Jesus Sun of God

[KenDyerJr]

@TMSGNAH 1) Show me some historical evidence for Jesus Christ's purported Earthly existence. 2) Explain to me why the Jesus story as presented in the 4 gospels is totally and completely UNORIGINAL having been told NUMEROUS times in ancient mythology and ancient Pagan religions, as presented in this video. Early Christian fathers admitted the parallels to be true. therefore your denial won't suffice. the parallels have been factually established. Explain why these Gods share the same life story.

[TMSGNAH]

@KenDyerJr ''SO YOU COMPARE THE TRUE LIVING SON OF GOD WITH PAGANS? IS THAT? IF SO, SORRY FOR YOU.

BUT READ ALL THE GOSPEL JOHN ABOUT WHAT JESUS SAID AND ABOUT HIM TOO. ALSO REVELATION ALL. YOU HAVE TO READ IT IN SPIRIT OF THE ALMIGHTY GOD ONLY. CAUSE THE WORD OF GOD IS GOD-BREATHED. YOU COULD NEVER GET THE TRUTH AND WISDOM AS FAR AS YOU ARE IN FLESH MINDED.

FIRST YOU NEED TO RECEIVE THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR LORD AND SAVIOR. THEN YOU MAY PRAY FOR THE HOLY SPIRIT TO TEACH YOU AND LEAD.

[KenDyerJr]

@TMSGNAH The Bible is CLEARLY PLAGIARIZED, COPIED, REHASHED MYTHOLOGY stolen from older myths, and this is demonstrated repeatedly in story after story, they can all be TRACED BACK to their origins, most of them are from ancient Egypt and Sumeria. Why don't you do some REAL RESEARCH? That's the problem with Christians, they are so emotionally, irrationally and illogically attached to what they believe that they prevent themselves from LEARNING anything that might CONTRADICT it.

[KenDyerJr]

@TMSGNAH By the way I challeneged you to provide EVIDENCE for Jesus. And I challenged you will another item as well. You FAILED on both counts. why can't you provide any EVIDENCE for JESUS? Shouldn't be so hard should it? SHOW IT TO ME FUCKER!!!

[KenDyerJr]

@TheTrollFU You're full of shit. Acharya didn't "back peddle" on Jack Shit. Google: ""ZEITGEIST, Part 1" Debunked or Refuted?" These Christians are LIARS, making flase claims that they can't prove (Jesus being a real person) as well as LYING about people who tell the TRUTH (Acharya S./D.M. Murdock) You're all going to hell according to your own book: "But... liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” - Rev. 21:8

[prologicify]

God havnt son or associate,the biG lie about jesus and god is that

[Lilim27]

i wasn't claiming whether it is true or not, but these figures like Muhammad and Confucius etc, have been proven to have lived, whereas Jesus hasn't been... what's your point?

[KenDyerJr]

@Lilim27 BULLSHIT if Muhammad lived. you're WRONG. A fake grave proves NOTHING. And I don't know about Confucious, but my bet is that he's 100% mythical as well.

[pinpon225]

thank you that someone is getting this across..... do yall know how advanced our world would be with out religion and thousands of years of scientific repression!

[hydrolito]

There are people who claim to spot Elvis still alive, you think we should believe them?

[KenDyerJr]

@hydrolito People who claim Elvis is still alive don't have FACTS on their side. As it is, Christians don't have a single fact to back up their bogus theory that Jesus was a real person.

[shishkabobby]

The belt of Orion and Serius are fixes stars. Their relative alignment is the same on every day of the year, not just December 24. This doesn't invalidate your argument, but it sure makes it sound like you are reaching a bit to make a point. You might want to point out that in the ancient near east, Orion was known as a shepherd, not not a hunter. You will not have to search much to tie Jesus, or the Christmas story, to shepherds. "Shepherds watching there flocks by night ..."

[KenDyerJr]

@shishkabobby Your IGNORANCE is SHOWING. All religions/mythologies of the past are based upon SUN WORSHIP including all of TODAY's religions. There is NO HISTORICAL EVIDENCE for Jesus, Buddha, Krishna or Muhammad. Read "SUNS OF GOD" by Acharya S.

