I still dont believe in this "Chemtrail" theory, personally I am far more concerned abuot Nuclear Power/pollution/weapons the thousands of new chemicals and solvents created every year, basic food safety issues, fresh water supplies, deRegulation, Privatization (corporatization), of Americas Health, education and transpertation infrastructure and our government, Equality, Justice, Democracy, Peace, & Compassion etc.
I don't trust many people in our government either but they breath the same air we do so wouldn't they object too? & where are the whistle blowers? ... BTW lets support our whistle blowers, it takes courage and they do a great service.
A year and a half of research uncovers the best videos that explain what they are REALLY Doing with the chemtrail technology and how this ties in with directed energy weapons and high tech surveillance technology.
Go to hubpages.com -- go to the article: Chemtrails: The "Shocking" Truth
This always happens when it is known that rain or any form of falling precipitation will occur within the next two days.Tuesday, January 3rd in South Plainfield, NJ was a bright and sunny day without clouds, and no trails.Wednesday the fourth however....
@88TFalcon They are all over the skies almost daily in los angeles. Im passing out flyers everyday and talking with people. Many are telling me they are having bad respiratory problems along with their kids. I am very angry and I will make alot of noise.
@TheSpitmitt don't forget car exhaust, fireplaces, industry, oil refineries, dander, pollen, dust, lint, break-dust, tire-dust, and nuclear fallout from fukushima, there are so many things that don't even occur to us that contribute or cause respratory problems, Everythinig we bring into our environments puts off fumes & dust, what is that "new car", "New house" or "new computer" smell?
We pollute our own environment every day in so many ways that we are unaware of. don't get tunnel vision!
I live near an airport. The sky is clear, so obviously there are absolutely NO planes flying in or out of the airport today (no trails in the sky)...that is, if you believe the nonsense that there is no such thing as chemtrails! Amazing, how so many fail to see the obvious! Some days, the skies are totally covered with the "haze" from expanding chemtrails - other days the sky is totally clear. Every single day, hundreds of planes fly in and out of the airport...figure it out, sheeple!
Chem trails? What bulls**t! I guess the government couldn't manufacture a transparent spray! Oh no, it must be puffy and white and visible from the ground. Idiots like this guy are making a fortune duping dopes.
@PaulRubino Is that why Griffin and the other creators of What in the World are the Spraying ENCOURAGE purchasers of their dvd to copy it and give away copies? Cuz they're so focuse on making a fortune?
What a bunch of half wits. A "persistent contrail" never appeared over Montana until 1999, then the entire Big Sky was crammed with garbage. Thousands of soil/water tests have established the composition of the garbage falling out, pilots, federal employees have provided corroborating testimony with detailed specifics, including well informed and very reputable scientists. Sounds like a pack of self styled scientists, probably brainwashed journalists who couldn't pass freshman physics.
Is Argentina in Nato? It doesn't seem to be according to the map, but I think they have chemtrails there. I notice the number of trolls on this site is very high. For anybody who is convinced by them, just look at some of the extreme pictures on the Internet. These are not an exaggeration, because I have seen the same thing myself. Did you ever see this in the past??
G. Edward Griffin is a life-long member of the radically far right John Birch Society, so he hardly qualifies as having "powerful insight". Following the link to the website I noticed tee shirts for sale in addition to the $20 dvds. I really hope people don't just swallow this nonsense without doing some fact checking on this "info".
@mrbr549 He saw, and wrote about, virtually every financial drama currently happening. 25 years ago. Griffin is sharp. Also, he's encouraging purchasers of What in the World Are They Spraying to COPY AND GIVE AWAY COPIES OF THE FILM.
absolutely more humid, it does not mean that the air can become saturated enough to form 'persistent' contrails.When the air does become saturated and a trail happens in cold air,that trail is quickly dissipated because of the large volume of unsaturated air around it. When the air is humid at lower altitudes because it holds more absolute water vapour,a trail cannot be formed.Chemtrails exist by elimination
People start believing this stuff and attack the government and spout nonsense before they actually think about it. They never think why would governments the world over be poisnoning its own people with these contaminants when it can so easily affect them too. They breathe the same air we do. They just get brainwashed before they ask about the source and reasoning behind it. Reasoning seperates us from animals. So are you more stupid than a monkey?
Has anyone noticed that most of the shills channels have nothing to do with chemtrails or anything related. For the most part there is almost no information except maybe a few music or gamer videos.
real or not - WHY AND WHAT? what would they be spraying and WHY? what for? doesn't make sense to me, maybe the word 'conspiracy theorist' or 'conspiracy nut' could be applied in this case.
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I dunno... this Griffin guy looks like he has reptile eyes in this video, and even a lizard tongue (2:16). The light from the window is showing this shape-shifter for what he is. He doesn't seem very trustworthy!
Dramatic change in temps&sky!We had a clearer view of hills(about 1.5 to 2 miles away)just a couple of summers ago.Noticed blatant chem trailing winter through late spring 2010.We now have a continuous haze blocking our previously clearer view of hills around the bay area of San Francisco(also blocks sunlight)There is now a gray colored haze mixed w/fog off coast.Natural lighter colored fog used to clearly hug hills, but now there is a mess of dirty gray haze combined w/fog.Warmer temps.
@Singledad03 stop the chemtard shit.We`ve already established that the chemtrail phenomenon is real.Large amounts of metallic aerosols have been dispersed into our upper atmosphere and converted it into a plasma state.Look at the patents,the military`s stated goals and interests,and the material evidence that has turned up.Its not hard to piece it together.
Everyone needs to post the link to this video...EVERYWHERE when it's released. It MUST go VIRAL immediately! Link to it from every social media site that you can.
WARNING CHEMTRAIL ALERT. WE thought all spraying stopped in Cal U.S.A. I now get reports from all over the world many places are getting hammered and thier bee and bat populations are dying. I got a report of night spraying in southern cal U.S.A.. Cal residents please check the night sky and send me your reports. Whats happening out there? If you live some where else please report on your area. 1. Time of spraying. 2. Area & country. 3.How often. 4.Illnesses ect. Thank you. God bless you all.
If it''s so damned good for society, WHY IS IT BEING KEPT SECRET? The "benefit" is the depopulation of the planet. Murderers, liars, and thieves control our planet and who do you think is their "chosen one?"
thanks for putting this video out there, i have been taking pics. of these things for several yrs. now & KNOW THEY ARE BAD- - - -VERY BAD, FOR US ALL!!! :( WAKE THE HELL UP, YOU-ALL!!! N-O-=W IT THE TIME--- ACTUALLY, PAST TIME!.
I built a (Don) Croft cloudbuster and gifted up the town with orgonite. Presto chemtrails went from constant to occasional, generally on new weather fronts, else they dissipate rapidly (still persisting longer than true contrails). The cops mellowed out a lot too, and stopped the taser torture and illegal searches. Croft has a site and there's a yaahooo grooup "cloudbusters". Learn how to fix your town. (Don't let Dragon send you anything.)
Lol ohh no the goverment could never do such a thing to the citizens could it?
You bet you ass they would, afterall what are we to them really, the whole system is designed to subverse the masses and that is a fact now those at the top of the tree are more than capable of poisoning the citizens. Just like water flouridation most countrys do not use it so why do mine, it is not needed yet they spend money to add it, you would have to be a complete fucktard to trust goverment.
multi-purpose strategy, no doubt. if busted, the govt can admit to one facet of the program but continue hiding the others. but given the advances in upper atmosphere signal reflection (C3I, weather, crowd behavior / influence) i suspect one aspect of chemtrails is potentially for national defense.
We were sprayed at very low levels todays as the cloud cover was low and it rained a little. Contrails do not form at 4000ft folks! EMF's and Aluminium mess up our DNA. These are the facts!
Normal planes fly straight and dissapear the spray planes form huge checker patterns in the sky they know that it will spread and join into a huge cloud.As far as everyone involved knowing about this conspiracy it just doesn't work that way the orders come from the top and everyone falls into line no questions asked or your out.Pilots know they spray but not what theyre spraying!
I call out to everyone to do your own research! You dont believe in chemtrails? Well maybe you should investigate the dozends of patents and political agendas that demand geo-engineering for all kind of purposes. Government already admitted that they wanna use planes for spraying the atmosphere. There is tons of video footage on youtube that reveals chemtrailing. Those are NOT CONTRAILS, there is a big difference. A lot of research has yet to be done. help with it !
