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  • Galloway is an idiot

  • 4: 14 " The State should not be active in the economy according to Thatcherite`s like her and you " Reply, " Well that`s not true, The State has always got a role in any economy, Nobody would deny that " Er ? Try the fucking Tory cunts for the entire 1980`s

  • Its obvious now from the sound of this guys voice trying to outclass george galloway that we may very well be dealing with a trainspotter

  • Thatcher must be the most hated ex PM we ever had.

  • Margaret Thatcher was a horrible woman, but she was undeniably sexy...

  • If Galloway ran the country like he ran his talk shows he would be on a par with Kim Jong il, someone who also does not give his people a voice. Its really pathetic, u give him a pedestal and he grasps it and abuses it, how the hell can folk respect that? I don't believe Thatcher was right at everything, far from it, it was completely wrong to go from being overdependent on heavy industry to overdependent on finance, why cant there be a happy medium? A mixed economy!

  • LOVE GALLOWAY !!!!!!!!

  • Galloway is jenkem.

  • Mr. Dale is a typical cry baby conservative who feels the world is such and so because they say it is, history is such and so because they say it is. Facts never get in the way of the truth. Thatcher was a genius at convincing people reality was hers alone to define.

  • Our falklands? You mean Argentina's. It's no where near us and as a result should not be governed by us.

  • @Mox85 Except the people there don't want to be ruled by the Argentines...

  • @Mox85 Let us have hispanics rule the world shall we?

  • OUR? falklands? 

  • I love Thatcher only for reclaiming our Falklands island's. I like George for destroying live on air this puffy public school boy faggot!

  • @P1mpMyBr1de Don't use language like that. Be civil.

  • Sorry, must have drank a bad pint.

  • Once upon a time we had politicians who stood up for the people. Now we have shades of sky blue and pink otherwise known as Labour and Conservatives and a few far right nut cases running about the streets.

  • The Marxist ideology is one of selfishness and greed, where the state can own everything and control the population. If Mr Galloway can give the name of a single communist leader who has put himself up for election and given power to the people, then I will pay him a trillion pounds.

  • i never thought i would hate anyone more than thatcher ,but galloway has proved me wrong ..die in pain you scottish cunt

  • Dale is an anti-scottish racist.I read his blog for a laugh.

  • oh i love it when george gets cranky!!!!

  • Remember that Galloway is a Proven Liar and a Communist Fascist.

    ..

  • @Soloman1001 there is no such thing as a Communist Fascist.

  • @blackmichael75

    Yes there is such a thing look at North Korea, Communist Fascists.Fascism can be both left or right, give me some examples of rightwing fascists.

  • @Soloman1001 the North Korean regime is not fascist, it is described as "a totalitarian Stalinist regime". That may be just as bad as fascism, but it is different. Right wing fascists: Hitler, Himmler, Mussolini, Franco, etc.

    I think the word you want is "authoritarian". Regimes of the right and left can certainly both be authoritarian, but it's a mistake to call Communism fascistic, or Fascism communistic, even if in other ways they resemble one another. 

  • @blackmichael75

    So Nazis in other words. Do you know what NAZI stands for? Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National Socialist German Workers’ Party). How are Socialists Rightwing pray tell?

    Communism doesnt exist nor ever has, quasi communism is referred to as communism, extremist leftwing socialist ideologies ARE authoritarian.

  • @Soloman1001 George Orwell has a good definition of fascism: "a form of capitalism that adopts just as much socialism features as make it effective for war purposes." Yes the Nazis CALLED themselves Socialist, to broaden their appeal in Germany. But they were Not socialist in any meaningful sense. Socialism has this defintion; the means of production owned and controlled by the government or the workers. In Nazi Germany, the means of production were still in the hands of the rich, and class

  • @blackmichael75

    Hitler was a Socialist. Hitler was anti capitalist and anti western and anti jewish, he was rightwing at all.

    Explain how Hitler was rightwing when he was anti capitalist? thats why he started killing the jews, because they were capitalists.

