Autonomy, mastery, purpose - excellent idea, but he forgot character. If you give someone with bad character autonomy, mastery, and purpose, you can end up with people like Hitler and Stalin.
One common thing in all these experiments by the likes of MIT and LSE is....all are experiments. Experiments cannot mimic the real world situations! At least not in such complex situations. The candle problem is nowhere near a real world problem. Ask any practitioner incentives do work even in cases where cognitive skills are involved. In real world people are actually capable of working under pressure situations.
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I work at a gaming company, and we use this "rowe" model. We come and leave when we please, we can spend our time there however we feel, and we spend fridays drinking beer, eating pizza and playing video games. They are also the smartest and friendliest bunch of people I've ever worked with. I actually look forward to going to work every day, and feel a sense of accomplishment in my work.
I would like to have a part 2 of this talk, elaborating on these ideas. Giving further examples, and some ideas on practical application. Not everyone works for a software company.
What is truly amazing is that everyone actually believes what he is saying. Anyone who is educated and anyone who has taking a class on statistics knows that statistics lie, though not on purpose. Besides all that mumbo jumbo, let's really look at the presenter, a lawyer? Are you kidding me? A Laywer explaining about behavior? lol!!! Where is the Psychologist?!?
@cobes11... Sir, your opinion has no validity whatsoever. You bring no evidence to the table therefore your statement is falsified and not creditable. Those that followed you up with a "thumbs up" on your statement have lost hope in society and have drinking glasses that are "half empty". Ya dig?!?!
This is a very libertarian idea. i don't know why people are equating this to socialism. the people involves gain freedom to work, but still must get there work done. the ideas are not taken form the hard working and used to benefit the lazy, the successful do enjoy the fruits of there labor. Wise business men will incorporate this style into there operations, save money and unless their competition learns from it they will be beaten.
First, he says, "I'm an American, I don't believe in philosophy." Whether you "believe" in it or not, it rules your life. The philosophy you adopt subconsciously or consciously dictates your values and actions.
The most important question is never asked: WHY did people perform better creatively without a reward incentive? The answer IS philosophy. The word count limitation won't allow me to go further, but if everyone wants a socialist dictatorship, feel free to adopt this idea.
The important distinction here is that monetary reward is still very useful for mechanical tasks. It's just not very useful for creative tasks. And after globalization of our market and the outsourcing of mechanical labor, the latter is really the last place where America can hope to remain competitive against other countries. If anything, this idea promotes the competitive integrity of America. If that isn't a capitalistic idea, then I don't know what is.
@freeway8989 It still evades the philosophical/psychological reason behind the difference in performance when creativity is involved. The whole format of the "experiment" is suspect, scientifically. He sites Widepedia as this great success story over Microsoft, but Wikepedia just spent the last part of 2011 collecting millions in CHARITABLE donations in order to stay alive. This is not a successful business model. Again, youtube's character limit won't allow a proper response.
@tygorton: Wikipedia 'survives' on donations because the owner flat out refuses to allow advertising on the website. If they allowed advertising, WP would be worth a fortune because so many people use the site. Yes, there is a philosophical reason behind Jimmy Wales' business strategy, but the point still stands: the people who do the actual work on WP (write the articles) are average WP users who don't see a cent of those donations. I agree about the char limit, but brevity is the soul of wit.
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Most people know this...but creating an environment vs. saying "do this" and paying the employee is much much harder and requires a much bigger skillset than most managers and CEOs have. You can get the skills needed...but you have to do a lot of intrinsic work yourself...basically meditate your ass off so that you know what emotions are at play for each person
This is the mindset that china has right now productivity increasing while wages remain the same. A desire to be on top. Plain and simple. America had that at one time. Hope we can get a new attitude.
@Majoritis Yes but if productivity increases, then the value of your currency increases and the more you can buy. Because the more supply(productivity) there is relative to demand, the less demand there will be relative to supply. Therefor, the end result in affect would be higher wages because prices would be lower due to more supply.
@Teeteejay000 it would work far better if you eliminate a need for money altogether, by using better methods to produce abundance for all people. then you would have "100% "(intrinsic) time. see zeitgeist moving forward and zeitgeist addendum for a vision on how and why that would work.
@MrIzzyDizzy You are 100% right on, the monetary system was created to enslave. We've created all our own problems. We have the solutions, the only issue is - how to get to a resource based economy from where we are now with minimal bloodshed.
You have 2 identical people who are unemployed and have no savings. Person A is entitled to collect unemployment insurance for up to 3 years, Person B for 2 weeks. So he is saying that 8 out of 9 times Person A will get a job before Person B....
Person A = Americans average unemployment length of 40 weeks.
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Junk science, and completely went off the rocker when he said the study was funded by the FED. You just can't make a philosophical claim based from studies that are narrowly focused on singular tasks. Apply some common sense here people. Lawyers distort facts that are true. Case in point patents. Innovations are kin to profits. This is a case study for socialism, nothing else. No wonder why he performed so bad in law school.
@Craigvr@Craigvr What the hell are you talking about? They provided the test subjects with three different sets of tasks, and carried out the experiment literally around the world, and you call that NARROWLY FOCUSED? And who cares who the study was funded by? They have nothing to do with the ideas being tested in the experiment. This entire video is based on factual, reputable, and testable evidence, yet you say it lacks common sense. And this has nothing to do with socialism you moron...
