She was at heart an Albanian nationalist and expansionist. She laid a bouquet on the tomb of Enver Hoxha (a dictator who encouraged Albanian nationalism, yet persecuted MT's own church) and laid a wreath on the "Greater Albania" monument (which was a movement to incorporate territories in Yugoslavia and Greece into the Albanian homeland). I can undestand arguments about her "forgiving" Hoxha, but honouring "Greater Albania" is wholly indifensible.
@thegreatestbak No wonder less people try to be good and give there self up for others. People accept bad people because they seem cool. She helped the poor and tried to lift them up from poverty. What this man doesn't understand is that they renounced everything and give their selves in service for others. Failing to see the goodness of others makes that person a bad person.
Exploiters and makers of religion have always made people believe that it's divine to be poor and to suffer, just so they the exploiters can take everything for themselves without any resistance on behalf of the poor. They do the same thing by making people believe in heaven and hell, creating fear/greed in people and controlling them with this, it's time religion ceases from the world. As George Carlin says "i think religion is the worst thing that has ever happened to mankind."
@monaghaned First off she did not live of prayer alone. Do you mean in that small amount of time when she wasn't constantly traveling via private jet and wasn't meeting with the rich and with world leaders or maybe those times when she chose to preach about abortion instead of what her "mission's" supposed goal was, which was to help the poorest of the poor. She did not live on prayer, she lived on fame. Secondly she has not helped hundreds of thousands of people, i'd be surprised if she's even
@monaghaned if u don't know enough about her to know that she talked to world leaders, its no wonder u believe she's a great person. And since when did being against abortion constitute being labeled as saint-like. If thats the only "good" she did then she truly is a disturbing person. The point is the poor weren't really her priority or even on her agenda. During numerous of her opportunities to address and speak to a crowd she would prefer to speak of abortion rather than the needs of the poor
@monaghaned helped a few dozen people. This woman was given large amounts of money none of which went to improving the lives and conditions of these people. She gave them a place to die, offered them no medical aid, and was not interested in preserving their lives, only in preserving their "souls". The money she had at her disposal could have fed the entire city of calcutta for years yet she demanded her home of the dying stayed in its continually dismal state. She's a disgusting human being.
Theresa wanked herself with a crucifix thinking about dying children. She couldn't get enough of that good stuff. Mmm transcendental suffering, innocence, Jesus ooh yeah..it really got her wet. Dirty bitch.
what do christians care about health or hospitals? the body is but a shell. why bother taking care of it? mother theresa was not a deviant among christians. she was following the chirstian teachings of bodily mortification precisely.
i wonder what happened to all that money. it certaily did not go to a hospital or toward treatment.
@Herdewelle I doubt that. For one, most people fall within the middle class. Secondly, Having read about gays, native alaskans and other groups that suffer poverty and a feeling of hopelessness have high suicide rates. Debt looming over your head, not having security, feelings of failure,etc those lead to suicide.
who's the tard woman trying to defend hell's angel with the absurd argument that " it wasn't her mission" to provide those people with reasonable health care! as i this automatically makes her actions morally impressive! well fuck, i'm going togo beat the crap out of some women and when the cops ask me how i ould allow myself to inflict such horrible suffering, i'll just say "it was never my intention to protect them from harm to start with" so therefore i ddn't do anything wrong
One day the Internauts will have virtual guns and knives and they will be able to virtually kill each virtual person they will disagree with. YouTube, if it will still exist then (which I very much doubt), will be a murder arena.
Bnejamin Zephaniah is right to be outraged. Zealots, of any sort, are evil.
How much truth speaks the Poet Laureate: much of donations given to the Catholic church end in luxurious wardrobes of popes, cardinals, bishops, deans, priests and bankers. Sister Theresa (later to be Mother) was only a tool person. No shame of her; shame on the institution that took advantage of her.
@abuealfonso10 He doesn't speak truth. Mother Teresa used the money that we gladly gave her to setup orphanages and hospitals for those that no one cared about. She didn't give any money to the Pope (we Catholics have an annual collection to help pay for his adminstratoin) - she in fact set up a soup kitchen for the poor of Rome in the Vatican. You are correct that some donations are abused by some Bishops / priests as happens in any organization - so always be discerning in who you donate to!
Why is the woman with the glasses acting this ignorant??
What reason there may be... its just wrong to keep people from getting the medical help they need.