[shishkabobby]

@KenDyerJr

You would get further with honey than vinegar. Where did I say anything about sun worship, either pro or con? There is indeed historical evidence for Jesus, but it is not conclusive in the eyes of many. Do you want to argue about the relative alignment of stars? I was trying to refine you point by showing that tying Jesus to a constellation associated with shepherds will strengthen your argument. Please stop the name calling, you will have more success.

[KenDyerJr]

@shishkabobby Show me your so-called "historical evidence" for Jesus. Josephus? FORGERY, non-contemporary. Tacitus? FORGERY, non-contemporary. Suetonius? Non-contemporary. The list goes on. Those are BULLSHIT sources that PROVE NOTHING. It's all based upon hearsay, fraud and desperate lies. The Bible story of Jesus? All the same story line as numerous other mythic pagan sun gods. PLAGIARISM. Get off it pal, you're BRAINWASHED.

[Lilim27]

@KenDyerJr Muhammad is the only one with a tomb in which he was buried, none of the others are known to be buried anywhere, in fact... lol :P

[KenDyerJr]

@Lilim27 BULLSHIT. Having a fake tomb where he was buried PROVES NOTHING. there are numerous FAKE TOMBS for JESUS too. More than several. And they are all PHONY and PROVE NOTHING. If that's the best you can do for "evidence" for Muhammad then you can just give up dipshit.

[Lilim27]

@KenDyerJr your idiocy is amazing, if Jesus were resurrected, HE WOULDN'T HAVE A BODY ON EARTH, you fucking moron. And many founders of world religions, including Muhammad who i mentioned, have known tombs, so unless you become a grave robber and prove that they are not buried there, how on earth can you claim that they are fake tombs... if there bodies are there and DNA proves who they are, what then for you? lol

[Lilim27]

@KenDyerJr relics or bones of Buddha are found in Sri Lanka, Confucius is buried in Qufu, China, Muhammad is buried in the Al-Masjid al-Nabawi mosque in Medina, Cave of the Patriarchs supposedly contains any biblical and torah prophet graves including Isaac and Abraham and their wives, Rachel has her tomb in Bethlehem, but if the bible claims Jesus was resurrected, he was brought back to live, pretty 'convenient'... but i suggest you to become a grave robber because how can you prove there fake?

[ApostasyRestoration]

OK - I found it:

First Century Historian Joesephus Flavianum: Antiquities 18.3.3

"Now there arose at this time a source of further trouble in one Jesus, a wise man who performed surprising works, a teacher of men who gladly welcome strange things. He led away many Jews, and also many of the Gentiles. He was the so-called Christ.

[KenDyerJr]

@ApostasyRestoration Nice try, dipshit. Here is an excerpt from the BOOK that I wrote on the subject: Josephus: Josephus wasn’t even born until 37 AD! Jesus purportedly died four years before Josephus was even born! This is proof that Jesus Christ walked the earth? This is the best “source” that Christians have! Josephus couldn’t have been an eye witness! What was his source of info? Word of mouth via second-hand hearsay is the best that we can hope for. Josephus is HEARSAY, not "proof."

[KenDyerJr]

The passage is also regularly dismissed as a FORGERY, even by CHRISTIAN CHURCH FATHERS!! Even the Catholic Encyclopedia says “the passage seems to suffer from repeated interpolations." So, even CHRISTIANS will tell you that Josephus is NOT evidence for Jesus Christ! Try again, numbnuts, and don't waste your time with Tacitus, Suetonious, Pliny the Younger or the four gospels, those have all been debunked as well.

[ApostasyRestoration]

When Pilate, acting on information supplied by the chief men around us, condemned him to the cross, those who had attached themselves to him at first did not cease to cause trouble, and the tribe of Christians, which has taken this name from him is not extinct even today."

[ApostasyRestoration]

For Ken Dyer: Wait a second; I think I found Yeshua’s birth certificate right here. Wait, yes , yes….. no, its Genghis Khan’s, maybe this on - Attila the Hun’s, Queen Zenobia’s, wait, wait, no … Adolph Hitler’s, JFK’s, Obama’s, Sorry my good man – you’re asking the wrong guy. Perhaps if you ask the true God and not the sun god, in the name of His Son Yeshua and not in Hellenistic titles – He’ll give it to you. You’re truly asking the wrong guy, I’m just a lowly dipshit, remember.

