No, the kids don't have to believe it, but I am an Atheist, who is also 12, and I can tell you that is one of the rarest thing ON THE PLANET. My sister and a few of our friends weren't as easy to be swayed as every other minors we know. Kids are young and impressionable, and putting prayer over the intercom everyday would influence kids I know to not think for themselves, and I doubt it's a different situation in their school.It is also mixing church and state together,which is unconstitutional.
back when I used to go to secondary school (11 -16 yr. olds) I used to not do anything while the rest of the assembly bowed their heads in prayer (well maybe not all but I didn't really pay any notice) so I used to stick out like a sore thumb. Not a thing was said to me about it.
I think the school should just do what /other/ schools (atleast in my area) are doing. In the morning just give them a minute or two of silence, where they have the choice to pray, reflect, meditate, or just sit there. IRL it's a choice, school is preparing them for life, so it should be choice there as well.
did anybody notice that in this episode he is wearing glasses and in other videos he is.... go to another video if you don't belive me!!! thumbs up if you noticed
I don't think it matters. I'm an atheist, but when I say "under God" during the pledge, it really doesn't bother me. The Buddhist kids don't seen bothered by it either. I didn't even know that the words in the pledge actually meant something until 5th grade.
See now i don't understand why we have to do the pledge every morning at school? cause if we dont stand up...at least in my homeroom we get yelled at to stand up...i Really don't want to say stuff to a Flag every morning..i dont get it..i respect the troops dont get me wrong, but why are we saying this to a flag...
@night4345 But to a flag of all things? It may just be me. But when you think about it they make you do it for 12 years, and then your out of school and you dont ever do it again. I support the troops an everything like i said. I just dont want to stand to pledge my allegence (i can't spell) to a flag every morning, not my thing. I shouldnt have to show it to make people know i support.
When I was in public school for elementary school we went through a moment of silence so we could pray, SILENTLY!!! This was "okay" because people didn't have to pray if they were not religious, but my idiot teacher, being who she was, prayed out loud for all to here and if we all didn't say amen she would what until we did, no matter how ling it took!
Its my opinion that no one should be aloud to teach children things that aren't actually true as if they were true. It will one day be considered child abuse and we should try to get to that day sooner rather than later. Private or public schools or even in your own home, its deliberate misinformation and it does real damage.
@wearethearchers And the government shouldn't decide on a specific religion, which is what its doing by saying prayers over the loudspeakers. If this were a private school (who doesn't receive money and/or grants from the government) or a religiously affiliated school (who also does not receive money from the government), then they could play polka over the loudspeakers for all I care. But to suggest any religion in a public school setting is to promote one religion over another.
the kids could just close their ears yes, but the prayers still would be a waste of time and nobody really wants to be bored just because of a stupid tradition that doesnt involve the him/her. still not that big a deal though
haha i kinda agree with phil, i was raised a catholic but i had that bs so much i just turned on it lol but still dont think it should b pushed down kids throughts cus many r very golable and wont see that that is a lie.
The prayers should not be allowed this is not church and prayers are not needed of this was a catholic highschool I would understand but I don't think this is the case schools should not force religion down the throats of children and I am outraged about this
Of course the prayers should be allowed. If it's tradition, apparently there havent been any problems BEFORE. It's just like the Pledge of Allegiance: We've done it forever, but if you don't wanna pledge to being "under God" then JUST DON'T SAY IT. Honestly, it's just a bunch of people making life more difficult than necessary, like those people that reported there being a Christmas tree in a school and the principal being forced to take it down. people needta get over them damn selves.
I think that the prayers should be allowed, it seems like since prayer & Bible reading have been taken out of schools the students have become more violent, whorish, etc. so I think that they shoud allow it, just my opinion.
@OHMAGOODNITS Are you kidding me? Has a high school student, I know that if you want anything illegal, drugs, booze, etc, you go to the Catholic school. And the teen pregnancy rates there are HUGE, They actually had to change the staff room into a nursery . Talked to my mom, it was the same when she was in school in Toronto. Same with my Dad who lived in the horse farm,
@shadexl Ohhh Catholic school, you do understand that Catholiscism is a RELIGION that put the mphaziz on mankind & not God, im not really suprised to hear that.
catholic school for me too!!understand... yup yup the school should bve allowed haha i mean yeah im still ok with god and i talk to him.. but the school by making them listen will turn them away from it... so. hahah
@MrCandyManTime When the religious stop proselytizing their myths, I'll keep spreading facts. The personal experiences of scientists don't prove god anymore than a muslim's experiences with allah prove allah. Projecting your need to have someone to look up to upon me is pretty revealing of your inability to think for yourself. I don't need a magical sky daddy, thank you. You can believe all you like, that's your right, but never say it's factual and never say it applies to me.
I think if it isn't a private school then the school should be objective. If someone wants to hear that shit, go to a church. I mean they preach christianity then they should preach everything else(almost) Islam, Judism, Hinduism, Buddism .. and of COURSE atheism.. haha
It depends, if the prayers are meant to be religious and/or part of the school curriculum or part of some school tradition and therefore do not necessarily reflect the schools beliefs. If the latter is true than I would agree the students should just learn to deal with it, if its the former, however, than the school should cut it out.
@dumbobaggins Just because things aren't known doesn't verify that a/any god or gods exist. Just because something can't be falsified, or is even remotely possible but lacking evidence, aren't good reasons for believing in something, like leprechauns, for example. Further, which god? The christian god? Allah? Brahma? Zurvan? Odin? A "deist" god? Gods of specific religions: no, they don't exist. The deist one? Maybe, but with no proof, I don't believe, nor is it reasonable to believe.
@dumbobaggins now if there's smaller things, couldn't there be larger things too? Now we pretty much know the universe started with the big bang, but do we know what was before it? It could hypothetically be "God" starting his experiment. Now religion is just our ancestors attempt to explain the to them unexplainable. Maybe by chance they got it right, and it wouldn't be the first time that thats happened. Now would you argue that God is a impossibility? I personally say it is a improbability
@dumbobaggins first discovered,scientists thought that these were the smallest particles until electrons and protons and neutrons were discovered and proven. at that point they thought that was it but then some smart heads got together and came up with quarks who had to in theory exist and lo-and-behold they do. Now allot of smart heads have come together at cern to, among other things prove the existence of "the God particle" or the Higgs boson (continued)
@LordSlag I just wanted to ask if you have ever tried looking at "God" as sort of a scientist, some one who simply started an experiment and is watching over it and maybe changing certain parameters at times just to see what happens. I mean who's to say that our universe as we live it is actually infinite? It could in fact be a speck of dust in a much larger dust bunny. now i know I can't prove it, but consider this: when the existence of atoms was first discovered, (continued)
@LordSlag (continued) have now confirmed that the snake lost its legs through microevolution. There are many other things, and words of wisdom that can be found in the Bible, as there are in science. It is foolish to believe any view in its entirety is that of morons or fools.
@soytatan I completely dismiss leprechauns, and so do you. Science would still have the Big Bang theory without your silly dogma because the evidence points to it objectively and another would have discovered it. Quote me chapter and verse from Isaiah or it doesn't exist. You have no evidence that god did anything, anywhere, much less making snakes lose their legs, where in the bible does it mention how whales lost their legs? Nowhere. Your god murders babies: Noah's Flood, 10th Plague.
@LordSlag To dismiss any belief entirely is very unwise. Without the christians we would not have 'The Big Bang Theory' as it was first brought to existence by the Catholic Church to prove to science that energy can be created. The bible has many valid points that support many of its teachings. In the book of Isaiah it states that the Earth is like a sphere that floats in space. In Genesis, the Bible says that God punished the snake and removed its legs as a punishment. In modern science we...
Well prepare to be "attacked" again Lord Slag. I agree, evolution exists. However it is unbelievably rude to call somebody’s beliefs a fairy tale. The only reason for you to say stuff like that is to upset people, as it probably makes you feel better about yourself by putting Christians beneath you.
@LinkMEP And a coward without the fortitude to address me directly, attacks. When religion stops being rude to me by threatening me with eternal torture for disagreeing with them, holding themselves superior to me because of their willful ignorance, telling me who I can or can't marry, when I can buy alcohol and where, or spewing their religious jizz on the money I'm forced to use, maybe THEN I'll be a little more polite. UNTIL THEN, shut the fuck up you ignorant hypocrite.
@LordSlag I am new to Youtube and did not mean to sneak my comment in there. For that I apologize. I, who am a Christian, do not believe in threatening people, do not believe in restricting free will, and feel that alcohol and religion are unrelated. Also there is no need to throw insults. In addition I get the feeling that Christians were rude and mean to you in the past. Please know that they do not represent Christianity as a whole. But by doing the same makes you no better.
