out of touch with the times.Happens when you live in a country with the level of individuality that the USA has(its big + point)and also one with so low a population density.It is very fashionable amongst white people to be seen with a asian female,unfortunately not so for asian men IMHO.I don't think you should really go by the models you see in photos/videos.Any visitor to asia/knows asian women loves them
@cillantro So true. These days, Asian women seem to be in. Most people seem to think Asians are the most beautiful women, Caucasians like the Japanese look while other Asians also are in favor of the Koreans. In fact, Korean men are doing really well in Asia and East Asian men have the highest interracial marriage rates with white women compared to any other minority group.
But there's no denying that Asian women do infact love Caucasian. Perhaps it's the prestige, Hollywood or looks
@sweetbitterspicy I really don't know what prestige there is in marrying a caucasian unless he is from some "cool" country like Monaco,Switzerland,Luxembourg and so on.People from USA/UK are normal.I think most asian girls marry whites to escape the conditions in their country,in the case of SEasians/chinese and other asian girls from developing countries,they view whites as passports-korean/japanese/taiwanese and other asian women from developed countries marry whites to escape social pressure
@sweetbitterspicy Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.Most men,Indians included love Indian,white,arabic,Latin women.Asians and africans do not figure on their radar.This is the traditional concept of beauty,symmetry.Unfortunately the biggest lovers of whites/white features are asian women themselves.I read in some poll that asian-american women marry most outside their race,esp chinese and korean women.Sad but true.I knew this korean girl and she was a bit biased to whites,although nice to all
@cillantro If you look at Beauty Pageants and international top models, people like the Caucasoid look more. Indians, Middle Easterners, Pakistanis fit into this category too although I personally think they have a distinct, exotic beauty when compared to the West and North Europeans. Interracial marriage rates in countries like America are a statistical proportion and bring along the problems associated with it. For instance, Asians make up a very small percentage of the population
@cillantro Another thing that really surprised me is how many Asian Americans/Australians/Canadians perceive themselves as an inferior race to whites.
Here's a very interesting article from Rushton from the regarding differences in race.
lrainc . com / swtaboo / stalkers / jpr_rghrs . html
It's interesting because it seems to conform with other articles written by geneticists and anthropologists that mongoloids are the most extreme examples of pedomorphy among humans, eg. less hair
@sweetbitterspicy I don't know if juvenilization is the characterisation for advanced anthropological features/properties...what I do know is different people age at different rates.Whites for example age/mature quiet fast.Indians are somewhere inbetween,asian the other extreme(although Indians are technically asian too,I exclude them for practical reasons ;) )..so a race that ages slower can work longer/more and is thus more efficient through their life times.Explain new found east asian wealth
@cillantro And when one Asian marries a white American for instance, it would directly affect the percentage more than a race that constitutes a larger proportion of the population. A study in Canada discovered that Japanese Canadians esp females was the single group that was most likely to marry out, and Chinese were the East Asian ethnic least likely to marry out. This makes sense when you consider the population of Japanese Canadians and the difficulty in finding another Japanese.
@sweetbitterspicy Yeah and the fact that Japanese/Korean culture being very popular,esp the former gives them more options in marriage(both men and women)...lots of wapanese around in the USA and other places I guess!lol...you know someone out of china or Indian or Thailand(guys that is) would get less preferential treatment,in some cases even looked down upon.I personally am into Indian/latino/celtic/asian women(not in chronological order ofcourse ;) ) although I am afraid of Indian women TBH!!
@cillantro Needless to say, there were more Chinese then Koreans (2x) and Japanese (10x) in Canada, so it's easier for them to find another Chinese partner. VAST majority of intermarriage was among Japanese females and White Canadians. Indians were the ethnic minority least likely to marry out which is very impressive considering there are roughly about the same number of Indian Canadians as Chinese Canadians.
Marrying white people can be seen as beneficial for the children's welfare
@cillantro This is not to say Asians don't love white people. They do, Asian females slightly more than males. I personally have a thing for the Asian look, but have a soft spot for Asianized Caucasians (other Caucasians might label them weabos, who knows) so maybe I'm a little whitewashed too.
There were a few Japanese polls carried out among mostly women and sometimes men on whom their ideal lover/wife/husband/etc would be. Not surprisingly, in all of them, Caucasians dominated.
@cillantro There were even some polls where every country in the top 10 was a Caucasian one (US, Aus, France, Germany). White Americans were by FAR the most desired for both men and women. However, Japanese men would list Asian countries like Korea and China more than females, and other East Asians represented the second most desired group after Caucasians.
These polls of course took out Japanese men/women from the equation. Marriage statistics are very different of course.
@sweetbitterspicy ...cntd...I know in my own close family circles where many divorces are happening at unprecedented rates(for no fault of the guy's,really).Besides there is also problem with cross-caste marriages wherein if a upper caste guy marries a lower caste women and if there is a problem in their life,law views it from the prism of caste conflict(judges,courts,law in India is always biased towards so called backward castes.the lower the better),as an Brahmin this is another disadv for me
@cillantro It's quite heartening to see someone so attracted to Asians, I enjoyed your posts full of wit and wisdom rolled into one. I also got to learn some things about India and this information I probably will not get from any books. It seems life is fairly tough for Indian men, and I thought we had it bad lol. It's quite sad how society in countries always favor one group over the other. I'm neutral about feminism. Sometimes, I think women will be happier just being women.
@sweetbitterspicy Yeah well Indian/asian/insert-race women had it tough back in the old days.But that does'nt mean you can repeat the same for guys now.It is ultimately detrimental for society.You see,despite the fact that I am independently attracted to asian women/culture this kind of attitude from our govt and women/society in general has made take a vow that I will marry a asian women only for she will respect me,my parents and give me the good life I deserve.For some women,nothing is enough
@cillantro It's good to see a man who values family, taking care of the old folk, and women being women, and men being men. Yes, Asian women tend to be more respectful of men, it's ingrained into their culture, although things are changing these days. In Shanghai and maybe Guandong, traditionally, it's more of a matriachical society with women being more dominant. However, in Beijing and most other parts of China, it's the opposite and like most Asians, women tend to respect men more.
@cillantro It's good to see a man who values family, taking care of the old folk, and women being women, and men being men. Yes, Asian women tend to be more respectful of men, it's ingrained into their culture, although things are changing these days. In Shanghai and maybe Guandong, traditionally, it's more of a woman dominated society. However, in Beijing and most other parts of China, it's the opposite and like most Asians, women tend to respect men more.
@sweetbitterspicy I don't want my women to respect me more,I just don't want her to respect me any less.Equality is all I ask for.I personally find Celtic women( kelly Mcdonald for example) to be so charming!But I am afraid they,just like other White women are affected by the feminism virus the same way educated Indian women(increasing their uneducated sisters too!) are...asian women are bra burners too,but they have this aforementioned social pressure to conform to shinto/confuscian/Tao values!
@cillantro Speaking of divorce rates, you are right. East Asians have always been extremely group/family oriented people. Our old folks stay with us until the day they leave this world and things like filial piety and respect for elders is very important to us. It must have been passed down from the ice age, when closely knit families stayed together to bring down large prey such as the mammoth. Perhaps this is why ancestral honor and wallowing in the past is prevalent among us.
@cillantro But of course, things are changing with globalisation and all. I hope all of us can still preserve our own culture and especially for Chinese, I hope we don't lose ourselves entirely especially with materialistic pursuits and wanting the "American Dream". Our base character is humble, respectful of others and warm.
One thing I've noticed about East Asians in general is a common naivette, imaturity and trusting nature. Most of us believe that there is good in every person.
@cillantro Mongoloids have brains that develop slower than other races, and consequently mature and age slower especially females. It's both a good thing and a bad thing. To most outsiders, it just seems immature and embarrassing, but that's all part and parcel of being someone. Many Chinese are learning the hard way that to survive in this world, you need to be a more sly and conform to society. I think we all need to learn that the world is not our playground and a dangerous place.
@cillantro In fact, anthropologists have actually dispelled the Eurocentric views of superiority via research. Here's something I found from the wiki:
Richard Grossinger, at University of Maine at Portland, said "...advanced human development was pedomorphic rather than recapitulationary + accelerated"
"If juvenilization was the characteristic for advanced status, ...the Mongoloid races were more deeply fetalized in most respects and thus capable of the greatest development."
@sweetbitterspicy I really don't know about that evolutionary superiority conundrum of the Autraloid,Negroid,caucasoid,mongolioid order because logically speaking a group which has lived in organised societies/groups,with cities,policing and centralised governments for larger periods of time are ones that would be dumber generally speaking.The Reason being a city dweller would not be safer from tribal warfare,homicide etc due to policing and thereby even dumb ones would survive and pass genes...
@sweetbitterspicy contd...I also own a sweet house which is the hard work on my dad/mom and in the event of a divorce,the woman can take the home(courts again!)...all this makes the proposition of marriage in India/to an Indian a very comlicated proposal for me.Besides I am deeply in love with east asian/oriental women and also the culture in general...I am pretty sure,my child will have one of those blue spots you were talking about :0 LOL
If you don't believe me,check saveIndianfamily org...
@sweetbitterspicy contd...having had/still having a lovely family/extended family,I am in love with the institution of marriage and familial bonds.I feel east asian women are still holding onto the institution of family,although they are from aging,in some cases wealthy societies with smaller families.Yet they have family values if you know what I mean.My close friend's cousin married a Japanese women.I have never heard of India people married to Jap/Korean/Chinese/Taiwan women getting divorced!
@sweetbitterspicy contd...having had/still having a lovely family/extended family,I am in love with the institution of marriage and familial bonds.I feel east asian women are still holding onto the institution of family,although they are from aging,in some cases wealthy societies with smaller families.Yet they have family values if you know what I mean.My close friend's cousin married a Japanese women.I have never heard of India people married to Jap/Korean/Chinese/Taiwan women getting divorced!
@cillantro Either way, Asians have contributed so much in those countries, perhaps more than any other minority. As a proportion to the population, they have no equal in terms of notable people and heroes in those countries. However, can't say the same for Caucasians in Asian countries. The number of notable Caucasians is minimal.
Yes, when compared to the glorious past, both our countries appear weak. However, never lose hope. That's the basis of East Asian success.
@sweetbitterspicy sorry for my long discourse on the merits of asian women..LOL..back to topic,caucasians in most asian countries are just ESL english teachers..they are overrated.Period.The ones I do admire are the Swiss,Germans,Icelanders,Italians(very earthy and talented)....anglos saxons,French people etc are toooooo overrated.Not being racist or anything,just my 2 cents.Recently an Indian(Venky) won a physics noble in the USA...u see they give the right environment for great minds like this
@cillantro Lost as in the magic of shamanism. In fact, I feel other Chinese countries (not the PRC) are the only ones preserving shamanism (Taoism) of China. We call them the Wu and I think it's separate from the Tunguistic ones. Koreans and Japanese are closer to the Tungus than the Chinese, also one important fact is location. I think China served as a wall for Koreans and especially Japanese, so invaders would reach and influence China before reaching the other two.
@sweetbitterspicy IMHO feel the main loss of shamanism in China was due to Buddhism and later confuscianism.Chinese have always been more..practical than the others like Koreans and Japanese.This is why religion was'nt really a big crowd puller in ancient(or modern)china.Indians are the total extreme end of this spectrum with our total otherworldliness,when we were rich back in the good old days and when we are developing in modern times.Koreans are inbetween.Although evidence suggests otherwise
@cillantro However, I learned that even then the trolls are a definite minority. Most of them post on Chinese websites like weibo, tudou and youku far away from international eyes in Chinese (the only language most of these ignorants can speak). Many times, they are challenged by fellow Chinese who can't stand these morons. In a way, they mirror their Japanese counterparts, who post only in Japanese videos in Japanese. The important thing is that most of us are sick of these trolls.
@sweetbitterspicy contd....I believe christianity has caught on like a forest fire in Korea...22% are already affected with jesus madness.I am not against Christians are Islam or any of those.I just believe that these my god is the true god religions are operated like corporations.On a subscriber/profit/payout basis...one can say they are run like franchises.Just look and you will observe.Did you know that Hinduism/shamanism/Shinto has no conversion to it?Cultures need to be saved from others!!!