  • @Soloman1001 No, Hitler was a FASCIST. His attacks on "finance capitalism" were just thinly veiled anti-semitism. As for the Jews, they had a very strong leftwing and socialist tradition and the first people rounded up by the Nazis and sent to camps were in fact socialists. Most of the rich Jews were able to escape Europe and most of the Jews who died in concentration camps were poor. Please check your facts.

  • @Soloman1001 (cont) relations were much the same as before. So, it's incorrect to say that Nazism was left wing. It's more accurate to say that it was a basically capitalist system with SOME socialistic features.

  • @Soloman1001" extremist leftwing socialist ideologies are authoritarian". No, not at all. There is such a thing as libertarian socialism, stateless socialism, ie, anarchism!

  • @blackmichael75

    Such a things as Libertarian and Stateless Socialism and Anarchism, Where do these exist?

  • @Soloman1001 all over the world and all throughout history. Anarchism has a very rich history, going back to at least the mid nineteenth century in its current form, and there were currents in history that prefigured it. If you want a concrete example though of anarcho-syndicalism, look at Spain in 1936.

  • @blackmichael75

    North korea is a quasi communist fascist country, anyone can tell you that. Stalin was also a quasi communist, as was hitler, there was very little difference between the two of them.

  • @Soloman1001 again, a more accurate word than "fascist" in all these examples is simply "authoritarian". I agree with you that there is very little difference between Hitler and Stalin, but there is SOME nominal ideological difference. Fascism believes in elitism and inequality, communism believes in anti-elitism and equality. So they are in fact diametrically opposed.

    And, the woman pictured above is a classic example of a right-wing authoritarian, and so is her pal Pinochet.

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  • @Soloman1001 well, obviously, Nazism, Italian fascism, Franco's falangism, etc. All these were basically far-right (although they no doubt had some influences from socialism). What makes them right wing is a belief in racial nationalism coupled with inequality; that one elitist group should rule over others.

  • @blackmichael75

    Elitist group? Is that why Hitler admired islam and created a muslim SS division then?

    In germany i think you will find that everything was still controlled by the Nazis, there may have been some private ownership but is was still controlled by the nazis. Even Goebbels stated that there was very little difference between Lenin and Hitler. I like to go with the argument that if you call yourself a Sicialist then you probably are one, hehe.

  • @Soloman1001 No. If we're going to taxonomise at all, then we have to be really careful about definitions. Socialism: the means of production owned and controlled by the state or the workers. Communism; a classless society in which a money system has been abolished. Neither of these was the case in Nazi Germany. They had private ownership of the means of production and a market economy. Rich men had ltittle to fear unless they were Jews.

  • @blackmichael75

    There is no such thing as communism, they were quasi communists, just like Stalinists. Are you saying that Hitler didnt control any production in Germany, are you joking? So Brazil has a rightwing government then does it? they are socialist fascist aswell, and the rich men have even less to fear there, they actually have their own rulebook, they are leftwing socialists aswell. The nazis were quasi communists and anti capitalists, thats a fact, look it up.

  • @Soloman1001 No, it isn't a fact at all. I'm going to give the definitions again, this time in capitals so you can read it clearly: SOCIALISM; THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION OWNED AND CONTROLLED BY THE STATE OR THE WORKERS. COMMUNISM, A CLASSLESS SOCIETY IN WHICH A MONEY SYSTEM HAS BEEN ABOLISHED. Did either of these things prevail in Nazi Germany? No, they did have a market economy with state control, that is NOT socialism.

  • @blackmichael75

    CONTROLLED BY THE STATE, what part of Controlled dont you understand? No one did anything in germany without Hitlers authority, including your rich elite of germans. There is no such thing as communism, nor has there ever been, its a quasi communism, the route to a communist ideology which is basically a fantasy world for leftwing fools.

  • @Soloman1001 in Nazi Germany the means of production were not OWNED AND CONTROLLED by the state or the workers, they were in PRIVATE HANDS. They had a MARKET ECONOMY with some socialistic features. Class relations were the same as they were before. Socialism implies equality, no rich and no poor. If you have rich elites and private property, you do not have socialism.

  • @blackmichael75

    They may have been in private hands but they were CONTROLLED by the state, the Nazis. Hitler inherited a system of private ownership, what was he going to do, tear it all down rebuild it then take over thw world? Was he an ageless vampire, Hitler wasnt stupid he used the system to his own advantage and the german people beliefs. He used and controlled what he had at his disposal.

