777zippy777 I always yawn when I'm interested you're just mad because your dad didn't let you play football because you sucked and now you go around hating on the people that are better than you o wait that's everybody
if u look at peyton manning videos often u will notice 777zippy777 leaves comment doggin peyton on all the manning videos..... hes a hater and a troll
Manning is no different than any of the other elite QBs. Put him on a crappy team and he suddenly looks like Jay Cutler out there. But delusional Manning fans would have us believe that he's so cerebral and could take any below-average team to the playoffs. Well the Colts are 6-5 overall and 2-3 without most of Manning's weapons.
Luckily for Manning, he's faced FIVE teams with the worst 4 pass defenses in the NFL (HOU twice, NE, WASH and JAC) or the Colts would probably be 4-7.
@RockRampage74 But you listen anyway. Nice game from your boy yesterday btw. 11 picks in 3 games? 4 pick sixes? Is that even possible for an NFL quarterback? Wow, he's just so cerebral.
@777zippy777 No worries, 20 years from now, everyone's going to remember the 400 touchdown passes and 54,000 yards, as of now. And I'll probably make it a point to not listen to you much more, just checked your profile. A 30 year old man dedicated to hating a pro football player. Nice.
@RockRampage74 Not only a listener but a stalker too! Sweet. 20 years from now, they will remember all the gaudy regular season stats... and they'll really remember the fact that he was only able to muster one SB win... over a team led by Rex Grossman. My profile page is designed to get a response from Mantards- nice to see it's working well!
@777zippy777 Yeah, just like that Steve Young guy that nobody remembers, except with exceptional stats. Or Joe Namath and Joe Theismann. No one remembers them. I wonder, do you only pull against Peyton Manning or are you actually a football fan?
@RockRampage74 I think everyone pretty much remembers that Young, Namath and Theismann only won one SB. Peyton will go down as the greatest regular season QB and the greatest QB to only win one SB. That's not too shabby.
@MoronsIncorporated1 Well the page took me about 5-10 minutes to do about 11 months ago, so it's not really like I put a lifetime's work into it. But thanks for checking it out! That's what it's there for: the prying, stalking eyes of frustrated Colts fans!
@MoronsIncorporated1 No I do a lot more than just hate on Manning. I usually only set aside about, oh, 10 to 20 minutes of actual hating-on-Manning time per day. And that's on a good day. Plus it's not like it used to be, what with Manning sucking ass balls this year. So I spend much less time on it now.
@777zippy777 Yeah, just like that Steve Young guy that nobody remembers, except with record-breaking stats. Or Joe Namath and Joe Theismann. No one remembers them. I wonder, do you only pull against Peyton Manning or are you actually a football fan?
@777zippy777 Of course, you're a troll, so there's no reason to listen to you. Yes, Manning has had a bad year, but couldn't the same thing be said about so many other quarterbacks in the league? Drew Brees played below average for the struggling Chargers and had to be helped up by LaDanian Tomlinson. Tom Brady is luck he was drafted into a good system. Peyton probably wouldn't throw 49 touchdowns with the Broncos, but I'm sure he would look a lot better than Jay Cutler.
lol how do people argue tht peyton manning is not the best qb in the league right now.....this guy calls his own damn plays makes the defense looks silly he is the smartest qb ever. you can put any reciever with peyton manning and they will automatically be a good reciever
@baino320 I've gone over this and over this with so many people, you're not going to tell me anything I haven't already heard a hundred times over from delusional Manning fans who think his shit smells like roses, so don't even try. You got your opinions, I got mine.
@777zippy777 im not even that big of a peytton manning fan buddy you jsut got to respect the guy for how good he is lol its not a opinion he is obviously amazing
@777zippy777 lol look at his fucking team dude!!! he has absoultly no run game to help him once so ever........everyone on his team is injured form linemen to running bakcs that suck anyway dallas clark austin collie was his defense and he is still winning ball games
@baino320 He's been without Clark and Addai for 5 games and Collie for most of those 5 games. And in those 5 games, he's 2-3 with 9 TD passes, 9 INTs, a lousy 6.1 YPA and a terrible 72.9 passer rating.
I find it hilarious that all you Manning fans that have claimed for years that he would be awesome and could win with ANY team, are suddenly telling everyone the reason he's sucking so bad is because of his team.
@777zippy777 its just u cant denine he is a amazing quarterback for all that he has to do like yea other quarter backs do audibles but he does them every single play and most of the times he has to do it with new guys that dont even no it
@baino320 I think what he does at the line of scrimmage, impressive yeah, but it tends to be a little overblown. People think because he runs up and down the line, yelling to all his teammates "Rover! Rover! Utah! Utah! Omaha! Omaha!" and spazzily flailing his arms around, that he's this incredible genius. He doesn't do that line of scrimmage shit any better than Rivers or Brady or any other elite QB that's ever run an offense to near perfection.
Peyton manning DOES NOT SUCK. He is at least in the top 5 greatest QB's of all time. People are always saying that he had good receivers and such. If that was true, after marvin harrison retired, shouldn't the colts have declined? NO! Peyton manning made austin collie and pierre garcon look GREAT. Not to mention dallas clark. Also, if he's so friggin bad, how do points get on the board? SURELY NOT the defense. Peyton manning is the team. Without peyton, the colts are a 3 win team at best
btw, nobody want to see these inbreed rednecks in gooberville, whats this video suppose to mean, look at our dying white america, what once was? lol these crackers are yesterdays news, the new american consist of latinos.
To all the people arguing brady vs manning... manning vs brady... thats shits over now. Brady has been playing 11 years now and has only thrown 3 4,000 yard seasons. to mannings 10 4,000 yard seasons in 13 years. Tom brady is a product of Bill Belichekcs mastermind offence. though he has mastered that system extrememtly well. Manning is a product of his own offence, and is clearly the General of the whole colts organization. Dont BS with rings the Pats always have a Top 5 D every year.
the funny thing was is that manning threw 6 picks but almost won if it wasnt for vinetari missing that 23 yearder that woudv given them a 1 point lead in the 4th quarter
I think the supporting cast and the coach had as much to do with the Super Bowl wins as anything. Rothlessberger has 2 and I think its just this side of dumb luck. But Peyton does get edgy in the big game. I think they got 10 - 0 on the Saints to quick and easy last year and played afterward to protect that lead other than take it to them. He can get his blood up and become predictable and foces that which isn't there as in the Steelers loss a few years back.
No one has spoiled a fan base or a team like manning. I've said this before, the pats the steelers and others have all had lots of talent when they win. DO the colts really have thaaat much talent? outside of freeney and mathis, who on their team is super great? People think manning has great wideouts, he was beating the patriots in the afc title game throwing to guys like aaron morehead and bryan fletcher. The guy makes any wideouts look good.
@TheSlothook Well yeah, Moorehead caught 3 passes for 23 yds and Fletcher caught 1 pass for 32. But you seem to have forgotten the other 3 receivers Peyton had on the field that day: Wayne, Harrison and Clark. Plus, Dungy's halftime adjustment where he switched Harrison and Wayne at the line of scrimmage really helped the Colts' offense. Manning HAS had great wideouts and DOES make them better, but let's not pretend it was ALL Manning.
@TheSlothook I wouldn't put it like that. I don't even really like to say Brady is "better" than Manning. I just prefer Brady's overall career to Manning's as far as the all-time greatest QB list goes. Manning's the better pure passer IMO and is the greatest regular season QB of all-time, but Brady has a better combination of stats and wins and championships. Just like I wouldn't put Manning ahead of Montana, even though Manning's reg season stats destroy Montana's. It's complicated.
@777zippy777 but wins seem to be a relative thing. Consider this. The year brady blows his knee out, a matt cassel led team gets 11 wins. THe year brady comes back, they win 10 games and get destroyed in the playoffs. Now, the 11 win team didn't make the playoffs and the 10 win team did and got destroyed. Do you see my pt in all of this? Looking at playoff wins is really not a great indicator of a great qb.
