Gina Gogean was underscored so many times in her career, I'm glad she was actually overscored here. Gina deserves the 93 world AA title over miller, how about admitting that Miller was overscored then?
Not that I know of but there is a famous clip of here doing a beam backflip and smacking the side of her head hard as she missed her footing and fell. She sported a big bump but said she was fine and indeed was immediately checked out and followed up and proved to be so.
I really admired the gymnast from Romania, but Gina was underscored in all her routines, she deserved to win, others were better, what a fuck with the judges..her style was bored and not new to watch
Gina Gold medal - a disgrace to gymnastics. She did not show any complexity or elegance. Also in the raid was a loss of balance, and the handstand was not twine. Gold should be a Chinese woman, silver - at Khorkina, and Gene should be number 10.
Er... did she ONLY do a front somersault on the beam? I can't believe how simple the routine was! Which moronic judges gave her the gold? Please resign from judging!
I think this isn't as bad as most, though I do wish Kui had the gold. Gina has some pretty parts. She doesn't show the fun she's having (she never did) like Kui did and I guess that's probably partly why people don't like her routine as much.
@tomsk14 I agree completely. Hating on Gina Gogean for doing her job is uncalled for. Should this have won gold? No. But people need to take it up with the judges instead of calling Gina names. She won a lot of well-deserved medals in her career; this just wasn't one of them.
People have to look at the reality of this. Both their routines started out of a ten, Gina had one bobble, Kui had a hop on the landing and three nit picky bobbles. It's called cheating the code, something Gina was famous for. However unfair it seems, Gina wins.
I really don't think this beam routine should score any higher than 9.7 even with all the stuck landings. Too bad she really watered her beam routine after her nasty fall in 94. She much more capable than this simple boring routine. And the judges must have been high on crack.
KUI is a LEGEND, Those of you have never seen her routine for this final WATCH IT NOW. She was robbed, but she is still the BEST beam gymnast in beam HISTORY!!!! And that is not an understatement.
I don't think she did better than khorkina she had a couple wobbles and khorkina executed hers perfectly !!! Maybe Gina had a higher difficulty but she didn't execute her routine as well as svetlana!! Thumbs up if u agree to this
I don't dislike Gina. Her gymnastics just dwindled over time. She performed some really spectacular routines from 90-94. Her beam used to include a full twisting BHS. Perhaps if she kept it, along with her consistency, there wouldn't be such a big debate
She was just doing what Romanians were known for: using the Code to their advantage... nothing too impressive nothing to risky in order to just hit... although it was a pretty big wobble at the beginning with an extra step and she is never up on her toes when she changes direction... definitely inflated score! Kui was robbed big time!
This is the best example of what was wrong with the code of points on beam at this time. How does THIS routine win a world championship? Not only did she NOT have a flight series; two of her "combinations" were total copouts. Front tuck to changement? Beat jump to backhandspring quarter? I could forgive those if there were something else of substance in the routine, but there is NOT.
@AsksOneThing Yeah it is interesting to wonder what her D (difficulty) score would be compared to some of the others under the current code. I bet it would be way below, so much so she would need 2 falls from some of the others to beat them even if her E (execution) score were still very high.
Errr...how was THIS routine better than Kui Yuanyuan's?! Yuanyuan had so much more difficulty and acrobatic moves. She was sorta dancing around on the beam, other than her mount and her punch front, nothing else was of high difficulty. Puzzles the heck out of me. And apparently, this result is one of the biggest controversies in scoring in WAG lol.
Khorkina and Kui were both easily better than this. I didnt see all of the others but I would actually like to think there was atleast 1 other who clearly deserved to beat this conservative code whoreing routine.
However, I have to go with majority rules on this thread and say that this was at least a Bronze medal routine. Definitely loved Kui and Khorkina over this one. Gina definitely changed from her younger days - her BB routine from 1992 euros was much better than this one but I do love her dismount.
Someone in this thread said something profound and i have to agree, "judges not only have a responsibility to score according to the COP, but also to rank the gymnasts that perform routines." So it was a judging mess! Gina can code whore all she wants but its the judges that should make sure the best routines win, and this routine was clearly not the best. There are mistakes. And she does a straight jump to 1/4 handstand???!!! No way....not a gold medal routine and the judges know it.
Gina had a breathtakingly beautiful dismount combination here! The best of her career! Still 3rd place is the very best she should have gotten in this final! Strange result
Don't get me wrong, I really love Gogean...but she absolutely did not deserve the Gold Medal. I think it is one of the biggest judging embarrasments in all of gymnastic history. Tat mdeal was a gift for her retirement. Such a shame.
i like the way that kathy johnson commentates..i think she gives comments to every gymnasts and does not seem to have any bias..hmmm..what do you guys think?
I don't understand the term "codewhoring." Was her routine as difficult as Kui's? No way. But it wasn't any less difficult than most beam routines of the time.
Actually, no, that's not what it "means." The first half of what you said is accurate; the second half has nothing to do with the term. What I was saying is that I disagree with that assessment. No, she shouldn't have won the title. That doesn't mean she can't be respected as the great gymnast that she was.
@auswriteratheart I commend you on your inability to use quotation marks properly. All of what I said is accurate. The second half clarifies the term. Clearly your vocabulary is as limited as your gymnastic knowledge. You cannot be a whore unless there is a purchase, and the judges were willing customers in this sham. Furthermore, you were not making an assessment. You were asking a question, which I addressed accurately, but please don not let facts like that interrupt your combativeness.
