My god and american idiots can't see that this guy is trying to save their country...while all the others are bought and paid for by the very same federal reserve international globalist bankers robbing them all and dismantling america for the U.N world government. I thought americans were courageous and free........Least Ron Paul got backed by Clint Eastwood and Oliver Stone....least some real men still exist in the late great U.S.A
Last note, the judicial system does not make law. That solely belongs to Congress and Congress alone. U.S. Constitution Article 1 Section 8 is very clear. The judiciary branch are to interprets and execute the laws period. Many people do not know this & over generation the people have let such individuals take advantage of this bit by bit.
A revolution in the minds & politics in people must take place if we are to take our government back. End the Fed! Vote for Ron Paul! Vote for PEACE!
RetSquid once more copy/pasting the deception on the issue of that TAX CODE! not law.
It is illegal to place a tax on the wages an individual receives for labor. This is involuntary servitude to the Corporate of the United States as clearly written in the 14th Amendment. We are a citizen to the United States instead of what's been written prior before the 14th amendment citing we are a citizen of our respective State (Union) and a citizen to the United States in that order not the reverse.
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Ron Paul is full of shit and I love how he tries to turn you against the weak. The Income Tax was not supposed to be outlawed by the 13'th amendment that's a total lie, the Income Tax is the fairest tax there is if it's done right, it ensures that people pay what they can afford, no more no less.
Our Income tax is broken for several reasons, mostly because corrupt right winged corporate shills have sabotaged it. Article 1 Section 8 proves it's constitutional.
I find progressive tax makes the most sense versus flat or sales tax, however currently the progressive tax is flawed because it isn't the following... 0% Federal Income tax for the bottom 75% wage earners, top 25% should continue to pay their current rates.
@AthrenGlory But the thing is all the companies are run by and owned by the top 25% the problem is that they set wages and prices so they just pass the taxes on to the consumers and the workers rather than take the hit themselves.
The gov wastes the money hence the Swiss with a maximum rate of 10% have the most competitive economy in the world according to the WEF.
Income tax is just 33% of federal revenue it can be slashed or eliminated if U.S militarism and empire suffers the same fate...
@CitizenBeta2 I do see what you mean, the federal government could still exist if it wanted to and not tax income. However I was approaching the situation politically given how much heat candidates receive for sales tax or a flat tax idea. Also factoring in the 99% crowd, my suggestion to the tax code had that in mind. But a world without income taxes, where workers are treated equally in that respect is by far more fair and free, yet is fated to political backlash.
@AthrenGlory In my country the ruling Tory party accepts independent think tanks tanks suggestion that if they lowered the max tax rate of 50% we'd likely get more revenue due to more growth. They wont as they say it would appear as though we aren't "in this together".
Basically its economic masochism, for the sake of the polls.
Income tax is just 33% of federal revenue it can be slashed or eliminated if U.S militarism and empire suffers the same fate...
@AthrenGlory The thing is these people are just taking a knee jerk reaction, they need to be shown how such taxes get passed onto them.
I am with you though that we aught offer economic reform that can appeal to the wider public that still enhance economic freedom from where it is now. That way we can expand liberty in all other areas as well.
What I think could appeal is a suggested abolition of tax on small business, & a Milton Friedman style negative income tax... (subsidised low wages)
@CitizenBeta2 I enjoyed learning about negative income tax as I was not aware of that proposal. It does simplify the system, however the drawback is reinforcing people to not pursue work. Whereas in my proposed plan (bottom 75% though should be 80%), it slightly increases the gap from small wage earners from those who live off government handouts due to no income tax. However I will enjoy pondering how to make negative income tax more feasible in a society where people may not want to work.
Then with such luxury taxes like that the super-rich can have 'low taxes' but like Herman Cain said a tax on items. I will never have a gold toilet like Donal Trump. So they can add an item luxury tax to that. then let him have a 15% tax rate on his income, which he uses the extra money to pay for the luxury taxes he "chooses" when he "chooses" the items he buys, much like I don't pay the tax on cigarettes. I don't smoke but I buy gas and pay that tax. End income tax and then tax good/services
By tax as a necessity I think I meant that the government does need money to operate. I am for a national sales tax, and especially a luxury tax for things most of us would never buy unless we had a lot money. That is why the issue of taxing the rich is stupid. Simply tax the items, like a yacht that cost 70 million might cost 75 million (5 mil in tax). You and I won't ever see such a tax and we don't make enough to buy stuff like that and the rich can keep their 15% tax rate
might have occurred for the reasons stated for them to occur, and I'm not saying some faction of our government caused it but they sure did capitalize on it as a rally point to achieve their pre-9/11 agenda. I was in the US Navy during the Gulf War so I know exactly what being the military was like during 'peace' post soviet union, and the fact I loved having free health care, no rent to pay, etc. but gave in service (as a form of tax) since in the military we don't pay federal tax
I agree on the war thing. Remember when the Soviet's 'fell' and we had the threat of world peace and did so for most of the 90's ie no true threat of global war, only local regional wars like the balkans, but then 9/11 happened. Before that the pentagon was finding its budget increasingly at odds with peace time missions and priorities so for them 9/11 was an answer to some generals prayer to keep the threat alive. I feel the War on Terror was largely invented to do that, though events like 9/11
taxes are a necessity and the best tax is a tax on natural resources, just like the Saudi gov is largely paid for by oil revenue so to we should tax the T-Boone Pick'n type people and their activities to pay for air craft carriers and NSA program and 'things like that'.
@Foreshadow44 taxes are not required. The government in past before 1913 ran without taxes. There economy was very strong. Sound money - Silver and gold were used. The reason most business go over seas is because of Taxes. All the taxes are for is to start wars and keep wars going. Nothing good happen with tax money in usa.
PEOPLE NEED TO SWITCH PARTIES 12 WEEKS IN ADVANCE OF THE PRIMARIES IN MOST STATES.
IF YOU DO NOT SWITCH IN TIME YOU CANNOT VOTE IN PRIMARY.
IF YOU ARE NOT REGISTERED REPUBLICAN YOU CANNOT VOTE IN PRIMARY.
IF RON PAUL DOES NOT WIN PRIMARY, NO GENERAL ELECTION ! REGISTER AS A REPUBLICAN. FIND OUT WHEN YOUR STATE HAS PRIMARIES. FIND OUT WHERE AND VOTE VOTE VOTE ! PLEASE !
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Needing to buy Land is also a form of involuntary servitude. If you didn't create the Land then you don't own it but it belongs to all of us. As God is no respector of persons, the earth was given to all of mankind equally by the Creator. Every human being has an Inherent Birthright to Land.
PEOPLE NEED TO SWITCH PARTIES 12 WEEKS IN ADVANCE OF THE PRIMARIES IN MOST STATES.
IF YOU DO NOT SWITCH IN TIME YOU CANNOT VOTE IN PRIMARY.
IF YOU ARE NOT REGISTERED REPUBLICAN YOU CANNOT VOTE IN PRIMARY.
IF RON PAUL DOES NOT WIN PRIMARY, NO GENERAL ELECTION ! REGISTER AS A REPUBLICAN. FIND OUT WHEN YOUR STATE HAS PRIMARIES. FIND OUT WHERE AND VOTE VOTE VOTE ! PLEASE !
WE NEED EVERY LAST VOTE ! Copy and paste this everywhere!
PEOPLE NEED TO SWITCH PARTIES 12 WEEKS IN ADVANCE OF THE PRIMARIES IN MOST STATES.
IF YOU DO NOT SWITCH IN TIME YOU CANNOT VOTE IN PRIMARY.
IF YOU ARE NOT REGISTERED REPUBLICAN YOU CANNOT VOTE IN PRIMARY.
IF RON PAUL DOES NOT WIN PRIMARY, NO GENERAL ELECTION ! REGISTER AS A REPUBLICAN. FIND OUT WHEN YOUR STATE HAS PRIMARIES. FIND OUT WHERE AND VOTE VOTE VOTE ! PLEASE !
WE NEED EVERY LAST VOTE ! Copy and paste this everywhere!
ron Paul says no foreign policy would illiminate taxes. He also wants to illiminate government as we know it and the Federal Researve. Most medical research comes from federal funds, road maintenance, police, hospitals, education, judicial justice including jails, life and safety such as fire safety, natural federal parks and animal conservation. If all this is put in the hands of Wall Street then we might as well let Mexico rule the USA. Free market rules there already,ie; drug cartel/murder
Health Care isn't just another "service" It's pathetic that the United States "The greatest country in the world" is one of the ONLY developed country where a man can die of something as simple as a tooth infection because he cant afford his medicine. Go ahead and say that people should be responsible for themselves all you want and then just assume their just lazy if it makes you feel better but know that many people work tooth and nail and barely get by who cant afford the "luxury" of medicine
I'm not surprised to see so many people giving the thumps up to MrJohnConservative on here. Who take his anecdotal "evidence" of " I know some lazy people" Let's pretend like he isn't bullshitting and does actually know some lazy people. Yea I know some lazy people too but if you think that all poor people are just lazy then you're flat out ignorant and living in your own bubble. Be happy your blessed with opportunities not all others are afforded. Health care should be available to all.