You can add Australia to that list of countries they spray my area every couple of days but not one of the people I've spoken to knows what's going on,most of them either haven't noticed it or just overlook it as if it's normal,I guess that's what the NWO is hoping for.I wish people would wake up.I've pointed at planes doing it and people just go into a turtle shell as if it isn't happening.
Freud said it best, people demand illusions over truth
The truth is an insult to most so they agree to not question each others fantasies about how the world works.
If anyone takes the time to stop lying to themselves about some of their core beLIEfs they will see that the party is in full control and 2+2 has been 5 for a long time.
People would sooner kill the messenger than admit they have been duped, they aren't immortal & aren't going to live forever in heaven
Freud said it best, people demand illusions over truth
The truth is an insult to most so they agree to not question each others fantasies about how the world works.
If anyone takes the time to stop lying to themselves about some of their core beLIEfs they will see that the party is in full control and 2+2 has been 5 for a long time.
Psst, 2+2=4, pass it on.
People would sooner kill the messenger than admit they have been duped, they aren't immortal & aren't going to live forever in heaven
I want to know not only why but who gives the order to spray. It's the military doing the spraying right? But who is in charge, the generals, the CIA, NSA? It can't be the president, he doesn't run the show. So what agency is it? Someone told me chemtrail spraying began during the Bush 41 administration in early 1990s. I don't know if this is true.
@lllraverslll I'm with you. I grew up during the transition from propeller-driven aircraft to jet-powered aircraft. I still look up whenever I hear a plane fly by. When I was a kid the sky was a vivid blue. It's been a scuzzy washed out gray for several years now since the spraying started. I feel sorry for the younger generations who may never see the sky as it was meant to be. Since we have no say in the spraying, we once again have taxation with NO representation.
@papahockeybear People are finding alarmingly high rates of aluminum in lakes and their local water... it so happens that there is a patent to combat global warming which is to spray aluminum into our air by jets to reflect light away from the earth, cooling it. Called geo-engineering. Look up a youtube video called, Using Cloud-Seeding GeoEngineering to Solve Global Warming. It is a no brainer. The "solution" has already begun but they don't wanna bother with telling us about it.
I have seen them in turkey, saudi arabia and heard of them in iran.
seen them in all of europe and north america
the thing is that these bastards are using our own money to spray us.
the new jacked up taxes on fuel, airfare and many other things are used to fly this goddamn planes. it costs $20,000 dollars (USD) per plane per flight.
@Matey3 Australia my friend is copping it badly every couple of days.what get's me is that the pilots probably have no idea what they are spraying because their families live all around me near the air force base,if they knew they were poisining their own families they would revolt!!!
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from the Encyclopædia Britannica also called Condensation Trail, or Contrail,
streamer of cloud sometimes observed behind an airplane flying in clear, cold, humid air. It forms upon condensation of the water vapour produced by the combustion of fuel in the airplane engines. When the ambient relative humidity is high, the resulting ice-crystal plume may last for several hours.
If the temperature is above minus forty degrees or less than 100% relative humidity, then the ice crystals will sublime (turn back into gas without going through a liquid phase, like dry ice) in about a minute or less and the contrails will disappear
And in the X number of years that this "chemtrail" stuff has been going on, NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM has come out and said anything about it! What is the chance of a plot that requires the help of a half-million people being secret for more than six milliseconds? Zero.
The existence of a huge and sinister plot is completely lacking in evidence. The President; Congress; SecDef; Director of the FAA; the entire command structure of the various armed services; every military man or woman who flies, maintains, fuels, and overhauls aircraft; every commercial pilot and crew member; every meteorologist; and every aerospace engineer who builds, sells, modifies would have to be in on the plot
Anyone who would like to read a recent scientific paper regarding persistent contrails- a real world example where they actually study several over hours and determine which flights they came from- it even has pics of "dripping"- should google this title and read- even if you thinks its "disinfo" its probably good to know what the enemy is saying:
"Contrails to Cirrus- Morphology, Microphysics, and Radiative Properties"
Journal of Applied Meteorology and Climatology 2006
Folks, you keep hearing about 'super-saturated' air, and 100% humidity. If the air could hold no more water then it release that water... then the air could hold more water. A steam room has 'super saturated' air (LOL, i can't help but laugh every time I see or say that word! LOL) Do you see your breath in there? NO! If you smoked in there would you see the cigarette smoke aka CHEMTRAIL? YES!
@wearechangela , I agree with you 100 percent. I really don't get these braindead people. Especially this papahockeybear. Isn't he that old man who always protests Israel? You would think someone who could discern fact from fiction despite propaganda would be able to recognize it when he sees it. I guess he is either a shill or just lonely and needs any kind of attention he can get. Sad. My sister died from this aerosol poison and she was only 37. Plus, I have literally 1000s of hrs research.
@chromelung66 You confuse opinion with facts, equate hypotheses with theories, do not reason logically, engage in ad hominem arguments, cannot or will not read peer-reviewed journals --- the list goes on and on.
To best see how upper layer atmosphere vapor varies just go to any of the free forecast maps that have color water vapor satellite images and you can see for yourself. You will then be able to see that on days when you see these long skylines that it is the same days that vapor content is also elevated. Keep in mind that it takes much less water vapor at 30000 ft -40 to reach 100% relative humidity(full tank) levels.
When you go to any of the free forecast maps that have color water vapor satellite images and you can see for yourself what the weather forecasters are telling us... that mass amounts of aluminum are being sprayed by military jets creating false radar readings of clouds. Does anyone hear think that mass amounts of aluminum can be good for anything at all? Alzheimers cases have risen dramatically and at younger ages. Aluminum causes Alzheimers and damages your immune system. Take your vitamins!
@papahockeybear, Great post! Very well written and completely accurate. It's too bad your factual post falls on ignorant ears, so to speak. I am constantly amazed and amused by how badly these people misunderstand the most basic of scientific principles. It's funny how this person doesn't understand air saturation, yet has the nerve to use the term "This is not rocket science", suggesting that he/she actually understands science, at all.
G. Edward Griffin is one of the nicest most charming and intelligent person you will ever meet. For 50 yrs of his life he has been tirelessly opening the minds of countless people worldwide to the various ponerogenic groups that have secretly ruled us. I just feel that on this issue of "chemtrails"he is wrong. Ed like most of you just need to do some more research on the science of contrail formation to become better informed on this one issue.
@JimBridger100 Claiming that you will see contrails in the troposphere (the part of the atmosphere closest to the surface of the Earth), where clouds form, is like saying you will see your breath in a steam room or a sauna. Thats absurd.
@JimBridger100 Jim, you are definitely doing your best to confuse the conversation. Your breath WILL NOT be seen in a sauna or steam room. Read it again. Just like contrails, they will not appear in humid conditions. The problem is you are doing research in the wrong places. Contrail formation does not take much research. It's a simple matter of basic physics.
As soon as droplets form, they continue to mix with the outside air, and are quickly evaporated in the drier air, and the contrail disappears. If it does not disappear, then it is not a contrail, it is made up of other substances i.e. chemicals; thus, CHEMTRAILS.
@papahockeybear You are saying that contrails form in cold air because the humidity is at 100% ? Okay poopoohack that proves that you are just throwing out anything you can and hoping it sticks. Contrails form in cold DRY air. We are talking simple physics here. If the trail persists, then it is not a contrail, it is rather a CHEMTRAIL.
@wearechangela 1. Contrails can not form in dry air at all because dry air will absorb any additional water vapor no mater how cold the air is. This is what happens most of the time. 2. Contrails that persist that you think are chemtrails only form when the air is supersaturated (100% humidity) because the air has absorbed all the water vapor it can hold and is incapable of absorbing anymore.(the tank is full) These are facts supported by every encylopedia,university,NOAA and NASA .
3.Persistent contrails only form in very cold 100% humidity conditions. If you say this is not true then support your claim with a reference from the source you get your backwards science from.
@papahockeybear "Persistent contrails only form in very cold 100% humidity conditions." im no scientist but I see persistent contrails all summer long and I live in a far southern state where its never cold. Please enlighten me as to why i see them though they are only suppost to form under "very cold" conditions.
@gsukrw06 Because contrails formed at 30,000 ft. altitude where the temps average around -40f and the winds speeds are often 80mph+. Sorry about your nieces sicknesses but it can't be from persistent contrails because they are compose of very pure water ice crystals.
