Ares Mission to Mars: Voyage (remastered) - Orbiter Space Flight Simulator

[airdriver]

So we have no one to blame for the shutdown of NASA but OURSELVES because we, as Americans, don't seem to want to do that. If the voting public truly want a vibrant, ambitious space program as a national goal then we should let our elected representatives know this.

IF WE DON'T THEN THEY WON'T.

And that would be a COLOSSAL TRAVESTY for the USA

[airdriver]

At some point, a think a movie or mini-series should be made of this novel provided it's done right.

The 2nd thing is that we can always say that this should have been the direction the manned space program should have gone. Its easy to give into that temptation. But the question we should be asking is WHY ISN'T NASA TRYING FOR A RETURN TO THE MOON AND AN EVENTUAL MARS MISSION? Blaming the politicians is easy but remember WE ELECT THEM. So we have no one to blame for the shutdown of NASA.

[airdriver]

I'm going to leave a long comment so bear with me.

First off, thank you for producing and posting this video. I hope Stephen Baxter has seen this video because it is THE BEST graphic simulation of one of his best novels. You literally bought his book to life. I only hope at some point that Baxter revisits this story and focuses his attention on what happens after the landing and goes into greater detail on the flight out and back plus the public reaction to the mission.

[airdriver]

I'm going to leave a long comment so bear with me.

First off, thank you for producing and posting this video. I hope Stephen Baxter has seen this video because it is THE BEST graphic simulation of one of his best novels. You literally bought his book to life. I only hope at some point that Baxter revisits this story and focuses his attention on what happens after the landing and goes into greater detail on the flight out and back plus the public reaction to the mission.

[thekorgboy98]

Orbiter should just stick to spaceships, not people.

[rseferino1]

@thekorgboy98 ???



[thekorgboy98]

@rseferino1 What I mean is, the people in orbiter taking their first steps on Mars don't look that real. But the spaceship looks very realistic.

[icars98]

4:08

WTF AAMM collision with Apollo!?

[TheRealNeill]

Great video!

[kaijuuuu]

This entire video sent shivers up my spine. I LOVED it! Thank you all so much for your work on this project, and for posting it for us all to enjoy!

[dougobermanmusic]

March 30th is my birthday! :D

[kuki5050]

You know, that lander could be called ''Atlantis''. ''Challenger'' was also name of Lunar Module used in Apollo 17 flight.

But its nice film. Thanks a lot.

[superotherguy1]

NEEDS --> MORE LIKES O.O

[YeOldClipper]

Before SHAPE begins to matter in space and space travel, there must be enough gravity generating mass to create the form following function for states of matter and their resistance, wouldn't you agree? Like the stars, planets, moons, asteroids and comets have.

[YeOldClipper]

The last time I checked for 1G, smaller and more efficient was the solution. My mini shuttles only need a small propulsion system to get them the mere 60 miles it is from ground to outer space, there, old buddy.

[superotherguy1]

Thats one wacky Apollo modification =D

[THEORIGINALEXSCAPER]

Terrific video! Very inspiring for what could have been. And a little sad for what wasnt, and apparently never will be.

[launchsquid]

@Smokingfox3 only impossible because of money, this was a nasa plan in 1965 and was only truly cancelled in 1969. nearly happened.

[rurounibattousai]

amazing. A very good work.

[deathrooster14]

A Saturn V with SRBs. :O

[THEORIGINALEXSCAPER]

@deathrooster14 NASA actually was in development before the cancellation of the Saturn program, of a Saturn V Heavy Lift verison which would have used 4 strap-on SC-1 "boosters". Each with 5 F-1 engines, in addition to the 5 on the baseline vehicle. Combined vehicle takeoff thrust, 37.5 million pounds!!! Versus the baseline vehicles 7.5 million pounds of thrust! Unbelievable!

[deathrooster14]

@THEORIGINALEXSCAPER Wow. That's crazy. Did they use the same CSM from the Apollo missions?

[THEORIGINALEXSCAPER]

@deathrooster14

Saturn V-4X(U).

