WTF Nicolablm? What do you mean their last battle? FOr the record, the Light Horse were eventually issued with sabres but prior to that they used their Lee Enfield 'sword' bayonets in hand until they dismounted - doesn't take long to get a bayonet on the rifle particularly if hte bayonet is already drawn. Anyway what a ride. It makes the hair on the back of my neck stand on end. If anyone doubts the power of a cavalry charge, stand at the rail of a racetrack and you will feel what I mean.
For the life of me, I will never ever understand the military tactic of cavalry charges in bygone wars. The insanity of riding flat out into the direct line of enemy fire. The sheer and utter waste of life of both horse and man. Gunned down in a matter of a few short minutes. Ludicrous.
The story is based on fact - Its a movie - Movies seem to exaggerate the events, don't they? The Turks were tough buggers and so were the Aussies -- Now we are friends - The Turks are now invited to march with us on ANZAC day, why? because we respect them and they respect us - No war crimes were committed against each other.
i think it is a universal rule: whoever makes the movies, they let their guys to win the hand-to-hand/bayonet wars... aussies are so strong that not a single one is killed in one-to-one bayonet fight.. lol..
@baristhealienated Keep in mind, however, the Australians only lost about thirty guys in the charge. Also remember the movie does show Australians getting killed plenty of times before the bayonet fighting, as well as by grenades during.
@HenryvKeiper this is the thing. our guys can be killed only by bullets and grenades but not by bayonets. because we are the chevaliers, they are the idiotic impotents. dont get me wrong, i think it is quiete common thing for war movies in general. only big exception is the saving private ryan. (btw, if you check the book on the gallipoli war by australian writers called hart&steel, you would see the anzac accounts describing the surprise facing the courage of turkish soldiers)
Love all the battlefield tacticians here (lol) Fact is at that moment the charge was mounted as a last resort with solid and defiant strategy behind it. The sun glittered bayonets waved by the lighthorseman is legendary for provoking fear amongst the Turks...And it was against the odds that they rode into history in one of the worlds last great cavalry charges. In hindsight of later history etc say what you like. At that moment it wouldn't have mattered if they were facing Caesers Legions.....
@fraserelliottguitar of course thats why fighting was done differently in WW2, because the tactics that they used for WW1 were originally from a time when rifles were still one shot and machine guns did not exist
@irishgodfatherchris Well even in WW1 people quickly realised that you couldn't charge in with horses any more. But by WW2 the offensive techniques and weapons overpowered the change in defensive technology, ie machine guns.
@fraserelliottguitar cavalry charges are sill current hell even the US during the early days of Afghanistan used them to break through Taliban positions
@fraserelliottguitar Cavalry charges were a commonplace tactic up until the later years of WW2, in fact, the German Army in WW2 fielded more horses than in WW1. Cavalry is a fast and effective way of repositioning troops and mounting a fast attack, and can close with the enemy faster than infantry. They were also much cheaper than armoured vehicles. Not to mention you dont need to oil a horse or find petrol for them.
@Y2KillerSPOOBLY But it was much more preferable, especially as it would fit in with the Blitzkrieg tactics much better, to use tanks. The favourite tactic of the Wehrmacht was to bomb a place first planes, quickly followed by tanks then by infantry to clear any houses.
I find it extremely funny how in films they show soldiers firing without fixed bayonets then when the hand to hand fighting starts the blades would just miraculously appeared fixed on the rifles...zzz Anyway, gd film thanks for the upload!
@arthurpendragonsyt Ha! You know I'd never noticed it in this film before, after all the times I'd seen it. I have seen that in movies before, though, so I know exactly what you're talking about. The biggest I ever noticed it was in "Glory", when the regiment has their first battle. They fire with bayonets unfixed, then literally like one second later they have bayonets armed.
I thought unsupported Cavalry charges were obsolete....in the 1600 with the pike and shot. Just seems a bit unlikely artillery, entrenched infantry and machine guns would fall to light horse.
@HDMovieScenes "They're not cavalry, they're Australian light horse!" But also, they were helped by a balance of things: 1) artillery support during the charge; 2) the Turks forgetting to check their sites as they drew closer.
@HenryvKeiper True...HD Movie scenes:Make your self clear:Almost all great and inexpected victorys of the last century based on speed, effectiveness and a good dose of madness....just look at what was done allmost at the same place 50 jears later!
@darthroden I've never been in battle, although I've had large animals charge at me head-on, so yes, I imagine I wouldn't be able to think straight. I certainly didn't mean to imply the Turks were poor soldiers in toto.
LOL Don't worry I did not imply that you thought so, merely pointing out why they didn't check their sights. The only thought those guys had were that 500+ screaming Aussies were charging at full gallop against them with sword-sized bayonets waving and doing what they could to stop them.
No there is no fault in either the British, German or Turkish soldiers, under the circumstances they fought with honor given the situation.
@darthroden The Walers were probably the best cavalry horses in the world at that time. It's a shame that they were mostly left behind and we lost most of their bloodlines.
"2) the Turks forgetting to check their sites as they drew closer."
This was invented for the purpose of this move. In fact they didn't forget. And by the way - forgetting or not = 20 more or less killed cavalrymen = not a big difference.
@flybager Oops, I meant to write "sights," I think. It's the little things on rifles that help you aim with greater accuracy at various ranges. They still have 'em on some guns today.
@HDMovieScenes Normally the Aussie Light Horse would dismount from their horses and fight as infantry, but this situation was one of only a few in WW1 that required urgent and decisive action. If Beersheba didn't fall by the end of that day thousands of British, Aussie & Kiwi soldiers may have died in the desert of dehydration. Beersheba was strategic in Palestine because of the water/ wells. The charge was made with only an hour of daylight left as a desperate last resort, and succeeded
@Tomenable Light horseman are mounted riflemen. ie. they ride to within about a mile of their target then dismount. Cavalry do all their fighting on horseback because that's what they're trained to do.