@papahockeybear i live near a major airport and i see trails form way before jets reach cruising altitudes...once again im no scientists, just reporting what i see with my own eyes. My nieces arent "sick", theyve been diagnosed with nothing other than having "unexplainable" breathing problems. So when a group of ppl have an explanation for it, i cant just brush them off becuz the govt says "theyre crazy." I trust uncle sam about as much as i trust a thief in the night.
@gsukrw06 I would need a photo of what you are seeing to properly analyze this view.Try going to the article "A Problem of Perspective in OC" in the web site ContraiScience to compare photos and discriptions with what you are seeing. It's also a great sight to learn the REAL SCIENCE behind contrail formation. Ask any question you like and you will get a respectful and informed answer.
@papahockeybear Then please explain why I have 4 nieces who are on daily breathing treatments, cough so much they miss school, and can barely play outside because they cant breathe. My family has zero history of respiratory issues. ZERO. But somehow, in one generation there are 4 of us who cant seem to breathe. And i know many kids like this. Not sayin im sold on chemtrails, just sayin thats pretty damn sketchy to me.
In the cold dry air, water molecules (the vapor) in the jet engine exhaust lose the energy that, when they're warm, keeps them moving. Instead of bouncing around, they crowd up next to each other. And as they slow down, the molecules change from a gas state to denser liquid and solid states. the temporary visible cloud of tiny particles of water and ice that you see in the form of a contrail. Then the moisture quickly evaporates in the dry air. If they 'persist' then the particles are CHEMICAL.
Claiming that you will see contrails in the troposphere, where clouds form, is like saying you will see your breath in a steam room or a sauna. Thats absurd.
@wearechangela , we'd all be leaving 4 hr trails behind us & our cars. We'd be walking & driving around in permanent fog! LOL! The 33K altitude argument holds no weight as Ive seen 100's of trails at the Cumulus cloud altitude of 6-8000 feet. YouTuber "tankerenemy" has documented this on video many times. How can people who see the truth of 9-11 not see this obvious scam? I must admit I havent run across any until tonight w/ papahockeybear. I thought he was associated w/ you guys at WACLA.
Cold air is staturated at high altitudes by plane exhaust. The ice sublimes and the trail dissipates. You cannot look at humidity without looking at the relative humidity of the air.Humid air is warmer air that become saturated less easily, so humid air should do the opposite to making a contrail when an aircraft flies through it. Contrails cannot persist they have to dissipate. Contrails cannot produce clouds because the crystals simply evaporate. Persistent contrails cannot exist in physics.
@JimBridger100 Claiming that you will see contrails in the troposphere (the part of the atmosphere closest to the surface of the Earth), where clouds form, is like saying you will see your breath in a steam room or a sauna. Thats absurd.
The Chemtrailing (Project Cloverleaf - started in the late 90's) is basically an artificial radiation shield to protect from the Sun. Earth's magnetic field is almost depleted, and we need an artificial shield at the expense of people's health btw(Barium absorbs radiation and Aluminum reflects). Now, you may ask why our magnetic field is suddenly depleted to almost nothing? Hmm... Something in our solar system that comes around every 3,600 yrs?
@JimBridger100 "We are currently performing maintenance. Please return soon." Can't see that paper just yet apparently. Show me actual references to that paper back in 1970, not online. Tell me about the "American Meteorological Society"
When the warm moist air is pushed out from jet engines, tiny droplets are squeezed out of it like water from a sponge. The drops make a small, vanishing cloud.
I would also suggest that you not use wikipedia as a source. That wikipedia page you referred to is a government controlled page. When the truth is written on that page, less than 24 hours later the page is put back to the exact same state it was in before the truth was inserted. Looking to wikipedia for the truth about chemtrails (they won't even let you create a page titled 'chemtrails') is like looking to wikipedia for the truth about 9-11.
@papahockeybear They are spraying the skies all over the world. Show me a blue sky. You can't. Because even on clear days now, the sky has a white haze to it from all the particulates that have been sprayed over the past 14 years. Now they are using the Mainstream Media to warn people that in the fight to stem 'global warming' they will have to spray the skies so much that we will never have blue skies again... only white skies. Are you going to buy into this?
@papahockeybear The term 'Persistent contrails' is a form of newspeak, like from the book, "1984". They invent new words to counter the original meanings. Contrails are never persistent, so they had to make up the term 'persistent contrails' to fool people into believing that contrails can be persistent.
@wearechangela - bullshit. Its a term that has been in use for over 30yrs- quit making stuff up. Same for Contrail cirrus. Perhaps if you had actually done an unbiased, legitimate review of 60yrs of contrail science from scientists around the world you know this instead of lying.
When Applman in 1953 created his chart for contrail formation he discussed their potential for persistence. Nobody will take you seriously if you lie.
Contrails are like your breath on a cold dry day. You see it, then it's gone. Contrails form at high altitudes where the air is freezing and dry. Contrails rarely, if ever, form in the troposphere, the lowest part of the atmosphere. That's where clouds form. The idea that contrails form clouds is absurd. At high altitudes, where contrails form, the trail dissipates quickly because the moisture evaporates in the dry air.
CHEMTRAILS (smoke trails) will form anywhere at anytime at any temperature at any altitude. Concerning rural areas vs. urban areas, you will see CHEMTRAILS in all types of areas, populated or not. As the CHEMTRAIL programs continue, allegations of mass environmental destruction are being made from around the world.
@wearechangela - this is simply false. Contrails require a certain level of humidity to form...and if it is very humid they will persist- Its simple physics- simply search the term 'contrail cirrus" or "supersaturated persistent contrail" to view any number of the 100s of papers written over the last 60yrs on contrail formation, persistence and spreading. Contrails are made of ice crystals much like cirrus clouds...You are either wilfully ignorant or haven't legitimately reviewed the science
@JimBridger100 Claiming that you will see contrails in the troposphere (the part of the atmosphere closest to the surface of the Earth), where clouds form, is like saying you will see your breath in a steam room or a sauna. Thats absurd.
Claiming that you will see contrails in the troposphere (the part of the atmosphere closest to the surface of the Earth), where clouds form, is like saying you will see your breath in a steam room or a sauna. Thats absurd.
@wearechangela "The term 'Persistent contrails' is a form of newspeak, like from the book, "1984". They invent new words to counter the original meanings."
Interesting... or mayby it is because contrails can both persist and not persist, and therefore there is no need to say 'persistent contrails' because they are just normal contrails.
And mayby the reason we have to say persistent contrails is because of people like you, not knowing what an actual contrail is...
@Evulmeh He knows what a contrail is.But he also knows that contrails and chemtrails are an entirely different phenomenon.Contrails develop from aircraft exhaust vapor,but chemtrails are the product of intentionally dispersed aerosols delivered via pressurized canisters and nozzles.They are artificial in composition and,unlike contrails,dont require high humidity to "persist" in the atmosphere.
We have had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Griffin many times in the past. He knows a great deal, about a lot of things. He is soft spoken, but his words are weighty! We are becoming so ill, and no matter how hard we try, taking pounds of vitamins, and eating alkaline diets, and drinking PiWater, and destressing, taking yoga and eating no trans fats, and yet, we are still getting really sick. We just can not control the poisoned air we breathe! STOP THE CHEMTRAILS!!!!! LET US BREATHE!
Great video, funny to see all the die hard contrail folks scrambling...
yaya..deny deny deny....you live on this planet too, think about that when you start reading UN treaty on weather warfare and the 400+ patents dedicated solely to weather manipulation and cloud seeding.
The reasons why the newer aircraft dont leave much of a moisture trail is that they are "Hi-Bypass" which is a TURBFAN. Most of the heat energy from the turbines is used to drive the from FAN, so much less exhaust "hot air" is emitted compared to the older generation of low bypass engines.
@papahockeybear 'supersaturated air' can't form contrails, because the temperature is much too high. If they temperature were freezing, like it needs to be, then the air would be dry. You can't have it both ways poopoo. Contrails form in freezing temperatures.
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CHEMTRAILS form anywhere at any altitude at any time because they are chemical 'smoke'. That's exactly what they are.
@wearechangela - this makes no sense...what do you think the temp is at 30k feet?? its always well below zero regardless of the humidity level- If the air is very dry no trail will form, if it is somewhat humid it will form but dissipate, if it is very humid it will persist...no rocket science...but it is contrail science :)
@JimBridger100 what makes no sense? If the air is dry and freezing, a contrail will form. If the air is humid a contrail will not form. What's so difficult to understand?