  • @blackmichael75

    Hitler was clever, he used his anti communist retorhic to be different from the Stalinists, the truth is he was only slighty different, they were very similar. Hitler used the nationalist line to control the german people, he managed to kill millions of his own people in the process of caring for them in the end and obliterated germany, Stalin killed millions of his own people also. They were both leftwing and anti captialist and anti western.

  • @Soloman1001 if someone calls themselves "democratic" are they necessarily democratic? Because you should know that all sorts of dictators of the current day CALL themselves democratic.

  • @blackmichael75

    His holocaust came from the ideologies of Marx and Engles in their Political Genocide ideologies. Mass murder to accomplish your Political Aspirations, Marx and Engles, both leftwing.

  • @Soloman1001 you've never read any Marx or Engels, have you? The Holocaust had nothing to do with Marx and Engels. You're living in a fantasy world.

  • @blackmichael75

    Quote: ''The classes and the races too weak to master the new conditions of life must give way, they must perish in the revolutionary holocaust'' - Karl Marx

  • @Soloman1001 and what does that have to do with Hitler? That was a reference to a socialist revolution, not to a fascist, racist, anti-semtic regime. You're deeply confused.

  • @blackmichael75

    Explain to me how Hitler and the Nazis being anti capitalists, coud be rightwing? i am intrigued.

    And just to answer you, it goes to show how you leftwing loonies are a bunch of class loving champaigne socialist hypocrites.

  • @Soloman1001 simple. They WEREN'T anticapitalist. They talked about "heroic capitalism" etc. Please stop indulging in simplistic generalizations and cliches. These aren't even fine definitions, you're talking about completely different things.

  • @blackmichael75 Adolf Hitler stated in Mein Kampf that "the attitude of the State towards capital would be comparatively simple and clear. Its only object would be to make sure that capital remained subservient to the State".

  • @Soloman1001 that is NOT socialism. how many times do i have to give the definition? That is a kind of mixed market economy with state control. Socialism means a lot more than that. It implies equality, a classless society, an end to a money economy, an end to class relations. Capital is at least partly subservient to the state in all mixed economies, even in the United States.

  • @blackmichael75

    We are talking about quasi ideologies, there is no such thing as true communism anywhere in the world either, as you are well aware, neither is there true socialism, they are all quasi variations, life isnt black and white. My argument was that Hitler wasnt a believer in capitalism, hence the quote from Mein Kampf. Its a common misconception that the Nazis were rightwing even though Goebbels compared Hitler to Lenin and they even called themselves socialists.

  • @Soloman1001 your reasoning is fucked. Hitler wasn't a believer in capitalism, but that doesn't mean he was a believer in socialism. He was a believer in Nazism, Hitlerism, racial nationalism, elitism, and the very opposite of equality and socialism. Goebbels was a liar, Hitler was a liar, they called themselves "National Socialists" but were not socialist in any real sense. The "National" part is much more significant than the "socialist" part.

  • @blackmichael75

    NAZI = Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National Socialist German Workers’ Party).

    Spot the blatantly obvious clue of '' Socialist '' in there somewhere .. DORGH!

  • @Soloman1001 in the real world, sometimes people tell lies and call themselves things that they are not. Any two-bit third world dictator can call his party something like the "People's Democratic Movement" but that doesn't mean they are democratic or anything to do with the people! DUH

  • @blackmichael75

    Well if Hitler was an elitist then why did he invite the muslims to fight along side him? He even created a muslim ss division.

    All Socialists appear to be natural liars and hypocrites in my experience aswell, so Goebbels and Hitler were no different, they were power hungry nutballs like many socialist leaders, Castro, Putin, Chaves, Mao, Pol Pot and Kim Jong ILL...LOL!

  • @Soloman1001 are you a troll? if you put the word "authotitarian" instead of "socialist" there (remember the definition?) you might have a point. Oversimplified generalisations just don't make it. There's a world of difference between socialism per se, as an idea, and authoritarian, centralised state socialism. The hierarchical structure is the really deadly thing, and you find that exact structure in the corporate capitalist systems of today.

