Lobo vs. Thanos

[jestersmiless]

might as well been Thanos vs an ant it all the same.

[theforestero]

i always love seeing lobo and lobo being hit in the head by thanos....

[theforestero]

 pray .

[theforestero]

it would be a cool fight just to see lobo get hit in the head, and thanos wasting his time....he musta had brain freeze.

[DoubleFeo]

thats birdie vs thanos

[LeBearExtrordinare]

ROFL,infinity Thanos would turn Lobo into Justin Beiber.He once turned Galactus into Elvis(true story) XD

[kevin0070]

Death awaits

[kickniko]

Hmmm, OK, OK, he is the best and he fucks the rest. I prefer AC/DC. A bit more.... real, I would say.

[Nightavenger2]

Valiant effort by Lobo but Thanos said respect my Pimphand.

[blodachia]

I just noticed something the same artist who crafted Lobo are the same artist who crafted Birdie From SF Alpha.

[Thraxxuss]

Really? To all the people that think Lobo could even hold a candle to Thanos, you must be out of your minds. Thats like putting gause in front of a semi-truck and saying "ahh that should be enough to hold it". Lobo just isnt even in the same class as Thanos, not even in the same league. Thanos wouldn't even take the time to fight him because the ease of which it would be done would be insulting.

[blackwunk]

Lobo is a JOKE compared to Thanos! How could anyone in their right mind even think that this liquor swilling, space-biker could defeat THE HEAVIEST HITTER of all the bad guys in the comic book theaters? Strength wise, intelligence wise, win-loss ratio, popularity wise, marketability, etc. In short LOBO LOSES! They are both immortal? Great! Thanos kicks Lobo in the junk a few times (a move that many women have used on him) and locks him in an Adamantium cage forever. Conflict is done.

[Spiderman7670]

If Thanos duzn't destroy da universe Lobo wudn't die b cuz he's bin in hell b4 n Lobo's immortal. Thanos's blast wudn't stop Lobo b cuz Lobo can regenerate meaning Thanos cud blast him all he wants n it wudn't stop him. Lobos' also faster than Thanos so technicaly Thanos wud hav a hard time catchin up wit Lobo.

[jdfc5]

Take note kids, there's a child-embodied entity named Protege that can copy and possess even the powers of the Living Tribunal and the One-Above-All.

And there's a human child possessed omnipotent-like powers that's even greater than of Odin and other strong superheroes you know - Franklin Richards.

[jaymoneythetank]

If my nigga Wolverine beat Lobo, Thanos would OBLITERATE Lobo. Nuff said

[RayesArmstrong]

Drax killed Thanos.  Game over. Lobo wins.

[Thraxxuss]

@RayesArmstrong How does Drax killing Thanos constitute a game over? Drax would tear lobo a new asshole much easier than he would Thanos. Also remember Drax has been trying to do that for god knows how long. Sorry, but that's ridiculous. I think you like Lobo too much...

[Spiderman7670]

Lobo because thanos can't hurt him

[amartinez97]

@Spiderman7670 you act as if nearly every DC heavy hitter has tihs juggenraut durribilty

let me put it this way

Superman has hurt lobo, thanos is much stronger the nsuperman infact he

's probrobly a bit stronger then darkseid who would have lobo crying for his mommy LOL.

[Spiderman7670]

@amartinez97 First off thanos isn't stronger than superman heck he isn't even stronger than the silver surfer.Plus Lobo can regenerate his body.Lobo's skin would take anything basically that Thanos throws at him.Plus Lobo's been hit by powers simallar to thanos''s and they've never even slowed him down.

[TheComedyAsylum]

Doesn't matter if Lobo still loses.

Lobo is still better. Nuff said. 

[woahbabyitsjess]

what f*N GAME IS THIS!!!!!!!!!

[boru25]

Thanos seems to be more impressive than Lobo and his super combo where he becomes a giant nearly goes on forever.

[nodogyougay48]

Thanos is Beast!

[zippo718]

OMG I dreamed of this fight.

[eddiminus]

Your backstory inthe description makes no sense. Lobo doesn't return empty handed. The Main Man always delivers. Unless the client double crossed him or he's dead.

[KHXFFKid]

wow get raped by the mind gem

[funknotik]

Thanos will fuck u up.