@Craigvr Case study for socialism? I don't think so. Things like the 'ROWE', Wiki, and Google's working culture are only possible in a free-market environment, not a centralised and bureaucratic. The point he's trying to prove here is perhaps we'll thrive more by making profit a by-product or our intrinsic desires, rather than a direct and mind-norrowing goal.
@JustPhilippeIt Companies make profits the highest goal because it is a indicator of the value they have added beyond their labor and costs. This is the measure of value they have added to society. The more society see's a companies products and services adding to their intrinsic desires, the higher a premium they are willing to pay beyond the cost of bringing that product or service to market. Communism is based on the ideology that profit doesn't exit. Socialism says it's only a by-product.
@Craigvr The goal of the company as a whole is profit - no doubt. The point of this approach is to enhance this goal by giving employees a sense of purpose and autonomy, to take advantage of their intrinsic motivation. Unlike socialism, this approach is all orientated towards the individual. The most successful brands adopt values and identities which go beyond just making profit, and which they project to/attract ppl with. These values are competitive in character too,
@alvisc2002 Yeah, I agree. The milgram experiment is terrifying. What people will do just because the guy in the lab coat tells them to!
Google 'iron law of oligarchy' . Most of us are only too happy to let someone else be in charge (and then bitch about it). Human nature...don't you love it!
yea no shit mr Pink! who would know intrinsic incentives and rewards were better than extrinsic? I'll tell you EVERYONE!!! But it is extremely hard for a company to offer intrinsic rewards or even know WHAT the employees want and also the intrinsic incentives CHANGES over time. imagine a company with 100.000 employees who have different intrinsic drives that changes over time. It has actually more to do with company-employee fit.
so basically hes saying the capatilist system as it stands is not working but we continueing as though it is ,is self destructive.. similar to the occupy wall stret messgae, and a new creative way forward is the challenge we all face together
'there's a missmatch between what science knows and what business does'
could anyone ever believe this, i don't. maybe i'm wrong - i just don't see why the federal reserve would be telling anyone the truth about anything... or excuse me, the corporations that answer to the federal reserve.. aka britan...aka queen bee. what's the agenda?! hmmm.. someone is saving a lot of money in 'dark' of this dis-info. geez, as if anyone who lives and breaths would believe that incentives don't work... we all know about Pavlov.. the deprived rats ..the deprived human studies
@balleand no...not when they're dangling off the end a stick. I've noticed that over the years the carrot keeps getting smaller, and the stick keeps getting bigger. : )
Don't do it because someone pays you, do it because you want to? The more motivated a person is, the more creative they will be? Isn't that why people watch these speeches about motivation? This guy is just rehashing things we already know. The most successful people love their work, obviously. Money is a good incentive for most people, but perhaps more free-time is a better incentive for others, or better benefits. This is nothing new.
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Well, i have been struggling with adhd my whole life and i get barely passing grades yet people tell me that im very bright. How do i adapt this mentality into making schoolwork more fruitful?
@Inrxz Poor kid being a victim of modern society. Let me tell you some things. You are not as smart as people tell you you are. You are not as special as your parents tell you. You are not as unique people tell you. You probably do not have ADHD, but your parents would rather you be diagnosed with a problem than admit that their child is dumb.
@cobes11 Even though your statement is quite immature, you make a good point. I would like to press it even further. Having ADHD is in no way an adequate excuse for not performing well academically. If a person seeks proactive treatment and actually wishes to overcome their ADHD, they can easily do well in school. The problems I see far to often are a) the individual is lying about their mental state as an excuse to be lazy, and b) the individual uses their ADHD as leverage.
@TheRebelOfTyrus My comment was not at all immature. Look at the numbers of kids/teens on SSRIs and medication for ADHD, and compare to 10 years ago. Sure there are legitimate cases, but the hard truth is that it is no longer politically correct to tell an underperforming kid to work harder, or a teen crying due to raging hormones to toughen up.
@TheRebelOfTyrus And also, you missed my point. Kids these days are taught that they are so smart, special, unique that they are entitled to millionaire salaries right out of college. They graduate and learn that in the real world, there is nothing special about them - all that their parents brought them up with is complete BS. The result is a bunch of idiot zombies occupying things.
Perhaps there is another issue? Perhaps the methodology imployed by our education system doesn't lend itself to being effective in all cases. Theres alot of cognitive science research that shows how we learn, and how we're taught often differ.
We learn best when we are enjoying ourselves, when we like who is teaching us, when information is understandable and when we have some autonomy to learn for ourselves.
Wow, yeah thats how it should work. Don't suggest ways he could improve or things he could focus on. Instead, tell him he's stupid and should just stop trying. We need more teachers like you...
@cobes11 "The only way of finding the limits of the possible is by going beyond them into the impossible" -Arthur Clarke. You must live a very sad life to just accept your limits like that. I think everyone is smart and everyone is special. It's important to never lose hope and just accept mediocrity. If he wants good grades and works hard enough, he'll get good grades. END OF STORY.
@MikeyIV First, that quote is just plain stupid. You cannot go beyond the possible, just an idiot trying to be philosophical. Second, I am very happy. I have always seen myself as having the same innate abilities as everyone else, So it is a superior mind and spirit that will bring me to the top of humanity. Objectivity without the BS doctrines that our current society has put into us is frowned upon. I am proud to speak it.