I do not pay one cent in income tax, AND i do this legally and the IRS can't touch me.. because i don't make any income, I MAKE PLENTY OF GOLD AND SILVER but no income, there is a legal distinction that every grade schooler should be aware of, you are being lied to by omission that anything that comes in is income the courts haves blatantly ruled otherwise, and if you attain the proper status at law you too can be 100% tax free :)
Why do i care about taxes anymore? We have already shifted all of the burden on to the next generation! pollution? Global warming?? Taxes? healthcare? Who gives a rats ass let my kids worry about it.
people act as if people had more choices than they do. this person is lazy, that person is incapable. the fact is that you can only do what you know how to do. a very large part of america's current problems is the fact that we have destroyed the family unit and that children are not taught responsibility as well as they used too. instead we hide our children inside, affraid that they will be attacked by predators. instead we have them babysat by the television. continued.
@greycloud24 continued.. instead of mom teaching the children how to do their math homework, she is away at work while dad is in jail for a victimless crime or on the streets, divorced and paying alimony and child support. google has revolutionized homework, it no longer takes effort or knowledge to answer questions. and we expect the children of these people not to be lazy? how can we expect that? we need to teach them how not to be lazy before we condemn them for being who they are.
Ron Paul actually has a Platform AND Solutions, as he just stated here in under 4 minutes. I have not heard a Rep. or a Dem. with a plan or solution. Vote for Ron Paul 2012
@propolispills Reminder :If you live in a closed primary state , you must register Repub to vote Ron Paul in the critical primary election which decides the nomination. Ron Paul has many former Obama supporters (disillusioned DEMS or independents )who may not know this - to be safe, just register REPUB so U R not cheated out of your priamry vote . Change ASAP-deadlines vary by state . U can always change back after he wins the nomination . Pass it on.
@doogleandalix They're "Disillusioned", not brain dead. If you had any sense, you'd register as Democrat. This sick love affair with paul has you screwed up and blinded. Good 'ol Dr. Paul is a strict constitutionalist, unless he's pork-barreling money to his cronies, back in his district. "End the Fed", he says and that has you foaming like dogs, until the day that happens and before you can spend a dime, you'll be issued a government I.D., that tracks you cradle to grave. He's more of the same.
@Frostweld He's totally against government I.D's.What's wrong with following the Constitution?Beats illegal invasions without Congressional approval . The only people who benefit as Dems R those who are on the dole -working people like fiscal responsibility because they are already taxed to death . The Dems are not the party they once were . Check out Ron Paul a bit more - I bet you agree with more of what he says than you think.
@doogleandalix I can agree with you about the points that Dr. Paul talks about, but in reality, if you followed his congressional record, his ideas are just that, ideas, not words that he lives by. I can't abide and you shouldn't either, by a man that doesn't practice what he preaches. There's already enough of that in both parties. btw, don't fool yourself or let your guard down about the I. D., just do some asking about what happens when they "end the fed".
@Frostweld Can you be specific ?I don't find him to be a hypocrit but I'm wlling to hear where you're coming from. I JUST watched a video here that said he was against a national ID card -I can send you the link if you want . Do you really support the Fed - a private bank that has little accountability, esp in the area where it can do whatever it wants with OUR money with international banks and can refuse to give info as to where it went ?I'm not saying RP is perfect but better than the rest
@doogleandalix I have a policy of pointing people in the right direction, then letting them do the research, but since we do agree on a few points: freestudentsdotblogspotdotcom/search?q=ron+paul+pork. You can also find RP's record of spending on the .gov website. I do agree that he sounds more credible than the rest of the GOP candidates, but is that reason enough to elect him? I think McCain's better than all of them put together. He's saved us, Billions already. "Boeing lease scandal"
Article 1 Section 8 of the constitution of the United States of America
"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States"
If you don't like it, leave the country, because taxation is mandated by the very first article of the Constitution and you aren't going to change it.
@Laughingblades Where is "income" defined in the IRS code? is compensation for labor the same as legally defined "income" that states the 16th amendment? where is the LAW that says that individuals are obligated to pay taxes on their labor's compensation?
Salary and wages are property, income are has been legally defined as profit on corporate activity. Do your research, taxing on labor compensation is unconstitutional. bit(dot)ly/uN5CFa
@anyelina1111 The IRS is irrelevant. It's an agency created after the fact and has no bearing on the constitutionality of the income tax.
Article 1 Section 8 Claus 1 gives congress the authority to tax your income deal with it, the only thing that didn't cover was debt and interest, which the amendment you guys get butthurt about included.
TITLE 26 > Subtitle A > CHAPTER 1 > Subchapter B > PART I >
§ 61. Gross income defined
(a) General definition
Except as otherwise provided in this subtitle, gross income means all income from whatever source derived, including (but not limited to) the following items:
(1) Compensation for services, including fees, commissions, fringe benefits, and similar items…
"WAGES ARE INCOME. Any reading of tax cases by would-be tax protesters now should preclude a claim of good-faith belief that wages--or salaries--are not taxable.”
Generational welfare has accomplished its'intention, it has made millions of Americans democrat voters, yet has also made slaves of them in the sense that they don't have to work but they have traded their freedom and integrity for servitude and non productivity!Without integrity there is no meaningful life!
is a good time to stir up a negative emotion like greed which can be converted into other negative emotions like anger distrust and hate. What a self serving yutz.
HERE ARE REASONS WHY RON PAUL WILL NEVER BECOME US PRESIDENT;
1) AGE. (TOO OLD TO BE A PRESIDENT OF THE MOST POWERFUL COUNTRY IN THE WORLD)
2)DOESNT HAVE ENOUGH FUNDS( SELLS HIS BOOK AND USES WORDS CONSTITUTION AND LIBERTY), THAT WILL NOT PUT FOOD ON A TABLE FOR AMERICAN PEOPLE
3)DOESNT HAVE A REAL STRATEGY ON EXACTLY HOW HE IS GOING TO CREATE JOBS(OK, LETS SAY WE WILL BRING ALL TROOPS HOME, THEN WHAT?) THEY ARE GOING TO BECOME UNEMPLOYED AND COLECT WELFARE?
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@guitarconasor Order derived through submission and maintained by terror is not much of a safe guaranty; yet that is the only "order" that governments have ever maintained. True social harmony grows naturally out of solidarity of interests. In a society where those who always work never have anything, while those who never work enjoy everything, solidarity of interests is non-existent; hence social harmony is but a myth. ~Emma Goldman
congress is corrupt like the rest of our government income tax is illegally ratified and ron paul makes a good point here our government syeals our money and our government is ran by the private fed banks. this all goes back to jp morgan of chase bank and the rothchilds
Money is a representation of labor. When the Government involuntarily steals some of your money it is taking your labor. Working for free against your will is slavery.
The thirteenth amendment never outlaws slavery. Involuntary servitude is perfectly legal as punishment for crime. We are an overcriminalized society. A police state. A nation of lawyers and not of men. So slavery is never over if the powerful can make up crimes to penalize us with slavery such as FEMA labor camps.
@911FalseFlagTerror01 Actually it all comes down to force. As long as the government has an uncontestible monopoly on force we have to live by their rules. They want our money so they take it and there isn't a thing we can do about it. This is why Gun control should be fought against tooth and nail. We need all the force we can get on our end.
@Luigi84289 If there weren't so many guns in the US, you would be over taken by the Nazis in this country that keep telling you, you live in a democracy. The govt. didn't have any problem killing 100s of thousand of people during the civil war did they? And with the Partriot Act they are monitoring eveything you are typing right now.
@RetSquid not popular enough nationally? when Ron Paul announced he would try to get on the 2008 ballot, he raised more privately donated campaign money faster than any other politician in history. he's plenty popular, and my choice for 2012.
Compare how much he raised to how much the Republican party raised. I'm a conservative and I wouldn't vote for him, he doesn't know the Constitution or our laws.
@RetSquid Obama is a joke so I agree with u on that but at the same time, he fights for what I believe in and he's the only one that's getting support across all demographics that I can see because the American People are starting to see the shit hit the fan. The other candidates, which the exception of Michelle Bachmann, seem to just put their head in the sand and not take on the issues.
@RetSquid I'm for Father's Rights and traditional families, not gay marriage and father's having no rights at all to their children. I voted for her on that issue because Obama is a manhater/misandrist and I can't get down with that shit.
Well in the REAL world Fathers do have rights, and she is a democrat, so she is anti-rights unless you are gay. And she supports anything Obama would do, so you shot yourself in the foot.
@RetSquid Father's and men as a whole don't have rights. Obama isn't for rights for either of those groups and I don't respect him because he wears alot of hats that make me want tp throw up. This man and Joe Biden among others is a joke.
@RetSquid Men as a whole don't have the same rights as women do. Look at the world we live in. Women have more rights than men and its done that way on purpose to discourage families, having children, and heterosexual relationships. Basically, FEMINISM =SEXISM !!!!!!
@rotccadet2010 Congress like him he gives us hope and that's good for them. I love the guy but the only way things are going to get any better is if we secede. We can't fight them but if we all refuse to anknowledge them and support our states there isn't a whole lot they can do unless they want to try and kill all of us. This is the only way to return to any kind of sane union.
Not only servitude it's a massive unconstitutional invasion of personal privacy. What right has any government to know how much money an individual makes or what they do with it or who they give it to.
the income tax in the context of a big government is a big problem...Paying for services from your salary is fine whether it is to government or not, BUT, the main problems are: that government doesnt use the pot efficiently ,there is looting of the pot (i live in greece) and money diverted to special interests. Just like market makers gang up and drive prices of stock artificially higher, government and corporations gang up and do the same......
@AntiPsychopath Honestly, property tax and income tax are an unjust use of governmental powers against the private property and rights of individuals. A correct tax structure would seek to tax only the sale of goods from the economy. However, this is unlikely to ever happen. Take care.