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CHEMTRAILS will form anywhere, anytime, at any temperature because they are smoke (chemical trails) that are not affected by temperature or humidity.
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This is not rocket science. Like G. Edward Griffin says, it's obvious.
@wearechangela -- Sorry- that is just not factually correct- The Temp is ALWAYS well below zero at flight altitude- surely you understand that? Why wouldn't water vapor freeze into ice crystals at -35 ?? The trail WILL persist if the air is saturated with respect to ice- look up the term ice saturation. You CAN have very cold temps and very humid air- please research the science involved- look up the term "contrail cirrus"- Contrails can happen at ANY altitude if it is cold enough.
@wearechangela, WRONG! The air has to be SATURATED for the trails to form, not "dry". Despite this not being rocket science, you STILL don't understand this simple and basic concept. The original meaning of these trails is persistent contrails..."chemtrails" is a made up term created by ignorant and paranoid morons. Your "1984" reference only serves to prove your paranoia.
@papahockeybear Why do contrails disappear? They evaporate in the dryness, helped along by solar radiation. They only form in cold dry air, like your breath on a cold day, and they disappear quickly because they evaporate.
@papahockeybear You are arguing with the laws of physics. Explain YOUR constantly changing 'science'. You can't. You keep changing your claims to keep the argument going.
A dry air patch would create a contrail not make one disappear. Where do these air patches come from? I don't think any of us ever learned about a lack of humidity with humid patches of air, and strong humidity with dry patches of air. LOL. poopoohackeybear you are too funny.
@w- learn the science of contrail formation and persistence- this paper from 1972- 100s more since- google title and read:
Measurements of the Growth of the Ice Budget in a Persisting Contrail
Knollenberg
Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences
October 1972
"It is often observed that contrails spread considerably...Under favorable conditions, a lateral spread of kilometers is observed...If sufficient air traffic exists, and entire overcast of contrail cirrus may develop and persist for hours."
papahockeybear is the local chemtrail debunker. This guy makes up science as he goes along. First he says that contrails form at high altitudes where there is no humidity and the temperatures are freezing, then he turns around and says that contrails form at low altitude where it is warm with high humidity. He will say whatever he has to in order to 'win' the argument.
and a song about chemtrails
youtube.com/tempusetmodus#p/a/u/0/bgoyYpfS7p8
tafw 1 week ago
I want this video on my 8250 unit.
blaircolon36 4 weeks ago
Very good information ! Thanks from Sweden ! We are sprayed all the time in our country....many people are sick...
johnnysvenssons 1 month ago
@lowerarkanasadrummer That's one of the few intelligible responses i've heard,
I still dont believe in this "Chemtrail" theory, personally I am far more concerned abuot Nuclear Power/pollution/weapons the thousands of new chemicals and solvents created every year, basic food safety issues, fresh water supplies, deRegulation, Privatization (corporatization), of Americas Health, education and transpertation infrastructure and our government, Equality, Justice, Democracy, Peace, & Compassion etc.
Shroommduke 1 month ago
chemtrails? REALLY?
What are they dumping, (any ideas)
why, (inocuation from 30,000' , it would never hit it's target)
how much, (1, 10, 1K, 1M, gal / hr)
and what rig are they using? (cropdusting equiptment, someone would know)
What's with the cartoon @ 3:59?
I don't trust many people in our government either but they breath the same air we do so wouldn't they object too? & where are the whistle blowers? ... BTW lets support our whistle blowers, it takes courage and they do a great service.
Shroommduke 1 month ago
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ArtzGirl8 1 month ago
how is it that we don't have the money to pay for starving people and yet we have billions to spray poison in the air?
marls10191 1 month ago
They have been spraying in the high desert of cal and in riverside county for the last week
nas4x 1 month ago
@nas4x What are they spraying?
I know they like to spray for frut flys and shit, is that what you mean?
Shroommduke 1 month ago
This always happens when it is known that rain or any form of falling precipitation will occur within the next two days.Tuesday, January 3rd in South Plainfield, NJ was a bright and sunny day without clouds, and no trails.Wednesday the fourth however....
ChevKen 1 month ago
This video went viral on Sofia
augustbuckne717 1 month ago
@88TFalcon They are all over the skies almost daily in los angeles. Im passing out flyers everyday and talking with people. Many are telling me they are having bad respiratory problems along with their kids. I am very angry and I will make alot of noise.
TheSpitmitt 2 months ago
@TheSpitmitt don't forget car exhaust, fireplaces, industry, oil refineries, dander, pollen, dust, lint, break-dust, tire-dust, and nuclear fallout from fukushima, there are so many things that don't even occur to us that contribute or cause respratory problems, Everythinig we bring into our environments puts off fumes & dust, what is that "new car", "New house" or "new computer" smell?
We pollute our own environment every day in so many ways that we are unaware of. don't get tunnel vision!
Shroommduke 1 month ago
I live near an airport. The sky is clear, so obviously there are absolutely NO planes flying in or out of the airport today (no trails in the sky)...that is, if you believe the nonsense that there is no such thing as chemtrails! Amazing, how so many fail to see the obvious! Some days, the skies are totally covered with the "haze" from expanding chemtrails - other days the sky is totally clear. Every single day, hundreds of planes fly in and out of the airport...figure it out, sheeple!
RandyBful1 4 months ago
Chem trails? What bulls**t! I guess the government couldn't manufacture a transparent spray! Oh no, it must be puffy and white and visible from the ground. Idiots like this guy are making a fortune duping dopes.
PaulRubino 4 months ago
@PaulRubino Is that why Griffin and the other creators of What in the World are the Spraying ENCOURAGE purchasers of their dvd to copy it and give away copies? Cuz they're so focuse on making a fortune?
casejackedin 4 months ago
@casejackedin Yeah, he's going broke peddling his crap. When is his next $peaking engagement? Cha-ching!
PaulRubino 4 months ago
NATO sucks the fat one
FUNBOY1377 6 months ago
What a bunch of half wits. A "persistent contrail" never appeared over Montana until 1999, then the entire Big Sky was crammed with garbage. Thousands of soil/water tests have established the composition of the garbage falling out, pilots, federal employees have provided corroborating testimony with detailed specifics, including well informed and very reputable scientists. Sounds like a pack of self styled scientists, probably brainwashed journalists who couldn't pass freshman physics.
cusanusnicolas 7 months ago 5
Is Argentina in Nato? It doesn't seem to be according to the map, but I think they have chemtrails there. I notice the number of trolls on this site is very high. For anybody who is convinced by them, just look at some of the extreme pictures on the Internet. These are not an exaggeration, because I have seen the same thing myself. Did you ever see this in the past??
MrLotineGuy 7 months ago
That international group is called Bilderberg.
Google Bilderberg.
labmonkeynr12 8 months ago
G. Edward Griffin is a life-long member of the radically far right John Birch Society, so he hardly qualifies as having "powerful insight". Following the link to the website I noticed tee shirts for sale in addition to the $20 dvds. I really hope people don't just swallow this nonsense without doing some fact checking on this "info".
mrbr549 9 months ago
@mrbr549 He saw, and wrote about, virtually every financial drama currently happening. 25 years ago. Griffin is sharp. Also, he's encouraging purchasers of What in the World Are They Spraying to COPY AND GIVE AWAY COPIES OF THE FILM.
casejackedin 4 months ago
@casejackedin it's a good thing he's NOT TAKING DONATIONS... or it might be suspect.
Is it possible that FEARMONGERING is an INDUSTRY?