Boeing study, 1968. Four core vehicles from Saturn V-25(S) study lashed together to obtain million-pound payload using existing hardware. First stage consisted of 4 Saturn IC's stretched 498 inches with 6.64 million pounds propellant and 5 F-1 engines; second stage 4 Saturn II standard length stages with 5 J-2 engines.The F-1s were to be uprated to 2 mill lb thrust per. Total, 40 mill lb thrust.Over 1 million pound payloads! (I need a cigarette!) Whew!

[masoaviator]

@THEORIGINALEXSCAPER Well I've heard the Saturn V-4X(U), but I never knew that there would be an F-1 variant that can go up to 2 mill lb! The F-1A was to have a thrust of 1.8 mill lb, and I wondered why they won't let it go up to 2 mill lbs. Can you kindly tell me where did you find this F-1 variant? And a message to the congress: Stop spending on war! Revive the space industry!

[THEORIGINALEXSCAPER]

@masoaviator The F-1went from 1.5 to 1.52 mil lbs thrust and had 1.7 mil lbs(vacuum thrust).F-1Adeveloped 1.8 mil lbs thrust, 2.0 mil lbs(vacuum thrust),more than 30% lighter than the F-1! Each was capable of further development and only ceased due to SatV cancellation.Sources;astronaut­ix, Wikipedia, andNASA's Technical Report Server (NTRS).Check NASA source, search; Advanced Transportation System Studies Technical Area 2 (TA-2) Heavy Lift Launch Vehicle Development Contract.Very cool!

[FiahOwl]

This is just epic.

[wuppie367]

what were the add-ons?

[Tsedenbayar]

May be it was discussed before, but I doubt that it's possible to live the red planet by using such vehicle. I've heard that two or three stage rocket is required to live Mars...

[masoaviator]

Man, that was a big propulsion stack. I wonder how did you haul that up into LEO?

[KentAllard]

@masoaviator

in the book several manned and unmanned Saturn V launches were required to loft the components up, assemble, and fuel

[Shuttheheckup735]

@masoaviator

Probably in 3 pieces, the 2 small ones with 2 soyuz-sized spacecraft, the one in the middle with a Saturn V, or all 3 with the same lifting stack shown here.

[eiverr]

love the video, love how music matches the video, but I can find no way to burn less fuel when I follow the idea of venus transfer compared to direct mars hohmann transfer. Besides hohmann I can be on Mars in 120-150 days. Any benefits of going to Mars via Venus?

[Clone683]

plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz can you give a link to the mod

[Smokingfox3]

You ever think about flying the entire mission while recording, and releasing the playback? I'd love to be able to open this up in Orbiter and watch everything from launch to touchdown while being able to move the camera around and speed/slow time.

(With the sim's steep learning curve, missions like this for me remain as viable as a manned Uzebekistani moonshot)

[Clone683]

can you give a link to the mod?

[vitor6825]

Apollo 11 --'

[superotherguy1]

Hey what are the addons you used? I think I saw Earth Texture Level 10, Another Sun Texture v2. Anything else?

[piplupsingularity]

Hans Zimmer = one of the greatest composers in the world.

[Clarknipolo]

LOL MISSION, W ROBERT ZUBRIN

[jensfridthjof]

There is a need to use ion engines where possible. They provide economical transport, but take time. They could be used for shipping at least the lander, and also fuel + supplies for the return leg of the mission to a Mars parking orbit before the arrival of the crewed ship. It would shave off many, many tons of launch mass.

[superotherguy1]

2:14  What song is this?!?

[superotherguy1]

mw2 xD

[invalidcode765]

how many men rode that spaceship? i first thought of more than three coz it is a very big space ship

[IanRubin2]

@invalidcode765 It takes a hell of a lot of propellant to get to Mars like this. Most of the vehicle is actually fuel tanks with the lander, Apollo (for Earth reentry), and crew mission module sitting above it. Only three people went in the novel due to the fact that there were limits on the amount of consumables you'd need. Four was too much to handle for the length of the voyage.

[SayBinidus]

This is an awesome concept. Problem is it would cost upwards of trillions of dollars, for governments at least, to do it. And they may want a larger habitat unit than that if they're gonna be in it for a year total. Really neat video though!