@cobes11 Arthur Clarke is one of the most famous writers of all time lol he's not stupid. Isaac Newton had difficulty in school and was told he would never amount to anything much by his teachers. Albert Einstein was told just to accept his job at the post office. NEVER tell a person he is "not that special" or "dumb." Just because you don't feel very unique or smart doesn't mean you should bring people down to your level.
Functional fixedness is actually a well researched topic in cognitive psychology. And there's plenty of research supporting the motivation theories he alludes to.
What's amusing is his lack of knowledge of law is apparent by his assumption that making a level headed, rational case is > telling a story. Sadly, the story telling is what actually works in court. Your jury of peers are not going to be rational, calculating people, they'll be swayed by emotional, inspirational stories.
That said this is a very interesting talk and his basic points are definitely backed by good science.
@4Zfight I think you raise a very interesting question. You're right about blue-collar manufacturing jobs heading south, but the unskilled service sector jobs will be around for a long time to come (as long as people are cheaper than robots). I suppose bosses will have to play nice when everybody is a 'tech-dude' of some kind.
@4cellar2door0 Almost all jobs require some amount of creativity and/or critical thinking. Read Barbara Ehrenreich's "Nickle and Dimed" for more information. I think Mr Pink's dichotomy of creative/non-creative jobs is too simplistic.
@gyoza007 Uhh, if you're doing a job that doesn't require creativity or critical thinking, you don't NEED anything other than the "good ol' carrot and stick".
That's a retarded analogy anyway, I could make a case that a weekly paycheck itself is a "carrot and stick".
everybody has creativity in them but if the world really were to adopt such a model, im pretty sure such designations will receive brighter carrots and longer sticks!
@gyoza007 No, because of increasing technological employment very soon there will be no 'carrot/stick' jobs left (or very few) so we will all move to this type of motivation. I am curious to see how our society adjusts to this change.
Gyoza007, that's up to you. Why do you put yourself in the blue collar category?
I saw a documentary on ergonomics. A group of engineers who design hand tools went to a factory and talked to the workers. Many of the workers said - Make a curve in these pliers so I don't have to bend my wrist 8 hours a day. The engineers did it! So the pliers bend instead of the worker's wrist.
There are lots of ways to make money. The only person defining you as a worker drone is you. What are you best at?
@gyoza007 I don't think that is true. A smart business would maximize the value of its human capital by using both mechanisms. For example: A group of auto mechanics could be rewarded an extra 100 bucks for perfectly following tire change procedure each week, and they could be allowed eight to ten hours of work time every week to do whatever they want to improve the shop. This allows folks with direct domain expertise to drive efficiency into the business.
hehe well that's a very simple-minded approach to our lives. Our jobs that we participate in don't always define us for who we are; we could devote effort+time to Originating something (tangible or intangible) great and be elite about it (and possibly rich).
The key here is that the compensation has to be squared away before you can start to do this stuff. Is it possible for an employee to ever feel that they have all the compensation (carrots) they want? Or will we always want more.
This reminds me of the Star Track world where it appears there is no money and everyone's needs are managed as the baseline. I would love to live in that society. How can we get from here to there though?
@luigiperso It's a video of less than 20 minutes. And I think I get the point pretty easily. If anything, he is making the point all too forcefully and repeatedly. I am surprised you didn't get it.
He is making a simple point: that the old belief of Carrot and Stick DOES NOT apply to most creative or knowledge oriented tasks that we are involved in today. He has research to back that. What are the motivators then? Please see the video again, and find out. I don't want to steal his thunder.
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Watched the first few minutes, he failed law school and now hes doing TED talks, got the gist of it, lol. Ham it up you faggot. Actually, don't. Shut the fuck up, lol
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TED talks are fucking gay. Drop a firebomb on the next one please to rid the world of a bunch of annoying pseudo-intellectual goobers. Who is Ted, anyway? I bet hes a fucking faggot, lol.
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lots of society now,the education system is fucking robotic... the human factor is greatly neglected,and everything becomes a mechanical shit... and that is self destructing society and now new discoveries shown that living mechanically and have mechanical expectations despite we think are not are causing more harm than good.. most of the part of the brain is not properly optimized, and science and arts are too far separated... limiting our minds and limiting our expectations...
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Autonomy, mastery, purpose - excellent idea, but he forgot character. If you give someone with bad character autonomy, mastery, and purpose, you can end up with people like Hitler and Stalin.
justintree3 5 days ago
Jesus already knew that 2000 years ago (and changed the world ;)
shortLTM 6 days ago
@shortLTM nice fairy story, could do with some robots and lasers though
mikesomething 1 day ago
This guy smacks his lips WAY to much.
kyle2892 1 week ago
Bob Saget lookalike.
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Danm! Made my day!
ImbAHaM 1 week ago
This vid went viral on Amman
donnietodd89 1 week ago
Smart guy
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yummygrapefruity 1 week ago
When this is applied by the businesses of war, they will go bankrupt.
HealthyPlanet 1 week ago
AWESOME!
otbikesurf 1 week ago
THIS IS AN AWESOME VIDEO !!!!! AWWWWWESOOOME.. the presenter delivers it really well.
This model that he discusses is what we know in our hearts to be true already.