We should bring a lawsuit in the Supreme Court to abolish the income tax, on grounds that the 13th Amendment prevents "involuntary servitude" from existing in the United States, also on grounds that the 16th amendment was never ratified by all 50 states rendering it null and void.
UHC holds an assumption that the profession of health care is a RIGHT rather than a PRIVILEGE. Pay more taxes and everyone gets health care. The good part is that the profession would no longer be powered by greed and profit margins. Bad part? Higher taxes.
Should we make all steps of the professional world be funded by the government and hand out "G.O.A.T." tests to see where to place students and fund their educations?
I wish everyone had health care. But if I did not choose to labor for it, I would not have health care either. One cannot be expected to carry the water for two as a matter of practice. Sure, some cannot in their current circumstances. How about changing their circumstances? If unable then enable. If powerless then empower. If unemployed then employ. If lazy, then oh well.
The Fed prints the money out of thin air. What did they do to labor for it other than to subjugate you? Believe me you already are carrying the water for well over two as a matter of default.
This sentence is directly contradicted bye every other thing you say. I can thus only conclude that it's a lie to either convince others or your self that you genuinely care about the welfare of other people
"How about changing their circumstances?"
Good idea
BUT
In the MEAN TIME any situation requiring hospitalization either kills them or bankrupts them
@MrJohnConservative How is a powerless person supposed to empower? The way people, mostly the ones with power, whether they worked for it or not, is "if you're at the bottom, then you should just pull up your boot straps and rise, get to the top" It's not that easy, imagine a dogpile of kids on the play ground, all the other, bigger kids on top of him. He can't possibly get out of that no matter how hard he tries, he wishes he could, but unless he gets extreme luck, he can't do it.
@MrJohnConservative Luck would be a teacher coming over and telling all the kids to get off the poor kid, or one of them taking pity and convincing the others to get off and let him up for some air. The same is with being poor, if you're at the bottom, you're not gonna get up unless you have some EXTREME luck. And for poor people extreme luck is getting $200 from something you set up a long time ago to pay the next bill. When you don't have money, people don't charge you any less.
@MrJohnConservative Which makes it that much more valuable, and even tougher to get. Especially when people look down on you for not having money. And if an unexpected charge comes your way, look out. People don't like being at the bottom, but the world would rather keep them there than help out, and give them any luck. It saddens me that we live in a country that is so OK with being two-faced and greedy. "We are America, we care for eachother" Oh and tax the poorest ones.
Some of these "needy" people I know personally. Known them their whole lives. Their conditions are simply a matter of choice. Nothing I have done has been beyond their ability to do so. My life is the result of my pursuit of life. Do not penalize me for their unwillingness to put forth effort. Again, health care is a service such as any other. Like it or not. Since your so generous, how about buying lunch.
@MrJohnConservative So being paraplegic is a matter of choice? What about having an acute hiatal hernia is that a matter of choice? Is having a slipped disc a matter of choice? Some people look healthy at first glance but have shit that's severely wrong with them, I know a guy who can bend over every once and awhile to lift boxed or something but if does anything that strains his stomach much he starts belching acid fumes and it gets worse over time until he's vomiting up acid if he doesn't stop
@MrJohnConservative Truth has nothing to do with your phony post. If, as you say the story is true, how long have you known this person and why haven't you turned them in to what ever federal agency for investigation? Stories like yours are designed to enrage people, or better still, herd people in to your way of thinking. Sadly, most will fall for your Bullshit story. The only reason we debate this is, unfortunately health care is about making money, not about people. Sad
Your idea of universal health care is ludicrous. It is based solely on the concept on placing laborers in a position of involuntary servitude. It suggests that should I choose at some point to quit my job, thereby placing myself in a needy status, I would be entitled to free health care at your expense. Can I also forward the rest of my bills to you, too? If you cared about the children you would have higher expectations of the parents. Rather, you only continue the cycle. Pure genius, really.
@MrJohnConservative Right.. Who cares about the other 100 million americans who can't afford heath insurance as long as you're insured! Nice logic and attitude. Do you realize universal health care would cost you less than what you're paying now? You might have to wait a bit longer for service but isn't that a small price to pay knowing everyone has coverage and is taken care of? or do you only think of yourself?
Where are you gettting this 100,000,000 number from? And how do you think that covering 1/3 more people would cost less? And who would want to wait months for a doctor's visit and maybe tens of months for diagnostic equipment or years for an operation?
@RetSquid LOL Who told you it would take months for a doctors visit? I live in canada. We have universal health care and the longest i have had to wait for a visit to the doctor is 5-6 days. Years for an operation? rofl! I have no idea why you think the sysyem is that slow but i sugesst you do some research and learn about how the universal health care system works because you've already proven you're ignorance. If you're interested in the uninsured statistics, i suggest you look them up.
@RetSquid So you're using all the extreme cases to prove you're point huh? Nice subjective arguement. With you're logic i guess you're entire heath care system sucks because of all of the patients who have died because they were refused coverage by you're insurance companies. Even though they were insured. Of course there are extreme cases in both systems but our system works as a whole. All you guys do is complain about you're health care, but then you are unwilling to accept alternatives.
@RetSquid LOL Do you realize how patients have to fight insurance compaines to get treatment even though they are full insured? Do you realize how many have died as a result? I really hope you are not one of those unlucky people who have to go through that. I sincerely do. I love what i have and wouldn't change it ever.
@aieljose We see news stories with canadians all the time, who have come here because the surgery they need is not available in a timely manner. If you and your doctor deside you need a knee replacement today, can you get it tomorrow, or maybe next week? must you wait for it to be approved by your government? That's the most disgusting part of socialism, waiting to see if the government approves of a personal business decision. Before can get a loan from a willing lender,Gov must ok it, eg
Care to qualify "bullshit?" People choose to serve in health care just as they choose to serve in any other field. It's a profession of choice. People have no more right to free health care than a free lunch. Being sentimental is fine but not at the price of being impractical. I have health care because I pay for it. I can pay for it because I labor 14 hours a day. I labor because I choose to. It's called personal responsibility. Try handing out job applications. You might help someone.
Health practitioners are no different than mechanics or the guy flipping burgers. It is a service. A service which must be paid for. My sweat belongs to me, the fruits of my labor happen to be my fruit. It is sick for you to suggest servitude of one to another. Nothing I have is unachieveable by those with a desire to do so. Keep your sticky fingers to yourself. You may enslave yourself if you wish but you have no right to enslave me against my will. Reality must be a serious inconvenience.
Health care is not a right, but a service as with any other service. Those serving that industry are providing a service that must be paid for. This concept of free handouts with no end in sight lacks serious intelligence rather it is more or less wishful thinking. You must think money grows on trees or something. Their right is a right to personal achievement. Effort pays off in the end. No effort, no payoff.
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That's sick and wrong. Health care IS a human right, not a luxury or "service". Of course those involved should be paid, but it should NOT be denied millions because of poverty, especially children. Personal achievement? That's just revolting crap. A person shouldn't have to "acheive" the right to see a doctor when they're sick or hurt. And, AGAIN, the poor are working harder than anyone in this society.
Bob must not desire to better himself otherwise there would be some sort of evidence to the contrary. What is bob's excuse? And I, working far from home, long hours, etc. am supposed to invite bob to my dinner table? I make more money simply by the fact of effort. More effort = more money. Myself, much effort. Bob, no effort. And I owe Bob? You don't suggest Bob should seek some type of employment? Bob is a real person. And he is as I have described him. You would reward laziness when it exists?
More effort equals more money? That's laughable. You think the millionaire CEOs we're bailing out on wallstreet work harder than the guys on the road crew?
Obviously, your still missing the point. The people I am referring to are known individuals not faceless strangers. Let's call one of them "Bob." Bob and I grow up just down the road from each other, attend the same class, and vary little other than our names. I work full time, bob does not although he is just as suited for work as I am. I put forth effort, bob does not. Bob is also known to be on food stamps, takes to alcohol and other substances, and shows no motivation to excel.
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You don't know EVERY PERSON IN THE WORLD. This one person doesn't represent those who ARE denied equal opportunity. And what you call "excelling" isn't something that should be expected just to LIVE of every human being. You're getting plenty of extras that they cannot afford, but trying to deny food and health care is immoral.
Why should a person willing to work support someone who does not? Again, I'm not talking about strangers but well known people. The higher tax bracket is the result of my willingness to work extended hours. Not because Santa Claus gift wrapped some money for me. What I have comes through personal effort. "Those people" can work as I do but choose not to. That is a fact. You fail to expect any sort of effort on their part. You expect me to slave away while they watch TV? Hell, no. Your crazy.
Your higher tax bracket is because you make more MONEY. Quit your crying, you're obviously doing pretty well for yourself, you should be glad. I'm in a fairly high bracket, you don't hear me whining and crying about it. Because I know people in deep poverty who work harder every day than I EVER will. It's not "Santa Clause" for a person to feed their family or see the doctor when they're sick, these are HUMAN RIGHTS for ANY person whether YOU think they "work hard" or not.
Are your reading and comprehension skills really that bad? I described a true to life scenario where you have a small school class where the students of that class know each other, attended the same classes, raised in similar settings, etc. A small community where literally everything is known about a person. A portion of the class have worked full time constanly building on their lives. The remainder have shown no effort of any kind. They are known to not work, live on food stamps, drugs, etc.