[launchsquid]

@SayBinidus the hab in this senario would provide more "living space" than the current iss, and people spend months at a time up there. i think you would be able to find many people that would forgo some comfort in exchange for a trip to mars.

[TreetopClanJim]

is the download still available? i cant find it on orbit hangar

[helljumpr5150]

@Dorisequador I bet even the moon landing hoax/alien conspiracy theorists would be ashamed to be in the same room with you.

First off, why would a 'kind, advanced, and intelligent' alien race want to hide themselves from us? Wouldn't they want to let themselves be known to enact some kind of peace rather than prolong our floundering? And secondly, if there was a hostile alien race that could kill us in seconds, why didn't they attack us all earlier whille our tech was more primative?

[helljumpr5150]

@Dorisequador One more word i forgot to mention to describe your message: illiterate. For you seem to need alot of spellchecks in your messages. Did you even go to school?

[Dorisequador]

@helljumpr5150 Well, you can lick my balls.. you little gay fag.. Your so gay that gay people calls you a little fag. hahaha

Can you say dumb as a door nail which you seem to be.. Have you ever seen and alien ship?

Have you seen and heard the facts that Pilots have seen so much even autronots?

[maximkazhenkov11]

@Dorisequador what's autronots?

[Dorisequador]

@maximkazhenkov11 it your mom with a dildo up her ass while she's getting it in the cunt and then she's giving head to the milk man who is your farther search your feeling you know it to be true do you crave milk?

[helljumpr5150]

@Dorisequador I bet even the moon landing hoax/alien conspiracy theorists would be ashamed to be in the same room with you.

First off, why would a 'kind, advanced, and intelligent' alien race want to hide themselves from us? wouldn't they want to let themselves be known to enact some kind of peace rather than prolong our floundering? And secondly, if there was a hostile alien race that could kill us in seconds, why didn't they have attacked us all earlier whille our tech was more primative?

[Fragem420]

I have a good idea. INstead of this very good idea that should have been done already.

Why don't we do the impossible and resurrect project orion. Was the only feasible interstellar design for our current technology. And it does not require going faster than light meaining we won't need to invent a warp drive, neither will we need to punch open a wormhole that could stick us on the other side of the universe or find a why into a sort of hyperspace. At least not yet.

[UndeadPizzaGuy]

@Fragem420 Because the ISS - our most massive spacecraft, weighs 420 metric tons. By comparison - at departure, Orion weighs 4,000 metric tons. Current treaties also prohibit nuclear weapons being detonated in space. There are much more promising propulsion concepts which are being tested now - VASMIR is a good example. Sure - it's not going to be capable of interstellar missions, but it can take you to Mars in only a month, and is ridiculously efficient.

[Fragem420]

you should get this in 1080p

[Zachstar2000]

We could have made it to mars in the 80s. And despite the crippling cost for the time it would be paid back several times over by now.

Breaks your heart to see how far we have fallen.

[DAVIDS378]

Why are they past Venus thats the wrong way

[IanRubin2]

@DAVIDS378 - Gravitational slingshot.You essentially get a massive increase to your speed, cutting down on the amounts of fuel and time you'd need as opposed to a direct Mars flight. A lot of deep space missions use Venus for gravity assists: for example, the Galileo probe went around Venus once and Earth twice before getting to Jupiter.

[dred97]

Congratulations on a great simulation. I keep daydreaming of doing a build up of the ship using a couple of Revell Saturn V models. I like how you used shuttle ETs as the fuel tanks for the Mars ship. Keep up the terrific work!

[SSCFPA]

maximkazhenkov, remember that Apollo was an aberration, in terms of how much was to be spent and how soon, in the novel Voyage the technology is extended to get to Mars.

In the 1950's few thought man would reach the Moon before the 1970's, events intervened to change that.

Maybe the drive to open up manned launches to private operators with NASA help, will be another shift in circumstances, for sure NASA will never have the funds to both service ISS and get an exploration effort going,

[Fragem420]

12k views but lady gaga get a half a billion views. THis is what is wrong with our society.

[SSCFPA]

Very nice, I enjoyed reading the novel when it appeared, even with some dodgy editing and a few too many exact parallels to Apollo incidents.