  • @blackmichael75

    Even Goebbels compared Hitlers ideology to that of Lenins, what more do you need. I think thats what you call check mate. Leftwing, the Nazis being rightwing is a common misconception spewed around by leftwing fascists like yourself.

  • @Soloman1001 let me sum it up for you one last time, since you seem awfully confused. Fascism is a RIGHT WING ideology, socialism is a LEFT WING ideology, and Islam (which you seem very concerned about on your profile) is a RELIGION.

  • @blackmichael75

    I can see why you are confused, you see the world as black and white, it isnt. Islam is a Plagerised False Religion and a political hate cult similar to Nazism. You dont understand Islam at all.

  • @Soloman1001 eh? me seeing the world as black and white? You're politically illiterate and confused if you think Nazism, Socialism and Islam are all the same thing. They aren't. A tree is not a horse and a horse is not a rock. Stop oversimplifying.

  • @blackmichael75

    Similar to is diffferent from the same. Troll? Dont call people names just because you cant beat them in argument. i debunked your Hitler was a Capitalist argument and your authoritarian argument is the most hilarious thing i have read for a while, serious oversimplifying. My boarding school was authoritirian, so what? No Nazism and islam are both Political Hate Cults and Personality Cults like Stalinism and Maoism. If you dont understand them, then thats not my fault.

  • @Soloman1001 i never said Hitler was a capitalist, i said he was a fascist, and not a socialist. Pay attention. Islam and Nazism may be similar in a few ways, but they are vastly DIS-similar in hundreds of other ways. What does that prove? The political ideology of the woman pictured above was also similar to Nazism in many ways, so does that make her a muslim and a socialist? Don't be silly.

    I mean that when you have a hierarchy, with some unquestionable abstraction at the summit, that is the

  • @blackmichael75

    You have seriously lost it, I have just explained how the Nazis were anti capitalists and quasi socialist-communists and you compare Thatcher to the Nazis, WOW! you really are a fool. I have laid all the facts on the table for you to reject the logical rational as you wish, you are scottish after all, National Socialists, so of course you are going to distance yourselves from the Nazis, but you are very similar, National Socialists.

    Were you even born when she was in power?

  • @Soloman1001 You have explained fuck all, and you have stated not one fact. I am not a national socialist, me being Scottish has nothing to do with it. Yes i was born and i remember very well seeing miners being hit over the head by policemen during the miner's strike, and the devastation that was caused to communities and families by her policies. I am comparing her to the Nazis because they were both incredibly right-wing authoritarians.

  • @blackmichael75

    You didnt really understand the economics or the politics of the miners strike did you. Arthur Scargill destroyed the coal industry in britain, he used the miners union as a weapon to take on the goverment just as he did before when the country was brought to its knees and the USA bailed us out because we went bankrupt under yet another usless labour government. Scargill was a communist or quasi communist extremist socialist, remember, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot. HAHA!!

  • @Soloman1001 i understood it perfectly. The coal industry was deliberately destroyed by the Tories, just as George Galloway says in this video, because it did not promise immediate short-term profitability, and because Thatcher wanted to destroy the power of the unions. You must be a troll, cause this isn't fucking funny at all.

  • @blackmichael75

    Fuck your a moron, Scargill used the Trade Union as a weapon against the government, read up on it, any trade unionist today could tell you about it, if they have an IQ above 50. Many pits werent profitable it wasnt economically viable to keep them open and Scargill could have made concessions and agreements but chose to take on the government with his leftwing extremist views of quasi communism. Thatcher destroyed him and good riddance.

  • @Soloman1001 i have spoken to old miners about it, who know much better than some jumped-up ignorant prick like you. I know exactly what happened with the miner's strike, it was as described by George Galloway here.

  • @blackmichael75

    Many Scots = Leftwing National Socialists = Nazism

    Thatcher = Rightwing = Non Socialist = Non Nazi

    So how do get Thatcher = Nazism?

    Read about the Russian Revolution, it was Anarchism which then morphed into Authoritarian Socialism and Quasi Communism. Eveything needs structure. Even the animal world has a Hierarchy structure. You really are living in a dreamworld.