@LinkMEP I retract my statement regarding cowardice. There are many counties and one state in the US that restricts alcohol sales to various degrees and the motivations are religious. No, the bigoted, willfully ignorant and "rude" don't represent the entirety of xtians, merely the frighteningly vast majority.
@LordSlag The Irony is that most of the things you dislike religious people for is against most religions, Christians or otherwise. Some people call themselves and even believe themselves to be Christians but are actually something completely different. A side note: There are several denominations of Christians that believe in an absolute separation of Church and State.
@LinkMEP It's not irony, it's a similarity, and I'm fully aware of it, thank you kindly. Christians in 'Merica who believe in the Separation of Church&State are the rare exception, not the rule. The vast majority of them are bigoted, willfully ignorant, uneducated, antiscience, religious elitists who will gladly destroy useful knowledge about the world that benefits humankind in order to prop up their bronze age myths. Trust me, I treat all stupid supernatural bunk with the exact same contempt.
@LordSlag Except of course that there are just as many Atheists who are bigoted, willfully ignorant, and uneducated. I’ll admit that there more religious people who are anti-science than Atheists.
@LinkMEP No, you are wrong. Atheism is positively correlated with all the following in many different double blind, peer reviewed, large population studies: Intelligence, Education, and Liberalism. That you try to equate atheists with theists only demonstrates the bias you operate from.
@LordSlag I did a little research and found the studies you are referring too. Or rather I found brief quotes of them. The original studies in full were no where to be found on the world wide web. I was unable to find any of these studies on an unbiased website. The evidence for these studies existing seems lacking.
@LinkMEP That's because you are inept at finding them or are too biased to accept any data that doesn't back you. Here is just a SMALL sampling of 49 of them that I found over the course of 7 minutes: Wiebe and Fleck, 1980 Norman Poythress, 1975 Robert Wuthnow, 1978 Michael Argyle, 1958 Donald Gragg, 1942 Thomas Symington, 1935 Brown and Love, 1951 Thomas Howells, 1927 Young, Dustin and Holtzman, 1966 C. Plant and E. Minium, 1967 Abraham Franzblau, 1934 Now you'll try to say these don't count.
@LordSlag Part 1. Ok, Atheists are usually smarter than religious people. However I have found, on a secular website, that there was a study done which found that religious people are usually nicer and more honest than atheists.
@LordSlag Part 2. I believe there is balance in this world. Perhaps the Atheists are here to improve the world with their intelligence and religious people are here to bring kindness into the world. Regardless of whose right our two groups should come together and make the world a better place with our differences.
2-Your beliefs are irrelevant and your speculation as to purpose makes the false assumption that there is an objective purpose to our existence, to which I disagree. Further, if religious people were nicer, they wouldn't be, say, preaching to africans about the evils of condom use during a full blown AIDS plague.
@LordSlag You didn't cite your sources so does that mean that they don't exist? It is dailymail.co.uk. I didn't say religious people were always nicer, I said they tend to be, as the case study said. Even if there isn't an objective purpose we, as people, can create our own purpose to make the world a better place.
@LinkMEP The catholic church's position on birth control is WELL ESTABLISHED, and for you to demand a source for what they're position is and whether or not they're preaching it in africa is enormously dishonest of you as it is common knowledge. Dailymail is a news outlet and therefore is not a reliable source of unbiased data, further, you need be more specific so I can find this "research". I agree that we as humans can make a purpose to our existence, I engage in that daily.
@LordSlag I was referring to the sources of the case studies showing Atheists to be smarter. I never asked you for the sources of those, and I was merely calling you on the fact the you expected a source when you never gave me any. I hate to break it to you but a news outlet is still more reliable than the sites with the case studies showing Athiests to be smarter. dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1066784/Religious-people-helpful-honest-generous-say-scientists.html
@LinkMEP Just as I predicted, your bigoted religious dishonesty has caused you to disregard 8 decades worth of large population, peer reviewed, double blind scientific research. Imagine my lack of shock. On the other hand, your ONE source from a news site that also currently has a study saying that humans are psychic, says that religiosity only played a part in volunteering if the participants were told that their help was unlikely to be called upon. Oops, you look pretty stupid now, huh.
@LordSlag How dare you! You call me a bigot! I have said nothing even remotely bigoted. I did not ignore the results, I just said if you believe in yours to believe in mine but apparently you only believe what suits you. What you said at the end is out of context, what that meant was is that more Atheists choose to sign up for things that they won’t be called on for, though I do admit that statement was unclear and easily misinterpreted.
@LordSlag Part 2. I want a world where people of different beliefs can come together and make the world a better place. But you only want people who think like you. I remain polite and yet you insist on calling me names. I tell you this not to be mean but to help you realize these things about yourself so you can be a better person. You are a bigot and a xenophobe.
@LinkMEP No, I have a mountain of evidence and you have only one unreliable article. This is fact, and your bias prevents you from seeing it. No, what I said was exactly what the article said and it's the religious who only sign up more if their help is unlikely to be called upon, it's called reading comprehension: Look it up. I want a world where everyone acknowledges reality instead of lying to themselves and others because they want to be immortal. You're willfully stupid.
@LordSlag Your mountain of evidence are a bunch of source-less paraphrases. Your bias prevents you from seeing it. I scored high on my reading comprehension on my accu-placer test for college (though I did score slightly low on writing and very low on the two math sections). Your last sentences in your last comment prove that you want everyone to think like you do. Wrong or not you should let people think what they want because this is a free country. What you suggest is fascism.
@LinkMEP No, my mountain of evidence is a mountain of evidence and simply ignoring it doesn't make it go away. The last sentences in my previous comment show I want people to acknowledge facts and an accurate description of your education. People may BELIEVE what they want, just so long as they don't tout their superstitions as fact, which they do. What I suggest is nothing more than what I suggested:That people acknowledge reality. Your problem with that shows your willful stupidity.
@LordSlag Part 1. Your problem is being willfully mean. You want people to believe in fact, yet fact always changes. The world used the be flat. The sun used to revolve around The Earth. More recently Pluto was a planet. These were things that were known to be true but are now known to be false. You order people to be to be certain of certainties, but this is a world with out certainties.
@LordSlag Sure there is no proof of any God, but who’s to say there won’t be one day? I not saying there is going to be, I am just saying in a world where nothing is certain you should let people believe what ever they want, no matter how ridiculous you feel it is. You could be 100% right about everything, but to make everyone else believe the same way as you is fascism.
@LinkMEP Facts don't change. The sun never revolved around the earth, humanity was merely wrong. It is certain that the earth orbits the sun, and no discovery will ever change that. This exemplifies why you're wrong: You think collective belief DETERMINES reality, and it doesn't. I refuse to accept something as true because there MIGHT one day be evidence, to do so is absurd. Touting facts and making people look stupid for not accepting them isn't fascism, it's plainly stating what reality is.
@LordSlag I wasn't going to say anymore, but I have to clear something else. I was clearly talking about humanities perception of facts changing, not the facts themselves changing, please don't use take my words out of context to make me look stupid. Once again, have a nice life.
@LinkMEP No, you clearly stated that facts change and that's why no one should believe them. First, that argument can be made about your dogma, and second, I don't have to twist your words to make you look stupid. You do a fine job all on your own. I don't spread hate, I spread facts and just because those facts disagree with you doesn't make me mean or a fascist, Mr. Beck, it makes me correct. My life is very productive, and for you to pretend to know otherwise is puerile and transparent.
@LordSlag Part 1. No, I clearly said that people's perceptions of the facts change. As this line clearly shows: "These were things that were known to be true but are now known to be false." My problem was not with you spreading facts it was with you calling anybody who didn't agree with you stupid. Even if they are stupid, it is mean to tell them so.
@LordSlag Part 2. I saw a lector by an Atheist today and was fine with the things he said and he is against people attacking other people's beliefs like you do. I have made my stance on wanting us to stop this discussion peacefully very clear, but you keep on dragging me back in, which is very rude. Now, hopefully for the last time, I wish you a good life Lord Slag, goodbye.
@LinkMEP I don't care what he's for or against. When people like you deny reality in order to prop up your laughable, dangerous, genocidal dogmas from the bronze age, I speak up, present the facts of the matter and take the willfully stupid to task upon them. If you want the conversation to stop, then leave, I can't force you to post, but your ignorance will not ring out unopposed by my knowledge, and me doing so doesn't make me "nonpeaceful". Your god murders babies: 10th Plague, Noah's Flood.
@LinkMEP You say its wrong to tell someone their belief is wrong, however What would you tell a member of the KKK if their belief was that all Black people had no right to live? That is their religion, do they have a right to say that even though none of it is based on fact? And if perhaps you believe that they have a right to say it but not undertake action for it because of laws. Then what about many stories that have appeared in the news about gays killing themselves because of being outed.