@TheSlothook Yeah, but you're comparing the 2008 Pats to the 2009 Pats, which is not a fair comparison because the 2009 Pats defense was horrible AND Brady was coming off a major knee injury. Compare the 2008 Pats to the 2007 Pats- it was the same exact team except for one BIG difference: Brady's 50 TDs, 8 INTs and 18-1 as opposed to Cassel's 21 TDs, 11 INTs and 11-5 and missing the playoffs completely.
@777zippy777 and also, i can name 4 games just off the top of my head where brady absolutely sucked but because his team was so good, they won anyways. Be honest with me, if manning doesn't play well, do the colts really have a chance? And honestly, if manning were to go out week 1, would you really expect the colts to win 11 games? Didn't the fact that cassel went from being an all pro with the pats to mediocre with the chiefs tell you anything?
@TheSlothook Again, this falls under the category of "Anything negative you can say about Brady, I can say about Manning". Do you recall the 2006 postseason when Manning threw 1 TD and 3 picks (71.9 rating) vs the Chiefs? How about the 0 TD-2 pick (39.6 rating) performance vs the Ravens right after that? Guess what? The Colts won both of those playoff games. USUALLY as Manning goes, so go the Colts. But not ALWAYS.
@TheSlothook If Manning went out in week 1, I'd think the Colts would generally suck. But now you're talking about comparing two totally different QBs. Painter and Cassel. Cassel had the LUXURY of studying under Brady and that offense for 3 solid years before 2008. He KNEW that offense. If you studied the shit out of one thing for THREE years, you'd probably be pretty damn good at it. If the Colts ever went out and got themselves a DECENT backup QB, they would still be a damn good team too.
@TheSlothook Yes, it told me that ANY QB, I don't care how great he is, will absolutely SUCK on a shitty team. Look at Steve Young when he was in Tampa Bay- he SUCKED. Then he became a HOFer with the 49ers. You want another example? Take a gander at the 2001 Colts. They were 6-10 and Manning threw 26 TDs with a whopping 23 INTs that year. THAT is what Manning would be like on a shitty team.
@TheSlothook And Cassel wasn't exactly an ALL-PRO in 2008. He didn't even make the pro bowl. (Manning was the starter, Favre, Cutler and Collins were the reserves) 21 TDs and 11 picks in a sea of great QBs tends to do that to you. All-pro?? Please, let's try and just stick with the facts and not blow something out of proportion in an attempt to make your argument appear to carry more weight.
@777zippy777 you have to also remember, cassel in the beggining struggled, but look at the pts output later in the year. And do you really think sorgie by your logic would do just fine with the colts if manning went out? Also, what I am trying to harp on is the fact that the one year the pats defense struggles, is it any shock that the pats get utterly demolished in ravens game? But wait, i thought brady was money in the playoffs. See...its a new exp for a qb when you must carry a game
@TheSlothook my comparison to the ravens game is this. manning virtually his entire career has had to carry a leaky defense and no run game. BTw, his wideouts are also pretty mediocre in the playoffs too..marvin harrison has just 1 td in the postseason. But brady? every year except for 09, his defense was good enough to keep him in games no matter how lousy he played. also if you watched the game, aside from the begining, brady had time to throw, but the ravens sat in zone and he cudnt solve it
@TheSlothook Well, how well did Manning solve the Saints defense? Not very well as it turns out. And his wideouts are mediocre in the playoffs? Wait, don't Manning fans always claim that Manning MADE those receivers great? Manning MADE Harrison a HOFer and turned Wayne and Clark into all-pros. Right? Ahhh, but then, if they don't play well in the postseason, it's the RECEIVERS fault, not Manning's. Even though Manning MADE the Colts receivers great. That literally makes no sense.
@TheSlothook I can easily sit here and freely admit when Brady has choked or played horribly or not well enough in playoff and postseason games. (Denver '05, Indy '06, Giants '07, Ravens '09) But for some reason, Colts fans have this bizarre inability to EVER cast any sort of blame at all EVER on their Messiah QB. It's really a miracle of nature and I have yet to fully understand it. It's been 7 months since XLIV and I have yet to hear ONE single Colts fan blame Manning for the pick 6.
@TheSlothook And you talk about time to throw? I watched as Manning was knocked down ONCE, sacked zero times and was heavily-pressured MAYBE 10 times in XLIV. Manning's O-line has been one of the best at pass-blocking in the NFL for a long time. But this is a favorite tactic of Manning fans: Claiming the O-line, run game, defense, special teams, etc... has ALWAYS (and I mean ALWAYS) been mediocre, horrible, dreadful, not worthy of a high school team. But that it's ALL MANNING. Lmfao.
@777zippy777 Ill say this, most football sites, pundits, and general analysts have said manning carries his team more than any qb has ever done. Btw, football outsiders did a stat to determine how good his wideouts were in cotext of the offense...guess what? most of them were mediocre? is that a surprise/ The pt i was making about the playoff wins for brady was to show the arbitrary nature of playoff wins. To say so and so is better because of wins is really misleading.
@TheSlothook Manning is the MVP of the Colts and usually the league, no question. I don't know who these "football outsiders" are, but saying that Harrison, Wayne and Clark are "mediocre" football players in any context is ridiculous in the extreme. But also, those same pundits and so-called "experts" are the ones who talk in length about great QBs' winning% and playoff "wins" and # of championships the greats have 'won". Of course it's a team sport, but it's also a QB-driven league.
@777zippy777 i will explain why manning goes 12-4 every year but fails in the playoffs. Its a result of him facing great teams in the playoffs vs decent teams in the regular season. I fully believe a great qb can get u enough wins in the regular season because of the teams u face. But, in the playoffs, every team is talented and then the game comes down to whos team is better, and thus the qb's influence is less. THats why when brady was with a less powerful team, he gets utterly demolished.
@TheSlothook That's true, and there are two ways you can look at it: Obviously we all know it's truly a team sport and I would never put 100% blame on Manning for every postseason loss in his career, but great QBs are measured by championships. Listen to any all-time great QBs rant by any pundit, sportswriter, expert, etc... and the first thing they mention is how many NFL titles they "won". This is why Montana, Bradshaw, Starr, Aikman are 4 of the most prominent names out there.
@TheSlothook It's just the way it is, fair or not. And how much "less powerful" were the Patriots compared to the Rams in '01? 14-point underdogs in that SB! Brady's final drive was the stuff of legend whether you agree with that or not. A 6th round QB making his 17th career start and he calmly leads a 14-pt underdog from his own 17 with 1:20 left and no timeouts into FG range when all logic said to play for OT. THAT'S what great QBs do. And he did it again 2 SBs later vs Carolina.
@777zippy777 brady losing to the ravens didnt mean brady was worse this year than most years. ARe u really saying brady this year was worse than the 02, 01 version? because actually, his stats and overall offensive responsibilities were much higher this year than those years. the truth is, he had to carry his team in the playoffs when they fell behind and he cudnt/ thats really the first time brady has experienced what manning goes thru. Try for one sec to look beyond just wins and losses.
@TheSlothook Brady had the best statistcal season of his career (sans 2007) in 2009. But fell apart at the end with injuries and the loss of his favorite receiver one week before their first playoff game. Excuses aside, Brady played horribly and it WAS very reminiscent of what Manning had to go through in the early part of the decade. It just shows that QBs can't win games all by themselves, but that doesn't change the perception that QBs careers are defined by titles won. Look at Marino...
@777zippy777 I gotta laugh. It's just that you wrote so damn much I didn't have the patience to read it. I don't know if you love or hate the Mannings or are a Patriot fan or anything.
@1967mustanggta I prefer Brady to Manning but Manning is an insanely great QB. He's one more SB win away from probably being considered the GOAT. The only negative on his resume' right now is the 9-9 and the pick six.... and that Oreos commercial...
@TheSlothook Well, we'll never know about Sorgi will we? That's a dead issue because I don't argue hypothetical situations. How many games has Sorgi started in his 6-year NFL career? ZERO. And 156 total pass attempts to go with that.