It could have been done too, though in the novel, what is cut to fund it is just too much, (3 Apollos, no Vikings, no outer planets Grand Tour, no Hubble, no Mariner Venus/Mercury), for a 30 day surface stay on Mars with only Apollo style Rovers for transport.

Plus the effects of having to work on Mars after a year in ZeroG

Still a thought provoking book.

[maximkazhenkov11]

@SSCFPA But now it'll take us till 2085 to get to Mars IF WE'RE LUCKY, and it's likely that the first man on Mars won't be an American (probably Russia/China/EU). We've been making steps backwards since Apollo. THAT has to be changed.

[argebarse]

We should have had people on Mars decades ago.

[railfanatic844]

now this is an idea that would WORK cuz its CHEAP, besides fitting the SIV-B to be a living space/laboratory in space, training on the ISS would fix that

[bishop51807]

It looks like Saturn V on steroids.

[BigLonn]

okay now redesign it for SPACEX using a built up dragon stack , because I think that is how the real one will look.

[jimmytherose68]

notice how when science only vids post the bible thumpers stay away? HOORAY! "they" only amass when talking about e.l.e. or world events.

[Jackie1701]

Beautful job, great music, well researched!

[Jackie1701]

THIS VIDEO WAS AWESOME!

[helljumpr5150]

Voyage. Great premise and a great story, but the characters are assholes.

[mobscenebm]

man nice video... a question: how do you do to calculate the laucnh and trayectory

???

[CrazyBrainDead]

How do you get camera angles such as that ?

[STRYKER1467]

This is the best space fight simulator ever !

[737Pilot122]

That was sick, I hope we actually do that after the government and NASA get their act together

[J4FThunder666]

i`am a DCS A10 Pilot :). 7 Day ago i found Orbiter 2010 and now today i have a stable Orbit around Mother Earth. My Dream is in the next few Month fly to the Moon with Atlantis. But this Sim is very hard to learn without german Tut`s. Someone knows good german Tut´s for changing Orbit and so on ?

This is a amaizing Video !

[Bloodgod40]

Wouldn't they starve to death? The ISS needs assloads of food sent up every 2 or 3 months, and it has much much more room to store it than an Apollo capsule. Not good for a mission lasting a couple years.

[CascadianPatriot]

@Bloodgod40 I think that Baxter wrote in the novel that NASA had developed lightweight freeze-dried food that was very,very compact so that they could store a lot of food in a small space aboard the wet workshop.

[drey4lyfee]

Space shuttle tech + Apollo tech = Ares

[g3org33r3]

Why is the sea black? :L

[RecklessTornado]

Oh how I wish history went along with the manned venus and mars flybys planned for the 70's and then land on mars in the 80's or late 70's.

[Golditz95]

oops, meant to put get, not would. :p

[Golditz95]

The astronauts would would incredibly bored over the next few months while trying to land on anoter planet.

[sparky577]

Okay,

So one of the greatest ideas ever conceived in the history of mankind, converted to color video format with decent resolution, and displayed on one of the most popular websites in the world, for free. The video has 5,979 views. Justin Bieber and Ludacris make a music video, and it draws the attention of over 351 million more people.

A video of a feasible plan for a manned Mars landing with existing technology looses to Justin Bieber and Ludacris, by over 70,000 times.

THAT is ludicrous.

[Armigo91]

@sparky577

Its ludicrous. its because what we learn our people. Its because society supplies mankind with certain habits and culture to delude the stress of life. People are to stressed to innovate our understandings. They dont want to think when their economy forces them to exhaust themselves. They rather be supplies with lies trough media or some interesting fella that supplies songs for them.

If people are less stressed everyone would have their moments to determine right from wrong.

[Shuttheheckup735]

@sparky577

most people are just morons who would rather listen to music then expand in space, their the ones who will eventually suffer with over population of the earth, these days we have the technology to build a functioning CITY, not colony, CITY on the moon, yet Nasa Isn't doing it because they arn't getting support from people who would rather listen to music.

[helljumpr5150]

@Shuttheheckup735 Or spend most of governemt money on 'defense' spending.

Ironic that the very thing that holds the key to our future is neglected while we are more concerned on how to destroy our enemies if not each other.