Even if it wasnt teresa's mission... When you care about people. and you get to the point you got millions of dollars. you use that money to help moren more people.
This just explains what the vatican realy is about. MONEY not People
Oh And Benjamin, Mother Theresa never gave money to the "Vatican" - she did setup a soup kitchen for the homeless in Rome which is based in the Vatican and still exists today
@japjapi Vatican City is a world heritage site that all people Catholics and non Catholics can visit. Entry to St Peters Square and the basillica itself is free. At times entry is restricted such as Easter Ceremonies etc. when you must obtain a ticket (no fee - its just a security measure). You have to pay to visit the museums. The gardens and the living quarters and offices are private - obviously.
Benjamin Zephaniah is being extremely dishonest in this clip; While it is true that Mother Theresa went to Haiti and met the dictator Duvallier she also setup an orphanage there. Catholic spirituality advocates that we try to show love to all -yes even dictators! In the Gospels Jesus dines with prostitutes and tax collectors (ie thieves) - not to condone their behavior but to change them.
People gave money to the bitch Theresa believing she would help alleviate suffering ut she used it to benefit herself and her church. She was a simple thief, an embezzeller. Screw her and the catholic hypocrites.
@jefitz Theresa never used the money she was donated to help the sick, she used it to build catholic indoctrination colleges to train more nuns. She never cared about the suffering, she said pain brought people 'closer to god'. If people had known their money wouldn't go to alleviate suffering they would never have donated it, so she procured it under false pretences and is therefore a thief.
@astrophonix She did use the money to help the sick and helpless not only in Calcuttta but worldwide. I know people who worked with her and the poorest of the poor. Why don't you just go to your local Missionaries of Charity House and see for yourself? Why are you so bitter and judgemental without actually checking the facts?
@jefitz Theresa never helped anyone, she believed suffering was good so she never alleviated anyone's suffering. She used the money she appealed for to build nun traning colleges. Any nun offering to help a suffering kid by using their own money was sacked on the spot. It's you that ignore these facts as you want to worship the vile old hag. I'll give you 8 months to think up a response, you stupid ponce.
@jefitz Are you fucking deaf or plain retarded? Did Benjamin Zephaniah not just say that THAT'S WHAT HER ORGANIZATION SHOULD HAVE DONE BUT DID NOT DO?!!!
@Torchmark BZ claimed that Mother Terersa took poor peoples money to give to the Pope. This is untrue. The Pope is funded by catholics worldwide with a one day collection called Peters Pence. Catholics worldwide donate to mother Teresa's charity.
Yeah... becuase pain and suffering aren't beautiful... notice the sarcasm? I think you'll find that ony those who live quite comfortably think otherwise.
Suffering brings you closer to the ecstasy of life, god, nirvana, enlightenment or whatever you want to call it.
@mateyboy07 Don't come back until mars crashes into venus,
see... random statements get us nowehere.
go to an art gallery, read some good poetry, listen to a moving piece of music, talk to somebody who's lived a tough, painful life. suffering is their inspiration, that's not to say that it's particularily desirable, but it is a vital part of the human experience...
Like I said, people who live in relative comfort, in the protective bubble of western society tend not to understand this.
@Amarkcalledme it's not a random statement, you really are talking out of your arse. talking in cliches without knowing what you're on about. Firstly, if you think that suffering is the only inspiration there is for great music, art etc then you haven't been to as many art galleries as you think.
@mateyboy07 Secondly, you don't know as much about cultures outside the West as you think. You said that suffering brings you closer to nirvana. In Buddhism the whole point is to eliminate suffering (and happiness), that's how they get to Nirvana. You're talking in cliches. I doubt you have suffered or been poor. Maybe you had to live off noodles for a week at college I don't know.
@mateyboy07 Well it looks like we're at an impass...
I'm not claiming some objective catchall understanding of the human experience, you think I'm talking out my arse and I think that I'm not but one of us is wrong, or maybe neither of us, who knows maybe both of us are, we'll never know.
suffering is certainly not the only inspiration, much like paint and brush aren't the only medium for a portrait and you're right I've only ever been to one art gallery in my life.
@Amarkcalledme I just think you're confusing the suffering of say some artist who doesn't have much money and likes to sing about it, and the suffering of a malnourished man experiencing chronic neurophatic pain from terminal cancer, dying in a terrible hospice, all because Mother Teresa thinks it's 'beautiful'. I take exception to you and your comments because you also seem to think that this kind of suffering is 'beautiful' and justify it with some college level nonsense.
