Echidna wasnt so bad, she was just trying to protect her children. Why did Dante have to kill her? HAHA. Just kidding. She would have tried to eat his face
Echidna was such a badass boss, especially when she'd turn into the viper form and flick her tongue at you before zooming off and pummeling you with seeds. Has a sexy theme too, and guards my favorite devil arm ever, Gilgamesh :D
Also, would totally hit that as well. Just wish her voice was a little less grating.
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I love this boss!Echidna kicks ass!Awesome theme and awesome battle.First time I fought this boss I wanted Dante to use his guns and kill her earlier.But now I am glad he didn't do it!I love fighting this boss!!!
@Kyoshiro5411 Actually, Echidna is also a term for a mythological creature, a woman with the lower body/tail of a serpent. So, in that regard, it makes sense.
I freaking hate this boss. I mean, first, you could have taken the whole level out and it would have saved a lot of nerves for the gamers and a lot of space for the game. Second, the music doesn't even compare to that of the other bosses (or even sub-bosses *cough* Baroque and Beats *cough*), though it's still really good. And third, the battle was just so annoying! ESPECIALLY if you never leveled up the Swordmaster-style for Dante...
@RyuKaguya game was not supposed for 1hit kill execpt anime and cinematics and beside if u see how dante uses pandora and switch to argument(the missile factory) and fire a bunch a missile and kill 6dagon in 1hit which u cant even do even u use super dante >.<
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the scene was so funny, when nero was running up her tail or whatever, and he was about to punch her in slow motion, and out of no where, a cocanut or something knocked him in the head XDDDD epic phail
I was playing on Sons of Sparda mode with Nero and I was up to Echidna. I pwned the shit out of her; when I was JUST ABOUT to beat her, my game froze (true story).
And I came to the conclusion that I actually reached SSSS o_o SuperStinkinStylishSwagger.
i prefer nevan ^^,and even if trish can change form,i like THE ORIGINAL....
oh,and.....echidna gots only one problem....even if he may love someone....the only way she is able to give you a ``good moment´´ is with her mouth,o her tentacles,XD
she doesn't need sperm or anything to reproduce herself
@xtrem3rd Dante figured that we wanted to have a boss fight so he went easy on her sense we were controlling him then he said "Screw it" and then decided to one shot her
@Xanatos712 Huh? I could swear that it was the black one... then again, I do have to admit that it's been quite some time now since I last played DMC 4.
@xtrem3rd because obviously she had to be weakend first, its just like dante's vitality being max and bullets do nothing but one bullet when hes got like 0.5% vitality and hes dead.
I fell in love with the OST once I heard it! I love playing Nero in DMC 4..His devil arm is pretty SICK AND AWESOME! I'll play as Dante sooner though!! :)
@10dmcghee Aye it is. Although I suspect the ant-eater would have been named that a long time after this thing. It's tied in heavily with Greek mythology (the snake thing, not the ant-eater lol),
When I first saw Echidna in DMC4 and realised she wasn't really a dragon, my first thought was that she was a parasitic creature like her 'children' and infected an actual dragon at some point in the past. That would have been sweet if true.
i seriously don't see anything that would attract me to her, Also i could see it know kabobs alla human XD still that is how spiders are male is with a girl and she eats his head off XD
she is easy thumbs
up if you agree
justjess225 3 days ago
actually what sort of relationship , she has in dmc 4
arbaaz755 1 week ago
1:50 Hello Castlevania lol
juliymeri 2 weeks ago in playlist Devil May Cry 4 Soundtrack
note:plant like demon sl*ts dont like rocks
MultiFinalfantasy7 2 weeks ago
man I like how each boss had there own theme makes them a little bit more menacing
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1:21 Beautiful
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"Though, a fight every now and again does make life more and more interesting..
Don't ya think?"
nice quote..
sacredb0y 2 months ago
..Does she poop wildlife?
Kyoshiro5411 2 months ago
i love this part 1:21
Kelthuzarrr 2 months ago
I thought this boss's visual design was great. Same with that frog.