@TheSlothook Name me ONE of the all-time great QBs that was ALWAYS money in the playoffs. Just one. You won't be able to, because it doesn't happen that way. Brady played horribly against the Ravens as did the O-line and the defense. No different than some of Manning's early career postseason atrocities. It's the NFL. Great QBs don't win the super bowl every single year of their careers.
@TheSlothook Brady is 14-4 in the postseason, Manning is 9-9. Now if Manning is carrying that team every single year, then why is it suddenly someone else's fault when the Colts lose in the postseason? He "carries" them to 12-14 wins every year... but when they lose in the postseason, suddenly it's not Manning, it was the run game's fault or the defense's fault? Not buying it. Give him credit for the wins? Then give him blame for the losses.
@TheSlothook The Colts are loaded offensively with talent. He's always had talent surrounding him offensively. The defense has always been underrated. Dungy just played conservative defense, and didn't ask for much from his defense. Antoine Bethea and Bob Sanders are the only other big name players. The Patriots never really had any big name players defensively either. They just played great D in the system.
@Hondaftw1 If the colts were really loaded with talent offensively, why then when harrison leaves and gonzalez gets injured, that suddenly austin collie and garcon look good? Colts just got lucky again? Hard to also include sanders considering hes been injured more often than having played,. As for the pats...while its a system d to an extent...i wud argue..wilfork, warren and seymore were all great players as was harrison...the rest were good.
@TheSlothook It's not luck. When Manning throws the ball nearly 600 times, someone has to catch it. Collie and Garcon are just a product of a pass heavy offense. And they're still the 3rd and 4th option, so they're never covered by the elite DB's. Wayne and Clark take up most of the coverage. And Sanders is easily they're top defensive player when healthy. The run defense numbers when he plays speak for themselves.
@Hondaftw1 I really don't know what you are arguing. How talented are the colts really? you argue that its wayne and clark, but other teams have elite players that aren't as effective or nearly as consistent as the colts...see chargers, cowboys, patriots, green bay etc. ANd btw, the pt of collie and garcon is to illustrate more that peyton can get baseline production out of anyone. Offenses that throw alot don;t do that to just pad stats, they do that because that is their best way to score
@TheSlothook I wasn't arguing. You questioned if the Colts were a very talented team, when they're clearly the most talented offense in the NFL. Obviously Peyton Manning is the main reason why, but there's no denying the talent he always has at his disposal. The past 12/17 1st Round selections have been all offensive players. He has two 1st Round backs, and two 1st Round receivers right now.
@Hondaftw1 by that logic, the jags who've invested in defensive ends, defensive tackles, and a safety have a good pass rush/pass defense and they have neither. I would argue the colts overall talent isn't nearly as good as you think. Why are the cowboys or the pats not listed as teams with more talent? just because they were taken in the first round doesn't mean they are good.
@Hondaftw1 I actually think the colts have a few very talented players...the rest are mediocre, including the offense...clark is only good in a pass heavy offense. Reggie wayne is good i admit, but the rest are really a function of manning. even the o line is quite mediocre to poor...even the matchup show guys all say so and they have access to the all 22 film.
@TheSlothook The Colts officially have more talented players than the Patriots. Let's see... Brady, Welker, uh, um, hmm, let's see... yep, that's about it!
@TheSlothook lol this goober is the most overrated qb in nfl history, you can't argue hes a good QB because of his stats, becuase if that were the case then tony romo would be a far better qb than manning. this guy is a choke arrtest, the chargers have owned him for years in the playoffs, he has won 1 superbowl which is irrelevent because even trent dilfer has a ring.
this guy just sucks when it comes to winning the game. he can't lead a team to a come from behind win.
@TheEndofdays311 LOL? you are actually wrong on so many levels...did you know his playoff passer rating is higher than bradys? Did you know his close game wins are 35-11(oh yeah that is actually the most in nfl history) and significantly higher than bradys. He is routinely ranked by Defensive coordinators as the hardest player in the game to stop. Most scouts and analysts have admitted that he is widely the best qb in the nfl.
@TheSlothook , lol three consecutive losses to the chargers, 6 years in the nfl before winning a playoff game, epic fail in last years superbowl, if you want to make yourself believe this fucking cracker is good then you got issues, he fucking blows in big games.
and when it comes to stats romo is in the top 5 all time , by your argument romo should be considered one of the best.
@TheEndofdays311 So, unless you have a real argument to make backed up by some evidence, dont just respond with more idiotic comments like he sucks or he can't win close games because its obvious you have no idea what you are talking about.
what was the quote he said in a diffrent clip. Bill polian was gonna draft ryan leaf and peyton says to him something like if you pass me up I will make you regret it for the next 15 years
@777zippy777 haha..nah....he was just saying the same old shit Ive seen here for months zippy..you know that..Im a little tired of those arguments to be honest with you,,,,,lakers?...how bout them cincinnati reds!!...check that..first place cincinnati reds...woot!!
@johnny2366 Hey Johnny, i better not ever catch you telling any youtubers that "Manning calls all the plays, that he runs the whole offense, and that he's practically the O.C." as a reason why you think he's better than Brady. Or i'll be all over you like a cheap suit.
You already said to me that he doesn't so you better not flip flop later bitch.
@jamor111 Hey- let's get something straight right now! I'M the flip-flop king here! Nobody flips and flops better than me! I'm seriously thinking about jumping off the Brady yacht and swimming on over to the Brees bandwagon... what do you guys think? Brees is a MONSTER.
@jamor111 well..you wont see me say that because that isnt what happens...not because Im worried about you being all over me fuck puddle..he does control the offense more than any other qb but he doesnt make the game plan and call the plays...just admit it...you thought you knew what you were talking about and are now pissed because you were wrong...go ahead admit it..I wont tell anyone...
@johnny2366 Nah. I can't get into baseball to save my life. Same with the NBA really. To me, the NBA season starts in mid-May. MLB and NBA is just too damn many games. The NFL kicks their asses. NFL and college football rule. BTW, I've never even been to Boston...
@777zippy777 oh I agree the nfl is king..but in june I dont have that option to feed my sports fix so its always been baseball...for me its nfl 1st..college basketball 2nd..baseball 3rd...and then rest..eh... just kinda get thrown together...I like college football to an extent...but the fact they have no playoff system takes alot of the shine off of it for me...this whole bcs system is crap....but the big ten did get nebraska the other day...that should be interesting
@johnny2366 Hey, jamor111 wants me to tell you if you flip flop he's going to buy a plane ticket to Fort Wayne and blow you while you're sleeping... ???? I think what he said... Hmmm. Seems a little strange to me.
@johnny2366 Fort Lame, lol! I know a pretty hot 36-year old cougar with big giant fake tit-ays that lives there. She's the girlfriend of my Brady-loving friend. I couldn't believe he hooked up with a chick through facebook that lives in Ft Wayne. I figured she's GOTTA be a Manning fan and he hates Manning. Turns out she went to Michigan and loves Brady! Who knew??
@777zippy777 yeah ft lame is a little more up north...lot of people are bear fans and michigan fans up there..before we got the colts it was alot of bears and michigan fans up north...and alot of bengals and whatever else fans through out the state....but this has always been a basketball state first and foremost ( until the last decade or so ) the movie hoosiers was based on the school from my city so it was always basketball here
@777zippy777 haha...well he'll be there alone because that isnt my city either...in fact there might not be anyone at all there because its such a little town
@777zippy777 haha....you're a sox fan though yeah?...I love baseball...it was the first sport I ever played...or watched...you know big red machine of the 70's...pete rose ..johnny bench..cesar geronimo and all those guys
@johnny2366 Hold on there just one minute, Bub! You're a Pete Rose fan?? AHA!! Rose CHEATED! He corked his bat and that was just proven! I have you now! I finally fished you out of your cushy little lair and brought you into the light of day as the monster that you are! A monster so vile...! Anyway... so there it is. Rose is a cheater, the Pats cheated. Boom. I win.
