Masters of Mixed Martial Arts Nat Geo part 2

[choyleefutkid1]

bas kick is not an mma kick is a karate kick.

[Hungsizzle]

2 words Bas Rutton.

[zshakur]

It wasn't a mma kick, it was a muay Thai round house from a mma fighter! Sheesh...mma is mixed martial arts ie mixing of various martial arts.

[supercalifragilismic]

i had to use proxy to watch this since its bloacked in my country. damn youtube. lol thanks for upload

[neosquid]

At 3:02 when Bas knees the dummy an extra time he scares the shit out of the lady. Try watch her jump on the left side of the screen LOL

[Bamondi1990]

Bas doesn't kick like a mule, a mule kicks like Bas...

[palehorseridder]

speed x force = (feloicy/who gives a damn it's raw power) lol

[appleinmyass]

mma kick, lol

[AceofDlamonds]

the results of the "MMA kick" compared to the thai guy's kick is based mostly on his size and strength,

[actionmanrandell]

@AceofDlamonds size and strength have very little to do with striking power. studies show the average boxer has astriking force of around 880lbs of force even for the little guys. its because size and strength only account for 10% of power. the rest is technique and speed of technique

[AceofDlamonds]

@actionmanrandell

Dude, equal or near equal weights would make these experiments a lot more valid, PERIOD.

No, size and strength are not measily factors.....they are almost 50/50 with technique and speed. Speed, of course, can be trained, but some natural athletes have greater flexibility and rotational speed than others...as with strength. Show me the study exactly. MSG me.

Why don't we take off the weight divisions then? cause smaller men would be dominated.

[actionmanrandell]

@AceofDlamonds facts are facts are facts and the average boxer has a striking force of 880lbs of force there is no way around that. size only makes up for 10% of factoring in the ability to generate force. the only advantage a larger man has is that because he has more mass he can naturally absorb more damage.

[AceofDlamonds]

@actionmanrandell

show me the freakin link to that study....and the peer review surrounding it.

YES the larger person can absorb more energy with his mass, but look, the increased mass and coupled with strength would make the force generated by the larger person COMPARATIVELY HIGHER than a smaller, weaker man using the same technique.

PRoblem is, you try to take ur idea and apply it to this experiment. You don't know how comparatively strong Bas Rutten is to the Muay Thai guy??

[actionmanrandell]

@AceofDlamonds the problem is most people assume that size has anything to do with strength which it doesnt. look at franco columbo he weighed 190 lbs or so yet he could out lift every single competitor when he competed for mr universe and he was competing against arnald and and ferrigno who weighed atleast 230lbs columbo could lift entire front end of cars up and move them out of the way. like it was nothing cont

[actionmanrandell]

@AceofDlamonds cont and the thing most people fail to relize is that the strength of ones muscles do not change the power of a strike a strike relies on momentum not muscular contraction. force comes from pushing into the ground with your feet then the proper extension of your arm and proper rotation of your waist. cont

[actionmanrandell]

@AceofDlamonds cont the difference between bas rutten and the muay thai fighters force where comparative to the actual strike they did. bas was doing a roundhouse kick which the power of a round house kick is all in the rotation of the waist and the distance the strike travels cupled with the speed at which the leg travels where in the muay thai knee relies soley on the strength of the calves and the speed at which the knee is traveling

[AceofDlamonds]

@actionmanrandell

why the hell are u delving into this!!!

Of course becuse they weree using different technique.....

[actionmanrandell]

@AceofDlamonds cont another thing is alex huynh who weighs around 130 to 140. had a punch that measured over 600lbs where in randy couture who weighs 210lbs only had at maximum a punch of around 500lbs according to your logic. randy couture should have had a punching power of well over 600lbs since he outweighes alex huynh by 80s and is most definatly stronger. yet this is not the case. the reason he had more force was because of how fast his strike was compared to randy coutures punch

[AceofDlamonds]

@actionmanrandell

Yeah,.....bu by your logic, mass doesn't matter. If Couture had done wushu instead and applied such an exquisite punch, I would be willing to bet the result being comparatively higher.

force/technique like Huynh only comes through years and years of practice.

both melchor menor and bas are capable of very high low kicks(the shin kick) they should have measured both of them that way. Bas' size and strength would generate more power in the kick, not relative, absolute.