@AfricaniAM I don't like the KKK either. The KKK are anti-African American. I also do not like anti-gay people. My problem with Lord Slag is not with his atheism, but rather with his anti-religion views. I don't like people who define themselves as being against something. Why not be for something? Pro-God or Pro-Big Bang was a random event. I am fine with both of these.
@LinkMEP I never meant to infer that you like the KKK or anti-gay groups, I was only trying to show that telling people their belief is wrong is like Christians that do missionaries. Both believe their purpose is for the greater good. And you say you hate people who are against something, but by joining something you ultimately are against something else. For example, Christians are against Satanism, therefore you are against something even though you are "for" something as well.
@AfricaniAM I knew you weren't inferring that, I was just reiterating that I didn’t like them so I could better explain why I did not like anti-religious people. You say Christians are also a group against something, Satanism. But that is similar to African Americans not liking the KKK. Satanism is a reaction to Christianity, there for Satanism was founded on the principles of not liking Christians, while Christians were not founded on such principles.
@LinkMEP Just to clarify a few points; while KKK is based on the principle of white supremacy that doesn't go both ways, therefore not all blacks hate the KKK, and if I'm correct Christianity was founded because man was losing faith in God due to the devils temptations on Earth, therefore I think it makes sense to call Christianity the reaction while Satanism is the reaction to perhaps Jewish beliefs. Also a LOT of stories from the Bible have a LOT of similarities to B.C.E Gods
@LinkMEP I didn't misunderstand you, I took you exactly at your word. Just because you're too ignorant to understand what a fact is, what evidence is, and what conclusions you can draw from them doesn't give you permission to speak ill of me to others. Keep my name out of your writings, bigot.
@LordSlag I did keep your name out of it and referred to you as "he". But I do see you point and I am sorry. I should have told you directly that you have repeatedly showed a lack of reading comprehension.
@LordSlag I do know what a fact is. Don't call me a bigot as I am not one, it is you who do not like people with beliefs different from your own. I am friends with Christians, Jews, Pagans, Wiccans, Buddhists, and Agnostics. I also have friends who are of different color than myself and homosexuals. I even had romantic interest in a Buddhist. I have even tried to be friends with Atheists, but they couldn't accept me. How I can be a bigot is beyond me.
@LinkMEP You are a bigot because you hold the position that I will be tortured forever after I die because I disagree with you. Perhaps I didn't make that clear, I trust it is now.
@LordSlag A common misconception. Not all Christian denominations believe that. Some do not even believe in hell. You make an assumption about me that isn't true.
@LinkMEP So, if there's no hell, where did Hitler go, in your spiritual framework? Further, if words are to have any meaning at all, the word christian describes a particular group of people, large as they are, that hold to a certain set of tenets, hell being one of the OVERWHELMINGLY agreed upon ideas amongst them. If you don't believe in hell, you're not a christian, and your failure to communicate that to me until now is HUGELY dishonest. Now defend the 10th Plague: Your god murders babies.
@LordSlag Now your just being stupid calling the entire denomination of The Advent Christian Church as not being Christian. You are overwhelmingly ignorant. It is not dishonest, it didn't come up you stupid bigot. You murder people to, such hateful comments sometimes cause people to kill themselves. You are a murdering, bigoted fascist. I am blocking you, I don't want to associate my self with the next Hitler who wants all Christians, Jews and countless others to die any longer.
@LinkMEP So, christian can mean anything, to anyone, depending on what sect you follow, even if you make up your own: got it. At least I'm not stupid enough to follow a religion made up by a guy who incorrectly predicted judgment day in 1843/1844. DERP! You're a lunatic if you think I'm responsible for what others do because of what I say/write. If that were true then you're guilty of the same. I don't want others dead, I want them to acknowledge reality and that doesn't make me a fascist.
@LinkMEP I missed these two responses from you. When xtianity was founded could be argued to be in the iron age, but the case is poor. So it would be okay for you to murder hindu babies because they'd go to heaven and to prevent them from going to hell because their parents would teach them the wrong religion? I love it. Continuing to call me a fascist because I demand moral account for the tenets of your silly faith only strengthens my position. Try one post at a time so I don't miss them.
@LordSlag You completely abanded the following sentence which puts the statement about going to heaven into perspective. Of course you don’t understand because of you low reading comprehension. Of course I don't beleive in killing babies. Your the one who brought that up. Advent Christians believe that his soul just dies, his soul would cease the exist. But this will not happen until The Second Coming. Until the Second Coming all Souls go into a state of sleep until The Second Coming.
@LinkMEP You're the one who believes that your god murdered countless babies in the Flood, 10th Plague, and Soddom & Gomorrah. It's neither ambiguous nor taken out of context. Using your faith, I've roped you into defending infanticide. Hell, heaven, or not, murdering babies is wrong and not only does your god DO IT, he's PROUD of it! So if I don't believe in your god, my consciousness is forever destroyed, which is exactly what i believe happens anyway. So what's the difference for me?
@LordSlag Conclusion. I realize now that what you want from your life is to be mean. While I do not like this, this is your choice. If you want to spread hate, I don’t like or approve of it, but it is your choice. I tried to persuade you to a more productive life, but you are obviously set in your ways. Have a nice life.
Kinda relevant to the religion in schools thing, I read this the other day:
Religion is like a penis. It is fine to have one and it is fine to be proud of it. But please don't whip it out in public and PLEASE don't shove it down my kid's throat.
Dumbfucking Christians should keep there shit to themselves, wasn't it illegal to force religion on to kids? dumbasses should hang on a cross and wait for rapture or somthing
QOTD: I don't think its necessary for schools to have morning prayers. Many of the kids in schools may not be Christians. The parents should have a conference with the school board about these things before its a for sure thing. I don't put myself in an organized religion because it's pointless and people who are in O. religions end up sinning. I don't want that burden. I'd rather repeat the pledge of allegiance than pray.
At my high school, the national anthem is played every morning. But my first period class is science, so instead of turning around to face the flag like we're supposed to, we really just turn around so we can watch the fish in the tank next to it for about a minute and a half.
I agree with Phil but it doesnt matter. It's a violation of the law and cannot happen. The first amendment states that the government cannot establish a state religion. Prayer in a school, a government building, is a violation of the first amendment and cannot be allowed. However, if this was a private school, they can do whatever they want. Just stating the law.
Lordslag, your intellectual persona is missing a few lessons in language arts.
If you're going to play high and mighty intellectual overlord, you must have perfect use of the language you're speaking. Everyone on the Internet knows this.
I believe prayin/tokin to god is a very personal & individualistic thing. the last thing god wants is for us to b another flock of mindless angels that uses the same old words to tok to him. he gave us freewill so that he could get sum creativity & entertainment outta it :D
ok, everyone can believe what they want, if u doint believe in god so be it! if u do than their is still no reson to shove it down everyones throat (sorry for the bluntness) People are allowed to believe what they want, and if they dont believe the same thing as u, so be it!!!! im cathlolic, but u dont see me sayin "Believe in god or u go to hell!!!"! i belive that everyone can think wut they want! and i also believe that god loves EVERYONE!! no matter what!
Fuck prayer and what if my fingers are dirty and I don't have some lovely Purell by my side or a sink with some anti-bacterial soap?! I'm not risking brain eating ear worms just so I don't have to hear fruity obedient little low self esteem having Jesus freaks shoot their religious loads all over the classroom
@sige16 The voice of ignorance, will not ring out unopposed by mine, including yours. I attract the willfully stupid because they detest anyone who dares puncture their bubble of intentional stupidity, all they need do is acknowledge reality.
@LordSlag ....one more attacking me was my comment ignorent? no you are fighting with every one, and im not gunna get into it again with you point less youtube fights help no one..and acknowladge reality you say over and over im not convinced you know what is best for every one but you seem to be. but forget it im not getting draw into another fight with you i hate cp fight every one acts like a know it all...so go ahead comment back with something u feel should offened me i will not reply :)
@sige16 I never said I know what's best for everyone, little boy, stop putting words in my mouth. I'm not trying to offend you, so, if you're offended, I don't know why. I refuse to let your ignorance go unopposed, especially when you combine it with an attack against me. I don't need to "chill", which is just your euphemism for being silent while others encourage willful ignorance. Don't want me criticizing you? Then acknowledge the evidence of reality or be silent. Simple.
@elementality4me I said nothing about "no religion". Kids should learn about, and be exposed to religion, however, their choice in religion or lack of it should not be handled by the school at all. They should ask their parents, or do the rare but desirable alternative and think about it for themselves. Also, closing with a blind insult and overuse of periods makes you seem stupid. Have a nice day. =^)
@lordslagI never changed my opinion you twisted it from the start and I ain't vying about it I'm pointing out what a jerk and closed minded person you are get over yourself.