Dumb Elfie comment. "she designs her routines to hit." As if the other gymnasts don't. And is that her code for the fact that Gogean took few risks and got the gold?
That's not Elfie commentating, it's Kathy Johnson. She won bronze on beam at the 1984 Olympics. I think she was putting it nicely that Gina Gogean was whoring out the code of points and doing the bare minimum to get a ten SV.
@markedexclusive yes, you are right. sometimes they sound the same to me... it was just amazing that there was a way to get a 10 value, and do so little tumbling. I mean, her leaps were nice, but jeez... I do like this code better, but i wish they did 2 scores out of 5.00, so it could add up to 10.0.
how was this routine even worth a 10.0 even by 1997 code of points? if i am not mistaken, this routine was basically the same exact routine she did at the 96 olympics, and even then it was the bare minimum.
Well put about this routine putting the Romanian legacy to shame. This routine is not even in the same universe as Comaneci, Szabo, Agache, Silivas, Dobre, Potorac. It's a visible step DOWN from her forebears.
Gina is no doubt one of the greats, but for this routine to win over KYY's will never cease to be insane to me. One of the most ridiculous results courtesy of the old code!
I have no clue how Gogean won the gold. As stated, she had a very obvious form break on her mount. Khorkina's routine was far superior. But, as many of you stated - I believe Kui should have won as well. Innovation and difficulty always should be factored in a routine. Kui had a much more difficult, artistic, and exciting routine.
What do you mean by this comment??? Sure I agree this routine by Gina was boring and dull but that does not mean the Romanians routines on beam are all dull and boring... I don't consider Silivas, Dobre, Comaneci, Potorac, Marinescu, Ponor and Porgras work on BB boring. Perhaps you just meant this quad of gymnasts (Gogean,Milo,Amanar) are boring on beam. But clearly, this is NOT a typical romanian beam routine because they are LEGENDS on beam.
it isn't really Ginas fault Kui lost. It was the fault of the judges. Though Gina had a stuck dismount i think the judges should have recognized that Kui had a much more difficult routine.
"this" is a routine out of 10.000 under the cop back then and was performed very clearly. do not blame gina. blame the code or the ones who made it up
this really was not an example of a winning routine. I suppose the dismount combination doubled as her major tumbling series. but nothing that stood out as an expemplary. She hit all of her elements and covered all the bases, but was not a remarkable routine and did not deserve the score.
That's the thing with the old scoring system - they're all worth a 10.0. And if you just go by deductions- it's hard to find deductions with Gogean's type of gymnastics. You don't get rewarded with extra difficulty. I think they should also reward now for artistry somehow.
Kui Yuan Yuan totally should have won gold, with Gogean in Second and Khorkina in third. everytime this girl makes a final she wins. the judges always favor her. its not FAIR!!!!! *throws temper tantrum* lol
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well kui had 2 balance checks; gogean had 1; khorkina had 0
if anything the results should have been
1. khorkina
2. gogean
3. kui
I know kui yuyuan had a much more difficult and spectacular set than the other girls in the final, but the old code did not reward difficulty with its 10.0 ceiling.
It was NOT the judges error - they were merely applying the rules of the code. It was the code's error, if anything
It WAS the judge's error. After the competition, the president of the FIG actually chastised the judges and told them they were wrong. It was common during this time to award gymnasts for increased difficulty. Most of the perfect 10 routines had tiny errors, but were so amazing because of the difficulty, grace, and precision that the judges overlooked them. Besides, judges do not merely score, they rank. And Kui clearly had a better routine than Gogean.
i didn't see any balance cheeks in Kui's routine. except for the little hop forward on the dismount, which is considered a minor mistake in finals, her r0utine was nearly perfect. the judges unfairly judged this. they even had the nerve to apologize after the competition without rejudging the routines or giving their rightful medals or ANYTHING. the nintyseven worlds was almost as fucked up as the 2000 sydney olympic games.
I don't think they should take the gold medal from gogean and give it to the right one though. imagine you were gogean and someone gave u the gold and then took it off from u! how embarassing that would be
This routine is good in places, but it's not a EF gold IMHO, particularly when you weigh it up against Kui's!
The leap series are nice, and one of the change split leaps is beautifully stretched, but other than that and the stuck dismount there's not enough firepower (or artistry) here.
But if you really want to complain about dodgy judging, watch a major rhythmic comp. Sheesh!
I like Gogean's form and lines, but it seemed like she never cared to go for any sort of extremely difficult moves. I honestly don't think she should have won any medal, just like Atlanta.
Though I think Kui should have won and it's ridiculously obvious, I do like her under-the-beam work. Did she even do any aerials in this routine? All I saw were about a thousand jumps.
This whole event final was a sick joke. I mean WTF? Some of you don't get the big picture here when you make comments like "Gina did what she had to do to win." She did do what it takes to win but she did it by playing it safe. This routine was an embarrassment to all the beam legends all over the world from the past to the present. Everyone know's Kui's routine was the most difficult, versatile and artistic at this competition.
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That's why I dislike the Romanions, they get overscored too many times. For example, Stelinana Nistor, she has so many form breaks in her 2007 Beam routine and yet she still got a good score, samething for her bar routine. The Romanions are too much liked.
Well atleast Gina, as incredibly boring as she was, had good form and execution, and decent dance (for a Romanian). Nistor doesnt have any of those things.