[actionmanrandell]

@AceofDlamonds wrong. he wasnt using a wushu punch he was simply using a straigt punch. if couture had attempted the same exact punch the same exact way huynh did it he would not have generated the same power. science dictates that force is generated only one way. mass times acceloration plus contact. sciences also says that when you have a fixed amount of mass the only way to increase force is to accelorate at a higher rate cont

[actionmanrandell]

@AceofDlamonds cont ie increase the rate of motion. in other words if you double the speed the force is magnafied exponentially. infact you alter the speed of the strike even vary little such as a couple miles per hour. you increase the force by alot inother words just by increasing a strike from 8 miles per hour to 10 miles an hour you can generate a few hundred more lbs of force

[actionmanrandell]

@AceofDlamonds if size and strength accounted for 50% of power then the average boxer wouldnt be able to generate 880lb of force only heavyweights would average 880lbs of force which is not the case. the average heavyweight can generate 880lbs of force. aswell as the average welterweight can generate 880lbs of force. cont

[actionmanrandell]

@AceofDlamonds cont if you take 2 people one is 250lbs the other is 150lbs. and both train in boxing for 6 months but the 150lb fighter has 10,000 repitions on one strike where in the 250lb fighter only has 2000 reps on that same strike then the 150lb fighter will generate more force from that one strike and that is logic.cont

[actionmanrandell]

@AceofDlamonds cont if you look at anchient greece in the olympics there was no weightclasses because they knew that size doesnt mean everything. and that skill and technique are much more important then size.

[AceofDlamonds]

@actionmanrandell

action, you are missing the freakin point...

size DOESN't MEAN EVERYTHING....but it means A LOT in skilled person vs skilled person your argument about pankration and ancient greece is very very naive. Sure, a street thug would likely be taken out by a skilled BJJ guy, but if a 6-4, 240 lb MMA fighter with BJJ in his own arsenal came up against that smaller BJJ guy, his chances go DOWN, even if he wins, his chances could have ben higher with more size/strength. PERIOD

[actionmanrandell]

@AceofDlamonds why dont you look at when royce gracie competed in the ufc he defeated men 3 and 4 times his size on skill alone.bjj and judo do not use strength they use leverage it requires around 87lbs of force to uproot a 350 lb man off the ground to body slam him. look at gene lebell if he was the age of the fighters in mma today he would dominate them in grappling no mattter a difference in size.

[raveglory300]

Its just like Vegeta and the punching machine haha

[Pirotehnik1996]

2:43 sounds wrong

[12icci]

there's no way those guys can kick harder than a real** muay thai fighter, especially real local trainnees

[AceofDlamonds]

@12icci well the thing this stupid documentary doesn't take into account is that Bas is clearly a heavyweight while the muay thai guy was a lightweight..........AND using a different technique! lol

The guy broke a baseball bat using the same kick Bas did.

[derek223556]

bas is soooo good. his old fights are great but it would be awesome to see him in his prime fight in the modern ufc

[GamerEly]

bas is a krav maga fighter though, something they didnt test last time with the muy thai fighter

[StealthBalla]

How is this surprising? MMA uses techniques from boxing, muay thai, wrestling, & bjj. Of course a heavy weight  using the same muay thai kick will be more powerful than the smaller Thai dude.

[Wh1teB0ii369]

@BRYAN323 Damn injuries :(

[scnarb]

Yeah a knee strike is in the same category as a kick with the foto or shin. Same mechanics! Right? lol

[fasthandsz]

haha bas ''and the good looks'' hahaha

[actionmanrandell]

@pivochagi cont.. physics also state when you focus momentum to a smaller area you can generate more force ie if you focused your most powerful punch to an area as small as your finger tip you can generate as much as 12 times the power

[actionmanrandell]

@pivochagi did you know that just because they use there foot doesnt mean they cant generate as much force infact they can the only reason they use there shin in muay thai is because its a stronger limb so it can withstand much more force not creat more cont

[BakiSonOfOgre]

Tyson In His Prime Had Almost 2000Kg Punch When Randy Got 227kg)))

[actionmanrandell]

@BakiSonOfOgre dude your an idiot 2000kgs is 4409.24524 Pounds there is no way mike tyson can punch with 4409 plus pounds of force

[actionmanrandell]

@BakiSonOfOgre a kickboxer can kick with more force then a boxer and most kickboxers cant even kick with that much force

[BakiSonOfOgre]

@actionmanrandell Can You Please Repeat That Retard Sentence Please !)