No - 20th century cavalry fought mainly dismounted. For example Polish formations called cavalry in 1939 did 99% of their fightings while dismounted. So the only difference is different name.
BTW - these light horsemen did not dismount a mile of their target. As you can see they carried out a mounted charge and only when they were already behind enemy positions and behind routing enemies, some of them dismounted. Not a mile away from enemy positions.
@Tomenable fair point, but as has been pointed out the ALH were not cavalry, they're mounted infantry, they used horses for convenience ands transport rather than battle
In this attack yes they did carry out a mounted charge, but that is the reason why the Turks and Germans were caught off guard. Light horsemen were trained to dismount and fight on foot prior to engaging an enemy, they weren't equipt to launch a 'cavalry charge.' In this instance they were improvising, using bayonets as swords and attacking in a way that was completely unexpected by the enemy.
@Briselance its negligible the 4th Light Horse Brigade which is who this movie is based around only lost 31 men, but there were about 1,200 allied troops killed
@Briselance The movie depicts the actual number killed and wounded, there was much effort made to preserve the death and memory of the men who fell. In the larger battle as a whole (the charge only one part of a larger whole) the 1200 casualties. In relation to the charge it was by the 4th Light Horse Brigade with only two of its regiments the 4th and 12th Regiments. Of these two regiments 67 casualties were sustained; 31 killed and 36 wounded.
Interesting. Charge by dragoons, who normally fought as infantry. Hard to shoot a carbine from the back of a horse if you haven't trained to do it. Seems like a good idea to get across the open ground as fast as possible. My recollection of the historical battle is that Allenby had his corps artillery assets support this attack, that is he concentrated his artillery on the target of the cavalry charge before their impact.
Interesting. Charge by dragoons, who normally fought as infantry. Hard to shoot a carbine from the back of a horse if you haven't trained to do it. Seems like a good idea to get across the open ground as fast as possible. My recollection of the historical battle is that Allenby had his corps artillery assets support this attack, that is he concentrated his artillery on the target of the cavalry charge before their impact.
Interesting. Charge by dragoons, who normally fought as infantry. Hard to shoot a carbine from the back of a horse if you haven't trained to do it. Seems like a good idea to get across the open ground as fast as possible. My recollection of the historical battle is that Allenby had his corps artillery assets support this attack, that is he concentrated his artillery on the target of the cavalry charge before their impact,
@TheLiberalTurkey this was a very well researched film, and the whole battle was very well documented from soldier journals and archives. Don't think they would do all this just for propaganda.
@TheLiberalTurkey Propaganda ?, haha the Australian light horse slaughtered the Turks at every turn, the Turks refused to fight them in the end you fool
@TheLiberalTurkey Sorry to disillusion you, mate ... but it really did happen this way. My father's uncle actually took part in the charge, and this is exactly what he described in his book.
@TheLiberalTurkey why is it then that the Turkish men who fought against them held them in such high regard as warriors? PEACE TO ALL WHO FOUGHT AND DIED IN THE CONFLICT, after all. we are all Gods men.
lol at the idiot officer saying they wont charge, did he think 800 tough aussie men and horses from the bush were going to prance around on the hill like a bunch of girls at pony club.proud to be an aussie. lest we forget.
@soundrecordist69 The Lighthorsemen were mounted infantry, not cavalry - so they almost never charged on horseback. The most common tactic for them was to ride to their destination and then dismount, continuing on foot. So the officer wasn't so much an idiot, he was just stating what was expected at that time.
The thing that some people are overlooking is that despite what many claim, cavalry did evolve with the times. The traditional lancers and hussars rarely played a signifficant role in a battle after 1915, most cavalry battles in WWI, even in 1914, involved mounted riflemen. Allied cavalry were trained to use rifles while on horseback, in the battle of Mons, the Germans actually thought that they were under constant machine gun fire due to the marksmanship of the mounted riflemen.
@watzman123321123321 They were using German machine gun tactics and a number of German and Austro-Hungarian officers. The fact is that this attack took place as part of an all arms operation. The cheif part of this battle not displayed is the extent of British Suppresing fire keeping the gunner's heads down so the charge could form up.
...and the inability of the entrenched infantry to shoot this assault to pieces in broad daylight with machine guns. No wonder the Germans were surprised as hell. Bravo Australians, but 99 times out of 100 despite all the courage in the world this would turn out to be a disaster.
@zsqpwxxeh Definitely a combination of bravery and dumb luck - part of the dumb luck being the fact that the Turkish soldiers didn't change their sights, hence most of the time (after the 1800-meter mark) they were shooting over the Australians' heads :)
@bartieboy93 I dont think WW1 tanks could have mastered the job, at least not the models avalaible in the Middle East in 1917. THe tanks they got were often more primative than those used in Europe (Mark I & II as opposed to Mark IV). Also the slow advances of artillery and infantry attacks acheived alot of success in other parts of the line, the battle plan origionally called for dismounted main attack with mounted supporting attacks. Still a tribute to excellence ot the flexible plan
@bartieboy93 Yeah I recon the French tank was superior, especially for one that could go over rougher ground and outpace the guns firing, althoug maybe with support. Cavalry charges still happened though the ALH had already done a few and after this did a few more. It had to be a measured thing though. In Europe in the 1918 cavalry came back and played a decisive role in a few incidents.
"I recon the French tank was superior, especially for one that could go over rougher ground and outpace the guns firing, althoug maybe with support"
Check out the FT-17 tank on Wikipedia and take a look at the armor and speed of this tank. Then you'll see that, even though it can withstand shrapnells and any small arms fire (I mean fire from weapons of .303 cal), on such a flat ground as in Beersheba, the FT-17 would have been nothing but a training target for Turkish field gun crews.