This model has been in use in Sweden for a long time.. and i love sweden, what an awesome place.
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One common thing in all these experiments by the likes of MIT and LSE is....all are experiments. Experiments cannot mimic the real world situations! At least not in such complex situations. The candle problem is nowhere near a real world problem. Ask any practitioner incentives do work even in cases where cognitive skills are involved. In real world people are actually capable of working under pressure situations.
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lightandbeautiful 1 week ago
I work at a gaming company, and we use this "rowe" model. We come and leave when we please, we can spend our time there however we feel, and we spend fridays drinking beer, eating pizza and playing video games. They are also the smartest and friendliest bunch of people I've ever worked with. I actually look forward to going to work every day, and feel a sense of accomplishment in my work.
dc7407 2 weeks ago
@dc7407 ooo great! how nice for you!
might not work so well in the hospital where I work though...
InParticularNobody 1 week ago
where can i find more on this topic?
BreathingHeartEmpire 2 weeks ago
@BreathingHeartEmpire read his book: Drive.
nechitagabrieldotro 2 weeks ago
I would like to have a part 2 of this talk, elaborating on these ideas. Giving further examples, and some ideas on practical application. Not everyone works for a software company.
TheDavidisnumber1 2 weeks ago
How do you spell that "incenivising"?
dzidzelis 2 weeks ago
he looks like bob saget
TheBllentz 2 weeks ago
Anyone know which TED talk had the neurologist that talked about altering decisions with magnetic fields?
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Free markets for the win!
Silverlin212 2 weeks ago
What is truly amazing is that everyone actually believes what he is saying. Anyone who is educated and anyone who has taking a class on statistics knows that statistics lie, though not on purpose. Besides all that mumbo jumbo, let's really look at the presenter, a lawyer? Are you kidding me? A Laywer explaining about behavior? lol!!! Where is the Psychologist?!?
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AGreyWarden 2 weeks ago
this guy looks like the brother in law in Weeds
Dulee100 3 weeks ago
@cobes11... Sir, your opinion has no validity whatsoever. You bring no evidence to the table therefore your statement is falsified and not creditable. Those that followed you up with a "thumbs up" on your statement have lost hope in society and have drinking glasses that are "half empty". Ya dig?!?!
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justarandomguy8989 3 weeks ago
This is a very libertarian idea. i don't know why people are equating this to socialism. the people involves gain freedom to work, but still must get there work done. the ideas are not taken form the hard working and used to benefit the lazy, the successful do enjoy the fruits of there labor. Wise business men will incorporate this style into there operations, save money and unless their competition learns from it they will be beaten.
QSReed 3 weeks ago
@QSReed maybe instead of saying idiotic things like these, you can use your time on the internet to take some grammar lessons.
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suck it b. f. Skinner!
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lusterwings 4 weeks ago
Flawed.
First, he says, "I'm an American, I don't believe in philosophy." Whether you "believe" in it or not, it rules your life. The philosophy you adopt subconsciously or consciously dictates your values and actions.
The most important question is never asked: WHY did people perform better creatively without a reward incentive? The answer IS philosophy. The word count limitation won't allow me to go further, but if everyone wants a socialist dictatorship, feel free to adopt this idea.
tygorton 1 month ago
@tygorton:
The important distinction here is that monetary reward is still very useful for mechanical tasks. It's just not very useful for creative tasks. And after globalization of our market and the outsourcing of mechanical labor, the latter is really the last place where America can hope to remain competitive against other countries. If anything, this idea promotes the competitive integrity of America. If that isn't a capitalistic idea, then I don't know what is.
freeway8989 3 weeks ago
@freeway8989 It still evades the philosophical/psychological reason behind the difference in performance when creativity is involved. The whole format of the "experiment" is suspect, scientifically. He sites Widepedia as this great success story over Microsoft, but Wikepedia just spent the last part of 2011 collecting millions in CHARITABLE donations in order to stay alive. This is not a successful business model. Again, youtube's character limit won't allow a proper response.
tygorton 3 weeks ago
@tygorton: Wikipedia 'survives' on donations because the owner flat out refuses to allow advertising on the website. If they allowed advertising, WP would be worth a fortune because so many people use the site. Yes, there is a philosophical reason behind Jimmy Wales' business strategy, but the point still stands: the people who do the actual work on WP (write the articles) are average WP users who don't see a cent of those donations. I agree about the char limit, but brevity is the soul of wit.
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Most people know this...but creating an environment vs. saying "do this" and paying the employee is much much harder and requires a much bigger skillset than most managers and CEOs have. You can get the skills needed...but you have to do a lot of intrinsic work yourself...basically meditate your ass off so that you know what emotions are at play for each person
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Great speaker!
posiblub 1 month ago
This is the mindset that china has right now productivity increasing while wages remain the same. A desire to be on top. Plain and simple. America had that at one time. Hope we can get a new attitude.
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@Majoritis Yes but if productivity increases, then the value of your currency increases and the more you can buy. Because the more supply(productivity) there is relative to demand, the less demand there will be relative to supply. Therefor, the end result in affect would be higher wages because prices would be lower due to more supply.
ptevans01 1 week ago
Also relate this to "Build a Tower, Build a Team" marshmallow challenge - found the same results.
hautepower 1 month ago
amen.
hautepower 1 month ago
Fantastic! Let science rule!
silvercoin1111 1 month ago
Hmm, will it work if a company offers reward, and intrinsic motivation?
