Judo for Jiu Jitsu - Jimmy Pedro - Osoto-Gari - BJJ Weekly #047

[xioxio1000]

I find Judo very effective for exercising, but were is your "academy" located at?

[erinroberts52]

murray the hop hop works bc he is controlling his upper body. it's a very powerful throw

[cassiusclaynyc]

THis is the greatest thing in the world.

[robthornton72]

To those saying it should be taught the classical way first, why? This is not for Judo, it's for Judo applications to BJJ. If they've never seen or learnt the technique, they have no concept of "simple" or "complex." Functional is the criteria here, and no one's going to argue the capability of the technique.

[lallope]

Forgive me for stating so, but a throw should be practiced within the standard first. a sloppy osoto gari can cause injury to knee.When practicing it should be done within the standard as established Professor Kano founder of Judo. Please post how a person should know standard Osoto gari before they venture into a variation because of injury to knee.

[GoldenBear2468]

@davengel215 Wakefield, Mass (42.50595,-71.064449) which is a suburb north of Boston.

[davengel215]

where is this school?



[murray1234567891011]

is it just me or is this a little backwards, put your leg out and then hop (hopping really?) into position close to your opponent. seems like a really beginner way of trying osoto garai. shouldn't it be step, shoulder to shoulder with opponent to get close and bring there weight down THEN put your leg out.

[bjjweekly]

@murray1234567891011 I'm no Judo guy so I can't answer to the technique directly, but I gotta say that Jimmy is the freakin' US Olympic Judo Team coach... it doesn't get much more high level than that here in the states.  - Bill

[murray1234567891011]

@bjjweekly yeah I dont doubt the guys credentials, a crash course in how to do a more competition style osoto than the basic fundamentals for the purposes of demonstrating it to BJJ players maybe ?

[bjjweekly]

@murray1234567891011 Could be, we asked him to show us some stuff that could be relatively simple for BJJ guys to use in competition even if they weren't training in Judo.

[nextgenerationmma]

@murray1234567891011

im sure you can osoto garai better than jimmy pedro right.

[murray1234567891011]

@nextgenerationmma yeah thats what I said :S

[bradmc1]

@murray1234567891011 it is actually more difficult to attempt osoto in the way you described, this is more of a practical version. when learning osoto, you would perform it by stepping in, shoulder to shoulder, then sweeping the leg. If you watch high level comp., that is how most likely it would of been performed, see Yamashita.

[LaVidaJudoka]

@bradmc1 I agree with you. However, the classical version (if you want to call it that) of osoto gari teaches a lot of the basics that are relevant to doing osoto gari from different grips and positions. Osoto gari is my favorite throw and I do it from approximately eight different grips but I can only do that because I've drilled the basics.

[bradmc1]

@LaVidaJudoka we are on the same page, in my comment I suggest that when learning osoto, it should be done the "classical way". Probably the way you learned as I, what Mr. Pedro is showing is more of a comp. version. It is one of those basic throws that can win a championship.

[LaVidaJudoka]

@murray1234567891011: You ask a very relevant and important question. Unfortunately this is where actually going to a Judo club to learn osoto gari becomes really important. There are so many basics on posture, position, hands and arm usage, ect...not spoken about in this video that every guy who tries this in randori (sparring) who knows nothing of osoto gari basics will fail. They'll fail because they do what they think they saw instead of doing it correctly. Then they'll say Judo sucks.

[carlsonics]

@murray1234567891011 This is a competitive variation of osoto-gari that Pedro is showing here. A classical version would have you step in with the outer leg first, then bring in the reaping leg. But this competitive version has the reaping leg hook first, then you drag in your body for the throw. In judo this is not an unusual variation.

[noose357]

@murray1234567891011 YES, but I think he's teaching a much more sport and convienent oriented form of Osoto Gari, where hopping might be required for beginners (as you said) aka bjj guys who haven't had time to really drill proper technique.

[FartJokeResearchLabs]

@murray1234567891011 This is just a competition variation, a far-side osoto. This isn't in the tradtional forms but its highly effective.

[murray1234567891011]

@Pocket13sClothing first of the comment was from three months ago why bother me ? second I simply expressed a point of view and had a perfectly pleasant conversation with bjj weekly why the need to start throwing insults ? oh yea I know why its because your another fucking obnoxious loud mouthed product of the american education system and its your job like all the other's to continually embarrass yourself over the internet, goodnight key bored warrior pussy.

[Pocket13sClothing]

@murray1234567891011 We would like to apologize for the rude comment made under our account, we did not sign out after viewing some videos, BIG MISTAKE! and some one used our account to bad mouth a few people on you tube. They thought it would be funny we don't agree. Once again we apologize for any inconvenience.

[Kazmundio]

@murray1234567891011 What's up, guys. I'm a judo blackbelt. So if you notice, Jimmy's base leg is making an equilateral triangle with the opponent's legs, which is not really a bad position, but more importantly he has the person's balance and posture broken before he extends his leg. Most guys will try to escape that rear leg and step back, so no matter ow far in you step the triangle point is probably the best you're going to get, so trap the leg and hop, it works!