@Briselance The assumption was that the French tank could have participated in the role as a mobile arm rather than a combat attack vehicle like the ones used during this battle ouside Gaza. The French tank was quieter, faster and had harder to indentify from the air (less of a signature). In the flank attack they would have been useful is what I was saying. The Turks were shocked to find British cavarly formations outside of Beersheba. Also what you dont see is the loads of supresin fire
I'm French, and I know a few things about the FT-17.
It has a top speed of 7 kilometers (or roughly 4,37 miles) per hour, which is the speed of an average infantryman, fully equipped and armed, not running until out of breath but walking a steady pace. All this was adapted for WW1 western front, with no man's lands full of shells craters, hills and all ; adapted for a ground with a certain cover from enemy guncrews' sight. But certainly not for such a flat plain as depicted here.
@zsqpwxxeh As a matter of fact, it was partly that. Turkish machine guns that opened fire from the left (which might have inflicted heavy casualties) were quickly silenced by a battery of horse artillery.
Maybe this is addressed in other comments, but Beersheba is in a desert. Horses need to be watered constantly, so it's a matter of shifting from point to point, oasis to oasis. If you blow the horses away from water, they die quickly from dehydration. As I understand it, this charge was a great surprise to the (German-officered) Turks. If the Australians didn't get the town, they would lose all their cavalry immediately. That, plus the full gallop for a couple of klicks...
@zsqpwxxeh The operation as a whole (since it is the 3rd Battle of Gaza) and was an attempt to turn the flank (at Beersheba) to roll up the positions around Gaza. There was signficant break-ins along the front but Beersheba was needed so that cavarly could envelop the flank and produce a general break-through. The town was suposed to be taken by surprise and the elaborate deception worked. The taking of the town by charge did surprise the Germans since they though they...
@fp470 ...classed the Light Horse as mounted infantry. Had the attack failed surviors would have been minimal, but this was an attack of only 1200 men from the Anzac Mounted Division. Had the attack failed they would have brought up reserves units or had to break off the action overall. This probably would have resulted in a series of tactical withdrawls by the German-Turkish forces and the battle for Gaza would still have raged on. The result is too hard to guess.
@zsqpwxxeh As for the horses being watered. The attack needed to happen in this manner partially due to the fact that a retirement would have resulted in some a number of brigades loosing an great deal of horses. The British in this operation had pushed forward a pipline, so total death would not have been the case, but a number of horses would have fell out of the line for sure. The Germans did not know about said pipeline so it was a shock for them.
You can have your Polish cavalry... give me the Lighthorsemen from Down Under any old day! Ten will get you twenty that if these boys had been lurking across the Polish border on 9/1/39, they'd have given Hitler's Blitzkriegers a sleepless night or three...
@andrewniles1 Actually, the Russians had cavalry in WWII, and even in the invasion of Afghanistan you had incidents where Taliban defenses were overrun by cavalry - even with some American special forces on horseback :)
@gnarkillkicksass Yes they are a form of cavarly called Mounted Rifles. They were eventually upgraded to full cavalry in 1918 and given swords for the operations against the Turks in Syria
You don't get "upgraded" to cavalry. It would have been a re-designation. Cavalry and Lighthorse are not differentiated by their weapons but by their roles. As a reservist in 2/14LH I can tell you - we're not bloody cavalry nor ever have been.
@gnarkillkicksass The LIghtHorse were a form of cavalry. They specifically were a form of amateur or abbreviated cavarly as they were part of a citizen-solider army and as such could not reach the standard to commit to arme blanche action. The Light Horse did perform a number of cavarly roles and were considred cavalry, but a specific type. I never said they got to be cavarly because they got sword but went from one type of cavarly to another.
@gnarkillkicksass Furthermore the designation of the LightHorse to other form of service in the interwar years would of course change modern interpretations of the current LIghtHorse regiments. Your reserve regiment would, of course, not be cavalry. It is a point of contention and recent debate that has labelled the Light Horse as being cavarly, but they were formed by Lt. Col Hutton in 1905 as such
They took the guns because they had to set back up after being moved back due to the round of artillery fire that had been bombarding the town. Also th troops had to get back into position after coming out of shelters.
This was a big gamble and it payed massive divedends. Truly the battle hinged upon the charge. But thank god the charge was not isolated
waltzing matilda and into legend are the best songs abvout this. the pogues and fortress, into legend brings tears tom my eyes when i watch it with the movie. there are no better men.
Such a sad fact that Australian war history is not a part of our compulsory education program, most Australians have little or no knowledge of the achievements of our diggers, with a loss of around 30 men out of 800 and a war saving goal made in 3 hrs, the rest of the allies had tried to achieve for months, surely this should be highlighted to our children maybe it would instill a little more national identity and pride
Magnificent! The real logistical problem the Australians encountered, much more pressing than lack of water, was the procurement of 800 odd very large and strong horses able to move at speed while carrying men possessed of such very large... mm... courage.
The Kraut Military 'Advisers' - actually the Bosses who gave the Turks their real tactical-orders at Beersheba, are reputed to have said : "Ach Du Lieber .. zose are not mere Britisch Cavalry who are charging us .. it's much verse .. it's those bloody Australian Light Horsemen !! Gott In Himmell !! How can vee devendt dis position against such magnificent fighting men !! Donner und Blitzen !! Unfurl zie Vhite Flahgs !! Mach Schnell !! Go, you Aussies !! Give 'em the cold steel.
Far to many people died that day. From both sides, I'm an Australian and know what those Diggers sacrificed, but I also realize what the Turkish men also sacrificed. They just chose the wrong side.