Teeteejay000 1 month ago
@Teeteejay000 it would work far better if you eliminate a need for money altogether, by using better methods to produce abundance for all people. then you would have "100% "(intrinsic) time. see zeitgeist moving forward and zeitgeist addendum for a vision on how and why that would work.
MrIzzyDizzy 1 month ago
@MrIzzyDizzy You are 100% right on, the monetary system was created to enslave. We've created all our own problems. We have the solutions, the only issue is - how to get to a resource based economy from where we are now with minimal bloodshed.
mdostay 1 month ago
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MuffinManJellyBean 1 month ago
big mistake saying the thing about Australians and beer lol
candystickdonut 1 month ago
I hope we see incentives evolve from cash, to the very things we wish to do
36squared 1 month ago
This. A thousand times this.
mathematicscore 1 month ago
"Higher incentives lead to worse performance" ... very accurate and that goes not only for monetary rewards.
meatfactory 1 month ago
You have 2 identical people who are unemployed and have no savings. Person A is entitled to collect unemployment insurance for up to 3 years, Person B for 2 weeks. So he is saying that 8 out of 9 times Person A will get a job before Person B....
Person A = Americans average unemployment length of 40 weeks.
Person B = illegal aliens average unemployment length of 2 weeks.
cobes11 1 month ago
Just think for a second...
Could you imagine if one of our Presidents had come out and made SOTU address like this?
Listen...
golpherbroke 2 months ago
Looks like Andy Botwin from Weeds about 10 years from now.
MAKrakower 2 months ago
Junk science, and completely went off the rocker when he said the study was funded by the FED. You just can't make a philosophical claim based from studies that are narrowly focused on singular tasks. Apply some common sense here people. Lawyers distort facts that are true. Case in point patents. Innovations are kin to profits. This is a case study for socialism, nothing else. No wonder why he performed so bad in law school.
Craigvr 2 months ago
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MidnightSnak 2 months ago
@Craigvr @Craigvr What the hell are you talking about? They provided the test subjects with three different sets of tasks, and carried out the experiment literally around the world, and you call that NARROWLY FOCUSED? And who cares who the study was funded by? They have nothing to do with the ideas being tested in the experiment. This entire video is based on factual, reputable, and testable evidence, yet you say it lacks common sense. And this has nothing to do with socialism you moron...
MidnightSnak 2 months ago 2
@Craigvr Case study for socialism? I don't think so. Things like the 'ROWE', Wiki, and Google's working culture are only possible in a free-market environment, not a centralised and bureaucratic. The point he's trying to prove here is perhaps we'll thrive more by making profit a by-product or our intrinsic desires, rather than a direct and mind-norrowing goal.
JustPhilippeIt 1 month ago
@JustPhilippeIt Companies make profits the highest goal because it is a indicator of the value they have added beyond their labor and costs. This is the measure of value they have added to society. The more society see's a companies products and services adding to their intrinsic desires, the higher a premium they are willing to pay beyond the cost of bringing that product or service to market. Communism is based on the ideology that profit doesn't exit. Socialism says it's only a by-product.
Craigvr 1 month ago
@Craigvr The goal of the company as a whole is profit - no doubt. The point of this approach is to enhance this goal by giving employees a sense of purpose and autonomy, to take advantage of their intrinsic motivation. Unlike socialism, this approach is all orientated towards the individual. The most successful brands adopt values and identities which go beyond just making profit, and which they project to/attract ppl with. These values are competitive in character too,
JustPhilippeIt 1 month ago
@JustPhilippeIt as Apple or Google are all about reaching the top of the world, and being better than the other company down the road
JustPhilippeIt 1 month ago
moment of clarity here: monetary incentives=grades in school.
ineffective.
narutosramenbuddy 2 months ago
@alvisc2002 Yeah, I agree. The milgram experiment is terrifying. What people will do just because the guy in the lab coat tells them to!
Google 'iron law of oligarchy' . Most of us are only too happy to let someone else be in charge (and then bitch about it). Human nature...don't you love it!
gyoza007 2 months ago
great message . thank you for posting
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MODVLAD1 2 months ago
yea no shit mr Pink! who would know intrinsic incentives and rewards were better than extrinsic? I'll tell you EVERYONE!!! But it is extremely hard for a company to offer intrinsic rewards or even know WHAT the employees want and also the intrinsic incentives CHANGES over time. imagine a company with 100.000 employees who have different intrinsic drives that changes over time. It has actually more to do with company-employee fit.
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FrenchRuby 2 months ago
so basically hes saying the capatilist system as it stands is not working but we continueing as though it is ,is self destructive.. similar to the occupy wall stret messgae, and a new creative way forward is the challenge we all face together
'there's a missmatch between what science knows and what business does'
subbtopp 2 months ago
Great presentation on motivation.
KruseAuthor 2 months ago in playlist dan pink
could anyone ever believe this, i don't. maybe i'm wrong - i just don't see why the federal reserve would be telling anyone the truth about anything... or excuse me, the corporations that answer to the federal reserve.. aka britan...aka queen bee. what's the agenda?! hmmm.. someone is saving a lot of money in 'dark' of this dis-info. geez, as if anyone who lives and breaths would believe that incentives don't work... we all know about Pavlov.. the deprived rats ..the deprived human studies
kutekerri 2 months ago
I couldn't get to listen to the end because, you know, i was already DEAF you shouter!