[KenDyerJr]

@ApostasyRestoration Yes you are a lwoly dipshit if you're making a claim that you can't back with facts. Now piss off. There is no historical evidence for Jesus Christ, Yeshua, Buddha, Muhammad, Krishna, Apollo, Horus, Mithras, Hercules or any other Sun God, you lowly dipshit. Pull your head out of your ass ignoramus.

[ApostasyRestoration]

True Christians know that Yeshua was born in April, they keep the Sabbath, not the sun god day, kept the 7 annual Sabbaths and holidays, not Lent, or Easter or Christmas as the sun god worshipers do. The True God commanded not to worship the sun god trinity: Deuteronomy 4:19 Deuteronomy 17:3. The children of God never gave offering to the moon; unless they were apostate Jeremiah 15:9 2 Kings 23:5 and then they were punished for doing so. Do not mistake Constantine Catholics for Christians

[KenDyerJr]

@ApostasyRestoration Show me some EVIDENCE that "Yeshua" was born, dipshit. YOU GOT EVIDENCE?

[josephbron]

PS Im not even a christian, but i am seeking the truth. Watching zeitgeist does NOT make you a scholar, and if you are so easily deceived, perhaps you need to think good and hard on you world view. Yall religios wackos are anoying, and stupid. Once again i am not a christian! But i am also not stupid. USE FACTS OR STFU

[josephbron]

Not one miracle that Jesus did can be found in the story of Horus. Horus was never crucified, dead for three days, nor was he resurrected. An unofficial story, Horus was ripped apart and and thrown into a river, and a crocodile fished him out, after which Isis performed magic to bring him back. I'm not even a christian, but im not dumb enough to believe everything i am told. Do some fucking research, just because you watched zeitgeist doesn't mean you are a scholar. SEEK THE TRUTH, CAREFULLY!

[josephbron]

Horus was and has never been known as a child teacher at 12, the only significance the age 12 is the passage to manhood. Horus has no record of being a child teacher. Horus was never baptized and Egyptology actually laugh at this statement. Horus asked to be purified by Anub but there is no written record of this actually happening. Jesus was baptized so he could legally become a priest. There is also no account of what age Horus asked to be "purified".

[josephbron]

Has anybody here actually researched if this is true? You all claim to be so smart but did you bother to check up on ANY of these facts? Let me "enlighten" you on how wrong you really are. The English translations for Jesus and Joshua are not the same, the Hebrew word for Jesus just sounds like Joshua. The bible never says when Jesus was born but actual scholars agree that he was born in the spring. You cant even see orions belt or Sirius on December 25th because the stars are below thehorizon

[RUDAWAKNING]

I don't think this guy realizes, how much Muslims eat this stuff up. Who can't see the scholastical dishonesty in this comparison. In their mind everyone one who is not Muslim in the US, is a Trinitarian Pagan and needs to become Muslim to bring in world harmony. It takes too long to debunk faulty scholarship as this 9 minute clip of nice pictures. Even then, once this lie is planted, you cannot convince the Muslim it is like saying, "Potatoes have eyes, people have eyes."

[KenDyerJr]

@RUDAWAKNING The problem with you folks is that you WAR with one another. Listen to the BIAS in your tone in what you say about Muslims. Muslims kill people, terrorize people, and you Christians talk shit about them while you simultaneously IGNORE the FACT that Christianity is responsible for more blood, gore, war, death and destruction on this planet than any other REASON, period. Crusades, Inquisition, witch hunts, the list goes on. All of your religions are FALSE. Religions cause HATE & WARS.

[RUDAWAKNING]

@KenDyerJr Well Jr., who is you folks? Hmmm, Al Qaeda just killed 28 Coptic Christians, did you expect them to keep quiet while they buried their dead. Is that talking shit? A muslim sent me this link. No matter how much I tried to talk peace with him, he was unwilling to even consider the ramifications of saying muslims will rule the world. The Catholic Popes are responsible for a little less than 6 million deaths, which include Christians. None of it was biblical.

[KenDyerJr]

@RUDAWAKNING You religious pieces of shit are killing this world. FUCK OFF HYPOCRITES.

[KenDyerJr]

@RUDAWAKNING There is no dishonesty in this video. All ancient mythologies are based upon the sun, moon, stars, constellations, zodiac, etc etc All are ALLEGORICAL in nature and based mainly upon ASTROLOGY. Those myths (Greek, Egyptian, Sumerian, etc) were the RELIGIONS of those time periods. People took them just as seriously as Christians take Christianity today. And Christianity is all based upon the same ALLEGORICAL concepts. This is PROVEN FACT.