[BBFOXHOUND]

imagine spending the wholeday on the ground

[ppbsb]

but the dummy not doing anything, and the person their fighting is highly trained, so they can take the blows. maybe someone who is not trained and not expecting it would result in broken bones etc The could give you an idea but not accurate at all, my opinion.

[mahbabefasho]

hardest kick in Pancrase baby

[TheMattvd1]

omg wheres rampage jackson

[pinas99]

roflmao !!! El Guapo allways makes me piss my pants xD

[ahset]

a bigger guy kicks harder, what else is new.

[actionmanrandell]

@ahset not always true there is another ep where they have a guy alot lighter then bas yet he kicked with well over 2000lbs of force

[GnoixGenp]

u make no sense dude

[GnoixGenp]

the kick at the big took too long. the muay thai kicks are fast but semistrong. The mma kick is strong but is slower due to the lifting of the legs sideways

[baskorvv]

muay thai kick ?? mma stole it ?? they are calling every move now MMA ''Move'' ... mma is stealing everything ... btw bas weighs like 10000 lbs xD

[carlossolorzano1926]

randy courtue and tito ortiz isgay,cow,fuck,suck,soo,bikinb­i sow,bikini hog and cow the two.bye.dana white is gay.

[alien8ted1]

MMA fighters=best athletes in the world

i agree

[vcj13]

you all know what youre talking about

but keap in mind most people dont know

nothing about martial arts !!!

they just talk to talk and think they know whats going on like these experts on TV

[London2ATL]

Thanks for posting this videos, love them

[TheBobblahblah]

Of Course the Muay tai fighter delievered more power. For all other kicks the dummy was allowed to recoil, decreasing their apparent power. I dont think the human body recoils that much in an MMA fight.

[english626]

trust me mate it does lol ive seen alot of fights and had them replayed in slow motion and the recoil is amazing one fight i saw was with nate quarry cant remember who he was fighting tho

[raigami]

"so sweet" (smooch)

BOOM

"you should measure that one too"

lol bas is hilarious!

[chicklover06]

wow randy couture is just 227 kilos or 500 pounds of force but gina carano is 650 pounds of force in punch

[tantoss]

Bas is hilarious!!

[jaycore]

this is alright, but you cant judge boxing or mma based on one person,

[shuriken86]

yea um kicks are harder than pnches, and grappling always happens in a fight therefore MMA fighter would kill a boxer. and the best part about MMA is that its safer but still better than boxing, in boxing fighters turn vegetables when they turn old, MMA fighters dont, MMA is safer yet more exciting sport.

[saskpilsner]

you might like the video ufc vs boxing. boxers think they will knock a wrestler out before he gets a take down.

[halosamuri]

couture hits harder then a heavy weight boxer! haha there u go boxing fanboys u cant argue with the number i love boxing but dont smash talk it MMA IS THE FUTURE! lol

[crouchtrac]

yeah well couture is a light heavy/heavyweight fighter so i wouldn't act surprised by the power of his punch, btw the question is can he box as good as a proffesional?

[halosamuri]

i wasnt aware the was the question but if that is the answer is no he doesnt train boxing singularly like boxers if he did train that was for 8 years or more like he has for MMA then he might be able to

[actionmanrandell]

bull there are plenty of boxers who punch with more force then couture for instance there is one boxer who can punch with 1100 lbs of force aposed to randys 900 plus lbs

[KyleTheBassist123]

i wouldnt start on them O.o

[silentwarrior18x]

Wait... are you saying that is you got one if these guys into a real fight, their impact force would be less?

Ha... dude.