  • @Soloman1001 NO. What are you actually talking about. There are nationalists in Scotland, some of them are left wing, some not. 100% of them are not Nazis. Nazis were right wing fascists. Thatcher, as i said below, was a right winger who believed in similar things.You do not know the definitions of the following words: socialism, anarchism, communism. Anarchism has a structure as well, just not a hierarchical one. As for animals, some have a hierarchical structure, others don't.

  • @Soloman1001 and i think you're the one living in a dreamworld, with your nazism=socialism=islam thing.

  • @blackmichael75

    Thats what NAZI means you fool, National Socialists, is a piece of cheese now a banana for you, you have lost touch with reality. I have already explained to you, using extracts from the anti capitalists blueprint book of mein kampf that the Nazis were not rightwing, they were socialists, if you had half a brain its obvious, just look what NAZI means to start with, Hitler didnt believe in private ownership you idiot because he controlled every aspect of german life.

  • @Soloman1001 you're the one that's lost touch with reality, if someone simply said a piece of cheese was a banana you'd probably believe them. Sometimes in life people lie and describe themselves as other than what they are, especially people seeking power. I have already about fifty times defined socialism to you and stated that a fascist is different from a socialist or an anticapitalist. They did have private ownership in Nazi Germany with some socialist features for WAR purposes.

  • @blackmichael75

    So how was Thatcher AUTHORITARIAN then? people had individual freedoms, poor cockneys from the east of london were becoming millionaires and people like Alan Sugar, an eastend barrow boy made millions, people were very free under Thatcher, she was Capitalist. The ones that didnt like her were the paresites and scroungers, she cutt them off, but she wasnt a Socialist, nor did she provoke wars, she was a proud Brit.

  • @blackmichael75

    Unlike your leftwing parasite social losers inviting half the world to come and scrounge in britain and bankrupt the country, yet again. Hve you read the history of the labour party and britain pre Thatcher? i think not, read about it, it might open your eyes to social and economic destruction. Do you know why the left wants want foreign immigration here?

  • @blackmichael75

    Explain to me again how a Party that called itself National Socialists can be capitalist rightwing? i just need to hear that one more time..hehe. The labour party are socialists aswell and given more time they would have bankrupted the country totally and moved towards authroitarian socialism, also referred to as communism in the worlds press, they didnt ban private ownership either, why not? they are socialists aswell, read thir logos.

  • @Soloman1001 ok, i'll explain it to you one last time, and then i'm done with you, you fucking imbecilic bastard troll CUNT of a fucking dunce that you are. Nazis LIED about things, about a lot of things, and that included their own nature and aims. I don't give a fuck about the Labour party.

  • @blackmichael75

    Yes, Hitler was a crazy leftwing ,motherfucker, i know that. He lied about hating communists so that he could control the communists in his own party, thats how rightwing they were, hehe. He used the capitalist environment of which he ruled to build his war machine and yet he CONTROLLED everything, he didnt care if certain people got rich, but he didnt win the war, he blew his own head off, so no one really knows what he would have done when he gained control of the earth.

  • @Soloman1001 "Yes, Hitler was a crazy leftwing ,motherfucker, i know that."

    Congratulations.  You are unique in that sage like wisdom.

  • @7jem331

    Well no actually because many people think that Hitler was rightwing, that is the common misconception.

  • @Soloman1001 It would appear a "Common misconception" That the vast majority of world historians share.

  • @7jem331

    Well they are wrong..HAHA!! The National Socialist German Workers Party or NAZI's were rightwing capitalist democrats were they..Err OK! lets now call a turd an ice cream for the lefties..HAHA!! even Goebbels stated that Hitler was similar to Lenin.

    There was very little differenc between Stalin and Hitler only the style of countries that they inherited.

  • @blackmichael75

    You have explained nothing, a Party that calls itself National Scoialists being rightwing, HOW?WHY? What a frigging dreamworld you live in. The labour party in the UK are also Socialists, they didnt abolish capitialism either, strange that isnt it, ARE they liars aswell? in fact their previous leader BLIAR has gone on to become the biggest champaigne swilling shameless capitalist that we have seen since the Thatcher years, how ironic, for you, is that.