No, I read fine, and I KNOW that millions in this country do NOT have the same educational opportunity, do NOT have the same job opportunities, are disabled or have health problems and cannot get them addressed because of poverty, so DON'T tell me everyone has the same opportunity because it just ain't so. The idea that poor people CHOOSE to be poor, that they just don't "work hard enough" is a sick lie.
Not to mention the FACT that a huge percentage of people in poverty are CHILDREN.
We all started life the same, educated the same, the same opportunities were available to them as to me. Sympathy? I served my country and they serve only themselves at our expense and you want SYMPATHY? I sweat for what I have and they only sweat while breaking in on me. These aren't strangers, their lives and history are known. Sympathy? No sir, no sympathy. Thou shalt reap what thou sowest. I've been in the "field" my whole life while you wish to rob peter to pay paul. Get paul off his ass.
Lie. There are millions who do NOT have the same educational opportunity the same job opportunity, the same health care opportunity, it's just NOT available equally. Saying they "serve only themselves" is a dispicable thing. You insult a person who cannot feed his family for wanting to? For wanting to see a doctor when you're sick? No sympathy means no decency, no humanity. You're what's wrong with this nation, selfishness and hate.
Perhaps you live in a large community where there are many strangers. Not so here. I served in the military and currently drive a semi-truck. Nothing so difficult that they could not do as well. You can't even go to a doctors appointment without the waiting room being filled with those people. They whip out medical cards and I pay out the nose for insurance. I'm rewarded for 14hr days by being put in a higher tax bracket. I pay sales tax and they use food stamps. I'm supposed to feel sympathy?
Health care is a right, there is NO excuse to think ANYONE doesn't deserve to see a doctor when they're sick, doesn't DESERVE to feed their family. Whining about being in a higher tax bracket instead of realizing you're there because you make more money is just pathetic. You should be grateful, instead all YOU do is complain about those who are barely surviving, like THEY'RE the problem.
Could you possibly be any more ignorant? Don't tell me that I have to pay for someone else's laziness. Yes, healthcare in this nation is broken, but allowing competition to lower prices is the way to fix it, not socializing and thus consolidating it further. Socialism favors big business because big business can afford regulation while small business cannot, how can you not see that? It's a very simple concept really, even the tea baggers figured it out. So, why can't you?
You seem to have the inability to address point for point. I received the same education as others in my class. We all know each other and have so since beginning school. Out of my class we have had a few teachers, soldiers, lawyers, nurses, etc. Also out of my class we have had drunks, welfare recipients, drug users and drug sellers, thieves, etc. Same class, same upbringing in a small community. So you are suggesting my willingness to labor to compensate for their conditions? Is that right?
Others in your class...there are millions who do NOT have equal opportunity in education, in health care, in job opportunity.
If you're asking me is it right to help those in need, I'm telling you it's not even a question that should be asked. It is NOT right NOT to help them. Do you think they WANT to be on welfare? WANT addiction?
I didn't make straight A's, have wealthy parents, etc. First I joined the Army and served proudly for 10 years active as well as 2 years reserve while in college. Today, I am an over the road truck driver pulling 14 hr. days. I am representative of a family committed to America since the before the revolution. Education? My sister home shools and her two kids are nearly prepped for college and they are still at grade school age. Educational funding, a pathetic joke. Funds don't create motivation
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Funds create opportunity. Saying "educational funding, a pathetic joke" is a sick lie. You WANT the poor and those denied opportunity to REMAIN in that condition.
Among those who do not labor you will find your thieves, drunks, drug users, and other persons by which their conduct serves only to degrade the society as a whole. Nothing I have personally achieved in life is out of reach for any citizen willing to step up. This is the land of opportunity, not the land of automatic compensation. You, sir, are sadly blind to this. You respond emotionally rather than rooting your thoughts in common sense. Where you went astray I cannot begin to guess.
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This racist horsecrap that the poor are all "theives drunks drug uses and those who degrade society" is horrible and unAmerican. There are those working and honest STILL trapped in poverty denied opportunity and by underfunding our schools their children are trapped in the same poverty. There's no common sense in this, it's just cheap racism and selfishness.
Social security is an abomination. It helped create a welfare state that remains constantly in need. Those willing to work and strive to achieve are penalized while a large portion of society does nothing to better themselves or the nation. My county is a perfect place to observe this. Everybody knows everybody. Those who work contribute directly and indirectly to the betterment of the community. Those who do not contribute to the degradation of same. Easily seen and understood.
Lie. There is no "welfare state." This "abomination" turned our poverty rate among the elderly from OVER 70 PERCENT to neear nothing. Abomination? Poverty is the abomination. There are MILLIONS not just willing to work but working FAR harder than anyone will imagine STILL trapped in poverty.
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Interesting note...these summer soldiers and sunshine patriots want hoarding wealth to be seen as "freedom" and part of their rights.
Perhaps, but remember, none is free unless ALL are free, so as you work to DENY opportunity to others...those without education, without health care, without opportunity, without hope...we are NOT a free people.
"As effective or efficient as government?" That is completely ludicrous. As stated previously, just how did the U.S. function prior to income tax. Since income comes from labor, a tax would have to be considered a labor tax. Precisely where in the constitution does it allow for such a thing. Capital gains, yes. Gains through personal labor, no. America came into existence as the result of opposing authority and the law. My responsibility as an American is to uphold it values and ideals. Freedom
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The US "functioned" before the income tax with a MASSIVE percentage unable to read and write, which at the time people could get by with, we now no longer can, a person without an education has no HOPE. We're far better off now than we were then, we also were NOT committed militarily as we are now. There is no "values" in refusing to meet our responsibility to others.
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No, you are violating the natural rights of others when you refuse to provide sick children health care, refuse to provide EVERY child educational opportunity. Charity would rise SLIGHTLY without taxes, nowhere even in the same UNIVERSE to the massive increase in need. It's a joke to claim that private charity is the answer, people working TOGETHER..,in other words, government, which you hate so but is NOTHING but people working together...is the only answer. You ignore these true values.
My god and american idiots can't see that this guy is trying to save their country...while all the others are bought and paid for by the very same federal reserve international globalist bankers robbing them all and dismantling america for the U.N world government. I thought americans were courageous and free........Least Ron Paul got backed by Clint Eastwood and Oliver Stone....least some real men still exist in the late great U.S.A
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ashwadhwani 1 week ago
Anarchist corporate whore
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kantoriX1 1 week ago
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It is illegal to place a tax on the wages an individual receives for labor. This is involuntary servitude to the Corporate of the United States as clearly written in the 14th Amendment. We are a citizen to the United States instead of what's been written prior before the 14th amendment citing we are a citizen of our respective State (Union) and a citizen to the United States in that order not the reverse.
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I would vote for the guy except for his obvious confustion on income tax and the Constitution and his absurd foreign policy.
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ashwadhwani 1 month ago
Ron Paul is full of shit and I love how he tries to turn you against the weak. The Income Tax was not supposed to be outlawed by the 13'th amendment that's a total lie, the Income Tax is the fairest tax there is if it's done right, it ensures that people pay what they can afford, no more no less.
Our Income tax is broken for several reasons, mostly because corrupt right winged corporate shills have sabotaged it. Article 1 Section 8 proves it's constitutional.
Laughingblades 1 month ago
I find progressive tax makes the most sense versus flat or sales tax, however currently the progressive tax is flawed because it isn't the following... 0% Federal Income tax for the bottom 75% wage earners, top 25% should continue to pay their current rates.
AthrenGlory 2 months ago
@AthrenGlory But the thing is all the companies are run by and owned by the top 25% the problem is that they set wages and prices so they just pass the taxes on to the consumers and the workers rather than take the hit themselves.
The gov wastes the money hence the Swiss with a maximum rate of 10% have the most competitive economy in the world according to the WEF.
Income tax is just 33% of federal revenue it can be slashed or eliminated if U.S militarism and empire suffers the same fate...
CitizenBeta2 2 months ago
@CitizenBeta2 I do see what you mean, the federal government could still exist if it wanted to and not tax income. However I was approaching the situation politically given how much heat candidates receive for sales tax or a flat tax idea. Also factoring in the 99% crowd, my suggestion to the tax code had that in mind. But a world without income taxes, where workers are treated equally in that respect is by far more fair and free, yet is fated to political backlash.
AthrenGlory 2 months ago
@AthrenGlory In my country the ruling Tory party accepts independent think tanks tanks suggestion that if they lowered the max tax rate of 50% we'd likely get more revenue due to more growth. They wont as they say it would appear as though we aren't "in this together".
Basically its economic masochism, for the sake of the polls.
Income tax is just 33% of federal revenue it can be slashed or eliminated if U.S militarism and empire suffers the same fate...
CitizenBeta2 2 months ago
@AthrenGlory The thing is these people are just taking a knee jerk reaction, they need to be shown how such taxes get passed onto them.
I am with you though that we aught offer economic reform that can appeal to the wider public that still enhance economic freedom from where it is now. That way we can expand liberty in all other areas as well.
What I think could appeal is a suggested abolition of tax on small business, & a Milton Friedman style negative income tax... (subsidised low wages)
CitizenBeta2 2 months ago
@CitizenBeta2 I enjoyed learning about negative income tax as I was not aware of that proposal. It does simplify the system, however the drawback is reinforcing people to not pursue work. Whereas in my proposed plan (bottom 75% though should be 80%), it slightly increases the gap from small wage earners from those who live off government handouts due to no income tax. However I will enjoy pondering how to make negative income tax more feasible in a society where people may not want to work.