[RUDAWAKNING]

@KenDyerJr Where did you get the references for the Egyptian Gods? Or the Sumerian Gods? Have you ever read the 7 Tablets of Creation? I have. They are wild to say the least. They read nothing like the creation in Genesis. But I haven't seen people worshiping the Anunnaki lately. Or even Marduk. You see, though there are parallels, there are vast differences. Though you have lumped me in with Catholics who committed atrocities in the past, there are those who helped people in need.

[RUDAWAKNING]

@KenDyerJr Atheists and Muslims tend to generalize that if a person believes in Jesus, he is like the religious despots of the past. However, if you just read the sayings of Jesus, as Richard Dawkins has, you will realize, Jesus was nothing like what religious institutions have portrayed him as. I have decided to research the NT with the balance of faith and credibility and have come up with a much simpler version of X-tian. Do you hate me for that? I don't feel the need to relaliate.

[KenDyerJr]

@RUDAWAKNING I am really sick and fucking tired of this "My God can beat up your God" mentality. "My God is better than your God" BULLSHIT. You so-called "holy" people all KILLING PEOPLE, starting fucking WARS because you claim to be "righteous". You can all take your hypocritical nonsense and go fuck yourselves. If you want to kill somebody, kill YOURSELVES. The world would then be a better place.

[RUDAWAKNING]

@KenDyerJr Jr. Where are you getting your material to make these comparisons? Is it from someone else? If so who? I said nothing about, "Jesus & Allah Celebrity Death Match" we will see what happens at the end of the match. I Googled Bart Erhman, and found many quotes from his books on Muslim Websites, more than on Atheistic websites. I was reading several Muslim blogs, that quoted from Bart, but failed to honor the copyright laws. But you said some pretty hateful things against me, unwarranted.

[howuLikdmApples]

whuts the name of the full Video for this???? is it Ziet? anyone kno???????

[aaa333ify]

How did so many cultures, most of which had no contact with one another, come up with the same idea? The only conclusion I can draw is that this idea was the truth!

Historically, Jesus DID have 12 disciples, he WAS claimed to be born of a virgin, he WAS crucified, and his disciples DID claim his Resurrection. They picked the date December 25th, to please the Pagan converts who had believed in another God born on December 25th.

[KenDyerJr]

@aaa333ify WRONG!! It's because it's all based in ASTROLOGY!! Twleve, twelve, twelve, twelve, all over the place in astrology and all the myths and "ideas" as you call them are allegorically BASED in astrology. WAKE UP. Horus had all the same story as Jesus. came first? There are 30-40 with the same basic storyline who CAME BEFORE JESUS!!

[aaa333ify]

@KenDyerJr Yes 30-40 stories shared CERTAIN SIMILARITIES w/ Jesus. However, many of those similarities just had to do w/ the basic historical facts. He WAS 30 @ ministry, he DID have 12 disciples, he WAS crucified, and they ALL claimed he had risen. Those things could not have been copied from sun-myths, because they actually happened!!

In his epistles, Paul described the resurrerection not by copying sun gods, but because he knew Simon Peter, and other disciples.

[KenDyerJr]

@aaa333ify You're off your rocker. You don't know what the fuck you'rew talking about. You're a MORON. Paul doesn't mention one single aspect of the Jesus story. the virgin birth, the crucifixion, resurrection, miracles, NONE OF THAT stuff. And all four gospels totally and completely CONTRADICT each other as well. Go away you're dumb.

[pulman7]

@aaa333ify do you listen to your self when you say ( God born )

[bildakid]

Jesus was the "sun" of god, meaning he was illuminating god, he refered to himself as the light, and concidered all people the children of god. You can't insit he didn;t exist because because it's simular to another person's life(story) that woudl be like saying beacuse there was a super star base ball player Babe Ruth, then the legends of joe dimaggio must be a lie.

[RUDAWAKNING]

@bildakid I was thinking that Babe Ruth was a candy bar: you know nougat wrapped in peanuts, covered in chocolate. Maybe the candy bar played baseball. After all 4500 years later, people will believe anything you tell them about baseball. There is another roll of film we found, Dr. N. D. Future, the is this baseball player call "Payday". He too was like Babe Ruth, nougat wrapped in peanuts, however he was not covered in chocolate. It's sad to think people believe candy bars played baseball.

