Historical European Martial Arts sparring at GHFS, Axel vs Magnus Hö

[cenrriques918]

Les boy ayr adar unos garrotasos en el lomo cabrones

[tSp289]

...roman tribes being raging barbarians, there are a number of sources who point out that even they were unmatched in single combat (though not too good at large formations or battle discipline). Not only asians are good at this sort of thing. Though having said that I have studied Aikido for some years and tried Iaido and kung fu, for a few months. I have a great deal of respect for the eastern martial arts, and admit I'm jealous that they're still going so strong today.

[Tahknall]

@tSp289 The very interesting thing is that there were historical accounts of some individuals dating back earlier than 2000BC who killed literal hundreds upon hundreds of men in a single battle. Back then there weren't even much for martial schools, you either knew what you were doing, or you were bound to be one of those nameless dead at the hands of those gods of war.

I can't help but wonder what their fighting styles were like that they could demolish entire sections of armies.

[funnyguyagency]

@Tahknall that would have been the bronze age in most cultures

[Mistwraith99]

@Tahknall Gotta keep in mind, though, that historical accuracy wasn't the same then as it is today. Even up to the late Middle Ages (~1400s) there was no clear boundary between historical fact and fabrication; accounts or individuals existing over three thousand years ago should be taken with a pinch of salt.

[SecretAsianMan0]

At any rate, Japanese swordsmanship is over-inflated for what it is. I see stupid otaku all over the place joining kendo dojos and say that a culture that is not theirs is superior to their own ancestral cultures. (Silly asian-obsessed non-asians) In the end though, it's not the art but the practitioner that counts.

[skjaldulfr]

@SecretAsianMan0 Ugh, asian obsessed non-asians are the worst! If asians were equally disloyal to their culture all that kendo shit wouldn't exist today.

[langying]

@skjaldulfr Actually, that's something of a growing issue in Japan. It's ironic, all the white folks want to be Japanese, but all the Japanese folks want to be white

[AlexLococo]

@SecretAsianMan0 I know that feel. Because I am mexican, swordsmanship isn't really part of my culture (unless you consider spanish and french invaders), but I hate people diminishing their own culture over another that is not related to them. Too bad ancient aztec military training didn't transcend through history.

[45calibermedic]

@AlexLococo Grab a macana, buddy!

[45calibermedic]

@AlexLococo And some cotton.

[zerrubabbel]

@SecretAsianMan0 the way i see it, practicing one style is very limiting... once again, to any random readers, i recommend cross training... learn the strengths and weaknesses that each has to offer.

[FenrirTheDarkWolf]

THIS is what should be highly celebrated as efficient combat methods by Westerners interested in martial arts. THIS is what should be practiced and be held in a place of high pride, by Western culture in general. THIS is what should be kept alive and reinvigorated after each generation, so it wouldn't be forgotten in time. Westerners should be proud and interested in THEIR OWN culture and celebrate it everyday. NOT trying to be Samurai. It is our duty to resurrect European Historic Martial Arts.

[tSp289]

@FenrirTheDarkWolf There's realyl not that much to go on. The old fight manuals are more 'tantalising glimpses' than real instruction, but I tend to agree. It has always annoyed me that stereotypes get in the way of history. The fact is that fighting men (and before 60 AD fighting women) who remained alive through any number of battles and skirmishes must have known what they were doing. Medieval soldiers and mercs were not just thugs with pointy sticks, and though we have the idea of pre....

[talon115]

Very nice! The European arts are more than a match for any of the hockus pockus asian arts!

[Moviebro]

@talon115 Hockus Pockus? The human body can move in only so many ways. I see many similarities between Europeans Martial Arts and those from the East.

I study Ninjutsu and have respect for all the arts. Looks like you could learn some humility or simply some common sense.

[TheDejsan]

@talon115 have u ever tried kendo ? or iaido or anything else..... if u didn't, u can't judge it then.... so plz don't post stupid comments .... and plus it's stupid to say which martial art is better , that's very wrong... that means that u are not a good man and u don't know to respect others and other's opinion.....

and by the way, very nice fight over there :P

[DanielBMS]

@talon115 Even if we accept this, that doesn't change how many non Far Eastern martial arts videos are trapped in terrible quality.

[bsapaka]

axel petterson is everywhere on youtube

[Moviebro]

Punch to the face, stab hahaha

[VortexWarpzone]

I have a secret, if you want more chance to be the winner : Attack

[sombras1981]

very fast... looks like kendo more than a medieval real fight

[masterfeatherpen]

@sombras1981 NO. IT IS NOT RELATED TO KENDO IN ANY WAY. Medieval "Real" fighting was like this. Knights didn't just swing around swords like trolls, there was real technique and finesse in the way they fought. This is part of the Western Martial Arts movement that seeks to reclaim those fighting styles.

[aramanx]

@masterfeatherpen the lack of hand guard

[acephantom903]

@aramanx Look harder, there are crossguards.

[Pawnbroker00]

@masterfeatherpen What the hell? There was never any technique to begin with.

If you dont know what your doing with a sword then your an idiot.

I bet you have never truly battered anyone in a real fight before you?

[masterfeatherpen]

@Pawnbroker00 Yes, I have, but with finesse. That means I hit them in the right places to cause as much sharp pain as possible, and then hit them in the right places to make them drop their sword.

In the past I've won fights (disarm and lethal blow) within a couple seconds. If you honestly think that there is no technique to this stuff, and just "know" what to do with a sword, than I'm jealous, but I'm not impressed with your analytical skills.

[acephantom903]

@masterfeatherpen I agree with you; it takes a lot of training, skill, and finesse to be a good swordsman. I'm in my 3rd week of training and I can beat people who don't know what they are doing or if they know what to do but don't do it. But just so I'm not bragging, I lose 80% of the time. Whacks to the shins/ armpits are no fun.

[Halofreakanoid]

@Pawnbroker00 : You're joking right? There are thousands of individual techniques used in past times by the finest warriors that allowed them to kill others in a more efficient way. Someone who goes into a sword fight flailing or just trying to "tag" their enemy will be bested every time by an experienced swordsman who has mastered some of these techniques.

[Klumpen0815]

Excellent. I like the many variations.

[hunkyzombie]

This is excellent.. i think, from the miriad of videos ive watched on this subject matter, that to try and accurately demonstrate the flow of medieval combat with actual metal swords is pretty futile.

I was also wondering if you could give me any kind of understanding about how people in full plate armour would have fought. Quite a general question i know - but i should expect that slashing and hacking techniques to be rendered useless? is it all lunging for the visor?/wrestling?

[halfassedfart]

Yes to both.

[Amor1410]

In general, in full plates use half sword techniques. Many medieval masters taught it, so you will find it in their books or look for some interpretations on Youtube.

[NewZealfighter]

@hunkyzombie

My guess is a lot of half swording to stab between the plates of armor and wrestling

I also Imagine an axe or mace or morning star and long bow and cross bow or using a horse to stomp on their enemy would have much more effect on their armor then a sword blade

[Halofreakanoid]

@hunkyzombie : Not using metal weapons will never give you a full understanding of the art. Non-metal is for beginners/those using less protection.

Those dressed in full plate still have a lot of movement, however most slashing was of no use. There are techniques that allows a warrior with a longsword to kill a knight though, whether it's by holding the blade and hitting them in the head with the crossguard, or stabbing them in one of the non-protected spots.