@cillantro Koreans are awesome. They are some of the warmest people I know. No one has a right to look down them. Truly sad to hear how these people are discriminated, I'm Asian American, so I know how it feels not to belong and be considered 2nd class citizen. That's the reason why overseas Asians are close.
Long ago, territories and people were very different than they are today. Korea definitely lost much territory but history and politics shouldn't affect our views of people.
@sweetbitterspicy I gather you are an american Chinese,right?Just FYI my favourite countries include Hong Kong,Macau,Taiwan(Formosa) etc....shows what the Chinese are capable of,given the right resources and environment to develop themselves.Very capable people the east asians!Cultural pedigree/background/continuity is a very often overlooked aspect in human development(materialistically) but I believe there is a strong corollation.I also feel china does'nt need humanitarian aid anymore but FDI!
@cillantro It's a shame that not many Chinese know about India. The fenqing (nationalist trolls) are some of the worst representatives of Chinese, and if you encounter them, I'll have to apologize for their ignorance and insolence. Those of us who are more into the different cultures of the world can appreciate the beauty that is India.
What China needs is people like Mahatma Gandhi. Or this man:
watch?v=-S74HuDIRa4
I'm afraid CCP and materialistic ambition has changed our culture.
@sweetbitterspicy You see,the shame is not that many Chinese/Asians know not much about India but that they hear all wrong info which is biased and not balanced.Most of it is from missionary/anti-Indian groups(which includes most Indians too).There are very few Indians who have a factual look and unbiased analysis of India,its culture,sensitivities,history.Such people are branded communal & outcasted in India.Acting like a goody two shoes is easy
@cillantro Thanks for the link to the video. Dr Swamy is truly a respectable man. Such forward thinking men are a rare sight to behold in any nation and very valuable to any country. If we had such a man in China, he would be very brave indeed.
Actually, 98 Indonesian Race Riots was a result of unemployment and political intrigue. The case where Chinese make up a fraction of the country's population but own a chunk of the country's wealth is one of the most common reasons why.
@sweetbitterspicy Well I don't know about China,but India needs much more Subramaniya Swami's.But this man would never have a political career considering he is brahmin and India is unjustifiably anti-brahmin.Anyways..China needs a Meiji,a Syngman Rhee,a Deng xiaoping..wait you had that last one!The next leap forward is NOT democracy.That can wait.India is suffering due to democracy.Never before has country so poor,diverse had democracy.India is an experiment gone wrong like Dr.Moreau's Island
@cillantro However, our relationship wasn't always like this. During the 80s relations were very warm and we both had very high opinions of the other. However, times have changed. However, I feel Korea deserves to have an affinity with Japan like 80s Sino-Japanese relations.
Perhaps one day, Hatoyama's vision along with WJB and LMB of an East Asian fraternity can finally materialize, one where we can work "hand-in-hand for the sustainable development of the world". Let peace prevail
@sweetbitterspicy ...contd...but tribal people would have to be smart to survie and pass their genes on...reasons include tribal warfare,endemics,forest animals and so on.Therefore according to the logic of Jared Diamond,author of "Guns,Germs and steel" the inuit of the arctic,aborigines of Australia,tribals of papua new guinea and ofcourse africans are generally capable of being more smarter than you me or some white/arab guy ;)
Sound logically factual to me too,does'nt it?Factually accurate..
@cillantro Look at China today, a society that has been relatively cut off from the rest of the world and in poverty/pollution would be performing in less than ideal conditions. Chinese living in US, Canada,Taiwan, Singapore, HK,UK, Australia do remarkably well. In fact, Chinese living in SEA countries almost always outperform the locals. If you look @ SK-NK, you'd see a pattern here. Japan is another (perhaps the best) testament of Mongoloid superiority.
@sweetbitterspicy Exactly,what we need is an asian union of mutual values,rather than mutual currency...we know how that one ended up ;)
This should be for free trade,common defence/security and greater harmony amongst the denizens of our great and ancient continent...besides this is going to be an asian century.Hope china learns from the past mistakes of others like Japan,germany and remain smart enough to merely enrich its people and keep off trouble.The world is a large place afterall!LOL
@cillantro Typo in my last post. Was meant to say WOMEN, despite the stereotype, we're not homosexual, :)
A pedomorphic civilization means that society is so advanced that it is able to get rid of unnecessary bulk and start using our head. Mongoloid females display more pedomorphy than any other human because they can afford to. The men were able to provide to their needs so that they didn't have to do hard physically demanding and dangerous duties like fighting and hunting.
@sweetbitterspicy Still most of the bulk in women is due to child rearing and other hormonal reasons...in most societies women literally sat on their arses and let men do all the work...right from ancient times to modern days.Only hunter gatherer/nomad women moved a bit more and that too was non-exciting.I guess diet/exercise/society plays a huge role in asian females being the way they are...but truth be told asian women(korean esp) have thunder thighs(I am not making fun,I am an admirer ;) )!!
@cillantro Eskimos are more outgoing and like meeting people. Curiosity is often a hallmark of cognitive ability. The Thule people (proto-Inuit) once faced off against the Dorset/Norse (vikings) and successfully outcompeted them, driving them off from the land. Inuit were far more advanced than the vikings, both were adept hunters, but the Inuit knew the land, were better armed and were more resourceful, cooperative than the Dorset.
@sweetbitterspicy I don't think just because the Inuits faced off vikings they could be considered smarter,as hunter gatherers they were bound to know every square kilometer of their land as opposed to the adventurous vikings.Vikings were farmers TBH not hunter-gatherers.Inuits were hunters and would have therefore been better at long range fighting.Nomadic barbarians had terrorised civilised people through millenia,before missiles nomads had a logistic advantage as they lived off the land u knw
@cillantro So where does this all tie in? It ties in a world where people of all color can work together for each other. It's ultimately a fulfilment of M.L King's dream.
I hope China prioritizes her peaceful rise. The first step is to free Tibet and East Turkestan. The next, most important step is to reconcile and form solid friendship with Japan (most important trade partner) and SK, and the rest of Asia. Finally, she should cooperate and act responsibly with the rest of the world.
@cillantro I feel the most important thing in Asia is for all our countries to coexist and live in peace. Japan is one step ahead of us here. You see, for Japan, her most important step is mending and strengthning relations with China, but sadly for China, she needs to seriously handle her own internal affairs first (Tibet, Xinjiang) before concentrating on her close neighbors.
For this reason, India and Japan deserve a seat in the UNSC and lead Asia. China is just not ready yet.
@sweetbitterspicy For Japan it is not just about mending relationship with China,they already have a very good working relationship.Did you know,only Japanese citizens are allowed into the chinese mainland visa free?Chinese see Yen in the Japanese not zen;)
The Japanese need to work on mending relations with the Koreans who were more affected by the Japanese occupation than China.Take the issue of comfort women,the formation of North/South korea(part of american/commie troublemaking) and so on!
@sweetbitterspicy I thought that user was a chinese,thats why I brought this china is a shithole thing up...don't take it personally.I have goodwill for all the people of asia and in a broader context all the people of the world.cheers
@cillantro No offense done, I was merely curious. I read what he typed and well, what goes around comes around. While he was correct that Chinese, Japanese and Koreans are racially and culturally more linked to each other than any other people in the world, Indians are definitely not "mud race".
I read your earlier discussion (about inferiority complex) and also your blog and you strike me as being intelligent and interesting to talk to. Wished I could write and think as well as you.
@sweetbitterspicy I agree Chinese,Koreans,Vietnamese etc may be related to each other ethnically/culturally but I am sceptical about the Japanese.The reason I say this is because the invading nomadic foresters of central asia entered China and Korea too.There must have been a LOT of genetic splicing with them(mongols) I think.But as we know Ghengis khan and later Kublai too failed in their invasion of Japan,thanks to a storm called the..kamikaze!Therefore the Japs are closest to the first asians
@sweetbitterspicy Also just because some people were linked culturally in the past,it does'nt need to ring true with regards to affinity in the present.Take the instance of how Indians are not really loved in modern South east asia or even bali...butr as a matter of fact,they were all part of the Indosphere in ancient times! Most SE asians,sadly probably don't even know this.
@cillantro Wow, thanks for an awesome reply. Wished I could write back. I'll be writing a longer piece tomorrow or maybe day after when I have time. Sorry about that, friend.
@cillantro However, despite what some people say, I know Japanese don't hate "Chinese" but the Chinese government. I guess China's neighbors share similar sentiments. I never knew Indians weren't well liked in SEA. Did you face the same thing the Chinese faced? About 15 years ago, Indonesians carried out a race riot, killing as many Chinese as possible. Females, even as young as 12 were mercilessly raped or murdered. I found out that Chinese massacring was quite rampant in SEA countrs
@cillantro Hmm actually Viets are considered the odd man out of East Asian mongoloid. I learnt that they spent much of their history fending off Chinese Northern Invaders. They were under Chinese rule for 1000 years and only managed to break free around 10th century. South Chinese are quite close to Vietnamese genetically, in fact they are an intermediate step between North and South Mongoloid.
@cillantro As for the Japanese, they had significant influence and intermixing with Koreans and Chinese in history, but I do agree with you in that they are very unique. It's definitely wrong to say are they're basically Koreans etc. A very high Jomon component in their genes is noted, but there is a video on youtube that shows Japanese genetic sequence is around 50% Chinese+Korean. Prior to the Mongol invasions, there was significant contact and influence between Japan and China.
@sweetbitterspicy Also, apart from anthropologists and geneticists grouping them together, it's very interesting that C,J,K,V also share similar characteristics to the Inuit/Yupiit. For instance, a bluish spot (Mongolian spot) occurs when babies are born. Children are carried on the back and mothers have this habit of kissing babies with their noses.
Shamanism still is practiced by Yupiit, Koreans and Japanese people, but has been long lost among Chinese people.
@sweetbitterspicy I think the natives of Taiwan(not those who moved in the 15th century alone)but the actual Taiwanese aborigines(also mongoloid,but with grey eyes?)follow some form of shamanism.Japanese shamanism is called shinto.In India too there are non-hindu tribalistic/shamanistic religions,although they are under attack from missionaries.
I feel tai-chi is a very cool aspect of shamanism from ancient china in modern times.European/arabian paganism is dead.Zoroastrianism lives on in India
@cillantro And because of that, the Chinese aren't a pure race. The Japanese and Koreans have preserved more of their original form and customs because of factors such as geography. You are right, I also believe Japanese are closest to the first Asians
Basically, E Asian genetic distance looks like this:
J--K-C---V
We're culturally/ethnically interconnected most closely with each other however.
@sweetbitterspicy BTW if you believe chinese are'nt a pure race....I would only say this,being a pure race but believing otherwise(like most Indians) can be much more dangerous than being non-homogenous(like China) but believing in a single culture/race theory.Foreigners have played havoc in India.It is a damaged country/culture beyond repair unfortunately.The land of Arthasastra/Harappa-Mohenjedaro/kamasutra/ is now under victorian era britain/Islamic codes of morals/ethics.Very prudish TBH! :0
@cillantro As it is, those who actually suffered during the war have a right to be resentful and consequently, perhaps their direct descendents and nobody else. The interesting thing is that many of the surviving victims have actually forgiven the Japanese and don't hold a grudge against the current Japanese, although there are those that still do. I feel the nationalistic trolls are using the war for their own personal agenda and self interests. The Japanese aren't to blame.
@cillantro Looks can be deceiving, and many people are tricked by these usually non Chinese/Japanese shit stirrers, and then the fighting starts. That's the norm.
The most insensitive and disgusting comments to either side usually come from outsiders because it's easy to make disparaging remarks hiding behind another identity and belonging to neither ethnic. Unfortunately, some Chinese are naive enough to believe them and some Chinese racists take this opportunity to begin their tirade.
@cillantro In short, in reality true Japanese and Chinese nationalists would only participate in areas that use their own language and where their people are majority. Most are smart enough not to make idiots of themselves and if they overact, they are most likely not what they claim to be.
However, I don't think most fenqing boast of being superior to Japan. They might say Japan originated from China, but can't deny and even admire the strengths, beauty and culture of that amazing country
@cillantro Chinese trolls are far more likely to look down on other countries than Japan (whom they prefer to view as of higher quality, cruel and arrogant).