[Doedelidoeeeeeeeeeee]

My last name is Thanos and i can see one thing and that is: THAT I COMPLETELY KICK SOME ASS. I AM AWESOME!!!!!!!!!

GO THANOS!!!!!!

[BrothersOfDecadence]

This is the best creation ever.

[loggers21]

actually both these two guys have something in common they cant both die especially lobohes like deadpool but in power thanos owns him

[shedd45]

thanos would destroy him

[DjangoEX]

yes because thanos is a cheap ass person in the first place. People like Thanos are pretty obvious when put in a fight

[AlteredActions]

Fred: Thanos my pebbles!

[supa567]

Oh you'll see. Loeb Force> All forms of logic. YOU, being a comic book reader, should know.

Like you said, read your comics, and get at me.

[GreenEyedTree]

Very serious fight i had my eyes shut the whole time this is a very serious fight my guts were telling me to watch but my heart was telling me to not look but i followed my guts O.o Cool fight(Joking)

[goo5976]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha­ahahahahahaha...dude these people are soooo dumb man...thanos would annihilate him...he could use the infinity gem or the reality gem to age lobo...and then rip him apart...thanos is like the hulk...but stronger at a base strength...and smarter...wayyyyyy smarter...there is no beating thanos...even though i like the hulk more..thanos would pwn the hulk at the beginning of the fight...but hulk would come back after a beatdown stronger..and would get stronger than him

[supa567]

Squirrel girl beats Thanos, as does the loeb-force.

[goo5976]

lol man...that was one of the comedy comics at the end...that was a joke...and loeb force never beat thanos!!! wtf are you thinking?? did you not read the comic where thanos beat everyone in the multiverse to a pulp...including the living tribunal...the eternity...galactus...silver surfer...the thing...the hulk...thor...and many more?? man...read some comics...and get at me

[LonewolfCrystal]

im still stuck on why lobo tried to grab Thanos during Thanos' special when all those "jelly beans" were about to come down on him.

[markdukes13]

LOBO sucks!!!!

[wildfire04j]

Whoever playing LOBO is pure noob! If you know how to play LOBO thanos be dead in 15 secs!

[bammy916]

hell nah Lobo is a beast

[Mueiwark]

Thanos fukhed owned by Lobo, the main fucking man. you dont fuck with him.

[Extrasailor]

Thanos wouldn't stand a chance against Apocalypse or Profesor X or Magneto :D.

[marvelruls]

thanos would bitch slap lobo n darkseid around

[vikutaa]

@marvelruls what powers does thanos has?

[Rasclot222]

Thanos would get his arce kicked by Darkseid.

[PathGrinder]

No way, Thanos would destroy him!!

[Rasclot222]

Ya think? I don't know Darksied beat Superman on a few occasions.

[LordEli]

Uh.. this fight is actually Accurate on how this fight would go, if Lobo actually was trying to throw hands against Thanos. pretty much how it would go against majority of most known characters.. heh heh ha ha hate to step on any of your hearts

[goddimmus]

amen

[eyecko]

lolz i tell you what if thanos had that stomp and the rock throw in marvel vs capcom 2

he will be a awesome character

[Kazakstanzis1]

lols thanos destroyed half the universe, and apparently a motorcycle can knock him down...

[darkilustrisimus]

well, with HOTU he destroyed whole marvel multiverse, and than recreated it again.

[Ecite]

Thanos is OP

[othsma]

what the fuck is wrong with youtube?

[xandarian55]

a guy basically immune to death, can absorb vast amounts of various energy and only being capable of actually being killed by drax in which lobo isnt... then add the gauntlet its tootles yo

[Jaggnathar]

lobo vs thanos with the complete infinity gauntlet. hmm the match almost played back like it would actually happen. thanos is one bad moo w/o the gaunt and with it hes basically God (not A god but GOD).

[ethrez]

but lobo is immortal and the main man and hes a lot cooler than some fucker thanos:P

[Astragoth00]

The winner is... Thanos the Anus.

[Tyrant60]

ITS RAINING FRUITY PEBBLES!!

[Astragoth00]

well... darkilustrisimus he love to Thanus The Anus.

[darkilustrisimus]

if Thanos wish Lobo death, Lobo will die.

[mgkpraesi]

And again...Lobo is unconquerable

[Astragoth00]

Buuuuh !!!

Thanos is anus, is SHIT, fuck Thanus !