VooDooDollMaster 2 months ago 12
@VooDooDollMaster boing lover?
SegaNightmare 1 month ago
A wild bitch appeared! awesome!
TwilightColorless 2 months ago
@TwilightColorless Lol that will be funny
Darknova115 2 months ago
i love that "asian" sound on 1:43
Immagonko 3 months ago 3
i love this fight so much,its really awesome,with both nero and Dante
Dorgengoa2080 3 months ago
Echidna wasnt so bad, she was just trying to protect her children. Why did Dante have to kill her? HAHA. Just kidding. She would have tried to eat his face
TehFallenWind 3 months ago
The music at 0:54 reminds me of Sera's battle theme in Megaman Legends 2
HJKLMGPU 3 months ago
echidna & 4 of her children dislike this because they got there ass kicked to this song
ChaosSniper13 3 months ago
echidna & 4 of her children dislike this
ChaosSniper13 3 months ago
@YellowoboeThe She'd hit you, till youre dead.
Warhawk0602 4 months ago
thumbs up if you kicked Echinda's ass way quicker as Dante than you did as Nero
MaxGriffinNZ 4 months ago 8
Echidna was such a badass boss, especially when she'd turn into the viper form and flick her tongue at you before zooming off and pummeling you with seeds. Has a sexy theme too, and guards my favorite devil arm ever, Gilgamesh :D
Also, would totally hit that as well. Just wish her voice was a little less grating.
Panzerfaust26 5 months ago
I'd hit that.
YellowoboeThe 5 months ago
this is the only different BGM from dmc using Gothic music
fatalframe28 5 months ago
this song sounds different on the phone
chainsawjack555 5 months ago
When I read Echidna in the title, I immediately thought of Knuckles the Echidna xD
Julienfun 6 months ago
You can hardlly recoginise Mary Elizabeth McGlynn's voice as Echidna.
drew6874 6 months ago
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ORTmusic 6 months ago
I love this boss!Echidna kicks ass!Awesome theme and awesome battle.First time I fought this boss I wanted Dante to use his guns and kill her earlier.But now I am glad he didn't do it!I love fighting this boss!!!
FlameGyu 6 months ago
Echidna is so sexy =)
Lucifer9017 6 months ago
@Lucifer9017
maybe...maybe not...you wouldn´t like to know her haha...
axyskilet 5 months ago
@Lucifer9017 ewwwww.
colonel24567 5 months ago
@colonel24567 it was a joke =D
Lucifer9017 5 months ago
@Lucifer9017 I know, I just felt like saying that.
colonel24567 5 months ago
Its funny how Echidna looks nothing like a Echidna.
Kyoshiro5411 7 months ago
@Kyoshiro5411 Actually, Echidna is also a term for a mythological creature, a woman with the lower body/tail of a serpent. So, in that regard, it makes sense.
CerebralWry 6 months ago
@Kyoshiro5411 Echidna is a mythological creature dude, not Echidna like Knuckles the Echidna lmao
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AlMikiOne 7 months ago
Id pollenate that! :D
Cooler7328 7 months ago
Music really sounds like the flying battery from Sonic and Knuckles :P
Metwatter 7 months ago
Knowing Date, he'd probably still hit it.
Yallniggasbetrollin 7 months ago
I freaking hate this boss. I mean, first, you could have taken the whole level out and it would have saved a lot of nerves for the gamers and a lot of space for the game. Second, the music doesn't even compare to that of the other bosses (or even sub-bosses *cough* Baroque and Beats *cough*), though it's still really good. And third, the battle was just so annoying! ESPECIALLY if you never leveled up the Swordmaster-style for Dante...
SethSandwhisper 8 months ago
@SethSandwhisper Stop crying...
TheMultiRaude 5 months ago
Echidna is the one wife you must never marry.... look at the # of her children! she will probably... no .... most definitely milk you dry
Ginobi666 8 months ago
@Ginobi666 Scratch the number, look at the children. Even if Echidna herself was hot, her offspring could eat you up in the moment of their birth.