However, the average Japanese and Chinese (less so and sadly decreasing) tends to be humble in nature and quite uncomfortable with praise. We both are proud of our cultures, perhaps more than anyone else, but prefer not to go around others videos saying "we are teh best, you guys are teh suck" :) Beware the foreign troll is my motto :)
@sweetbitterspicy Beware the foreign troll?LOL....thats a very different motto...anyways what does that mean?That you should'nt be aware of chinese trolls?Beware of "trolls-regardless of ethnicity"should be your motto.Anyway its your motto not mine.BTW I don't think India deserves a seat at the UNSC,then every country with a large pop will ask for proportional representation.It will be like providing countries/continents a reward for increasing their population while the world needs the opposite
@cillantro Sometimes, a video's comments are not what it seems. Until recently, I wasn't aware of foreigners pretending to be Chinese/Japanese to stir the pot, until I saw some sites where foreign Ch posers were caught in the act. Asian interwebs is scarily different from western ones, and in China, let's just say it's extra dangerous and tracking down these trolls is not uncommon. I've also noticed in many Asian oriented sites, it's usually an outsider who opens provocative threads.
@cillantro These outsiders would typically hide behind a different identity, and the threads are usually titled "Why do Chinese hate Japanese (and vice versa)?" or what does one think of the other. That's how most comments in videos roll from my observations. Some naive Chinese/Japanese then take the bait and all hell breaks lose. In the internet it's hard to tell who's who, but especially cruel, persistent and rude comments are usually by them, and these are the trolls I speak off.
@cillantro They (usually Chinese) then play into the hands of these trolls and make videos like this in response:
watch?v=qJ8UfZXuGzw
Trying to justify the behavior of resentful Chinese is foolish imo as the trolls aren't really interested in the real reasons why conflict between the two exists and might purposely favor one side over the other. They just want to see it. I wished I could explain and help you give a feel. I respect Indians like you for being objective and respectful.
@cillantro There are many reasons why they do this. But IMO the most obvious reason is inferiority and jealousy to BOTH Japanese and Chinese. Note even with Chinese racists, Japan is actually favored over other countries and viewed with more respect. Most Chinese don't consider themselves superior to Japanese but maybe to others
When talking about nationalists, things get very complicated. It's actually a 3-way triangle among Asian nationalists. Rest assured, they don't represent us.
@cillantro The base character of Chinese is supposed to be humble and collectivist. During the older village days, richer Chinese would give what extra they had to poorer people. We'd help each other out and take care of others children while the parents were away. In short, we'd look out for each other. Nowadays, such unsung heroes isn't what China is known for. During the SEA diaspora, most of us would quietly and politely respect the natives even if they disrespected or hurt us.
@sweetbitterspicy Dude but I think the grouse that SEA asians have is related to history,you know how the chinese subjugated and humiliated them with the tributaries system.Ofcourse the past should not determine how we treat the people of the present.This collectivism is what I like about east asians.Never do you hear chinese/Koreans/Japanese talking bad about their cultures/ways(there is bad/good everywhere) but with Indians it is almost fashinable to be self loathing(about India thats is)..LOL
@cillantro But there could also be some historical causes. But it seems the rich-poor gap is the biggest reason. It's quite understandable for natives to be upset over any minority doing better than them financially. Especially if this minority raises dubious questions as regards loyalty. Chinese migrants have a reputation for being disloyal to the country they live in.
Another factor was the spread of communism, so locals were worried this idea would spread politically via Chinese.
@cillantro It's very encouraging to see these heroes still live in India. Some Chinese boast of huge economy and great military but the latter is something that I'm NOT proud of at all. In fact, I envy India has people like Gandhi and Buddha but China doesn't. When I read of the 50 Fukushima heroes, I felt so proud for Japan and I wished my country too could have 50 such brave men. Inspite of our differences, there are times when both our countries did remarkable things for the other.
@cillantro While it's true that China is a huge, and there's no such thing as a true Chinese (we vary hugely from region to region, even character can be different) I think one thing we do share along with the Japanese and Koreans is our sense of community. We tend to be community driven and many would sacrifice themselves for the country and not want to "lose face" by shaming it.
There's another trait common among Chinese and Japanese that we learnt from Indians. (Cont)
@cillantro (Cont.) That is a quiet pride for our country and culture. We very rarely boast to others that we are no.1 even if we may think so. We prefer to keep it among ourselves and discuss it with ourselves. You'd rarely see any of us go to another nation's video and try to bring them down saying we're better. If we do succeed in something, it's never good enough. Still much room for improvement.
I also find South and East Asians are also quite modest and uncomfortable with praise
@sweetbitterspicy Well I would just say that there are many nationalistic mainland trolls on unrelated videos about Japan(tourism/cartoons/music for example) saying how china is this and that,how the japs would have to face the past and so on.I am like come the fuck on! ost of the Japanese of ww2 are dead.Today's innocents are not the nationalists who formed the Japanese empire.Its kinda retarded.collectivist karma does'nt exist regardless of the level of tribalism in the people involved you knw
@cillantro However, I think targetting women,children and elderly is wrong. In the same way, I feel deeply ashamed when these Chinese trolls start their talks of divine retribution, revenge, etc. It's just wrong, the correct target was the IJA which is long gone. These people are not just offensive to the Japanese (and to outsiders, people like you) but to the Chinese as well by constantly bringing up issues those affected would rather lay buried.
@sweetbitterspicy well the imeprial Japanese army would not have inflicted any atrocity that my ancestors have not seen or been through.Please check out the meaning of "Hindu Kush" mountains.Read on the bahamani sultans who killed hindus for sport.Indians(people like me esp) were outsiders,kaffirs(under mughal rule) and later secondary citizens(under british raj rule) in OUR OWN LAND for a thousand years.I believe it is our weakness that destroys us..foreign invaders are a manifestation of that.
@cillantro However, if you feel troubled too much, I'm here to help. It's my responsiblity. You could link me to the videos where racist Chinese are running amok, I'll try to explain to you the situation, parties involved and report offensive commentators. East Asians are good at telling the nature of posts, whether they are our own or someone else.
When speaking about the atrocities of the IJA, I think the combination of it being recent (survivors still alive) is to blame.
@cillantro Also, improper education and handling of the situation. We should teach our children "never again", to remember, but also forgive. All our ancestors, from every nation "for our tomorrow, gave their today" and I'm sure our deceased relatives wouldn't want us to live in hate and conflict. They want peace, and that's what Japanese and us Chinese want more than anything else in this world.
It might sound strange to you, but your words are quite inspiring to me. India suffered
@cillantro more than any country and is no stranger to brutal oppression.
However, Korea and Japan have come a long way in reconciling, Korean culture is very popular in Japan and they are militarily and politically closely tied. During the 03/11 Earthquakes, SK was one of the 5 countries Japan personally asked for help. Granted, SK and China were the first countries that offered help to Japan I guess you could say we have made much progress.
@cillantro She longed for the day when Koreans, Chinese and Japanese could come together and overcome the past. The day when we could talk normally and call each other true friends. Needless to say, I was deeply moved.
It was actually Japanese officials who talked of the great importance of maintaining and improving relations with China. You see, China is the one country that is most hostile to Japan, more than SK which has progressed much more IMO
@sweetbitterspicy Yeah well,china is still a developing country unlike wealthy South Korea,taiwan etc..so they do have that tag and inferiority complex wrt to Japan especially and regards to their past with it.Education will improve things though.As you said forgive but not forget.About survivors,I can tell you that survivors of the Mopillah riots,survivors of the carnage that took place during partition still live.Whats worse?They(Mughals,christians) have disfigured Indian society beyond repair
@cillantro@cillantro Japanese seldom intermarry, but if they do, they tend to marry Chinese, Filipinos, Koreans and Americans in roughly that order. I'd actually like to see the statistics for China and Korea too, more out of curiosity if anything. It's interesting to note that Asian males aren't all that interested in videos/media of white MEN but white people are VERY interested in watching videos/media of Asian females. Perhaps we are quite satisfied with our own women :)
@sweetbitterspicy I heard the latest trend amongst Indian men in China is to marry chinese women.They find Indian women attractive(equally if not more) but there are aforementioned complexities associated with Indian women.Besides nowadays there is a lot of non-conformity/iconoclausm in India....Besides yes,we asians LOVEEE our women!
Lots of Indians marrying Koreans,Japanese in their native countries..must be because most of the Indians going to these countries are educated-white collars..hmmm
@cillantro Most anthropologists put Mongoloids at the top of the evolutionary chain for various reasons.
Recently, it was shown that East Asian mongoloids had the highest IQ out of any other race. They possessed a higher cognitive ability and Rushton stated:
"Lynn (1991) found that representative Asian schoolchildren from Hong Kong and Japan were faster in reaction time than were similar White children who, in turn, were faster than were similar Black children from South Africa."
@sweetbitterspicy All I can say is WOW, both of you are so detailed and intellectual, I'm afraid I come short. It's like one great wall of text after another. Not going to dabble too much, since most of the points concur with mine. Anyways, there's no need for bringing in this Mongoloid, Caucasoid scientific research, papers and academia to prove a very obvious point. East Asian countries, Japan, Korea and China and closely related both as a race and culture.
@sweetbitterspicy What I think is we shouldn't take this which nation gets along with which nation, who is related to who so seriously. We should learn history and learn from it, but not be tied down to it. Just watch Hetalia, it's light-hearted fun and would make most nationalists feel foolish.
There's one thing I seriously need to inform you about though, and that's about Chinese trolls/nationalists. I think these people are disgusting and would even resort to faking info.
@sweetbitterspicy just to get their way. Remember the Chinese Bullet train crash? Well, what happened was a bunch of these clowns decided to deceive the Chinese public by posting an article of how a Japanese anchorwoman giggled when reading the news of the casualty. It was later found to be photoshopped and they used a fake photo in another event.
To see a disgraceful Chinese troll in action, just follow this link:
@sweetbitterspicy Either way, do feel free to handle this "CENSORED FOR BEING TOO OFFENSIVE". The uploader, shiggy is a great guy, very friendly and very witty. He's a good sport. Don't worry, feel free to comment, subscribe, watch. He doesn't bite.
A Canadian homie, he has to be Canadian because we rock ^ ^. He played Deadliest Warrior so watch the series. You might spot him ninjaing away. Man, I'm such a great salesman. Contradiction to your Asians are humble theory, eh?
@sweetbitterspicy reaction times may have to do with lesser bulk.Besides were pygmie/aborigine children interviewed?I guess not,lynn would'nt really take the trouble to travel the bushes/jungles of africa/papua new guinea would he?Anyway I think the pedomophy you mention could do with the fact that wherever homo-sapien travelled from the cradle of life(rift valley-congo)they comingled with the native proto-humans,in europe it was the neanderthals,in asian the flores man and so on.Performance in.
@cillantro He also found that Asian (mongoloid) Americans/Canadians/Australians typically had lower crime rates, had higher income, better education, were more law abiding and less wasteful. He also proves your observation that mental/marital functioning and durability was stronger among Asians. They were the racial group least likely to divorce. His views of the evolutionary chain were technically Mongoloid > Caucasoid > Negroid.
Of course environmental factors are crucial as well.
@sweetbitterspicy ..contd..Asian(mongolodi) kids fare better at school not coz they have a higher IQ but coz they spend more time studying.Similar kids from say an obscure tribe in central africa who just moved to the west would place lesser value on education.Asians value education,work,money etc...and lesser crime rates could do with the outcasting system.Asians involved in nefarious actvities would be outcasted and in tight knit overseas societies it is even easier to identify and brand them.
@sweetbitterspicy Look at the street gangs of Korea,triad of china,yakuza of japan,gangs from SEasia and so on..these criminals continue to other parts of the world too...why would these exist if mongoloids were all goody two shoes?Besides a society is gauged by how well they perform at home..most of the immigrants are people who are talented or educated or wealthy..the creamy elite/desirable of society.If you look at legal/non-refugee immigrants from africa they would perform as well as chinese
@cillantro By uncredible, I mean he is criticized by various other academics, including Philippe Rushton. In fact, I've even seen Asian scholars consider Jared Diamond a farce. I read somewhere that he was more interested in selling a good story than looking at the truth. In particular, his article about Australian Aborigines was concluded factually inaccurate.
Note that even among tribesmen, there is a difference. Inuit-Yupiit are considered far more advanced than Aborigines/Papuans
@sweetbitterspicy Well first off,I read Jared's book and sugegst you do too.This would not hurt our asian pride,trust me.He explains his observations on credible facts.When someone writes something like this,he is bound to be criticized.That is the job of academics.He did'nt really write much about australian aborigines.His writings/book had more to do with the bushmen of papua new guinea,the president of whose republic put forward to him a querstion.."why did the whites bring cargo and not us?"
