Oh Netanyahu didnt do shit. He looks like he was told quit or no money. To hell with Israel. Build your damned settlements and fight your own battles. Pay your own bills. Israel USES america
jews in american politics are fucking our nation up. kick jews out, and we'd be laying some true justice out in Palestine. Notice these jews in hollywood only make holocaust movies but nothing about the suffering they have committed against the palestinians.
for all im concerned the only holocaust is in palestine.
Israel is grubbing up land because of their self-stated "need for expansion." When they want a little more land, they will send in some troops to harass and beat Palestinian civilians until Hamas sends a bottle rocket, which doesn't come close to landing near israel, then uses that to claim; " Hey, we were under a horrific attack by Hamas, that's why we needed to kill thousands of Palestinian children and civilians." Get jews out of American politics. Research and watch who you're voting for.
@halcyon0830 Israel justifies its settlements on occupied Palestinian land in three ways: 1) All of historic Palestine were 'promised' to Jews and that Jews are 'God's chosen people'. 2) The reason why settlements are expanding is bcos of 'natural growth'; the Israeli population is growing. 3) There is no final status agreement yet so building settlements are 'okay'.
@halcyon0830 But the main problem is all of Israel's arguments for settlements on occupied Palestinian land are deeply flawed. 1) Int' law, which Israel is obliged to abide bcos it is a UN member, does not recognise and in fact declared illegal Israel's military occupation of the OPT. Int' law also does not declare Jews 'God's chosen people'.
@halcyon0830 Hence, this 'God gave us this land' argument is only valid among Zionists, and totally invalid under int' law. 2) Hitler used to justify his expansion into E Europe and USSR bcos the German population is growing and needs more land. Would any sensible person accept this argument? Doesn't it bear a striking resemblance to Israel's argument?
@halcyon0830 3) Yes, there is not yet a final status agreement with the Palestinians. But there is alr an int' consensus, based on int' law, that Israel's Jews-only settlements on occupied Palestinian land are illegal under int' law and many resolutions have been passed regarding this. Can any serious person argue against int' law and invoke their God's laws???
@PeaceForMidEast. Even before Israel recovered Jerusalem from Jordan, it was mostly populated by Jews until the Jews were forced out by the Arabs...Jerusalem is a Jewish city as has been for over 3,000 years. The Jews have a right to settle their own city...who are we to tell them otherwise?
@sugarhitman What about the Palestinians who have been evicted from their homes in Jerusalem? Don't they have the right to settle in their own city? BTW, you have left out one impt element from ur comment: int' law. Int' law, which Israel is obliged to abide by bcos it is a UN member, states E Jerusalem is occupied Palestinian Territory. Talk to me..once u've recognised int' law.
@PeaceForMidEast , When did Israel "evict" Palestinians from Jerusalem? East Jerusalem was under the control of Jordan....not any Palestinian authority. And how did the Arabs set themselves up in Jerusalem? By doing as the Catholics...murdering and expelling the Jews. This also occured in the 48 war. Jerusalem is the city of the Jews which the whole world knows inspite of their pro-Arab sentiments.
@sugarhitman Err....first of all, you dont seem to understand int' law. Second, I am not obliged to educate you about Israel's policies towards the Palestinian people. Thirdly, I believe you should go educate urself, as I do everyday, on the conflict before u make claims such as 'Jerusalem is the city of the Jews', which obviously isn't entirely true. What about the Arabs in Jerusalem??
@PeaceForMidEast 1ST. "Int. Law" has been hijacked by pro-Islamic countries. 2. I am aware of both Israeli and Palestinian policies...the latter is more extreme and brutal. 3. I have studied this concflict for over 12 years. 4. Jerusalem was always mostly populated by Jews even during the Catholic and Muslim eras. Jerusalem is the city of the Jews...which everybody knows, inspite of thier pro-Islamic views.
@sugarhitman. And furthermore "int. law" is always used by pro-Palestinians against Israel...and yet they themselves do not heed int. law. The Palestinians terrorized a legitimate Israeli state before the so-called "occupation" disregarding "int. law" and refuses to recognize a UN member state. Which shows that Palestinians arent interested in a state (Arafat rejected this in the 90's) but only in the Islamic-Nazi goals of killing Jews.
@sugarhitman 1) Instead of encouraging Israel to abide by int' law, which it is obliged to do so as long as it remains a UN member, u simply and conveniently dismiss int' law as being 'hijacked by pro-Islamic countries'. This clearly shows u have no regard for int' law and believe that int' law does not apply to Israel.
@PeaceForMidEast Why should Israel abide by int. Law when the Palestinians do not? Why should Israel abide by int. Law that has been hyjacked by tyrannical states such as the Arabs states? And no I do not "regard int. law". UN Laws are not laws voted into existence by the public, nor do they overide the laws of any sovereign country. Israeli laws dictates that its gov. must protect its civilians from Arab terrorists which should not be hampered by "int. law".
@sugarhitman So tell the world why should Iran abide by int' law and be open abt its nuclear ambitions when Israel itself doesn't abide by int' law too? Isn't it ironic that Israel, one of the worst violator of int' law and UN Res., is now spearheading the effort to demand Iran oblige by int' law and UN Res.?
@sugarhitman If you think Israel doesn't need to abide by int' law bcos the Palestinians don't, then you are implying that Iran doesn't need to abide by int' law bcos Israel itself doesn't, in the same sense. Again, u claim that int' law has been 'hijacked' by the Arab states.
@sugarhitman Pls tell me if UN Res. 242, the fourth Geneva Convention, and the inadmissibility to acquire territory thr' war were all invented by the Arabs. If not, then ur case of 'int law being hijacked by Arab states' isn't supported by any facts at all! Israel, by accepting to be a UN member and continues to do so, has already committed itself to abiding by int' law and UN Res.
@PeaceForMidEast Re.242 doesnt say that a country can not aquire territory from an aggresive enemy especially if that territory is within your own state LOL! And those are "disputed territories" not territory of any Palestinian state...because there has never been a Pale. State. And again just because a law exists doesnt mean its right...everyone knows that Judea and Jerusalem are Jewish territories.
@sugarhitman 'everyone knows that Judea and Jerusalem are Jewish territories.'? No, not true, only Zionists and Israelis do. 'Re.242 doesnt say that a country can not aquire territory from an aggresive enemy'. It states clearly that the WB, Gaza and E Jerusalem are occupied Palestinian Territories. Accept this fact, cos nothing u say would ever change this. 'especially if that territory is within your own state LOL'? You have started on the wrong premise. Check int' law, yeah?
@sugarhitman Int' law is universal; that's why it's called int' law, hence Israel must abide by int' law and withdraw back to its pre-1967 borders as demanded under int' law. BTW, u would love to talk about Israel's self-defence, but have u even recognised the Palestinians' right to resist an illegal occupation? Answer this!
@PeaceForMidEast Int. Law is not universal, when did the public of the world vote for "int. law"? Never. And since when does it makes sense for a country to give up territory it won from an aggressive enemy who remains dedicated to its destruction? And why were the Palestinians attacking a pre-67 Israel? Was that "resisitence"? No. So there goes your resistence excuse. These people are dedicated to a Nazi/Islamic goal created during the nazi-era.
@PeaceForMidEast, Ive answered you...you just didnt like the answer. And why were the Pale.s terrorizing, and murdering Israeli civilians before Israel "occupied" the W. Bank and Gaza? The claim that Pale.s commit acts of terror against Israel because of Israeli "occupation" falls flat on its face in light of the fact that they were terrorizing Israel well before 67. Anti-Zionists makes some of the most ridiculous excuses for Arab Terror.
@sugarhitman No, so u think the Fourth Geneva Convention, UN Res. 242 and the inadmissibility to acquire territory thr war were all invented to Arabs? Be honest cos u haven't answer this qns yet! Oh, u dont care abt those int' law? Then I must rly say u are living in ur own fantasy!
@sugarhitman Consider this: how about Iran disregarding its int' obligations by simply dismissing int' law as being biased towards the US and Israel which it is doing as Israel does with regard to its own obligations? Let's face it: both Iran and Israel violates numerous UN Res. and int' law. If int' law can be dismissed so easily as being 'biased', then imagine...what would replace int' law?
@PeaceForMidEast Thats because int. law isnt really recognized law. How many states have violated "int. law"? Basically all UN member states has. Int. law is only invoked to atagonize another state (like the Arabs, Russia, and China against Israel) or to be used as a pretense to war against another country (as was the case with Iraq). When the world votes for Int. Law then its becomes real law...until then it will remain a joke.
@sugarhitman The fact that many countries violates numerous int' law doesn't give Israel, or any other country for that matter, a free ticket to violate int' law and ignore its int' obligations!! It's just like many people around you steal things from an unguarded workshop, does it then give u a legal justification to do the same thing? If you say int' law is only used to 'atagonize' other countries, then isn't Israel provoking war with Iran?
@sugarhitman Israeli policies? Iranian policies? The fact is that u can argue as long and as much as u want, but u cant change the fact that Israel has the obligation and must abide by int' law. Can u change this fact? 2)Yes, Palestinian politics is far diff. than those of Israel's. I have studied Palestinian politics and Israeli politics in school.
@sugarhitman But however bloody Palestinian politics are, it doesn't change the fact that Israel must abide by int' law. Notice I'm arguing based on int' law, while u are always trying to blame the other side and ignore ur own obligations. 3) Jerusalem has always had a Arab presence. I would not question the right of both Jews and Arabs to the city, but I would follow int' law, which states that E Jerusalem is occupied Palestinian land.
@PeaceForMidEast International law does not call Jerusalem Palestinian land. In fact the UN plans calls for Jerusalem to be a separate entity under UN control. And again int. law is not recognized law in any sovereign state if that law conflicts with domestic laws. The Arabs launched an aggressive war to destroy Israel and lost, and in addition Egypt and Jordan lost Gaza, Judea, and Jerusalem...places which belongs to the Jewish people anyway.
@sugarhitman Funny. Numerous UN Res. label E Jerusalem, tgt with the WB and Gaza, as occupied Palestinian Territories. Do some research. Yes, the UN once called for Jerusalem to be under int' control, but since then the world has recognised E Jerusalem as occupied Palestinian land, a fact that stands true whether u like it or not.
@sugarhitman If u dispute this, u can go and argue it with the UN, but u cant simply dismiss it as being 'biased' without making ur case. 5) What do u mean by 'pro-Islamic views'? How about 'pro-Jewish views'? If u think that supporting int' law and demanding Israel ends its illegal occupation is being 'pro-Islamic', then you are really being a racist here.
@PeaceForMidEast. Yes, the UN is biased against Israel which any honest observer will admit. What we see in the UN is simply a continuation of old anti-Semitism especially in the Arab/Russian block. And there is nothing illegal about Jews settling Judea and Jerusalem LOL....Since when did it become illegal to settle your own territory?
@sugarhitman 'LOL....Since when did it become illegal to settle your own territory?'? That's true, but does the WB, Gaza and E Jerusalem belong to Israel? I'm afraid that's only true in the eyes of Israel. The US, UN, EU and Russia, and int' law recognised those lands as occupied Palestinian Territories, a fact that would stand true whether u like it or not. BTW, u haven't answer me my qns on the fourth Geneva Convention. Got stuck?
@sugarhitman Notice I didn't say u are a 'pro-Jewish' person or anything. Let's argue based on int' law and facts, not name-calling. 6) Yes, Palestinians also do not obey int' law, but does that relieve Israel of its own obligations to abide by int' law?7) I need to tell u that during the creation of Israel, 750,000 Palestinians were evicted/ forced to leave/ leave due to fear the borders of the new state
@PeaceForMidEast. Again why should Israel follow int. law when the Arabs do not? Why should Israel give up territory to a people dedicated to destroying them? Why should Israel give up the Golan Heights to a hostile Syria? So they can start bombing Israeli cities again? Or put themselves at further risk to Pale. terrorists? Thats not going to happen.....that would be a stupid move. Those who scream "int. law" are not facing reality.