[LJSJIUJITSU]

@murray1234567891011

You know what amazes me about the comments? The fact that a legit expert like Jimmy Pedro is questioned at all.

[murray1234567891011]

@LJSJIUJITSU that comment is 6 months old ? thats all im going to say im not even going to respond to your actual comment.

[MrJFColt]

@murray1234567891011 This is the standard competition execution of this technique, as you will see if you look at some judo competition footage. The method you described is the 'classical' way, which is practiced during uchi-komi and nage-komi, but is virtually never seen in shiai as uke will always step back if the leg isn't first blocked (unless he's a complete retard).

[i32504]

i hate when people say that jiu jitsu practitioners don't do a enough stand up techniques i believe that most schools probably train mostly competition jiu jitsu which i don't have a problem with but if they get into a real fight they don't know how to get it to the ground and get there ass beat but my point is more schools should add some self defense stuff to there curriculum it really beneficial to all aspects of jiu jitsu including competitions

[Dudongo86]

I loved that Osotogari.

[bwalker077]

There are counters to ALL techniques in Judo or Jiu jitsu, it should of course go without saying that any technique needs to be done properly to be successful against a competant opponent. This is considered "safe" from a bjj point of view (thus the title Judo for bjj) This is a "safe" Osoto because the distance forces the opponent to take a half second to close in for a pickup counter. Kuzushi and timing are always the most important factors

[str8bigr1]

THIS THROW CAN BE DONE WITH OR WITHOUT A GI

[syskonenS]

i go 2 judo 2:) and riley :)

[2704heatherwolf]

O.o

[Failbot9000]

Lol Riley YEAAA

[exogeographer]

Jimmy's technique is excellent as always, but someone has to call out the fact that if you don't execute osoto gari very well, you can be countered very easily by any competent judoka or wrestler. If your technique is very substandard, all they have to do is push on you. You must practice this technique thoroughly, preferably with people whose stand up is really good.

[RileyM0730]

@exogeographer I agree with you if this were regular Osoto, Knee Osoto not so much UNLESS the competitor is a wrestler/Judo player who would most likely execute a pick up. This is why it is key to have head control and to bury your opponent with the kuzushi (off balance) and make sure the entrance is executed by bending their body. But otherwise yes agreed 100%

[exogeographer]

@RileyM0730 That knee hooks actually sets up a common uchimata like counter - there's a bias against judo throws which expose your back, and it's not unreasonable by any means - don't give up your back if you can help it - but acknowledge that ashi waza can still put you directly under side control very quickly when countered, and that even back turning throws like seionage put you in pretty similar turtle positions to double legs after a sprawl.

[exogeographer]

@RileyM0730 Again, don't want to take away from anything Jimmy says - his technique is awesome! Just want to point out that it's not a safe and easy leg throw, and that the most important thing Jimmy says in this video is "I win the game upstairs."

[lyndonnobles]

for this technique, could i try the left hand on the back of the head and the right hand gripping the wrist or the back of the tricep? any BBJ no-gi guys ever try to mod this? I usually grapple either in no shirt or wearing a very tight rashguard. in street tussles and during rolling i've landed very similar (but nowhere near as technically sound) techniques. i really like the mechanics of this move.

[RileyM0730]

@lyndonnobles as long as you can substitute the head control. Head control is one of the key factors in throwing Osoto Gari as well as the twist in the torso. So as long as you can still take control of your opponent it will work effectively. If anything you're better grabbing your opponents head/face directly and wrapping his arm if this were a street fight.

FYI I was the Uki in this video also one of Jimmy's Instructors.

[lyndonnobles]

@RileyM0730 thanks for the tip. :)

[yodaddyxx]

unless someone is wearing a coat, this won't work in real life

[Rawforce30]

@yodaddyxx

It still would work, because you will be gripping the opponents shirt and grabbing his wrist, instead of a gi, Every throw applies to real life.

[jnguyen06]

@yodaddyxx I've done it in real life situations(Bar parking lots). It doesn't require a coat. Replace the the lapel grab with a throat grab or a a handful of shirt around the collar area. With the other hand, grip the elbow. It's pretty instinctive if you've trained the technique.

[shann0nconn0r]

judo scares my knees

[GASmotorsports]

@shann0nconn0r me too

[RagingDemon89]

@shann0nconn0r I hear you. I've bulked up my legs so much so I could reduce my chances of knee injuries caused by these type of attacks. If you have skinny legs and/or are long limbed you are more likely IMO to get injured. I'm 5'7, focus on squats and lunges the most out of all my weight lifting. Better safe then sorry.

[xioxio1000]

@shann0nconn0r it doesnt hurt if it does the instructor tells u (at least he tells me)

[doubleomc]

Jimmy Pedro WOW.. that dude is foreal.