@cillantro The feelings of Chinese is very complexed. It's very difficult to compare a peasant population that has relatively little education and exposure to the outside world, or one that has been brainwashed by the Japanese threat propaganda in their education. However, Chinese who have access to the same facilities as other first world countries definitely don't have any inferiority regarding Japan. Most of us simply admire them and some hardcore nationalists even respect them.
@cillantro Basically, it's very difficult to feel inferior to people so similar to you. Respect maybe. A Pole wouldn't feel inferior to a Russian. Brit wouldn't feel inferior to French.
Being narrow minded is wrong.When my older sister decided to marry a Japanese man, my parents being conservative strongly objected to this. However, they did a 180 turn when they met their granddaughter. She's lovely.
Most Chinese I know who actually met Japanese changed their minds and liked them.
@cillantro I know of a Chinese woman in charge of a Chinese Culture school in Ontario whose extremely proud of her heritage. One would expect her and her family to have savage hate for the Japanese. However, to my surprise, she has many sister/brother-in-laws who are Japanese and speaks well of them. She's also organized and sponsored many East Asian youth and cultural exchanges and events.
It just goes to show that with proper education, exposure and communication, we can get along.
@sweetbitterspicy Yes the Japanese are real sweethearts!Very polite and maybe that wins hearts more than anything else.
No problemo mate! It sucks that your comments have been marked as spam...just coz people feel differently they should argue not use such tactics.Don't worry about them,I opened each and every comment to reply to you!Cheers
@cillantro ....ctd -> probably the people long ago had the same civilization, then when they were 'divided' and went to different places, they still had the same cultures but as time went by, they developed their own cultures. this is only what i think might happen, but it's quite logical right? my knowledge about world history is just little. nonetheless, i wish to share my view which i think quite logical. 2cents...
There are 56 ethnic groups in China, so should they split China into 56 different countries? We have to admit that the modern world has already become a political world, the importance of culture is decreasing quickly. The fact is, the more powerful military will win, the weak ones lose. I hate to see this happening, but sadly it is. Koreans and Han Chinese have been mixing for centuries, who is there to find out who is actually what. We can't tell. Look at President Obama, he's mixed too.
@sweetsf4life many koreans and non-chinese think china wants to claim n & s korean land by claiming a foreign population and culture as part of chinese culture. the fact is, china do not have to include koreans into the 56 ethnic groups because they are not indigenous to china whereas the 55 are.
The same can apply to South Korea, can Korea apply ethnic Chinese as part of Korean culture and nation? No because first Korea is homogeneous, in fact the most homogeneous in world, secondly, they are minorities, not part of Korean nationhood, etc.
@sweetsf4life hong kong, korea & japan are mostly homogenous and carry 90%+ indigenous ethnic groups. in exactly the same manner, china do not have to accept non-indigenous ethnics into china in order to be successful.
mixing for centuries?? No, Korean population have been recorded as early as Han dynasty. But archeleogically, ethnic Koreans had been in modern China since neolithic era.
Yanbian is Chinese property and Korean Chinese are proud to have the Chinese nationailty and to be a part of the 56 ethnic groups in the People's Republic of China.
@cillantro Also, youtube is blocked in China, so a majority of these trolls are perhaps some strange fobs lacking a social life, Chinese ethnics from different countries or "not even Chinese". Actually, some trolls posting in Chinese sites were outed as foreigners and just people who wanted to stir things up which is often the case whenever China vs Japan is involved.
I think Japanese suffer even more from posers pretending to be racist Japanese trolls.
They're anti-Japan or anti-China trolls.
sweetbitterspicy 3 days ago
@sweetbitterspicy Well despite the youtube block,many chinese are savvy enough to circumnet it via proxy servers/networks....its a way to clim over or tunnel under the great internet wall of china so to speak.So majority of those people are chinese.Maybe some were foreigners too.But the majority are chinese,google translate is our best friend you know ! The point is these people are brainwashed by the commies who stil control most of the PRC.That is why defectors from NK are re-educated in SK!!!
cillantro 3 days ago
@cillantro Prior to the European colonization and industrial revolution, Eastern civilizations were considered by many to be the most advanced and the most complex.
"Anthropoligists have studied the skull structures modern humans of different races including the extinct hominids. The least evolved humans living today were found out to be the Australian aborigines. Followed by the Negroids, then Caucasians, then lastly the Mongoloids who are at the top of the evolutionary ladder."
sweetbitterspicy 2 days ago
@cillantro Yes, it's true that many Chinese are quite capable of bypassing the great wall, but the average Chinese wouldn't. They prefer to stick to their own websites like youku, tudou and weibo. I do agree that there are Chinese posting offensive stuff, towards Japanese, but compared to the sites mentioned, it is miniscule. Similarly, the number of "Japanese" posting crap about Chinese is even fewer (most are in fact not even Japanese but wannabes or anti-Japan/Chinese people)
sweetbitterspicy 2 days ago
@cillantro Ultimately, you are correct. China does have a problem, particularly with government endorsed trolls. But the problem with youtube is that there are very few logical and unbiased Chinese to counter these trolls. Most overseas Chinese are fond of Japanese but don't bother w racist trolling. In typical Chinese sites, for every offensive comment, 5 more would hammer it down, without outsider presence. Nationalistic websites are a different matter, and every country has these.
sweetbitterspicy 2 days ago
Koreans lost so much land in North by Chinese.
BAIYUE1 2 months ago
고구려의 수도 역시 길림성 집안시, 한국사람들은 신라인 혹은 백제인에 불과하다! 이름은 응당히 Shirlarean 아니면 Baejerean!
tycz29 3 months ago
@tycz29 한반도가 삼국시대 이후에 한나라로 뭉치면서 얼마나 섞이고 섞였는데, 지역마다 다 다른 인종으로 취급하기로는 말이 안 되죠.
DNA로도 보면 남한사람, 북한사람, 조선사람 다 같은 곡선에 나옵니다.
우리나라를 쪼갤려고 하지마세요^^
nahcey 1 month ago
고려인의 후세들 --- 연변인들! 우리야 말로 고려인이 아닌가!!! Korean이라는 이름은 고려인 이라는 발음으로 부터 왔다. 연변의 조선족들이여 ! 우리 모두 우리가 고구려 후손인것을 잊지말자! 연변을 발전 시키자!
tycz29 3 months ago
Imagine how BAD the mic would smell by the end of the day :P
elinal855 7 months ago
we are all asian,no much difference
zqdz123 9 months ago
Chinese rarely demeanor the Japanese. The Koreans are very different from the Japanese. In many ways, Chinese are more similar to Japanese than Koreans.
hakutaable 9 months ago
Its funny how chinese keep demeaning Koreans and Japanese as being unoriginal.Chinese culture,Buddhism(upon which confucius based his thoughs,even he admitted he was just reflecting on the thoughts of the elders)is almost entirely from India what with Chinese travellers and monks visiting India-AKATianzhu,western paradise etc.That is what chinese culture is based upon,Indian techings.So by the yardstick some chinese members here apply to Koreans and Japanese,there are no chinese philosophers too
cillantro 10 months ago
@cillantro i don't think it is that simple. while there were things that the chinese had the idea from the indians like buddhism, there must be original things the chinese came up by themselves. these can be seen from the rich cultures and inventions the chinese have.
kickmyask82 9 months ago
@cillantro while i don't really like the action of demeaning or something, we need to admit the chinese influenced japanese and korean cultures by very much. the food, games, sports, buildings, musical instruments are very similar. but then again, if we are actually originate from one person (or a pair to be more logical) then spread to the world, then we can't give credits to the chinese only. (i'm talking about china-japan-korea). it is because we are far relatives. ctd.....
kickmyask82 9 months ago
@kickmyask82 You really believe humans spread from just a pair?hmmm...anyways I do agree that people did things on their own.After China got buddhism from India,in a thousand years,India itself lost buddhism coz of NW India(entirely later) being oppressed by barbarian moslem hordes who destroyed Nalanda university.Then the SEasians,Japanese,Chinese,Koreans kept continuity and further developed buddhism.Shinto,heathen and chinese tribal religions influenced buddhism in Japan,Korean & China.......
cillantro 9 months ago
@kickmyask82 so similarly the koreans and Japanese and Chinese influenced each other and learnt from each other.Indians were cut off from our asian brothers thanks to muslim barbarians cultural blockade.The Koreans have invented lots independently like Tekwondo,Turtle ships,ondol heating,Hwacha rocket launchers,MP3 players and so on.The Japanese are very inventive too.So i believe all asians like us should work together and bring wealth and peace to the continent rather than infighting.Go Asia!!
cillantro 9 months ago
@cillantro i agree that we should not fight. if we want to say who is more superior than who, then there is no clear measurement tool as in to conclude who is superior than we have to UNDERSTAND the WHOLE nations. but again, is that even possible? the world has very long history and it is not that each nation develops itself on its own without having at all contact to each other. that's why i dont like the west,they keep saying they are superior but i doubt they know Asia even just by 10% of it.
kickmyask82 9 months ago
@kickmyask82 Westerns don't know shit about asia.They just like to gloss over their own glories and civilisation.It is a known fact that there was indus valley civilisation and other eastern civilisations when westerners were hunter gatherer nomads.LOL.They don't like to talk about it much ;) I believe all nations have our strengths and we should work together for our betterment.They talk only about greece and rome!Anyway,we should work at the Asian level,pool all the combined strengths together
cillantro 9 months ago
@cillantro true.. but the sad thing is a lot of asians, because they are usually fed with the glories of the west in media, school, etc, feel inferior. what a sad thing... :( i hope that would change ASAP.
kickmyask82 9 months ago
@kickmyask82 Yeah that is the case even in developed nations like South korea,Japan,Singapore etc,leave alone developing ones like India and China.I think all inferiority starts in school textbooks and we have to teach kids all about their civilisation and those of their neighbours.Indians kids should learn about Koreans,Chinese,Japanese,SE-Asia and vice versa.Anyway kids don't use what they learn in school so we might as well inculcate pride and values in them,rather than scienc and math alone.
cillantro 9 months ago
@cillantro indians? is that a joke their mud race is not the same as the yellows...
lcddg 1 month ago
@lcddg Well first off yellows...is not really a race,unless ofcourse you have been cut off from the world living in a cave or some backward shithole like say China or the phillipines.Next,Indians built planned awesome cities 5000 years back...even mesopotamia can't beat that.Sorry you feel so much for them but their mud race is better than yours anyday,anyway(whichever race you belong to!)!What is pinoy culture but that of Spain 300 years back?
cillantro 1 month ago
@cillantro Don't really know why you brought up China as a backward shithole lol.
Race is an obsolete term when used in everyday context.
From an anthropomorphic POV, such classifications are useful. In such a case, Chinese, Japanese and Koreans are just some of the people making up the racial group of mongoloid which even includes Inuit-Yupiit and Thais.
I'd disagree with Chinese demeaning Japanese often. Some do, most don't. They do need to learn more about Koreans though.
sweetbitterspicy 1 week ago
@sweetbitterspicy yeah and the funny thing about chinese demeaning Japs is that most of their FDI is from Japan!even Korea invests a LOT of money into china.These people are a sort of floating people I guess....its a pity that they do not get to enjoy the priviledges of Korean citizenship/nationality despite belonging to that ethnicity.As someone said in a previous comment,this may have been land that belonged to the Joseon dynasty and was lost to the chinese later when they were in civil strife
cillantro 1 week ago
@cillantro Chinese nationalists are retarded, but I guess such people exist anywhere in the world. The world would be better without nationalists. I wouldn't worry too much about them. Such people are usually confined in their own little world, and only know China, Japan and US. I have learned that the vast majority of Chinese are thankfully not like that.
Japan is actually a country that is highly respected and relatable among Chinese. So close yet so far. Being related is strange.
sweetbitterspicy 6 days ago
@sweetbitterspicy The problme with China is the CCP...it is also its main advantage considering they are development minded.But maybe it is the chinese people who are a developmental race and not the ccp?!Who knows?
Anyways you are being very kind in your comments about me.Personally I wish I was from a country in the east(like Korea,Japan) where people actually know they are from one ethnicity(unlike Indians) and were'nt so alieanated from each other.Homogeneity helps big time!