@sugarhitman Yup, so one would be considered 'facing reality' when he supports the continued illegal Israeli military occupation, yeah? The fact is that u are not facing reality: u haven't even bother to answer my qns on the Fourth Geneva Convention. So much for putting out big unsupported statements like 'the int' law has being hijacked by Arab states'!
@PeaceForMidEast I dont care about Geneva nor any UN laws...only the laws voted by the people in the US. The Jews an oppressed people in all the countries of their Diaspora (incuding those ancient Jewish communities in Palestine) expelled from country to country are now being denied the right to their own country LOL. Wow what a shameful crime the world has committed against these people. Doing whats right trumps "int. law".
@sugarhitman WOW! A perfect hypocritic and a lawless person! Hypocrite cos u ignored the plight of the Palestinian people and focuses only on the sufferings of the Jewish people. Lawless cos u practically ignored every int' law that deals with this issue and only believe in 'laws' that permits Israel's illegal occupation. Get real.
@PeaceForMidEast Yeah, Im a lawless person because I ignore the plight of the Pale. people that was created because they failed to "exterminate" the Jews, when the Arabs told them to flee their homes until all the Jews were dead. Yeah, im a lawless person because I hold responsible Pale.s who seek "to finish what Hitler started" provoking the Israelis. Yeah, im lawless because I see how the world has and is commiting a crime against the Jews of Israel.
@sugarhitman, But the fact is that the world is lawless and cruel in what they are doing to these people. You attacked and killed them in your countries, you expelled them, robbed them and now you deny them their tiny tiny 40 mile piece of land where they could live in peace away from you bloody antisemites...and you terrorize them. Thats lawless.....thats selfish......that is extremely evil.
@sugarhitman Err... again if you see many ppl stealing from a warehouse, would u be justified to steal too?? Simple analogy. Simple qns. Simple enough for a person who would put out big statements without facts, simple enough for a person like u.
@sugarhitman 'plight of the Pale. people that was created because they failed to "exterminate" the Jews'? Wrong premise. 'when the Arabs told them to flee their homes until all the Jews were dead' hardly representative of the truth since u didn't recognise that majority of them were forcibly evicted by Israel/ out of fear of danger.
@PeaceForMidEast Yeah, many Arabs were then living on land purchased by the Zionists and working...until Husseini and the Arabs told them to flee until the Jews were all dead and that they could come back and claim all the land. Many obeyed while others did not. Those who didnt now enjoy the privilages of being Isreali citizens. *smile*
@sugarhitman hahaha. U still haven't responded to my statement that Israel forcibly evicted the majority of the Palestinian refugees and Israel's continued refusal to allow them the right to return, a right enshrined under int' law!
@PeaceForMidEast, Most Palestinian refugees was created by the Arabs...as they have already admitted. If the Israelis evicted innocent Arabs, then how do you explain the Israeli-Arabs? The Israeli leaders encouraged Arabs to remain and become citizens which many did...while the hostiles either fled or rightly evicted. And the land they was living on was purchased by the Zionists.....they dont have a right of return to land they didnt own.
@sugarhitman 'as they have already admitted'? U mean Israeli leaders have admitted that Arab leaders were responsible for the refugee problem? ' then how do you explain the Israeli-Arabs'? I didn't say Israel evicted all Arabs, I said they evicted the majority of the Palestinians who became refugees. Read my comments carefully. 'rightly evicted'? 'dont have a right of return to land they didnt own'? True, but only in ur opinion and the official Israeli position, that is...
@PeaceForMidEast There is a video here on Youtube, a program by the BBC, about the so-called massacre at Deir Yassin, where Israeli soldiers were accused of rape. This claim was made by Dr. Hussein Khalidi secretary of the Palestine Arab Higher Commitee, to exaggerate Israeli atrocities so that the Arab armies would intervene. As the Arab in the video confirms when the Palestinians heard these rumours they fled in fear. The Arabs are mostly responsible.
@sugarhitman In addition to the above, the Arabs announced all over the radios for Palestinians to flee their homes until "the Jews would be pushed into the sea". Most Palestinians heeded this call...most even joined the Arab armies to destroy Israel...they failed. And now the world is clamoring for Israel to allow millions of these people into their democratic state (Muslims do not practice democracy by the way), keep clamoring.....it wont happen.
@sugarhitman Say whatever u want, and it'll only shows u're denying the fact that Israel forcibly evicted the majority of the Palestinian refugees. Deir Yassin was just one of many atrocities committed by Israel, u cant use one BBC program to portray what really happened in its entirety. It's just like me giving u a video of a German politician denying the Holocaust..does it then mean that ALL Germans deny the Holocaust?
@PeaceForMidEast The Arabs confessed Deir Yassin was a fabrication to provoke the Arab nations to invade Israel. These sort of fabrications have been common throughout the conflict, such examples includes the staged Al-Dura murder, Jenin, and the whole Pallywood phenom. And to compare Israel's defense against Islamic terrorism to Nazism reflects one's support of Hitler's Holocaust.
@sugarhitman. Isnt it interesting that the Arabs and pro-Palestinian crowd compares Zionism as Nazism, while at the same time praising the Holocaust? At thier rallies where Jewish symbols are fused with Nazi symbols, we see them giving the Nazi salute and saying such things as "Hitler should have killed all of you" and "Go back to the ovens!!!" Comparing Israel with Nazi Germany reflects ones true feelings of the Nazi Holocaust.
@sugarhitman U have wrongly assumed that I support Nazism. Yes, there are some Palestinian sympathisers who, wrongly in my opinion, praise the Holocaust, just as there are Israeli apologists who call for all Arabs to be expelled from the land. By trying to smear the entire anti-occupation movement, u have exposed ur only strength in ur case: smearing and slandering.
@PeaceForMidEast LOL! Most Palestinians and Arabs supports Hitler's Holocaust...not just "some". Dont forget, Hamas, Hezbollah, and the PLO, were founded and trained by Nazis who were smuggled into the Arab world. The anti-Zionists have smeared themselves by supporting terrorists, and comparing Israel with Nazi Germany......which reflects their hatred for Jews......true pseudo-peace activists.
@sugarhitman 'Most Palestinians and Arabs supports Hitler's Holocaust...not just "some".'? U mean the Mufti of Jerusalem in mandatory Palestine, al-Husayni? 'Hamas, Hezbollah, and the PLO, were founded and trained by Nazis '? Funniest joke in weeks! Hamas was, FYI, founded and aided by Israel in the 80s to counter PLO's influence and as part of Israel's divide and rule policy. U can check this out urself. Hezbollah founded by Nazis? Hezbollah and PLO was created in the 30s and 40s?
@PeaceForMidEast. LOL! Hamas was not "founded" by Israel. Israel supported Hamas during the early going because Hamas proclaimed that it would help the Palestinian condition. Hamas is an Islamic org. created by that Nazi Islamic group The Muslim Brotherhood. The more we debate the more you lie.
@sugarhitman Oh rly? The more we debate the more I lie? Really? Or is it that the more I talk to you with facts, the more u crap? Get real. U can live in ur own world, cos it wouldn't take a historian to know the fact that Israel founded and actively aided Hamas in the 80s.
@sugarhitman BTW, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was not elected by the Palestinian people; he did not speak for or represent the Palestinian people. In fact, he was appointed and supported by the British rulers, not democratically-elected by the Palestinian people. The problem with ppl like u is that u can only use al-Husayni and his support for Hitler to blame the whole Palestinian people of supporting Nazism.
@PeaceForMidEast LOL! Haj Admin is a hero of the Palestinian people whether they voted for him or not. After his dealings with the Nazis to exterminate the Jews Haj Admin became a figure to be revered by Palestinians....just like that other monster Hitler. Nazism is not just supported by most Palestinians....but most of the Arabs Muslims.
@sugarhitman Where's ur prove of the claim? 'The anti-Zionists have smeared themselves by supporting terrorists, and comparing Israel with Nazi Germany......which reflects their hatred for Jews......true pseudo-peace activists.'? There u go again, using the word 'terrorists' to dismiss the entire Palestinian struggle and fight for its rights.
@PeaceForMidEast. Fighting for "rights" is not done by killing innocent children by blowing up school buses or shooting them point blank in the head......Martin Luther King and his followers didnt do that....even the Black Muslims didnt adopt such terrorism.......you are making excuses for these people because you support terrorism (as youve already admitted).
@sugarhitman The Zionists founded Israel by practicing terror methods against both Arabs and British civilians living in mandatory Palestine. U know why they did so? Cos they wanted to fight for their self-determination, just like what the Palestinians are doing today. Sure, there were no suicide bombings back then, but suicide bombing is just one of the many terror practices.
@PeaceForMidEast Actually the Zionists begin defending themselves after the Arab Riots led by Hajj Admin...Oh did I mention that the Nazis were funding these Riots? You cannot compare Islamo-nazi terrorists with the truly persecuted Jews...your attempt is laughable.
@sugarhitman My attempt is laughable? The truth speaks for itself and everyone can hear that, maybe except u who chose to live inside the world of official Israeli propaganda...why dont u play the 19-yr-old card again and show us how desperate u are?? Haha.
@PeaceForMidEast LOL! Show me a UN Resolution against Hamas.....because I sure couldnt..heck I couldnt find one against the PLO. Surely the UN the protector and enforcer of "Int. Law" isnt a terror sponsor?
@sugarhitman Of course the UN isn't a supporter of terrorism..but it is a supporter of the universal right to self-determination! U couldn't find a UN Res. against Hamas? Sure abt that?? Haha, or are u trying to lie again?
@sugarhitman The fact that u are turning a blind eye to Zionists' crimes during the fight for the creation of Israel means u are practicing double standards. It is the same as when ppl say Israel can violate/ disregard int' law bcos North Korea and Iran does so. Double standards, pure crap, and big unsupported statements make up the pillar of ur argument.
@PeaceForMidEast Oh please. Lets see, Jews were being persecuted in Europe, in the Arab world, and then had to face Hajj Admin and his group of Jew haters in Judea. Jews expelled from Europe, Arab countries, and denied his right to Judea....The Palestinian Movement has nothing in common with Zionism.
@sugarhitman Nothing? I dont see a need to rebuke that since I've alr done so and u are still selective in reading my comments. Anyway, ur use of the word 'Judea' ( i assume u are referring to 'Judea and Samaria', which is a Jewish biblical term for the occupied WB) exposes the real diff. btw us. U are living in biblical times and refuses to call it the WB, which is the int' name for what u called the 'Judea'. Only Israel and other Zionist Jews uses that 'Judea' term today.
@PeaceForMidEast You found that Resolution for me? The West Bank was called Judea and Samaria up until Jordan annexxed her. Judea: meaning: land of the Jews.....not Arabs.
@sugarhitman The term 'Judea and Samaria' was used only by Jews and Zionists. The int' community doesn't use that term bcos it would imply that the illegal Israeli occupation of the WB is somehow..justified?!
@PeaceForMidEast. Fighting for "rights" is not done by killing innocent children by blowing up school buses or shooting them point blank in the head......Martin Luther King and his followers didnt do that....even the Black Muslims didnt adopt such terrorism.......you are making excuses for these people because you support terrorism (as youve already admitted).
@sugarhitman I guess the only true peace activists in ur eyes are those that carry the Israeli flag and espouse the continued illegal occupation. U are for a real and just peace? Haha.
@sugarhitman How does it feel if I implied that all pro-Israel ppl like you are against Arabs by supporting Israeli govt policies, simply based on what a minority of pro-Israel ppl say: the expulsion of Arabs from the land? Don try to smear the entire anti-occupation movement with the views of a radical and minority group's views.
@PeaceForMidEast. The entire anti-Zionist movement is filled with terrorists, unethical reporters/media (many are involved in fabricating lies against Israel see Reuters fake photos, and France 2 staging of the Al-Dura murder....just a few examples), neo-nazis, Islamic radicals, and left-wing nuts, and right-wing extremists. Yes, this movement is filled with radical and extreme antisemitic elements.