Sort of a happy coincidence. I was talking to an Australian friend who mentioned it was Anzac Day, and I remembered how much I liked this movie, so I decided to upload some scenes :)
fucking GOOD horses ,fucking Good rifles and fucking GOOd men
C906070 2 weeks ago
WTF Nicolablm? What do you mean their last battle? FOr the record, the Light Horse were eventually issued with sabres but prior to that they used their Lee Enfield 'sword' bayonets in hand until they dismounted - doesn't take long to get a bayonet on the rifle particularly if hte bayonet is already drawn. Anyway what a ride. It makes the hair on the back of my neck stand on end. If anyone doubts the power of a cavalry charge, stand at the rail of a racetrack and you will feel what I mean.
Larrikins54 2 weeks ago
For the life of me, I will never ever understand the military tactic of cavalry charges in bygone wars. The insanity of riding flat out into the direct line of enemy fire. The sheer and utter waste of life of both horse and man. Gunned down in a matter of a few short minutes. Ludicrous.
MegaOlympians 3 weeks ago
@MegaOlympians umm, are you sure this is the right video to post that comment on? this charge was a resounding success.
bh5496 3 weeks ago
@bh5496 Cavalry charges in general.
MegaOlympians 2 weeks ago
Nothing like a nice cavalry charge to wake your ass up in the morning. I love shit like this!!!!
tinkerbellsbutler 3 weeks ago 2
The story is based on fact - Its a movie - Movies seem to exaggerate the events, don't they? The Turks were tough buggers and so were the Aussies -- Now we are friends - The Turks are now invited to march with us on ANZAC day, why? because we respect them and they respect us - No war crimes were committed against each other.
TKD344 1 month ago
i think it is a universal rule: whoever makes the movies, they let their guys to win the hand-to-hand/bayonet wars... aussies are so strong that not a single one is killed in one-to-one bayonet fight.. lol..
baristhealienated 1 month ago
@baristhealienated Keep in mind, however, the Australians only lost about thirty guys in the charge. Also remember the movie does show Australians getting killed plenty of times before the bayonet fighting, as well as by grenades during.
HenryvKeiper 1 month ago
@HenryvKeiper this is the thing. our guys can be killed only by bullets and grenades but not by bayonets. because we are the chevaliers, they are the idiotic impotents. dont get me wrong, i think it is quiete common thing for war movies in general. only big exception is the saving private ryan. (btw, if you check the book on the gallipoli war by australian writers called hart&steel, you would see the anzac accounts describing the surprise facing the courage of turkish soldiers)
baristhealienated 1 month ago
australian first battle and last hahahahaha
Nikolablm 1 month ago
Love all the battlefield tacticians here (lol) Fact is at that moment the charge was mounted as a last resort with solid and defiant strategy behind it. The sun glittered bayonets waved by the lighthorseman is legendary for provoking fear amongst the Turks...And it was against the odds that they rode into history in one of the worlds last great cavalry charges. In hindsight of later history etc say what you like. At that moment it wouldn't have mattered if they were facing Caesers Legions.....
jagerfaust2009 2 months ago
Poor horses, dragged into a war started by stupid men. We humans can be so destructive.
booksrule0240 2 months ago
All of these tactics seem far too Napoleonic. Why would you charge towards a machine gun?
fraserelliottguitar 2 months ago
@fraserelliottguitar of course thats why fighting was done differently in WW2, because the tactics that they used for WW1 were originally from a time when rifles were still one shot and machine guns did not exist
irishgodfatherchris 2 months ago
@irishgodfatherchris Well even in WW1 people quickly realised that you couldn't charge in with horses any more. But by WW2 the offensive techniques and weapons overpowered the change in defensive technology, ie machine guns.
fraserelliottguitar 2 months ago
@fraserelliottguitar cavalry charges are sill current hell even the US during the early days of Afghanistan used them to break through Taliban positions
irishgodfatherchris 2 months ago
@irishgodfatherchris Why would you use cavalry charges when you can use better armoured things with better weapons?
fraserelliottguitar 2 months ago
@fraserelliottguitar it spreads out your enemy's target, an armoured car is an easier target to hit with grenade launcher than a horse is
irishgodfatherchris 2 months ago
@fraserelliottguitar Cavalry charges were a commonplace tactic up until the later years of WW2, in fact, the German Army in WW2 fielded more horses than in WW1. Cavalry is a fast and effective way of repositioning troops and mounting a fast attack, and can close with the enemy faster than infantry. They were also much cheaper than armoured vehicles. Not to mention you dont need to oil a horse or find petrol for them.
Y2KillerSPOOBLY 2 months ago
@Y2KillerSPOOBLY But it was much more preferable, especially as it would fit in with the Blitzkrieg tactics much better, to use tanks. The favourite tactic of the Wehrmacht was to bomb a place first planes, quickly followed by tanks then by infantry to clear any houses.
fraserelliottguitar 2 months ago
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splattermark 2 months ago
I find it extremely funny how in films they show soldiers firing without fixed bayonets then when the hand to hand fighting starts the blades would just miraculously appeared fixed on the rifles...zzz Anyway, gd film thanks for the upload!
arthurpendragonsyt 3 months ago
@arthurpendragonsyt Ha! You know I'd never noticed it in this film before, after all the times I'd seen it. I have seen that in movies before, though, so I know exactly what you're talking about. The biggest I ever noticed it was in "Glory", when the regiment has their first battle. They fire with bayonets unfixed, then literally like one second later they have bayonets armed.
HenryvKeiper 3 months ago
I love Tas "Who do you reckon is shooting at us? The Turks or the stupid bloody poms?" pity he died :-(
Lilyjaye73 3 months ago
"Fire!"
BOOM!
"Shit!"
That pretty well sums up combat.
jlewisda 4 months ago
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Jeez, if you could choose your own death.....
verfugbarkite 4 months ago
Lol, they forgot to adjust their sights, the rounds would be going over them, ahah.