@Amarkcalledme so tell me what is beautiful about a malnourished man experiencing chronic neurophatic pain from terminal cancer, dying in a terrible hospice, or failing that, link me to some art galleries populated with pictures painted by malnourished men experiencing chronic neurophatic pain from terminal cancer, dying in terrible hospices. And tell me what's beautiful about Mother Teresa capitalising on their plight and sending the money off to the Vatican.
Try describing a rainbow to a blind man, that's what you're doing right now, or maybe it's what I'm doing... semantics.
I don't know enough about Mother Teresa to give you an informed opinion on the subject, but I'm not promoting whatever unscrupulous exploitation of suffering she may have been involved in. I was merely pointing out that suffering is a necessary part of life, in fact it may be it's prominent feature. Beauty is rarely a good thing.
You said it "Her mission was not to build hospitals and school and top notch modern technology To go someone dying" What fuck retard person is she, enjoys someone dying!!! If she is going to offer has saint, that disgrace and insult to human species!!
As Osho says, Mother Theresa needs the poor or else she will run out of business. Do you think she doesn't want any poor people, any orphans in the world? She wants as many as possible.
I remember exactly one of Mother Theresa's nuns' response regarding the boy who needed hospitalization but was kept at the hospice and died. She said "If we do it for one, we might as well do it for all." And that's the response being laid upon you as they crown this charlatan a saint. Mother Theresa ran a cult of suffering and death, hobnobbed with dictators, and took money from retirees through Charles Keating's scam, and wasted the world's donations on nunneries. How do you sleep at night?
I remember exactly one of Mother Theresa's nuns' response regarding the boy who needed hospitalization but was kept at the hospice and died. She said "If we do it for one, we might as well do it for all." And that's the response being laid upon you as they crown this charlatan a saint. Mother Theresa ran a cult of suffering and death, hobnobbed with dictators, and took money from retirees through Charles Keating's scam, and wasted the world's donations on nunneries. How do you sleep at night?
I've been poor in America; I can tell you that it really, really, sucks, but I've seen poor folks in India, and I have to say that I've lead a privileged life. There's nothing divine about hunger, squalor, and sickness.
@missisipicools her missino was simply to surround herself with poor people, and yes of course Theresa is guilty of money being squandered. Money that people thought was going to help the poor was either going to a) perpetuating the condition of the poor, or b) wierd Vatican projects. People didn't think their donations were going to either of these.
She has done much less to help the poor than probably millions of people world wide, and she didn't even do it with the intention of helping them.
@missisipicools The only reason you think it's not Theresa's fault that money was wasted by her is because you believe in the myth of Mother Theresa, perpetuated by the lie that her money was going somewhere. When you realise the money was going nowhere, the myth disappears.
All she wanted was to fraternise with the poor to get closer to Jesus (who she didn't even believe in).
@ mateboy07 No I do not believe in her so called myth. She didn't really help the poor. I know. But I do think that her intention was to help.
I mean she felt herself so close to Jesus (how you said), and her mission was to help, to support the poorest of the poor. It was enough to keep holding hand of an dying human being.
Please explain me, why the mission should build hospitals?
I'm sure the fu**ing Vatikan took the whole money. Because they where and are watching over everything.
@missisipicools if the mission had the money to build proper hospices with modern facilities then they should have done. People died in pain in Mother Theresa's hospices.
I'm sure the Vatican earned a lot of money from Theresa, but most of it languished in a Vatican bank account that Theresa permanently had access to.
As for her mission being to support the poorest of the poor... if that is the case then you have to explain why she never refunded the Keating millions, money that was stolen from some of America's poorest people. The judge of the case wrote to her a very humane and compassionate letter explaining why this money should be returned. There are many millions more people more compassionate and more capable of helping the poor than Theresa.
I never have heard about this letter, I have to look for it and check it out. And yes of course there are alot of better defenders for human rights.
But I am still convinced that Theresas ambition was to help. She was just to influenced by the Vatican. Imagine, you are an deep-spirited catholic, when the pope or bishop sais you have to keep the money or you have to do something else with the money, you would do it.
I just want to say that for me you have to do, what for you is the right thing. And when Theresa really thought she did her best, it was the best
We all here discussing about it know, the capability she had really wasn't good used. I think there were definately many many better ways to help the poor.