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Oh please,she had just as many bobbles as kui who only had around two or so.The judges were all crap and even had the nerve to apologise after the whole meet.Absolute bullshit.
Well, don't take it out on Gina. I completely agree--her routine was MUCH easier, and Kui definitely should have won, but it's not the girls' fault. The judges are the ones who are at fault. And Gina does have excellent extension and form, whether you like her or not.
Silivas, Dobre, Szabo, Agache-indeed all the Romanians of the 1980's trained by Goreac and Bitang-deserved their scores and medals in that era-they had beautiful dance, choreo, and gorgeous technique on most of their elements.
I saw that fall(1994). Gina Gogean was very brave because she had plenty force inside of her to continue. She managed with that trouble! This is the difference between her and the overscored Khorkhina. Last mentioned would cry, screaming like hell and four years after she would do the same ugly fall. Gina won a GOLD medal instead! "one freakin` salto", said one of you. She had THE NERVE to do that "salto"! Many gymnasts would retire after an unfortunate incident like Gina`s.
GOD this routine made me sick......she was a gymnast who was very overscored during this competition. She didn't deserve it no matter HOW long she was a gymnast and how many falls she had on the beam....OR because of her reputation. What a JOKE this scoring was.
Um...I am NOT naive. I was making a comment about Gina Gogean, not Khorkina---who despite getting some scores that are bigger because of reputation she still shows amazing stuff.
This routine should have scored no greater than around a 9.4, even with a 10.0 SV. She should have incurred several compositional and form deductions for split legs, less than perfect toe point, awkward dance, long pauses before elements, and general lack of amplitude. One of the most overscored gymnasts in gymnastics history. Now I'll go watch that clip from 1994 Worlds where she hits her head on the beam after her layout...
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One of the most overscored gymnasts in gymnastics history - That was Khorkhina, not Gogean! U make me laugh ... "Now I'll go watch that clip from 1994 Worlds where she hits her head on the beam after her layout..." - U said Well, in that case I`ll go watch Khorkhina`s beam routine from "International France", were she "gracious" falls!
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LOL, your commenting on here is a joke. No one is even caring about Khorkina here. You are too blinded by your Gina love and Khorkina hate to realize 95% of the people here think she didn't deserve this title.
P.S. I think you mean "where she 'graciously' falls"
All things said about Gogean you cant deny she is made for the sport mentally, perhaps not as risky and flairy and exciting as others, but so so calm and controlled and collected, she never looks rattled. She did what was required, you cant argue with that, if reward had been given for more expression, whos to say she wouldnt have produced it?
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this routine makes me want to puke. How did this routine have a 10 start value. Ive seen more difficult routines in the 70s. And look at the mount there is just as much of a bobble there as there is from kui on the layout series. She trys to trick the judges by walking out of it, but its clearly there.
A true champ acts like a true champ. For instance: he/she never acts in an unappropriate way (like Khorkhina did in 2000 at Sydney, spreading bad rumours about another gymnast(Raducan in her case). A true champ must be prepare to anticipate a disaster, so that when its comes, to overtake that. A true champ is different by other people not BECAUSE "she is Khorkhina" but because the way she manage troubles! THAT makes the difference. The Attitude!
who won these finals? if gina beat kui, they were f'ing insane. even with the bobbles and slight balance checks, no sane person could possibly think gina's routine was even in the same ball park. i'm so glad they changed the scoring to award risk.
that said, there's only one free flip in the routine, aside from the dismount
dalmationham 3 days ago
i like this routine. she didn't wobble at all. perfectly executed
dalmationham 3 days ago
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Gina Gogean - the most infamous champion. There is no complexity, no beauty or grace. Judges have stolen gold from the Kui!
DJKiara88 1 month ago
Gina Gogean was underscored so many times in her career, I'm glad she was actually overscored here. Gina deserves the 93 world AA title over miller, how about admitting that Miller was overscored then?
Planetimage2 1 month ago
i feel like she didnt do much during this routine
nchllltmr 1 month ago
khorkina should have won over her
JuliaErzanne 3 months ago
TALENTLESS
mortella23 3 months ago
Has Gogean ever been knocked unconscious in training or competition?
Vlad500 4 months ago
@Vlad500
Not that I know of but there is a famous clip of here doing a beam backflip and smacking the side of her head hard as she missed her footing and fell. She sported a big bump but said she was fine and indeed was immediately checked out and followed up and proved to be so.
custardaghost 1 month ago
If this was the gold medal routine.....then something is seriously FUCKED!!!
NedSCUBAyah 4 months ago 4
Well Kui didn't stick the landing, and she had a couple of balance checks, whereas Gina was mainly square.
12bmills 4 months ago
I really admired the gymnast from Romania, but Gina was underscored in all her routines, she deserved to win, others were better, what a fuck with the judges..her style was bored and not new to watch
Axel780710 4 months ago
I hate her hands! I hate her hands! I hate her hands!!!
icerink99 5 months ago
go gina u deserved to win !!!
TheRomanitza 5 months ago
this beam routine is less difficult than the ones she did when she was 10 years old!
matthewxcountry 6 months ago
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What would this be worth in today's COP?
caseduke 6 months ago
there is nothing interesting in this beam pff just some piloupilou romania choregraphie
hanakyne 6 months ago
HOLY FUCK MAN KUI YUANYAN`S GOLD WAS STOLEN BY THIS IMPOSTER
LilMissHN 6 months ago
This defiantly did not deserve to win over Kui Yuanyan AT ALL!!!
seanthefriendlywhale 7 months ago
Gina Gold medal - a disgrace to gymnastics. She did not show any complexity or elegance. Also in the raid was a loss of balance, and the handstand was not twine. Gold should be a Chinese woman, silver - at Khorkina, and Gene should be number 10.