SethSandwhisper 8 months ago
Best Part 2:00 - 3:15 !!
jacek187 8 months ago
why do you guys not see it dante fired ebony as the final blow thats it nothing else her hp was gone and he used his weakest attack to finisher her
RyuKaguya 8 months ago
@RyuKaguya game was not supposed for 1hit kill execpt anime and cinematics and beside if u see how dante uses pandora and switch to argument(the missile factory) and fire a bunch a missile and kill 6dagon in 1hit which u cant even do even u use super dante >.<
areumap1 8 months ago in playlist Devil May Cry 4 Soundtrack
At the ending he shots the EbonyIvory and she get into pieaces... as xtrem3rd comments... WHY THE F@^& DIDN'T YOU DO THAT EARLIER?!
cdson12 9 months ago
@ech: My forest! My children!
@dante: how a stupid nerd like you could have a child? Where's your father? Is it Belrian..or??
Hope it will be changed like this.
cdson12 9 months ago
Echidna:Who the hell are you?
Dante:Glad i got your attention!I was beggining to feel a little ignored!
Echidna:You may jest...but the kindest fate i offer is to unify...and spend eternity with a child of mine!
Dante:As appealing as that sounds...i think i'll pass!
Though a fight every now and again does make life more interesting...don't you think?
Echidna is one of my favorite bosses in DMCs.And the music...It is great!!!
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ORTmusic 10 months ago
WAAAAGH!!
MY CHIIIILDREEEEN!!!
XD
voltex12345 10 months ago
fuuuu i wanna 1 party with echidna and nevan :D,nasty party :D
Sagasidad1 10 months ago
Dante:Glad to Get you attention I Started to think little bit ignored ... Love Dante <3
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You may jest, but the kindest fate I offer is to unify, and spend eternity with a child of mine!
depthruins2k39 11 months ago
love the camera setting of this battle. especially when she lurk around and then lung at you (with Turbo on)
violence1234 11 months ago
Fighting her as Dante is great, she's just one giant target. x3
Raarzorz 11 months ago
One of the best and hardest bosses in DMCs for me.Actually battling her is very good.It is a crazy battle with both Nero and Dante.
FlameGyu 11 months ago
If her lower half was't sum demonic lookin flower i wud fuck her
UnknownAnime1 1 year ago
GO AWAY YOU SCARY HENTAI MONSTER
freakygamerx 1 year ago
@freakygamerx HENTAI FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ChaosAint0 1 year ago
Nero: *runs across her back all epicly* RRRAAAAAAAGGGGHH!!!!! *about to punch her in the face but get's smacked away*
Me: CRITICAL FAILURE. oh well. Nero still kicks ass.
theninjamandude 1 year ago 2
@theninjamandude
*fangirling over Nero alone quietly*
Nero: *gets smacked off*
Me: PPPPFFFFFFFFFFFFFTTT, EPIC FAIL NERO, kthanxbai.
iSeiranai 1 year ago
nero kills her seed,
dante kicks them back...with style :D
void735 1 year ago 21
@void735 FOOTBAWL! *Dante throws seed at Echidna) YEAWH!!!!
helper769 1 year ago 29
@void735 *this is a little late but oh well
i like Echidna's reaction to Dante "WHO THE HELL ARE YOU?"
guywithminigun 2 months ago
You know, if you fought her she I think she showed you here vag...right before you went Mike Tyson on it.
biggydx 1 year ago
mmmm Id love it if she ate me for dinner Tasty and kinky :D
brandyschaoticslave 1 year ago
Echidna: Who the hell are you!?!
Dante: Glad I got your attention. I was beginning to feel a little ignored.
Echidna: You may jest... but the kindest fate I offer is to unify... and spend eternity with a child of MINE!!!
...
Dante: As appealing as that sounds, I think I'll pass. Though a fight every now and again does make life more interesting... Don't you think?
SigmentKurosai 1 year ago 3
@SigmentKurosai no you mean:
Echidna: Who the hell are you!?!