@777zippy777 haha..whered you hear that at?...I know about the gambling...but Ive not heard anything about a corked bat..as far as cheatinf goes...you never wanted to allow it to be a part of the debate before...saying it didnt matter...so thats how it is now too..haha..besaides...I was 10 years old then for christs sake....lol
@johnny2366 Well of course I didn't want it to be part of the debate- it really didn't work in my favor! Google that shit! I even saw it on espn a few days ago. He had a corked bat the year he broke Cobb's hits record. (at least) They x-rayed one of his bats that a collector owned and there was about an 8-inch piece of cork in there that he had drilled in from the top of the bat. "Chea-ter... nothin' but a chea-ter... and you put some cork in your bat, oh no..." (That's Supertramp btw....)
@777zippy777 aahh..so we have at least something in common I see....the seinfeld addiction..as far as the bat goes..I'll need to see a little more than what Im finding so far....which is a picture of a corked bat that someone says was petes but I dont see his name or any other trademarks or anything on it..could be any bat at this point but I'll keep looking for more or better photos
@777zippy777 yeah I found lots of articles on it..but only one photo keeps coming up...and on it there is no writing or trademarks or anything...but I dont doubt he did it....he was driven to do whatever it took to get that record....cheating included
@777zippy777 Hey Zippy tell your buddy Johnny that if he flip flops i'm coming over to his house and Blowing a bunch of Vuvuzela horns while he's sleeping.
I know he starts every game, he's chasing history with that Favre streak. But chasing that record doesn't require winning, chasing 19-0 does. Manning hasn't shown the kind of heart that Brady has shown. Imagine what he would be if he was tougher. I like a certain degree of unsportsmanship, it shows me a toughness that i like. Manning would never run up the score on anyone, he's too soft, but it's that softness that kept him from chasing 19-0 and it's also what kept him from winning SB 44.
@jamor111 oooh... you may be drifting into dangerous waters on some of these points... When you attempt to measure who has more heart, aaiiieee... that's a slippery slope. I wouldn't go there, but that's just me. And equating the possible "cheating" with toughness is also a bit of a conundrum... johnny2366 is a crafty veteran that is no slouch on these youtube pages. He's by far the most difficult Manning-ite to defend against. You can't stop johnny2366, you can only hope to contain him.
@jamor111 He pointed out a game vs Miami in 2001 where Manning's jaw was broken (the Miami player was flagged for it) and he was very much a bloody mess. He came off for one play and went back in. I was not aware of this and Manning's status has risen in my mind because of this. THAT is toughness and a toughness I hadn't put Manning on at all. He gets bonus points for that. If someone did that to me, I'd probably start crying... I mean it. I'm a fuckin' pussy...
@777zippy777 Yeah, Bret Favre is tough too. But you're talking physical toughness and im referring to mental toughness, as in, don't crack under the intense playoff pressure. Brady went for 16-0 and surely would do it again. Manning shied away from the daunting proposition so he's less mentally tough in my book. Alot of Qb's are physically tough. And i can judge heart because i'm giving my opinion, and in my opinion, it takes more heart to chase 19-0 than to chase consecutive starts.
@jamor111 Ah. Well, in the mental toughness contest, I gotta go with Brady. Manning has shown me time and time again that he just doesn't have IT. Now, even Jordan wasn't clutch ALL the time- he didn't win the Finals every year, but IMO, he was the most clutch athlete ever. Jordan, Montana, Tiger, Kobe, Brady. Those guys are simply known for being clutch. What was that top 10 clutch QB list that Brady was on but Manning didn't even make the list? Weren't those "experts" picking those QBs?
@777zippy777 Yeah, plus the whole debacle with Colts fans wanting a perfect season and Manning sitting out. He's the boss of that team and if he wanted it he could've met with the players and said "we're going for it" and they would've backed him, most of them wanted to go for it. Polian, Irsay, an
All I know is they don't say have him this season and the colts are horrible so yeah that's why he is amazing
TheREDSKINSFAN94 2 weeks ago
The Patriots team can full you by making Tom Brady looking like Peyton Manning, and Matt Cassel looking like Tom Brady. 18>12
GackSlayer 4 months ago
777zippy777 I always yawn when I'm interested you're just mad because your dad didn't let you play football because you sucked and now you go around hating on the people that are better than you o wait that's everybody
skeetshooter35 10 months ago
I Really admire this great family in the history of American Sports.
MBOYA22 10 months ago
Manning>Brady
SportsTroll 11 months ago 9
@SportsTroll You must be dreaming it's Manning<Brady.
theYANMINGshow 6 months ago
if u look at peyton manning videos often u will notice 777zippy777 leaves comment doggin peyton on all the manning videos..... hes a hater and a troll
smvgamer2395 1 year ago
Manning is no different than any of the other elite QBs. Put him on a crappy team and he suddenly looks like Jay Cutler out there. But delusional Manning fans would have us believe that he's so cerebral and could take any below-average team to the playoffs. Well the Colts are 6-5 overall and 2-3 without most of Manning's weapons.
Luckily for Manning, he's faced FIVE teams with the worst 4 pass defenses in the NFL (HOU twice, NE, WASH and JAC) or the Colts would probably be 4-7.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 Of course, you're a troll, so there's no reason to listen to you.
RockRampage74 1 year ago
@RockRampage74 But you listen anyway. Nice game from your boy yesterday btw. 11 picks in 3 games? 4 pick sixes? Is that even possible for an NFL quarterback? Wow, he's just so cerebral.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 No worries, 20 years from now, everyone's going to remember the 400 touchdown passes and 54,000 yards, as of now. And I'll probably make it a point to not listen to you much more, just checked your profile. A 30 year old man dedicated to hating a pro football player. Nice.
RockRampage74 1 year ago
@RockRampage74 Not only a listener but a stalker too! Sweet. 20 years from now, they will remember all the gaudy regular season stats... and they'll really remember the fact that he was only able to muster one SB win... over a team led by Rex Grossman. My profile page is designed to get a response from Mantards- nice to see it's working well!
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 Yeah, just like that Steve Young guy that nobody remembers, except with exceptional stats. Or Joe Namath and Joe Theismann. No one remembers them. I wonder, do you only pull against Peyton Manning or are you actually a football fan?
RockRampage74 1 year ago
@RockRampage74 I think everyone pretty much remembers that Young, Namath and Theismann only won one SB. Peyton will go down as the greatest regular season QB and the greatest QB to only win one SB. That's not too shabby.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 Alright, let's end the argument there, something we can agree on. No sense in fighting any longer.
RockRampage74 1 year ago
@RockRampage74 Fine!
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 Faggot
johmedis 1 year ago
@johmedis You are.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 The best? I know. You're a faggot, unfortunately.
johmedis 1 year ago
@johmedis Unfortunately, you like large amounts of dick in and around your face.
777zippy777 1 year ago
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@777zippy777 I don't think so.
You see, that's what faggots like. You are a faggot. I'm fairly sure you like large amounts of dick in and around your face.
johmedis 1 year ago
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@johmedis I know you are, but what am I?
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 if i told you, you would cry
MoronsIncorporated1 1 year ago
@MoronsIncorporated1 tears of joy, my moronic friend. Tears. Of. Joy.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 gays cry for joy
MoronsIncorporated1 1 year ago
@MoronsIncorporated1 No they don't.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@MoronsIncorporated1 Although you would know better than I would.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 im not one crying
MoronsIncorporated1 1 year ago
@MoronsIncorporated1 Me neither
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 do u have nothing better to do then hate on peyton manning
MoronsIncorporated1 1 year ago
@MoronsIncorporated1 Well the page took me about 5-10 minutes to do about 11 months ago, so it's not really like I put a lifetime's work into it. But thanks for checking it out! That's what it's there for: the prying, stalking eyes of frustrated Colts fans!