And Benjamin Zephaniah, for me is a very interesting and inspirational human.
I like his campaigns 'gainst homophopia or human rights in th 80's.
Type "keating theresa letter paul turley jesus" into google, top link. The letter is on an atheist website, though the author of the letter was a Christian.
You are right that people should feel driven to do what they think is right, but who is to say what one person thinks is right is universally right? Bin Laden no doubt thinks he is are right, and though I'd never dream of comparing Theresa to terrorists, I still think it's possible to criticise her for something she thought was right.
Okay in reference to your example I agree. But for me (I've forgotten to write it before) you can do, think whatever you want and live however you think its the best as long as you don't hurt another human being. interesting is that I found in Internet some people which think the same, and these are either deep religeous christians or satanists. And these poets from Benjamin sometimes deal with topics like: how to live in a good way or how to care for yourself without being selfish.e.gPen Rhythm
@thegreatestbak I of course completely understand your view but i respectfully disagree. She was poisoned by a religious doctrine, presumably from birth. She genuinely believed that she was doing 'the right thing' by GOD. It's religion that is evil.
"How can I curse you when God love you" - Mother Teresa -
Josueheaven89 1 week ago
I'm sure that dying in the comfort of a bed is much worse than dying out in the middle of the street like a rat.
NickH6789 1 week ago
Vatican and catholic dogma, I am glad I am neither!!
TheMambavenom 2 weeks ago
did he say 'miracles' in the end.. am i dreaming??? a kunt of host on tv show saying 'miracles' as if it ware reality?? did i hear that right?
chinamanspeakenlis 3 weeks ago
Benjamin Zephaniah... What a man.
RibenaRachael 1 month ago
One little known fact about MT:
She was at heart an Albanian nationalist and expansionist. She laid a bouquet on the tomb of Enver Hoxha (a dictator who encouraged Albanian nationalism, yet persecuted MT's own church) and laid a wreath on the "Greater Albania" monument (which was a movement to incorporate territories in Yugoslavia and Greece into the Albanian homeland). I can undestand arguments about her "forgiving" Hoxha, but honouring "Greater Albania" is wholly indifensible.
LaStriata 1 month ago
@thegreatestbak No wonder less people try to be good and give there self up for others. People accept bad people because they seem cool. She helped the poor and tried to lift them up from poverty. What this man doesn't understand is that they renounced everything and give their selves in service for others. Failing to see the goodness of others makes that person a bad person.
cebuano1997 2 months ago
@cebuano1997
"She helped the poor and tried to lift them up from poverty."
She tried to preserve suffering, her aim wasn't to help people from poverty, you gullible MORON.
"Failing to see the goodness of others makes that person a bad person."
Failing to see the badness of others makes that person a bad person.
Twit.
TurboDally 1 month ago
@cebuano1997 are you mad, or are you drunk from sucking the whore of Babylons tittys??
TheMambavenom 2 weeks ago
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@cebuano1997 are you mad, or are you drunk from sucking the whore of Babylon's tittys??
TheMambavenom 2 weeks ago
But we have to respect that mother teresa had to do good for herself too.
So we cannot expect the right doing of humanity only on mother teresa!
isreinable 2 months ago
Exploiters and makers of religion have always made people believe that it's divine to be poor and to suffer, just so they the exploiters can take everything for themselves without any resistance on behalf of the poor. They do the same thing by making people believe in heaven and hell, creating fear/greed in people and controlling them with this, it's time religion ceases from the world. As George Carlin says "i think religion is the worst thing that has ever happened to mankind."
LionEntity 3 months ago 3
Zephaniah is such a prick.
bertyUK 3 months ago
Zephaniah speaks truth.