Lobo RULES !

[saturnstar718]

Someone should make a mugen wit the character "The-one-above-all". Marvel fans know what I'm talkin' about.

[Discipol]

talk about analsex....

[boschmerchant]

i am aware that i may be being biast here - seeing that i own every lobo comic every written including marvel crossovers but it is lesser known that lobo is in fact incredibly intelligent and could have been 'one of the tops brain surgeons in the universe'.But that aside, having read the comments imo lobo would kick 7 shades of shite out of the surfer, and the only reason wolverine beat him is because of fan pressure - lobo was originally scripted to beat logan, but it was changed -FACT!!

[ultimaexedos]

Look, THANOS IS GOD!!! There is no way some puny werewolf is going to beat Thanos. He deservs to die just for trying.

[hansstrangle]

what game is this?

[Supercoolio12]

it would actually b even cuz lobo cant die

[SweetZombiJesus]

Well, after a long regeneration, he could come back... just to have Thanos kick his ass again.

Ever since Death herself augmented Thanos, he has been a step above most of the powerful comic heroes we know (Surfer, Thor, even Supes in DC).

[GENOCIDE2099]

fruity pebbles attack ftw!

[darkilustrisimus]

thanos of the titan. best character ever.

[holydiver420]

thanos rain of fruity pebbles attack is unstoppable!

[smrio]

Thanos is close to being a cosmic being. He's a really heavy duty super villian. Thanos owns.

[altorki]

Darkseid owns him.

[smrio]

bullshit, Thanos with Infinity Gems owns everybody

[altorki]

Darkseid > Thanos

One "omega blast" and Thanos dissapears.

Thanos with the Infinity Gems can be equal to the Darkseid with the "Anti-Life Equation" knowledge.

[smrio]

well there you go, i like thanos anyway, infinite gauntlet was a great issue. I got lots of love for Marvel, and some for DC

[Thebabysealpoacher]

in there whith the infinit guantlet thanos doesnt have the power of odin nor zeus, he does not have the power of living tribunal nor spectre, he has the power of all father GOD control over all TIME, SPACE,SOUL,MIND,POWER,LIFE and REALITY, when he use the cube, the infinite guantlet or the core of the universe the only one that can beat thanos is thanos himself

[kevin1278]

As in masturbation?

[Lordlt82]

@Thebabysealpoacher incorrect tribunal can beat the gaunlet in fact at a cosmic hearing he told adam warlock to give it to him or he would take it but at a cost the universe would die for the victory and adam gave it to him only one stronger than tri is toaa hence god

[TerraEmperor1]

@Thebabysealpoacher or the "One Above All"

[EndOfYourDays]

Not a fucking chance. Puuuuleeeeeeeeeeeease.

[altorki]

read the comics.

[oldgordo61]

Don't know much about Lobo, but didn't Wolverine beat him once? Thanos owns this guy.

[Masokinski]

Lobo was paid to throw the match against Wolverine.

Lobo has beat Superman 3 out of 5 times that they have fought (the other two times were interrupted), and killed him once in a JLA shared dream.

Lobo has beat Captain Marvel (Shazam), and every Green Lantern he has ever fought (slept with a girl GL too).

The only DC heroes to beat Lobo were Batman and Hitman, because they used brain, not brawn, and tricked or blackmailed him.

He killed the DC version of Thor.

[Thebabysealpoacher]

u know whith the realyty gem lobo will not die just stop existing, in there whith the infinit guantlet thanos doesnt have the power of odin nor zeus, he does not have the power of living tribunal nor spectre, he has the power of all father GOD control over all TIME, SPACE,SOUL,MIND,POWER,LIFE and REALITY, when he use the cube, the infinite guantlet or the core of the universe the only one that can beat thanos is thanos himself

[bgdave44]

I'm not to familiar w/ hitman, but Thanos is about 200 billion times more powerful than Batman and at least 2 to 3 times as smart. Thanos always uses his brain first, just so happens he has the brawn in his arsenal as well. How u think he got the Infinity gems? psh, he even tricks the Devil (Mephisto) and gives it about as much thought as eating a bowl of his favorite cereal, which apparently is fruity pebbles. lol

[DjangoEX]

without the infinity gems most people in DC could own him. Batman being he has owned alot of people ALOT stronger than him.