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 do u hear that, thats the sound of me not caring
MoronsIncorporated1 1 year ago
@MoronsIncorporated1 No. I can't hear much of anything over the sound of how awesome I am.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 gays cant be awesome
MoronsIncorporated1 1 year ago
@MoronsIncorporated1 It's very possible that you are awesome. You are certainly gay.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 im not gay i have a life unlike u who does nothing but hate on one of the best football players of all time
MoronsIncorporated1 1 year ago
@MoronsIncorporated1 No I do a lot more than just hate on Manning. I usually only set aside about, oh, 10 to 20 minutes of actual hating-on-Manning time per day. And that's on a good day. Plus it's not like it used to be, what with Manning sucking ass balls this year. So I spend much less time on it now.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 that is sad, but i have a life to get back to so go do what ever you lonly haters do
MoronsIncorporated1 1 year ago
@MoronsIncorporated1 The sound of you not caring sure sounds like the sound of you caring, because you keep responding. That is sad.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 your a fcking retared go play alone or something
MoronsIncorporated1 1 year ago
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@MoronsIncorporated1 I know you are but what am I?
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 ur mother is sad
mrmoustachio45 9 months ago
@mrmoustachio45 Your mother is happy-- especially after I bent her over and fucked her silly last night.
777zippy777 9 months ago
@777zippy777 you are a fuckface so go eat shit bitch who do you llike huh peyton is the best so shut the hell up
ashtinvg 10 months ago
@ashtinvg Staubach, Aikman and Otto Graham. Ya like my profile page dont'cha? Hahahahaha!
777zippy777 10 months ago
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@777zippy777 Yeah, just like that Steve Young guy that nobody remembers, except with record-breaking stats. Or Joe Namath and Joe Theismann. No one remembers them. I wonder, do you only pull against Peyton Manning or are you actually a football fan?
RockRampage74 1 year ago
@777zippy777 Of course, you're a troll, so there's no reason to listen to you. Yes, Manning has had a bad year, but couldn't the same thing be said about so many other quarterbacks in the league? Drew Brees played below average for the struggling Chargers and had to be helped up by LaDanian Tomlinson. Tom Brady is luck he was drafted into a good system. Peyton probably wouldn't throw 49 touchdowns with the Broncos, but I'm sure he would look a lot better than Jay Cutler.
RockRampage74 1 year ago
lol how do people argue tht peyton manning is not the best qb in the league right now.....this guy calls his own damn plays makes the defense looks silly he is the smartest qb ever. you can put any reciever with peyton manning and they will automatically be a good reciever
baino320 1 year ago
@baino320 He sure made Tracy Porter look silly, didn't he? Oh wait, I guess it was the other way around...
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 hahaha everyone throw interceptions bro watch the game
baino320 1 year ago
@baino320 Not everyone throws interceptions with 3:20 left to lose a super bowl.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 lol wht ever u say dude....who is better then peyton lol tell me that and i will give u a few good reasons why u r wrong
baino320 1 year ago
@baino320 I've gone over this and over this with so many people, you're not going to tell me anything I haven't already heard a hundred times over from delusional Manning fans who think his shit smells like roses, so don't even try. You got your opinions, I got mine.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 im not even that big of a peytton manning fan buddy you jsut got to respect the guy for how good he is lol its not a opinion he is obviously amazing
baino320 1 year ago
@baino320 Obviously he's amazing in the regular season. Not so much when it counts the most. 9-9 in the postseason? Meh. Not impressed.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 lol look at his fucking team dude!!! he has absoultly no run game to help him once so ever........everyone on his team is injured form linemen to running bakcs that suck anyway dallas clark austin collie was his defense and he is still winning ball games
baino320 1 year ago
@baino320 He's been without Clark and Addai for 5 games and Collie for most of those 5 games. And in those 5 games, he's 2-3 with 9 TD passes, 9 INTs, a lousy 6.1 YPA and a terrible 72.9 passer rating.
I find it hilarious that all you Manning fans that have claimed for years that he would be awesome and could win with ANY team, are suddenly telling everyone the reason he's sucking so bad is because of his team.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 dude shut the hell up i am not even a damn manning fan lol..............
baino320 1 year ago
@baino320 Oh. Well never mind then.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 its just u cant denine he is a amazing quarterback for all that he has to do like yea other quarter backs do audibles but he does them every single play and most of the times he has to do it with new guys that dont even no it
baino320 1 year ago
@baino320 I think what he does at the line of scrimmage, impressive yeah, but it tends to be a little overblown. People think because he runs up and down the line, yelling to all his teammates "Rover! Rover! Utah! Utah! Omaha! Omaha!" and spazzily flailing his arms around, that he's this incredible genius. He doesn't do that line of scrimmage shit any better than Rivers or Brady or any other elite QB that's ever run an offense to near perfection.
777zippy777 1 year ago
peyton is the man
sekerdy25 1 year ago
@TheBdavis231 Yea, 3 superbowl rings with your best receiver being Deon Branch for two of those makes him soooo overrated.
strikerz911 1 year ago
@strikerz911 with video cameras stealing signals and only winning each one by 3 points? i heard all those rings have asterisks engraved on them
16dantom 1 year ago
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ebby1208 1 year ago
Peyton manning DOES NOT SUCK. He is at least in the top 5 greatest QB's of all time. People are always saying that he had good receivers and such. If that was true, after marvin harrison retired, shouldn't the colts have declined? NO! Peyton manning made austin collie and pierre garcon look GREAT. Not to mention dallas clark. Also, if he's so friggin bad, how do points get on the board? SURELY NOT the defense. Peyton manning is the team. Without peyton, the colts are a 3 win team at best
evthebeest 1 year ago
drew brees shits on him
Internetkiddy 1 year ago
btw, nobody want to see these inbreed rednecks in gooberville, whats this video suppose to mean, look at our dying white america, what once was? lol these crackers are yesterdays news, the new american consist of latinos.
TheEndofdays311 1 year ago
cooper looks like archie manning the most
FootBall432221 1 year ago
To all the people arguing brady vs manning... manning vs brady... thats shits over now. Brady has been playing 11 years now and has only thrown 3 4,000 yard seasons. to mannings 10 4,000 yard seasons in 13 years. Tom brady is a product of Bill Belichekcs mastermind offence. though he has mastered that system extrememtly well. Manning is a product of his own offence, and is clearly the General of the whole colts organization. Dont BS with rings the Pats always have a Top 5 D every year.
GMforlife90 1 year ago
peyton manning sucks balls i hate him
speedrtr1 1 year ago
@speedrtr1 .... you just want attention.
GMforlife90 1 year ago
@speedrtr1 Wow did u really just come to this video to troll Peyton? Get a life
landlord248 1 year ago
the funny thing was is that manning threw 6 picks but almost won if it wasnt for vinetari missing that 23 yearder that woudv given them a 1 point lead in the 4th quarter
suicidalgrunt23 1 year ago
I think the supporting cast and the coach had as much to do with the Super Bowl wins as anything. Rothlessberger has 2 and I think its just this side of dumb luck. But Peyton does get edgy in the big game. I think they got 10 - 0 on the Saints to quick and easy last year and played afterward to protect that lead other than take it to them. He can get his blood up and become predictable and foces that which isn't there as in the Steelers loss a few years back.
1967mustanggta 1 year ago
No one has spoiled a fan base or a team like manning. I've said this before, the pats the steelers and others have all had lots of talent when they win. DO the colts really have thaaat much talent? outside of freeney and mathis, who on their team is super great? People think manning has great wideouts, he was beating the patriots in the afc title game throwing to guys like aaron morehead and bryan fletcher. The guy makes any wideouts look good.
TheSlothook 1 year ago
@TheSlothook Well yeah, Moorehead caught 3 passes for 23 yds and Fletcher caught 1 pass for 32. But you seem to have forgotten the other 3 receivers Peyton had on the field that day: Wayne, Harrison and Clark. Plus, Dungy's halftime adjustment where he switched Harrison and Wayne at the line of scrimmage really helped the Colts' offense. Manning HAS had great wideouts and DOES make them better, but let's not pretend it was ALL Manning.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 zip, im curious, do you really feel manning is worse than brady?