Shroommduke 1 month ago
absolutely more humid, it does not mean that the air can become saturated enough to form 'persistent' contrails.When the air does become saturated and a trail happens in cold air,that trail is quickly dissipated because of the large volume of unsaturated air around it. When the air is humid at lower altitudes because it holds more absolute water vapour,a trail cannot be formed.Chemtrails exist by elimination
Gavinwr75 10 months ago
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I started listening to this guy because of his views on the Fed, now I see he's nuts.
bizwiz21 11 months ago
What a bunch of Bull Shi#
colvinconcrete 11 months ago
People start believing this stuff and attack the government and spout nonsense before they actually think about it. They never think why would governments the world over be poisnoning its own people with these contaminants when it can so easily affect them too. They breathe the same air we do. They just get brainwashed before they ask about the source and reasoning behind it. Reasoning seperates us from animals. So are you more stupid than a monkey?
jackcepticeye 11 months ago
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It's sad when these pricks are allowed to speak such fucking utter nonsense.
nilbud 1 year ago
I challenge any one to publically debate me on chemtrails and try to defend them as a hoax. GOOGLE CaJeffO Challenge
Chemtrails are real. GOOGLE - CAJeffO Chemtrails
CaJeffO 1 year ago 5
@CaJeffO is it in our city water ?and at what amounts1im tired of this crap!we dont own our skies ;its the u.nations!we are to sexed up tp pay attn.!
jonathanmoreno1000 1 year ago
Has anyone noticed that most of the shills channels have nothing to do with chemtrails or anything related. For the most part there is almost no information except maybe a few music or gamer videos.
marketsdata 1 year ago 3
A modified version of " Operation Raindance " ?
Google it.
klscott5 1 year ago
The gov.paid agents have of course overwhelmed this page spewing their disinformation on the chemtrail operation 24/7.
firstwave2 1 year ago 15
real or not - WHY AND WHAT? what would they be spraying and WHY? what for? doesn't make sense to me, maybe the word 'conspiracy theorist' or 'conspiracy nut' could be applied in this case.
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deadadelta 1 year ago
I dunno... this Griffin guy looks like he has reptile eyes in this video, and even a lizard tongue (2:16). The light from the window is showing this shape-shifter for what he is. He doesn't seem very trustworthy!
averagehomosapien 1 year ago
@averagehomosapien LOL....
DREwestcoast 1 year ago
@DREwestcoast
;)
Turn them against each other! ha ha ha
averagehomosapien 1 year ago
This would be another good reason for moving to some sunny southern, non-NATO country.
Roaminnose 1 year ago
9 people are being sprayed right now w/ chemtrails and don't know it
AStateOfDenial 1 year ago 2
Dramatic change in temps&sky!We had a clearer view of hills(about 1.5 to 2 miles away)just a couple of summers ago.Noticed blatant chem trailing winter through late spring 2010.We now have a continuous haze blocking our previously clearer view of hills around the bay area of San Francisco(also blocks sunlight)There is now a gray colored haze mixed w/fog off coast.Natural lighter colored fog used to clearly hug hills, but now there is a mess of dirty gray haze combined w/fog.Warmer temps.
Vastvisionist 1 year ago
Typical chemtard.
Singledad03 1 year ago
@Singledad03 stop the chemtard shit.We`ve already established that the chemtrail phenomenon is real.Large amounts of metallic aerosols have been dispersed into our upper atmosphere and converted it into a plasma state.Look at the patents,the military`s stated goals and interests,and the material evidence that has turned up.Its not hard to piece it together.
IwontConform 1 year ago 10
Everyone needs to post the link to this video...EVERYWHERE when it's released. It MUST go VIRAL immediately! Link to it from every social media site that you can.
TheFactsMatter 1 year ago 2
G. Edward 'rocks'!
kwok67 1 year ago 2
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WARNING CHEMTRAIL ALERT. WE thought all spraying stopped in Cal U.S.A. I now get reports from all over the world many places are getting hammered and thier bee and bat populations are dying. I got a report of night spraying in southern cal U.S.A.. Cal residents please check the night sky and send me your reports. Whats happening out there? If you live some where else please report on your area. 1. Time of spraying. 2. Area & country. 3.How often. 4.Illnesses ect. Thank you. God bless you all.
camokbear1 1 year ago
utter bull shit now piss off
wolfmannn1 1 year ago
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TheEndRunDOTcom has an article with a giant compilation of Griffin's videos, books, and articles going back to the 1960's.
StandUpForLiberty 1 year ago
this is such fuking BULLSHIT EVERYONE DO NOT BELIVWE ANY OF THIS NON SCENCE!!!
cky94066 1 year ago
If it''s so damned good for society, WHY IS IT BEING KEPT SECRET? The "benefit" is the depopulation of the planet. Murderers, liars, and thieves control our planet and who do you think is their "chosen one?"
billyguns2 1 year ago
thanks for putting this video out there, i have been taking pics. of these things for several yrs. now & KNOW THEY ARE BAD- - - -VERY BAD, FOR US ALL!!! :( WAKE THE HELL UP, YOU-ALL!!! N-O-=W IT THE TIME--- ACTUALLY, PAST TIME!.
wayount552 1 year ago
I built a (Don) Croft cloudbuster and gifted up the town with orgonite. Presto chemtrails went from constant to occasional, generally on new weather fronts, else they dissipate rapidly (still persisting longer than true contrails). The cops mellowed out a lot too, and stopped the taser torture and illegal searches. Croft has a site and there's a yaahooo grooup "cloudbusters". Learn how to fix your town. (Don't let Dragon send you anything.)
bobo4691 1 year ago
Lol ohh no the goverment could never do such a thing to the citizens could it?
You bet you ass they would, afterall what are we to them really, the whole system is designed to subverse the masses and that is a fact now those at the top of the tree are more than capable of poisoning the citizens. Just like water flouridation most countrys do not use it so why do mine, it is not needed yet they spend money to add it, you would have to be a complete fucktard to trust goverment.
iziahlights 1 year ago 3
multi-purpose strategy, no doubt. if busted, the govt can admit to one facet of the program but continue hiding the others. but given the advances in upper atmosphere signal reflection (C3I, weather, crowd behavior / influence) i suspect one aspect of chemtrails is potentially for national defense.
stybarrow 1 year ago
We were sprayed at very low levels todays as the cloud cover was low and it rained a little. Contrails do not form at 4000ft folks! EMF's and Aluminium mess up our DNA. These are the facts!
stopjunkscience 1 year ago
I love this guy!!!!
urflofit2010 1 year ago
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BraveNewLiberty 1 year ago
Normal planes fly straight and dissapear the spray planes form huge checker patterns in the sky they know that it will spread and join into a huge cloud.As far as everyone involved knowing about this conspiracy it just doesn't work that way the orders come from the top and everyone falls into line no questions asked or your out.Pilots know they spray but not what theyre spraying!
2wheels88 1 year ago
I call out to everyone to do your own research! You dont believe in chemtrails? Well maybe you should investigate the dozends of patents and political agendas that demand geo-engineering for all kind of purposes. Government already admitted that they wanna use planes for spraying the atmosphere. There is tons of video footage on youtube that reveals chemtrailing. Those are NOT CONTRAILS, there is a big difference. A lot of research has yet to be done. help with it !
faraskan 1 year ago
You can add Australia to that list of countries they spray my area every couple of days but not one of the people I've spoken to knows what's going on,most of them either haven't noticed it or just overlook it as if it's normal,I guess that's what the NWO is hoping for.I wish people would wake up.I've pointed at planes doing it and people just go into a turtle shell as if it isn't happening.
2wheels88 1 year ago 2
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Freud said it best, people demand illusions over truth
The truth is an insult to most so they agree to not question each others fantasies about how the world works.
If anyone takes the time to stop lying to themselves about some of their core beLIEfs they will see that the party is in full control and 2+2 has been 5 for a long time.
People would sooner kill the messenger than admit they have been duped, they aren't immortal & aren't going to live forever in heaven
Psst, 2+2=4, pass it on
Slavestorms 1 year ago
Freud said it best, people demand illusions over truth
The truth is an insult to most so they agree to not question each others fantasies about how the world works.
If anyone takes the time to stop lying to themselves about some of their core beLIEfs they will see that the party is in full control and 2+2 has been 5 for a long time.
Psst, 2+2=4, pass it on.
People would sooner kill the messenger than admit they have been duped, they aren't immortal & aren't going to live forever in heaven
Slavestorms 1 year ago 6
I want to know not only why but who gives the order to spray. It's the military doing the spraying right? But who is in charge, the generals, the CIA, NSA? It can't be the president, he doesn't run the show. So what agency is it? Someone told me chemtrail spraying began during the Bush 41 administration in early 1990s. I don't know if this is true.
AquarielCharm 1 year ago
@AquarielCharm i see dollars running it all, profit and promise of controling the most important element to man, clean water.
WellSightedGentleman 1 year ago
@lllraverslll I'm with you. I grew up during the transition from propeller-driven aircraft to jet-powered aircraft. I still look up whenever I hear a plane fly by. When I was a kid the sky was a vivid blue. It's been a scuzzy washed out gray for several years now since the spraying started. I feel sorry for the younger generations who may never see the sky as it was meant to be. Since we have no say in the spraying, we once again have taxation with NO representation.