If it were a real fight, their impact force would be about.. TWICE as much if not 3x because of adrenaline flow! If you got into it with one of these guys and they kicked you in the ribs or the head one time, you'd be fucked up and down for the count.

Regardless, the leg can generate about 3 times more force than the arms.

I can't stand when people talk with ignorance..

[crouchtrac]

i agree 100% its the same with boxing, when im sparring the other guy goes full out, it still hurts but when your in a proper bout the punches feel ten times harder.

[Makinso]

The impact in a fight would be less. Like Bas kicks right now. Bas is hitting a non-moving target meaning he can focus his impact.

When you have a moving target you will never hit it at full force since it will move into your kick unabling your legs motion to come to full power.

Vice versa if it moves away your leg will hit after it has reached it's maximum power.

[shadowsniper3]

i beg to differ.

he trains to be able to deliver that maximum amount of force, no matter where his opponent is.

besides, even if he didn't get the full amount of power, his opponent is moving toward him, and so its actually increasing the hitting power, not decreasing it

[actionmanrandell]

u got it wrong u dont know how power is created u have more power when first moving ur body into the attack as your limb travels the power is dispersed into the atmisphere meaning the farther ur leg or are travels the less force is genereated on impact

[aznspikeyguy91]

If u got the muay thai fighter the same weight and size of randy courtour i think the kick would be more devestating from the muay thai fighter, no doubt. Plus all these data is taken frm fighters in a relax position soo wen coming to a real fight, the impact force is less.

[actionmanrandell]

that is a bunch oof crap u can creat more aceleration in a relaxed position meaning u can have more momenum and more force can be generated

[actionmanrandell]

thats not true the muay thai fighter was kneeing the dummy not kicking . the kick bas was doing was moving at an acelerated speed aswell as the torque would be more meanign there still would be more force

[AceofDlamonds]

@actionmanrandell Plus Bas is a heavyweight.....

the muay thai guy was like a light...lol

[actionmanrandell]

@AceofDlamonds your weight has little to do with the amount of force you generate. weight accounts for only around 10% of the equation. studies have been done to show that heavyweight boxers and lightweight boxers have almost the exact same amount of force generated when striking. because where the light guy is light he makes up in speed. the faster an object is moving the heavier it becomes ie a 120lb man moving at speeds of 20 miles per hour is going to have more then a 250lb man at 10mph

[AceofDlamonds]

@actionmanrandell

hey hey slow down a minute....you have to remember ppl like Bas are very efficient strikers that have built up speed over the years....overall, they will almost always hit harder than a much smaller person using the same technique....and no, the light guy doesn't always make up in speed, probably in that particular test which I've never heard of.

Mass = more relative force

[actionmanrandell]

@AceofDlamonds bullshit. the faster you are the more power you generate that is simple physics if you thank otherwise then you are a retard.the average boxer hits with around 850lbs of force even the little guys size only accounts for about 10% of the equation the rest is speed and proper body alienment. bas is a quick striker. he is also very large. but in no way does his size indicate that he will hit harder then someone half his weight.physics state otherwise cont

[actionmanrandell]

@AceofDlamonds cont bruce lee at the peek of his career. weighed 145lbs and had well over 2000lbs of force behind his punch bas ruttens most powerful punch was around 1300lbs of force and bruce lees punching speed was only around 10 miles per hour. what matters more then weight is repetition ie. if i practice a left jab a thousand times a day after 6 months that is 182,500 reps on that one jab. and after 182,500 reps my jab would me far more efficient then the average boxers jab cont

[actionmanrandell]

@AceofDlamonds cont if you look at muay thai boxers. most of them are not that heavy most of them are in the mid 100s yet they can generate extremily high numbers in force. not because of mass but mass times distance times speed plus contact. size alone only accounts for brute force. which is simply a heavy strike but power which is much more then brute force can only be generated by a combanation of mass and speed cont

[actionmanrandell]

@AceofDlamonds cont. physics state that in order to increase the magnitude of your speed you must increase the amount of energy generated in your body. and energy directly translates into force. in a scientific explanation. it requires more force to accelorate your arm to a much quicker speed. and once contact is made all that force generated has no where to go but into your opponent. ie(causing more damage then a strike of half the speed)(even if slower strike has more mass behind it) cont