Cheers!!!!
cillantro 6 days ago
@cillantro I agree. I'm very honored and humbled by your admiration of us, the East Asians and the Chinese people. To be honest, I think the Indians are an incredibly esteemed people as well. Long ago, we traveled to the West to learn from you. One of our most famous stories Xi You Ji is about just that. It's also very popular in Japan, they created an adaptation called Saiyuki.
For me, India is more than a land of beautiful temples and exotic flavors. It's a haven of great thinkers
sweetbitterspicy 4 days ago
@sweetbitterspicy That was really uplifting to hear it from you.But remember India has not been the same for the past 500-700 years and will never reach the pinnacle of liberalism,wealth,cultural richness and spirituality for which it was know in the time period the "journey to the west" was written.Not a single modern Indian university can match Nalanda,Taxila or even one of the lesser known ones of ancient India.Just the way ancient Rome/Greece has been destoryed forever so is ancient India...
cillantro 4 days ago
@cillantro Japan is the largest provider of humanitarian aid China. This is a fact known by not enough Chinese. Despite some bad online testimonies, my personal experience with Japanese (family members and friends) has been excellent. Even on the internet, I've seen some of the most encouraging and nicest words from Japanese people in spite of our differences. Japan's earthquake disasters and our own made many Chinese view Japanese in a different light and do a needed soul searching.
sweetbitterspicy 6 days ago
@sweetbitterspicy What is interesting is the asians are very tied to their lands! Almost all the Japanese americans are returning back home and also a huge number of Taiwanese are going back.You never see this amongst british/irish americans...could be because they are the majority in the US and so do not feel left out/discriminated against.BTW are you female?Because I have a feeling an asian american women won't feel so discriminated against(as they are beautiful) but the guys would abroad.hmmm
cillantro 6 days ago
@cillantro Hey, sorry about that. Yes, you are right, I'm Chinese American male. Asian American females fare much better than males (yes, they are very beautiful, maybe too beautiful to be real ;p) Don't worry, we face discrimination on a daily basis but sometimes, stereotypes can be very positive. I think we've done so much for the countries we live in but what I meant was something Bruce Lee's mother in law said, "You are an American citizen, but you'll never be American!"
sweetbitterspicy 4 days ago
@sweetbitterspicy Its funny americans/aussies/cannucks say that.99% of americans can NEVER be american,native american blood is nearly absent and they are the true americans(who are related to asians)What I meant about asian women being beautiful though was not restricted to asian american alone but all asian females this includes those in asia first and foremost..I see some Korean girls in my city/hometown and I am like WOW!Most Indians are whitewashed but I like asian girls!an acquired taste;)
cillantro 4 days ago
@cillantro Indian girls are extremely beautiful too. In fact, Indians and the area around India are some of the most beautiful women in the world. I think they tie with Venezuelans in beauty. But there's just something about oriental beauty that is unique. I agree with you, for most it is an acquired taste and it's just Asians that are a little different. Most Asians are into the cutesy type (strong influence from Japan, Asia's leader and trend setter esp in pop culture)
sweetbitterspicy 3 days ago
@sweetbitterspicy Indian girls are some of the most beautiful women around..agreed,but you know I feel more at ease with east asian/oriental women.Must bethe neoteny,but most of them get me real hard,so it can't be that;)I guess they know how to treat a man.I am not a chauvanist,au contraire I am a pro feminist guy.My theory is that women in male dominated cultures treat men better.Indian girls of a certain class and most Indian women for that matter are totally spoilt by the pro female law here
cillantro 3 days ago
@cillantro Wow, I'm quite flattered and happy you find oriental women attractive. To be honest, I wasn't expecting that and it was a pleasant surprise. I'm too used to hearing the ugly, slit eyed, flat faced monolook mongoloid description by mainly white people. Of course is very far from the truth. The truth is Asians are very attractive for any race, and you just have to browse a few videos and the comments to find out that Asian females are beautiful.
sweetbitterspicy 2 days ago
@sweetbitterspicy The ones saying asian femmes are ugly,slip eyed mongols are so totally out of touch with the times.Happens when you live in a country with the level of individuality that the USA has(its big + point)and also one with so low a population density.It is very fashionable amongst white people to be seen with a asian female,unfortunately not so for asian men IMHO.I don't think you should really go by the models you see in photos/videos.Any visitor to asia/knows asian women loves them
cillantro 2 days ago
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@cillantro So true. These days, Asian women seem to be in. Most people seem to think Asians are the most beautiful women, Caucasians like the Japanese look while other Asians also are in favor of the Koreans. In fact, Korean men are doing really well in Asia and East Asian men have the highest interracial marriage rates with white women compared to any other minority group.
But there's no denying that Asian women do infact love Caucasian. Perhaps it's the prestige, Hollywood or looks
sweetbitterspicy 1 day ago
@sweetbitterspicy I really don't know what prestige there is in marrying a caucasian unless he is from some "cool" country like Monaco,Switzerland,Luxembourg and so on.People from USA/UK are normal.I think most asian girls marry whites to escape the conditions in their country,in the case of SEasians/chinese and other asian girls from developing countries,they view whites as passports-korean/japanese/taiwanese and other asian women from developed countries marry whites to escape social pressure
cillantro 1 day ago
@sweetbitterspicy Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.Most men,Indians included love Indian,white,arabic,Latin women.Asians and africans do not figure on their radar.This is the traditional concept of beauty,symmetry.Unfortunately the biggest lovers of whites/white features are asian women themselves.I read in some poll that asian-american women marry most outside their race,esp chinese and korean women.Sad but true.I knew this korean girl and she was a bit biased to whites,although nice to all
cillantro 2 days ago
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@cillantro If you look at Beauty Pageants and international top models, people like the Caucasoid look more. Indians, Middle Easterners, Pakistanis fit into this category too although I personally think they have a distinct, exotic beauty when compared to the West and North Europeans. Interracial marriage rates in countries like America are a statistical proportion and bring along the problems associated with it. For instance, Asians make up a very small percentage of the population
sweetbitterspicy 1 day ago
@cillantro Another thing that really surprised me is how many Asian Americans/Australians/Canadians perceive themselves as an inferior race to whites.
Here's a very interesting article from Rushton from the regarding differences in race.
lrainc . com / swtaboo / stalkers / jpr_rghrs . html
It's interesting because it seems to conform with other articles written by geneticists and anthropologists that mongoloids are the most extreme examples of pedomorphy among humans, eg. less hair
sweetbitterspicy 2 days ago
@sweetbitterspicy I don't know if juvenilization is the characterisation for advanced anthropological features/properties...what I do know is different people age at different rates.Whites for example age/mature quiet fast.Indians are somewhere inbetween,asian the other extreme(although Indians are technically asian too,I exclude them for practical reasons ;) )..so a race that ages slower can work longer/more and is thus more efficient through their life times.Explain new found east asian wealth
cillantro 2 days ago
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@cillantro And when one Asian marries a white American for instance, it would directly affect the percentage more than a race that constitutes a larger proportion of the population. A study in Canada discovered that Japanese Canadians esp females was the single group that was most likely to marry out, and Chinese were the East Asian ethnic least likely to marry out. This makes sense when you consider the population of Japanese Canadians and the difficulty in finding another Japanese.
sweetbitterspicy 1 day ago
@sweetbitterspicy Yeah and the fact that Japanese/Korean culture being very popular,esp the former gives them more options in marriage(both men and women)...lots of wapanese around in the USA and other places I guess!lol...you know someone out of china or Indian or Thailand(guys that is) would get less preferential treatment,in some cases even looked down upon.I personally am into Indian/latino/celtic/asian women(not in chronological order ofcourse ;) ) although I am afraid of Indian women TBH!!
cillantro 1 day ago
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@cillantro Needless to say, there were more Chinese then Koreans (2x) and Japanese (10x) in Canada, so it's easier for them to find another Chinese partner. VAST majority of intermarriage was among Japanese females and White Canadians. Indians were the ethnic minority least likely to marry out which is very impressive considering there are roughly about the same number of Indian Canadians as Chinese Canadians.
Marrying white people can be seen as beneficial for the children's welfare
sweetbitterspicy 1 day ago
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@cillantro This is not to say Asians don't love white people. They do, Asian females slightly more than males. I personally have a thing for the Asian look, but have a soft spot for Asianized Caucasians (other Caucasians might label them weabos, who knows) so maybe I'm a little whitewashed too.
There were a few Japanese polls carried out among mostly women and sometimes men on whom their ideal lover/wife/husband/etc would be. Not surprisingly, in all of them, Caucasians dominated.
sweetbitterspicy 1 day ago
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@cillantro There were even some polls where every country in the top 10 was a Caucasian one (US, Aus, France, Germany). White Americans were by FAR the most desired for both men and women. However, Japanese men would list Asian countries like Korea and China more than females, and other East Asians represented the second most desired group after Caucasians.
These polls of course took out Japanese men/women from the equation. Marriage statistics are very different of course.
sweetbitterspicy 1 day ago
@sweetbitterspicy ...cntd...I know in my own close family circles where many divorces are happening at unprecedented rates(for no fault of the guy's,really).Besides there is also problem with cross-caste marriages wherein if a upper caste guy marries a lower caste women and if there is a problem in their life,law views it from the prism of caste conflict(judges,courts,law in India is always biased towards so called backward castes.the lower the better),as an Brahmin this is another disadv for me
cillantro 3 days ago
@cillantro It's quite heartening to see someone so attracted to Asians, I enjoyed your posts full of wit and wisdom rolled into one. I also got to learn some things about India and this information I probably will not get from any books. It seems life is fairly tough for Indian men, and I thought we had it bad lol. It's quite sad how society in countries always favor one group over the other. I'm neutral about feminism. Sometimes, I think women will be happier just being women.
sweetbitterspicy 2 days ago
@sweetbitterspicy Yeah well Indian/asian/insert-race women had it tough back in the old days.But that does'nt mean you can repeat the same for guys now.It is ultimately detrimental for society.You see,despite the fact that I am independently attracted to asian women/culture this kind of attitude from our govt and women/society in general has made take a vow that I will marry a asian women only for she will respect me,my parents and give me the good life I deserve.For some women,nothing is enough
cillantro 2 days ago
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@cillantro It's good to see a man who values family, taking care of the old folk, and women being women, and men being men. Yes, Asian women tend to be more respectful of men, it's ingrained into their culture, although things are changing these days. In Shanghai and maybe Guandong, traditionally, it's more of a matriachical society with women being more dominant. However, in Beijing and most other parts of China, it's the opposite and like most Asians, women tend to respect men more.
sweetbitterspicy 1 day ago
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@cillantro It's good to see a man who values family, taking care of the old folk, and women being women, and men being men. Yes, Asian women tend to be more respectful of men, it's ingrained into their culture, although things are changing these days. In Shanghai and maybe Guandong, traditionally, it's more of a woman dominated society. However, in Beijing and most other parts of China, it's the opposite and like most Asians, women tend to respect men more.
sweetbitterspicy 1 day ago
@sweetbitterspicy I don't want my women to respect me more,I just don't want her to respect me any less.Equality is all I ask for.I personally find Celtic women( kelly Mcdonald for example) to be so charming!But I am afraid they,just like other White women are affected by the feminism virus the same way educated Indian women(increasing their uneducated sisters too!) are...asian women are bra burners too,but they have this aforementioned social pressure to conform to shinto/confuscian/Tao values!
cillantro 1 day ago
@cillantro Speaking of divorce rates, you are right. East Asians have always been extremely group/family oriented people. Our old folks stay with us until the day they leave this world and things like filial piety and respect for elders is very important to us. It must have been passed down from the ice age, when closely knit families stayed together to bring down large prey such as the mammoth. Perhaps this is why ancestral honor and wallowing in the past is prevalent among us.
sweetbitterspicy 2 days ago
@cillantro But of course, things are changing with globalisation and all. I hope all of us can still preserve our own culture and especially for Chinese, I hope we don't lose ourselves entirely especially with materialistic pursuits and wanting the "American Dream". Our base character is humble, respectful of others and warm.