DJKiara88 7 months ago
Kui was robbed. Ugh!
kakumei77 7 months ago
She literally did nothing.
labsjoao 8 months ago
Her hands are so annoying!
MrsShazziePepper1996 9 months ago
I don't like the new cop too much but it would have awarded Kui the gold she so badly deserved.
bernardmvella 9 months ago
Er... did she ONLY do a front somersault on the beam? I can't believe how simple the routine was! Which moronic judges gave her the gold? Please resign from judging!
yangbofan 10 months ago
I think this isn't as bad as most, though I do wish Kui had the gold. Gina has some pretty parts. She doesn't show the fun she's having (she never did) like Kui did and I guess that's probably partly why people don't like her routine as much.
ShawnVikaKomova2012 10 months ago
Dont hate on Gina, the fact is that she did was required in those code of points.
It winds me up when people criticise the romanians of the 90's, no they werent beautiful and fun to watch, but they were coached to win.
Get it?? COACHED - TO - WIN.
If something else was required, they wouldve done something else, they were doing what was required under that code of points to win.
I'd rather this than the mess we had 2006 - 2009.
I heart Gina.
tomsk14 11 months ago 7
@tomsk14 I agree completely. Hating on Gina Gogean for doing her job is uncalled for. Should this have won gold? No. But people need to take it up with the judges instead of calling Gina names. She won a lot of well-deserved medals in her career; this just wasn't one of them.
triplefull368 8 months ago 13
@tomsk14 I agree with you. :)
iheartcheese111 8 months ago
@tomsk14 Why? because the United States were dominant in that era?
all4uanew 1 month ago
@all4uanew I didnt mention the USA, it was a grotesque era in gymnastics that most of us here would never want to see again.....
tomsk14 1 month ago
Gina does not deserve the gold medal and Kui Yuan Yuan deserves something higher then a bronze!
Summonearth 11 months ago 2
corrupt.
all4uanew 1 year ago 3
People have to look at the reality of this. Both their routines started out of a ten, Gina had one bobble, Kui had a hop on the landing and three nit picky bobbles. It's called cheating the code, something Gina was famous for. However unfair it seems, Gina wins.
gymnasticsloverxoxo 1 year ago 2
I really don't think this beam routine should score any higher than 9.7 even with all the stuck landings. Too bad she really watered her beam routine after her nasty fall in 94. She much more capable than this simple boring routine. And the judges must have been high on crack.
Titannu 1 year ago
Not even a one single lay-out and the judges gave THIS the gold medal instead of Kui Yuanyan? What the heck was that??
cargobud 1 year ago
The British commentator Christine Still noted that Gina commonly turned on flat feet not the toes or ball of the foot !!! she was quite right !
garyj79 1 year ago
BOOOOOO!!! Enjoy the gifts Gina you tired looking heffer take a nap already lmao
ajhornell 1 year ago
She won it over Kui with this?! Were the judges blind, or what?
caseduke 1 year ago 3
KUI is a LEGEND, Those of you have never seen her routine for this final WATCH IT NOW. She was robbed, but she is still the BEST beam gymnast in beam HISTORY!!!! And that is not an understatement.
jramberran 1 year ago 3
i actually liked the little bit of *gasp* choreography low to the beam
it was pretty artistic and original, but the rest of the routine was boring... *snores*
*snores again* *wakes up* *"what'd i miss?"* *"nothing it's gogean's beam"* *"oh ok good night wake me up when it's over"* *snores*
bbhouk1 1 year ago
This routine looks even easier than Nadia Comaneci's routine from 1976 (excpet the dismont) !!!
CHOWCWT 1 year ago
Wow - look at the height on that dismount... maybe its just me but wow...
lizzle7654 1 year ago
GINA THE BEST
TheRomanitza 1 year ago
I don't think she did better than khorkina she had a couple wobbles and khorkina executed hers perfectly !!! Maybe Gina had a higher difficulty but she didn't execute her routine as well as svetlana!! Thumbs up if u agree to this
AAProductionsx 1 year ago
I actually don't blame Gina.
After what happened to her on beam in the 1994 Worlds, I'd be a bit scared to throw risky elements on beam myself.
TwisterFlipp95 1 year ago
I don't dislike Gina. Her gymnastics just dwindled over time. She performed some really spectacular routines from 90-94. Her beam used to include a full twisting BHS. Perhaps if she kept it, along with her consistency, there wouldn't be such a big debate
aleksdeabreu 1 year ago
She was just doing what Romanians were known for: using the Code to their advantage... nothing too impressive nothing to risky in order to just hit... although it was a pretty big wobble at the beginning with an extra step and she is never up on her toes when she changes direction... definitely inflated score! Kui was robbed big time!
PDRKorea 1 year ago 5
this routine is well executed but the lack of difficulty bothers me
kevinlongwood 1 year ago
If I were Gogean I would of handed my medal to Kui because I would have been too embarrassed to accept the gold for something that wasn't near par!
foresure88 1 year ago 3
gina is the best!
rodrigotangerino 1 year ago
hey compare this: yuanyuan: wolf jump to a rulfova
gogean: wolf jump 1/2 to another wolf jump
this is ridiculous
natalienat518 1 year ago
This is the best example of what was wrong with the code of points on beam at this time. How does THIS routine win a world championship? Not only did she NOT have a flight series; two of her "combinations" were total copouts. Front tuck to changement? Beat jump to backhandspring quarter? I could forgive those if there were something else of substance in the routine, but there is NOT.