Dante: Glad I got your attention. I was beginning to feel a little ignored.
Echidna: You may jest... but the kindest fate I offer is to unify... and spend eternity with a child of MINE!!!
Dante: O_O that sounds kinda dirty... Wincest much?
suckapunch565 1 year ago
@suckapunch565
lol when echidina dies
''snake....snake....SNAAAAAAAAAAAKE!!!'' :3
creatures0blood 11 months ago
I love all these comment's variations of the way Echidna can be spelled.. I really do :3
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ORTmusic 1 year ago
my favorite boss in DMC4
in DMC3 my FAV is the guard dog.
LOKBLUDOM3N 1 year ago
When Dante first Confronted her, My first reaction was.
You mad?
*Troll face*
SatanicProdigy 1 year ago 5
in that view....she looks like Miley Cyrus
ElectricEagleOffical 1 year ago 4
@ElectricEagleOffical LOL!!!
powerblade14 1 year ago
Echinda is Greek mythology she is known as 'The mother of all Monsters'. She was mostly in form of a giant Lizard.
CrossConsoleGamer 1 year ago
@CrossConsoleGamer Yay for my country's mythology xD
marios175199625 1 year ago
I wonder what she'd say if I gave her a flower?
Sho12345 1 year ago
Funnily enough, those who are debating Nevan v Echidna.. they both have the same voice actress. X3
Myntey 1 year ago 12
@Myntey nevan is smexier echidna is uglier ..
999sailormoon 4 months ago
Awesome song :)
Rawfies 1 year ago
*STAB* *REVVS SWORD*
scaleonfire 1 year ago
Echidna is fucking easy i close 1eye also can kill her
areumap1 1 year ago
the scene was so funny, when nero was running up her tail or whatever, and he was about to punch her in slow motion, and out of no where, a cocanut or something knocked him in the head XDDDD epic phail
DezerayTheHedgehog 1 year ago
@DezerayTheHedgehog ,
its not coconut, its her egg...
narutoikmal 1 year ago
@narutoikmal coconut, seed, whateverz, you get the point
DezerayTheHedgehog 1 year ago
@DezerayTheHedgehog ,
okay2...
narutoikmal 1 year ago
I wish I had a plant like echidna in my living room, I want it to be the size of a medium sized tree. I'd love to see the look on peoples faces o_O
Sho12345 1 year ago
she is such a BITCH ........... but i love fighting her
azlan009 1 year ago
Echnida was my favourite battle!
Rundasice 1 year ago
its more fun to fight bosses with nero cuz of his grapple, with dante not so much.
packaderm135 1 year ago 4
MY CHILDRENNN!!!!
MrRazzlezx 1 year ago
I was playing on Sons of Sparda mode with Nero and I was up to Echidna. I pwned the shit out of her; when I was JUST ABOUT to beat her, my game froze (true story).
And I came to the conclusion that I actually reached SSSS o_o SuperStinkinStylishSwagger.
Scaltt 1 year ago
fighting echidna was fun
kimchu22 1 year ago
dante defeat echidna from lucifer
Swat4zz 1 year ago
her name is SHE-VIPER:P
dragoscribo 1 year ago
@dragoscribo C. Viper > She-Viper >:X
LukeFFabre 1 year ago
MY CHILDREN !!! ARRGHHHH !! DONT HURT MY FLOWER VAGINA PLEAASEEE !!!! NOOO
iampopuIar 1 year ago 5
NERO vs echidna or DANte vs echidna ill go to nero!!!!
risereve 1 year ago
@risereve I agree. Nero's moves are just slick!
MegaEternalLife 1 year ago
i prefer nevan ^^,and even if trish can change form,i like THE ORIGINAL....
oh,and.....echidna gots only one problem....even if he may love someone....the only way she is able to give you a ``good moment´´ is with her mouth,o her tentacles,XD
she doesn't need sperm or anything to reproduce herself
GaRaPaTojr 1 year ago
@blackkinglord XD,i think almost the same
GaRaPaTojr 1 year ago
Echidna: Who the hell are you?!