@SwashyGirl i'll make this simple for you. the "theory of god" isn't science it's religion so it shouldn't be taught in a science class. facts need to be taught in science not beliefs.
@SwashyGirl You've reversed your position on everything, your comments show it. Words have meaning and what you started with is exactly as I've quoted you below. Acknowledge reality, idiot.
if we were to go from a "moon base" to mars thats like your house being the earth, the moon being your backyard and mars travelling from one side of the earth to the other lol
i go to a catholic school and they do prayer or whatever before school, before lunch, after school and (depending on the teacher) pray before class begins. We are not forced to participate, many times i don't, so i think its okay for a school to have prayer in school( as long as it is private). sxephil is right, words are just words and you don't have to believe them and it definitely does not make them right.
@sparkster it's useless with lordslag. He called me a bitch and a cunt. Because I thought if you teach evolution as a theory in classes then teach the theory of god/gods and let kids decide. Yeah he is a jerk who downs people who have opposite ideas or beliefs. It is no way to treat others by any means and he is a waste of time.
@SwashyGirl Says the girl who completely reversed her position on everything. Hmm...I should probably QFT what you said there too, or maybe let you erase what you said so I can point out your dishonesty later. In any case, you supported willful ignorance, I called you on it and if the best retort you can come up with is that I used bad words, then your position is just as weak as I suspect. "Whaa!! He called me names! BOOHOO!!"
@SwashyGirl That's what I thought too. I thought that view would be universal - it reflects the views of both sides accurately and you can come up with an informed decision. People who refuse to acknowledge the views of others when others acknowledge theirs in a way are a mere product of the flawed education system that they're arguing about themselves... they're just the clever version of that, making the facts fit their ideas not the other way around. It really makes me sad.
I'm Christian but I believe in evolution. "How is this possible?" you ask. Well my little retard, let me explain.
God is all-powerful, all-knowing, blahblahblah. So why would he simply go "BAM" and create stuff? Wouldn't he be a bit more creative and artful? Plus, he's immortal, so he has all the time he wants. Why would the "seven days" be a week on Earth AND in the Gregorian calendar? Considering he started with nothing, couldn't a "day" be any amount of time? and couldn't they vary in length?
1. The Bible has been translated and retranslated and untranslated and then translated some more, the wording isn't the same as it was in its original Hebrew.
2. The Bible is OLDER THAN COPY AND PASTE meaning people had to rewrite it by hand. Mistakes get made, rewriters get creative or start paraphrasing, it's not a perfect process.
3. METAPHORS EXIST YOU RETARD. Don't take everything word for word.
I'm a Christian but I think for myself. You should try it sometime.
@potatoguyman agree about the metaphors a bit rude though. You do realise that translation is will improve the Bible it is not one text that is "translated and retranslated and untranslated and then translated some more". What they translate is the oldest, most reliable copy so that very little if anything will get lost. Those who first made copies, I am sure were very very careful to be accurate as they would have understood the importance of the script. The Bible today is a very accurate copy
@GuidesFreak I didn't reference any facts just common sense really. If you look at the hundreds of translations to english of the Bible, you see they all match up. If there were any mistranslations (and I'm sure there have been in a few copies) people would immediately pick up on it. The Bible is read every day by millions of people. Other translations to peculiar languages are created and these are made from English generally so they will be less reliable.
The catholic church has the most doumentation compared to any other religion. I think for myself, but to question the genuinity of the Bible itself is a bit too much. Believe what you want, but dont go on pointing to a religious book as documented as the bible saying it is messed up, when was written in consent of most of the christian denominations, compared to the way books of other religions were written).
It was allowed to translate it so all followers can read it in their own language. In the past it was mainly in Latin, Greek and coptic, but not anymore. Religions like islam force their language on all followers, most of whom dont even understand arabic.
If you have a problem understanding the bible & paraphrasing, ask a priest or a professional. Any book for that matter is never easy to understand fully, even fucking novels for some dimwits, so let alone a 2000 year old book.
@potatoguyman I'm not trying to start something but i thought the bible was first written in Emeric (idk how to spell it). I'm not christian but I'm just saying
I think it would be hilarious if the kids plugged their ears and went "LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALA"
Then the school people would go "Oh, wait a second, we're retarded."
I'm a Christian, but I really don't like it when some Christians (I know a few) try to jam Christianity down non-Christian throats. Being annoying will definitely NOT make someone think your religion is correct.
i would just be a dick and actually put my fingers in my ears and say "LALALALALALALALALALALALALA" loud as fuck to piss people off
osoelv702 3 days ago
normal school shouldnt be a place for religion.
LotsOfLolz4Eva 1 week ago
No, the kids don't have to believe it, but I am an Atheist, who is also 12, and I can tell you that is one of the rarest thing ON THE PLANET. My sister and a few of our friends weren't as easy to be swayed as every other minors we know. Kids are young and impressionable, and putting prayer over the intercom everyday would influence kids I know to not think for themselves, and I doubt it's a different situation in their school.It is also mixing church and state together,which is unconstitutional.
XblackswanXx 1 month ago
omg i know what it is like going throught a reeeeeeeeeely reeeeeeeely christian school now and i am NOT USED TO IT!!
thegreenspotshow 1 month ago
back when I used to go to secondary school (11 -16 yr. olds) I used to not do anything while the rest of the assembly bowed their heads in prayer (well maybe not all but I didn't really pay any notice) so I used to stick out like a sore thumb. Not a thing was said to me about it.
carefullkiller 1 month ago
I think the school should just do what /other/ schools (atleast in my area) are doing. In the morning just give them a minute or two of silence, where they have the choice to pray, reflect, meditate, or just sit there. IRL it's a choice, school is preparing them for life, so it should be choice there as well.
BlekahIsBack 2 months ago
CATFACE!!!!!!!!
ijanzi 2 months ago
did anybody notice that in this episode he is wearing glasses and in other videos he is.... go to another video if you don't belive me!!! thumbs up if you noticed
hawaiigirl5000 9 months ago
I don't think it matters. I'm an atheist, but when I say "under God" during the pledge, it really doesn't bother me. The Buddhist kids don't seen bothered by it either. I didn't even know that the words in the pledge actually meant something until 5th grade.
pjcrafty 10 months ago
See now i don't understand why we have to do the pledge every morning at school? cause if we dont stand up...at least in my homeroom we get yelled at to stand up...i Really don't want to say stuff to a Flag every morning..i dont get it..i respect the troops dont get me wrong, but why are we saying this to a flag...
BlameCanadaDuh02 10 months ago
@BlameCanadaDuh02 because the nation protects you so the least you could do is show support for it for 2 minutes
night4345 2 months ago
@night4345 But to a flag of all things? It may just be me. But when you think about it they make you do it for 12 years, and then your out of school and you dont ever do it again. I support the troops an everything like i said. I just dont want to stand to pledge my allegence (i can't spell) to a flag every morning, not my thing. I shouldnt have to show it to make people know i support.
BlameCanadaDuh02 2 months ago
@BlameCanadaDuh02 do you not know history at all?
night4345 2 months ago
pause at 1:52 lol =D
azorian2 11 months ago
When I was in public school for elementary school we went through a moment of silence so we could pray, SILENTLY!!! This was "okay" because people didn't have to pray if they were not religious, but my idiot teacher, being who she was, prayed out loud for all to here and if we all didn't say amen she would what until we did, no matter how ling it took!
PigfartsAndRedvines 11 months ago
President Obama is GREAT !!
mitchthemich 1 year ago
Its my opinion that no one should be aloud to teach children things that aren't actually true as if they were true. It will one day be considered child abuse and we should try to get to that day sooner rather than later. Private or public schools or even in your own home, its deliberate misinformation and it does real damage.
ryanp123456 1 year ago
@wearethearchers And the government shouldn't decide on a specific religion, which is what its doing by saying prayers over the loudspeakers. If this were a private school (who doesn't receive money and/or grants from the government) or a religiously affiliated school (who also does not receive money from the government), then they could play polka over the loudspeakers for all I care. But to suggest any religion in a public school setting is to promote one religion over another.
conrad5501 1 year ago
NJ is fucked up enough just by having governer Christie. both my parents are teachers and their jobs might be in jepordy.
ManlyMatrixMan 1 year ago
If the school receives public funding, I'm against it. Otherwise, who fucking cares?
mentaluproar 1 year ago
the kids could just close their ears yes, but the prayers still would be a waste of time and nobody really wants to be bored just because of a stupid tradition that doesnt involve the him/her. still not that big a deal though
leonelV1 1 year ago
'Bolth" is not a word....