Poor Kui Yuanyuan, robbed by the code of death.
AsksOneThing 1 year ago
@AsksOneThing Yeah it is interesting to wonder what her D (difficulty) score would be compared to some of the others under the current code. I bet it would be way below, so much so she would need 2 falls from some of the others to beat them even if her E (execution) score were still very high.
kristirulesice 1 year ago
kui yuanyuan and Svetlana khorkina were so much better!!!
sochisochi 1 year ago 3
)$(*LKJFDEU* ughh...this routine is so stupid....kui's layout layout to a full was so freaking impressive...
pollutedm1nd 1 year ago
Errr...how was THIS routine better than Kui Yuanyuan's?! Yuanyuan had so much more difficulty and acrobatic moves. She was sorta dancing around on the beam, other than her mount and her punch front, nothing else was of high difficulty. Puzzles the heck out of me. And apparently, this result is one of the biggest controversies in scoring in WAG lol.
AndromedaAiken 1 year ago
why was this routine even in the finals?
agators212 1 year ago
yes, thank god for the new code of points. this routine is pathetic compared to others in the competition
benrobinson77 1 year ago
Khorkina and Kui were both easily better than this. I didnt see all of the others but I would actually like to think there was atleast 1 other who clearly deserved to beat this conservative code whoreing routine.
buttleelegant 1 year ago
However, I have to go with majority rules on this thread and say that this was at least a Bronze medal routine. Definitely loved Kui and Khorkina over this one. Gina definitely changed from her younger days - her BB routine from 1992 euros was much better than this one but I do love her dismount.
serenenz 1 year ago 2
Someone in this thread said something profound and i have to agree, "judges not only have a responsibility to score according to the COP, but also to rank the gymnasts that perform routines." So it was a judging mess! Gina can code whore all she wants but its the judges that should make sure the best routines win, and this routine was clearly not the best. There are mistakes. And she does a straight jump to 1/4 handstand???!!! No way....not a gold medal routine and the judges know it.
islaandman 2 years ago 4
Gina had a breathtakingly beautiful dismount combination here! The best of her career! Still 3rd place is the very best she should have gotten in this final! Strange result
Timtation69 1 year ago
Kui Yuan Yuan tottaly deserved this gold medal!
luv4cookie1 2 years ago 6
yes she did! she had sooo much difficulty...but she had small errors in her exercise which the judges took A LOT away
LaVoix555 2 years ago
Don't get me wrong, I really love Gogean...but she absolutely did not deserve the Gold Medal. I think it is one of the biggest judging embarrasments in all of gymnastic history. Tat mdeal was a gift for her retirement. Such a shame.
pappysprite 2 years ago 4
She deserved it according to the rules at the time.
tcseeme 2 years ago
i like the way that kathy johnson commentates..i think she gives comments to every gymnasts and does not seem to have any bias..hmmm..what do you guys think?
jamesbug2002 2 years ago
I totally agree with you, I think she is a much better commentator than Elfie, who is much more critical.
andro669 2 years ago 3
Stretch jump + ¼ backflip to hdst
The most ridiculous combination ever
nikirififo 2 years ago 4
Boring
PetiteDrogue 2 years ago
Gina was champ whether she deserved it or not and thats all I got to say!
andro669 2 years ago
I understand the difficulty is increase as time goes by.
But the difficulty of 4.9 won the Gold rather then Kui Yuanyuan as difficulty of 6.3 in Worlds 1997 still ridiculous.
Can you just believe that? Can you?
richiefaye 2 years ago 4
I've done a difficulty value count with my professional skill for her routine as below:
D, B, A, B+A, D+A,C+A, A+B, A, B+B+D
Valid Connecting Bonus: B+B+D = 0.1
According to the new code which updated in 2009 ( most 8 difficult movements score plus valid connecting bonus score) Her routine's difficulty is 4.9
current BB world champion Deng Linlin holds the difficulty at 6.7, even she just performed6.4 in London 2009
I am not saying anything about her, but 4.9 means everything
richiefaye 2 years ago 3
I don't understand the term "codewhoring." Was her routine as difficult as Kui's? No way. But it wasn't any less difficult than most beam routines of the time.
auswriteratheart 2 years ago
it means she used the easiest skills in the code to accomplish a 10 start value while her obvious deductions were ignored by the judges.
all4uanew 2 years ago 3
Actually, no, that's not what it "means." The first half of what you said is accurate; the second half has nothing to do with the term. What I was saying is that I disagree with that assessment. No, she shouldn't have won the title. That doesn't mean she can't be respected as the great gymnast that she was.
auswriteratheart 2 years ago
@auswriteratheart I commend you on your inability to use quotation marks properly. All of what I said is accurate. The second half clarifies the term. Clearly your vocabulary is as limited as your gymnastic knowledge. You cannot be a whore unless there is a purchase, and the judges were willing customers in this sham. Furthermore, you were not making an assessment. You were asking a question, which I addressed accurately, but please don not let facts like that interrupt your combativeness.
all4uanew 3 weeks ago
Keep in mind its not Gina's fault that it happened. She's a victim too, of all this hate because the COP is messed up.