WillJStudio 1 year ago 2
@papahockeybear People are finding alarmingly high rates of aluminum in lakes and their local water... it so happens that there is a patent to combat global warming which is to spray aluminum into our air by jets to reflect light away from the earth, cooling it. Called geo-engineering. Look up a youtube video called, Using Cloud-Seeding GeoEngineering to Solve Global Warming. It is a no brainer. The "solution" has already begun but they don't wanna bother with telling us about it.
martinez85 1 year ago 2
Great interview....Chemtrails are definitely being sprayed throughout the world.
Skywitness 1 year ago
I have seen them in turkey, saudi arabia and heard of them in iran.
seen them in all of europe and north america
the thing is that these bastards are using our own money to spray us.
the new jacked up taxes on fuel, airfare and many other things are used to fly this goddamn planes. it costs $20,000 dollars (USD) per plane per flight.
time to over throw the bastards (from existence)!
hey;
if anyone knows other countries let me know.
Matey3 1 year ago 2
@Matey3 Australia my friend is copping it badly every couple of days.what get's me is that the pilots probably have no idea what they are spraying because their families live all around me near the air force base,if they knew they were poisining their own families they would revolt!!!
2wheels88 1 year ago 2
@2wheels88 right you are, as those who designed this material arnt admitting its consequenses to the health and welfare of everyone.
WellSightedGentleman 1 year ago
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EssiacHempLaetrile 1 year ago
you are being poisoned Mr Griffin... If you have any other questions, send me a message
finefilth 1 year ago
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from the Encyclopædia Britannica also called Condensation Trail, or Contrail,
streamer of cloud sometimes observed behind an airplane flying in clear, cold, humid air. It forms upon condensation of the water vapour produced by the combustion of fuel in the airplane engines. When the ambient relative humidity is high, the resulting ice-crystal plume may last for several hours.
papahockeybear 1 year ago 10
best thing you can do is pass the information along to friends and family who are uninformed
rockman22 1 year ago
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If the temperature is above minus forty degrees or less than 100% relative humidity, then the ice crystals will sublime (turn back into gas without going through a liquid phase, like dry ice) in about a minute or less and the contrails will disappear
papahockeybear 1 year ago 13
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And in the X number of years that this "chemtrail" stuff has been going on, NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM has come out and said anything about it! What is the chance of a plot that requires the help of a half-million people being secret for more than six milliseconds? Zero.
papahockeybear 1 year ago 18
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The existence of a huge and sinister plot is completely lacking in evidence. The President; Congress; SecDef; Director of the FAA; the entire command structure of the various armed services; every military man or woman who flies, maintains, fuels, and overhauls aircraft; every commercial pilot and crew member; every meteorologist; and every aerospace engineer who builds, sells, modifies would have to be in on the plot
papahockeybear 1 year ago 20
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Anyone who would like to read a recent scientific paper regarding persistent contrails- a real world example where they actually study several over hours and determine which flights they came from- it even has pics of "dripping"- should google this title and read- even if you thinks its "disinfo" its probably good to know what the enemy is saying:
"Contrails to Cirrus- Morphology, Microphysics, and Radiative Properties"
Journal of Applied Meteorology and Climatology 2006
JimBridger100 1 year ago 37
RIP crucial honey bees...you will be missed.
mookixox 1 year ago
...the day-after i have 'noted' cem-trails ..i am sluggesh and eyes burn a bit and i have a slight headache...and it appears to be getting worse...?
yedon68 1 year ago
Folks, you keep hearing about 'super-saturated' air, and 100% humidity. If the air could hold no more water then it release that water... then the air could hold more water. A steam room has 'super saturated' air (LOL, i can't help but laugh every time I see or say that word! LOL) Do you see your breath in there? NO! If you smoked in there would you see the cigarette smoke aka CHEMTRAIL? YES!
wearechangela 1 year ago
@wearechangela , I agree with you 100 percent. I really don't get these braindead people. Especially this papahockeybear. Isn't he that old man who always protests Israel? You would think someone who could discern fact from fiction despite propaganda would be able to recognize it when he sees it. I guess he is either a shill or just lonely and needs any kind of attention he can get. Sad. My sister died from this aerosol poison and she was only 37. Plus, I have literally 1000s of hrs research.
chromelung66 1 year ago
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@chromelung66 You confuse opinion with facts, equate hypotheses with theories, do not reason logically, engage in ad hominem arguments, cannot or will not read peer-reviewed journals --- the list goes on and on.
papahockeybear 1 year ago 7
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To best see how upper layer atmosphere vapor varies just go to any of the free forecast maps that have color water vapor satellite images and you can see for yourself. You will then be able to see that on days when you see these long skylines that it is the same days that vapor content is also elevated. Keep in mind that it takes much less water vapor at 30000 ft -40 to reach 100% relative humidity(full tank) levels.
papahockeybear 1 year ago 15
When you go to any of the free forecast maps that have color water vapor satellite images and you can see for yourself what the weather forecasters are telling us... that mass amounts of aluminum are being sprayed by military jets creating false radar readings of clouds. Does anyone hear think that mass amounts of aluminum can be good for anything at all? Alzheimers cases have risen dramatically and at younger ages. Aluminum causes Alzheimers and damages your immune system. Take your vitamins!
wearechangela 1 year ago
@wearechangela forget vitamins, this calls for phytoplankton and living clay powders!!!
0ned 1 year ago
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@papahockeybear Why Don't You Give It Up Shill!! You're BS Is Getting Old!!
Joker71163 1 year ago
Now- read this paper- written 30yrs later describing the exact same process:
On the Transition of Contrails into Cirrus Clouds
F. Schröder and B. Kärcher et al
Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences
February 2000
Please explain why they are wrong and you-wearchangela- are right.
If you do not read it then it is clear you do not want to know and are just fear mongering for your agenda.
JimBridger100 1 year ago 6
your are not genuinely reviewing the data- read this paper:
Airborne Observations of Contrail Effects on the Thermal Radiation Budget
Peter M. Kuhn
Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences
Volume 27, Issue 6 (September 1970)
"The spreading of jet contrails into extensive cirrus sheets is a familiar sight."
...and then explain why it is not accurate.
JimBridger100 1 year ago 6
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@papahockeybear, Great post! Very well written and completely accurate. It's too bad your factual post falls on ignorant ears, so to speak. I am constantly amazed and amused by how badly these people misunderstand the most basic of scientific principles. It's funny how this person doesn't understand air saturation, yet has the nerve to use the term "This is not rocket science", suggesting that he/she actually understands science, at all.
faithinscience 1 year ago 23
Thanks for putting the infowars article I wrote at the end, great video!!!
5*****
ddarko2012 1 year ago
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G. Edward Griffin is one of the nicest most charming and intelligent person you will ever meet. For 50 yrs of his life he has been tirelessly opening the minds of countless people worldwide to the various ponerogenic groups that have secretly ruled us. I just feel that on this issue of "chemtrails"he is wrong. Ed like most of you just need to do some more research on the science of contrail formation to become better informed on this one issue.
papahockeybear 1 year ago 11
Who is Edward Griffin?
EightThoughts 1 year ago
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this is the stupidest person i have ever listened to
darcydaisy 1 year ago
@darcydaisy Well Then STFU & Move On Shill!!
AssLover4You 1 year ago
@JimBridger100 Claiming that you will see contrails in the troposphere (the part of the atmosphere closest to the surface of the Earth), where clouds form, is like saying you will see your breath in a steam room or a sauna. Thats absurd.
wearechangela 1 year ago
@wearechangela - What? What do you think the temperature is at 40k feet??
It always well below zero- how is that like a "sauna" or "steamroom"- although a steamroom contradicts your claim of "very dry".
WHy not simply review the 60yrs of accumulated scientific research?