Dante: You can call me Knuckles. Unlike Sonic I don't chuckle!
CrimsonVermillioneye 1 year ago 109
Echidna: "AAAAAAAH... My forest... my children...!"
Dante: *shoots Ebony*
Echidna: *is blown to pieces*
Dante: "I think that look suits you better."
My gawd, I so goddam LOLd when a single shot from Ebony killed her. I was like "WHY THE F*** DIDN'T YOU DO THAT EARLIER?!"
xtrem3rd 1 year ago 59
@xtrem3rd You know whats more amazing? Why cant that kill any demon instantly?
GutaarGod 1 year ago
@GutaarGod Ya rly. Ebony should just insta-kill any demon. Awesomeness xD
Then again, we already have that in Heaven or Hell mode =X
xtrem3rd 1 year ago
@xtrem3rd She needed to be weakened, obviously.
PsychoJosh 9 months ago
@PsychoJosh Considering that Echidna looked like she was made of Explodium anyway, that sounds like an excuse to me.
xtrem3rd 9 months ago
@xtrem3rd Dante figured that we wanted to have a boss fight so he went easy on her sense we were controlling him then he said "Screw it" and then decided to one shot her
CyberSlayer128 9 months ago
@CyberSlayer128 Makes sense. So all the bosses live through more than one hit only because Dante wants to allow the player to have some fun, too...
xtrem3rd 9 months ago
@xtrem3rd It was ivory, actually. The silver gun.
Xanatos712 7 months ago
@Xanatos712 Huh? I could swear that it was the black one... then again, I do have to admit that it's been quite some time now since I last played DMC 4.
xtrem3rd 7 months ago
@xtrem3rd He also used that gun to kill his younger self:
watch?v=xAdlFwhv5OY
Heheheh...
Xanatos712 7 months ago
@Xanatos712 Huh. That was hilarious.
And yeah, I concede the point. He DID use Ivory.
xtrem3rd 7 months ago
@xtrem3rd yhup thats actually kind like WTF????!!!!!
sparrou4 7 months ago
@xtrem3rd
maybe cause dante would get bored if he just used his cutscene bullets all the time.....
evilanimegenious 7 months ago
@xtrem3rd because obviously she had to be weakend first, its just like dante's vitality being max and bullets do nothing but one bullet when hes got like 0.5% vitality and hes dead.
Terra1311 6 months ago
@xtrem3rd Then it happens again against Belial. Wtf
AlexofSpades 6 months ago
Nevan and Echidna's voices = Mary Elizabeth McGlynn's voice
Kleigen 1 year ago
if she would have a whole human body (not just the upper part) i think she would be rathjer hot :D
drtuw 1 year ago
@drtuw lol i meant rather :P
drtuw 1 year ago
what a hot mother nature
genjutsugaara 1 year ago
You: "What we having for dinner?"
Her:"You."
You:"Oh, *Grabs his kickass sword and smashes her face*"
SulaInc 1 year ago 7
i hate facing her on Hell and Hell mode...those annoying random seeds flying>.>
Dantethedemon16 1 year ago
I fell in love with the OST once I heard it! I love playing Nero in DMC 4..His devil arm is pretty SICK AND AWESOME! I'll play as Dante sooner though!! :)
chuckster5674 1 year ago
No thanks, DMC4.
I'd take Echidna from Queen's Blade instead.
I will take her...for a duel! :D
Faizerino 1 year ago
Lady, Lady all the god damn way
SeeKyle10 1 year ago
Isn't an echidna a type of ant-eater?
10dmcghee 1 year ago
@10dmcghee Aye it is. Although I suspect the ant-eater would have been named that a long time after this thing. It's tied in heavily with Greek mythology (the snake thing, not the ant-eater lol),
l3awl3ag 1 year ago
you remember nevan of devil may cry 3,this is the most sexy demon
BUT ONLY ARE ANIMATED CHARACTERS
keondakkk 1 year ago
i prefer lady gaga trish :D
Shetyre 1 year ago 2
my forest...MY CHILDREN...BANG :D
Aumaan666 1 year ago 9
Trish is dumb D: Lady is the sexiest, and Gloria (who should have been her own damn character) is right below her!