@sugarhitman U should just face this reality: there are radicals on both sides of the conflict. Palestinians who want all Jews to be eliminated, and Israelis who want all Arabs to be eliminated. These views are in the minority, and radical as they are, they do not represent the will of the majority of the people.
@PeaceForMidEast Still trying to justify Palestinian terror huh? The reality is that most Palestinians are extremists. To say that only a minority of Palestinains are radicals is just being ridiculously ignorant. Palestinians are taught from children to hate Jews, and Israel....and to even commit terror. This is their culture, and most of them are products of this demonic culture. Jewish culture on the other hand is far different.
@sugarhitman Wow! So Arabs are born to be killers while Jews are 'far different'?? The problem is why are u smearing the name of worldwide Judaism by trying to link and merge Judaism (religion) and Zionism (political) tgt? U are like al-Qaeda who's trying to link Islam (religion) and their goal of worldwide dominance (politics) tgt?
@PeaceForMidEast. *sigh* I said that Palestinians are taught from *childhood* to be Jew haters and killers...dont believe me? Just look at Palestinian shows for children and see how Mickey Mouse teaches kids that its a good thing to kill Jews and to be a "matyr" for Allah where in heaven those who do such things receives 72 "black eyed virgins". Their culture pumps out radicals and killers....Jewish culture does not.
@sugarhitman Of course Israel doesn't have any need to broadcast any inciting shows against the Palestinian people. U know why? Cos the Palestinians have alr been safely subdued and oppressed by the illegal Israeli occupation. There's no need for Hamas to broadcast such materials too! Living under the harsh Israeli occupation alone, without the need for Mickey Mouse to tell children to kill the occupiers, is enough to incite further Palestinian resistance.
@PeaceForMidEast. Oh the Palestinians are a "subdued people" and oppressed. Yet they have the freedom to staged false Israeli atrocities aided by Western Media. They commit acts of terror against civilians, which International orgs. excuse and ignore. When Israel tries to defend itself these same orgs. step in and fabricate lies to aid the Pales...the Pales are not "subdued" and "oppressed" they are tools of both Arab/Western antisemitism.
@sugarhitman Ok...okay I am so proud of you, ur level of absurdity just reach new heights every single day! Palestinians are tools of Arab/Western anti-semitism? Playing the anti-semitic card again?? Haha. So let's see: u play with the 19-yr-old card, the anti-semitism card and the Israel-has-a-right-to-self-defense ( even though it is maintaining an illegal occupation) card. But too bad for u, I've alr obliterated all ur playing cards! Want to come up with new cards to play?
@PeaceForMidEast You can say I use this and that...but you are missing one imporatant fact...you cant disprove it. While I having studied both classical Arab/Western antisemitism can see it playing a major role in the Israel-Arab conflict. We have Islamic terrorist orgs. who admit their hitliterian goals, and we have European countries, hosts of antisemitism, funding radical Islamic orgs. and media propaganda ANTISEMITISM I said it.
@sugarhitman Ya lah..anti-semitism right? Even Jews who criticised Israel's illegal occupation are now termed 'self-hating Jews' by ppl like you! I cant disprove it? Well, how can I / should I disprove ur denial of the existence of the illegal Israeli occupation when all u need to do is to read up?! How can I disprove ur claim that the Arab majority doesn't matter when all u need to do is to study the concept of democracy and the rule of the majority? The onus is on u to prove ur crap, not me.
@PeaceForMidEast Islamics do not pratice Democracy as you should know....and again the state Israel was founded on was purchased by the Jewish Agency. Why should the Jews allow themselves to be subjects in an Arab/Islamic state? Its not fun to live as Dhimmis.
@sugarhitman Why should the majority Arabs in Palestine accept the minority Jews' wishes to create a Jewish state in mandatory Palestine? That's not my view, but I'm putting the Arabs' view to u. Can u answer that? Can u also answer me and tell me at what year was the Jews a majority in mandatory Palestine? Never! The Arabs have always been the majority in mandatory Palestine, smth u cant ever deny!
@PeaceForMidEast Why? Beacuse 1. the Jews had a right to est. a Jewish state on land they owned (500,000 acres) 2. who are the Arabs who didnt own it to tell the Jews what to do with their land?
@sugarhitman Ur basic facts are wrong hence ur wrong assumption that 'who are the Arabs to tell the Jews what to do with their land'?? I would only say this to u: who are the minority Jews to tell the Arab majority that their own Zionist goals are to be fulfilled no matter what the Arab majority thinks and at the expense of the Arab majority's right to self-determination?
@sugarhitman Unless u would accept that it is okay for the minority to impose their objectives over the majority population..if that's rly the case then I won't bother to hang around a kiddy adult like u any longer!
@PeaceForMidEast. The Jews owned 500,000 acres for the sole purpose of establishing their state on the Arabs nor anybody else has the right to tell them what to do with the land and how to run their state. Rember this state was est. so Jews wouldnt have to live with those who oppressed that...which unfortunatly includes the Arabs.
@sugarhitman Dont try to be funny. The Arabs have never say anything that Deir Yassin was a fabrication. Show me otherwise. I wonder how u can label all the Palestinian sufferings over the years as 'Pallywood'? No, I dont support Nazism. That's why I compare Nazi's occupation of E Europe to Israel's illegal occupation.
@PeaceForMidEast. The video about Deir Yassin is here on Youtube, also Arab leaders have confessed that the refugee problem arose because of their blunders. I will give you sources for these. And yes Palestinians aided by the Western Media are staging Israeli atrocities...Robert Landes did a great job in exposing these liars, everyone should see his videos here on Youtube...it is unbelievable! Comparing Israel with Nazis is just twisted.
@sugarhitman Haha...funny u can deny the immense suffering of the Palestinian people! I think by doing so, u have lost ur moral highground and right to condemn those who deny the Jewish sufferings in the Holocaust!
@sugarhitman 'how the world has and is commiting a crime against the Jews of Israel'? Next time if u want to hold Iran to int' law, pls be prepared to be label a criminal against ' the Muslims of Iran'!
@PeaceForMidEast. Yes, the world is commiting a perpetual crime against the Jews. In all the countries of their Diaspora they were brutally oppressed, and expelled...they didnt want the Jews nor did they offer them protection. Now they are denying the Jews from their own country. The Catholics has the Vatican, the Muslims Mecca...but the world denies the Jew from the most holiest site of Judasim.....if the world cant see the wrong in that...then indeed humanity has lost its humanity.
@sugarhitman In this reply of urs, u haven't taken account my comments that ' Next time if u want to hold Iran to int' law, pls be prepared to be label a criminal against ' the Muslims of Iran'!. This refusal on ur part to take into account what I've said makes this reply of urs a complete nonsense. Are u talking to urself, btw?
@PeaceForMidEast . You wouldnt see me holding Iran to Int. Law..why should they heed Laws that were not voted by the public...but by elites of member states? I also believe Iran should not have any nukes and would support an Israeli strike which has nothing to do with int. law but the domestic laws of Israel concerning Israeli security.
@PeaceForMidEast How many Americans do you believe actually holds Int. Law above their national laws? Most Americans frowns at the thought of being govern by laws by a Supranational org. like the UN....We did not vote for the UN or its undemocratic system. So you can keep screaming "Int. Law" all you wish, no nation will sacrifice their security for tokan laws.
@sugarhitman Good point. Successive American govts and their supporters do not believe in int' law esp when it contradict their policies and goals. However, some int' laws, such as the right to self-determination, the inadmissibility to acquire territory thr' war and the right to life are universal values and are accepted by every country, except rogue states such as Nazi Germany and Israel.
@PeaceForMidEast The same goes for all UN member states concerning int. law conflicting with nationalist policies. And by the way the drafters of res. 242 claims that their intentions was not for Israel to withdraw from all the territories, and certainly not to the indefensible borders of pre-67. Its calls for withdrawel when a peace deal is made and Israel's borders are "recognized and safe." The Arabs do not recognize Israel and continues to threaten her borders.
@sugarhitman I would urge u to study the 2002 Arab League peace plan and Res. 242 which calls for the Israeli withdrawal to the pre-1967 borders in exchange for the Arab world to recognise Israel.
@PeaceForMidEast Oh yeah if Israel withdraws the Arab League will then recognize Israel. I remeber Israel taking a huge step by withdrawing from Gaza...the result? More rockets from Hamas. Res. 242 calls for recognition, and secure borders FIRST, not after. And 242 does not call for a withdrawal to pre-67 borders as one of the drafters Goldberg says "is ridiculous". So sorry mate 242 does not agree with you.
@sugarhitman No, UN Res. 242 doesn't call for secured borders FIRST, as u put it. It only calls for the withdrawal of Israeli forces to its pre-1967 borders in exchange for peace and recognition from the Arab countries. Abt Gaza and rockets? As far as reality is concerned Israel never ended its illegal occupation of Gaza.
@PeaceForMidEast LOL! 242 says that withdrawal should be to "recognized and secure borders"...which means that Israel's borders must be secure and recognized before any withdrawal. And Israel did end its "occupation" of Gaza but had to set up a blockade after Hamas thanked them with more rockets, and because of the use of UN and humanitarian vehicles for smuggling of weapons and suicide bombers.
@sugarhitman 1.The blockade of Gaza was set up before Hamas was even elected to office. 2. During the cease fire not only did Hamas fire no rockets but they actually tried to stop lone rocket attacks. 3. On 11/4/08 Israel violated the cease fire by killing 5 Hamas fighters in Gaza. Hamas kept to the cease fire agreement. Israel did not. YOU FAIL.
@genYprogressive 1. The Blockade was in response to Palestinian rocket attacks, and weapons smuggling (using UN vehicles by the way). 2. Hamas did not attempt to prevent these attacks as you claim because your own HRW said Hamas released the perpetrators "without explanation". 3. Egypt pleaded with Israel not respond to these attacks. 4. Israel responds by tightning the blockade.
@sugarhitman Nice try, but the smuggling of wepons in U.N. vehicles that you talk about was in 2004. And Israel admitted that the wanted to use Gaza as a oppertunity to restore its "Deterrance Capacity" in March 08. They say so on the IDF website. Deturance Capacity is code word for terrorizing civilians.
@genYprogressive, Hamas has never stopped its smuggling operations, and thanks for confirming UN and UNRWA complicity in aiding terrorists. Deterrance Capacity? LOL! Do you even know what you are talking about? So we have international agencies exploiting their "humaniterian" titles to aid Hamas weapons manufactoring, which is the primary reason of the Israeli Blockade.
@sugarhitman The blockade does not even have anything to do with Hamas it was put in place before they were even in power.James Wolfenson was sent there to break the blockade. B'Tsalem described what is happening there as the destruction of a civilization. You say they don't want wepons brought in. Explain to me how blood bags, vaccines, water, and medical supplys are wepons that can be used aginst Israel?
@genYprogressive, I am talking about the Blockade set up from 2007 after the Israelis withdrawed from Gaza and the Rocket attacks kept coming...from the day of the withdrawel until the 2007 Blockade. Israel on the advice of Egypt did not retaliate, until they had enough. And yes Israel does allow humanaterian supplies, and yet the rockets kept coming...how do you think the rockets got into Gaza? Through magic?
@sugarhitman No they didn't allow aid to get through. There was a 94% poverty rate in Gaza in 08. There were more Israelis killed in car crashes in that time than from Hamas Rockets. Israel purposly used White Phosperous on civilians in Gaza, do you even know what White Phosperous is?
@genYprogressive Yes they did, and millions of dollars are given to Palestinains which is not used constructively. From 2000-2007 there were over 8000 rockets fired at the Israelis by Hamas in addition to the 1000s fired by Hezbollah killing and injuring many Israelis. In 2007 alone there were over a 100 of these rockets fired injuring and killing Israelis..thus the 2007 Blockade. WP is for illumination a legal weapon.