[actionmanrandell]

@AceofDlamonds cont. my uncle used to teach boxing in his back yard. and one of his students who weighed about 275 lbs would always hit the heavy bag and no matter what none of my uncles students could hit as hard as him. but after months of betting people they couldnt hit as hard as him this girl who weighed no more then 130 walked up and hit the bag so hard it hit the ceiling of the garage the bag was hanging from. cont

[actionmanrandell]

@AceofDlamonds cont. the reason she hit harder was because where he used his weight to his advantage she used proper body alienment and when she striked she was putting almost all of her weight into the strike and accelerating it much faster and as a physicist would say. as an object increases in acceloration it gets heavier.

[AceofDlamonds]

@actionmanrandell

not a fair comparison in this doc nevertheless...

[Celleroth]

@actionmanrandell

If you watch the kick he did again... it wasn't a knee but a full kick. It was the angle of the viewing that made it look like a knee at first.

[RubiaLez]

@actionmanrandell i do muay thai myself and thats not true because you are pulling the body down and kneeing upwards and it even shows in the video and im dutch so im standing for bas haha ;) hes a funny guy :P

[Crossovahh]

Man i wud not like to get kicked by bas.... ddammnnnn

[wangchangyang]

lawl bas is always funny

[samuraiwarrior1988]

the shin is the best and hardest bone hehe kyokushin and muay thai both powerful in shin kicks

[awesomerepublican]

Regarding measuring deflection in the chest during the kick:

The tests were run with the dummy strapped to a stationary seat. However the kick-boxer had the dummy in his arms. That means when the kick-boxer was kneeing the dummy, the dummy had much more room to fall back and thus dissipate the impact. The strapped-in dummy did not have room to flail and thus took all the impact.

If you punch a tennis ball it will fly. If you strap the ball in and punch it, you can flatten it.

[tybonertyj12]

Bas is funny when he kissed and hugged then kneed the dummy

[smoothhoopinal]

LoL, yep. I cracked up at that.

[superjuicebox2]

i like how he says muay thai wrong.

[legendray2008]

I would like George Bush's head to be kicked by Bas!

Yeaaaaah

[simonveen]

haha a mma kick is the same as a muay thai kick, bas rutten fought muay thai before he went into mma...

[actionmanrandell]

no he didnt he was in kyokushin and pankration

[fedeocio]

bas is a karate kyokushin black belt, that kick is not from mma people

[AJATOMICA]

yeah it is

[Greenko666]

This program feels like its more made for promoting MMA, than showing something scientific. Besides how cares wich "the most powerfull martial art is"? This diskussions have been gooing on for years.

[saweet999]

i wish they got mirko to do the kicking, i want to see what numbers that guy can generate

[AJATOMICA]

yeah that would be insane

[actionmanrandell]

mirko cant even kick no where near as powerful as bas he has the most powerful kick in all of mma

[Ckurbe1]

really

[Not2Be0utDone]

hard to believe the muay thai guy didn't do a bone-breaking roundhouse kick but settled for a knee strike. the comparison between bas and the MT guy isn't even accurate, because the weight difference wasn't accounted for..

[fadordo]

I think the MT guy knew what he was doing. He probably thought the knee was more powerfull. He is a world champ. He knows what he was doing there.

[Not2Be0utDone]

if he really was a champ, he'd know a good roundhouse to the head can knock almost anyone out..

[fadordo]

If you want to think you know better then the champ. He can probably hit harder with the knee then with a roundhouse kick. Just google him. His name is Melchor Menor. He is a former 2 time world champ.

[jeepneyproduction]

ooooh@ i wanna see him fight kimbo! :D

[tommmy1d]

He trained kimbo for the ray mercer fight haha.

[jeepneyproduction]

LOL ferreal?

I never knew that ^-^

[tommmy1d]

Yehh theres some videos of it. Just search kimbo slice training by bas rutten.

[cewguy]

@jeepneyproduction bas what beat the shit outta him!