AthrenGlory 1 month ago
Then with such luxury taxes like that the super-rich can have 'low taxes' but like Herman Cain said a tax on items. I will never have a gold toilet like Donal Trump. So they can add an item luxury tax to that. then let him have a 15% tax rate on his income, which he uses the extra money to pay for the luxury taxes he "chooses" when he "chooses" the items he buys, much like I don't pay the tax on cigarettes. I don't smoke but I buy gas and pay that tax. End income tax and then tax good/services
Foreshadow44 2 months ago
By tax as a necessity I think I meant that the government does need money to operate. I am for a national sales tax, and especially a luxury tax for things most of us would never buy unless we had a lot money. That is why the issue of taxing the rich is stupid. Simply tax the items, like a yacht that cost 70 million might cost 75 million (5 mil in tax). You and I won't ever see such a tax and we don't make enough to buy stuff like that and the rich can keep their 15% tax rate
Foreshadow44 2 months ago
might have occurred for the reasons stated for them to occur, and I'm not saying some faction of our government caused it but they sure did capitalize on it as a rally point to achieve their pre-9/11 agenda. I was in the US Navy during the Gulf War so I know exactly what being the military was like during 'peace' post soviet union, and the fact I loved having free health care, no rent to pay, etc. but gave in service (as a form of tax) since in the military we don't pay federal tax
Foreshadow44 2 months ago
I agree on the war thing. Remember when the Soviet's 'fell' and we had the threat of world peace and did so for most of the 90's ie no true threat of global war, only local regional wars like the balkans, but then 9/11 happened. Before that the pentagon was finding its budget increasingly at odds with peace time missions and priorities so for them 9/11 was an answer to some generals prayer to keep the threat alive. I feel the War on Terror was largely invented to do that, though events like 9/11
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d0ct0rd3ath 2 months ago
This guy is brilliant!
hbarfarkle 2 months ago
taxes are a necessity and the best tax is a tax on natural resources, just like the Saudi gov is largely paid for by oil revenue so to we should tax the T-Boone Pick'n type people and their activities to pay for air craft carriers and NSA program and 'things like that'.
Foreshadow44 3 months ago
@Foreshadow44 taxes are not required. The government in past before 1913 ran without taxes. There economy was very strong. Sound money - Silver and gold were used. The reason most business go over seas is because of Taxes. All the taxes are for is to start wars and keep wars going. Nothing good happen with tax money in usa.
james64468 2 months ago
I love this guy
poetiktearz 3 months ago
It's not enough to say "Vote Ron Paul"
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corita2121 4 months ago 8
Needing to buy Land is also a form of involuntary servitude. If you didn't create the Land then you don't own it but it belongs to all of us. As God is no respector of persons, the earth was given to all of mankind equally by the Creator. Every human being has an Inherent Birthright to Land.
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soultutor 4 months ago
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RainbowCanyons 4 months ago
well he got some good financial support but not as much as obama. he has no chance. i'm not voting if he isn't on ticket
assman255 4 months ago
Election day should always be April 16, the day after your taxes are duo.
fudgedogbannana 4 months ago
ron Paul says no foreign policy would illiminate taxes. He also wants to illiminate government as we know it and the Federal Researve. Most medical research comes from federal funds, road maintenance, police, hospitals, education, judicial justice including jails, life and safety such as fire safety, natural federal parks and animal conservation. If all this is put in the hands of Wall Street then we might as well let Mexico rule the USA. Free market rules there already,ie; drug cartel/murder
mrwebber35 4 months ago
Health Care isn't just another "service" It's pathetic that the United States "The greatest country in the world" is one of the ONLY developed country where a man can die of something as simple as a tooth infection because he cant afford his medicine. Go ahead and say that people should be responsible for themselves all you want and then just assume their just lazy if it makes you feel better but know that many people work tooth and nail and barely get by who cant afford the "luxury" of medicine
politico92 4 months ago
@politico92 Rights are given by God or Creator etc..a service and good can not be a right.. because some one has to work for it...
Rshen11 4 months ago
@politico92 Rights are given by God or Creator etc..a service and good can not be a right.. because some one has to work for it...
Rshen11 4 months ago 2
I'm not surprised to see so many people giving the thumps up to MrJohnConservative on here. Who take his anecdotal "evidence" of " I know some lazy people" Let's pretend like he isn't bullshitting and does actually know some lazy people. Yea I know some lazy people too but if you think that all poor people are just lazy then you're flat out ignorant and living in your own bubble. Be happy your blessed with opportunities not all others are afforded. Health care should be available to all.
politico92 4 months ago
I do not pay one cent in income tax, AND i do this legally and the IRS can't touch me.. because i don't make any income, I MAKE PLENTY OF GOLD AND SILVER but no income, there is a legal distinction that every grade schooler should be aware of, you are being lied to by omission that anything that comes in is income the courts haves blatantly ruled otherwise, and if you attain the proper status at law you too can be 100% tax free :)
FineHawaiianArt 4 months ago 2
Paul is clearly uneducated...
tnoyy34rt 5 months ago
Why do i care about taxes anymore? We have already shifted all of the burden on to the next generation! pollution? Global warming?? Taxes? healthcare? Who gives a rats ass let my kids worry about it.
cesar333 5 months ago
people act as if people had more choices than they do. this person is lazy, that person is incapable. the fact is that you can only do what you know how to do. a very large part of america's current problems is the fact that we have destroyed the family unit and that children are not taught responsibility as well as they used too. instead we hide our children inside, affraid that they will be attacked by predators. instead we have them babysat by the television. continued.
greycloud24 5 months ago
@greycloud24 continued.. instead of mom teaching the children how to do their math homework, she is away at work while dad is in jail for a victimless crime or on the streets, divorced and paying alimony and child support. google has revolutionized homework, it no longer takes effort or knowledge to answer questions. and we expect the children of these people not to be lazy? how can we expect that? we need to teach them how not to be lazy before we condemn them for being who they are.
greycloud24 5 months ago
Ron Paul actually has a Platform AND Solutions, as he just stated here in under 4 minutes. I have not heard a Rep. or a Dem. with a plan or solution. Vote for Ron Paul 2012
propolispills 5 months ago 9
@propolispills Reminder :If you live in a closed primary state , you must register Repub to vote Ron Paul in the critical primary election which decides the nomination. Ron Paul has many former Obama supporters (disillusioned DEMS or independents )who may not know this - to be safe, just register REPUB so U R not cheated out of your priamry vote . Change ASAP-deadlines vary by state . U can always change back after he wins the nomination . Pass it on.
doogleandalix 5 months ago
@doogleandalix They're "Disillusioned", not brain dead. If you had any sense, you'd register as Democrat. This sick love affair with paul has you screwed up and blinded. Good 'ol Dr. Paul is a strict constitutionalist, unless he's pork-barreling money to his cronies, back in his district. "End the Fed", he says and that has you foaming like dogs, until the day that happens and before you can spend a dime, you'll be issued a government I.D., that tracks you cradle to grave. He's more of the same.
Frostweld 4 months ago
@Frostweld He's totally against government I.D's.What's wrong with following the Constitution?Beats illegal invasions without Congressional approval . The only people who benefit as Dems R those who are on the dole -working people like fiscal responsibility because they are already taxed to death . The Dems are not the party they once were . Check out Ron Paul a bit more - I bet you agree with more of what he says than you think.
doogleandalix 4 months ago
@doogleandalix I can agree with you about the points that Dr. Paul talks about, but in reality, if you followed his congressional record, his ideas are just that, ideas, not words that he lives by. I can't abide and you shouldn't either, by a man that doesn't practice what he preaches. There's already enough of that in both parties. btw, don't fool yourself or let your guard down about the I. D., just do some asking about what happens when they "end the fed".
Frostweld 4 months ago
@Frostweld Can you be specific ?I don't find him to be a hypocrit but I'm wlling to hear where you're coming from. I JUST watched a video here that said he was against a national ID card -I can send you the link if you want . Do you really support the Fed - a private bank that has little accountability, esp in the area where it can do whatever it wants with OUR money with international banks and can refuse to give info as to where it went ?I'm not saying RP is perfect but better than the rest
doogleandalix 4 months ago
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@doogleandalix I have a policy of pointing people in the right direction, then letting them do the research, but since we do agree on a few points: freestudentsdotblogspotdotcom/search?q=ron+paul+pork. You can also find RP's record of spending on the .gov website. I do agree that he sounds more credible than the rest of the GOP candidates, but is that reason enough to elect him? I think McCain's better than all of them put together. He's saved us, Billions already. "Boeing lease scandal"
Frostweld 4 months ago
Article 1 Section 8 of the constitution of the United States of America
"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States"
If you don't like it, leave the country, because taxation is mandated by the very first article of the Constitution and you aren't going to change it.
Laughingblades 5 months ago
@Laughingblades Where is "income" defined in the IRS code? is compensation for labor the same as legally defined "income" that states the 16th amendment? where is the LAW that says that individuals are obligated to pay taxes on their labor's compensation?
Salary and wages are property, income are has been legally defined as profit on corporate activity. Do your research, taxing on labor compensation is unconstitutional. bit(dot)ly/uN5CFa
anyelina1111 1 month ago
@anyelina1111 The IRS is irrelevant. It's an agency created after the fact and has no bearing on the constitutionality of the income tax.
Article 1 Section 8 Claus 1 gives congress the authority to tax your income deal with it, the only thing that didn't cover was debt and interest, which the amendment you guys get butthurt about included.