[gordonculp]

FAIL. I CAN PROVE OTHERWISE AND THE BIBLE AND ITS PROPHECIES THROUGH SCRIPTURE, ARCHAEOLOGY AND HISTORY. COMMENT FOR THE MESSGE

[TheSonsOfLight]

@gordonculp Prove it..

[BTHstudios]

amazing.

[Dovelike]

That was very fascinating. Keep up the good work. It is important to keep an open mind.

[manofreason64]

Should we ever doubt that religion is the biggest and most destructive fraud ever? This expose is nothing new though. In the early to mid 1700's, Thomas Paine and other early patriots and founding fathers of our Constitution and Dec of Independence taught the same things. And, they still retained a firm belief in a God from reason, as witnessed only in creation and the nature of things, not from bibles and prophets and the creeds of men.

This "natural religion" is called Deism. God bless--

[meak911]

the sun of the roman god has become jesus the image of the false christ

[Jozi832]

I dont believe in a Pope who wants to put fear into people, first with the Spanish Inquisition, then with the Jesuits. Its all human politics and got nothing to do with spirituality. The church is the whore of Babylon. Religion = Pope, British Empire and Anglican Bush politics. They always retry to enslave people.

[Jozi832]

Jesus might have been the son of Julius Caesar and Cleopatra and then he was just a curious guy. I do not KNOW, but I BELIEVE Jesus got his wisdom when he travelled to a Buddhist monastery. Buddhists are the ultimate protestants, far away from Roman Empire Popes, directly experiencing spirituality.

[Jozi832]

All the worldly stakeholders rely on astrology. Im afraid the Good God is a fake god and the real god is the androgenic immanent PAN-God bearing good and evil inside and we're being part of that God. Is there a transcendent God outside our worldly experience ? Can be, but then (S)He is not relevant in our lifetime.

[sexzombie]

This is an earlier version of Zeitgeist the movie (pt 1 The greatest story ever told).

After I downloaded this documentry and watched it-I distributed as many copies to friends and family as I could. Regardless of faith people need to be aware of this film!

[TheDoucheFairy]

the romans were known for plagiarism, just look , they took the greek gods and changed their names, but they were basically the same! Romans had a problem because the just weren't as creative as a bunch of the early civilizations

[fassantaana]

Thank you for Posting this man! Finally someone speaks the truth about religion. Its a belief made by man to strike fear in others! Seriously thanks for posting this and ignore all these Jesus Freaks.

[lolosagemini]

So what exactly do you believe?

[KenDyerJr]

I believe Christ is a MYTH and the Bible is all plagiarized. It's all a crock.

[gefftom]

if you wipe out jesus you wipe out all religions, note a key belief in islam is to believe in jesus

[KenDyerJr]

Too bad he's a myth huh? Did you look at the FACTS?

[KenDyerJr]

Wiping out all religions would be a BLESSING in this world.

[sabertooth1980]

Ironically I say to this, Amen.

[bballmania1324]

@gefftom you don't wipe out all religions. you just wipe out christianity and islam would find a way to cope. they don't really believe jesus was a messiah, just another prophet in the same way elijah, moses, etc. were.

judaism would still be around, all the european pagan religions, the eastern religions/traditions/philosoph­ies, the native american and south american belief systems that were there before colonization, africa's belief system's before colonization.

that was most ignorant of you

[ScampiniStudios09]

You have something coming to you man......

[KenDyerJr]

Nice comments. No intelligence, only trash talk. No backing of your arguments, only trash talk, only attacking the person who posted the video.  Back up your talk or take a walk.

[InfiniteDreams76]

Nice Fairytail....

[KenDyerJr]

The Bible? Yes, it's a great work of science fiction.

[gaynorvader]

This is a very interesting collection of facts IMO.

[KenDyerJr]

ScampiniStudios09 I'd like to thank you for your intelligent "Christian" response to my video.

[LeRoseStudios09]

good one queer. it dosent matter what u say, cuz u'll be rotting in a lake of fire

[KenDyerJr]

Another intelligent "Christian" response. You're really showing what you're made of here, keep these coming.