One thing I've noticed about East Asians in general is a common naivette, imaturity and trusting nature. Most of us believe that there is good in every person.
sweetbitterspicy 2 days ago
@cillantro Mongoloids have brains that develop slower than other races, and consequently mature and age slower especially females. It's both a good thing and a bad thing. To most outsiders, it just seems immature and embarrassing, but that's all part and parcel of being someone. Many Chinese are learning the hard way that to survive in this world, you need to be a more sly and conform to society. I think we all need to learn that the world is not our playground and a dangerous place.
sweetbitterspicy 2 days ago
@cillantro In fact, anthropologists have actually dispelled the Eurocentric views of superiority via research. Here's something I found from the wiki:
Richard Grossinger, at University of Maine at Portland, said "...advanced human development was pedomorphic rather than recapitulationary + accelerated"
"If juvenilization was the characteristic for advanced status, ...the Mongoloid races were more deeply fetalized in most respects and thus capable of the greatest development."
sweetbitterspicy 2 days ago
@sweetbitterspicy I really don't know about that evolutionary superiority conundrum of the Autraloid,Negroid,caucasoid,mongolioid order because logically speaking a group which has lived in organised societies/groups,with cities,policing and centralised governments for larger periods of time are ones that would be dumber generally speaking.The Reason being a city dweller would not be safer from tribal warfare,homicide etc due to policing and thereby even dumb ones would survive and pass genes...
cillantro 2 days ago
@sweetbitterspicy contd...I also own a sweet house which is the hard work on my dad/mom and in the event of a divorce,the woman can take the home(courts again!)...all this makes the proposition of marriage in India/to an Indian a very comlicated proposal for me.Besides I am deeply in love with east asian/oriental women and also the culture in general...I am pretty sure,my child will have one of those blue spots you were talking about :0 LOL
If you don't believe me,check saveIndianfamily org...
cillantro 3 days ago
@sweetbitterspicy contd...having had/still having a lovely family/extended family,I am in love with the institution of marriage and familial bonds.I feel east asian women are still holding onto the institution of family,although they are from aging,in some cases wealthy societies with smaller families.Yet they have family values if you know what I mean.My close friend's cousin married a Japanese women.I have never heard of India people married to Jap/Korean/Chinese/Taiwan women getting divorced!
cillantro 3 days ago
@sweetbitterspicy contd...having had/still having a lovely family/extended family,I am in love with the institution of marriage and familial bonds.I feel east asian women are still holding onto the institution of family,although they are from aging,in some cases wealthy societies with smaller families.Yet they have family values if you know what I mean.My close friend's cousin married a Japanese women.I have never heard of India people married to Jap/Korean/Chinese/Taiwan women getting divorced!
cillantro 3 days ago
@cillantro Either way, Asians have contributed so much in those countries, perhaps more than any other minority. As a proportion to the population, they have no equal in terms of notable people and heroes in those countries. However, can't say the same for Caucasians in Asian countries. The number of notable Caucasians is minimal.
Yes, when compared to the glorious past, both our countries appear weak. However, never lose hope. That's the basis of East Asian success.
sweetbitterspicy 3 days ago
@sweetbitterspicy sorry for my long discourse on the merits of asian women..LOL..back to topic,caucasians in most asian countries are just ESL english teachers..they are overrated.Period.The ones I do admire are the Swiss,Germans,Icelanders,Italians(very earthy and talented)....anglos saxons,French people etc are toooooo overrated.Not being racist or anything,just my 2 cents.Recently an Indian(Venky) won a physics noble in the USA...u see they give the right environment for great minds like this
cillantro 3 days ago
@cillantro Lost as in the magic of shamanism. In fact, I feel other Chinese countries (not the PRC) are the only ones preserving shamanism (Taoism) of China. We call them the Wu and I think it's separate from the Tunguistic ones. Koreans and Japanese are closer to the Tungus than the Chinese, also one important fact is location. I think China served as a wall for Koreans and especially Japanese, so invaders would reach and influence China before reaching the other two.
sweetbitterspicy 4 days ago
@sweetbitterspicy IMHO feel the main loss of shamanism in China was due to Buddhism and later confuscianism.Chinese have always been more..practical than the others like Koreans and Japanese.This is why religion was'nt really a big crowd puller in ancient(or modern)china.Indians are the total extreme end of this spectrum with our total otherworldliness,when we were rich back in the good old days and when we are developing in modern times.Koreans are inbetween.Although evidence suggests otherwise
cillantro 4 days ago
@cillantro However, I learned that even then the trolls are a definite minority. Most of them post on Chinese websites like weibo, tudou and youku far away from international eyes in Chinese (the only language most of these ignorants can speak). Many times, they are challenged by fellow Chinese who can't stand these morons. In a way, they mirror their Japanese counterparts, who post only in Japanese videos in Japanese. The important thing is that most of us are sick of these trolls.
sweetbitterspicy 3 days ago
@sweetbitterspicy contd....I believe christianity has caught on like a forest fire in Korea...22% are already affected with jesus madness.I am not against Christians are Islam or any of those.I just believe that these my god is the true god religions are operated like corporations.On a subscriber/profit/payout basis...one can say they are run like franchises.Just look and you will observe.Did you know that Hinduism/shamanism/Shinto has no conversion to it?Cultures need to be saved from others!!!
cillantro 4 days ago
@cillantro Koreans are awesome. They are some of the warmest people I know. No one has a right to look down them. Truly sad to hear how these people are discriminated, I'm Asian American, so I know how it feels not to belong and be considered 2nd class citizen. That's the reason why overseas Asians are close.
Long ago, territories and people were very different than they are today. Korea definitely lost much territory but history and politics shouldn't affect our views of people.
sweetbitterspicy 6 days ago
@sweetbitterspicy I gather you are an american Chinese,right?Just FYI my favourite countries include Hong Kong,Macau,Taiwan(Formosa) etc....shows what the Chinese are capable of,given the right resources and environment to develop themselves.Very capable people the east asians!Cultural pedigree/background/continuity is a very often overlooked aspect in human development(materialistically) but I believe there is a strong corollation.I also feel china does'nt need humanitarian aid anymore but FDI!
cillantro 6 days ago
@cillantro It's a shame that not many Chinese know about India. The fenqing (nationalist trolls) are some of the worst representatives of Chinese, and if you encounter them, I'll have to apologize for their ignorance and insolence. Those of us who are more into the different cultures of the world can appreciate the beauty that is India.
What China needs is people like Mahatma Gandhi. Or this man:
watch?v=-S74HuDIRa4
I'm afraid CCP and materialistic ambition has changed our culture.
sweetbitterspicy 4 days ago
@sweetbitterspicy You see,the shame is not that many Chinese/Asians know not much about India but that they hear all wrong info which is biased and not balanced.Most of it is from missionary/anti-Indian groups(which includes most Indians too).There are very few Indians who have a factual look and unbiased analysis of India,its culture,sensitivities,history.Such people are branded communal & outcasted in India.Acting like a goody two shoes is easy
Here is a true Indian hero!
watch?v=GpiYBh6nP0s
cillantro 4 days ago
@cillantro Thanks for the link to the video. Dr Swamy is truly a respectable man. Such forward thinking men are a rare sight to behold in any nation and very valuable to any country. If we had such a man in China, he would be very brave indeed.
Actually, 98 Indonesian Race Riots was a result of unemployment and political intrigue. The case where Chinese make up a fraction of the country's population but own a chunk of the country's wealth is one of the most common reasons why.
sweetbitterspicy 3 days ago
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cillantro 3 days ago
@sweetbitterspicy Well I don't know about China,but India needs much more Subramaniya Swami's.But this man would never have a political career considering he is brahmin and India is unjustifiably anti-brahmin.Anyways..China needs a Meiji,a Syngman Rhee,a Deng xiaoping..wait you had that last one!The next leap forward is NOT democracy.That can wait.India is suffering due to democracy.Never before has country so poor,diverse had democracy.India is an experiment gone wrong like Dr.Moreau's Island
cillantro 3 days ago
@cillantro However, our relationship wasn't always like this. During the 80s relations were very warm and we both had very high opinions of the other. However, times have changed. However, I feel Korea deserves to have an affinity with Japan like 80s Sino-Japanese relations.
Perhaps one day, Hatoyama's vision along with WJB and LMB of an East Asian fraternity can finally materialize, one where we can work "hand-in-hand for the sustainable development of the world". Let peace prevail
sweetbitterspicy 2 days ago
@sweetbitterspicy ...contd...but tribal people would have to be smart to survie and pass their genes on...reasons include tribal warfare,endemics,forest animals and so on.Therefore according to the logic of Jared Diamond,author of "Guns,Germs and steel" the inuit of the arctic,aborigines of Australia,tribals of papua new guinea and ofcourse africans are generally capable of being more smarter than you me or some white/arab guy ;)
Sound logically factual to me too,does'nt it?Factually accurate..
cillantro 2 days ago
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@cillantro Look at China today, a society that has been relatively cut off from the rest of the world and in poverty/pollution would be performing in less than ideal conditions. Chinese living in US, Canada,Taiwan, Singapore, HK,UK, Australia do remarkably well. In fact, Chinese living in SEA countries almost always outperform the locals. If you look @ SK-NK, you'd see a pattern here. Japan is another (perhaps the best) testament of Mongoloid superiority.
Jarod Diamond is uncredible.
sweetbitterspicy 1 day ago
@sweetbitterspicy Exactly,what we need is an asian union of mutual values,rather than mutual currency...we know how that one ended up ;)
This should be for free trade,common defence/security and greater harmony amongst the denizens of our great and ancient continent...besides this is going to be an asian century.Hope china learns from the past mistakes of others like Japan,germany and remain smart enough to merely enrich its people and keep off trouble.The world is a large place afterall!LOL
cillantro 2 days ago
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@cillantro Typo in my last post. Was meant to say WOMEN, despite the stereotype, we're not homosexual, :)
A pedomorphic civilization means that society is so advanced that it is able to get rid of unnecessary bulk and start using our head. Mongoloid females display more pedomorphy than any other human because they can afford to. The men were able to provide to their needs so that they didn't have to do hard physically demanding and dangerous duties like fighting and hunting.
sweetbitterspicy 1 day ago
@sweetbitterspicy Still most of the bulk in women is due to child rearing and other hormonal reasons...in most societies women literally sat on their arses and let men do all the work...right from ancient times to modern days.Only hunter gatherer/nomad women moved a bit more and that too was non-exciting.I guess diet/exercise/society plays a huge role in asian females being the way they are...but truth be told asian women(korean esp) have thunder thighs(I am not making fun,I am an admirer ;) )!!
cillantro 1 day ago
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@cillantro Eskimos are more outgoing and like meeting people. Curiosity is often a hallmark of cognitive ability. The Thule people (proto-Inuit) once faced off against the Dorset/Norse (vikings) and successfully outcompeted them, driving them off from the land. Inuit were far more advanced than the vikings, both were adept hunters, but the Inuit knew the land, were better armed and were more resourceful, cooperative than the Dorset.
Similarly the Huns and Mongols terrorized Europe.
sweetbitterspicy 1 day ago
@sweetbitterspicy I don't think just because the Inuits faced off vikings they could be considered smarter,as hunter gatherers they were bound to know every square kilometer of their land as opposed to the adventurous vikings.Vikings were farmers TBH not hunter-gatherers.Inuits were hunters and would have therefore been better at long range fighting.Nomadic barbarians had terrorised civilised people through millenia,before missiles nomads had a logistic advantage as they lived off the land u knw
cillantro 1 day ago
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@cillantro So where does this all tie in? It ties in a world where people of all color can work together for each other. It's ultimately a fulfilment of M.L King's dream.
I hope China prioritizes her peaceful rise. The first step is to free Tibet and East Turkestan. The next, most important step is to reconcile and form solid friendship with Japan (most important trade partner) and SK, and the rest of Asia. Finally, she should cooperate and act responsibly with the rest of the world.
sweetbitterspicy 1 day ago
@sweetbitterspicy Well I don't know about east Turkerstan but Tibet needs freedom.So does inner mongolia.
cillantro 1 day ago
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@cillantro Hey bro, sorry I can't give you the full reply again. I'll try to give a good response tomorrow.
And I'm truly grateful and appreciate you took the time to read all I wrote. What a great guy :)
sweetbitterspicy 3 hours ago
@cillantro I feel the most important thing in Asia is for all our countries to coexist and live in peace. Japan is one step ahead of us here. You see, for Japan, her most important step is mending and strengthning relations with China, but sadly for China, she needs to seriously handle her own internal affairs first (Tibet, Xinjiang) before concentrating on her close neighbors.