Laughingblades 1 month ago
@Laughingblades Again, what is the legally definition of "income"? Labor is not income.
anyelina1111 1 month ago
@anyelina1111 "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises"
Congress has the explicit authority to levy taxes on your currency you can play "What does income mean" all you want you still lose.
Laughingblades 1 month ago
@anyelina1111
Labor is not income, but what you get paid (wages/salary) for it IS income.
RetSquid 3 weeks ago
@anyelina1111
TITLE 26 > Subtitle A > CHAPTER 1 > Subchapter B > PART I >
§ 61. Gross income defined
(a) General definition
Except as otherwise provided in this subtitle, gross income means all income from whatever source derived, including (but not limited to) the following items:
(1) Compensation for services, including fees, commissions, fringe benefits, and similar items…
RetSquid 3 weeks ago
@anyelina1111
Here is ’the law’: Title 26
Section 1, imposes the tax
Section 61 defines Gross income
Section 63 defines Taxable income.
Section 6012 requires you to file a tax return if you have income of more than the exemption amount, and
Section 6151 requires you to pay the tax at the time and place fixed for the filing of your return.
RetSquid 3 weeks ago
@anyelina1111
"WAGES ARE INCOME. Any reading of tax cases by would-be tax protesters now should preclude a claim of good-faith belief that wages--or salaries--are not taxable.”
United States v. Koliboski
RetSquid 3 weeks ago
Go Ron and Win. We need a doctor.
zachgre1 5 months ago
Generational welfare has accomplished its'intention, it has made millions of Americans democrat voters, yet has also made slaves of them in the sense that they don't have to work but they have traded their freedom and integrity for servitude and non productivity!Without integrity there is no meaningful life!
MrStonemike 5 months ago
is a good time to stir up a negative emotion like greed which can be converted into other negative emotions like anger distrust and hate. What a self serving yutz.
masluxx 6 months ago
Entitlements will slowly kill the country. It will hit those who they benefit the hardest.
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3)DOESNT HAVE A REAL STRATEGY ON EXACTLY HOW HE IS GOING TO CREATE JOBS(OK, LETS SAY WE WILL BRING ALL TROOPS HOME, THEN WHAT?) THEY ARE GOING TO BECOME UNEMPLOYED AND COLECT WELFARE?
4) UNDERESTIMATES CHINESE POPULATION
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AUSTRALIAN COMING TO AMERICA TO FIGHT FOR LIBERTY
I'm an Australian and need help to get over to America to fight for freedom and liberty on the Ron Paul campaign. I am documenting my entire journey on libertyeverafter [dot] com
If you can offer any assistance in terms of accommodation or part time work, please email Nick, info [@] libertyeverafter [dot] com
nikolayzou 7 months ago
The Federal govt. = legalized theft. Madoff is right. It's all a big ponzi. Taking from those that work and giving it to those that don't.
guitarconasor 9 months ago 2
@guitarconasor Order derived through submission and maintained by terror is not much of a safe guaranty; yet that is the only "order" that governments have ever maintained. True social harmony grows naturally out of solidarity of interests. In a society where those who always work never have anything, while those who never work enjoy everything, solidarity of interests is non-existent; hence social harmony is but a myth. ~Emma Goldman
dapop1001 7 months ago
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MIDWEST507REPIN 9 months ago
congress is corrupt like the rest of our government income tax is illegally ratified and ron paul makes a good point here our government syeals our money and our government is ran by the private fed banks. this all goes back to jp morgan of chase bank and the rothchilds
okhuntertravis 10 months ago
Money is a representation of labor. When the Government involuntarily steals some of your money it is taking your labor. Working for free against your will is slavery.
Luigi84289 1 year ago 2
The thirteenth amendment never outlaws slavery. Involuntary servitude is perfectly legal as punishment for crime. We are an overcriminalized society. A police state. A nation of lawyers and not of men. So slavery is never over if the powerful can make up crimes to penalize us with slavery such as FEMA labor camps.
911FalseFlagTerror01 1 year ago
@911FalseFlagTerror01 Actually it all comes down to force. As long as the government has an uncontestible monopoly on force we have to live by their rules. They want our money so they take it and there isn't a thing we can do about it. This is why Gun control should be fought against tooth and nail. We need all the force we can get on our end.
Luigi84289 1 year ago
@Luigi84289 If there weren't so many guns in the US, you would be over taken by the Nazis in this country that keep telling you, you live in a democracy. The govt. didn't have any problem killing 100s of thousand of people during the civil war did they? And with the Partriot Act they are monitoring eveything you are typing right now.
guitarconasor 9 months ago
Yet another reason why Ron Paul will never win a general election, his lack of understanding history and the Constitution.
RetSquid 1 year ago
@RetSquid What the hell are you talking about? He wins reelection to Congress so he must be doing something right
rotccadet2010 1 year ago
@rotccadet2010
He is popular in his district, not enough Nationally to win the General Election.
RetSquid 1 year ago
@RetSquid not popular enough nationally? when Ron Paul announced he would try to get on the 2008 ballot, he raised more privately donated campaign money faster than any other politician in history. he's plenty popular, and my choice for 2012.
adjustrealityprod 1 year ago
@adjustrealityprod
Compare how much he raised to how much the Republican party raised. I'm a conservative and I wouldn't vote for him, he doesn't know the Constitution or our laws.
RetSquid 1 year ago
@RetSquid Comparing that would be like saying; look how much Gandhi raised compared to the British Empire. Are you conservative or a neo-con?
TristanH90 11 months ago
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@TristanH90
I'm a Conservative. Paul is more of a Libertarian, and he lacks knowlege about the Constitution, as proven here.
RetSquid 11 months ago
@RetSquid He knows than Obama does and that's good enough for me.
YoungnRomantic 6 months ago
@YoungnRomantic
So he's better than a retarded guy and THAT is your criteria? He is still not popular enough, and he STILL lacks knowlege about the Constitution.
RetSquid 6 months ago
@RetSquid Obama is a joke so I agree with u on that but at the same time, he fights for what I believe in and he's the only one that's getting support across all demographics that I can see because the American People are starting to see the shit hit the fan. The other candidates, which the exception of Michelle Bachmann, seem to just put their head in the sand and not take on the issues.
YoungnRomantic 6 months ago
@YoungnRomantic
So Obama is a joke but you both believe in the same things? You know that make you a joke also?
RetSquid 6 months ago
@RetSquid I believe in what Ron Paul is about and what he's trying to do. I voted for Cynthia McKinney in 2008.
YoungnRomantic 6 months ago
@YoungnRomantic
You actually ADMIT voting for HER?!?!
RetSquid 6 months ago
@RetSquid She supports Father's Rights and IO do too because its needed in the worst way.
YoungnRomantic 6 months ago
@YoungnRomantic
Whatever, She has got to be one of the worst congress critters there is.
RetSquid 6 months ago
@RetSquid I'm for Father's Rights and traditional families, not gay marriage and father's having no rights at all to their children. I voted for her on that issue because Obama is a manhater/misandrist and I can't get down with that shit.
YoungnRomantic 6 months ago
@YoungnRomantic
Well in the REAL world Fathers do have rights, and she is a democrat, so she is anti-rights unless you are gay. And she supports anything Obama would do, so you shot yourself in the foot.
RetSquid 6 months ago
@RetSquid Father's and men as a whole don't have rights. Obama isn't for rights for either of those groups and I don't respect him because he wears alot of hats that make me want tp throw up. This man and Joe Biden among others is a joke.
YoungnRomantic 6 months ago
@YoungnRomantic
Yet you support his supporter.
Fathers and men have the same rights as everyone else. You may have to work to exercise them, but they are there.
RetSquid 6 months ago
@RetSquid Men as a whole don't have the same rights as women do. Look at the world we live in. Women have more rights than men and its done that way on purpose to discourage families, having children, and heterosexual relationships. Basically, FEMINISM =SEXISM !!!!!!
YoungnRomantic 6 months ago
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@YoungnRomantic
And you missed the point. Ron Paul does NOT know the Constitution.
RetSquid 6 months ago
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@adjustrealityprod He will never become president. The two candidates selection has nothing to do with what we think of them.
Luigi84289 1 year ago
@rotccadet2010 Congress like him he gives us hope and that's good for them. I love the guy but the only way things are going to get any better is if we secede. We can't fight them but if we all refuse to anknowledge them and support our states there isn't a whole lot they can do unless they want to try and kill all of us. This is the only way to return to any kind of sane union.
Luigi84289 1 year ago
Not only servitude it's a massive unconstitutional invasion of personal privacy. What right has any government to know how much money an individual makes or what they do with it or who they give it to.
tcan753 1 year ago
Eliminate forced income and property taxes, make them wholly voluntary.
They eliminated forced draft into the military why can't they do the same with our tax system and make it strictly voluntary.
Armahx 1 year ago
the income tax in the context of a big government is a big problem...Paying for services from your salary is fine whether it is to government or not, BUT, the main problems are: that government doesnt use the pot efficiently ,there is looting of the pot (i live in greece) and money diverted to special interests. Just like market makers gang up and drive prices of stock artificially higher, government and corporations gang up and do the same......
AntiPsychopath 1 year ago
@AntiPsychopath Honestly, property tax and income tax are an unjust use of governmental powers against the private property and rights of individuals. A correct tax structure would seek to tax only the sale of goods from the economy. However, this is unlikely to ever happen. Take care.
rtgoodson 1 year ago
We should bring a lawsuit in the Supreme Court to abolish the income tax, on grounds that the 13th Amendment prevents "involuntary servitude" from existing in the United States, also on grounds that the 16th amendment was never ratified by all 50 states rendering it null and void.
sigmapsicharlie 1 year ago
Are you aware that American taxpayers fund various leftist groups in Europe?
dvjesto 1 year ago
Ron Paul may end up in JAIL very very soon ....
sooner than you think
and what are you going to do next ---- This - NOTHING .