@genYprogressive, They did not use WP for burning civilians LOL! HRW (an anti israel org.) said only 10 Pales. were suspected of being injured by WP...stop slandering.
@sugarhitman You are lying about what it is primarly used for it is used to obscure the veiw of the enemy in battle. 1. An Israeli arms company makes non-lethal smoke shells. They could have use that insted. 2. There were no troops anywhere it was dropped. 3. WP is supposto be fired on the ground, they fired it from the air. 4. They dropped it on al-Quds Hospital, containing 1500 Gazans. on the baat laija school with 1600 people. ARGUMENT OBLITERATED.
@genYprogressive, I know what its used for, at night its used for illumination purposes.....and it provides cover for aircraft, and groundforces. Everytime Palestinians or left wing anti-Israel orgs. (most funded by Ford Foundation and EU) makes claims such as "attacked hospital" "attacked UN" "attacked buildings with tank shells" (my favorite lie, see "Pallywood") they are usaully exposed as lies...which they seem pretty good at doing.
@sugarhitman Yes, ideally WP is used for illumination at night/ to cover the movement of ur troops and that's not illegal under int' law. But what's illegal is the use of WP in densely-populated areas like the residential neighbourhoods in Gaza. Israel bombed UN schools, aid warehouse and even al-Quds hospital with WP!! Can u deny that? Or would u say it is bcos Hamas hides behind civilians that u shell it with WP??
@PeaceForMidEast Oh deary, didnt know that WP burned through some buildings...which guess what? didnt kill anyone. And please who are your sources for your allegations? Hamas sends 1000s of rockets and morters into Israel killing civilians....Int. Community quiet. Israel goes after terrorists using WP for illumination, that didnt kill anybody and the world goes nuts. LOL!
@sugarhitman So Israel didn't kill hundreds of Palestinian civilians in 'precision' air strikes? So the int' community is mum abt the rocket attacks? So Israel is going after terrorists? Or is it going after civilians? Bcos, all records, UN and human rights groups, even B'Tselem, shows most Palestinians killed are not 'terrorists', rather they are women and children. So tell me how genuinely successful is Israel's fight against 'terrorists'?
@PeaceForMidEast B'Tselem is funded by European countries and the Ford Foundation. These two orgs. are prominent funders of anti-left wing NGOs who are part of the smearing of Israel. There are videos here on youtube showing how terrorists dresses as civilians (see Terrorists escaping in UN Vans). These orgs. uses for their claims Palestinian sources which thinks to Pallywood we know are not reliable.
@sugarhitman Ya lah..now even B'Tselem isn't credible anymore! Maybe in ur eyes, the only credible source is the Israeli govt and the IDF. Israel is certainly not the most moral country in the world, but it is the best country in pretending to be civilised and innocent.
@PeaceForMidEast Israel is the state of the Jews...it is populated by people who were oppressed by all nations....this hate for Jews continues and is directed against Israel. Its no accident that the nations that persecuted the Jews are Israel's biggest critics. Leftwing Jews always opposed a Jewish state even before Zionism. B'Tselem is funded by the EU and Ford Foundation an org. created by a notorious Jew hater Henry Ford.
@sugarhitman 'Israel is the state of the Jews...it is populated by people who were oppressed by all nations....this hate for Jews continues and is directed against Israel.' U mean the hatred for Zionism? Why are u so despicable in linking Zionism with Judaism? To hate Zionists means u are an anti-semite? Haha, spare me this joke of urs; im alr in a pretty good mood today, joker!
@sugarhitman So there are also Americans who criticised Israel's policies, there are also Canadians and even Koreans who criticised Israel. Are they also perpetrators of past persecution of the Jews? Get real, man! 'B'Tselem...funded by the EU....Ford'? Yes, I alr know that the only sources credible to u are the IDF and the Israeli govt'. Dont need to remind me of ur ignorance.
@PeaceForMidEast, Canadians are Europeans just as most Americans, and yes antisemitism exists in both countries. And yes this campaign against Israel is motivated by Antisemitism. B'Tselem is funded by the EU and the Ford Foundation as are many anti Israel NGOs........You really havent studied have you? Like I said you got a long way to go.
@sugarhitman Most Jewish immigrants to Palestine in the 30s and 40s are Europeans who came to Palestine to escape Hitler's Germany. So many of ur ancestors are Europeans themselves too! 'And yes this campaign against Israel is motivated by Antisemitism.'? Anti-semitism card again? Haha.Okay.
@sugarhitman Tell me, did B'Tselem said Israel is an illegal state or that the Jews are 'sub-humans' as anti-semite Hitler puts it? Otherwise ur claim that criticism of Israel's policies is anti-semitism doesn't hold water. 'You really havent studied have you? Like I said you got a long way to go'? Desperate attempt by u..again..playing the age card..this is so typical of u!!
@PeaceForMidEast B'Tselem is a vehicle for European interests in the mideast.....which is to demonize Israel....just like the other anti-Israel NGO's and the Western Media. European money and money from the antisemitic Ford Foundation energizes it and them....Sorry but its no secret that these are their funders which isnt even a secret.
@sugarhitman 'B'Tselem is a vehicle for European interests in the mideast.....which is to demonize Israel....just like the other anti-Israel NGO's and the Western Media'? 'but its no secret that these are their funders which isnt even a secret'? Give me facts and egs to prove ur point that B'Tselem and Europe wants to 'demonise' Israel.
@sugarhitman, Opponents often bring up the WP used in Gaza, but fail to mention that only 10 Pale. victims are suspected of being injured by WP (HRW). What about those Israelis killed or injured by Qassam rockets? No one cares...no one says a thing about that. I noticed something else also, there is not one UN Resolution against the Palestinian terror or Israel's enemies......Sad.
@sugarhitman 'there is not one UN Resolution against the Palestinian terror or Israel's enemies'? Patently false statement from u again, unsurprisingly. It is sad that Israeli and Palestinian civilians are paying such a heavy price for the expansionist policies of successive Israeli govts'. Blame ur govt' for continuing the illegal occupation which spurred the rocket attacks.
@PeaceForMidEast Show me a UN Resolution against Hamas terrorism...and gime the number of that resolution...good luck. And BTW why did they attack Israel before the "occupation"?
@sugarhitman Haha, u are a real idiot. I've explained to u countless times why the Palestinians attack a pre-1967 Israel. It's obvious u dont care to read my comments when I answered ur qns and then u'll come back and ask the same qns over and over again. Pathetic...As for the UN Res, u can go to the UN website by typing 'UN' on Google and press search. Then press the UN website and explore it urself. I dont have any obligation to spoon-feed u on this conflict.
@sugarhitman So, let's say, for argument's sake, that if the WP didn't manage to kill any Palestinians, it is therefore not a crime. So I can safely assume that in the same sense, u would agree that a Hamas suicide bomber isn't committing a crime when he blows himself up at a Tel Aviv cafe without killing anyone other than himself? Double-standards card from u again. Sad and pathetic.
@genYprogressive Well said. But I guess your kind effort to educate sugarhitman wouldn't pay off at all..I've alr put forward facts and evidence to him and he still insist on the official Israeli propaganda!
@PeaceForMidEast. Yes its Israeli propaganda when Pale. and western media stages fake murders like Al-Dura. Its Israeli propaganda when left wing NGO's, Pales, and Media fabricate "Massacres" like Jenin. Its Israeli propaganda when org.s like the UN and UNRWA are exposed for allowing Hamas to use their vehicles for weapons smuggling. And none say nothing about the 12000 rockets fired on Israeli civilians.
@sugarhitman Blah...blah...blah... UN allowed Hamas to use their vehicles for weapons smuggling? Haha, did u just type the words 'UN bias for Hamas' on Google a moment ago and u just give me anything u've found on the search page? Cos ur claim is baseless. 'none say nothing about the 12000 rockets fired on Israeli civilians'? WOW! U dont have a TV set at home?? So sad.
@PeaceForMidEast I see that you are not aware of Hamas using UNRWA vehicles for smuggling...which is something UNRWA itself does not deny,,,,and neither some of US congressmen. Keep hanging with me kid and you will learn a lot. BTW having a tv or not is irrelevant, I asked you to find me a UN Res. against Hamas and you have failed to do so...why is that?
@sugarhitman 'neither some of US congressmen'? U mean congressmen who depend on AIPAC money for their political survival? No, both the UNHWA and Hamas has denied using UN or other humanitarian vehicles for weapons smuggling. No one has any evidence to suggest this...hmm..maybe except the Israeli govt, who seems to be able to get hold of info no other org. can..
@PeaceForMidEast Kid the video is here on Youtube clearly showing terrorists escaping in a UN vehicle...some of those terrorists are dressed as civilians. You didnt hear of it because the media didnt report it.....it was captured by a Reuters cameraman. This problem was brought up in Congress. These are facts. And US leaders dont need Aipac monies for "political survival".
@sugarhitman Let's start from the bottom point 'US leaders dont need Aipac monies for "political survival'? Hmm.. those US politicians who even dare to criticise Israel's policies towards the Palestinians are attacked with vicious and baseless labels like 'anti-semite', 'Jew-hater' or even 'freedom hater'!! A gd eg of how dependent US politicians are on AIPAC for pol. survival is the fact that half of Congress attends the annual propaganda conference of AIPAC.
@sugarhitman It is well-known that US politicians depend on AIPAC money / at least AIPAC's not slandering them when they criticise Israel for their political survival. As for the US Congress thing, check the number of times Congress has criticised Israel and passed a res. on it. Check the no. of times Congress has recognise the Palestinians' right to resist occupation/ at least an end of illegal Israeli occupation and u'll know how even-handed Congress is in dealing with this conflict.
@PeaceForMidEast, American leaders support Israel because most American voters do, not because of Aipac (although Aipac is influential and it needs to be). And Palestinians do not have a right to commit terror, because 1. They never owned Judea, 65% of Judea was state owned land. 2. They rejected Partition 3. They rejected Barak's offer. 4. They continued attacks when Israel withdrawed from Gaza. They just want to kill Jews because their religion commands it.
@sugarhitman Ok..okay...kiddy adult, I need a break from listening and correcting ur crap for u. U see, I have no obligation to educate u or to point out that ur case is really weak and unsupported. I've addressed ur pt 1,2,3,and 4. Even ur last Islamo-phobic view has been totally countered.
@sugarhitman 'Keep hanging with me kid'? Haha..playing the age card again bcos u have no concrete things to say! Play it! Continue to show us how desperate u rly are. We don't mind it...but maybe u would, unless u are not concerned with showing ppl ur utter ignorance. Having a TV is relevant. Bcos then u'll be able to watch channels other than Israeli govt' propaganda...
@sugarhitman Yes, it withdrew its settlers and soldiers from Gaza, BUT it maintains absolute control over Gaza's airspace, sea borders, and land borders (except the one at Rafah). Hardly a withdrawal considering all these.
@sugarhitman Hence, considering the fact that Israel never ended its illegal occupation of Gaza, however stupid and hurtful to their just cause, Hamas still has a reason and a right to resist.
@sugarhitman So u can tell me that many people do not believe in int' law, but does it change the fact that there are such int' laws and UN members are obliged to abide by them? Does it, in any way, relieve Israel of fulfilling its int' obligations by abiding by int' law?
@sugarhitman The fact is that u can continue to deny int' law and say that many people doesn't believe in it and therefore, in some sense, Israel need not abide by int' law. If u really believe Israel has no duty to abide by int' law, then u are implying that Israel should leave the UN.
@sugarhitman Ur utter disregard for int' law, and the fact that u are only interested in Israeli 'laws', means this discussion is meaningless. How can u envisage Israel to continue being a UN member when it doesn't care abt int' laws?? Ur argument against int' law and against Israel following int' law makes no sense at all. Not even the Israeli govt' would argue against the basic importance and relevance of int' law!!