suegirl145 2 years ago 2
she is quite stable on the balance beam, but the wrong thing is the gold medal should being for kui yuan yuan, what the hell of these judges
safarihk 2 years ago 2
Dumb Elfie comment. "she designs her routines to hit." As if the other gymnasts don't. And is that her code for the fact that Gogean took few risks and got the gold?
lostlyrarose 2 years ago
That's not Elfie commentating, it's Kathy Johnson. She won bronze on beam at the 1984 Olympics. I think she was putting it nicely that Gina Gogean was whoring out the code of points and doing the bare minimum to get a ten SV.
markedexclusive 2 years ago 2
@markedexclusive yes, you are right. sometimes they sound the same to me... it was just amazing that there was a way to get a 10 value, and do so little tumbling. I mean, her leaps were nice, but jeez... I do like this code better, but i wish they did 2 scores out of 5.00, so it could add up to 10.0.
lostlyrarose 1 year ago
@lostlyrarose kathy johnson's commentating
she has a olympic bronze medal. On the beam.
bbhouk1 1 year ago
I must say however that her leaps and dismount are very nice tho. The one complement I can give this routine.
krell88 2 years ago
Routines like this actually make me favor the new scoring system in gymnastisc. NO WAY she would have beaten KUI with the new scoring system.
krell88 2 years ago 6
how was this routine even worth a 10.0 even by 1997 code of points? if i am not mistaken, this routine was basically the same exact routine she did at the 96 olympics, and even then it was the bare minimum.
agators212 2 years ago
I believe Gina will never let someone mention about KUI Yuan Yuan round her, as we all know the reason.
richiefaye 2 years ago 4
um, nice routine, but gold medal over kui yuanyuan? gogean barely had any tumbles or acrobatic series -___-
babylishee 2 years ago 3
the was bar none the most lamest beam routine that i've ever seen--it really shames the romanian beam legacy. so not deserving of the gold
rank101 2 years ago 5
Well put about this routine putting the Romanian legacy to shame. This routine is not even in the same universe as Comaneci, Szabo, Agache, Silivas, Dobre, Potorac. It's a visible step DOWN from her forebears.
faeryquene 2 years ago 3
Nothing against Gina but WOW, this routine actually make Zou Kai HB victory look good.
zhongru 2 years ago 3
I have nothing but love for Gogean but....*YAWN!!*
Anthonyb2644 2 years ago 4
Gina is no doubt one of the greats, but for this routine to win over KYY's will never cease to be insane to me. One of the most ridiculous results courtesy of the old code!
faithakiyama 2 years ago 5
I have no clue how Gogean won the gold. As stated, she had a very obvious form break on her mount. Khorkina's routine was far superior. But, as many of you stated - I believe Kui should have won as well. Innovation and difficulty always should be factored in a routine. Kui had a much more difficult, artistic, and exciting routine.
pappysprite 2 years ago
Really don't like it.
fcavalheiro 2 years ago
I counted 3 breaks in this routine. How this scored a 9.8 I will never know! Kui was ROBBED
yngtxtopbear 2 years ago 3
no offence to Gina, but it is a shame Kui did not win!!
liweiwei2008 2 years ago 5
Was that a straight jump? This beam final makes me like the new code a whole lot more...
missjpace 2 years ago
no offense to Gina but her routine is so boring compared to Kui.
Kevinsf 2 years ago 8
That's Romania to you...
pinkmochaxx 2 years ago
What do you mean by this comment??? Sure I agree this routine by Gina was boring and dull but that does not mean the Romanians routines on beam are all dull and boring... I don't consider Silivas, Dobre, Comaneci, Potorac, Marinescu, Ponor and Porgras work on BB boring. Perhaps you just meant this quad of gymnasts (Gogean,Milo,Amanar) are boring on beam. But clearly, this is NOT a typical romanian beam routine because they are LEGENDS on beam.
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i guess this is why we have the code of points we do now..so that gymnasts like gina gogean don't win over gymnasts like kui yuan yuan.
rileywatts 2 years ago 35
@rileywatts I mean, I'd have loved Kui to take the gold over Gina but, come on, the new code helps?!?
ShawnVikaKomova2012 10 months ago
it isn't really Ginas fault Kui lost. It was the fault of the judges. Though Gina had a stuck dismount i think the judges should have recognized that Kui had a much more difficult routine.
Yangyun4ever 2 years ago 2
We should know who were the judges who gave "this" the gold medal,instead of Kui Yuanyan,
put them on beam and throw them some tomatoes.
iaswnath 2 years ago 51
I think the judges probably have no courage to show themselves now, or was they?
If this really happens I am going to bring a basketful of tomatoes there, enjoy the vegetable war!
Oops, I don't meant to waste food.
Hasoginy 2 years ago
"this" is a routine out of 10.000 under the cop back then and was performed very clearly. do not blame gina. blame the code or the ones who made it up
alexatornrose 2 years ago
@iaswnath
I was thinking of something a bit more violent but ok, that works too i guess
iwinyoulose101 1 year ago
@iaswnath
Disagree. If anyone deserved the gold it was Korkina who was much cleaner than Kui. Kui had a big skill but it wasn't clean.
russiafan 1 year ago
Kui Yuanyuan should have won!! her routine was so much more diffucult an d precise!!
animalgrlz257 2 years ago 5
Kui wazzzzz roooooobbed!
espinaca79 2 years ago 3
Gina Gogean is a robber on beam
Summonearth 2 years ago 2
0:53
What a leap!
airad2 2 years ago 3
lol
sqekcx 2 years ago
But she did. As a reward for the russian delegation, the judges have decided to giuve Sveta the AA title!
cryssbest 2 years ago
yeahm qui or tezta shouldve had gold.
gena wa s agreat gymnast, but she really does have more gold medals in world competition then she should have.