So shut the fuck up.
aviomaster 1 year ago
no more income tax!!!!!!!!!!
skyer1201 1 year ago
UHC holds an assumption that the profession of health care is a RIGHT rather than a PRIVILEGE. Pay more taxes and everyone gets health care. The good part is that the profession would no longer be powered by greed and profit margins. Bad part? Higher taxes.
Should we make all steps of the professional world be funded by the government and hand out "G.O.A.T." tests to see where to place students and fund their educations?
hentaiseeker 2 years ago
Nice on!
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860015 2 years ago
I wish everyone had health care. But if I did not choose to labor for it, I would not have health care either. One cannot be expected to carry the water for two as a matter of practice. Sure, some cannot in their current circumstances. How about changing their circumstances? If unable then enable. If powerless then empower. If unemployed then employ. If lazy, then oh well.
MrJohnConservative 2 years ago 27
its not that easy there are unseen forces delaying and even hindering plans and outcomes but that would be to long to explain
860015 2 years ago
The Fed prints the money out of thin air. What did they do to labor for it other than to subjugate you? Believe me you already are carrying the water for well over two as a matter of default.
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@MrJohnConservative
"I wish everyone had health care"
This sentence is directly contradicted bye every other thing you say. I can thus only conclude that it's a lie to either convince others or your self that you genuinely care about the welfare of other people
"How about changing their circumstances?"
Good idea
BUT
In the MEAN TIME any situation requiring hospitalization either kills them or bankrupts them
I find either to be unacceptable
"If unable then enable" = universalizing HC
herbzilla12 1 year ago
@MrJohnConservative Go to a nursing home and give that speech to all the senior citizens on welfare.
Laughingblades 5 months ago
@Mrheaduphisass How wonderful, and I would believe you if it weren't for the BS post you did previously.
Frostweld 4 months ago
@MrJohnConservative How is a powerless person supposed to empower? The way people, mostly the ones with power, whether they worked for it or not, is "if you're at the bottom, then you should just pull up your boot straps and rise, get to the top" It's not that easy, imagine a dogpile of kids on the play ground, all the other, bigger kids on top of him. He can't possibly get out of that no matter how hard he tries, he wishes he could, but unless he gets extreme luck, he can't do it.
TheAndiePerson 4 months ago
@MrJohnConservative Luck would be a teacher coming over and telling all the kids to get off the poor kid, or one of them taking pity and convincing the others to get off and let him up for some air. The same is with being poor, if you're at the bottom, you're not gonna get up unless you have some EXTREME luck. And for poor people extreme luck is getting $200 from something you set up a long time ago to pay the next bill. When you don't have money, people don't charge you any less.
TheAndiePerson 4 months ago
@MrJohnConservative Which makes it that much more valuable, and even tougher to get. Especially when people look down on you for not having money. And if an unexpected charge comes your way, look out. People don't like being at the bottom, but the world would rather keep them there than help out, and give them any luck. It saddens me that we live in a country that is so OK with being two-faced and greedy. "We are America, we care for eachother" Oh and tax the poorest ones.
TheAndiePerson 4 months ago
Some of these "needy" people I know personally. Known them their whole lives. Their conditions are simply a matter of choice. Nothing I have done has been beyond their ability to do so. My life is the result of my pursuit of life. Do not penalize me for their unwillingness to put forth effort. Again, health care is a service such as any other. Like it or not. Since your so generous, how about buying lunch.
MrJohnConservative 2 years ago 12
@MrJohnConservative So being paraplegic is a matter of choice? What about having an acute hiatal hernia is that a matter of choice? Is having a slipped disc a matter of choice? Some people look healthy at first glance but have shit that's severely wrong with them, I know a guy who can bend over every once and awhile to lift boxed or something but if does anything that strains his stomach much he starts belching acid fumes and it gets worse over time until he's vomiting up acid if he doesn't stop
Laughingblades 5 months ago
@MrJohnConservative Truth has nothing to do with your phony post. If, as you say the story is true, how long have you known this person and why haven't you turned them in to what ever federal agency for investigation? Stories like yours are designed to enrage people, or better still, herd people in to your way of thinking. Sadly, most will fall for your Bullshit story. The only reason we debate this is, unfortunately health care is about making money, not about people. Sad
Frostweld 4 months ago
Your idea of universal health care is ludicrous. It is based solely on the concept on placing laborers in a position of involuntary servitude. It suggests that should I choose at some point to quit my job, thereby placing myself in a needy status, I would be entitled to free health care at your expense. Can I also forward the rest of my bills to you, too? If you cared about the children you would have higher expectations of the parents. Rather, you only continue the cycle. Pure genius, really.
MrJohnConservative 2 years ago 6
@MrJohnConservative Right.. Who cares about the other 100 million americans who can't afford heath insurance as long as you're insured! Nice logic and attitude. Do you realize universal health care would cost you less than what you're paying now? You might have to wait a bit longer for service but isn't that a small price to pay knowing everyone has coverage and is taken care of? or do you only think of yourself?
aieljose 6 months ago
@aieljose
Where are you gettting this 100,000,000 number from? And how do you think that covering 1/3 more people would cost less? And who would want to wait months for a doctor's visit and maybe tens of months for diagnostic equipment or years for an operation?
RetSquid 6 months ago
@RetSquid LOL Who told you it would take months for a doctors visit? I live in canada. We have universal health care and the longest i have had to wait for a visit to the doctor is 5-6 days. Years for an operation? rofl! I have no idea why you think the sysyem is that slow but i sugesst you do some research and learn about how the universal health care system works because you've already proven you're ignorance. If you're interested in the uninsured statistics, i suggest you look them up.
aieljose 6 months ago
@aieljose
So all of the people that come down here for faster treatment are lying?
Here is the data from your own government:
Hip replacement in N.S. wait up to 727 days.
Knee replacement: 825 days.
Ultrasound: 2 weeks to 267 days.
Source: GOV DOT NS DOT CA
RetSquid 6 months ago
@RetSquid So you're using all the extreme cases to prove you're point huh? Nice subjective arguement. With you're logic i guess you're entire heath care system sucks because of all of the patients who have died because they were refused coverage by you're insurance companies. Even though they were insured. Of course there are extreme cases in both systems but our system works as a whole. All you guys do is complain about you're health care, but then you are unwilling to accept alternatives.
aieljose 6 months ago
@aieljose
Compare it to times in the U.S. and see what they are.
RetSquid 6 months ago
@RetSquid You guys are you're own worst enemy. Sad because you don't know what you're missing.
aieljose 6 months ago
@aieljose
Yeah, We like to call them "Freedoms", something you lack. The less government, the better life is.
RetSquid 6 months ago
@RetSquid Yes, the freedom to die if you're not insured. You can keep you're "freedom"
aieljose 6 months ago
@aieljose
Nope you can always get emergency care, anywhere, anytime. And not that many people are permanently uninsured.
RetSquid 6 months ago
@RetSquid LOL Do you realize how patients have to fight insurance compaines to get treatment even though they are full insured? Do you realize how many have died as a result? I really hope you are not one of those unlucky people who have to go through that. I sincerely do. I love what i have and wouldn't change it ever.
aieljose 6 months ago
@aieljose We see news stories with canadians all the time, who have come here because the surgery they need is not available in a timely manner. If you and your doctor deside you need a knee replacement today, can you get it tomorrow, or maybe next week? must you wait for it to be approved by your government? That's the most disgusting part of socialism, waiting to see if the government approves of a personal business decision. Before can get a loan from a willing lender,Gov must ok it, eg
robodril1 2 months ago
Care to qualify "bullshit?" People choose to serve in health care just as they choose to serve in any other field. It's a profession of choice. People have no more right to free health care than a free lunch. Being sentimental is fine but not at the price of being impractical. I have health care because I pay for it. I can pay for it because I labor 14 hours a day. I labor because I choose to. It's called personal responsibility. Try handing out job applications. You might help someone.
MrJohnConservative 2 years ago 3
Health practitioners are no different than mechanics or the guy flipping burgers. It is a service. A service which must be paid for. My sweat belongs to me, the fruits of my labor happen to be my fruit. It is sick for you to suggest servitude of one to another. Nothing I have is unachieveable by those with a desire to do so. Keep your sticky fingers to yourself. You may enslave yourself if you wish but you have no right to enslave me against my will. Reality must be a serious inconvenience.
MrJohnConservative 2 years ago 5
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"Health practitioners are no different than mechanics or the guy flipping burgers"
Bullshit
maxine2win 2 years ago
Health care is not a right, but a service as with any other service. Those serving that industry are providing a service that must be paid for. This concept of free handouts with no end in sight lacks serious intelligence rather it is more or less wishful thinking. You must think money grows on trees or something. Their right is a right to personal achievement. Effort pays off in the end. No effort, no payoff.
MrJohnConservative 2 years ago
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That's sick and wrong. Health care IS a human right, not a luxury or "service". Of course those involved should be paid, but it should NOT be denied millions because of poverty, especially children. Personal achievement? That's just revolting crap. A person shouldn't have to "acheive" the right to see a doctor when they're sick or hurt. And, AGAIN, the poor are working harder than anyone in this society.