For this reason, India and Japan deserve a seat in the UNSC and lead Asia. China is just not ready yet.
sweetbitterspicy 3 days ago
@sweetbitterspicy For Japan it is not just about mending relationship with China,they already have a very good working relationship.Did you know,only Japanese citizens are allowed into the chinese mainland visa free?Chinese see Yen in the Japanese not zen;)
The Japanese need to work on mending relations with the Koreans who were more affected by the Japanese occupation than China.Take the issue of comfort women,the formation of North/South korea(part of american/commie troublemaking) and so on!
cillantro 3 days ago
@sweetbitterspicy I thought that user was a chinese,thats why I brought this china is a shithole thing up...don't take it personally.I have goodwill for all the people of asia and in a broader context all the people of the world.cheers
cillantro 1 week ago
@cillantro No offense done, I was merely curious. I read what he typed and well, what goes around comes around. While he was correct that Chinese, Japanese and Koreans are racially and culturally more linked to each other than any other people in the world, Indians are definitely not "mud race".
I read your earlier discussion (about inferiority complex) and also your blog and you strike me as being intelligent and interesting to talk to. Wished I could write and think as well as you.
sweetbitterspicy 6 days ago
@sweetbitterspicy I agree Chinese,Koreans,Vietnamese etc may be related to each other ethnically/culturally but I am sceptical about the Japanese.The reason I say this is because the invading nomadic foresters of central asia entered China and Korea too.There must have been a LOT of genetic splicing with them(mongols) I think.But as we know Ghengis khan and later Kublai too failed in their invasion of Japan,thanks to a storm called the..kamikaze!Therefore the Japs are closest to the first asians
cillantro 6 days ago
@sweetbitterspicy Also just because some people were linked culturally in the past,it does'nt need to ring true with regards to affinity in the present.Take the instance of how Indians are not really loved in modern South east asia or even bali...butr as a matter of fact,they were all part of the Indosphere in ancient times! Most SE asians,sadly probably don't even know this.
cillantro 6 days ago
@cillantro Wow, thanks for an awesome reply. Wished I could write back. I'll be writing a longer piece tomorrow or maybe day after when I have time. Sorry about that, friend.
sweetbitterspicy 5 days ago
@sweetbitterspicy NP Yo!
cillantro 5 days ago
@cillantro However, despite what some people say, I know Japanese don't hate "Chinese" but the Chinese government. I guess China's neighbors share similar sentiments. I never knew Indians weren't well liked in SEA. Did you face the same thing the Chinese faced? About 15 years ago, Indonesians carried out a race riot, killing as many Chinese as possible. Females, even as young as 12 were mercilessly raped or murdered. I found out that Chinese massacring was quite rampant in SEA countrs
sweetbitterspicy 4 days ago
@cillantro Hmm actually Viets are considered the odd man out of East Asian mongoloid. I learnt that they spent much of their history fending off Chinese Northern Invaders. They were under Chinese rule for 1000 years and only managed to break free around 10th century. South Chinese are quite close to Vietnamese genetically, in fact they are an intermediate step between North and South Mongoloid.
sweetbitterspicy 4 days ago
@cillantro As for the Japanese, they had significant influence and intermixing with Koreans and Chinese in history, but I do agree with you in that they are very unique. It's definitely wrong to say are they're basically Koreans etc. A very high Jomon component in their genes is noted, but there is a video on youtube that shows Japanese genetic sequence is around 50% Chinese+Korean. Prior to the Mongol invasions, there was significant contact and influence between Japan and China.
sweetbitterspicy 4 days ago
@sweetbitterspicy Also, apart from anthropologists and geneticists grouping them together, it's very interesting that C,J,K,V also share similar characteristics to the Inuit/Yupiit. For instance, a bluish spot (Mongolian spot) occurs when babies are born. Children are carried on the back and mothers have this habit of kissing babies with their noses.
Shamanism still is practiced by Yupiit, Koreans and Japanese people, but has been long lost among Chinese people.
sweetbitterspicy 4 days ago
@sweetbitterspicy I think the natives of Taiwan(not those who moved in the 15th century alone)but the actual Taiwanese aborigines(also mongoloid,but with grey eyes?)follow some form of shamanism.Japanese shamanism is called shinto.In India too there are non-hindu tribalistic/shamanistic religions,although they are under attack from missionaries.
I feel tai-chi is a very cool aspect of shamanism from ancient china in modern times.European/arabian paganism is dead.Zoroastrianism lives on in India
cillantro 4 days ago
@cillantro And because of that, the Chinese aren't a pure race. The Japanese and Koreans have preserved more of their original form and customs because of factors such as geography. You are right, I also believe Japanese are closest to the first Asians
Basically, E Asian genetic distance looks like this:
J--K-C---V
We're culturally/ethnically interconnected most closely with each other however.
sweetbitterspicy 4 days ago
@sweetbitterspicy BTW if you believe chinese are'nt a pure race....I would only say this,being a pure race but believing otherwise(like most Indians) can be much more dangerous than being non-homogenous(like China) but believing in a single culture/race theory.Foreigners have played havoc in India.It is a damaged country/culture beyond repair unfortunately.The land of Arthasastra/Harappa-Mohenjedaro/kamasutra/ is now under victorian era britain/Islamic codes of morals/ethics.Very prudish TBH! :0
cillantro 4 days ago
@cillantro As it is, those who actually suffered during the war have a right to be resentful and consequently, perhaps their direct descendents and nobody else. The interesting thing is that many of the surviving victims have actually forgiven the Japanese and don't hold a grudge against the current Japanese, although there are those that still do. I feel the nationalistic trolls are using the war for their own personal agenda and self interests. The Japanese aren't to blame.
sweetbitterspicy 3 days ago
@cillantro Looks can be deceiving, and many people are tricked by these usually non Chinese/Japanese shit stirrers, and then the fighting starts. That's the norm.
The most insensitive and disgusting comments to either side usually come from outsiders because it's easy to make disparaging remarks hiding behind another identity and belonging to neither ethnic. Unfortunately, some Chinese are naive enough to believe them and some Chinese racists take this opportunity to begin their tirade.
sweetbitterspicy 3 days ago
@cillantro In short, in reality true Japanese and Chinese nationalists would only participate in areas that use their own language and where their people are majority. Most are smart enough not to make idiots of themselves and if they overact, they are most likely not what they claim to be.
However, I don't think most fenqing boast of being superior to Japan. They might say Japan originated from China, but can't deny and even admire the strengths, beauty and culture of that amazing country
sweetbitterspicy 3 days ago
@cillantro Chinese trolls are far more likely to look down on other countries than Japan (whom they prefer to view as of higher quality, cruel and arrogant).
However, the average Japanese and Chinese (less so and sadly decreasing) tends to be humble in nature and quite uncomfortable with praise. We both are proud of our cultures, perhaps more than anyone else, but prefer not to go around others videos saying "we are teh best, you guys are teh suck" :) Beware the foreign troll is my motto :)
sweetbitterspicy 3 days ago
@sweetbitterspicy Beware the foreign troll?LOL....thats a very different motto...anyways what does that mean?That you should'nt be aware of chinese trolls?Beware of "trolls-regardless of ethnicity"should be your motto.Anyway its your motto not mine.BTW I don't think India deserves a seat at the UNSC,then every country with a large pop will ask for proportional representation.It will be like providing countries/continents a reward for increasing their population while the world needs the opposite
cillantro 3 days ago
@cillantro Sometimes, a video's comments are not what it seems. Until recently, I wasn't aware of foreigners pretending to be Chinese/Japanese to stir the pot, until I saw some sites where foreign Ch posers were caught in the act. Asian interwebs is scarily different from western ones, and in China, let's just say it's extra dangerous and tracking down these trolls is not uncommon. I've also noticed in many Asian oriented sites, it's usually an outsider who opens provocative threads.
sweetbitterspicy 2 days ago
@cillantro These outsiders would typically hide behind a different identity, and the threads are usually titled "Why do Chinese hate Japanese (and vice versa)?" or what does one think of the other. That's how most comments in videos roll from my observations. Some naive Chinese/Japanese then take the bait and all hell breaks lose. In the internet it's hard to tell who's who, but especially cruel, persistent and rude comments are usually by them, and these are the trolls I speak off.
sweetbitterspicy 2 days ago
@cillantro They (usually Chinese) then play into the hands of these trolls and make videos like this in response:
watch?v=qJ8UfZXuGzw
Trying to justify the behavior of resentful Chinese is foolish imo as the trolls aren't really interested in the real reasons why conflict between the two exists and might purposely favor one side over the other. They just want to see it. I wished I could explain and help you give a feel. I respect Indians like you for being objective and respectful.
sweetbitterspicy 2 days ago
@cillantro There are many reasons why they do this. But IMO the most obvious reason is inferiority and jealousy to BOTH Japanese and Chinese. Note even with Chinese racists, Japan is actually favored over other countries and viewed with more respect. Most Chinese don't consider themselves superior to Japanese but maybe to others
When talking about nationalists, things get very complicated. It's actually a 3-way triangle among Asian nationalists. Rest assured, they don't represent us.
sweetbitterspicy 2 days ago
@cillantro The base character of Chinese is supposed to be humble and collectivist. During the older village days, richer Chinese would give what extra they had to poorer people. We'd help each other out and take care of others children while the parents were away. In short, we'd look out for each other. Nowadays, such unsung heroes isn't what China is known for. During the SEA diaspora, most of us would quietly and politely respect the natives even if they disrespected or hurt us.
sweetbitterspicy 4 days ago
@sweetbitterspicy Dude but I think the grouse that SEA asians have is related to history,you know how the chinese subjugated and humiliated them with the tributaries system.Ofcourse the past should not determine how we treat the people of the present.This collectivism is what I like about east asians.Never do you hear chinese/Koreans/Japanese talking bad about their cultures/ways(there is bad/good everywhere) but with Indians it is almost fashinable to be self loathing(about India thats is)..LOL
cillantro 4 days ago
@cillantro But there could also be some historical causes. But it seems the rich-poor gap is the biggest reason. It's quite understandable for natives to be upset over any minority doing better than them financially. Especially if this minority raises dubious questions as regards loyalty. Chinese migrants have a reputation for being disloyal to the country they live in.
Another factor was the spread of communism, so locals were worried this idea would spread politically via Chinese.
sweetbitterspicy 3 days ago
@cillantro It's very encouraging to see these heroes still live in India. Some Chinese boast of huge economy and great military but the latter is something that I'm NOT proud of at all. In fact, I envy India has people like Gandhi and Buddha but China doesn't. When I read of the 50 Fukushima heroes, I felt so proud for Japan and I wished my country too could have 50 such brave men. Inspite of our differences, there are times when both our countries did remarkable things for the other.
sweetbitterspicy 4 days ago
@cillantro While it's true that China is a huge, and there's no such thing as a true Chinese (we vary hugely from region to region, even character can be different) I think one thing we do share along with the Japanese and Koreans is our sense of community. We tend to be community driven and many would sacrifice themselves for the country and not want to "lose face" by shaming it.
There's another trait common among Chinese and Japanese that we learnt from Indians. (Cont)
sweetbitterspicy 4 days ago
@cillantro (Cont.) That is a quiet pride for our country and culture. We very rarely boast to others that we are no.1 even if we may think so. We prefer to keep it among ourselves and discuss it with ourselves. You'd rarely see any of us go to another nation's video and try to bring them down saying we're better. If we do succeed in something, it's never good enough. Still much room for improvement.