[Shuttheheckup735]

@helljumpr5150 most likely, humanity won't survive long enough to build a city on the moon, too bad, we were doing pretty good too... :/

[ApertureAce]

@sparky577 I don't want to live on this planet anymore. :(

[Winner8501]

@sparky577

Does it win me some points that I haven't the slightest idea who "Justin Bieber and Ludacris" are? :-)

[Razorlvirus]

@sparky577 and that is why, Good People of America

that WE MUST GO BACK TO THE MOON, AND FROM THERE MARS!

oh and we need another big threat like The Communists to create a new space race!

[snaip]

@Razorlvirus There's some debt to pay before that happens.

[Ap0klips3]

@Razorlvirus i am not russian and not a communist but i have to say i think you are one of the most ignorant person i have met on YouTube.. + it's to costly to go back to the moon and form a base for basically nothing, we just don't need it, we have managed without one and we still can, it's as stupid as the 90 day report, you, my narrow minded friend should watch Robert Zubrin's Mars Underground project and cultivate yourself.

[TheScienceguy1998]

I have a question, although it may sound silly: If any of you have an Orbiter Forum account, do you know how to post a question?

I have another question: Where can you download this add-on? (BTW, I found a factual error: It's not 'Jacqueline B. Kennedy Space Center', but 'John F. Kennedy Space Center.')

[rseferino1]

@TheScienceguy1998 My account in Orbiter-Forum in "rseferino". the novel "Voyage" by Stephen Baxter, is "Jacqueline B. Kennedy Space Center".

[TheScienceguy1998]

@rseferino1 What Software did you use to record this? Is it free?

[rseferino1]

@TheScienceguy1998 FRAPS 2.9.5. Seach in google "FRAPS 2.9.5 pirate bay" 1ª option, need torrent.

[TheScienceguy1998]

@rseferino1 What torrent downloading software did you use (e.g. BitTorrent, uTorrent)? How did you download torrents with it?

[KaizokuSencho]

@TheScienceguy1998

FFS, Learn to google...

[Kennychan222]

I wanna work for NASA or Csiro!!!

[Topaz997235]

wow music mw2 wow

[Watersound20]

Where can I download the spacecraft?

[TheScienceguy1998]

Do any of you know how to create textures and repaints for the space shuttle? I also need help to edit and create a new space shuttle of my own. I need help creating an add-on as well. Do any of you know a good software to create textures? (If we need a software for creating textures)

[rjholling]

That thing would crush the crawler/transporter

[TheScienceguy1998]

Are any of you add-on developers? I need help on creating textures and repaints for the space shuttle.

[TheScienceguy1998]

Are any of you add-on developers? It is because I need help on creating textures and repaints for the space shuttle. Do we need a special software to do it?

[TheScienceguy1998]

I recently downloaded orbiter 2010, and I needed Microsoft Visual C++ run time libraries for one of the components to run it, because it seems not to be in my system. It said "You can install them now, or you can install them manually later by running the 'Install\vcredist_x86.exe' utility." 2 questions:

1) How do we do that?

2) If downloading is needed where do we download it, what is needed to download it and how do we run the software to make orbiter work?

(Where did you get this addon?)

[Eihort]

@TheScienceguy1998 in the orbiter folder there's an "install" directory. Run the vcredist_x86.exe file there to install the C++ library, then launch orbiter.

[ZemplinTemplar]

I still remember the old version of your Orbiter Voyage movie. I liked the music in that one a bit better, but I lvoe how you remade everything in detail (down to the launch sequence and everything). :-)

[belisariusorb]

Great video - I'm the addon author and it's great to see my stuff being used to make a video. I was going to make a video myself but I couldn't do better than this.

I'm planning to review this one, make it a Velcro Rockets addon. And I'm planning to do an addon for Baxter's Titan. Just sketched out the mission design and I'm looking for parts...

[Winner8501]

@belisariusorb

That would be great (both these things, actually :-) )! At least in making "Titan", you won't have to spend much time with the return part ;-)

[belisariusorb]

@Winner8501 Yeah, it actually looks quite easy to get the parts to make the addon - the tough part is the very complex flight profile, described in the book as "a complicated double orbit around the sun ... two passes past Venus and a final close approach to Earth". This phase lasts two years before they even get into the Saturn transfer trajectory, then another 4 years cruising to Saturn. That's a lot to organise.