GodFree27 3 months ago 2
Mother Teresa lived on prayer alone nothing else she hardly even ate herself and helped hundreds of thousands
monaghaned 4 months ago
@monaghaned First off she did not live of prayer alone. Do you mean in that small amount of time when she wasn't constantly traveling via private jet and wasn't meeting with the rich and with world leaders or maybe those times when she chose to preach about abortion instead of what her "mission's" supposed goal was, which was to help the poorest of the poor. She did not live on prayer, she lived on fame. Secondly she has not helped hundreds of thousands of people, i'd be surprised if she's even
mrtennessee88 3 months ago
@mrtennessee88 Why did she talk to world leaders? A catholic woman against abortion never
monaghaned 3 months ago
@monaghaned if u don't know enough about her to know that she talked to world leaders, its no wonder u believe she's a great person. And since when did being against abortion constitute being labeled as saint-like. If thats the only "good" she did then she truly is a disturbing person. The point is the poor weren't really her priority or even on her agenda. During numerous of her opportunities to address and speak to a crowd she would prefer to speak of abortion rather than the needs of the poor
mrtennessee88 3 months ago
@monaghaned helped a few dozen people. This woman was given large amounts of money none of which went to improving the lives and conditions of these people. She gave them a place to die, offered them no medical aid, and was not interested in preserving their lives, only in preserving their "souls". The money she had at her disposal could have fed the entire city of calcutta for years yet she demanded her home of the dying stayed in its continually dismal state. She's a disgusting human being.
mrtennessee88 3 months ago
"If the world hates you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you" - John15:18
psalmsurfer1 4 months ago
Yeah, Zaphaniah is even talking in a quite rhythmical kinda way.
McGregor2012 4 months ago
Theresa wanked herself with a crucifix thinking about dying children. She couldn't get enough of that good stuff. Mmm transcendental suffering, innocence, Jesus ooh yeah..it really got her wet. Dirty bitch.
KillTheStranger 5 months ago
"She could have at least given them beds" LOL enough said.
laparka1138 5 months ago 14
what do christians care about health or hospitals? the body is but a shell. why bother taking care of it? mother theresa was not a deviant among christians. she was following the chirstian teachings of bodily mortification precisely.
i wonder what happened to all that money. it certaily did not go to a hospital or toward treatment.
avalsonline2 5 months ago 2
lol at the end "it's very important to introduce this... MIRACLES!"
That's the point when you know the debate is about to go down the drain.
preacherZer0 7 months ago
ha love how the guy at the end brings it to an end by saying:
"miracles"
with authority
lol
very funny indeed
natmanprime 7 months ago
Only those who have suffered immensely can fully understand charity and sacrifice.
And yet, money still cannot buy happiness.
More rich people commit suicide than poor.
Herdewelle 8 months ago
@Herdewelle I doubt that. For one, most people fall within the middle class. Secondly, Having read about gays, native alaskans and other groups that suffer poverty and a feeling of hopelessness have high suicide rates. Debt looming over your head, not having security, feelings of failure,etc those lead to suicide.
Ebuverthebicepcurler 7 months ago
Mother Teresa, the ghoul of Calcutta.
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MyPatrickn 9 months ago
who's the tard woman trying to defend hell's angel with the absurd argument that " it wasn't her mission" to provide those people with reasonable health care! as i this automatically makes her actions morally impressive! well fuck, i'm going togo beat the crap out of some women and when the cops ask me how i ould allow myself to inflict such horrible suffering, i'll just say "it was never my intention to protect them from harm to start with" so therefore i ddn't do anything wrong
msizer 9 months ago
One day the Internauts will have virtual guns and knives and they will be able to virtually kill each virtual person they will disagree with. YouTube, if it will still exist then (which I very much doubt), will be a murder arena.
Bnejamin Zephaniah is right to be outraged. Zealots, of any sort, are evil.
oYoYebutu 11 months ago
I would love to see the rest of this video....where can i find the full version plz?
Benjamin is WONDERFUL!
LionEntity 1 year ago
How much truth speaks the Poet Laureate: much of donations given to the Catholic church end in luxurious wardrobes of popes, cardinals, bishops, deans, priests and bankers. Sister Theresa (later to be Mother) was only a tool person. No shame of her; shame on the institution that took advantage of her.
abuealfonso10 1 year ago
@abuealfonso10 He doesn't speak truth. Mother Teresa used the money that we gladly gave her to setup orphanages and hospitals for those that no one cared about. She didn't give any money to the Pope (we Catholics have an annual collection to help pay for his adminstratoin) - she in fact set up a soup kitchen for the poor of Rome in the Vatican. You are correct that some donations are abused by some Bishops / priests as happens in any organization - so always be discerning in who you donate to!
jefitz 1 year ago
Why is the woman with the glasses acting this ignorant??
What reason there may be... its just wrong to keep people from getting the medical help they need.
Even if it wasnt teresa's mission... When you care about people. and you get to the point you got millions of dollars. you use that money to help moren more people.