[kevin1278]

I'm a DC fan, but the only thing Batman would own messing with Thanos is an asswhuppin'.

[Lordlt82]

@DjangoEX buddy get your shit straight he's immortal his current body does not allow him to die does not need gems he got them to please lady death as a gesture he is considered part of the 3 true powers

[DjangoEX]

1.When I say own I mean beat him not kill him dumbass. 2. I"m not even a fuckin marvel fan so how am I suppose to know shit like thaT?

[Lordlt82]

@DjangoEX i'm sorry you bring up batman in subject with thanos its retarded its not a fight and when you say stronger i doubt there is alot of people in dc who are sides dc sucks balls i mean you really write god in your comics and he's a fucking miget

[DjangoEX]

Alot of things Marvel copied from DC and i'm not just talking about deathstrok and dedpool.plus i don't even know what the fuck you are saying quote"sucks balls i mean you really write god in your comics and he's a fucking miget " wtf. last ALOT of people are stronger than batman fyi.

[Lordlt82]

lol sounds like basic crying of a dc fan marvel copies us even tho they write better and make their own shit kirby and lee did many things together but not all sadly dc fans think that cause they have the worst written super hero of all time there the best aka supes

[DjangoEX]

Wow so now you sink that low to troll on me? are you really just trying to keep this argument going? I barely even understanded what i just read there so I can't even correctly reply to it. It'd be cool if you could type with some grammer?

[Lordlt82]

nah i'll pass on the proper typing cuse i don won to its a post on u toob so it don matir

[DjangoEX]

The sad thing is when you try to type inproper I can understand =P.

[Lordlt82]

that's the point dumbass you can in general you can either way.

[DjangoEX]

Then why could i not understand your preivous comment?

[Lordlt82]

you did you simply made a sad attempt to insult me.

[DjangoEX]

Actually I really didn't =P.

[Lordlt82]

dude i'm just gonna quash this either of us don't really give a shit.

[DjangoEX]

k laterz

[GODZILLAANDSOUNDWAVE]

@DjangoEX Thanos doesn't need the Infinity Gauntlett to beat most of the oponents he fights. Even without them, he can beat Silver Surfer on a daily basis. Batman would not one, but a million deaths if he ever messed with Thanos.

[DjangoEX]

@GODZILLAANDSOUNDWAVE O_oi wrote that like a year agoare you just trying to start another argument?

[GODZILLAANDSOUNDWAVE]

@DjangoEX Not exactly. I just hate it when Batman fanboys don't know shit about what they are talking about, which is about all the time. I saw a Batman fanboy who said Bats could come up with a chemical which could reverse Hulk back into Banner. Mr. Fantastic and Dr. Strange have tried with all their might, and nothing worked, and they are A LOT smarter than Batman. Thanos is stronger, smarter, and a better tactic. Batman would be dead within seconds.

[DjangoEX]

@GODZILLAANDSOUNDWAVE Well then sorry i guess. Even though I barely even like bats that much right now. But i still think Bats is a LOT smarter than Mr Fantastic and strange. and the comment "Batman would be dead within seconds" already proves your either a troll or a fanboy. Now fuck off.

[GODZILLAANDSOUNDWAVE]

@DjangoEX Batman is not smarter than Mr. Fantastic or Dr. Strange. Strange uses MAGIC, and Fantastic is probably smarter than Doctor Doom, who is MUCH smarter than Bats. Also, Batman WOULD be dead within seconds. I don't see how that statement makes me a troll or fanboy. I like Hulk more than ANYTHING, but I am not so ignorant I would deny he can LOSE fights.

[johnnykest]

@GODZILLAANDSOUNDWAVE What are you talking about? Batman literally owns Superman all the time! Batman is no moron! Batman is WAY smarter than Mr.Fantastic and 50 times smarter than Mr.Freeze! Now I will give you this Dr.Doom is smarter than Batman Construction wise. But seriously, Batman is the most feared and is ranked #1 on MOST of the WORLD wide strongest Hero lists! Now Batman can not defeat Thanos ALONE but he would hold his own for a very long time.....