@PeaceForMidEast Some of these "laws" were made after Israel's membership and after the 67 war such as res. 242. Just because Israel is a member of the UN does not mean it has to accept laws voted into existence by hostile states. Its no accident that res. 242 was drafted by Britian, a state who opposed the creation of Israel, and aided the Arabs in the 48 war. Res. 242 was drafted so that Jordan, a client state of Britian, could retain the West Bank.
@sugarhitman A collection of fiction from u. The British opposed the creation of Israel? The British helped the Arabs in the '48 war? Tell me what books do u read? No, Res. 242 was not voted in by hostile states,it was voted in by the Security Council, which includes countries such as the U.S. and India! Are these states hostile to Israel? So America is hostile to Israel in 1967?
Oh Netanyahu didnt do shit. He looks like he was told quit or no money. To hell with Israel. Build your damned settlements and fight your own battles. Pay your own bills. Israel USES america
eric777100763 1 year ago
jews in american politics are fucking our nation up. kick jews out, and we'd be laying some true justice out in Palestine. Notice these jews in hollywood only make holocaust movies but nothing about the suffering they have committed against the palestinians.
for all im concerned the only holocaust is in palestine.
zodeloni 1 year ago
Go Obama , It is about time , Best thing Obama ever did .
TheTruthBureau 1 year ago
Israel is grubbing up land because of their self-stated "need for expansion." When they want a little more land, they will send in some troops to harass and beat Palestinian civilians until Hamas sends a bottle rocket, which doesn't come close to landing near israel, then uses that to claim; " Hey, we were under a horrific attack by Hamas, that's why we needed to kill thousands of Palestinian children and civilians." Get jews out of American politics. Research and watch who you're voting for.
halcyon0830 1 year ago
@halcyon0830 Israel justifies its settlements on occupied Palestinian land in three ways: 1) All of historic Palestine were 'promised' to Jews and that Jews are 'God's chosen people'. 2) The reason why settlements are expanding is bcos of 'natural growth'; the Israeli population is growing. 3) There is no final status agreement yet so building settlements are 'okay'.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@halcyon0830 But the main problem is all of Israel's arguments for settlements on occupied Palestinian land are deeply flawed. 1) Int' law, which Israel is obliged to abide bcos it is a UN member, does not recognise and in fact declared illegal Israel's military occupation of the OPT. Int' law also does not declare Jews 'God's chosen people'.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@halcyon0830 Hence, this 'God gave us this land' argument is only valid among Zionists, and totally invalid under int' law. 2) Hitler used to justify his expansion into E Europe and USSR bcos the German population is growing and needs more land. Would any sensible person accept this argument? Doesn't it bear a striking resemblance to Israel's argument?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@halcyon0830 3) Yes, there is not yet a final status agreement with the Palestinians. But there is alr an int' consensus, based on int' law, that Israel's Jews-only settlements on occupied Palestinian land are illegal under int' law and many resolutions have been passed regarding this. Can any serious person argue against int' law and invoke their God's laws???
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast. Even before Israel recovered Jerusalem from Jordan, it was mostly populated by Jews until the Jews were forced out by the Arabs...Jerusalem is a Jewish city as has been for over 3,000 years. The Jews have a right to settle their own city...who are we to tell them otherwise?
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman What about the Palestinians who have been evicted from their homes in Jerusalem? Don't they have the right to settle in their own city? BTW, you have left out one impt element from ur comment: int' law. Int' law, which Israel is obliged to abide by bcos it is a UN member, states E Jerusalem is occupied Palestinian Territory. Talk to me..once u've recognised int' law.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast , When did Israel "evict" Palestinians from Jerusalem? East Jerusalem was under the control of Jordan....not any Palestinian authority. And how did the Arabs set themselves up in Jerusalem? By doing as the Catholics...murdering and expelling the Jews. This also occured in the 48 war. Jerusalem is the city of the Jews which the whole world knows inspite of their pro-Arab sentiments.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Err....first of all, you dont seem to understand int' law. Second, I am not obliged to educate you about Israel's policies towards the Palestinian people. Thirdly, I believe you should go educate urself, as I do everyday, on the conflict before u make claims such as 'Jerusalem is the city of the Jews', which obviously isn't entirely true. What about the Arabs in Jerusalem??
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast 1ST. "Int. Law" has been hijacked by pro-Islamic countries. 2. I am aware of both Israeli and Palestinian policies...the latter is more extreme and brutal. 3. I have studied this concflict for over 12 years. 4. Jerusalem was always mostly populated by Jews even during the Catholic and Muslim eras. Jerusalem is the city of the Jews...which everybody knows, inspite of thier pro-Islamic views.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman. And furthermore "int. law" is always used by pro-Palestinians against Israel...and yet they themselves do not heed int. law. The Palestinians terrorized a legitimate Israeli state before the so-called "occupation" disregarding "int. law" and refuses to recognize a UN member state. Which shows that Palestinians arent interested in a state (Arafat rejected this in the 90's) but only in the Islamic-Nazi goals of killing Jews.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman 1) Instead of encouraging Israel to abide by int' law, which it is obliged to do so as long as it remains a UN member, u simply and conveniently dismiss int' law as being 'hijacked by pro-Islamic countries'. This clearly shows u have no regard for int' law and believe that int' law does not apply to Israel.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Why should Israel abide by int. Law when the Palestinians do not? Why should Israel abide by int. Law that has been hyjacked by tyrannical states such as the Arabs states? And no I do not "regard int. law". UN Laws are not laws voted into existence by the public, nor do they overide the laws of any sovereign country. Israeli laws dictates that its gov. must protect its civilians from Arab terrorists which should not be hampered by "int. law".
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman So tell the world why should Iran abide by int' law and be open abt its nuclear ambitions when Israel itself doesn't abide by int' law too? Isn't it ironic that Israel, one of the worst violator of int' law and UN Res., is now spearheading the effort to demand Iran oblige by int' law and UN Res.?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman If you think Israel doesn't need to abide by int' law bcos the Palestinians don't, then you are implying that Iran doesn't need to abide by int' law bcos Israel itself doesn't, in the same sense. Again, u claim that int' law has been 'hijacked' by the Arab states.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Pls tell me if UN Res. 242, the fourth Geneva Convention, and the inadmissibility to acquire territory thr' war were all invented by the Arabs. If not, then ur case of 'int law being hijacked by Arab states' isn't supported by any facts at all! Israel, by accepting to be a UN member and continues to do so, has already committed itself to abiding by int' law and UN Res.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Re.242 doesnt say that a country can not aquire territory from an aggresive enemy especially if that territory is within your own state LOL! And those are "disputed territories" not territory of any Palestinian state...because there has never been a Pale. State. And again just because a law exists doesnt mean its right...everyone knows that Judea and Jerusalem are Jewish territories.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman 'everyone knows that Judea and Jerusalem are Jewish territories.'? No, not true, only Zionists and Israelis do. 'Re.242 doesnt say that a country can not aquire territory from an aggresive enemy'. It states clearly that the WB, Gaza and E Jerusalem are occupied Palestinian Territories. Accept this fact, cos nothing u say would ever change this. 'especially if that territory is within your own state LOL'? You have started on the wrong premise. Check int' law, yeah?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Int' law is universal; that's why it's called int' law, hence Israel must abide by int' law and withdraw back to its pre-1967 borders as demanded under int' law. BTW, u would love to talk about Israel's self-defence, but have u even recognised the Palestinians' right to resist an illegal occupation? Answer this!
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Int. Law is not universal, when did the public of the world vote for "int. law"? Never. And since when does it makes sense for a country to give up territory it won from an aggressive enemy who remains dedicated to its destruction? And why were the Palestinians attacking a pre-67 Israel? Was that "resisitence"? No. So there goes your resistence excuse. These people are dedicated to a Nazi/Islamic goal created during the nazi-era.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman I would cease talking to you and answering ur qns bcos u haven't even bother to answer my qns on the Fourth Geneva Convention.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast, Ive answered you...you just didnt like the answer. And why were the Pale.s terrorizing, and murdering Israeli civilians before Israel "occupied" the W. Bank and Gaza? The claim that Pale.s commit acts of terror against Israel because of Israeli "occupation" falls flat on its face in light of the fact that they were terrorizing Israel well before 67. Anti-Zionists makes some of the most ridiculous excuses for Arab Terror.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman No, so u think the Fourth Geneva Convention, UN Res. 242 and the inadmissibility to acquire territory thr war were all invented to Arabs? Be honest cos u haven't answer this qns yet! Oh, u dont care abt those int' law? Then I must rly say u are living in ur own fantasy!
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Consider this: how about Iran disregarding its int' obligations by simply dismissing int' law as being biased towards the US and Israel which it is doing as Israel does with regard to its own obligations? Let's face it: both Iran and Israel violates numerous UN Res. and int' law. If int' law can be dismissed so easily as being 'biased', then imagine...what would replace int' law?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Thats because int. law isnt really recognized law. How many states have violated "int. law"? Basically all UN member states has. Int. law is only invoked to atagonize another state (like the Arabs, Russia, and China against Israel) or to be used as a pretense to war against another country (as was the case with Iraq). When the world votes for Int. Law then its becomes real law...until then it will remain a joke.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman The fact that many countries violates numerous int' law doesn't give Israel, or any other country for that matter, a free ticket to violate int' law and ignore its int' obligations!! It's just like many people around you steal things from an unguarded workshop, does it then give u a legal justification to do the same thing? If you say int' law is only used to 'atagonize' other countries, then isn't Israel provoking war with Iran?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Israeli policies? Iranian policies? The fact is that u can argue as long and as much as u want, but u cant change the fact that Israel has the obligation and must abide by int' law. Can u change this fact? 2)Yes, Palestinian politics is far diff. than those of Israel's. I have studied Palestinian politics and Israeli politics in school.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman But however bloody Palestinian politics are, it doesn't change the fact that Israel must abide by int' law. Notice I'm arguing based on int' law, while u are always trying to blame the other side and ignore ur own obligations. 3) Jerusalem has always had a Arab presence. I would not question the right of both Jews and Arabs to the city, but I would follow int' law, which states that E Jerusalem is occupied Palestinian land.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast International law does not call Jerusalem Palestinian land. In fact the UN plans calls for Jerusalem to be a separate entity under UN control. And again int. law is not recognized law in any sovereign state if that law conflicts with domestic laws. The Arabs launched an aggressive war to destroy Israel and lost, and in addition Egypt and Jordan lost Gaza, Judea, and Jerusalem...places which belongs to the Jewish people anyway.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Funny. Numerous UN Res. label E Jerusalem, tgt with the WB and Gaza, as occupied Palestinian Territories. Do some research. Yes, the UN once called for Jerusalem to be under int' control, but since then the world has recognised E Jerusalem as occupied Palestinian land, a fact that stands true whether u like it or not.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman If u dispute this, u can go and argue it with the UN, but u cant simply dismiss it as being 'biased' without making ur case. 5) What do u mean by 'pro-Islamic views'? How about 'pro-Jewish views'? If u think that supporting int' law and demanding Israel ends its illegal occupation is being 'pro-Islamic', then you are really being a racist here.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast. Yes, the UN is biased against Israel which any honest observer will admit. What we see in the UN is simply a continuation of old anti-Semitism especially in the Arab/Russian block. And there is nothing illegal about Jews settling Judea and Jerusalem LOL....Since when did it become illegal to settle your own territory?