This just explains what the vatican realy is about. MONEY not People
japjapi 1 year ago
Oh And Benjamin, Mother Theresa never gave money to the "Vatican" - she did setup a soup kitchen for the homeless in Rome which is based in the Vatican and still exists today
jefitz 1 year ago
@jefitz Is every one alowed within the vatican??
( i realy dont kno this btw)
japjapi 1 year ago
@japjapi Vatican City is a world heritage site that all people Catholics and non Catholics can visit. Entry to St Peters Square and the basillica itself is free. At times entry is restricted such as Easter Ceremonies etc. when you must obtain a ticket (no fee - its just a security measure). You have to pay to visit the museums. The gardens and the living quarters and offices are private - obviously.
jefitz 1 year ago
Benjamin Zephaniah is being extremely dishonest in this clip; While it is true that Mother Theresa went to Haiti and met the dictator Duvallier she also setup an orphanage there. Catholic spirituality advocates that we try to show love to all -yes even dictators! In the Gospels Jesus dines with prostitutes and tax collectors (ie thieves) - not to condone their behavior but to change them.
jefitz 1 year ago
People gave money to the bitch Theresa believing she would help alleviate suffering ut she used it to benefit herself and her church. She was a simple thief, an embezzeller. Screw her and the catholic hypocrites.
astrophonix 1 year ago
@astrophonix She didn't use it to benefit herself. She used it to setup hospitals for the suffering.
jefitz 1 year ago
@jefitz Theresa never used the money she was donated to help the sick, she used it to build catholic indoctrination colleges to train more nuns. She never cared about the suffering, she said pain brought people 'closer to god'. If people had known their money wouldn't go to alleviate suffering they would never have donated it, so she procured it under false pretences and is therefore a thief.
astrophonix 1 year ago 3
@astrophonix She did use the money to help the sick and helpless not only in Calcuttta but worldwide. I know people who worked with her and the poorest of the poor. Why don't you just go to your local Missionaries of Charity House and see for yourself? Why are you so bitter and judgemental without actually checking the facts?
jefitz 4 months ago
@jefitz Theresa never helped anyone, she believed suffering was good so she never alleviated anyone's suffering. She used the money she appealed for to build nun traning colleges. Any nun offering to help a suffering kid by using their own money was sacked on the spot. It's you that ignore these facts as you want to worship the vile old hag. I'll give you 8 months to think up a response, you stupid ponce.
astrophonix 4 months ago
@jefitz Are you fucking deaf or plain retarded? Did Benjamin Zephaniah not just say that THAT'S WHAT HER ORGANIZATION SHOULD HAVE DONE BUT DID NOT DO?!!!
Torchmark 11 months ago
@Torchmark BZ claimed that Mother Terersa took poor peoples money to give to the Pope. This is untrue. The Pope is funded by catholics worldwide with a one day collection called Peters Pence. Catholics worldwide donate to mother Teresa's charity.
jefitz 4 months ago
Yeah... becuase pain and suffering aren't beautiful... notice the sarcasm? I think you'll find that ony those who live quite comfortably think otherwise.
Suffering brings you closer to the ecstasy of life, god, nirvana, enlightenment or whatever you want to call it.
Amarkcalledme 1 year ago
@Amarkcalledme come back when you stop talking out of your arse
mateyboy07 1 year ago
@mateyboy07 Don't come back until mars crashes into venus,
see... random statements get us nowehere.
go to an art gallery, read some good poetry, listen to a moving piece of music, talk to somebody who's lived a tough, painful life. suffering is their inspiration, that's not to say that it's particularily desirable, but it is a vital part of the human experience...
Like I said, people who live in relative comfort, in the protective bubble of western society tend not to understand this.
peace
Amarkcalledme 1 year ago
@Amarkcalledme it's not a random statement, you really are talking out of your arse. talking in cliches without knowing what you're on about. Firstly, if you think that suffering is the only inspiration there is for great music, art etc then you haven't been to as many art galleries as you think.
mateyboy07 1 year ago
@mateyboy07 Secondly, you don't know as much about cultures outside the West as you think. You said that suffering brings you closer to nirvana. In Buddhism the whole point is to eliminate suffering (and happiness), that's how they get to Nirvana. You're talking in cliches. I doubt you have suffered or been poor. Maybe you had to live off noodles for a week at college I don't know.
mateyboy07 1 year ago
@mateyboy07 Well it looks like we're at an impass...