[GODZILLAANDSOUNDWAVE]

@johnnykest You give Batman a LITTLE too much credit. Mr. Fantastic is smarter than Batman in a different kind of way, along with Doom. When it comes to scientific knowledge, while Batman is VERY smart, they are simply smarter in that sense. Also, where is he ranked the most strongest hero in the world? Superman would murder him if he wanted to, but he is better than that. Batman wouldn't last 5 seconds against Thanos. Thanos is not only smarter, but stronger than Superman and Thor.

[DoubleFeo]

@GODZILLAANDSOUNDWAVE i agree 100% mr fantastic created a cevice to stop galactus once ...what did batman created ....batmobile? and if galactus could kill superman imagine what thanos would do to batman

[Masokinski]

Lobo has also beat and maimed every single deity in every pantheon before he was thrown out of Heaven, then caused so much chaos in Hell that they tossed him out too.

Lobo is now immortal because it is forbidden to collect on him in the event of his death.

[oldgordo61]

Thanos still owns him. He faced down Odin, ruler of Asgard and one of the most powerful skyfathers of Earth's pagan gods, He took on Galactus and several Cosmic Entities with the Infinity Gems, including Eternity itself, and beat them. Even without the Gems, Thanos is one tough s.o.b.Thanos only gets beat because he subconsously provides the means to beat him.

[clg26]

Yet...Thanos died by the hands of Drax.

[Zealotmaster88]

dont forget the living tribunal where he destorys all life an the universe itself

[Catlicker101]

kICK ASS! you got it a hundred percent. I read that whole series and agree with you. Thanos is crazy tough to beat WHEN HE PUTS HIS MIND AND HEART TO IT..but deep down does not feel worthy of the power, just the contest and the journey. 5 stars to you! Wish the rest of these ppl would read! lol Props to ya.

[akumavsguile]

i like his theme song

[jacksok2]

Lobo is getting his ass kicked!

[Otakudeservetodie]

Lobo should get a new comic mini-series MATURE CONTENT (sorry kiddies), but that's probably never fraking gonna happen.

[martink200]

snes

[streets05]

whats system was this on?

[kinglanky93]

thats mugen its on pc

[jaysawanker]

Lobo is the most kick ass comic book character ever created. so underrated.

[Razzrazz90]

i remember in the comics that lobo was a bad guy then a good guy then a bad guy again now i dont know is lobo currently a bad guy or a good guy?

[keatonguy]

hes an anti hero. basically an untraditional hero. he just does wat he wants

[Razzrazz90]

oh u mean like deadpool/punisher/spawn?

[joeafish]

Thanos is probably the most decietful and sickest of all villians, he fooled the devil, and he fucks death. It took the entire marvel universe to take him down. Though Silver Surfer is my all time fav!

[KingTelamon]

Lol interesrting...fooling the devil and fucking death....hmmmm....LOL

[joeafish]

good question that should be a mini series, thanos and death a love story

[KingTelamon]

How can death be fucked anyway?....O_o

[Razzrazz90]

she is a character in marvel,she went out w/ (if u know him)deadpool 4 a while.

[KingTelamon]

Why would Death the Embodiment have a gender?It has no gender, it just takes form of a woman thats all. I also know that "it" had affiliations with Deadpool in which Thanos was jealous.

[Razzrazz90]

well cuz its a comic book it doesnt hav that many  limits in being realistic.

[blackliquer]

silver surfer 2nd my faverite marval and who is this lobo guy any way

[kinglanky93]

lobo's from dc

[drock285]

Lobo superhuman powers: Vast superhuman strenght, intergalactic tracing ability, healing factor, deeal with heaven that makes him immortal

[chrono4203]

If you all read the full infinity gauntlet series you will realize that even without all the stones thanos is godly powerful, he had to kill all the guardians of the gems in the first place, plus he has freaking death on his side. GG

[SSDDZOSO]

Too bad Lobo can't die... neither heaven nor hell nor anything in between will keep him...

[shadowlilnk]

0:50, attack of the jelly beans =D

[sprasher]

Why not? Aside from the Wolverine/Lobo and Storm/Wonder Woman fights, it was pretty accurate.

[sprasher]

Why not? Aside from the Wolverine/Lobo and Storm/Wonder Woman fights, it was pretty accurate.

[tonidragon1]

como se chama o jogo?

[sprasher]

Yeah I certainly agree with you, it's beyond ridiculous...but not as bad as it is at Marvel, where Wolverine is pushed as an uber badass, able to take on anybody and everybody. He not only KOed Lobo in MvsDC, but managed to cut Thanos as well - with bone claws!