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman 'LOL....Since when did it become illegal to settle your own territory?'? That's true, but does the WB, Gaza and E Jerusalem belong to Israel? I'm afraid that's only true in the eyes of Israel. The US, UN, EU and Russia, and int' law recognised those lands as occupied Palestinian Territories, a fact that would stand true whether u like it or not. BTW, u haven't answer me my qns on the fourth Geneva Convention. Got stuck?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Notice I didn't say u are a 'pro-Jewish' person or anything. Let's argue based on int' law and facts, not name-calling. 6) Yes, Palestinians also do not obey int' law, but does that relieve Israel of its own obligations to abide by int' law?7) I need to tell u that during the creation of Israel, 750,000 Palestinians were evicted/ forced to leave/ leave due to fear the borders of the new state
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast. Again why should Israel follow int. law when the Arabs do not? Why should Israel give up territory to a people dedicated to destroying them? Why should Israel give up the Golan Heights to a hostile Syria? So they can start bombing Israeli cities again? Or put themselves at further risk to Pale. terrorists? Thats not going to happen.....that would be a stupid move. Those who scream "int. law" are not facing reality.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Yup, so one would be considered 'facing reality' when he supports the continued illegal Israeli military occupation, yeah? The fact is that u are not facing reality: u haven't even bother to answer my qns on the Fourth Geneva Convention. So much for putting out big unsupported statements like 'the int' law has being hijacked by Arab states'!
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast I dont care about Geneva nor any UN laws...only the laws voted by the people in the US. The Jews an oppressed people in all the countries of their Diaspora (incuding those ancient Jewish communities in Palestine) expelled from country to country are now being denied the right to their own country LOL. Wow what a shameful crime the world has committed against these people. Doing whats right trumps "int. law".
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman WOW! A perfect hypocritic and a lawless person! Hypocrite cos u ignored the plight of the Palestinian people and focuses only on the sufferings of the Jewish people. Lawless cos u practically ignored every int' law that deals with this issue and only believe in 'laws' that permits Israel's illegal occupation. Get real.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Yeah, Im a lawless person because I ignore the plight of the Pale. people that was created because they failed to "exterminate" the Jews, when the Arabs told them to flee their homes until all the Jews were dead. Yeah, im a lawless person because I hold responsible Pale.s who seek "to finish what Hitler started" provoking the Israelis. Yeah, im lawless because I see how the world has and is commiting a crime against the Jews of Israel.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman, But the fact is that the world is lawless and cruel in what they are doing to these people. You attacked and killed them in your countries, you expelled them, robbed them and now you deny them their tiny tiny 40 mile piece of land where they could live in peace away from you bloody antisemites...and you terrorize them. Thats lawless.....thats selfish......that is extremely evil.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Err... again if you see many ppl stealing from a warehouse, would u be justified to steal too?? Simple analogy. Simple qns. Simple enough for a person who would put out big statements without facts, simple enough for a person like u.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman 'plight of the Pale. people that was created because they failed to "exterminate" the Jews'? Wrong premise. 'when the Arabs told them to flee their homes until all the Jews were dead' hardly representative of the truth since u didn't recognise that majority of them were forcibly evicted by Israel/ out of fear of danger.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Yeah, many Arabs were then living on land purchased by the Zionists and working...until Husseini and the Arabs told them to flee until the Jews were all dead and that they could come back and claim all the land. Many obeyed while others did not. Those who didnt now enjoy the privilages of being Isreali citizens. *smile*
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman hahaha. U still haven't responded to my statement that Israel forcibly evicted the majority of the Palestinian refugees and Israel's continued refusal to allow them the right to return, a right enshrined under int' law!
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast, Most Palestinian refugees was created by the Arabs...as they have already admitted. If the Israelis evicted innocent Arabs, then how do you explain the Israeli-Arabs? The Israeli leaders encouraged Arabs to remain and become citizens which many did...while the hostiles either fled or rightly evicted. And the land they was living on was purchased by the Zionists.....they dont have a right of return to land they didnt own.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman 'as they have already admitted'? U mean Israeli leaders have admitted that Arab leaders were responsible for the refugee problem? ' then how do you explain the Israeli-Arabs'? I didn't say Israel evicted all Arabs, I said they evicted the majority of the Palestinians who became refugees. Read my comments carefully. 'rightly evicted'? 'dont have a right of return to land they didnt own'? True, but only in ur opinion and the official Israeli position, that is...
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast There is a video here on Youtube, a program by the BBC, about the so-called massacre at Deir Yassin, where Israeli soldiers were accused of rape. This claim was made by Dr. Hussein Khalidi secretary of the Palestine Arab Higher Commitee, to exaggerate Israeli atrocities so that the Arab armies would intervene. As the Arab in the video confirms when the Palestinians heard these rumours they fled in fear. The Arabs are mostly responsible.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman In addition to the above, the Arabs announced all over the radios for Palestinians to flee their homes until "the Jews would be pushed into the sea". Most Palestinians heeded this call...most even joined the Arab armies to destroy Israel...they failed. And now the world is clamoring for Israel to allow millions of these people into their democratic state (Muslims do not practice democracy by the way), keep clamoring.....it wont happen.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Say whatever u want, and it'll only shows u're denying the fact that Israel forcibly evicted the majority of the Palestinian refugees. Deir Yassin was just one of many atrocities committed by Israel, u cant use one BBC program to portray what really happened in its entirety. It's just like me giving u a video of a German politician denying the Holocaust..does it then mean that ALL Germans deny the Holocaust?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast The Arabs confessed Deir Yassin was a fabrication to provoke the Arab nations to invade Israel. These sort of fabrications have been common throughout the conflict, such examples includes the staged Al-Dura murder, Jenin, and the whole Pallywood phenom. And to compare Israel's defense against Islamic terrorism to Nazism reflects one's support of Hitler's Holocaust.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman. Isnt it interesting that the Arabs and pro-Palestinian crowd compares Zionism as Nazism, while at the same time praising the Holocaust? At thier rallies where Jewish symbols are fused with Nazi symbols, we see them giving the Nazi salute and saying such things as "Hitler should have killed all of you" and "Go back to the ovens!!!" Comparing Israel with Nazi Germany reflects ones true feelings of the Nazi Holocaust.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman U have wrongly assumed that I support Nazism. Yes, there are some Palestinian sympathisers who, wrongly in my opinion, praise the Holocaust, just as there are Israeli apologists who call for all Arabs to be expelled from the land. By trying to smear the entire anti-occupation movement, u have exposed ur only strength in ur case: smearing and slandering.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast LOL! Most Palestinians and Arabs supports Hitler's Holocaust...not just "some". Dont forget, Hamas, Hezbollah, and the PLO, were founded and trained by Nazis who were smuggled into the Arab world. The anti-Zionists have smeared themselves by supporting terrorists, and comparing Israel with Nazi Germany......which reflects their hatred for Jews......true pseudo-peace activists.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman 'Most Palestinians and Arabs supports Hitler's Holocaust...not just "some".'? U mean the Mufti of Jerusalem in mandatory Palestine, al-Husayni? 'Hamas, Hezbollah, and the PLO, were founded and trained by Nazis '? Funniest joke in weeks! Hamas was, FYI, founded and aided by Israel in the 80s to counter PLO's influence and as part of Israel's divide and rule policy. U can check this out urself. Hezbollah founded by Nazis? Hezbollah and PLO was created in the 30s and 40s?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast. LOL! Hamas was not "founded" by Israel. Israel supported Hamas during the early going because Hamas proclaimed that it would help the Palestinian condition. Hamas is an Islamic org. created by that Nazi Islamic group The Muslim Brotherhood. The more we debate the more you lie.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Oh rly? The more we debate the more I lie? Really? Or is it that the more I talk to you with facts, the more u crap? Get real. U can live in ur own world, cos it wouldn't take a historian to know the fact that Israel founded and actively aided Hamas in the 80s.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman BTW, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was not elected by the Palestinian people; he did not speak for or represent the Palestinian people. In fact, he was appointed and supported by the British rulers, not democratically-elected by the Palestinian people. The problem with ppl like u is that u can only use al-Husayni and his support for Hitler to blame the whole Palestinian people of supporting Nazism.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast LOL! Haj Admin is a hero of the Palestinian people whether they voted for him or not. After his dealings with the Nazis to exterminate the Jews Haj Admin became a figure to be revered by Palestinians....just like that other monster Hitler. Nazism is not just supported by most Palestinians....but most of the Arabs Muslims.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman OK. Crap received and trashed into the bin.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Where's ur prove of the claim? 'The anti-Zionists have smeared themselves by supporting terrorists, and comparing Israel with Nazi Germany......which reflects their hatred for Jews......true pseudo-peace activists.'? There u go again, using the word 'terrorists' to dismiss the entire Palestinian struggle and fight for its rights.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast. Fighting for "rights" is not done by killing innocent children by blowing up school buses or shooting them point blank in the head......Martin Luther King and his followers didnt do that....even the Black Muslims didnt adopt such terrorism.......you are making excuses for these people because you support terrorism (as youve already admitted).
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman The Zionists founded Israel by practicing terror methods against both Arabs and British civilians living in mandatory Palestine. U know why they did so? Cos they wanted to fight for their self-determination, just like what the Palestinians are doing today. Sure, there were no suicide bombings back then, but suicide bombing is just one of the many terror practices.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Actually the Zionists begin defending themselves after the Arab Riots led by Hajj Admin...Oh did I mention that the Nazis were funding these Riots? You cannot compare Islamo-nazi terrorists with the truly persecuted Jews...your attempt is laughable.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman My attempt is laughable? The truth speaks for itself and everyone can hear that, maybe except u who chose to live inside the world of official Israeli propaganda...why dont u play the 19-yr-old card again and show us how desperate u are?? Haha.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast LOL! Show me a UN Resolution against Hamas.....because I sure couldnt..heck I couldnt find one against the PLO. Surely the UN the protector and enforcer of "Int. Law" isnt a terror sponsor?
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Of course the UN isn't a supporter of terrorism..but it is a supporter of the universal right to self-determination! U couldn't find a UN Res. against Hamas? Sure abt that?? Haha, or are u trying to lie again?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman The fact that u are turning a blind eye to Zionists' crimes during the fight for the creation of Israel means u are practicing double standards. It is the same as when ppl say Israel can violate/ disregard int' law bcos North Korea and Iran does so. Double standards, pure crap, and big unsupported statements make up the pillar of ur argument.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Oh please. Lets see, Jews were being persecuted in Europe, in the Arab world, and then had to face Hajj Admin and his group of Jew haters in Judea. Jews expelled from Europe, Arab countries, and denied his right to Judea....The Palestinian Movement has nothing in common with Zionism.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Nothing? I dont see a need to rebuke that since I've alr done so and u are still selective in reading my comments. Anyway, ur use of the word 'Judea' ( i assume u are referring to 'Judea and Samaria', which is a Jewish biblical term for the occupied WB) exposes the real diff. btw us. U are living in biblical times and refuses to call it the WB, which is the int' name for what u called the 'Judea'. Only Israel and other Zionist Jews uses that 'Judea' term today.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast You found that Resolution for me? The West Bank was called Judea and Samaria up until Jordan annexxed her. Judea: meaning: land of the Jews.....not Arabs.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman The term 'Judea and Samaria' was used only by Jews and Zionists. The int' community doesn't use that term bcos it would imply that the illegal Israeli occupation of the WB is somehow..justified?!
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
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@PeaceForMidEast. Fighting for "rights" is not done by killing innocent children by blowing up school buses or shooting them point blank in the head......Martin Luther King and his followers didnt do that....even the Black Muslims didnt adopt such terrorism.......you are making excuses for these people because you support terrorism (as youve already admitted).