Physics isn't disinfo
JimBridger100 1 year ago
@JimBridger100 Jim, you are definitely doing your best to confuse the conversation. Your breath WILL NOT be seen in a sauna or steam room. Read it again. Just like contrails, they will not appear in humid conditions. The problem is you are doing research in the wrong places. Contrail formation does not take much research. It's a simple matter of basic physics.
wearechangela 1 year ago
As soon as droplets form, they continue to mix with the outside air, and are quickly evaporated in the drier air, and the contrail disappears. If it does not disappear, then it is not a contrail, it is made up of other substances i.e. chemicals; thus, CHEMTRAILS.
wearechangela 1 year ago
@papahockeybear You are saying that contrails form in cold air because the humidity is at 100% ? Okay poopoohack that proves that you are just throwing out anything you can and hoping it sticks. Contrails form in cold DRY air. We are talking simple physics here. If the trail persists, then it is not a contrail, it is rather a CHEMTRAIL.
wearechangela 1 year ago
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@wearechangela 1. Contrails can not form in dry air at all because dry air will absorb any additional water vapor no mater how cold the air is. This is what happens most of the time. 2. Contrails that persist that you think are chemtrails only form when the air is supersaturated (100% humidity) because the air has absorbed all the water vapor it can hold and is incapable of absorbing anymore.(the tank is full) These are facts supported by every encylopedia,university,NOAA and NASA .
papahockeybear 1 year ago 20
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3.Persistent contrails only form in very cold 100% humidity conditions. If you say this is not true then support your claim with a reference from the source you get your backwards science from.
papahockeybear 1 year ago 43
@papahockeybear "Persistent contrails only form in very cold 100% humidity conditions." im no scientist but I see persistent contrails all summer long and I live in a far southern state where its never cold. Please enlighten me as to why i see them though they are only suppost to form under "very cold" conditions.
gsukrw06 1 year ago
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@gsukrw06 Because contrails formed at 30,000 ft. altitude where the temps average around -40f and the winds speeds are often 80mph+. Sorry about your nieces sicknesses but it can't be from persistent contrails because they are compose of very pure water ice crystals.
papahockeybear 1 year ago 19
@papahockeybear "Because contrails formed at 30,000 ft. altitude where the temps average around -40f and the winds speeds are often 80mph+."
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What the heck are you talking about? You are not making any sense at all, and you are doing that repeatedly ad nauseum.
wearechangela 1 year ago
@papahockeybear i live near a major airport and i see trails form way before jets reach cruising altitudes...once again im no scientists, just reporting what i see with my own eyes. My nieces arent "sick", theyve been diagnosed with nothing other than having "unexplainable" breathing problems. So when a group of ppl have an explanation for it, i cant just brush them off becuz the govt says "theyre crazy." I trust uncle sam about as much as i trust a thief in the night.
gsukrw06 1 year ago
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@gsukrw06 I would need a photo of what you are seeing to properly analyze this view.Try going to the article "A Problem of Perspective in OC" in the web site ContraiScience to compare photos and discriptions with what you are seeing. It's also a great sight to learn the REAL SCIENCE behind contrail formation. Ask any question you like and you will get a respectful and informed answer.
papahockeybear 1 year ago 18
@papahockeybear Then please explain why I have 4 nieces who are on daily breathing treatments, cough so much they miss school, and can barely play outside because they cant breathe. My family has zero history of respiratory issues. ZERO. But somehow, in one generation there are 4 of us who cant seem to breathe. And i know many kids like this. Not sayin im sold on chemtrails, just sayin thats pretty damn sketchy to me.
gsukrw06 1 year ago
In the cold dry air, water molecules (the vapor) in the jet engine exhaust lose the energy that, when they're warm, keeps them moving. Instead of bouncing around, they crowd up next to each other. And as they slow down, the molecules change from a gas state to denser liquid and solid states. the temporary visible cloud of tiny particles of water and ice that you see in the form of a contrail. Then the moisture quickly evaporates in the dry air. If they 'persist' then the particles are CHEMICAL.
wearechangela 1 year ago
Claiming that you will see contrails in the troposphere, where clouds form, is like saying you will see your breath in a steam room or a sauna. Thats absurd.
wearechangela 1 year ago
@wearechangela , we'd all be leaving 4 hr trails behind us & our cars. We'd be walking & driving around in permanent fog! LOL! The 33K altitude argument holds no weight as Ive seen 100's of trails at the Cumulus cloud altitude of 6-8000 feet. YouTuber "tankerenemy" has documented this on video many times. How can people who see the truth of 9-11 not see this obvious scam? I must admit I havent run across any until tonight w/ papahockeybear. I thought he was associated w/ you guys at WACLA.
chromelung66 1 year ago
@wearechangela - can explain why in very cold temps- well below zero- water vapor wouldn't freeze into visible ice crystals?
...and explain why if the the air is humid (cold air and humidity are NOT mutually exclusive) the trail will not persist.
Why do cirrus clouds exist?
JimBridger100 1 year ago 33
@JimBridger100 you are a fucking moron shill coward.
firstwave2 1 year ago
Cold air is staturated at high altitudes by plane exhaust. The ice sublimes and the trail dissipates. You cannot look at humidity without looking at the relative humidity of the air.Humid air is warmer air that become saturated less easily, so humid air should do the opposite to making a contrail when an aircraft flies through it. Contrails cannot persist they have to dissipate. Contrails cannot produce clouds because the crystals simply evaporate. Persistent contrails cannot exist in physics.
Gavinwr75 10 months ago 4
@Gavinwr75 - False. The ambient air CAN be saturated with respect to ice. Look up "ice saturation" or "supersaturated persistent contrail"
If the air is saturated with respect to ice the ice crystals in a contrail CANNOT sublimate but instead persist- much like cirrus clouds..
Why do cirrus clouds persist?
look up "contrail cirrus"- they have been studied for decades...
JimBridger100 10 months ago
@JimBridger100 Claiming that you will see contrails in the troposphere (the part of the atmosphere closest to the surface of the Earth), where clouds form, is like saying you will see your breath in a steam room or a sauna. Thats absurd.
wearechangela 1 year ago
The Chemtrailing (Project Cloverleaf - started in the late 90's) is basically an artificial radiation shield to protect from the Sun. Earth's magnetic field is almost depleted, and we need an artificial shield at the expense of people's health btw(Barium absorbs radiation and Aluminum reflects). Now, you may ask why our magnetic field is suddenly depleted to almost nothing? Hmm... Something in our solar system that comes around every 3,600 yrs?
jcattera 1 year ago
@JimBridger100 "We are currently performing maintenance. Please return soon." Can't see that paper just yet apparently. Show me actual references to that paper back in 1970, not online. Tell me about the "American Meteorological Society"
wearechangela 1 year ago
When the warm moist air is pushed out from jet engines, tiny droplets are squeezed out of it like water from a sponge. The drops make a small, vanishing cloud.
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VANISHING cloud.
wearechangela 1 year ago
I would also suggest that you not use wikipedia as a source. That wikipedia page you referred to is a government controlled page. When the truth is written on that page, less than 24 hours later the page is put back to the exact same state it was in before the truth was inserted. Looking to wikipedia for the truth about chemtrails (they won't even let you create a page titled 'chemtrails') is like looking to wikipedia for the truth about 9-11.
wearechangela 1 year ago
G. Edward Griffin...has never spoken candidly about anything valid. He has ever diverted from the subversion of the Republic by Rome.
abbesieyes 1 year ago
@papahockeybear 'Persistent contrails' is a term that did not exist 10 years ago. Why is that? Poopoo, you are silly.
wearechangela 1 year ago
@papahockeybear You just go outside on an average day and breathe deeply for a while. Let me know how you feel afterwards.
SugarSugarx2 1 year ago
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@SugarSugarx2 I was outside all day and feel great!!! You ought to try it, might help with all your illnesses.
papahockeybear 1 year ago
@papahockeybear They are spraying the skies all over the world. Show me a blue sky. You can't. Because even on clear days now, the sky has a white haze to it from all the particulates that have been sprayed over the past 14 years. Now they are using the Mainstream Media to warn people that in the fight to stem 'global warming' they will have to spray the skies so much that we will never have blue skies again... only white skies. Are you going to buy into this?
wearechangela 1 year ago
@papahockeybear The term 'Persistent contrails' is a form of newspeak, like from the book, "1984". They invent new words to counter the original meanings. Contrails are never persistent, so they had to make up the term 'persistent contrails' to fool people into believing that contrails can be persistent.
wearechangela 1 year ago 2
@wearechangela - bullshit. Its a term that has been in use for over 30yrs- quit making stuff up. Same for Contrail cirrus. Perhaps if you had actually done an unbiased, legitimate review of 60yrs of contrail science from scientists around the world you know this instead of lying.