These cash-cow characters are a cancer to the industry...from a storyline perspective, of course they sell books so they're not going anywhere, anytime soon.

[Foxstab]

Thanos is a pussy. His entire power comes from the gauntlet.

Give the gauntlet to Lobo and nothing in the universe can stop him (not that there are many things in the multiverse that can anyway).

Characters who rely on an item (either accessory or a certain solar body) are nothing but bitches.

Take the item away or neutralize its power/prevent its effect on them and they are nothing.

Lobo is a real man, the main man, you can strip him naked and he can still slay an entire planet.

[sprasher]

It's clear you know nothing about Thanos. Even without the gauntlet, he's extremely powerful...and has smacked Lobo around without breaking a sweat (check out Marvel vs. DC)

With the gauntlet, of course he's a god...but then again so is anyone who holds it...even Aunt May.

Lobo's a guy who's on par with Thor or the Silver Surfer...at best. Thanos kicks those guys around for fun.

Read some Thanos comics.

[Foxstab]

You are correct, I am no comics fan, my "canon" is elsewhere.

So I'll just take you at your word.

[Foxstab]

Explain to me something, though:

Is Lobo not superior to superman because the former has no known vulnerabilities yet the latter has the kryptonite syndrom?

And still, DC glorifies superman (how could they not) and render him to defeat everything from the Silversurfer onto Darkseid (the DC counterpart of Thanos), because the cockamany BS that "the human spirit must prevail" and because DC comics rolls issues that they need to sell.

Is that not completely ridiculous?

[Webins]

You can't use that bullshit known as "Marvel vs. DC" as proof.

[generalnazor]

What kind of crazy attack was that?!

A meteor shower?!

[emoslayer5000]

aint no death worshiping cheese head gonna beat the main man!

[Phil85Sawyer]

srry for double post, my comment didnt show up first time, lol. MAIN MAN RULES!

[Phil85Sawyer]

Lobo would die in 1 or 2 punches becuz SS died in 9?Lobos strength is on par wit superman and his healin factor is on par wit wolverines.He died twice, goin to heaven and hell and he was barred from both, givin him is power of immortality.He cant die, hes superstrong(remember supes pushed warworld),his healing factor heals his wounds super quick and restores his spent energy, so his power never drains.Not sayin hed win, but cant die and hes no wuss.

[RedCalibur9]

Healing factor on par with Wolverine? Um, no, Wolverine can't regenerate from NOTHING. Lobo CAN'T die, God signed a contract that prevents it. :)

[RedCalibur9]

Healing factor on par with Wolverine? Um, no, Wolverine can't regenerate from NOTHING. Lobo CAN'T die, God signed a contract that prevents it. :)

[Phil85Sawyer]

Lobo would die in 1or 2 punches? Becuz SS died in 9? Lobo died twice, he was sent to heaven and hell and was barred from both, which made him immortal. Lobo CANT die. Lobos strength is on par wit superman and his healin factor is on par wit wolverines. Lobo cant die from his wounds and his wounds heal superfast from the healin power.Also his power doesnt drain as he keeps fightin due to healin factor. Not sayin he would win,but he wouldnt be killed,espcially not easy.

[DrVictorDoom]

Lobo would have got his ASS BEAT so bad in this fight.1 or 2 punches.Dont forget Thanos killed the Silver Surfer in 9 punches before.

[Juanchih]

thanos is one of the most powerfull and most cunning caracters in Marvel/dc world,

[31uniformbigwill]

but what made thanos so powerful was the infinity gaunlet...havent read comics in awhile but the infinity watch(adam warlock) held the gaunlet

[undisputedgreatest]

Neat, but nobody beats th' Main Man.

[v1ryus]

ROFL you're so bad - learn2block

[butikisaurusrex]

where can i get thanos?pls help

[SgtHartsock]

crazy screen pack..can you tell me more about it?

[dexterme]

how could not block the MIND ATTACK. it's animation take way to long and can be seen coming from a galaxy away.

[flamingmonkey123]

.... y didn't u block the mindgem attack?!

[mhsanchez]

I'm not playing, its all artifical intelligence. Though I didn't code the AI for either of these characters, still thought it was cool to see them go at it. Also shows how tough they are as a benchmark for when I put my AI tweaked characters against them.