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman I guess the only true peace activists in ur eyes are those that carry the Israeli flag and espouse the continued illegal occupation. U are for a real and just peace? Haha.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman How does it feel if I implied that all pro-Israel ppl like you are against Arabs by supporting Israeli govt policies, simply based on what a minority of pro-Israel ppl say: the expulsion of Arabs from the land? Don try to smear the entire anti-occupation movement with the views of a radical and minority group's views.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast. The entire anti-Zionist movement is filled with terrorists, unethical reporters/media (many are involved in fabricating lies against Israel see Reuters fake photos, and France 2 staging of the Al-Dura murder....just a few examples), neo-nazis, Islamic radicals, and left-wing nuts, and right-wing extremists. Yes, this movement is filled with radical and extreme antisemitic elements.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman U should just face this reality: there are radicals on both sides of the conflict. Palestinians who want all Jews to be eliminated, and Israelis who want all Arabs to be eliminated. These views are in the minority, and radical as they are, they do not represent the will of the majority of the people.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Still trying to justify Palestinian terror huh? The reality is that most Palestinians are extremists. To say that only a minority of Palestinains are radicals is just being ridiculously ignorant. Palestinians are taught from children to hate Jews, and Israel....and to even commit terror. This is their culture, and most of them are products of this demonic culture. Jewish culture on the other hand is far different.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Wow! So Arabs are born to be killers while Jews are 'far different'?? The problem is why are u smearing the name of worldwide Judaism by trying to link and merge Judaism (religion) and Zionism (political) tgt? U are like al-Qaeda who's trying to link Islam (religion) and their goal of worldwide dominance (politics) tgt?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast. *sigh* I said that Palestinians are taught from *childhood* to be Jew haters and killers...dont believe me? Just look at Palestinian shows for children and see how Mickey Mouse teaches kids that its a good thing to kill Jews and to be a "matyr" for Allah where in heaven those who do such things receives 72 "black eyed virgins". Their culture pumps out radicals and killers....Jewish culture does not.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Of course Israel doesn't have any need to broadcast any inciting shows against the Palestinian people. U know why? Cos the Palestinians have alr been safely subdued and oppressed by the illegal Israeli occupation. There's no need for Hamas to broadcast such materials too! Living under the harsh Israeli occupation alone, without the need for Mickey Mouse to tell children to kill the occupiers, is enough to incite further Palestinian resistance.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast. Oh the Palestinians are a "subdued people" and oppressed. Yet they have the freedom to staged false Israeli atrocities aided by Western Media. They commit acts of terror against civilians, which International orgs. excuse and ignore. When Israel tries to defend itself these same orgs. step in and fabricate lies to aid the Pales...the Pales are not "subdued" and "oppressed" they are tools of both Arab/Western antisemitism.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Ok...okay I am so proud of you, ur level of absurdity just reach new heights every single day! Palestinians are tools of Arab/Western anti-semitism? Playing the anti-semitic card again?? Haha. So let's see: u play with the 19-yr-old card, the anti-semitism card and the Israel-has-a-right-to-self-defense ( even though it is maintaining an illegal occupation) card. But too bad for u, I've alr obliterated all ur playing cards! Want to come up with new cards to play?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast You can say I use this and that...but you are missing one imporatant fact...you cant disprove it. While I having studied both classical Arab/Western antisemitism can see it playing a major role in the Israel-Arab conflict. We have Islamic terrorist orgs. who admit their hitliterian goals, and we have European countries, hosts of antisemitism, funding radical Islamic orgs. and media propaganda ANTISEMITISM I said it.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Ya lah..anti-semitism right? Even Jews who criticised Israel's illegal occupation are now termed 'self-hating Jews' by ppl like you! I cant disprove it? Well, how can I / should I disprove ur denial of the existence of the illegal Israeli occupation when all u need to do is to read up?! How can I disprove ur claim that the Arab majority doesn't matter when all u need to do is to study the concept of democracy and the rule of the majority? The onus is on u to prove ur crap, not me.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Islamics do not pratice Democracy as you should know....and again the state Israel was founded on was purchased by the Jewish Agency. Why should the Jews allow themselves to be subjects in an Arab/Islamic state? Its not fun to live as Dhimmis.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Why should the majority Arabs in Palestine accept the minority Jews' wishes to create a Jewish state in mandatory Palestine? That's not my view, but I'm putting the Arabs' view to u. Can u answer that? Can u also answer me and tell me at what year was the Jews a majority in mandatory Palestine? Never! The Arabs have always been the majority in mandatory Palestine, smth u cant ever deny!
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Why? Beacuse 1. the Jews had a right to est. a Jewish state on land they owned (500,000 acres) 2. who are the Arabs who didnt own it to tell the Jews what to do with their land?
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Ur basic facts are wrong hence ur wrong assumption that 'who are the Arabs to tell the Jews what to do with their land'?? I would only say this to u: who are the minority Jews to tell the Arab majority that their own Zionist goals are to be fulfilled no matter what the Arab majority thinks and at the expense of the Arab majority's right to self-determination?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Unless u would accept that it is okay for the minority to impose their objectives over the majority population..if that's rly the case then I won't bother to hang around a kiddy adult like u any longer!
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast. The Jews owned 500,000 acres for the sole purpose of establishing their state on the Arabs nor anybody else has the right to tell them what to do with the land and how to run their state. Rember this state was est. so Jews wouldnt have to live with those who oppressed that...which unfortunatly includes the Arabs.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Blah...blah..blah...ur point has been taken and addressed.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Dont try to be funny. The Arabs have never say anything that Deir Yassin was a fabrication. Show me otherwise. I wonder how u can label all the Palestinian sufferings over the years as 'Pallywood'? No, I dont support Nazism. That's why I compare Nazi's occupation of E Europe to Israel's illegal occupation.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast. The video about Deir Yassin is here on Youtube, also Arab leaders have confessed that the refugee problem arose because of their blunders. I will give you sources for these. And yes Palestinians aided by the Western Media are staging Israeli atrocities...Robert Landes did a great job in exposing these liars, everyone should see his videos here on Youtube...it is unbelievable! Comparing Israel with Nazis is just twisted.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Haha...funny u can deny the immense suffering of the Palestinian people! I think by doing so, u have lost ur moral highground and right to condemn those who deny the Jewish sufferings in the Holocaust!
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman 'how the world has and is commiting a crime against the Jews of Israel'? Next time if u want to hold Iran to int' law, pls be prepared to be label a criminal against ' the Muslims of Iran'!
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast. Yes, the world is commiting a perpetual crime against the Jews. In all the countries of their Diaspora they were brutally oppressed, and expelled...they didnt want the Jews nor did they offer them protection. Now they are denying the Jews from their own country. The Catholics has the Vatican, the Muslims Mecca...but the world denies the Jew from the most holiest site of Judasim.....if the world cant see the wrong in that...then indeed humanity has lost its humanity.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
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@sugarhitman In this reply of urs, u haven't taken account my comments that ' Next time if u want to hold Iran to int' law, pls be prepared to be label a criminal against ' the Muslims of Iran'!. This refusal on ur part to take into account what I've said makes this reply of urs a complete nonsense. Are u talking to urself, btw?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast . You wouldnt see me holding Iran to Int. Law..why should they heed Laws that were not voted by the public...but by elites of member states? I also believe Iran should not have any nukes and would support an Israeli strike which has nothing to do with int. law but the domestic laws of Israel concerning Israeli security.
Theres your reply.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman There again, u have shown everyone ur utter contempt and disregard for int' law. Nothing new/ surprising from u.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast How many Americans do you believe actually holds Int. Law above their national laws? Most Americans frowns at the thought of being govern by laws by a Supranational org. like the UN....We did not vote for the UN or its undemocratic system. So you can keep screaming "Int. Law" all you wish, no nation will sacrifice their security for tokan laws.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Good point. Successive American govts and their supporters do not believe in int' law esp when it contradict their policies and goals. However, some int' laws, such as the right to self-determination, the inadmissibility to acquire territory thr' war and the right to life are universal values and are accepted by every country, except rogue states such as Nazi Germany and Israel.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast The same goes for all UN member states concerning int. law conflicting with nationalist policies. And by the way the drafters of res. 242 claims that their intentions was not for Israel to withdraw from all the territories, and certainly not to the indefensible borders of pre-67. Its calls for withdrawel when a peace deal is made and Israel's borders are "recognized and safe." The Arabs do not recognize Israel and continues to threaten her borders.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman I would urge u to study the 2002 Arab League peace plan and Res. 242 which calls for the Israeli withdrawal to the pre-1967 borders in exchange for the Arab world to recognise Israel.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Oh yeah if Israel withdraws the Arab League will then recognize Israel. I remeber Israel taking a huge step by withdrawing from Gaza...the result? More rockets from Hamas. Res. 242 calls for recognition, and secure borders FIRST, not after. And 242 does not call for a withdrawal to pre-67 borders as one of the drafters Goldberg says "is ridiculous". So sorry mate 242 does not agree with you.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman No, UN Res. 242 doesn't call for secured borders FIRST, as u put it. It only calls for the withdrawal of Israeli forces to its pre-1967 borders in exchange for peace and recognition from the Arab countries. Abt Gaza and rockets? As far as reality is concerned Israel never ended its illegal occupation of Gaza.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast LOL! 242 says that withdrawal should be to "recognized and secure borders"...which means that Israel's borders must be secure and recognized before any withdrawal. And Israel did end its "occupation" of Gaza but had to set up a blockade after Hamas thanked them with more rockets, and because of the use of UN and humanitarian vehicles for smuggling of weapons and suicide bombers.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman 1.The blockade of Gaza was set up before Hamas was even elected to office. 2. During the cease fire not only did Hamas fire no rockets but they actually tried to stop lone rocket attacks. 3. On 11/4/08 Israel violated the cease fire by killing 5 Hamas fighters in Gaza. Hamas kept to the cease fire agreement. Israel did not. YOU FAIL.
genYprogressive 1 year ago
@genYprogressive 1. The Blockade was in response to Palestinian rocket attacks, and weapons smuggling (using UN vehicles by the way). 2. Hamas did not attempt to prevent these attacks as you claim because your own HRW said Hamas released the perpetrators "without explanation". 3. Egypt pleaded with Israel not respond to these attacks. 4. Israel responds by tightning the blockade.
Yoy fail.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Nice try, but the smuggling of wepons in U.N. vehicles that you talk about was in 2004. And Israel admitted that the wanted to use Gaza as a oppertunity to restore its "Deterrance Capacity" in March 08. They say so on the IDF website. Deturance Capacity is code word for terrorizing civilians.
Woud you like to try again?
genYprogressive 1 year ago
@genYprogressive, Hamas has never stopped its smuggling operations, and thanks for confirming UN and UNRWA complicity in aiding terrorists. Deterrance Capacity? LOL! Do you even know what you are talking about? So we have international agencies exploiting their "humaniterian" titles to aid Hamas weapons manufactoring, which is the primary reason of the Israeli Blockade.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman The blockade does not even have anything to do with Hamas it was put in place before they were even in power.James Wolfenson was sent there to break the blockade. B'Tsalem described what is happening there as the destruction of a civilization. You say they don't want wepons brought in. Explain to me how blood bags, vaccines, water, and medical supplys are wepons that can be used aginst Israel?
genYprogressive 1 year ago
@genYprogressive, I am talking about the Blockade set up from 2007 after the Israelis withdrawed from Gaza and the Rocket attacks kept coming...from the day of the withdrawel until the 2007 Blockade. Israel on the advice of Egypt did not retaliate, until they had enough. And yes Israel does allow humanaterian supplies, and yet the rockets kept coming...how do you think the rockets got into Gaza? Through magic?