RobynCorynne 1 year ago
haha i kinda agree with phil, i was raised a catholic but i had that bs so much i just turned on it lol but still dont think it should b pushed down kids throughts cus many r very golable and wont see that that is a lie.
RainbowJudeSuxxx 1 year ago
The prayers should not be allowed this is not church and prayers are not needed of this was a catholic highschool I would understand but I don't think this is the case schools should not force religion down the throats of children and I am outraged about this
supakitkat97 1 year ago
Yay it's my bday today :D
glasslove19 1 year ago
Of course the prayers should be allowed. If it's tradition, apparently there havent been any problems BEFORE. It's just like the Pledge of Allegiance: We've done it forever, but if you don't wanna pledge to being "under God" then JUST DON'T SAY IT. Honestly, it's just a bunch of people making life more difficult than necessary, like those people that reported there being a Christmas tree in a school and the principal being forced to take it down. people needta get over them damn selves.
fixitpuppet 1 year ago
Bill Clinton is a real gangster hands down
samurai624 1 year ago
I personally can't wait for some moon popsicles
codymlvn21 1 year ago 30
yes cuz it's freedom of religion =?>
stnick1993 1 year ago
I think that the prayers should be allowed, it seems like since prayer & Bible reading have been taken out of schools the students have become more violent, whorish, etc. so I think that they shoud allow it, just my opinion.
OHMAGOODNITS 1 year ago
@OHMAGOODNITS Are you kidding me? Has a high school student, I know that if you want anything illegal, drugs, booze, etc, you go to the Catholic school. And the teen pregnancy rates there are HUGE, They actually had to change the staff room into a nursery . Talked to my mom, it was the same when she was in school in Toronto. Same with my Dad who lived in the horse farm,
shadexl 1 year ago
@shadexl Ohhh Catholic school, you do understand that Catholiscism is a RELIGION that put the mphaziz on mankind & not God, im not really suprised to hear that.
OHMAGOODNITS 1 year ago
catholic school for me too!!understand... yup yup the school should bve allowed haha i mean yeah im still ok with god and i talk to him.. but the school by making them listen will turn them away from it... so. hahah
1mousiegirl 1 year ago
catholic school for me too!!
1mousiegirl 1 year ago
The true ultimate force in the world is "The Force" search your feelings, you know it to be true.
awesomelittlebox 1 year ago 27
@awesomelittlebox NO! THAT CANT BE! THATS IMPOSSIBLE!!
TenzaZangetsu13 1 year ago
@awesomelittlebox Chuck Norris
Your argument is invalid
Spagittified 1 year ago
Flame Wars; Episode one.
ScrewYouGumby 1 year ago
>_> Seriously, guys?
1337Vivian 1 year ago
@MrCandyManTime When the religious stop proselytizing their myths, I'll keep spreading facts. The personal experiences of scientists don't prove god anymore than a muslim's experiences with allah prove allah. Projecting your need to have someone to look up to upon me is pretty revealing of your inability to think for yourself. I don't need a magical sky daddy, thank you. You can believe all you like, that's your right, but never say it's factual and never say it applies to me.
LordSlag 1 year ago
I think if it isn't a private school then the school should be objective. If someone wants to hear that shit, go to a church. I mean they preach christianity then they should preach everything else(almost) Islam, Judism, Hinduism, Buddism .. and of COURSE atheism.. haha
swegirl09 1 year ago
It depends, if the prayers are meant to be religious and/or part of the school curriculum or part of some school tradition and therefore do not necessarily reflect the schools beliefs. If the latter is true than I would agree the students should just learn to deal with it, if its the former, however, than the school should cut it out.
philosophizer149 1 year ago
@LordSlag looking forward to your response and I hope you won't bash me too hard, and btw, I'm not religious :) just saying that it may be possible
dumbobaggins 1 year ago
@dumbobaggins Just because things aren't known doesn't verify that a/any god or gods exist. Just because something can't be falsified, or is even remotely possible but lacking evidence, aren't good reasons for believing in something, like leprechauns, for example. Further, which god? The christian god? Allah? Brahma? Zurvan? Odin? A "deist" god? Gods of specific religions: no, they don't exist. The deist one? Maybe, but with no proof, I don't believe, nor is it reasonable to believe.
LordSlag 1 year ago
@dumbobaggins now if there's smaller things, couldn't there be larger things too? Now we pretty much know the universe started with the big bang, but do we know what was before it? It could hypothetically be "God" starting his experiment. Now religion is just our ancestors attempt to explain the to them unexplainable. Maybe by chance they got it right, and it wouldn't be the first time that thats happened. Now would you argue that God is a impossibility? I personally say it is a improbability
dumbobaggins 1 year ago
@dumbobaggins first discovered,scientists thought that these were the smallest particles until electrons and protons and neutrons were discovered and proven. at that point they thought that was it but then some smart heads got together and came up with quarks who had to in theory exist and lo-and-behold they do. Now allot of smart heads have come together at cern to, among other things prove the existence of "the God particle" or the Higgs boson (continued)
dumbobaggins 1 year ago
@LordSlag I just wanted to ask if you have ever tried looking at "God" as sort of a scientist, some one who simply started an experiment and is watching over it and maybe changing certain parameters at times just to see what happens. I mean who's to say that our universe as we live it is actually infinite? It could in fact be a speck of dust in a much larger dust bunny. now i know I can't prove it, but consider this: when the existence of atoms was first discovered, (continued)
dumbobaggins 1 year ago
@LordSlag (continued) have now confirmed that the snake lost its legs through microevolution. There are many other things, and words of wisdom that can be found in the Bible, as there are in science. It is foolish to believe any view in its entirety is that of morons or fools.
soytatan 1 year ago
@soytatan I completely dismiss leprechauns, and so do you. Science would still have the Big Bang theory without your silly dogma because the evidence points to it objectively and another would have discovered it. Quote me chapter and verse from Isaiah or it doesn't exist. You have no evidence that god did anything, anywhere, much less making snakes lose their legs, where in the bible does it mention how whales lost their legs? Nowhere. Your god murders babies: Noah's Flood, 10th Plague.
LordSlag 1 year ago
@LordSlag To dismiss any belief entirely is very unwise. Without the christians we would not have 'The Big Bang Theory' as it was first brought to existence by the Catholic Church to prove to science that energy can be created. The bible has many valid points that support many of its teachings. In the book of Isaiah it states that the Earth is like a sphere that floats in space. In Genesis, the Bible says that God punished the snake and removed its legs as a punishment. In modern science we...
soytatan 1 year ago
Well prepare to be "attacked" again Lord Slag. I agree, evolution exists. However it is unbelievably rude to call somebody’s beliefs a fairy tale. The only reason for you to say stuff like that is to upset people, as it probably makes you feel better about yourself by putting Christians beneath you.
LinkMEP 1 year ago
@LinkMEP And a coward without the fortitude to address me directly, attacks. When religion stops being rude to me by threatening me with eternal torture for disagreeing with them, holding themselves superior to me because of their willful ignorance, telling me who I can or can't marry, when I can buy alcohol and where, or spewing their religious jizz on the money I'm forced to use, maybe THEN I'll be a little more polite. UNTIL THEN, shut the fuck up you ignorant hypocrite.
LordSlag 1 year ago 6
@LordSlag I am new to Youtube and did not mean to sneak my comment in there. For that I apologize. I, who am a Christian, do not believe in threatening people, do not believe in restricting free will, and feel that alcohol and religion are unrelated. Also there is no need to throw insults. In addition I get the feeling that Christians were rude and mean to you in the past. Please know that they do not represent Christianity as a whole. But by doing the same makes you no better.
LinkMEP 1 year ago
@LinkMEP I retract my statement regarding cowardice. There are many counties and one state in the US that restricts alcohol sales to various degrees and the motivations are religious. No, the bigoted, willfully ignorant and "rude" don't represent the entirety of xtians, merely the frighteningly vast majority.
LordSlag 1 year ago
@LordSlag The Irony is that most of the things you dislike religious people for is against most religions, Christians or otherwise. Some people call themselves and even believe themselves to be Christians but are actually something completely different. A side note: There are several denominations of Christians that believe in an absolute separation of Church and State.
LinkMEP 1 year ago
@LinkMEP It's not irony, it's a similarity, and I'm fully aware of it, thank you kindly. Christians in 'Merica who believe in the Separation of Church&State are the rare exception, not the rule. The vast majority of them are bigoted, willfully ignorant, uneducated, antiscience, religious elitists who will gladly destroy useful knowledge about the world that benefits humankind in order to prop up their bronze age myths. Trust me, I treat all stupid supernatural bunk with the exact same contempt.