ColumbiaCowboy 2 years ago
Bob must not desire to better himself otherwise there would be some sort of evidence to the contrary. What is bob's excuse? And I, working far from home, long hours, etc. am supposed to invite bob to my dinner table? I make more money simply by the fact of effort. More effort = more money. Myself, much effort. Bob, no effort. And I owe Bob? You don't suggest Bob should seek some type of employment? Bob is a real person. And he is as I have described him. You would reward laziness when it exists?
MrJohnConservative 2 years ago
More effort equals more money? That's laughable. You think the millionaire CEOs we're bailing out on wallstreet work harder than the guys on the road crew?
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860015 2 years ago
Obviously, your still missing the point. The people I am referring to are known individuals not faceless strangers. Let's call one of them "Bob." Bob and I grow up just down the road from each other, attend the same class, and vary little other than our names. I work full time, bob does not although he is just as suited for work as I am. I put forth effort, bob does not. Bob is also known to be on food stamps, takes to alcohol and other substances, and shows no motivation to excel.
MrJohnConservative 2 years ago
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You don't know EVERY PERSON IN THE WORLD. This one person doesn't represent those who ARE denied equal opportunity. And what you call "excelling" isn't something that should be expected just to LIVE of every human being. You're getting plenty of extras that they cannot afford, but trying to deny food and health care is immoral.
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860015 2 years ago
Why should a person willing to work support someone who does not? Again, I'm not talking about strangers but well known people. The higher tax bracket is the result of my willingness to work extended hours. Not because Santa Claus gift wrapped some money for me. What I have comes through personal effort. "Those people" can work as I do but choose not to. That is a fact. You fail to expect any sort of effort on their part. You expect me to slave away while they watch TV? Hell, no. Your crazy.
MrJohnConservative 2 years ago 2
Your higher tax bracket is because you make more MONEY. Quit your crying, you're obviously doing pretty well for yourself, you should be glad. I'm in a fairly high bracket, you don't hear me whining and crying about it. Because I know people in deep poverty who work harder every day than I EVER will. It's not "Santa Clause" for a person to feed their family or see the doctor when they're sick, these are HUMAN RIGHTS for ANY person whether YOU think they "work hard" or not.
ColumbiaCowboy 2 years ago
Are your reading and comprehension skills really that bad? I described a true to life scenario where you have a small school class where the students of that class know each other, attended the same classes, raised in similar settings, etc. A small community where literally everything is known about a person. A portion of the class have worked full time constanly building on their lives. The remainder have shown no effort of any kind. They are known to not work, live on food stamps, drugs, etc.
MrJohnConservative 2 years ago
No, I read fine, and I KNOW that millions in this country do NOT have the same educational opportunity, do NOT have the same job opportunities, are disabled or have health problems and cannot get them addressed because of poverty, so DON'T tell me everyone has the same opportunity because it just ain't so. The idea that poor people CHOOSE to be poor, that they just don't "work hard enough" is a sick lie.
Not to mention the FACT that a huge percentage of people in poverty are CHILDREN.
ColumbiaCowboy 2 years ago
We all started life the same, educated the same, the same opportunities were available to them as to me. Sympathy? I served my country and they serve only themselves at our expense and you want SYMPATHY? I sweat for what I have and they only sweat while breaking in on me. These aren't strangers, their lives and history are known. Sympathy? No sir, no sympathy. Thou shalt reap what thou sowest. I've been in the "field" my whole life while you wish to rob peter to pay paul. Get paul off his ass.
MrJohnConservative 2 years ago 4
Lie. There are millions who do NOT have the same educational opportunity the same job opportunity, the same health care opportunity, it's just NOT available equally. Saying they "serve only themselves" is a dispicable thing. You insult a person who cannot feed his family for wanting to? For wanting to see a doctor when you're sick? No sympathy means no decency, no humanity. You're what's wrong with this nation, selfishness and hate.
ColumbiaCowboy 2 years ago
Perhaps you live in a large community where there are many strangers. Not so here. I served in the military and currently drive a semi-truck. Nothing so difficult that they could not do as well. You can't even go to a doctors appointment without the waiting room being filled with those people. They whip out medical cards and I pay out the nose for insurance. I'm rewarded for 14hr days by being put in a higher tax bracket. I pay sales tax and they use food stamps. I'm supposed to feel sympathy?
MrJohnConservative 2 years ago 2
"Those people."
You mean minorities, obviously.
Could you POSSIBLY be any more racist?
Health care is a right, there is NO excuse to think ANYONE doesn't deserve to see a doctor when they're sick, doesn't DESERVE to feed their family. Whining about being in a higher tax bracket instead of realizing you're there because you make more money is just pathetic. You should be grateful, instead all YOU do is complain about those who are barely surviving, like THEY'RE the problem.
ColumbiaCowboy 2 years ago
@ColumbiaCowboy
Could you possibly be any more ignorant? Don't tell me that I have to pay for someone else's laziness. Yes, healthcare in this nation is broken, but allowing competition to lower prices is the way to fix it, not socializing and thus consolidating it further. Socialism favors big business because big business can afford regulation while small business cannot, how can you not see that? It's a very simple concept really, even the tea baggers figured it out. So, why can't you?
VegitoVai90 1 year ago
You seem to have the inability to address point for point. I received the same education as others in my class. We all know each other and have so since beginning school. Out of my class we have had a few teachers, soldiers, lawyers, nurses, etc. Also out of my class we have had drunks, welfare recipients, drug users and drug sellers, thieves, etc. Same class, same upbringing in a small community. So you are suggesting my willingness to labor to compensate for their conditions? Is that right?
MrJohnConservative 2 years ago 4
Others in your class...there are millions who do NOT have equal opportunity in education, in health care, in job opportunity.
If you're asking me is it right to help those in need, I'm telling you it's not even a question that should be asked. It is NOT right NOT to help them. Do you think they WANT to be on welfare? WANT addiction?
ColumbiaCowboy 2 years ago
I didn't make straight A's, have wealthy parents, etc. First I joined the Army and served proudly for 10 years active as well as 2 years reserve while in college. Today, I am an over the road truck driver pulling 14 hr. days. I am representative of a family committed to America since the before the revolution. Education? My sister home shools and her two kids are nearly prepped for college and they are still at grade school age. Educational funding, a pathetic joke. Funds don't create motivation
MrJohnConservative 2 years ago
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Funds create opportunity. Saying "educational funding, a pathetic joke" is a sick lie. You WANT the poor and those denied opportunity to REMAIN in that condition.
ColumbiaCowboy 2 years ago
Among those who do not labor you will find your thieves, drunks, drug users, and other persons by which their conduct serves only to degrade the society as a whole. Nothing I have personally achieved in life is out of reach for any citizen willing to step up. This is the land of opportunity, not the land of automatic compensation. You, sir, are sadly blind to this. You respond emotionally rather than rooting your thoughts in common sense. Where you went astray I cannot begin to guess.
MrJohnConservative 2 years ago
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This racist horsecrap that the poor are all "theives drunks drug uses and those who degrade society" is horrible and unAmerican. There are those working and honest STILL trapped in poverty denied opportunity and by underfunding our schools their children are trapped in the same poverty. There's no common sense in this, it's just cheap racism and selfishness.
ColumbiaCowboy 2 years ago
Social security is an abomination. It helped create a welfare state that remains constantly in need. Those willing to work and strive to achieve are penalized while a large portion of society does nothing to better themselves or the nation. My county is a perfect place to observe this. Everybody knows everybody. Those who work contribute directly and indirectly to the betterment of the community. Those who do not contribute to the degradation of same. Easily seen and understood.
MrJohnConservative 2 years ago 4
Lie. There is no "welfare state." This "abomination" turned our poverty rate among the elderly from OVER 70 PERCENT to neear nothing. Abomination? Poverty is the abomination. There are MILLIONS not just willing to work but working FAR harder than anyone will imagine STILL trapped in poverty.
ColumbiaCowboy 2 years ago
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Interesting note...these summer soldiers and sunshine patriots want hoarding wealth to be seen as "freedom" and part of their rights.
Perhaps, but remember, none is free unless ALL are free, so as you work to DENY opportunity to others...those without education, without health care, without opportunity, without hope...we are NOT a free people.
ColumbiaCowboy 2 years ago
"As effective or efficient as government?" That is completely ludicrous. As stated previously, just how did the U.S. function prior to income tax. Since income comes from labor, a tax would have to be considered a labor tax. Precisely where in the constitution does it allow for such a thing. Capital gains, yes. Gains through personal labor, no. America came into existence as the result of opposing authority and the law. My responsibility as an American is to uphold it values and ideals. Freedom
MrJohnConservative 2 years ago
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The US "functioned" before the income tax with a MASSIVE percentage unable to read and write, which at the time people could get by with, we now no longer can, a person without an education has no HOPE. We're far better off now than we were then, we also were NOT committed militarily as we are now. There is no "values" in refusing to meet our responsibility to others.
ColumbiaCowboy 2 years ago
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No, you are violating the natural rights of others when you refuse to provide sick children health care, refuse to provide EVERY child educational opportunity. Charity would rise SLIGHTLY without taxes, nowhere even in the same UNIVERSE to the massive increase in need. It's a joke to claim that private charity is the answer, people working TOGETHER..,in other words, government, which you hate so but is NOTHING but people working together...is the only answer. You ignore these true values.
ColumbiaCowboy 2 years ago
The U.S. has but ONE political organ and it's
not founded on egalitarian principles. It's driven
by forces that are committed to consolidating
power, capital, oil, and armies.
AffirmedConclusion 2 years ago