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman No they didn't allow aid to get through. There was a 94% poverty rate in Gaza in 08. There were more Israelis killed in car crashes in that time than from Hamas Rockets. Israel purposly used White Phosperous on civilians in Gaza, do you even know what White Phosperous is?
genYprogressive 1 year ago
@genYprogressive Yes they did, and millions of dollars are given to Palestinains which is not used constructively. From 2000-2007 there were over 8000 rockets fired at the Israelis by Hamas in addition to the 1000s fired by Hezbollah killing and injuring many Israelis. In 2007 alone there were over a 100 of these rockets fired injuring and killing Israelis..thus the 2007 Blockade. WP is for illumination a legal weapon.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman They did not use WP for illumination. They used it to burn alive civilians and terrorize them in Gaza.
genYprogressive 1 year ago
@genYprogressive, They did not use WP for burning civilians LOL! HRW (an anti israel org.) said only 10 Pales. were suspected of being injured by WP...stop slandering.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman You are lying about what it is primarly used for it is used to obscure the veiw of the enemy in battle. 1. An Israeli arms company makes non-lethal smoke shells. They could have use that insted. 2. There were no troops anywhere it was dropped. 3. WP is supposto be fired on the ground, they fired it from the air. 4. They dropped it on al-Quds Hospital, containing 1500 Gazans. on the baat laija school with 1600 people. ARGUMENT OBLITERATED.
genYprogressive 1 year ago
@genYprogressive, I know what its used for, at night its used for illumination purposes.....and it provides cover for aircraft, and groundforces. Everytime Palestinians or left wing anti-Israel orgs. (most funded by Ford Foundation and EU) makes claims such as "attacked hospital" "attacked UN" "attacked buildings with tank shells" (my favorite lie, see "Pallywood") they are usaully exposed as lies...which they seem pretty good at doing.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Yes, ideally WP is used for illumination at night/ to cover the movement of ur troops and that's not illegal under int' law. But what's illegal is the use of WP in densely-populated areas like the residential neighbourhoods in Gaza. Israel bombed UN schools, aid warehouse and even al-Quds hospital with WP!! Can u deny that? Or would u say it is bcos Hamas hides behind civilians that u shell it with WP??
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Oh deary, didnt know that WP burned through some buildings...which guess what? didnt kill anyone. And please who are your sources for your allegations? Hamas sends 1000s of rockets and morters into Israel killing civilians....Int. Community quiet. Israel goes after terrorists using WP for illumination, that didnt kill anybody and the world goes nuts. LOL!
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman So Israel didn't kill hundreds of Palestinian civilians in 'precision' air strikes? So the int' community is mum abt the rocket attacks? So Israel is going after terrorists? Or is it going after civilians? Bcos, all records, UN and human rights groups, even B'Tselem, shows most Palestinians killed are not 'terrorists', rather they are women and children. So tell me how genuinely successful is Israel's fight against 'terrorists'?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast B'Tselem is funded by European countries and the Ford Foundation. These two orgs. are prominent funders of anti-left wing NGOs who are part of the smearing of Israel. There are videos here on youtube showing how terrorists dresses as civilians (see Terrorists escaping in UN Vans). These orgs. uses for their claims Palestinian sources which thinks to Pallywood we know are not reliable.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Ya lah..now even B'Tselem isn't credible anymore! Maybe in ur eyes, the only credible source is the Israeli govt and the IDF. Israel is certainly not the most moral country in the world, but it is the best country in pretending to be civilised and innocent.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Israel is the state of the Jews...it is populated by people who were oppressed by all nations....this hate for Jews continues and is directed against Israel. Its no accident that the nations that persecuted the Jews are Israel's biggest critics. Leftwing Jews always opposed a Jewish state even before Zionism. B'Tselem is funded by the EU and Ford Foundation an org. created by a notorious Jew hater Henry Ford.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman 'Israel is the state of the Jews...it is populated by people who were oppressed by all nations....this hate for Jews continues and is directed against Israel.' U mean the hatred for Zionism? Why are u so despicable in linking Zionism with Judaism? To hate Zionists means u are an anti-semite? Haha, spare me this joke of urs; im alr in a pretty good mood today, joker!
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman So there are also Americans who criticised Israel's policies, there are also Canadians and even Koreans who criticised Israel. Are they also perpetrators of past persecution of the Jews? Get real, man! 'B'Tselem...funded by the EU....Ford'? Yes, I alr know that the only sources credible to u are the IDF and the Israeli govt'. Dont need to remind me of ur ignorance.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast, Canadians are Europeans just as most Americans, and yes antisemitism exists in both countries. And yes this campaign against Israel is motivated by Antisemitism. B'Tselem is funded by the EU and the Ford Foundation as are many anti Israel NGOs........You really havent studied have you? Like I said you got a long way to go.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Most Jewish immigrants to Palestine in the 30s and 40s are Europeans who came to Palestine to escape Hitler's Germany. So many of ur ancestors are Europeans themselves too! 'And yes this campaign against Israel is motivated by Antisemitism.'? Anti-semitism card again? Haha.Okay.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Tell me, did B'Tselem said Israel is an illegal state or that the Jews are 'sub-humans' as anti-semite Hitler puts it? Otherwise ur claim that criticism of Israel's policies is anti-semitism doesn't hold water. 'You really havent studied have you? Like I said you got a long way to go'? Desperate attempt by u..again..playing the age card..this is so typical of u!!
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast B'Tselem is a vehicle for European interests in the mideast.....which is to demonize Israel....just like the other anti-Israel NGO's and the Western Media. European money and money from the antisemitic Ford Foundation energizes it and them....Sorry but its no secret that these are their funders which isnt even a secret.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
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@sugarhitman 'B'Tselem is a vehicle for European interests in the mideast.....which is to demonize Israel....just like the other anti-Israel NGO's and the Western Media'? 'but its no secret that these are their funders which isnt even a secret'? Give me facts and egs to prove ur point that B'Tselem and Europe wants to 'demonise' Israel.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman, Opponents often bring up the WP used in Gaza, but fail to mention that only 10 Pale. victims are suspected of being injured by WP (HRW). What about those Israelis killed or injured by Qassam rockets? No one cares...no one says a thing about that. I noticed something else also, there is not one UN Resolution against the Palestinian terror or Israel's enemies......Sad.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman 'there is not one UN Resolution against the Palestinian terror or Israel's enemies'? Patently false statement from u again, unsurprisingly. It is sad that Israeli and Palestinian civilians are paying such a heavy price for the expansionist policies of successive Israeli govts'. Blame ur govt' for continuing the illegal occupation which spurred the rocket attacks.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Show me a UN Resolution against Hamas terrorism...and gime the number of that resolution...good luck. And BTW why did they attack Israel before the "occupation"?
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Haha, u are a real idiot. I've explained to u countless times why the Palestinians attack a pre-1967 Israel. It's obvious u dont care to read my comments when I answered ur qns and then u'll come back and ask the same qns over and over again. Pathetic...As for the UN Res, u can go to the UN website by typing 'UN' on Google and press search. Then press the UN website and explore it urself. I dont have any obligation to spoon-feed u on this conflict.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman So, let's say, for argument's sake, that if the WP didn't manage to kill any Palestinians, it is therefore not a crime. So I can safely assume that in the same sense, u would agree that a Hamas suicide bomber isn't committing a crime when he blows himself up at a Tel Aviv cafe without killing anyone other than himself? Double-standards card from u again. Sad and pathetic.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@genYprogressive Well said. But I guess your kind effort to educate sugarhitman wouldn't pay off at all..I've alr put forward facts and evidence to him and he still insist on the official Israeli propaganda!
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast. Yes its Israeli propaganda when Pale. and western media stages fake murders like Al-Dura. Its Israeli propaganda when left wing NGO's, Pales, and Media fabricate "Massacres" like Jenin. Its Israeli propaganda when org.s like the UN and UNRWA are exposed for allowing Hamas to use their vehicles for weapons smuggling. And none say nothing about the 12000 rockets fired on Israeli civilians.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Blah...blah...blah... UN allowed Hamas to use their vehicles for weapons smuggling? Haha, did u just type the words 'UN bias for Hamas' on Google a moment ago and u just give me anything u've found on the search page? Cos ur claim is baseless. 'none say nothing about the 12000 rockets fired on Israeli civilians'? WOW! U dont have a TV set at home?? So sad.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast I see that you are not aware of Hamas using UNRWA vehicles for smuggling...which is something UNRWA itself does not deny,,,,and neither some of US congressmen. Keep hanging with me kid and you will learn a lot. BTW having a tv or not is irrelevant, I asked you to find me a UN Res. against Hamas and you have failed to do so...why is that?
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman 'neither some of US congressmen'? U mean congressmen who depend on AIPAC money for their political survival? No, both the UNHWA and Hamas has denied using UN or other humanitarian vehicles for weapons smuggling. No one has any evidence to suggest this...hmm..maybe except the Israeli govt, who seems to be able to get hold of info no other org. can..
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Kid the video is here on Youtube clearly showing terrorists escaping in a UN vehicle...some of those terrorists are dressed as civilians. You didnt hear of it because the media didnt report it.....it was captured by a Reuters cameraman. This problem was brought up in Congress. These are facts. And US leaders dont need Aipac monies for "political survival".
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Let's start from the bottom point 'US leaders dont need Aipac monies for "political survival'? Hmm.. those US politicians who even dare to criticise Israel's policies towards the Palestinians are attacked with vicious and baseless labels like 'anti-semite', 'Jew-hater' or even 'freedom hater'!! A gd eg of how dependent US politicians are on AIPAC for pol. survival is the fact that half of Congress attends the annual propaganda conference of AIPAC.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman It is well-known that US politicians depend on AIPAC money / at least AIPAC's not slandering them when they criticise Israel for their political survival. As for the US Congress thing, check the number of times Congress has criticised Israel and passed a res. on it. Check the no. of times Congress has recognise the Palestinians' right to resist occupation/ at least an end of illegal Israeli occupation and u'll know how even-handed Congress is in dealing with this conflict.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast, American leaders support Israel because most American voters do, not because of Aipac (although Aipac is influential and it needs to be). And Palestinians do not have a right to commit terror, because 1. They never owned Judea, 65% of Judea was state owned land. 2. They rejected Partition 3. They rejected Barak's offer. 4. They continued attacks when Israel withdrawed from Gaza. They just want to kill Jews because their religion commands it.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Ok..okay...kiddy adult, I need a break from listening and correcting ur crap for u. U see, I have no obligation to educate u or to point out that ur case is really weak and unsupported. I've addressed ur pt 1,2,3,and 4. Even ur last Islamo-phobic view has been totally countered.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman 'Keep hanging with me kid'? Haha..playing the age card again bcos u have no concrete things to say! Play it! Continue to show us how desperate u rly are. We don't mind it...but maybe u would, unless u are not concerned with showing ppl ur utter ignorance. Having a TV is relevant. Bcos then u'll be able to watch channels other than Israeli govt' propaganda...
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Yes, it withdrew its settlers and soldiers from Gaza, BUT it maintains absolute control over Gaza's airspace, sea borders, and land borders (except the one at Rafah). Hardly a withdrawal considering all these.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Hence, considering the fact that Israel never ended its illegal occupation of Gaza, however stupid and hurtful to their just cause, Hamas still has a reason and a right to resist.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman So u can tell me that many people do not believe in int' law, but does it change the fact that there are such int' laws and UN members are obliged to abide by them? Does it, in any way, relieve Israel of fulfilling its int' obligations by abiding by int' law?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman The fact is that u can continue to deny int' law and say that many people doesn't believe in it and therefore, in some sense, Israel need not abide by int' law. If u really believe Israel has no duty to abide by int' law, then u are implying that Israel should leave the UN.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Ur utter disregard for int' law, and the fact that u are only interested in Israeli 'laws', means this discussion is meaningless. How can u envisage Israel to continue being a UN member when it doesn't care abt int' laws?? Ur argument against int' law and against Israel following int' law makes no sense at all. Not even the Israeli govt' would argue against the basic importance and relevance of int' law!!
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Some of these "laws" were made after Israel's membership and after the 67 war such as res. 242. Just because Israel is a member of the UN does not mean it has to accept laws voted into existence by hostile states. Its no accident that res. 242 was drafted by Britian, a state who opposed the creation of Israel, and aided the Arabs in the 48 war. Res. 242 was drafted so that Jordan, a client state of Britian, could retain the West Bank.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman A collection of fiction from u. The British opposed the creation of Israel? The British helped the Arabs in the '48 war? Tell me what books do u read? No, Res. 242 was not voted in by hostile states,it was voted in by the Security Council, which includes countries such as the U.S. and India! Are these states hostile to Israel? So America is hostile to Israel in 1967?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast You mean you dont know about Britian's be