MystiSkye 1 year ago
sounds like a song of china
keondakkk 1 year ago 2
wow everyone wanna date a dragon flower ¬¬
I choose trish for the
HirosamaNadasaki 1 year ago
@HirosamaNadasaki I choose trish for the most sexy character and her beautier form is Gloria
HirosamaNadasaki 1 year ago
the new youtube sucks
alisson820 1 year ago 6
@alisson820 Not sure how relevant that is to the video, but I agree completely.
Froodjakle 1 year ago
voll geil wo er di eeier auf si ezurückgeballert hat ...XD
vorallem fallrückzieher XDD
TheRedGrave 1 year ago
"You may jest, but the kindest fate I offer is to unify, and spend eternity with a CHILD OF MINE!"
chingon227 2 years ago 4
@chingon227
As appealing as that sounds... I think I'll pass.
iMGamer 1 year ago 6
MY CHILDREN!....lmao
adamneff1606 2 years ago 6
esa gente que odia la musica de DMC es por que son boludos ademas de estar muy vuena la muscia ase que quede mucho mejor el DMC con todo ese rock
Solovox433 2 years ago
Motherfucking badass music holy fuck
Sho12345 2 years ago
I really don't understand why people hate the music in DMC series, it's some of the most fitting I've seen in any games ever!
Adam9172 2 years ago 6
lol I don't see anyone who hates it
Cyberleader12 2 years ago 3
Most reviews I've seen pan the industrial rock as nonsense and such like. Not just talking about youtube users hating it. :)
Adam9172 2 years ago
lol I find the music epic especially with angello credo and bael
Cyberleader12 2 years ago
nop, i'd choose Trish for the most sexy demon.
Carnivoru 2 years ago 95
you are right
Vojnik55 2 years ago 3
hell no i'd choose Nevan
baramui 2 years ago 8
Trish can change her form, so u dont get bored of the same look... so i ask u to reconsider :P
Carnivoru 2 years ago 11
exactly!
um09dndam 2 years ago
i think trish would be able to become Nevan if she wants to, she can change her aspect u know ;p. and thats a big + cuz u never get bored of her
Carnivoru 2 years ago 8
@Carnivoru 0_0
dmcfan7 1 year ago
@Carnivoru but isnt Trish human 0.o
Rountau 1 year ago
@Rountau no, she's a demon that looks like dante's mom
Carnivoru 1 year ago
@Carnivoru You gotta admit though - Nevan had lots of sex-appeal :D
EvilCookieMastermind 11 months ago
but she's a hybrid between a plant and a snake
Zeta439 2 years ago
Capcom has really epic music... i mean just check out the new street fighter 4 ost...great work!
Denizlili90 2 years ago 5
When I first saw Echidna in DMC4 and realised she wasn't really a dragon, my first thought was that she was a parasitic creature like her 'children' and infected an actual dragon at some point in the past. That would have been sweet if true.
ZeeZarian 2 years ago 3
I thought she was a snake. o_o
Ilovevergil56 2 years ago
i seriously don't see anything that would attract me to her, Also i could see it know kabobs alla human XD still that is how spiders are male is with a girl and she eats his head off XD
zerokatey 2 years ago
But in this case it's a giant snake, and it will eat your torso off instead. :x
Plus that, she keeps going on and on about "having kids", I wouldn't get anywhere near her.
Woodplain 2 years ago 7
o.o What if their only HER kids and not urs wouldent that be fun i mean -cough- humpinga giant snake rofl
NuuyX 2 years ago
@xXWILLTHEGAMERXx lol u mean Nevan
Scaltt 2 years ago 3
devil may cry...wat an epic game
xiangvrylike 2 years ago 6
Hell Yea! Gotta love CAPCOM <3 =D
RevolverLockheart 2 years ago 4