LordSlag 1 year ago
@LordSlag Except of course that there are just as many Atheists who are bigoted, willfully ignorant, and uneducated. I’ll admit that there more religious people who are anti-science than Atheists.
LinkMEP 1 year ago
@LinkMEP No, you are wrong. Atheism is positively correlated with all the following in many different double blind, peer reviewed, large population studies: Intelligence, Education, and Liberalism. That you try to equate atheists with theists only demonstrates the bias you operate from.
LordSlag 1 year ago
@LordSlag I did a little research and found the studies you are referring too. Or rather I found brief quotes of them. The original studies in full were no where to be found on the world wide web. I was unable to find any of these studies on an unbiased website. The evidence for these studies existing seems lacking.
LinkMEP 1 year ago
LordSlag 1 year ago
@LordSlag Part 1. Ok, Atheists are usually smarter than religious people. However I have found, on a secular website, that there was a study done which found that religious people are usually nicer and more honest than atheists.
LinkMEP 1 year ago
@LordSlag Part 2. I believe there is balance in this world. Perhaps the Atheists are here to improve the world with their intelligence and religious people are here to bring kindness into the world. Regardless of whose right our two groups should come together and make the world a better place with our differences.
LinkMEP 1 year ago
@LinkMEP 1-Cite your source, or it doesn't exist.
2-Your beliefs are irrelevant and your speculation as to purpose makes the false assumption that there is an objective purpose to our existence, to which I disagree. Further, if religious people were nicer, they wouldn't be, say, preaching to africans about the evils of condom use during a full blown AIDS plague.
LordSlag 1 year ago
@LordSlag You didn't cite your sources so does that mean that they don't exist? It is dailymail.co.uk. I didn't say religious people were always nicer, I said they tend to be, as the case study said. Even if there isn't an objective purpose we, as people, can create our own purpose to make the world a better place.
LinkMEP 1 year ago
@LinkMEP The catholic church's position on birth control is WELL ESTABLISHED, and for you to demand a source for what they're position is and whether or not they're preaching it in africa is enormously dishonest of you as it is common knowledge. Dailymail is a news outlet and therefore is not a reliable source of unbiased data, further, you need be more specific so I can find this "research". I agree that we as humans can make a purpose to our existence, I engage in that daily.
LordSlag 1 year ago
@LordSlag I was referring to the sources of the case studies showing Atheists to be smarter. I never asked you for the sources of those, and I was merely calling you on the fact the you expected a source when you never gave me any. I hate to break it to you but a news outlet is still more reliable than the sites with the case studies showing Athiests to be smarter. dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1066784/Religious-people-helpful-honest-generous-say-scientists.html
LinkMEP 1 year ago
@LinkMEP Just as I predicted, your bigoted religious dishonesty has caused you to disregard 8 decades worth of large population, peer reviewed, double blind scientific research. Imagine my lack of shock. On the other hand, your ONE source from a news site that also currently has a study saying that humans are psychic, says that religiosity only played a part in volunteering if the participants were told that their help was unlikely to be called upon. Oops, you look pretty stupid now, huh.
LordSlag 1 year ago
@LordSlag How dare you! You call me a bigot! I have said nothing even remotely bigoted. I did not ignore the results, I just said if you believe in yours to believe in mine but apparently you only believe what suits you. What you said at the end is out of context, what that meant was is that more Atheists choose to sign up for things that they won’t be called on for, though I do admit that statement was unclear and easily misinterpreted.
LinkMEP 1 year ago
@LordSlag Part 2. I want a world where people of different beliefs can come together and make the world a better place. But you only want people who think like you. I remain polite and yet you insist on calling me names. I tell you this not to be mean but to help you realize these things about yourself so you can be a better person. You are a bigot and a xenophobe.
LinkMEP 1 year ago
@LinkMEP No, I have a mountain of evidence and you have only one unreliable article. This is fact, and your bias prevents you from seeing it. No, what I said was exactly what the article said and it's the religious who only sign up more if their help is unlikely to be called upon, it's called reading comprehension: Look it up. I want a world where everyone acknowledges reality instead of lying to themselves and others because they want to be immortal. You're willfully stupid.
LordSlag 1 year ago
@LordSlag Your mountain of evidence are a bunch of source-less paraphrases. Your bias prevents you from seeing it. I scored high on my reading comprehension on my accu-placer test for college (though I did score slightly low on writing and very low on the two math sections). Your last sentences in your last comment prove that you want everyone to think like you do. Wrong or not you should let people think what they want because this is a free country. What you suggest is fascism.
LinkMEP 1 year ago
@LinkMEP No, my mountain of evidence is a mountain of evidence and simply ignoring it doesn't make it go away. The last sentences in my previous comment show I want people to acknowledge facts and an accurate description of your education. People may BELIEVE what they want, just so long as they don't tout their superstitions as fact, which they do. What I suggest is nothing more than what I suggested:That people acknowledge reality. Your problem with that shows your willful stupidity.
LordSlag 1 year ago
@LordSlag Part 1. Your problem is being willfully mean. You want people to believe in fact, yet fact always changes. The world used the be flat. The sun used to revolve around The Earth. More recently Pluto was a planet. These were things that were known to be true but are now known to be false. You order people to be to be certain of certainties, but this is a world with out certainties.
LinkMEP 1 year ago
@LordSlag Sure there is no proof of any God, but who’s to say there won’t be one day? I not saying there is going to be, I am just saying in a world where nothing is certain you should let people believe what ever they want, no matter how ridiculous you feel it is. You could be 100% right about everything, but to make everyone else believe the same way as you is fascism.
LinkMEP 1 year ago
@LinkMEP Facts don't change. The sun never revolved around the earth, humanity was merely wrong. It is certain that the earth orbits the sun, and no discovery will ever change that. This exemplifies why you're wrong: You think collective belief DETERMINES reality, and it doesn't. I refuse to accept something as true because there MIGHT one day be evidence, to do so is absurd. Touting facts and making people look stupid for not accepting them isn't fascism, it's plainly stating what reality is.
LordSlag 1 year ago
@LordSlag I wasn't going to say anymore, but I have to clear something else. I was clearly talking about humanities perception of facts changing, not the facts themselves changing, please don't use take my words out of context to make me look stupid. Once again, have a nice life.
LinkMEP 1 year ago
@LinkMEP No, you clearly stated that facts change and that's why no one should believe them. First, that argument can be made about your dogma, and second, I don't have to twist your words to make you look stupid. You do a fine job all on your own. I don't spread hate, I spread facts and just because those facts disagree with you doesn't make me mean or a fascist, Mr. Beck, it makes me correct. My life is very productive, and for you to pretend to know otherwise is puerile and transparent.
LordSlag 1 year ago
@LordSlag You seem to handle yourself pretty well in a debate.
AfricaniAM 1 year ago
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LinkMEP 1 year ago
@AfricaniAM Thank you kindly, sir.
LordSlag 1 year ago
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@LordSlag Part 1. No, I clearly said that people's perceptions of the facts change. As this line clearly shows: "These were things that were known to be true but are now known to be false." My problem was not with you spreading facts it was with you calling anybody who didn't agree with you stupid. Even if they are stupid, it is mean to tell them so.
LinkMEP 1 year ago
@LordSlag Part 2. I saw a lector by an Atheist today and was fine with the things he said and he is against people attacking other people's beliefs like you do. I have made my stance on wanting us to stop this discussion peacefully very clear, but you keep on dragging me back in, which is very rude. Now, hopefully for the last time, I wish you a good life Lord Slag, goodbye.
LinkMEP 1 year ago
@LinkMEP I don't care what he's for or against. When people like you deny reality in order to prop up your laughable, dangerous, genocidal dogmas from the bronze age, I speak up, present the facts of the matter and take the willfully stupid to task upon them. If you want the conversation to stop, then leave, I can't force you to post, but your ignorance will not ring out unopposed by my knowledge, and me doing so doesn't make me "nonpeaceful". Your god murders babies: 10th Plague, Noah's Flood.
LordSlag 1 year ago
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LinkMEP 1 year ago
@LinkMEP You say its wrong to tell someone their belief is wrong, however What would you tell a member of the KKK if their belief was that all Black people had no right to live? That is their religion, do they have a right to say that even though none of it is based on fact? And if perhaps you believe that they have a right to say it but not undertake action for it because of laws. Then what about many stories that have appeared in the news about gays killing themselves because of being outed.
AfricaniAM 1 year ago
@AfricaniAM I don't like the KKK either. The KKK are anti-African American. I also do not like anti-gay people. My problem with Lord Slag is not with his atheism, but rather with his anti-religion views. I don't like people who define themselves as being against something. Why not be for something? Pro-God or Pro-Big Bang was a random event. I am fine with both of these.