I'm not claiming some objective catchall understanding of the human experience, you think I'm talking out my arse and I think that I'm not but one of us is wrong, or maybe neither of us, who knows maybe both of us are, we'll never know.
suffering is certainly not the only inspiration, much like paint and brush aren't the only medium for a portrait and you're right I've only ever been to one art gallery in my life.
Amarkcalledme 1 year ago
@Amarkcalledme I just think you're confusing the suffering of say some artist who doesn't have much money and likes to sing about it, and the suffering of a malnourished man experiencing chronic neurophatic pain from terminal cancer, dying in a terrible hospice, all because Mother Teresa thinks it's 'beautiful'. I take exception to you and your comments because you also seem to think that this kind of suffering is 'beautiful' and justify it with some college level nonsense.
mateyboy07 1 year ago
@mateyboy07 No I mean suffering, true suffering...
physical pain, emotional anguish you name it.
I think you're confusing beauty with some misplaced sense of morality, good and bad, right and wrong have little to nothing to do with beauty.
Amarkcalledme 1 year ago
@Amarkcalledme so tell me what is beautiful about a malnourished man experiencing chronic neurophatic pain from terminal cancer, dying in a terrible hospice, or failing that, link me to some art galleries populated with pictures painted by malnourished men experiencing chronic neurophatic pain from terminal cancer, dying in terrible hospices. And tell me what's beautiful about Mother Teresa capitalising on their plight and sending the money off to the Vatican.
mateyboy07 1 year ago
@mateyboy07
Try describing a rainbow to a blind man, that's what you're doing right now, or maybe it's what I'm doing... semantics.
I don't know enough about Mother Teresa to give you an informed opinion on the subject, but I'm not promoting whatever unscrupulous exploitation of suffering she may have been involved in. I was merely pointing out that suffering is a necessary part of life, in fact it may be it's prominent feature. Beauty is rarely a good thing.
I suppose you're right though.
Amarkcalledme 1 year ago
You said it "Her mission was not to build hospitals and school and top notch modern technology To go someone dying" What fuck retard person is she, enjoys someone dying!!! If she is going to offer has saint, that disgrace and insult to human species!!
ayyawark 1 year ago
mother theresa was a TWAT
serappia 1 year ago
As Osho says, Mother Theresa needs the poor or else she will run out of business. Do you think she doesn't want any poor people, any orphans in the world? She wants as many as possible.
LionEntity 1 year ago
I remember exactly one of Mother Theresa's nuns' response regarding the boy who needed hospitalization but was kept at the hospice and died. She said "If we do it for one, we might as well do it for all." And that's the response being laid upon you as they crown this charlatan a saint. Mother Theresa ran a cult of suffering and death, hobnobbed with dictators, and took money from retirees through Charles Keating's scam, and wasted the world's donations on nunneries. How do you sleep at night?
zachary261 1 year ago
I remember exactly one of Mother Theresa's nuns' response regarding the boy who needed hospitalization but was kept at the hospice and died. She said "If we do it for one, we might as well do it for all." And that's the response being laid upon you as they crown this charlatan a saint. Mother Theresa ran a cult of suffering and death, hobnobbed with dictators, and took money from retirees through Charles Keating's scam, and wasted the world's donations on nunneries. How do you sleep at night?
zachary261 1 year ago
"You never hear people who are poor and suffering saying its great, its wonderful"
Indeed
TheIkaraCult 2 years ago
@TheIkaraCult Thank you, Mr. Zephaniah.
I've been poor in America; I can tell you that it really, really, sucks, but I've seen poor folks in India, and I have to say that I've lead a privileged life. There's nothing divine about hunger, squalor, and sickness.
Good poets keep it real.
mastershake99 1 year ago 47
It's ridiculous to describe Theresa as "disgusting" or "evil".
Her mission was to bring food to the poor, and to support homeless or dying people.
The fact that the money doesn't arrives the mission... You cannot know who is guilty.
And sorry, to transfer things, maybe one Fucked up catholic has done at the whole Catholic church is poor.
Why should the mission build hospitals, when it isn't their task.
Everybody, stay on the ground!!!
missisipicools 2 years ago
@missisipicools her missino was simply to surround herself with poor people, and yes of course Theresa is guilty of money being squandered. Money that people thought was going to help the poor was either going to a) perpetuating the condition of the poor, or b) wierd Vatican projects. People didn't think their donations were going to either of these.