AHReyesG 2 months ago
The microphones are wayyyy to clear when I can hear the sounds of his spit moving in his mouth.
1redism 2 months ago 54
@1redism After your comment all I can focus on is that aspect of the video!!!
BTRFitness 2 months ago
@1redism that's good dude..
beatlifetwice 2 months ago
@1redism Not the quality of the microphone, shittiness of the sound technician. His gain is too high
CanadianKlingon 2 months ago
@1redism lol
tomkingsbridge 1 month ago
@1redism why are you complaining?
sddraguta 1 month ago
@1redism actually, wayyyyy to hard, that's why he echos
Mythe66 1 month ago
@1redism Thank you for pointing that out, now I can't focus on anything he says.
kozmy21 3 weeks ago
roses are brown
violets are brown
whos been shitting in my garden?
crossbow500 2 months ago
I agree with the money and motivation, the only thing that drives somebody is their love for what they do, not the money.
SuperOriginalGuy 3 months ago
@balleand no...not when they're dangling off the end a stick. I've noticed that over the years the carrot keeps getting smaller, and the stick keeps getting bigger. : )
gyoza007 3 months ago
Don't do it because someone pays you, do it because you want to? The more motivated a person is, the more creative they will be? Isn't that why people watch these speeches about motivation? This guy is just rehashing things we already know. The most successful people love their work, obviously. Money is a good incentive for most people, but perhaps more free-time is a better incentive for others, or better benefits. This is nothing new.
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lightandbeautiful 3 months ago
Bravo!!
nimox57 3 months ago
Great video, this type of research has significant implications for our education system.
mccheeseburger01 3 months ago
That candle in the illustration he uses (1:51)....it doesn't look right.
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WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU REMOVE MONEY
dman1171 3 months ago
I really enjoyed this, but I just accidentally pushed the "dislike" button. I'm sorry,... it was really good though. So subtract one from the dislike.
LadyBug3314 3 months ago
maybe my brain just works different but mounting the box to the wall was my first thought
kris6682 3 months ago
Well, i have been struggling with adhd my whole life and i get barely passing grades yet people tell me that im very bright. How do i adapt this mentality into making schoolwork more fruitful?
Inrxz 3 months ago
@Inrxz Get an ADD coach, medication, or biofeedback training. They really help
MadPutz 3 months ago
@Inrxz Poor kid being a victim of modern society. Let me tell you some things. You are not as smart as people tell you you are. You are not as special as your parents tell you. You are not as unique people tell you. You probably do not have ADHD, but your parents would rather you be diagnosed with a problem than admit that their child is dumb.
cobes11 1 month ago 32
@cobes11 You created a hypothetical character.
Inrxz 1 month ago
@cobes11 you had a good point until you suggested some children are dumb, no child is dumb, get that straight in your head
REYZRBLEYD 3 weeks ago
@REYZRBLEYD "dumb" is kind of a demeaning word, but would you agree that some people aren't as intelligent as others?
rewazilol 1 week ago
@cobes11 Even though your statement is quite immature, you make a good point. I would like to press it even further. Having ADHD is in no way an adequate excuse for not performing well academically. If a person seeks proactive treatment and actually wishes to overcome their ADHD, they can easily do well in school. The problems I see far to often are a) the individual is lying about their mental state as an excuse to be lazy, and b) the individual uses their ADHD as leverage.
TheRebelOfTyrus 2 weeks ago
@TheRebelOfTyrus My comment was not at all immature. Look at the numbers of kids/teens on SSRIs and medication for ADHD, and compare to 10 years ago. Sure there are legitimate cases, but the hard truth is that it is no longer politically correct to tell an underperforming kid to work harder, or a teen crying due to raging hormones to toughen up.
cobes11 2 weeks ago
@TheRebelOfTyrus And also, you missed my point. Kids these days are taught that they are so smart, special, unique that they are entitled to millionaire salaries right out of college. They graduate and learn that in the real world, there is nothing special about them - all that their parents brought them up with is complete BS. The result is a bunch of idiot zombies occupying things.
cobes11 2 weeks ago
@TheRebelOfTyrus
Perhaps there is another issue? Perhaps the methodology imployed by our education system doesn't lend itself to being effective in all cases. Theres alot of cognitive science research that shows how we learn, and how we're taught often differ.
We learn best when we are enjoying ourselves, when we like who is teaching us, when information is understandable and when we have some autonomy to learn for ourselves.
You don't get that in highschool too often.
Grysham 2 weeks ago
@cobes11
Wow, yeah thats how it should work. Don't suggest ways he could improve or things he could focus on. Instead, tell him he's stupid and should just stop trying. We need more teachers like you...
Grysham 2 weeks ago
@cobes11 "The only way of finding the limits of the possible is by going beyond them into the impossible" -Arthur Clarke. You must live a very sad life to just accept your limits like that. I think everyone is smart and everyone is special. It's important to never lose hope and just accept mediocrity. If he wants good grades and works hard enough, he'll get good grades. END OF STORY.