TheSlothook 1 year ago
@TheSlothook I wouldn't put it like that. I don't even really like to say Brady is "better" than Manning. I just prefer Brady's overall career to Manning's as far as the all-time greatest QB list goes. Manning's the better pure passer IMO and is the greatest regular season QB of all-time, but Brady has a better combination of stats and wins and championships. Just like I wouldn't put Manning ahead of Montana, even though Manning's reg season stats destroy Montana's. It's complicated.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 but wins seem to be a relative thing. Consider this. The year brady blows his knee out, a matt cassel led team gets 11 wins. THe year brady comes back, they win 10 games and get destroyed in the playoffs. Now, the 11 win team didn't make the playoffs and the 10 win team did and got destroyed. Do you see my pt in all of this? Looking at playoff wins is really not a great indicator of a great qb.
TheSlothook 1 year ago
@TheSlothook Yeah, but you're comparing the 2008 Pats to the 2009 Pats, which is not a fair comparison because the 2009 Pats defense was horrible AND Brady was coming off a major knee injury. Compare the 2008 Pats to the 2007 Pats- it was the same exact team except for one BIG difference: Brady's 50 TDs, 8 INTs and 18-1 as opposed to Cassel's 21 TDs, 11 INTs and 11-5 and missing the playoffs completely.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 and also, i can name 4 games just off the top of my head where brady absolutely sucked but because his team was so good, they won anyways. Be honest with me, if manning doesn't play well, do the colts really have a chance? And honestly, if manning were to go out week 1, would you really expect the colts to win 11 games? Didn't the fact that cassel went from being an all pro with the pats to mediocre with the chiefs tell you anything?
TheSlothook 1 year ago
@TheSlothook Again, this falls under the category of "Anything negative you can say about Brady, I can say about Manning". Do you recall the 2006 postseason when Manning threw 1 TD and 3 picks (71.9 rating) vs the Chiefs? How about the 0 TD-2 pick (39.6 rating) performance vs the Ravens right after that? Guess what? The Colts won both of those playoff games. USUALLY as Manning goes, so go the Colts. But not ALWAYS.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@TheSlothook If Manning went out in week 1, I'd think the Colts would generally suck. But now you're talking about comparing two totally different QBs. Painter and Cassel. Cassel had the LUXURY of studying under Brady and that offense for 3 solid years before 2008. He KNEW that offense. If you studied the shit out of one thing for THREE years, you'd probably be pretty damn good at it. If the Colts ever went out and got themselves a DECENT backup QB, they would still be a damn good team too.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@TheSlothook Yes, it told me that ANY QB, I don't care how great he is, will absolutely SUCK on a shitty team. Look at Steve Young when he was in Tampa Bay- he SUCKED. Then he became a HOFer with the 49ers. You want another example? Take a gander at the 2001 Colts. They were 6-10 and Manning threw 26 TDs with a whopping 23 INTs that year. THAT is what Manning would be like on a shitty team.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@TheSlothook And Cassel wasn't exactly an ALL-PRO in 2008. He didn't even make the pro bowl. (Manning was the starter, Favre, Cutler and Collins were the reserves) 21 TDs and 11 picks in a sea of great QBs tends to do that to you. All-pro?? Please, let's try and just stick with the facts and not blow something out of proportion in an attempt to make your argument appear to carry more weight.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 you have to also remember, cassel in the beggining struggled, but look at the pts output later in the year. And do you really think sorgie by your logic would do just fine with the colts if manning went out? Also, what I am trying to harp on is the fact that the one year the pats defense struggles, is it any shock that the pats get utterly demolished in ravens game? But wait, i thought brady was money in the playoffs. See...its a new exp for a qb when you must carry a game
TheSlothook 1 year ago
@TheSlothook my comparison to the ravens game is this. manning virtually his entire career has had to carry a leaky defense and no run game. BTw, his wideouts are also pretty mediocre in the playoffs too..marvin harrison has just 1 td in the postseason. But brady? every year except for 09, his defense was good enough to keep him in games no matter how lousy he played. also if you watched the game, aside from the begining, brady had time to throw, but the ravens sat in zone and he cudnt solve it
TheSlothook 1 year ago
@TheSlothook Well, how well did Manning solve the Saints defense? Not very well as it turns out. And his wideouts are mediocre in the playoffs? Wait, don't Manning fans always claim that Manning MADE those receivers great? Manning MADE Harrison a HOFer and turned Wayne and Clark into all-pros. Right? Ahhh, but then, if they don't play well in the postseason, it's the RECEIVERS fault, not Manning's. Even though Manning MADE the Colts receivers great. That literally makes no sense.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@TheSlothook I can easily sit here and freely admit when Brady has choked or played horribly or not well enough in playoff and postseason games. (Denver '05, Indy '06, Giants '07, Ravens '09) But for some reason, Colts fans have this bizarre inability to EVER cast any sort of blame at all EVER on their Messiah QB. It's really a miracle of nature and I have yet to fully understand it. It's been 7 months since XLIV and I have yet to hear ONE single Colts fan blame Manning for the pick 6.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@TheSlothook And you talk about time to throw? I watched as Manning was knocked down ONCE, sacked zero times and was heavily-pressured MAYBE 10 times in XLIV. Manning's O-line has been one of the best at pass-blocking in the NFL for a long time. But this is a favorite tactic of Manning fans: Claiming the O-line, run game, defense, special teams, etc... has ALWAYS (and I mean ALWAYS) been mediocre, horrible, dreadful, not worthy of a high school team. But that it's ALL MANNING. Lmfao.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 Ill say this, most football sites, pundits, and general analysts have said manning carries his team more than any qb has ever done. Btw, football outsiders did a stat to determine how good his wideouts were in cotext of the offense...guess what? most of them were mediocre? is that a surprise/ The pt i was making about the playoff wins for brady was to show the arbitrary nature of playoff wins. To say so and so is better because of wins is really misleading.
TheSlothook 1 year ago
@TheSlothook Manning is the MVP of the Colts and usually the league, no question. I don't know who these "football outsiders" are, but saying that Harrison, Wayne and Clark are "mediocre" football players in any context is ridiculous in the extreme. But also, those same pundits and so-called "experts" are the ones who talk in length about great QBs' winning% and playoff "wins" and # of championships the greats have 'won". Of course it's a team sport, but it's also a QB-driven league.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 i will explain why manning goes 12-4 every year but fails in the playoffs. Its a result of him facing great teams in the playoffs vs decent teams in the regular season. I fully believe a great qb can get u enough wins in the regular season because of the teams u face. But, in the playoffs, every team is talented and then the game comes down to whos team is better, and thus the qb's influence is less. THats why when brady was with a less powerful team, he gets utterly demolished.
TheSlothook 1 year ago
@TheSlothook That's true, and there are two ways you can look at it: Obviously we all know it's truly a team sport and I would never put 100% blame on Manning for every postseason loss in his career, but great QBs are measured by championships. Listen to any all-time great QBs rant by any pundit, sportswriter, expert, etc... and the first thing they mention is how many NFL titles they "won". This is why Montana, Bradshaw, Starr, Aikman are 4 of the most prominent names out there.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@TheSlothook It's just the way it is, fair or not. And how much "less powerful" were the Patriots compared to the Rams in '01? 14-point underdogs in that SB! Brady's final drive was the stuff of legend whether you agree with that or not. A 6th round QB making his 17th career start and he calmly leads a 14-pt underdog from his own 17 with 1:20 left and no timeouts into FG range when all logic said to play for OT. THAT'S what great QBs do. And he did it again 2 SBs later vs Carolina.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 brady losing to the ravens didnt mean brady was worse this year than most years. ARe u really saying brady this year was worse than the 02, 01 version? because actually, his stats and overall offensive responsibilities were much higher this year than those years. the truth is, he had to carry his team in the playoffs when they fell behind and he cudnt/ thats really the first time brady has experienced what manning goes thru. Try for one sec to look beyond just wins and losses.