LinkMEP 1 year ago
@LinkMEP I never meant to infer that you like the KKK or anti-gay groups, I was only trying to show that telling people their belief is wrong is like Christians that do missionaries. Both believe their purpose is for the greater good. And you say you hate people who are against something, but by joining something you ultimately are against something else. For example, Christians are against Satanism, therefore you are against something even though you are "for" something as well.
AfricaniAM 1 year ago
@AfricaniAM I knew you weren't inferring that, I was just reiterating that I didn’t like them so I could better explain why I did not like anti-religious people. You say Christians are also a group against something, Satanism. But that is similar to African Americans not liking the KKK. Satanism is a reaction to Christianity, there for Satanism was founded on the principles of not liking Christians, while Christians were not founded on such principles.
LinkMEP 1 year ago
@LinkMEP Just to clarify a few points; while KKK is based on the principle of white supremacy that doesn't go both ways, therefore not all blacks hate the KKK, and if I'm correct Christianity was founded because man was losing faith in God due to the devils temptations on Earth, therefore I think it makes sense to call Christianity the reaction while Satanism is the reaction to perhaps Jewish beliefs. Also a LOT of stories from the Bible have a LOT of similarities to B.C.E Gods
AfricaniAM 1 year ago
@AfricaniAM But I don't, and many others don't, actually hate Satanists. We hate Satan.
LinkMEP 1 year ago
@LinkMEP You said you did not like people who were against something, my fault on the misuse of your words.
AfricaniAM 1 year ago
@LinkMEP I didn't misunderstand you, I took you exactly at your word. Just because you're too ignorant to understand what a fact is, what evidence is, and what conclusions you can draw from them doesn't give you permission to speak ill of me to others. Keep my name out of your writings, bigot.
LordSlag 1 year ago
@LordSlag I did keep your name out of it and referred to you as "he". But I do see you point and I am sorry. I should have told you directly that you have repeatedly showed a lack of reading comprehension.
LinkMEP 1 year ago
@LordSlag I do know what a fact is. Don't call me a bigot as I am not one, it is you who do not like people with beliefs different from your own. I am friends with Christians, Jews, Pagans, Wiccans, Buddhists, and Agnostics. I also have friends who are of different color than myself and homosexuals. I even had romantic interest in a Buddhist. I have even tried to be friends with Atheists, but they couldn't accept me. How I can be a bigot is beyond me.
LinkMEP 1 year ago
@LinkMEP You are a bigot because you hold the position that I will be tortured forever after I die because I disagree with you. Perhaps I didn't make that clear, I trust it is now.
LordSlag 1 year ago
@LordSlag A common misconception. Not all Christian denominations believe that. Some do not even believe in hell. You make an assumption about me that isn't true.
LinkMEP 1 year ago
@LinkMEP So, if there's no hell, where did Hitler go, in your spiritual framework? Further, if words are to have any meaning at all, the word christian describes a particular group of people, large as they are, that hold to a certain set of tenets, hell being one of the OVERWHELMINGLY agreed upon ideas amongst them. If you don't believe in hell, you're not a christian, and your failure to communicate that to me until now is HUGELY dishonest. Now defend the 10th Plague: Your god murders babies.
LordSlag 1 year ago
@LordSlag Now your just being stupid calling the entire denomination of The Advent Christian Church as not being Christian. You are overwhelmingly ignorant. It is not dishonest, it didn't come up you stupid bigot. You murder people to, such hateful comments sometimes cause people to kill themselves. You are a murdering, bigoted fascist. I am blocking you, I don't want to associate my self with the next Hitler who wants all Christians, Jews and countless others to die any longer.
LinkMEP 1 year ago
@LinkMEP So, christian can mean anything, to anyone, depending on what sect you follow, even if you make up your own: got it. At least I'm not stupid enough to follow a religion made up by a guy who incorrectly predicted judgment day in 1843/1844. DERP! You're a lunatic if you think I'm responsible for what others do because of what I say/write. If that were true then you're guilty of the same. I don't want others dead, I want them to acknowledge reality and that doesn't make me a fascist.
LordSlag 1 year ago
@LordSlag
hey - stfu :]
Iceclick411 1 year ago
@Iceclick411 no u ;)~
LordSlag 1 year ago
@LinkMEP I missed these two responses from you. When xtianity was founded could be argued to be in the iron age, but the case is poor. So it would be okay for you to murder hindu babies because they'd go to heaven and to prevent them from going to hell because their parents would teach them the wrong religion? I love it. Continuing to call me a fascist because I demand moral account for the tenets of your silly faith only strengthens my position. Try one post at a time so I don't miss them.
LordSlag 1 year ago
@LordSlag You completely abanded the following sentence which puts the statement about going to heaven into perspective. Of course you don’t understand because of you low reading comprehension. Of course I don't beleive in killing babies. Your the one who brought that up. Advent Christians believe that his soul just dies, his soul would cease the exist. But this will not happen until The Second Coming. Until the Second Coming all Souls go into a state of sleep until The Second Coming.
LinkMEP 1 year ago
@LinkMEP You're the one who believes that your god murdered countless babies in the Flood, 10th Plague, and Soddom & Gomorrah. It's neither ambiguous nor taken out of context. Using your faith, I've roped you into defending infanticide. Hell, heaven, or not, murdering babies is wrong and not only does your god DO IT, he's PROUD of it! So if I don't believe in your god, my consciousness is forever destroyed, which is exactly what i believe happens anyway. So what's the difference for me?
LordSlag 1 year ago
@LordSlag Conclusion. I realize now that what you want from your life is to be mean. While I do not like this, this is your choice. If you want to spread hate, I don’t like or approve of it, but it is your choice. I tried to persuade you to a more productive life, but you are obviously set in your ways. Have a nice life.
LinkMEP 1 year ago
the toll people, that bothers the shit out of me. i used to live in jersey
wutangc5 1 year ago
NAFTA: 'Notha Afternoon oF Tappin' that Ass. *nods*
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Religion is like a penis. It is fine to have one and it is fine to be proud of it. But please don't whip it out in public and PLEASE don't shove it down my kid's throat.
AlexTheMango 1 year ago 2
religious people are just fucking dumb
madshakon123 1 year ago
Dumbfucking Christians should keep there shit to themselves, wasn't it illegal to force religion on to kids? dumbasses should hang on a cross and wait for rapture or somthing
manta123 1 year ago
QOTD: I don't think its necessary for schools to have morning prayers. Many of the kids in schools may not be Christians. The parents should have a conference with the school board about these things before its a for sure thing. I don't put myself in an organized religion because it's pointless and people who are in O. religions end up sinning. I don't want that burden. I'd rather repeat the pledge of allegiance than pray.
WentMillerGal15 1 year ago
At my high school, the national anthem is played every morning. But my first period class is science, so instead of turning around to face the flag like we're supposed to, we really just turn around so we can watch the fish in the tank next to it for about a minute and a half.
XxFrozenRose 1 year ago
stay of the weed phil moon popsicles really lol
ync8 1 year ago
I agree with Phil but it doesnt matter. It's a violation of the law and cannot happen. The first amendment states that the government cannot establish a state religion. Prayer in a school, a government building, is a violation of the first amendment and cannot be allowed. However, if this was a private school, they can do whatever they want. Just stating the law.
slowboygofast 1 year ago
Lordslag, your intellectual persona is missing a few lessons in language arts.
If you're going to play high and mighty intellectual overlord, you must have perfect use of the language you're speaking. Everyone on the Internet knows this.
AnomalyEroteme 1 year ago
@AnomalyEroteme Okaaz, Ei nao haz perfict speleeng nd sintax iz flawliss.
LordSlag 1 year ago 2
I believe prayin/tokin to god is a very personal & individualistic thing. the last thing god wants is for us to b another flock of mindless angels that uses the same old words to tok to him. he gave us freewill so that he could get sum creativity & entertainment outta it :D
quintenwong 1 year ago
@darealdjnutz
1. you can't have organised prayers in school.
2.stop sucking Phils cock.