MikeyIV 6 days ago
@MikeyIV First, that quote is just plain stupid. You cannot go beyond the possible, just an idiot trying to be philosophical. Second, I am very happy. I have always seen myself as having the same innate abilities as everyone else, So it is a superior mind and spirit that will bring me to the top of humanity. Objectivity without the BS doctrines that our current society has put into us is frowned upon. I am proud to speak it.
cobes11 6 days ago
@cobes11 Arthur Clarke is one of the most famous writers of all time lol he's not stupid. Isaac Newton had difficulty in school and was told he would never amount to anything much by his teachers. Albert Einstein was told just to accept his job at the post office. NEVER tell a person he is "not that special" or "dumb." Just because you don't feel very unique or smart doesn't mean you should bring people down to your level.
MikeyIV 6 days ago
@cobes11 You sound bitter and arrogant.
mooniusss 6 days ago in playlist Top 10 Most Viewed TEDTalks
THERE IS NO CANDLE. THE TABLE IS AN ILLUSION.
ApocDevTeam 3 months ago
Candle problem? Build whatever and move the desk. That's the one fulcrum of the issue.
Move the desk, all the other stuff is just fluff...problem solved. You placed the rules, it doesn't mean business is fair.
Notice he didn't give HIS answer to the problem, but rather give ideas.
Move the table! No candle will drip on it, and that's the problem we're faced with to begin with...the table.
Chumly409 3 months ago
@Chumly409 i was thinking to put the candle in the box rather than move the entire table.
eugmaster 3 months ago
@Chumly409 if you move the table you would still have to mount the box to the wall or where else are you going to place the candle
kris6682 3 months ago
This guy reminds me of Andy from Weeds. Anyone else getting that?
vagine26 3 months ago
Intrinsic motivation: desire to do things that matter, because we like it and they are interesting.
1) autonomy
2) mastery
3) purpose
Management is great if you want compliance. If you want engagement, self-direction (leadership) works better. (13:20)
debrabradley 3 months ago
Intrinsic motivation: desire to do things that matter, because we like it and they are interesting.
1) autonomy
2) mastery
3) purpose
debrabradley 3 months ago
@tr1tan You're assuming an awful lot, aren't you? How do you know that "us" I put in my post wasn't just a rhetorical device?
gyoza007 3 months ago
rediculous! Typical progressive over - analyzing of a subject to the point of being meaningless.
marthasrabbs 3 months ago
@marthasrabbs carrot chaser :)
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brodete 3 months ago
Eloquent well spoken well researched edutainment
The rest of us still have bills to pay.
Being a succes speaker is the best job it takes a certain type of person but you always have customers.
The only thing I would ask these speakers/writers is what would they do if they were not getting paid for any book or speaking engagement.
guitar1050 3 months ago
@guitar1050 He's not a good speaker though.
zoetvanham 3 months ago
This is more proof that the monetary system doesn't work
8InchBowlCut 3 months ago
@8InchBowlCut Just semantics: i guess you mean 'monetary incentive system'
Ausermac 3 months ago
Amazingggg
abdothewarlord86 4 months ago
I will change the world with this information
Kancha1907 4 months ago
great edutainment
Teamo86 4 months ago
Functional fixedness is actually a well researched topic in cognitive psychology. And there's plenty of research supporting the motivation theories he alludes to.
So good job, Mr. Pink!
maysek 4 months ago
That candle is distractingly phallic
Brendo613 4 months ago 8
@Brendo613 get ur mind out of the gutter! lol
maysek 4 months ago
What's amusing is his lack of knowledge of law is apparent by his assumption that making a level headed, rational case is > telling a story. Sadly, the story telling is what actually works in court. Your jury of peers are not going to be rational, calculating people, they'll be swayed by emotional, inspirational stories.
That said this is a very interesting talk and his basic points are definitely backed by good science.
Oddhermit 4 months ago
@4Zfight I think you raise a very interesting question. You're right about blue-collar manufacturing jobs heading south, but the unskilled service sector jobs will be around for a long time to come (as long as people are cheaper than robots). I suppose bosses will have to play nice when everybody is a 'tech-dude' of some kind.
gyoza007 4 months ago
@4cellar2door0 Almost all jobs require some amount of creativity and/or critical thinking. Read Barbara Ehrenreich's "Nickle and Dimed" for more information. I think Mr Pink's dichotomy of creative/non-creative jobs is too simplistic.
gyoza007 4 months ago
He's not mentioning that in upper management,
top executives consistently get amazing rewards,
even for embarrassing failures,
while the average workers are killing themselves
just to keep their nose above water
leconfidant 4 months ago
@leconfidant That's pretty much what he's talking about though,
derdriui 4 months ago
@derdriui No he's talking about the workers and middle management.
I'm talking about upper management.
The fact that upper management get overpaid no matter what they do
isn't defensible by either traditional management thinking
or the psychological findings.
In America, CEOs earn about 250 times what an ordinary worker makes,
both during his career and after his retirement,
even if he runs the company into the ground.
leconfidant 4 months ago
Great video, thanks for the upload.
Tallykoren 4 months ago
expiriment
hizokachile 4 months ago in playlist interest
Gee, thanks Mr Pink. I suppose this means us blue-collar, non-creative worker drones are stuck with the good ol' carrot-and-stick .
gyoza007 4 months ago 13
@gyoza007 Uhh, if you're doing a job that doesn't require creativity or critical thinking, you don't NEED anything other than the "good ol' carrot and stick".