  • @blackmichael75

    George Galloway is can easily be compared with Hitler for the obvious reasons, support for the extremist totalitarian authoritarian LEFT and a demogogue who supports all the worlds evil dictators. So how you can compare Thatcher to hitler is just ludicrous, but ludricous is an ethos that you have masterered pretty well it would appear.

  • @Soloman1001 really dangerous thing, because it leads to passing the buck. The perpetrators of atrocities can say "well i was just doing my job, in the service of X" (insert Fatherland, Party, Race, "Freedom", "Demoracy", God, whatever). This authoritarian hierarchical structure, whether right or left, is the real problem. And it's exactly the structure of modern corporate capitalism, where the abstraction is "market forces".

  • @blackmichael75

    And yet Leftwing personality cult ideologies have killed in excess of 200 million people over the last century and yet you have a strong anti view on modern corporate capitalism..WOW?? Your Anarchism was tried and tested in Russia after the Russian Revolution, it Failed Miserably and morphed in authoritarian quasi communism. Wake up, its dream world stuff that you believe in, it doesnt work.

  • @Soloman1001 as i explained below, those deaths were caused by authoritarian hierarchical state systems. The content of these systems doesn't matter, the structure is always the same. The west had exactly the same stucture, and is just as lethal, millions die every year as a direct result of our economic system. The "black book of communism" is now closed, but the black book of capitalism is still being written.

    "Anarchism morphed into communism"..Where the fuck are you getting that from?

  • @blackmichael75

    So when you call Thatcher a Nazi you really are talking utter nonsense, you being a scot have much more in common with the nazis than you realise, Leftwing socialists and National Socialists. Thatcher wasnt a national socialist. I could beat you with the silly stick all day but your just too brainwashed, many scots are, i see it all the time. My mummy told me Thatcher was a bitch, learn the realities of life. Thatcher wasnt perfect but she brought us back from the brink.

  • @Soloman1001 i call her similar to the Nazis because both are right-wing, believers in Tradition, Nationalism, Militarism, etc. Me being Scottish has nothing to do with it. I lived through the Thatcher years and saw the effects of her policies with my own eyes. She unleashed all the horrible, negative effects of selfish individualism that we have lived with ever since.

  • @blackmichael75

    Authoritarian Hierarchial State Systems??? WTF?? Your ideology was tried after the Russian Revolution, it failed and morphed into authoritarian socialism, which then went on to kill millions of its own people through political genocide and bigotry as could have been predicted. Clowns that think Corrupt looney mafia style governments are better than royals and princes. You simply dont have enough experience of the world my friend, sadly your not alone. Travel more..

  • @Soloman1001 yes that's right. Authoritarian-hierarchical state systems. What's wrong don't you understand the meaning of those big words? That's what all these murderous systems, left or right, capitalist or communist, have in common. Anarchism was not tried and morphed into socialism, stop making stuff up. The anarchists were in fact always opposed to authoritarian Marxism/communism.

  • @blackmichael75

    NAZI = Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National Socialist German Workers’ Party).

    Spot the blatantly obvious clue of '' Socialist '' in there somewhere .. DORGH!

  • Sounds like Dale was chewing more than he could bite. Owned.

  • Often an admirer of George, but he's spitting his dummy in this case.

  • Another Tory that can't deal with facts.

  • Galloway is a arrogant twat with only one view,

    the pantomime dame of politics.

  • Go george!!!

  • Dale sounds like he can't handle bad things being said about Thatcher!

  • It's not often George is wrong but I think he is right again !

  • Iain Dale, really didn't make sense, all he has to do is explain, and give a rebuttle, he just continious with this nonsense about how to run a show...

  • dale, what a twat. 'neo liberalism' is a failed 40 year attack on humanity.

  • I think both sides are wrong. George is correct that Thatcher was a market fundamentalist who fanatically believed that the future of Britain was Finance and the City of London. But George is glossing over the very real problems militant left-wing unions were creating by striking excessively.

  • @thatcheritescot Your name is wrong...

  • Thank you for this video!

  • this guy is a complete tard George made his point and invited a rebuttal.

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