TaZ101SAGA 5 months ago
Such an amazing movie. I love being Australian
damosanchex 6 months ago
Fucking Germans, they always know best !!!!!
Plus , the fucking Aussies could not have done it without BRITISH artillery support
MrCagivaman 7 months ago
Fucking Germans, they always know best !!!!!
MrCagivaman 7 months ago
FIX BAYONETS!!!!
boazandjiacinth 8 months ago
oh i get it. the german is the bad guy. thats new lol
Blindanddumb 8 months ago
This is my favorite part about the war against the Ottoman Empire.
rickyrpcampeador 8 months ago
I must have been a nightmare taking care of all those horses, both in real life and in making the movie.
warwatcher91 8 months ago
Hard motherfuckers. Respect.
Y2KillerSPOOBLY 8 months ago
I just learned some great -uncles in The Lighthorsemen....better watch the movie to know what it was about!!
uppanadam74 9 months ago
Unsheathing bayonets at 6 min 11sec makes the hair stand up on your neck - These men were the greatest in Australian history.
Lest we forget
randomlook 9 months ago
horses vs planes autilery machineguns and rifle's hmmmm???
2southdragon 9 months ago
I thought unsupported Cavalry charges were obsolete....in the 1600 with the pike and shot. Just seems a bit unlikely artillery, entrenched infantry and machine guns would fall to light horse.
HDMovieScenes 9 months ago
@HDMovieScenes "They're not cavalry, they're Australian light horse!" But also, they were helped by a balance of things: 1) artillery support during the charge; 2) the Turks forgetting to check their sites as they drew closer.
HenryvKeiper 9 months ago 6
@HenryvKeiper oh yeah, i forgot, the guts it would have taken to ride at full pace into an army??
boazandjiacinth 9 months ago
@HenryvKeiper True...HD Movie scenes:Make your self clear:Almost all great and inexpected victorys of the last century based on speed, effectiveness and a good dose of madness....just look at what was done allmost at the same place 50 jears later!
Waelser93 8 months ago
@HenryvKeiper
Could you blame those Turks? If you saw that charging at you, I think you wouldn't be able to think straight either, few men could.
What amazes me is the fact those horses went days without water and was able to run at that speed for that long a period of time.
darthroden 7 months ago
@darthroden I've never been in battle, although I've had large animals charge at me head-on, so yes, I imagine I wouldn't be able to think straight. I certainly didn't mean to imply the Turks were poor soldiers in toto.
HenryvKeiper 7 months ago
@HenryvKeiper
LOL Don't worry I did not imply that you thought so, merely pointing out why they didn't check their sights. The only thought those guys had were that 500+ screaming Aussies were charging at full gallop against them with sword-sized bayonets waving and doing what they could to stop them.
No there is no fault in either the British, German or Turkish soldiers, under the circumstances they fought with honor given the situation.
darthroden 7 months ago
@darthroden The Walers were probably the best cavalry horses in the world at that time. It's a shame that they were mostly left behind and we lost most of their bloodlines.
Cadeyrnable 3 months ago
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@HenryvKeiper
"2) the Turks forgetting to check their sites as they drew closer."
This was invented for the purpose of this move. In fact they didn't forget. And by the way - forgetting or not = 20 more or less killed cavalrymen = not a big difference.
Tomenable 6 months ago
@HenryvKeiper Whats a 'site'..?
flybager 3 months ago
@flybager Oops, I meant to write "sights," I think. It's the little things on rifles that help you aim with greater accuracy at various ranges. They still have 'em on some guns today.
HenryvKeiper 3 months ago
@HenryvKeiper oh yeah, now i understand xD
i saw the part where they indeed forgot to change their sights, but çi had no idea what 'sites' where :p
thanks for responding!
flybager 3 months ago
@HenryvKeiper ah but the turks forgot to check due to the stress caused by the speeding lighthorse charging at them.
bh5496 3 weeks ago
@HDMovieScenes Normally the Aussie Light Horse would dismount from their horses and fight as infantry, but this situation was one of only a few in WW1 that required urgent and decisive action. If Beersheba didn't fall by the end of that day thousands of British, Aussie & Kiwi soldiers may have died in the desert of dehydration. Beersheba was strategic in Palestine because of the water/ wells. The charge was made with only an hour of daylight left as a desperate last resort, and succeeded
wattlebough 9 months ago
@HDMovieScenes funny thing though, they did!!
boazandjiacinth 7 months ago
@HDMovieScenes
Well - you thought it wrongly.
As for "they are not cavalry, they are light horse" - what's the difference ????
Tomenable 6 months ago
@Tomenable Light horseman are mounted riflemen. ie. they ride to within about a mile of their target then dismount. Cavalry do all their fighting on horseback because that's what they're trained to do.
irishgodfatherchris 6 months ago
@irishgodfatherchris
No - 20th century cavalry fought mainly dismounted. For example Polish formations called cavalry in 1939 did 99% of their fightings while dismounted. So the only difference is different name.
BTW - these light horsemen did not dismount a mile of their target. As you can see they carried out a mounted charge and only when they were already behind enemy positions and behind routing enemies, some of them dismounted. Not a mile away from enemy positions.
Tomenable 6 months ago
@Tomenable fair point, but as has been pointed out the ALH were not cavalry, they're mounted infantry, they used horses for convenience ands transport rather than battle
irishgodfatherchris 6 months ago
@irishgodfatherchris
Yeah - but in this case they charged in an "old good cavalry style" :P.
Tomenable 6 months ago
In this attack yes they did carry out a mounted charge, but that is the reason why the Turks and Germans were caught off guard. Light horsemen were trained to dismount and fight on foot prior to engaging an enemy, they weren't equipt to launch a 'cavalry charge.' In this instance they were improvising, using bayonets as swords and attacking in a way that was completely unexpected by the enemy.