[NittanyTiger1]

@belisariusorb I can't get your original "Baxter Voyager Beta" Addon to work with Orbiter 2010 nor Orbiter 2006 in Windows 7. I keep having multiple mesh bugs especially with the Saturn 5B at launch and with the MEM. I can't even EVA on Mars. Do you have an updated or complete version of you addon not in Orbiter Hanger or anywhere else?

[belisariusorb]

@NittanyTiger1 It might help if you have NASSP installed. But maybe not. I don't have any other version of it except what's posted on OH.

Have patience, I'm going to rework it as as Velcro addon for Orbiter 2010 soon, maybe two weeks.

[NittanyTiger1]

@belisariusorb Cool. Will the models be fixed to match the book and all of the scenario stages added?

Also, my add-on install complained of a missing file for the Mars EVA when I tried to run the Mars EVA scenario from the launcher. It ended up crashing on that instance. I think I'll download the file again from OH just in case I received a corrupt copy.

I had NAASP installed though some of the parts seem like they rely on AMSO or use meshes from that add-on.

[belisariusorb]

@NittanyTiger1 I hope to fix all the models and then ask someone who knows coding to dll the MEM, make it all Velcro Saturn, so there are no more mesh problems or weird dependencies. Then using UMMFA and UCGO to animate exciting bits and allow EVA - I don't think I put that in the beta version. Right now I'm looking at the Saturn booster and the capabilities of Velcro. What else...? finish the documentation, redo the scenarios, test and season to taste...New Years' Project

[NittanyTiger1]

@belisariusorb Sounds good.

[mecagoentoooooooo]

I hope that some day someone could do this addon like Nassp7.

[arsenal553]

Thank you for reuploading this awesome video.

[madnes88]

Can i download this addon anywhere? And by the way, at the end its not a touchdown but a splashdown as it was called in Nasa missions ;)

[wingman011111]

i need a copy of this vid. does anybody know where i can DL one? if so them pm me.

[davisgreen2020]

Great video. But there is NO spinning section of the space ship to prevent bone and muscle loss for the human crew ?. Similar the design of the spaceship in the film "Mission to Mars" !

[looksintolasers]

Sweet video... have you showed it to Stephen Baxter yet?

[Winner8501]

@looksintolasers

If he hadn't, he definitely should!

[KosmicFlux]

This would have been a much better option than the Space Shuttle. Nixon said he wanted to routinize access to space - this would have done that. We'd be sending out regular interplanetary missions by now.

[Winner8501]

@KosmicFlux

Actually, I think the novel makes it clear that this wouldn't have been such a great thing. In this time-line, NASA sacrificed most of the science on the altar of one manned mission to Mars. So, no Voyagers (=no data from the outer solar system), no Vikings, no Magellan (the probe that mapped Venus), no ISS, no nothing. And once this mission ended, NASA would have nothing in terms of a long term plan. It would have been glorious mission, yes, but also a dead end for NASA.

[rseferino1]

@Winner8501 Error. It is dangerous to take a book of fiction with the plans was being done in reality. The Integral Plan of NASA planetary exploration had stipulated with the expansions of the Mariner program (Voyager 1 and 2 really be Mariner 11 and 12) CRAF probe designed to a landing on a comet, the original Voyager to Mars. VOIR (Venus Orbiting Imaging Radar) much more ambitious and comprehensive than Magellan.

[Winner8501]

@rseferino1

I was referring to what was said in the novel. In one part Natalie York wonders if their one-shot mission to Mars was worth all the science lost because NASA had spent all its money on the Ares mission.

Maybe the novel exaggerated it a little, but if the focus was solely to put humans on Mars, there would hardly be any money left for other "pet projects", like deep space probes and such.

[RecklessTornado]

too bad nixon didnt abandon the shuttle program, otherwise we would live in a changed world

[helljumpr5150]

Wow!

You should do one for Stephen Baxter's 'Titan'.