TwisterFlipp95 2 years ago
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Khorkina should ve won gold .
sochisochi 2 years ago
this really was not an example of a winning routine. I suppose the dismount combination doubled as her major tumbling series. but nothing that stood out as an expemplary. She hit all of her elements and covered all the bases, but was not a remarkable routine and did not deserve the score.
rank101 2 years ago 3
gold medal with just a front tuck! what an honor~
tzhang2 2 years ago 3
Compared to Kui, Gina looks like she's walking up there-between bunny hops.
audie83 2 years ago 9
That's the thing with the old scoring system - they're all worth a 10.0. And if you just go by deductions- it's hard to find deductions with Gogean's type of gymnastics. You don't get rewarded with extra difficulty. I think they should also reward now for artistry somehow.
spartyutube 2 years ago
did she win gold? oh my gosh! kui yuan yuan is way better than her. more elegant, more difficult.
youcleverguy 3 years ago
The funny thing is that in 1998 Khorkhina felt (same routine) and Kui was so close to follow Khorkhina`s mistake.
cryssbest 2 years ago
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!
this won the gold over the chinese girl. noooooo fffing way! what did she do besides front tuck and dismount. this is seriously messed up.
lepetitpoulet 3 years ago 4
Zzzzzz
lokienvy 3 years ago 2
Kui Yuan Yuan totally should have won gold, with Gogean in Second and Khorkina in third. everytime this girl makes a final she wins. the judges always favor her. its not FAIR!!!!! *throws temper tantrum* lol
iLoveMyiPod2008 3 years ago 5
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well kui had 2 balance checks; gogean had 1; khorkina had 0
if anything the results should have been
1. khorkina
2. gogean
3. kui
I know kui yuyuan had a much more difficult and spectacular set than the other girls in the final, but the old code did not reward difficulty with its 10.0 ceiling.
It was NOT the judges error - they were merely applying the rules of the code. It was the code's error, if anything
gymnast08ia 3 years ago
It WAS the judge's error. After the competition, the president of the FIG actually chastised the judges and told them they were wrong. It was common during this time to award gymnasts for increased difficulty. Most of the perfect 10 routines had tiny errors, but were so amazing because of the difficulty, grace, and precision that the judges overlooked them. Besides, judges do not merely score, they rank. And Kui clearly had a better routine than Gogean.
QueenieQue 2 years ago 6
i didn't see any balance cheeks in Kui's routine. except for the little hop forward on the dismount, which is considered a minor mistake in finals, her r0utine was nearly perfect. the judges unfairly judged this. they even had the nerve to apologize after the competition without rejudging the routines or giving their rightful medals or ANYTHING. the nintyseven worlds was almost as fucked up as the 2000 sydney olympic games.
iLoveMyiPod2008 2 years ago 6
I don't think they should take the gold medal from gogean and give it to the right one though. imagine you were gogean and someone gave u the gold and then took it off from u! how embarassing that would be
sqekcx 2 years ago
no..they shouldnt do that. what is done cannot be reversed! =[[[[
iLoveMyiPod2008 2 years ago
Like Andreea Raducan, in 2000?
cryssbest 2 years ago
And gold medal goes to FRONT TUCK! =D
produnov 3 years ago 3
I like her split jumps. But I wasn't all that impressed.
VaveAma92 3 years ago
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I hate this girl, she should be erased from the history books.Every time this girl was present in a final, a more talented gymnast was robbed.
tinks1mommy 3 years ago
I agree!
Summonearth 2 years ago
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I hate her jumps,a lot of jumps!!!
wenmili 3 years ago
WORD!
divnast7 3 years ago
This routine is good in places, but it's not a EF gold IMHO, particularly when you weigh it up against Kui's!
The leap series are nice, and one of the change split leaps is beautifully stretched, but other than that and the stuck dismount there's not enough firepower (or artistry) here.
But if you really want to complain about dodgy judging, watch a major rhythmic comp. Sheesh!
Peaceplatform 3 years ago
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You are correct! This is not even a bronze routine.
tinks1mommy 3 years ago
I like Gogean's form and lines, but it seemed like she never cared to go for any sort of extremely difficult moves. I honestly don't think she should have won any medal, just like Atlanta.
saltlakecity2002 3 years ago
Though I think Kui should have won and it's ridiculously obvious, I do like her under-the-beam work. Did she even do any aerials in this routine? All I saw were about a thousand jumps.
briaberger 3 years ago
i love kui yuanyuan's, this routine is so so easy though she done very well.
alliangzhang 3 years ago
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this routine is the more easy
jepsst 3 years ago
This whole event final was a sick joke. I mean WTF? Some of you don't get the big picture here when you make comments like "Gina did what she had to do to win." She did do what it takes to win but she did it by playing it safe. This routine was an embarrassment to all the beam legends all over the world from the past to the present. Everyone know's Kui's routine was the most difficult, versatile and artistic at this competition.
mzmissa 3 years ago 3
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Jesus she's like that girl in the Secret Garden, she never learned how to smile. I would have smiled after that routine if that was me.
saltlakecity2002 3 years ago
Well, this is not a beauty contest.
cryssbest 3 years ago
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That's why I dislike the Romanions, they get overscored too many times. For example, Stelinana Nistor, she has so many form breaks in her 2007 Beam routine and yet she still got a good score, samething for her bar routine. The Romanions are too much liked.