TheSlothook 1 year ago
@TheSlothook Brady had the best statistcal season of his career (sans 2007) in 2009. But fell apart at the end with injuries and the loss of his favorite receiver one week before their first playoff game. Excuses aside, Brady played horribly and it WAS very reminiscent of what Manning had to go through in the early part of the decade. It just shows that QBs can't win games all by themselves, but that doesn't change the perception that QBs careers are defined by titles won. Look at Marino...
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 Man you got a big mouth
1967mustanggta 1 year ago
@1967mustanggta Ya like that? Well at least you didn't tell me I got a purty mouth...
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 I gotta laugh. It's just that you wrote so damn much I didn't have the patience to read it. I don't know if you love or hate the Mannings or are a Patriot fan or anything.
1967mustanggta 1 year ago
@1967mustanggta I prefer Brady to Manning but Manning is an insanely great QB. He's one more SB win away from probably being considered the GOAT. The only negative on his resume' right now is the 9-9 and the pick six.... and that Oreos commercial...
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 rofl at the oreos commercial
GMforlife90 1 year ago
@TheSlothook Well, we'll never know about Sorgi will we? That's a dead issue because I don't argue hypothetical situations. How many games has Sorgi started in his 6-year NFL career? ZERO. And 156 total pass attempts to go with that.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@TheSlothook Name me ONE of the all-time great QBs that was ALWAYS money in the playoffs. Just one. You won't be able to, because it doesn't happen that way. Brady played horribly against the Ravens as did the O-line and the defense. No different than some of Manning's early career postseason atrocities. It's the NFL. Great QBs don't win the super bowl every single year of their careers.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@TheSlothook Brady is 14-4 in the postseason, Manning is 9-9. Now if Manning is carrying that team every single year, then why is it suddenly someone else's fault when the Colts lose in the postseason? He "carries" them to 12-14 wins every year... but when they lose in the postseason, suddenly it's not Manning, it was the run game's fault or the defense's fault? Not buying it. Give him credit for the wins? Then give him blame for the losses.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@TheSlothook The Colts are loaded offensively with talent. He's always had talent surrounding him offensively. The defense has always been underrated. Dungy just played conservative defense, and didn't ask for much from his defense. Antoine Bethea and Bob Sanders are the only other big name players. The Patriots never really had any big name players defensively either. They just played great D in the system.
Hondaftw1 1 year ago
@Hondaftw1 If the colts were really loaded with talent offensively, why then when harrison leaves and gonzalez gets injured, that suddenly austin collie and garcon look good? Colts just got lucky again? Hard to also include sanders considering hes been injured more often than having played,. As for the pats...while its a system d to an extent...i wud argue..wilfork, warren and seymore were all great players as was harrison...the rest were good.
TheSlothook 1 year ago
@TheSlothook It's not luck. When Manning throws the ball nearly 600 times, someone has to catch it. Collie and Garcon are just a product of a pass heavy offense. And they're still the 3rd and 4th option, so they're never covered by the elite DB's. Wayne and Clark take up most of the coverage. And Sanders is easily they're top defensive player when healthy. The run defense numbers when he plays speak for themselves.
Hondaftw1 1 year ago
@Hondaftw1 I really don't know what you are arguing. How talented are the colts really? you argue that its wayne and clark, but other teams have elite players that aren't as effective or nearly as consistent as the colts...see chargers, cowboys, patriots, green bay etc. ANd btw, the pt of collie and garcon is to illustrate more that peyton can get baseline production out of anyone. Offenses that throw alot don;t do that to just pad stats, they do that because that is their best way to score
TheSlothook 1 year ago
@TheSlothook I wasn't arguing. You questioned if the Colts were a very talented team, when they're clearly the most talented offense in the NFL. Obviously Peyton Manning is the main reason why, but there's no denying the talent he always has at his disposal. The past 12/17 1st Round selections have been all offensive players. He has two 1st Round backs, and two 1st Round receivers right now.
Hondaftw1 1 year ago
@Hondaftw1 by that logic, the jags who've invested in defensive ends, defensive tackles, and a safety have a good pass rush/pass defense and they have neither. I would argue the colts overall talent isn't nearly as good as you think. Why are the cowboys or the pats not listed as teams with more talent? just because they were taken in the first round doesn't mean they are good.
TheSlothook 1 year ago
@Hondaftw1 I actually think the colts have a few very talented players...the rest are mediocre, including the offense...clark is only good in a pass heavy offense. Reggie wayne is good i admit, but the rest are really a function of manning. even the o line is quite mediocre to poor...even the matchup show guys all say so and they have access to the all 22 film.
TheSlothook 1 year ago
@TheSlothook The Colts officially have more talented players than the Patriots. Let's see... Brady, Welker, uh, um, hmm, let's see... yep, that's about it!
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 Ah but how you forget...the patriots offensive line is clearly more talented. Again, check out profootballfocus and you'll see why.
TheSlothook 1 year ago
@TheSlothook where do I look on there?
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 under premium stats, but if you can't c them, ill post them to you, all 5 of the o line grades for both teams
TheSlothook 1 year ago
@TheSlothook LOL, you gotta pay to see that? No thanks. I'll take your word for it.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 i do some work for them so i dont hafta pay.
TheSlothook 1 year ago
@TheSlothook Oh, well then I really take your word for it.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 You have to pay to see stats on a website?
Pick6PeytonSB44 1 year ago
@Pick6PeytonSB44 Apparently some do. Not me.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 I think they call that a tax on the stupid.
Pick6PeytonSB44 1 year ago
@TheSlothook lol this goober is the most overrated qb in nfl history, you can't argue hes a good QB because of his stats, becuase if that were the case then tony romo would be a far better qb than manning. this guy is a choke arrtest, the chargers have owned him for years in the playoffs, he has won 1 superbowl which is irrelevent because even trent dilfer has a ring.
this guy just sucks when it comes to winning the game. he can't lead a team to a come from behind win.
overratted bitch!
TheEndofdays311 1 year ago
@TheEndofdays311 LOL? you are actually wrong on so many levels...did you know his playoff passer rating is higher than bradys? Did you know his close game wins are 35-11(oh yeah that is actually the most in nfl history) and significantly higher than bradys. He is routinely ranked by Defensive coordinators as the hardest player in the game to stop. Most scouts and analysts have admitted that he is widely the best qb in the nfl.
TheSlothook 1 year ago
@TheSlothook , lol three consecutive losses to the chargers, 6 years in the nfl before winning a playoff game, epic fail in last years superbowl, if you want to make yourself believe this fucking cracker is good then you got issues, he fucking blows in big games.
and when it comes to stats romo is in the top 5 all time , by your argument romo should be considered one of the best.
TheEndofdays311 1 year ago
@TheEndofdays311 So, unless you have a real argument to make backed up by some evidence, dont just respond with more idiotic comments like he sucks or he can't win close games because its obvious you have no idea what you are talking about.
TheSlothook 1 year ago
@TheEndofdays311, Most overrated QB in NFL history? I think you got Manning and Namath mixed up.
dollarroger 1 year ago
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ebby1208 1 year ago
@TheEndofdays311 No, The most overrated qb in history is tom brady.
TheBdavis231 1 year ago 4
To me P. Manning is one of the greatest QB of all time... Maybe even THE best, he will surely win another superbowl ring before he retires.
SuRihtanil 1 year ago
@SuRihtanil yup agreed even though im a pats fan and i still think brady has a bit of a way to go
gtaj03 1 year ago
Peyton manning Rules
pettry2012 1 year ago
he needs to get back to the superbowl this year and redeem himself.
we're all rooting for you peyton!
Pick6PeytonSB44 1 year ago
what was the quote he said in a diffrent clip. Bill polian was gonna draft ryan leaf and peyton says to him something like if you pass me up I will make you regret it for the next 15 years
baddude4lyf 1 year ago
Whew! Wow. Now that was some battle! I'm surprised neither side threw any challenge flags! So then.... how 'bout them Lakers?
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 Yeah, your buddy Johnny here is real piece of work.
jamor111 1 year ago
@777zippy777 haha..nah....he was just saying the same old shit Ive seen here for months zippy..you know that..Im a little tired of those arguments to be honest with you,,,,,lakers?...how bout them cincinnati reds!!...check that..first place cincinnati reds...woot!!