When Applman in 1953 created his chart for contrail formation he discussed their potential for persistence. Nobody will take you seriously if you lie.
JimBridger100 1 year ago 6
@wearechangela - what do you make of this paper from 1970? google it and read and look at the pretty pictures.- gonna claim it is disinfo?
Airborne Observations of Contrail Effects on the Thermal Radiation Budget
Peter M. Kuhn
Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences
Volume 27, Issue 6 (September 1970)
"The spreading of jet contrails into extensive cirrus sheets is a familiar sight."
JimBridger100 1 year ago 3
Contrails are like your breath on a cold dry day. You see it, then it's gone. Contrails form at high altitudes where the air is freezing and dry. Contrails rarely, if ever, form in the troposphere, the lowest part of the atmosphere. That's where clouds form. The idea that contrails form clouds is absurd. At high altitudes, where contrails form, the trail dissipates quickly because the moisture evaporates in the dry air.
wearechangela 1 year ago
CHEMTRAILS (smoke trails) will form anywhere at anytime at any temperature at any altitude. Concerning rural areas vs. urban areas, you will see CHEMTRAILS in all types of areas, populated or not. As the CHEMTRAIL programs continue, allegations of mass environmental destruction are being made from around the world.
wearechangela 1 year ago
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@wearechangela - this is simply false. Contrails require a certain level of humidity to form...and if it is very humid they will persist- Its simple physics- simply search the term 'contrail cirrus" or "supersaturated persistent contrail" to view any number of the 100s of papers written over the last 60yrs on contrail formation, persistence and spreading. Contrails are made of ice crystals much like cirrus clouds...You are either wilfully ignorant or haven't legitimately reviewed the science
JimBridger100 1 year ago 12
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@wearechangela - why do cirrus clouds persist?
JimBridger100 1 year ago 6
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@wearechangela "Show me actual references to that paper back in 1970,"
Simply go to your local library and see for yourself.
I was able to view several copies online just now-perhaps you just do not want to read it?
JimBridger100 1 year ago 11
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@JimBridger100 Claiming that you will see contrails in the troposphere (the part of the atmosphere closest to the surface of the Earth), where clouds form, is like saying you will see your breath in a steam room or a sauna. Thats absurd.
wearechangela 1 year ago
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Claiming that you will see contrails in the troposphere (the part of the atmosphere closest to the surface of the Earth), where clouds form, is like saying you will see your breath in a steam room or a sauna. Thats absurd.
wearechangela 1 year ago
@wearechangela "The term 'Persistent contrails' is a form of newspeak, like from the book, "1984". They invent new words to counter the original meanings."
Interesting... or mayby it is because contrails can both persist and not persist, and therefore there is no need to say 'persistent contrails' because they are just normal contrails.
And mayby the reason we have to say persistent contrails is because of people like you, not knowing what an actual contrail is...
Evulmeh 1 year ago 6
@Evulmeh then there is people like you who dont research what SAG actually is and wholly deny the aerosol pollution showering down upon all of us.
WellSightedGentleman 1 year ago
@Evulmeh wht makes a contrail? Why are they different?
lilchico4wg 1 year ago
@Evulmeh He knows what a contrail is.But he also knows that contrails and chemtrails are an entirely different phenomenon.Contrails develop from aircraft exhaust vapor,but chemtrails are the product of intentionally dispersed aerosols delivered via pressurized canisters and nozzles.They are artificial in composition and,unlike contrails,dont require high humidity to "persist" in the atmosphere.
IwontConform 1 year ago 4
We have had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Griffin many times in the past. He knows a great deal, about a lot of things. He is soft spoken, but his words are weighty! We are becoming so ill, and no matter how hard we try, taking pounds of vitamins, and eating alkaline diets, and drinking PiWater, and destressing, taking yoga and eating no trans fats, and yet, we are still getting really sick. We just can not control the poisoned air we breathe! STOP THE CHEMTRAILS!!!!! LET US BREATHE!
SugarSugarx2 1 year ago
Great video, funny to see all the die hard contrail folks scrambling...
yaya..deny deny deny....you live on this planet too, think about that when you start reading UN treaty on weather warfare and the 400+ patents dedicated solely to weather manipulation and cloud seeding.
doobsta 1 year ago
I agree with Griffin. I see them here in Arizona all the time and they are NOT contrails. What laws give them the right to spray us w/o our approval?
dweber66 1 year ago
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@dweber66 Airlines don't need your approval to fly over at 30,000 ft. Do they?
papahockeybear 1 year ago
Great work, very powerful!
SouthNewJerseyTRT 1 year ago
The reasons why the newer aircraft dont leave much of a moisture trail is that they are "Hi-Bypass" which is a TURBFAN. Most of the heat energy from the turbines is used to drive the from FAN, so much less exhaust "hot air" is emitted compared to the older generation of low bypass engines.
jeddah91 1 year ago
thank you
bikos236590 1 year ago
@papahockeybear 'supersaturated air' can't form contrails, because the temperature is much too high. If they temperature were freezing, like it needs to be, then the air would be dry. You can't have it both ways poopoo. Contrails form in freezing temperatures.
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CHEMTRAILS form anywhere at any altitude at any time because they are chemical 'smoke'. That's exactly what they are.
wearechangela 1 year ago
@wearechangela - this makes no sense...what do you think the temp is at 30k feet?? its always well below zero regardless of the humidity level- If the air is very dry no trail will form, if it is somewhat humid it will form but dissipate, if it is very humid it will persist...no rocket science...but it is contrail science :)
Why do cirrus clouds persist?
JimBridger100 1 year ago
@JimBridger100 what makes no sense? If the air is dry and freezing, a contrail will form. If the air is humid a contrail will not form. What's so difficult to understand?
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CHEMTRAILS will form anywhere, anytime, at any temperature because they are smoke (chemical trails) that are not affected by temperature or humidity.
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This is not rocket science. Like G. Edward Griffin says, it's obvious.
wearechangela 1 year ago 8
@wearechangela -- Sorry- that is just not factually correct- The Temp is ALWAYS well below zero at flight altitude- surely you understand that? Why wouldn't water vapor freeze into ice crystals at -35 ?? The trail WILL persist if the air is saturated with respect to ice- look up the term ice saturation. You CAN have very cold temps and very humid air- please research the science involved- look up the term "contrail cirrus"- Contrails can happen at ANY altitude if it is cold enough.
JimBridger100 1 year ago 3
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@wearechangela, WRONG! The air has to be SATURATED for the trails to form, not "dry". Despite this not being rocket science, you STILL don't understand this simple and basic concept. The original meaning of these trails is persistent contrails..."chemtrails" is a made up term created by ignorant and paranoid morons. Your "1984" reference only serves to prove your paranoia.
faithinscience 1 year ago 6
@papahockeybear Why do contrails disappear? They evaporate in the dryness, helped along by solar radiation. They only form in cold dry air, like your breath on a cold day, and they disappear quickly because they evaporate.
wearechangela 1 year ago
@papahockeybear You are arguing with the laws of physics. Explain YOUR constantly changing 'science'. You can't. You keep changing your claims to keep the argument going.
wearechangela 1 year ago
A dry air patch would create a contrail not make one disappear. Where do these air patches come from? I don't think any of us ever learned about a lack of humidity with humid patches of air, and strong humidity with dry patches of air. LOL. poopoohackeybear you are too funny.
wearechangela 1 year ago
@w- learn the science of contrail formation and persistence- this paper from 1972- 100s more since- google title and read:
Measurements of the Growth of the Ice Budget in a Persisting Contrail
Knollenberg
Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences
October 1972
"It is often observed that contrails spread considerably...Under favorable conditions, a lateral spread of kilometers is observed...If sufficient air traffic exists, and entire overcast of contrail cirrus may develop and persist for hours."
JimBridger100 1 year ago
papahockeybear is the local chemtrail debunker. This guy makes up science as he goes along. First he says that contrails form at high altitudes where there is no humidity and the temperatures are freezing, then he turns around and says that contrails form at low altitude where it is warm with high humidity. He will say whatever he has to in order to 'win' the argument.
wearechangela 1 year ago
Like G. Edward Griffin says. In the case of chemtrails, the truth is obvious, you can't deny their existence.
wearechangela 1 year ago
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Like G. Edward Griffin says. In the case of chemtrails, the truth is obvious, you can't deny their existence.
wearechangela 1 year ago
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