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Tomenable 6 months ago
Brings a tear to my eye and a lump in my throat every time! So proud of my fellow Australians and just in awe of their courage!
Guster1973 10 months ago
How many Aussie troopers were killed during this battle ?
(IRL, not in the movie)
Briselance 10 months ago
@Briselance its negligible the 4th Light Horse Brigade which is who this movie is based around only lost 31 men, but there were about 1,200 allied troops killed
irishgodfatherchris 10 months ago
@Briselance The movie depicts the actual number killed and wounded, there was much effort made to preserve the death and memory of the men who fell. In the larger battle as a whole (the charge only one part of a larger whole) the 1200 casualties. In relation to the charge it was by the 4th Light Horse Brigade with only two of its regiments the 4th and 12th Regiments. Of these two regiments 67 casualties were sustained; 31 killed and 36 wounded.
fp470 10 months ago
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Interesting. Charge by dragoons, who normally fought as infantry. Hard to shoot a carbine from the back of a horse if you haven't trained to do it. Seems like a good idea to get across the open ground as fast as possible. My recollection of the historical battle is that Allenby had his corps artillery assets support this attack, that is he concentrated his artillery on the target of the cavalry charge before their impact.
lebarosky 11 months ago
Interesting. Charge by dragoons, who normally fought as infantry. Hard to shoot a carbine from the back of a horse if you haven't trained to do it. Seems like a good idea to get across the open ground as fast as possible. My recollection of the historical battle is that Allenby had his corps artillery assets support this attack, that is he concentrated his artillery on the target of the cavalry charge before their impact.
lebarosky 11 months ago
Interesting. Charge by dragoons, who normally fought as infantry. Hard to shoot a carbine from the back of a horse if you haven't trained to do it. Seems like a good idea to get across the open ground as fast as possible. My recollection of the historical battle is that Allenby had his corps artillery assets support this attack, that is he concentrated his artillery on the target of the cavalry charge before their impact,
lebarosky 11 months ago
Does that guy ever get tired of being wrong?
braccheus1 11 months ago
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in this movie australians look like supermans looool :) the best propaganda every seen
TheLiberalTurkey 1 year ago
@TheLiberalTurkey Yeah, they sure do look like supermen as they're getting killed...
This is hardly propaganda, given the anti-war message seen in the rest of the film. Watch the entire thing before making blanket statements.
HenryvKeiper 1 year ago 17
@HenryvKeiper Well done with the reply, i wish people apart from watching the movie, would check the facts first.
Robjillt 8 months ago
@TheLiberalTurkey this was a very well researched film, and the whole battle was very well documented from soldier journals and archives. Don't think they would do all this just for propaganda.
glooer 1 year ago
@TheLiberalTurkey Propaganda ?, haha the Australian light horse slaughtered the Turks at every turn, the Turks refused to fight them in the end you fool
joelizm321 1 year ago
@TheLiberalTurkey Sorry to disillusion you, mate ... but it really did happen this way. My father's uncle actually took part in the charge, and this is exactly what he described in his book.
roseanne74 10 months ago
@TheLiberalTurkey
Soooo...You're saying that the Lighthorse DIDN'T charge and DIDN'T take Beersheba? I want to know what the propoganda is.
The2ndFirst 10 months ago
@TheLiberalTurkey why is it then that the Turkish men who fought against them held them in such high regard as warriors? PEACE TO ALL WHO FOUGHT AND DIED IN THE CONFLICT, after all. we are all Gods men.
boazandjiacinth 9 months ago
@TheLiberalTurkey they look like superheros because back in the day they fucking were cunt.
xelvargx 8 months ago
@TheLiberalTurkey We are supermen! Bitch!
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lol at the idiot officer saying they wont charge, did he think 800 tough aussie men and horses from the bush were going to prance around on the hill like a bunch of girls at pony club.proud to be an aussie. lest we forget.
soundrecordist69 1 year ago 10
@soundrecordist69 The Lighthorsemen were mounted infantry, not cavalry - so they almost never charged on horseback. The most common tactic for them was to ride to their destination and then dismount, continuing on foot. So the officer wasn't so much an idiot, he was just stating what was expected at that time.
HenryvKeiper 1 year ago 3
@HenryvKeiper yes but in war you should assume nothing and be ready for anything.
irishgodfatherchris 10 months ago
@soundrecordist69 not bloody wrong mate aussie pride lest we forget
ssqad5 11 months ago
A bit of MAN vs BEAST vs MACHINE... Love this film. God Bless the ANZACS from the U.S.
pauta9 1 year ago
i thought they used jeeps
happygamestvfun1 1 year ago
@happygamestvfun1 Huh? Jeeps weren't even invented by then, far as I know.
HenryvKeiper 1 year ago 3
The thing that some people are overlooking is that despite what many claim, cavalry did evolve with the times. The traditional lancers and hussars rarely played a signifficant role in a battle after 1915, most cavalry battles in WWI, even in 1914, involved mounted riflemen. Allied cavalry were trained to use rifles while on horseback, in the battle of Mons, the Germans actually thought that they were under constant machine gun fire due to the marksmanship of the mounted riflemen.
MVillani1985 1 year ago
No Prisoners! NOO Prisoners!!!
Scripzing 1 year ago
with the german mg strats they would have killed them all...i mean they were easy targets
watzman123321123321 1 year ago
@watzman123321123321 They didn't but. This is a true story.
WTF7176 1 year ago
@watzman123321123321 They were using German machine gun tactics and a number of German and Austro-Hungarian officers. The fact is that this attack took place as part of an all arms operation. The cheif part of this battle not displayed is the extent of British Suppresing fire keeping the gunner's heads down so the charge could form up.
fp470 1 year ago
10:00 : It looks like the Aussie is taunting the Turk, when he (the Aussie) taps the Turk's bayonet with his.