MrIStillDontCare 1 year ago
ok, everyone can believe what they want, if u doint believe in god so be it! if u do than their is still no reson to shove it down everyones throat (sorry for the bluntness) People are allowed to believe what they want, and if they dont believe the same thing as u, so be it!!!! im cathlolic, but u dont see me sayin "Believe in god or u go to hell!!!"! i belive that everyone can think wut they want! and i also believe that god loves EVERYONE!! no matter what!
ryboy344 1 year ago
well kids dnt listen to the pa system anyways so idk y they getting so hyped bout it
killerdx456 1 year ago
meh i still love clinton
fluffychan6000 1 year ago
WTF??? toll booth workers make 320 000 a year??? fuck going to university!
koolguy728 1 year ago
fuck the bible, its just an over promoted book someone wrote, like many other millions of books that have been written
macolillo 1 year ago
try turning zebra on dude. So over-exposed.
cruiser514sb 1 year ago
@spark ;)
SwashyGirl 1 year ago
Fuck prayer and what if my fingers are dirty and I don't have some lovely Purell by my side or a sink with some anti-bacterial soap?! I'm not risking brain eating ear worms just so I don't have to hear fruity obedient little low self esteem having Jesus freaks shoot their religious loads all over the classroom
MindstormRecs 1 year ago
I agree with Phil just like in a public school you're not forced to say the pledge of allegiance you don't HAVE to listen to the prayer
Cheifslappuho12 1 year ago
QOTD: So long as I can be one of those lazy, money-making toll-boothers...Fuck it, let them have their change!!!
emraldlover12 1 year ago
i say let em, its shoving religion down my throat did me good, it turned me atheist.
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wow, days later lord slag is still fighting with more and diffrent people lol people over the internet need to chill....
sige16 1 year ago
@sige16 The voice of ignorance, will not ring out unopposed by mine, including yours. I attract the willfully stupid because they detest anyone who dares puncture their bubble of intentional stupidity, all they need do is acknowledge reality.
LordSlag 1 year ago 4
@LordSlag ....one more attacking me was my comment ignorent? no you are fighting with every one, and im not gunna get into it again with you point less youtube fights help no one..and acknowladge reality you say over and over im not convinced you know what is best for every one but you seem to be. but forget it im not getting draw into another fight with you i hate cp fight every one acts like a know it all...so go ahead comment back with something u feel should offened me i will not reply :)
sige16 1 year ago
@sige16 I never said I know what's best for everyone, little boy, stop putting words in my mouth. I'm not trying to offend you, so, if you're offended, I don't know why. I refuse to let your ignorance go unopposed, especially when you combine it with an attack against me. I don't need to "chill", which is just your euphemism for being silent while others encourage willful ignorance. Don't want me criticizing you? Then acknowledge the evidence of reality or be silent. Simple.
LordSlag 1 year ago 2
@elementality4me I said nothing about "no religion". Kids should learn about, and be exposed to religion, however, their choice in religion or lack of it should not be handled by the school at all. They should ask their parents, or do the rare but desirable alternative and think about it for themselves. Also, closing with a blind insult and overuse of periods makes you seem stupid. Have a nice day. =^)
ButtOnFire20 1 year ago
no they shouldn't be stuffing religion down the throats of my generation and some parents would get pissed........... so ya
Peacecat411 1 year ago
@lordslagI never changed my opinion you twisted it from the start and I ain't vying about it I'm pointing out what a jerk and closed minded person you are get over yourself.
SwashyGirl 1 year ago
@SwashyGirl i'll make this simple for you. the "theory of god" isn't science it's religion so it shouldn't be taught in a science class. facts need to be taught in science not beliefs.
ironchariot131138 1 year ago
@SwashyGirl You've reversed your position on everything, your comments show it. Words have meaning and what you started with is exactly as I've quoted you below. Acknowledge reality, idiot.
LordSlag 1 year ago 3
if we were to go from a "moon base" to mars thats like your house being the earth, the moon being your backyard and mars travelling from one side of the earth to the other lol
BringTehRioT 1 year ago
If the school isn't a Christian school, then they should stfu. Simple.
selty 1 year ago
i go to a catholic school and they do prayer or whatever before school, before lunch, after school and (depending on the teacher) pray before class begins. We are not forced to participate, many times i don't, so i think its okay for a school to have prayer in school( as long as it is private). sxephil is right, words are just words and you don't have to believe them and it definitely does not make them right.
orangesodapop101 1 year ago
@sparkster it's useless with lordslag. He called me a bitch and a cunt. Because I thought if you teach evolution as a theory in classes then teach the theory of god/gods and let kids decide. Yeah he is a jerk who downs people who have opposite ideas or beliefs. It is no way to treat others by any means and he is a waste of time.
SwashyGirl 1 year ago
@SwashyGirl Says the girl who completely reversed her position on everything. Hmm...I should probably QFT what you said there too, or maybe let you erase what you said so I can point out your dishonesty later. In any case, you supported willful ignorance, I called you on it and if the best retort you can come up with is that I used bad words, then your position is just as weak as I suspect. "Whaa!! He called me names! BOOHOO!!"
LordSlag 1 year ago 13
@SwashyGirl That's what I thought too. I thought that view would be universal - it reflects the views of both sides accurately and you can come up with an informed decision. People who refuse to acknowledge the views of others when others acknowledge theirs in a way are a mere product of the flawed education system that they're arguing about themselves... they're just the clever version of that, making the facts fit their ideas not the other way around. It really makes me sad.
SparksterMk1 1 year ago
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GAAVproductions 1 year ago
in my family if we dont want to listen to something we can fold our ears in as we have very little cartlige in our ears
lcmpdclan 1 year ago
Am I the only one who loves reading "intellectual" discussions about religion on good ol' Youtube?
coooliox27 1 year ago
That donut doesn't love Obama
KerbyKing2 1 year ago
I'm Christian but I believe in evolution. "How is this possible?" you ask. Well my little retard, let me explain.
God is all-powerful, all-knowing, blahblahblah. So why would he simply go "BAM" and create stuff? Wouldn't he be a bit more creative and artful? Plus, he's immortal, so he has all the time he wants. Why would the "seven days" be a week on Earth AND in the Gregorian calendar? Considering he started with nothing, couldn't a "day" be any amount of time? and couldn't they vary in length?
potatoguyman 1 year ago
@potatoguyman You are probably my favorite person on youtube right now for THINKING, keep doing that, not enough people do. <3
SlashyLeaf 1 year ago
To the literal Christians:
1. The Bible has been translated and retranslated and untranslated and then translated some more, the wording isn't the same as it was in its original Hebrew.
2. The Bible is OLDER THAN COPY AND PASTE meaning people had to rewrite it by hand. Mistakes get made, rewriters get creative or start paraphrasing, it's not a perfect process.
3. METAPHORS EXIST YOU RETARD. Don't take everything word for word.
I'm a Christian but I think for myself. You should try it sometime.
potatoguyman 1 year ago 36
@potatoguyman agree about the metaphors a bit rude though. You do realise that translation is will improve the Bible it is not one text that is "translated and retranslated and untranslated and then translated some more". What they translate is the oldest, most reliable copy so that very little if anything will get lost. Those who first made copies, I am sure were very very careful to be accurate as they would have understood the importance of the script. The Bible today is a very accurate copy
jpboyrox 1 year ago
@jpboyrox idk were u get ur facts bro potatodude has a point :/
GuidesFreak 1 year ago
@GuidesFreak I didn't reference any facts just common sense really. If you look at the hundreds of translations to english of the Bible, you see they all match up. If there were any mistranslations (and I'm sure there have been in a few copies) people would immediately pick up on it. The Bible is read every day by millions of people. Other translations to peculiar languages are created and these are made from English generally so they will be less reliable.
jpboyrox 1 year ago
@potatoguyman
The catholic church has the most doumentation compared to any other religion. I think for myself, but to question the genuinity of the Bible itself is a bit too much. Believe what you want, but dont go on pointing to a religious book as documented as the bible saying it is messed up, when was written in consent of most of the christian denominations, compared to the way books of other religions were written).
romulusxii 1 year ago
@potatoguyman
It was allowed to translate it so all followers can read it in their own language. In the past it was mainly in Latin, Greek and coptic, but not anymore. Religions like islam force their language on all followers, most of whom dont even understand arabic.
If you have a problem understanding the bible & paraphrasing, ask a priest or a professional. Any book for that matter is never easy to understand fully, even fucking novels for some dimwits, so let alone a 2000 year old book.
romulusxii 1 year ago
@potatoguyman I'm not trying to start something but i thought the bible was first written in Emeric (idk how to spell it). I'm not christian but I'm just saying
SpaceSpartanZ 1 year ago
I love how you spelled "fuck" wrong, in the picture of the space shuttle at 2:29. Ha ha.
streetkicker21 1 year ago
I think it would be hilarious if the kids plugged their ears and went "LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALA"
Then the school people would go "Oh, wait a second, we're retarded."
I'm a Christian, but I really don't like it when some Christians (I know a few) try to jam Christianity down non-Christian throats. Being annoying will definitely NOT make someone think your religion is correct.
potatoguyman 1 year ago
The kids dont have to participate in the prayer, so i dont see a problem with it.
couchpotatoinc 1 year ago
Who..... Gives..... A..... FUCK?
Sorry, your all fucking ridiculous. Live and learn. Get over such a stupid fucking subject.
TheXyren 1 year ago