She has done much less to help the poor than probably millions of people world wide, and she didn't even do it with the intention of helping them.
mateyboy07 2 years ago
@missisipicools The only reason you think it's not Theresa's fault that money was wasted by her is because you believe in the myth of Mother Theresa, perpetuated by the lie that her money was going somewhere. When you realise the money was going nowhere, the myth disappears.
All she wanted was to fraternise with the poor to get closer to Jesus (who she didn't even believe in).
mateyboy07 2 years ago
@ mateboy07 No I do not believe in her so called myth. She didn't really help the poor. I know. But I do think that her intention was to help.
I mean she felt herself so close to Jesus (how you said), and her mission was to help, to support the poorest of the poor. It was enough to keep holding hand of an dying human being.
Please explain me, why the mission should build hospitals?
I'm sure the fu**ing Vatikan took the whole money. Because they where and are watching over everything.
missisipicools 2 years ago
@missisipicools if the mission had the money to build proper hospices with modern facilities then they should have done. People died in pain in Mother Theresa's hospices.
I'm sure the Vatican earned a lot of money from Theresa, but most of it languished in a Vatican bank account that Theresa permanently had access to.
mateyboy07 2 years ago
As for her mission being to support the poorest of the poor... if that is the case then you have to explain why she never refunded the Keating millions, money that was stolen from some of America's poorest people. The judge of the case wrote to her a very humane and compassionate letter explaining why this money should be returned. There are many millions more people more compassionate and more capable of helping the poor than Theresa.
mateyboy07 2 years ago
Okay, the "Keating- thing" is a good point.
I never have heard about this letter, I have to look for it and check it out. And yes of course there are alot of better defenders for human rights.
But I am still convinced that Theresas ambition was to help. She was just to influenced by the Vatican. Imagine, you are an deep-spirited catholic, when the pope or bishop sais you have to keep the money or you have to do something else with the money, you would do it.
I am sure she thought she was right
missisipicools 2 years ago
second part.
I just want to say that for me you have to do, what for you is the right thing. And when Theresa really thought she did her best, it was the best
We all here discussing about it know, the capability she had really wasn't good used. I think there were definately many many better ways to help the poor.
And Benjamin Zephaniah, for me is a very interesting and inspirational human.
I like his campaigns 'gainst homophopia or human rights in th 80's.
I'll check the letter-thing now.
missisipicools 2 years ago
Type "keating theresa letter paul turley jesus" into google, top link. The letter is on an atheist website, though the author of the letter was a Christian.
You are right that people should feel driven to do what they think is right, but who is to say what one person thinks is right is universally right? Bin Laden no doubt thinks he is are right, and though I'd never dream of comparing Theresa to terrorists, I still think it's possible to criticise her for something she thought was right.
mateyboy07 2 years ago
As for Zephaniah, I checked out more of his stuff after seeing him on this program. Very impressive guy, really good poet.
mateyboy07 2 years ago
Okay in reference to your example I agree. But for me (I've forgotten to write it before) you can do, think whatever you want and live however you think its the best as long as you don't hurt another human being. interesting is that I found in Internet some people which think the same, and these are either deep religeous christians or satanists. And these poets from Benjamin sometimes deal with topics like: how to live in a good way or how to care for yourself without being selfish.e.gPen Rhythm
missisipicools 2 years ago
i'm disapointed.i thought he was going to bodyslam mother teresa
antismotherteresa 2 years ago
He aims enterance at noice itself, it such a crap to hear, realy.
He keeps busy with children if you ask me.
Whats copyright in gods name with this idiot, rape the holy church he is.
duboracle 2 years ago
what the fuck are you on about?
mateyboy07 2 years ago
"Her mission was not to build houses and hospitals" Obviously.
akamola11 2 years ago
In which case it makes you wonder why they're trying to beatify her at all. Fucking typically smug Catholics.
mateyboy07 2 years ago
mother teresa is a disgustingly evil person
thegreatestbak 2 years ago 44
she stole some money from me too
antismotherteresa 2 years ago
@thegreatestbak like the rest of her wretched organization
Torchmark 11 months ago 2
@thegreatestbak I of course completely understand your view but i respectfully disagree. She was poisoned by a religious doctrine, presumably from birth. She genuinely believed that she was doing 'the right thing' by GOD. It's religion that is evil.
mufcrulz 3 months ago