Briselance 1 year ago
The clip hangs at 1:06
woodbinedrinker 1 year ago
@woodbinedrinker What do you mean? It looks fine.
HenryvKeiper 1 year ago
Lol, the Turks must've thought the Aussies were bulletproof.
whowantsabighug 1 year ago
The Light Horsemen had ball's, riding into cannon and machine gun fire like that..
they made the nation of Australia proud, makes me (and many others) proud to be Australian.
hot318 1 year ago
@hot318 where you from in AU, I'm from CO in the USA
creampuffrus 1 year ago
@creampuffrus I am from Warradale AU but i weas born in Limericl Ireland but both of my parents are Australia - Ireish
kiabrite13 1 year ago
Look out everyone here come the Lighthorsemen to save the world against these nasty Aussie speaking Turks
markrjg 1 year ago
...and the inability of the entrenched infantry to shoot this assault to pieces in broad daylight with machine guns. No wonder the Germans were surprised as hell. Bravo Australians, but 99 times out of 100 despite all the courage in the world this would turn out to be a disaster.
zsqpwxxeh 1 year ago
@zsqpwxxeh Definitely a combination of bravery and dumb luck - part of the dumb luck being the fact that the Turkish soldiers didn't change their sights, hence most of the time (after the 1800-meter mark) they were shooting over the Australians' heads :)
HenryvKeiper 1 year ago
@zsqpwxxeh besides tanks it was the best posible solution,
with those guns only a quick advance had a chance
bartieboy93 1 year ago
@bartieboy93 I dont think WW1 tanks could have mastered the job, at least not the models avalaible in the Middle East in 1917. THe tanks they got were often more primative than those used in Europe (Mark I & II as opposed to Mark IV). Also the slow advances of artillery and infantry attacks acheived alot of success in other parts of the line, the battle plan origionally called for dismounted main attack with mounted supporting attacks. Still a tribute to excellence ot the flexible plan
fp470 1 year ago
@fp470 no your right but i think that if it would come down to a real siege tehre would be a huge problem with supplies,
and i gues that the french tank ft17 could master the job.... its a bit faster :-)
but again, a cavalry charge might be a bit odd for that time but it would be the best thing yes
bartieboy93 1 year ago
@bartieboy93 Yeah I recon the French tank was superior, especially for one that could go over rougher ground and outpace the guns firing, althoug maybe with support. Cavalry charges still happened though the ALH had already done a few and after this did a few more. It had to be a measured thing though. In Europe in the 1918 cavalry came back and played a decisive role in a few incidents.
fp470 1 year ago 2
@fp470
"I recon the French tank was superior, especially for one that could go over rougher ground and outpace the guns firing, althoug maybe with support"
Check out the FT-17 tank on Wikipedia and take a look at the armor and speed of this tank. Then you'll see that, even though it can withstand shrapnells and any small arms fire (I mean fire from weapons of .303 cal), on such a flat ground as in Beersheba, the FT-17 would have been nothing but a training target for Turkish field gun crews.
Briselance 1 year ago
@Briselance The assumption was that the French tank could have participated in the role as a mobile arm rather than a combat attack vehicle like the ones used during this battle ouside Gaza. The French tank was quieter, faster and had harder to indentify from the air (less of a signature). In the flank attack they would have been useful is what I was saying. The Turks were shocked to find British cavarly formations outside of Beersheba. Also what you dont see is the loads of supresin fire
fp470 1 year ago
@bartieboy93
I'm French, and I know a few things about the FT-17.
It has a top speed of 7 kilometers (or roughly 4,37 miles) per hour, which is the speed of an average infantryman, fully equipped and armed, not running until out of breath but walking a steady pace. All this was adapted for WW1 western front, with no man's lands full of shells craters, hills and all ; adapted for a ground with a certain cover from enemy guncrews' sight. But certainly not for such a flat plain as depicted here.
Briselance 1 year ago
@Briselance yes yes, i know that, but it was a bit faster then other tanks of the time,
and still, im talking about a alternative.... a cavalry charge was the best solution but what if they didnt have any horses?
bartieboy93 1 year ago
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@bartieboy93
"a cavalry charge was the best solution but what if they didnt have any horses?"
What if they didn't have any horses ? Then it would be an infantry charge :-D
On a more serious note, now : Without cavalry ? Well, let's see ... artillery bombing ? Air raid ? Infantry attack by night ?
Briselance 1 year ago
@zsqpwxxeh As a matter of fact, it was partly that. Turkish machine guns that opened fire from the left (which might have inflicted heavy casualties) were quickly silenced by a battery of horse artillery.
ThaMahstah 1 year ago
Maybe this is addressed in other comments, but Beersheba is in a desert. Horses need to be watered constantly, so it's a matter of shifting from point to point, oasis to oasis. If you blow the horses away from water, they die quickly from dehydration. As I understand it, this charge was a great surprise to the (German-officered) Turks. If the Australians didn't get the town, they would lose all their cavalry immediately. That, plus the full gallop for a couple of klicks...
zsqpwxxeh 1 year ago
@zsqpwxxeh The operation as a whole (since it is the 3rd Battle of Gaza) and was an attempt to turn the flank (at Beersheba) to roll up the positions around Gaza. There was signficant break-ins along the front but Beersheba was needed so that cavarly could envelop the flank and produce a general break-through. The town was suposed to be taken by surprise and the elaborate deception worked. The taking of the town by charge did surprise the Germans since they though they...