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Hey Johnny, i better not ever catch you telling any youtubers that "Manning calls all the plays, that he runs the whole offense, and that he's practically the O.C." as a reason why you think he's better than Brady. Or i'll be all over you like a cheap suit.
You already said to me that he doesn't so you better not flip flop later bitch.
jamor111 1 year ago
@jamor111 Hey- let's get something straight right now! I'M the flip-flop king here! Nobody flips and flops better than me! I'm seriously thinking about jumping off the Brady yacht and swimming on over to the Brees bandwagon... what do you guys think? Brees is a MONSTER.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@jamor111 well..you wont see me say that because that isnt what happens...not because Im worried about you being all over me fuck puddle..he does control the offense more than any other qb but he doesnt make the game plan and call the plays...just admit it...you thought you knew what you were talking about and are now pissed because you were wrong...go ahead admit it..I wont tell anyone...
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Nah. I can't get into baseball to save my life. Same with the NBA really. To me, the NBA season starts in mid-May. MLB and NBA is just too damn many games. The NFL kicks their asses. NFL and college football rule. BTW, I've never even been to Boston...
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 oh I agree the nfl is king..but in june I dont have that option to feed my sports fix so its always been baseball...for me its nfl 1st..college basketball 2nd..baseball 3rd...and then rest..eh... just kinda get thrown together...I like college football to an extent...but the fact they have no playoff system takes alot of the shine off of it for me...this whole bcs system is crap....but the big ten did get nebraska the other day...that should be interesting
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Hey, jamor111 wants me to tell you if you flip flop he's going to buy a plane ticket to Fort Wayne and blow you while you're sleeping... ???? I think what he said... Hmmm. Seems a little strange to me.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 haha...good thing I dont live in Ft Lame then huh?
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Fort Lame, lol! I know a pretty hot 36-year old cougar with big giant fake tit-ays that lives there. She's the girlfriend of my Brady-loving friend. I couldn't believe he hooked up with a chick through facebook that lives in Ft Wayne. I figured she's GOTTA be a Manning fan and he hates Manning. Turns out she went to Michigan and loves Brady! Who knew??
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 yeah ft lame is a little more up north...lot of people are bear fans and michigan fans up there..before we got the colts it was alot of bears and michigan fans up north...and alot of bengals and whatever else fans through out the state....but this has always been a basketball state first and foremost ( until the last decade or so ) the movie hoosiers was based on the school from my city so it was always basketball here
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Jamor just returned his Ft Wayne ticket and is now on route to Milan. I'd lock my doors if I were you...
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 haha...well he'll be there alone because that isnt my city either...in fact there might not be anyone at all there because its such a little town
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 That's not the city where the school is that Hoosiers is based on?
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 its the town of the team that won yes ( its hardly a city...lol ) but that isnt where I live
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Oboy... and I have no way to get in touch with Jamor as he wanders the streets of Milan... or maybe the street of Milan.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 wont take long..I think they have one stop light
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Cincinnati Reds? Nah, I don't watch soccer that much...
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 haha....you're a sox fan though yeah?...I love baseball...it was the first sport I ever played...or watched...you know big red machine of the 70's...pete rose ..johnny bench..cesar geronimo and all those guys
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Hold on there just one minute, Bub! You're a Pete Rose fan?? AHA!! Rose CHEATED! He corked his bat and that was just proven! I have you now! I finally fished you out of your cushy little lair and brought you into the light of day as the monster that you are! A monster so vile...! Anyway... so there it is. Rose is a cheater, the Pats cheated. Boom. I win.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 haha..whered you hear that at?...I know about the gambling...but Ive not heard anything about a corked bat..as far as cheatinf goes...you never wanted to allow it to be a part of the debate before...saying it didnt matter...so thats how it is now too..haha..besaides...I was 10 years old then for christs sake....lol
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Well of course I didn't want it to be part of the debate- it really didn't work in my favor! Google that shit! I even saw it on espn a few days ago. He had a corked bat the year he broke Cobb's hits record. (at least) They x-rayed one of his bats that a collector owned and there was about an 8-inch piece of cork in there that he had drilled in from the top of the bat. "Chea-ter... nothin' but a chea-ter... and you put some cork in your bat, oh no..." (That's Supertramp btw....)
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 yeah I used to love supertramp actually...yeah I'll have to google it and see what ol pete was doing..haha...
johnny2366 1 year ago
@777zippy777 you know...you sounded a lot like newman on seinfeld there in that post...better watch it zippy..you dont wanna become...newman!
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Seinfeld, eh? You can't prove a thing! But you better watch it... because when you control the mail, you control... information...
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 aahh..so we have at least something in common I see....the seinfeld addiction..as far as the bat goes..I'll need to see a little more than what Im finding so far....which is a picture of a corked bat that someone says was petes but I dont see his name or any other trademarks or anything on it..could be any bat at this point but I'll keep looking for more or better photos
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Just google "deadspin pete rose corked bat". It's all there. I'm afraid your hero was a... cheater! Oh well, join the club.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 yeah I found lots of articles on it..but only one photo keeps coming up...and on it there is no writing or trademarks or anything...but I dont doubt he did it....he was driven to do whatever it took to get that record....cheating included
johnny2366 1 year ago
@777zippy777 Hey Zippy tell your buddy Johnny that if he flip flops i'm coming over to his house and Blowing a bunch of Vuvuzela horns while he's sleeping.
jamor111 1 year ago
I think even our boy zippy would agree with me on this ( and he tries to disagree with everything I say here )..lol
johnny2366 1 year ago
I know he starts every game, he's chasing history with that Favre streak. But chasing that record doesn't require winning, chasing 19-0 does. Manning hasn't shown the kind of heart that Brady has shown. Imagine what he would be if he was tougher. I like a certain degree of unsportsmanship, it shows me a toughness that i like. Manning would never run up the score on anyone, he's too soft, but it's that softness that kept him from chasing 19-0 and it's also what kept him from winning SB 44.
jamor111 1 year ago
@jamor111 oooh... you may be drifting into dangerous waters on some of these points... When you attempt to measure who has more heart, aaiiieee... that's a slippery slope. I wouldn't go there, but that's just me. And equating the possible "cheating" with toughness is also a bit of a conundrum... johnny2366 is a crafty veteran that is no slouch on these youtube pages. He's by far the most difficult Manning-ite to defend against. You can't stop johnny2366, you can only hope to contain him.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@jamor111 He pointed out a game vs Miami in 2001 where Manning's jaw was broken (the Miami player was flagged for it) and he was very much a bloody mess. He came off for one play and went back in. I was not aware of this and Manning's status has risen in my mind because of this. THAT is toughness and a toughness I hadn't put Manning on at all. He gets bonus points for that. If someone did that to me, I'd probably start crying... I mean it. I'm a fuckin' pussy...
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 Yeah, Bret Favre is tough too. But you're talking physical toughness and im referring to mental toughness, as in, don't crack under the intense playoff pressure. Brady went for 16-0 and surely would do it again. Manning shied away from the daunting proposition so he's less mentally tough in my book. Alot of Qb's are physically tough. And i can judge heart because i'm giving my opinion, and in my opinion, it takes more heart to chase 19-0 than to chase consecutive starts.
jamor111 1 year ago
@jamor111 Ah. Well, in the mental toughness contest, I gotta go with Brady. Manning has shown me time and time again that he just doesn't have IT. Now, even Jordan wasn't clutch ALL the time- he didn't win the Finals every year, but IMO, he was the most clutch athlete ever. Jordan, Montana, Tiger, Kobe, Brady. Those guys are simply known for being clutch. What was that top 10 clutch QB list that Brady was on but Manning didn't even make the list? Weren't those "experts" picking those QBs?
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 Yeah, plus the whole debacle with Colts fans wanting a perfect season and Manning sitting out. He's the boss of that team and if he wanted it he could've met with the players and said "we're going for it" and they would've backed him, most of them wanted to go for it. Polian, Irsay, an