I also find South and East Asians are also quite modest and uncomfortable with praise
sweetbitterspicy 4 days ago
@sweetbitterspicy Well I would just say that there are many nationalistic mainland trolls on unrelated videos about Japan(tourism/cartoons/music for example) saying how china is this and that,how the japs would have to face the past and so on.I am like come the fuck on! ost of the Japanese of ww2 are dead.Today's innocents are not the nationalists who formed the Japanese empire.Its kinda retarded.collectivist karma does'nt exist regardless of the level of tribalism in the people involved you knw
cillantro 4 days ago
@cillantro However, I think targetting women,children and elderly is wrong. In the same way, I feel deeply ashamed when these Chinese trolls start their talks of divine retribution, revenge, etc. It's just wrong, the correct target was the IJA which is long gone. These people are not just offensive to the Japanese (and to outsiders, people like you) but to the Chinese as well by constantly bringing up issues those affected would rather lay buried.
sweetbitterspicy 3 days ago
@sweetbitterspicy well the imeprial Japanese army would not have inflicted any atrocity that my ancestors have not seen or been through.Please check out the meaning of "Hindu Kush" mountains.Read on the bahamani sultans who killed hindus for sport.Indians(people like me esp) were outsiders,kaffirs(under mughal rule) and later secondary citizens(under british raj rule) in OUR OWN LAND for a thousand years.I believe it is our weakness that destroys us..foreign invaders are a manifestation of that.
cillantro 3 days ago
@cillantro However, if you feel troubled too much, I'm here to help. It's my responsiblity. You could link me to the videos where racist Chinese are running amok, I'll try to explain to you the situation, parties involved and report offensive commentators. East Asians are good at telling the nature of posts, whether they are our own or someone else.
When speaking about the atrocities of the IJA, I think the combination of it being recent (survivors still alive) is to blame.
sweetbitterspicy 2 days ago
@cillantro Also, improper education and handling of the situation. We should teach our children "never again", to remember, but also forgive. All our ancestors, from every nation "for our tomorrow, gave their today" and I'm sure our deceased relatives wouldn't want us to live in hate and conflict. They want peace, and that's what Japanese and us Chinese want more than anything else in this world.
It might sound strange to you, but your words are quite inspiring to me. India suffered
sweetbitterspicy 2 days ago
@cillantro more than any country and is no stranger to brutal oppression.
However, Korea and Japan have come a long way in reconciling, Korean culture is very popular in Japan and they are militarily and politically closely tied. During the 03/11 Earthquakes, SK was one of the 5 countries Japan personally asked for help. Granted, SK and China were the first countries that offered help to Japan I guess you could say we have made much progress.
Hower I agree with what a Japanese said.
sweetbitterspicy 2 days ago
@cillantro She longed for the day when Koreans, Chinese and Japanese could come together and overcome the past. The day when we could talk normally and call each other true friends. Needless to say, I was deeply moved.
It was actually Japanese officials who talked of the great importance of maintaining and improving relations with China. You see, China is the one country that is most hostile to Japan, more than SK which has progressed much more IMO
We need to put stop our bickering
sweetbitterspicy 2 days ago
@sweetbitterspicy Yeah well,china is still a developing country unlike wealthy South Korea,taiwan etc..so they do have that tag and inferiority complex wrt to Japan especially and regards to their past with it.Education will improve things though.As you said forgive but not forget.About survivors,I can tell you that survivors of the Mopillah riots,survivors of the carnage that took place during partition still live.Whats worse?They(Mughals,christians) have disfigured Indian society beyond repair
cillantro 2 days ago
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@cillantro @cillantro Japanese seldom intermarry, but if they do, they tend to marry Chinese, Filipinos, Koreans and Americans in roughly that order. I'd actually like to see the statistics for China and Korea too, more out of curiosity if anything. It's interesting to note that Asian males aren't all that interested in videos/media of white MEN but white people are VERY interested in watching videos/media of Asian females. Perhaps we are quite satisfied with our own women :)
sweetbitterspicy 1 day ago
@sweetbitterspicy I heard the latest trend amongst Indian men in China is to marry chinese women.They find Indian women attractive(equally if not more) but there are aforementioned complexities associated with Indian women.Besides nowadays there is a lot of non-conformity/iconoclausm in India....Besides yes,we asians LOVEEE our women!
Lots of Indians marrying Koreans,Japanese in their native countries..must be because most of the Indians going to these countries are educated-white collars..hmmm
cillantro 1 day ago
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@cillantro Most anthropologists put Mongoloids at the top of the evolutionary chain for various reasons.
Recently, it was shown that East Asian mongoloids had the highest IQ out of any other race. They possessed a higher cognitive ability and Rushton stated:
"Lynn (1991) found that representative Asian schoolchildren from Hong Kong and Japan were faster in reaction time than were similar White children who, in turn, were faster than were similar Black children from South Africa."
sweetbitterspicy 1 day ago
@sweetbitterspicy All I can say is WOW, both of you are so detailed and intellectual, I'm afraid I come short. It's like one great wall of text after another. Not going to dabble too much, since most of the points concur with mine. Anyways, there's no need for bringing in this Mongoloid, Caucasoid scientific research, papers and academia to prove a very obvious point. East Asian countries, Japan, Korea and China and closely related both as a race and culture.
Irri739 1 day ago
@sweetbitterspicy What I think is we shouldn't take this which nation gets along with which nation, who is related to who so seriously. We should learn history and learn from it, but not be tied down to it. Just watch Hetalia, it's light-hearted fun and would make most nationalists feel foolish.
There's one thing I seriously need to inform you about though, and that's about Chinese trolls/nationalists. I think these people are disgusting and would even resort to faking info.
Irri739 1 day ago
@sweetbitterspicy just to get their way. Remember the Chinese Bullet train crash? Well, what happened was a bunch of these clowns decided to deceive the Chinese public by posting an article of how a Japanese anchorwoman giggled when reading the news of the casualty. It was later found to be photoshopped and they used a fake photo in another event.
To see a disgraceful Chinese troll in action, just follow this link:
watch?v=JRZW2UcWwkM
I see that people say he's Malay though.
Irri739 1 day ago
@sweetbitterspicy Either way, do feel free to handle this "CENSORED FOR BEING TOO OFFENSIVE". The uploader, shiggy is a great guy, very friendly and very witty. He's a good sport. Don't worry, feel free to comment, subscribe, watch. He doesn't bite.
A Canadian homie, he has to be Canadian because we rock ^ ^. He played Deadliest Warrior so watch the series. You might spot him ninjaing away. Man, I'm such a great salesman. Contradiction to your Asians are humble theory, eh?
Irri739 1 day ago
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@Irri739 Hmm I'll get back to you tomorrow maybe. Thanks for letting me know ugh. =(
sweetbitterspicy 1 day ago
@sweetbitterspicy reaction times may have to do with lesser bulk.Besides were pygmie/aborigine children interviewed?I guess not,lynn would'nt really take the trouble to travel the bushes/jungles of africa/papua new guinea would he?Anyway I think the pedomophy you mention could do with the fact that wherever homo-sapien travelled from the cradle of life(rift valley-congo)they comingled with the native proto-humans,in europe it was the neanderthals,in asian the flores man and so on.Performance in.
cillantro 1 day ago
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@cillantro He also found that Asian (mongoloid) Americans/Canadians/Australians typically had lower crime rates, had higher income, better education, were more law abiding and less wasteful. He also proves your observation that mental/marital functioning and durability was stronger among Asians. They were the racial group least likely to divorce. His views of the evolutionary chain were technically Mongoloid > Caucasoid > Negroid.
Of course environmental factors are crucial as well.
sweetbitterspicy 1 day ago
@sweetbitterspicy ..contd..Asian(mongolodi) kids fare better at school not coz they have a higher IQ but coz they spend more time studying.Similar kids from say an obscure tribe in central africa who just moved to the west would place lesser value on education.Asians value education,work,money etc...and lesser crime rates could do with the outcasting system.Asians involved in nefarious actvities would be outcasted and in tight knit overseas societies it is even easier to identify and brand them.
cillantro 1 day ago
@sweetbitterspicy Look at the street gangs of Korea,triad of china,yakuza of japan,gangs from SEasia and so on..these criminals continue to other parts of the world too...why would these exist if mongoloids were all goody two shoes?Besides a society is gauged by how well they perform at home..most of the immigrants are people who are talented or educated or wealthy..the creamy elite/desirable of society.If you look at legal/non-refugee immigrants from africa they would perform as well as chinese
cillantro 1 day ago
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@cillantro By uncredible, I mean he is criticized by various other academics, including Philippe Rushton. In fact, I've even seen Asian scholars consider Jared Diamond a farce. I read somewhere that he was more interested in selling a good story than looking at the truth. In particular, his article about Australian Aborigines was concluded factually inaccurate.
Note that even among tribesmen, there is a difference. Inuit-Yupiit are considered far more advanced than Aborigines/Papuans
sweetbitterspicy 1 day ago
@sweetbitterspicy Well first off,I read Jared's book and sugegst you do too.This would not hurt our asian pride,trust me.He explains his observations on credible facts.When someone writes something like this,he is bound to be criticized.That is the job of academics.He did'nt really write much about australian aborigines.His writings/book had more to do with the bushmen of papua new guinea,the president of whose republic put forward to him a querstion.."why did the whites bring cargo and not us?"
cillantro 1 day ago
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@cillantro The feelings of Chinese is very complexed. It's very difficult to compare a peasant population that has relatively little education and exposure to the outside world, or one that has been brainwashed by the Japanese threat propaganda in their education. However, Chinese who have access to the same facilities as other first world countries definitely don't have any inferiority regarding Japan. Most of us simply admire them and some hardcore nationalists even respect them.
sweetbitterspicy 1 day ago
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@cillantro Basically, it's very difficult to feel inferior to people so similar to you. Respect maybe. A Pole wouldn't feel inferior to a Russian. Brit wouldn't feel inferior to French.
Being narrow minded is wrong.When my older sister decided to marry a Japanese man, my parents being conservative strongly objected to this. However, they did a 180 turn when they met their granddaughter. She's lovely.
Most Chinese I know who actually met Japanese changed their minds and liked them.
sweetbitterspicy 1 day ago
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@cillantro I know of a Chinese woman in charge of a Chinese Culture school in Ontario whose extremely proud of her heritage. One would expect her and her family to have savage hate for the Japanese. However, to my surprise, she has many sister/brother-in-laws who are Japanese and speaks well of them. She's also organized and sponsored many East Asian youth and cultural exchanges and events.
It just goes to show that with proper education, exposure and communication, we can get along.
sweetbitterspicy 1 day ago
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@cillantro Wow, my comments have all been marked as spam. How do you like that, huh? Sorry.
sweetbitterspicy 1 day ago
@sweetbitterspicy Yes the Japanese are real sweethearts!Very polite and maybe that wins hearts more than anything else.
No problemo mate! It sucks that your comments have been marked as spam...just coz people feel differently they should argue not use such tactics.Don't worry about them,I opened each and every comment to reply to you!Cheers
cillantro 1 day ago
@cillantro ....ctd -> probably the people long ago had the same civilization, then when they were 'divided' and went to different places, they still had the same cultures but as time went by, they developed their own cultures. this is only what i think might happen, but it's quite logical right? my knowledge about world history is just little. nonetheless, i wish to share my view which i think quite logical. 2cents...
kickmyask82 9 months ago
si mi da, si mi da . LOL
darrent1000 11 months ago
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All of you are racist
jan8919 11 months ago
omg that's so cool O.O so they can speak both korean and chinese? flawlessly? O.O
ImOnFireAhhh 1 year ago
There are 56 ethnic groups in China, so should they split China into 56 different countries? We have to admit that the modern world has already become a political world, the importance of culture is decreasing quickly. The fact is, the more powerful military will win, the weak ones lose. I hate to see this happening, but sadly it is. Koreans and Han Chinese have been mixing for centuries, who is there to find out who is actually what. We can't tell. Look at President Obama, he's mixed too.
sweetsf4life 1 year ago
@sweetsf4life many koreans and non-chinese think china wants to claim n & s korean land by claiming a foreign population and culture as part of chinese culture. the fact is, china do not have to include koreans into the 56 ethnic groups because they are not indigenous to china whereas the 55 are.
anbncejksg 1 year ago
@anbncejksg
The same can apply to South Korea, can Korea apply ethnic Chinese as part of Korean culture and nation? No because first Korea is homogeneous, in fact the most homogeneous in world, secondly, they are minorities, not part of Korean nationhood, etc.
asadal123 1 year ago
@sweetsf4life hong kong, korea & japan are mostly homogenous and carry 90%+ indigenous ethnic groups. in exactly the same manner, china do not have to accept non-indigenous ethnics into china in order to be successful.
anbncejksg 1 year ago
@sweetsf4life
mixing for centuries?? No, Korean population have been recorded as early as Han dynasty. But archeleogically, ethnic Koreans had been in modern China since neolithic era.
asadal123 1 year ago
Yanbian is Chinese property and Korean Chinese are proud to have the Chinese nationailty and to be a part of the 56 ethnic groups in the People's Republic of China.
FarewelI 1 year ago