fp470 1 year ago
@fp470 ...classed the Light Horse as mounted infantry. Had the attack failed surviors would have been minimal, but this was an attack of only 1200 men from the Anzac Mounted Division. Had the attack failed they would have brought up reserves units or had to break off the action overall. This probably would have resulted in a series of tactical withdrawls by the German-Turkish forces and the battle for Gaza would still have raged on. The result is too hard to guess.
fp470 1 year ago
@zsqpwxxeh As for the horses being watered. The attack needed to happen in this manner partially due to the fact that a retirement would have resulted in some a number of brigades loosing an great deal of horses. The British in this operation had pushed forward a pipline, so total death would not have been the case, but a number of horses would have fell out of the line for sure. The Germans did not know about said pipeline so it was a shock for them.
fp470 1 year ago
Screw Rohan, these guys had better hats and were real!
kit40 1 year ago
You can have your Polish cavalry... give me the Lighthorsemen from Down Under any old day! Ten will get you twenty that if these boys had been lurking across the Polish border on 9/1/39, they'd have given Hitler's Blitzkriegers a sleepless night or three...
NCTaikoDrumboy 1 year ago
Got to love the Whaler in this battle
zefer14 1 year ago
The Last Cavalry charge on Earth. So exhilarating.
andrewniles1 1 year ago
@andrewniles1 Actually, the Russians had cavalry in WWII, and even in the invasion of Afghanistan you had incidents where Taliban defenses were overrun by cavalry - even with some American special forces on horseback :)
HenryvKeiper 1 year ago
@HenryvKeiper Cool. Thanks.
andrewniles1 1 year ago
@HenryvKeiper very true
japeter777 1 year ago
@andrewniles1 Lighthorse are not cavalry.
gnarkillkicksass 1 year ago
@gnarkillkicksass Yes they are a form of cavarly called Mounted Rifles. They were eventually upgraded to full cavalry in 1918 and given swords for the operations against the Turks in Syria
fp470 1 year ago
You don't get "upgraded" to cavalry. It would have been a re-designation. Cavalry and Lighthorse are not differentiated by their weapons but by their roles. As a reservist in 2/14LH I can tell you - we're not bloody cavalry nor ever have been.
gnarkillkicksass 1 year ago
@gnarkillkicksass The LIghtHorse were a form of cavalry. They specifically were a form of amateur or abbreviated cavarly as they were part of a citizen-solider army and as such could not reach the standard to commit to arme blanche action. The Light Horse did perform a number of cavarly roles and were considred cavalry, but a specific type. I never said they got to be cavarly because they got sword but went from one type of cavarly to another.
fp470 1 year ago
@gnarkillkicksass Furthermore the designation of the LightHorse to other form of service in the interwar years would of course change modern interpretations of the current LIghtHorse regiments. Your reserve regiment would, of course, not be cavalry. It is a point of contention and recent debate that has labelled the Light Horse as being cavarly, but they were formed by Lt. Col Hutton in 1905 as such
fp470 1 year ago
great to watch this movie and remember Australia's history. I love the sounds of the horses in the background on these scenes too
The Australian Outback Spectacular at the Gold Coast also now have a great show feacturing LH
SADDLELADY 2 years ago
What was it one mile....? and they took the Guns.... Amazing....
LaMOi1 2 years ago
Bit further actually.
They took the guns because they had to set back up after being moved back due to the round of artillery fire that had been bombarding the town. Also th troops had to get back into position after coming out of shelters.
This was a big gamble and it payed massive divedends. Truly the battle hinged upon the charge. But thank god the charge was not isolated
fp470 2 years ago
waltzing matilda and into legend are the best songs abvout this. the pogues and fortress, into legend brings tears tom my eyes when i watch it with the movie. there are no better men.
gillespie74 2 years ago
Such a sad fact that Australian war history is not a part of our compulsory education program, most Australians have little or no knowledge of the achievements of our diggers, with a loss of around 30 men out of 800 and a war saving goal made in 3 hrs, the rest of the allies had tried to achieve for months, surely this should be highlighted to our children maybe it would instill a little more national identity and pride
pvtskitzo 2 years ago
true blue ^bastard from the bush^ aussie spirit... can t beat that..
cymrubahaus78 2 years ago 2
Magnificent! The real logistical problem the Australians encountered, much more pressing than lack of water, was the procurement of 800 odd very large and strong horses able to move at speed while carrying men possessed of such very large... mm... courage.
EricKenyonRKC 2 years ago
The Kraut Military 'Advisers' - actually the Bosses who gave the Turks their real tactical-orders at Beersheba, are reputed to have said : "Ach Du Lieber .. zose are not mere Britisch Cavalry who are charging us .. it's much verse .. it's those bloody Australian Light Horsemen !! Gott In Himmell !! How can vee devendt dis position against such magnificent fighting men !! Donner und Blitzen !! Unfurl zie Vhite Flahgs !! Mach Schnell !! Go, you Aussies !! Give 'em the cold steel.
colindominy 2 years ago 2
Far to many people died that day. From both sides, I'm an Australian and know what those Diggers sacrificed, but I also realize what the Turkish men also sacrificed. They just chose the wrong side.
EpicPhail124 2 years ago
Your'll find that a third of these men got the Vic. Cross for Bravness
AllrounderMSG 2 years ago
you'll find you are exagerating.
seedy80 2 years ago 4
ANZACS FORE EVER
sonet66 2 years ago 9
I believe recently was Anzac Day, wasn't it?
HenryvKeiper 2 years ago
Yes, April 25th.
Exsellsior 2 years ago 2
I put all these videos up just in time then :)
HenryvKeiper 2 years ago
I thought it was no coicidence.
Exsellsior 2 years ago
Sort of a happy coincidence. I was talking to an Australian friend who mentioned it was Anzac Day, and I remembered how much I liked this movie, so I decided to upload some scenes :)
HenryvKeiper 2 years ago