[lordofalltheland]

Bas rutten used to be european muay thai chanpion and he is currently a muay thai instructor so its hardly surprising that he can kick so hard

[pedro7g5]

It's obvious that a KICK would surpass that deflection measure taken from a KNEE strike. Kicks need more space to be effective, therefore kicks take more time to hit the opponent, but deliver massive damage, while knees are short and quicker, and deliver almost the same damage than a kick.

[shiteater209]

wat i like about this program is that it educational and actually entertaining and it doesnt put you to sleep.

[memetoo1]

mmmm mai tai....delicious

[EnchantedSteel]

Is it just my poor hearing or does it sound like the commentator keeps calling it "My thai." It's not just one time either. =P

[Slayix312]

Bas is definetly a very very destructive kicker. Only really surpassed by Mirko I would like to see what "left leg cemetery" can come up with.

[thomasmidas]

not really.. alot of heavyweight kickboxers/nak muay's kick harder than bas and some probably harder than mirko... i know mirko has quite a few highkick k.o's but that dont mean hes the hardest kicker out there.. fighters like peter aerts, jerome le banner, remy bonjasky, semy schilt and alexey ignashov to name a bunch... but anyway there are alot of hard kickers out there... all the guys i named would kick harder than bas... and if not more then a few would kick harder than mirko..

[mano2116]

peter aerst and R.I.P. Andy hug kick harder...

that doesnt meant that bas didnt kick hard :)

[Smurf209]

The size and weight difference of the MMA to other martial arts participants is huge! I am sure that Bas is 150 lbs heavier than any Thai Muay Thai champion (that they claim they tested on) Who were these champions that they mentioned?

Incomplete.

[gentorz]

bas is 205 lbs and the thai is minmum of 160lbs.

[Smurf209]

I take it back. If Bas is 205, then the so called "Thai Champ" is 140 at best. (carrying another man)

[gentorz]

the thai is minimum of 160lbs.

[blkedwashedazn]

150 pounds? U kidding. U got some grudge against mma or something, stop being obessesive of trying to make Mua Thai the best martial arts...

[Smurf209]

Where did you read where I said Muay Thai was better? They are making "claims" on a style of fighting without even giving real stats. Take for instance how all but Tito's stats are told. They should be comparing the FIGHTER and not the art. Mixed Martial Arts is a MIXTURE of many arts, and NOT it's own. If you read BOOKS or practiced martial arts you would know this. Can't learn the real stuff from Spike Tv, son.

[blkedwashedazn]

Its obvious we can tell the difference between each fighter and how bigger they are. They are all professional at their fighting style anyhow. What does it matter to you? Getting all wild up by a video. If you dont like it dont watch it. Don't go ranting about how bad the video is. Im sorry National geographic and all other people arent all educated in fighthing like you, of course you know it all. End of convo, this will get us nowhere ur apparently pissed off anyhow

[Smurf209]

You're right? Best to endorse a video containing wrong information and not point out it's mistakes then to correct or point these mistakes out? LMAO.

[tommmy1d]

If you watch the other fight science episodes, you will see that size doesnt matter.

A small ninja created more force on the vc then a karate master did with a baseball bat, and he was quite large.

[emixolydian]

@tommmy1d of course size matters.

[HIVisaLIE]

@blkedwashedazn muay thai is for fags

[CACHINFLIN7]

dont matter, have u seen this kids in thailand training since 8 or younger I bet ur ass they can knock the shit out of u...or me

[lordsinistro]

i hate is video of Martial Arts!!! i good the play grand chase!!!

[tommmy1d]

do you speak english?

[matrix17s]

WHAT?

[driescraenen]

Bas is a beast + he's a realy funny guy: Check out his self defence video, hilarious :)

[bta698]

"Dont you ever... BANG... talk to my wife...CLANG...like that...PING...again!!"

HA!

[werewolfhitman]

thank you1!!!!!!

aaaaaaaahhhhhh

[rezwanborja]

thx 4 posting agen

[pakotee]

in portugal the mixed martial art, i belive that means "vale tudo" very good, good post ;)

[Nregua4]

its the same thing, but i think vale tudo means "everything is allowd" or sumtin.

[lordbukake]

it means exactly that