That's a retarded analogy anyway, I could make a case that a weekly paycheck itself is a "carrot and stick".
4cellar2door0 4 months ago
@gyoza007
everybody has creativity in them but if the world really were to adopt such a model, im pretty sure such designations will receive brighter carrots and longer sticks!
siamesefish 4 months ago
@gyoza007 No, because of increasing technological employment very soon there will be no 'carrot/stick' jobs left (or very few) so we will all move to this type of motivation. I am curious to see how our society adjusts to this change.
4Zfight 4 months ago
@gyoza007
yeah it's like he's too good for carrots.
BarbarianDragon 4 months ago
@gyoza007 This is news to anybody? :)
profilescythe 3 months ago
@gyoza007 only a moron would take offense at this.
vengencefrom1979 3 months ago
@gyoza007 Uh, yes. That is correct. And it is your fault for choosing that career path.
tr1tan 3 months ago
Gyoza007, that's up to you. Why do you put yourself in the blue collar category?
I saw a documentary on ergonomics. A group of engineers who design hand tools went to a factory and talked to the workers. Many of the workers said - Make a curve in these pliers so I don't have to bend my wrist 8 hours a day. The engineers did it! So the pliers bend instead of the worker's wrist.
There are lots of ways to make money. The only person defining you as a worker drone is you. What are you best at?
AppleSouffle 3 months ago
@gyoza007 you like carrots no?
balleand 3 months ago
@gyoza007 I don't think that is true. A smart business would maximize the value of its human capital by using both mechanisms. For example: A group of auto mechanics could be rewarded an extra 100 bucks for perfectly following tire change procedure each week, and they could be allowed eight to ten hours of work time every week to do whatever they want to improve the shop. This allows folks with direct domain expertise to drive efficiency into the business.
TheAStrowger 3 months ago
@gyoza007 pretty much yeah lol.
but the same applies to most white-collar jobs as well.
you'd be suprised by how non human and robotic most of us really are.
do a search on the asch experiment, the milgram experiment and the stanford prison experiment.
alvisc2002 2 months ago
@gyoza007
hehe well that's a very simple-minded approach to our lives. Our jobs that we participate in don't always define us for who we are; we could devote effort+time to Originating something (tangible or intangible) great and be elite about it (and possibly rich).
XianRaodon 2 months ago
@gyoza007
Shoulda been born with a smarter brain, dumbass.
ajnode 2 months ago
The key here is that the compensation has to be squared away before you can start to do this stuff. Is it possible for an employee to ever feel that they have all the compensation (carrots) they want? Or will we always want more.
This reminds me of the Star Track world where it appears there is no money and everyone's needs are managed as the baseline. I would love to live in that society. How can we get from here to there though?
getSusanMcCall 4 months ago
He said you have to attach the candle to the wall.... the candle is not attached to the wall in the answer.
Whodilish 4 months ago
14 minutes and he still didn't get to the f***ng point
luigiperso 4 months ago
@luigiperso nope.
kratosgranola1 4 months ago
@luigiperso It's a video of less than 20 minutes. And I think I get the point pretty easily. If anything, he is making the point all too forcefully and repeatedly. I am surprised you didn't get it.
He is making a simple point: that the old belief of Carrot and Stick DOES NOT apply to most creative or knowledge oriented tasks that we are involved in today. He has research to back that. What are the motivators then? Please see the video again, and find out. I don't want to steal his thunder.
kalyankkb 4 months ago
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Watched the first few minutes, he failed law school and now hes doing TED talks, got the gist of it, lol. Ham it up you faggot. Actually, don't. Shut the fuck up, lol
version191 4 months ago
@version191 lol get out
Blobthe15 4 months ago
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TED talks are fucking gay. Drop a firebomb on the next one please to rid the world of a bunch of annoying pseudo-intellectual goobers. Who is Ted, anyway? I bet hes a fucking faggot, lol.
version191 4 months ago
it's not a scientific fact. it's has some probalistic evidence, to be precise. but i like the thesis
rafaelwawer 5 months ago
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MrIzzyDizzy 5 months ago
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cakegirl2000 5 months ago
I love rocket science barbie and they call me j lo. I want to go to space. But I'm discriminated against.
JDNuvo 5 months ago
lots of society now,the education system is fucking robotic... the human factor is greatly neglected,and everything becomes a mechanical shit... and that is self destructing society and now new discoveries shown that living mechanically and have mechanical expectations despite we think are not are causing more harm than good.. most of the part of the brain is not properly optimized, and science and arts are too far separated... limiting our minds and limiting our expectations...
knight2battle 5 months ago
Bob Saget is pretty smart.
kylemacmac2 5 months ago 53
@kylemacmac2 I was about to comment on how much I liked Daniel Pink but your comment was so funny I lost my train of thought!!! =)
mospirit 5 months ago
@kylemacmac2 LOL too right! They belong 'side-by-each' on Totally Looks Like.
kntshrm 3 months ago
very interesting indeed
g2thaz 5 months ago
resource based economy...get it???
FranciscoKGuerreiro 5 months ago
TEDx is a local version of TED check this link out:
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mbrownpreconstruct 5 months ago
Bob Sagat,, from dirty stand up to motivation. WTF?
Alomaim 5 months ago
a lot of company r copying ted talks.. its like theirs