Summonearth 3 years ago
Well atleast Gina, as incredibly boring as she was, had good form and execution, and decent dance (for a Romanian). Nistor doesnt have any of those things.
muffycat26 3 years ago
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Oh please,she had just as many bobbles as kui who only had around two or so.The judges were all crap and even had the nerve to apologise after the whole meet.Absolute bullshit.
madelgirl 3 years ago
Well, don't take it out on Gina. I completely agree--her routine was MUCH easier, and Kui definitely should have won, but it's not the girls' fault. The judges are the ones who are at fault. And Gina does have excellent extension and form, whether you like her or not.
QueenieQue 3 years ago 7
Silivas, Dobre, Szabo, Agache-indeed all the Romanians of the 1980's trained by Goreac and Bitang-deserved their scores and medals in that era-they had beautiful dance, choreo, and gorgeous technique on most of their elements.
audie83 3 years ago 4
Overscored was Khorkhina, if u really want an example! Romanians were overscored just in your mind!
cryssbest 3 years ago 3
gina rocks
jpalmettoguy 3 years ago 4
I would have had Khorkhina off podium.
cryssbest 3 years ago
code whore
all4uanew 3 years ago 2
wt the fuck.....this won gold ???? then why the fuck did kui yuanyuan have to do all those crazy moves?
yiudiumui 3 years ago 2
its not her fault, it was the system
okhan001 3 years ago 11
I saw that fall(1994). Gina Gogean was very brave because she had plenty force inside of her to continue. She managed with that trouble! This is the difference between her and the overscored Khorkhina. Last mentioned would cry, screaming like hell and four years after she would do the same ugly fall. Gina won a GOLD medal instead! "one freakin` salto", said one of you. She had THE NERVE to do that "salto"! Many gymnasts would retire after an unfortunate incident like Gina`s.
cryssbest 3 years ago
GOD this routine made me sick......she was a gymnast who was very overscored during this competition. She didn't deserve it no matter HOW long she was a gymnast and how many falls she had on the beam....OR because of her reputation. What a JOKE this scoring was.
StyaLize79 3 years ago
Or because of her reputation ... Are u naive or what?! Khorkhina was (over)scored by her reputation!
cryssbest 3 years ago 2
Um...I am NOT naive. I was making a comment about Gina Gogean, not Khorkina---who despite getting some scores that are bigger because of reputation she still shows amazing stuff.
StyaLize79 3 years ago
This routine should have scored no greater than around a 9.4, even with a 10.0 SV. She should have incurred several compositional and form deductions for split legs, less than perfect toe point, awkward dance, long pauses before elements, and general lack of amplitude. One of the most overscored gymnasts in gymnastics history. Now I'll go watch that clip from 1994 Worlds where she hits her head on the beam after her layout...
mcamacho1 3 years ago 4
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One of the most overscored gymnasts in gymnastics history - That was Khorkhina, not Gogean! U make me laugh ... "Now I'll go watch that clip from 1994 Worlds where she hits her head on the beam after her layout..." - U said Well, in that case I`ll go watch Khorkhina`s beam routine from "International France", were she "gracious" falls!
France
cryssbest 3 years ago
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LOL, your commenting on here is a joke. No one is even caring about Khorkina here. You are too blinded by your Gina love and Khorkina hate to realize 95% of the people here think she didn't deserve this title.
P.S. I think you mean "where she 'graciously' falls"
KarenLovesGymnastics 3 years ago
All things said about Gogean you cant deny she is made for the sport mentally, perhaps not as risky and flairy and exciting as others, but so so calm and controlled and collected, she never looks rattled. She did what was required, you cant argue with that, if reward had been given for more expression, whos to say she wouldnt have produced it?
tomsk14 3 years ago
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this routine makes me want to puke. How did this routine have a 10 start value. Ive seen more difficult routines in the 70s. And look at the mount there is just as much of a bobble there as there is from kui on the layout series. She trys to trick the judges by walking out of it, but its clearly there.
matthewxcountry 3 years ago
A true champ acts like a true champ. For instance: he/she never acts in an unappropriate way (like Khorkhina did in 2000 at Sydney, spreading bad rumours about another gymnast(Raducan in her case). A true champ must be prepare to anticipate a disaster, so that when its comes, to overtake that. A true champ is different by other people not BECAUSE "she is Khorkhina" but because the way she manage troubles! THAT makes the difference. The Attitude!
cryssbest 3 years ago 3
Bravo....
tomsk14 3 years ago
Amen!
brokenwings4jc 3 years ago
who won these finals? if gina beat kui, they were f'ing insane. even with the bobbles and slight balance checks, no sane person could possibly think gina's routine was even in the same ball park. i'm so glad they changed the scoring to award risk.
atame74 3 years ago 5
Could`ve been worse!
Would you prefer that Gina to have had an awesome routine (like Andreea`s at Sydney) and after that - gold medal taken!!!! Remember Sydney 2000?
cryssbest 2 years ago
They were "fuckin` insane" at Sydney, too ... Because Khorkhina felt on UB, they took Andreea Raduca`s gold medal!
So?
cryssbest 2 years ago