Yeah, alliance française tries to defines 'proper French words' for the English words like 'email' that enter the French language. No one uses them. lol
I'm impressed, your material reminds me a lot of fringeelements' (which is a good thing) back when he was more anti-state and econ-focused as opposed to race-oriented. I wish he'd go back to observations of econ and the state.
How did you find me? And I think you should enable channel comments.
@DoctorCapitalist He's not really a racist - people need to get that. He's just an IQ hereditarian. I do agree that his econ stuff is more important (and slightly more interesting) than his race/IQ stuff.
@niriop How so? Language (as used here) is the sum of all human communication (speech, writing, signing, whatever). Society, similarly, is the sum of all human interaction (gift, exchange, love, etc). Of course, the former is included in the latter, as human social behaviour necessarily involves communication. Just as the ways people's intentions and behaviours emerge, so do the ways they communicate them.
@graaaaaagh Still thinking metaphorical fallacy; I blame FE's influence.
I'm working on the conception of the state as a cultural construct, something that at the moment is integral to all our thinking about society, even when anarchists are doing it, that we have the potentiality to "evolve" out of.
@niriop The state is 'integral to all our thinking about society' in much the same way slavery used to be.
And I don't see how this comparison of language and social order is fallacious. They're both systems, they both arise from interaction, and they're both constantly evolving, developing new rules and structures. Attempting to plan a society's basic institutions fails just as hard as attempting to plan society's language; governments constantly break their own rules (constitutions).
@graaaaaagh Not exactly; slavery was a practice, the state is something far more ingrained and complex. The comparison doesn't match up. Language is something natural and wired into the brain; the state is artificial, but can be considered as something memetic and "infecting" human culture; it can't be treated, but rather has to be "ridden out" like a cold; humans have to change gradually to get over it.
As to FE, I was more thinking about the building of an argument on a questionable metaphor.
@niriop My comparison was not between the 'natural' occurence of language and the 'artificial' state - I was considering the state as a force multiplier that corrupts what would be an plain-to-see parallel between the way memes develop and spread through society and the way new phonemes and morphemes and syntactical structures do in language. There's no exact linguistic analogy to a state, so of course the comparison ends there - hence the whole 'grammar police' bit.
@niriop As for slavery and the state, I just meant that as one social structure that was seen as basic and unquestionable was abolished, so can another one. But yes, once you get into how they work(ed) and the role they play(ed), then they're not so easy to compare.
And I agree with you that elimination of the state will be gradual - but it won't take forever. I'd like to know, what specifically you think has to happen - do you think it's got a lot to do with childrearing, as Molyneux says?
@graaaaaagh Partly yes, but there's just so much to take into account that Molyneux soils himself when he tries to pin society's problems almost entirely on people being told to go to their rooms when they were six (I'm exaggerating for comedic effect, but thats the jist of it).
I think you also need to stop talking about the "elimination of the state", and more about the evolution of human society as a whole; tell me, have you read much Hegel?
@niriop I've always found Hegel pretty obscure. I've read a lot more about him, and a lot more from people he's influenced, than from Hegel himself.
And I know that getting rid of the state isn't really the underlying issue; the evolution of human society past arbitrary authority, egalitarianism, and democracy is, I'd say, of central importance. False notions of "expertise", "equality", and "fairness" are what I'm really starting to look into, and what I want to make more videos about.
There's one phrase being used in America that has seriously pissed me off in the last year or so. "I COULD CARE LESS!". Oh come on. The proper phrase / expression / statement is "I couldn't care less!". Anyone who thinks about the meaning of the words that they say knows what the right way to say it is! So why is it a popular 'turn of phrase' when it's clearly wrong? (!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
@McPrfctday Even though it sounds stupid, people are still understood when they say it, due to context, and so its use spreads - it's almost an idiom.
A similar thing happens in French, in fact: the phrase "Fais gaffe" is very common, and it literally means "make mistake". But when you tell someone "Fais gaffe", it actually means the opposite - "be careful" or "don't mess up".
Yeah, alliance française tries to defines 'proper French words' for the English words like 'email' that enter the French language. No one uses them. lol
Esoparagon 3 months ago
This is great. You know exactly what you are talking about with language and it's kind of hard to get across to most people. lol
Esoparagon 3 months ago
@Esoparagon Thanks man. Yeah, people tend to get so caught up in what's 'correct'.
graaaaaagh 3 months ago
I'm impressed, your material reminds me a lot of fringeelements' (which is a good thing) back when he was more anti-state and econ-focused as opposed to race-oriented. I wish he'd go back to observations of econ and the state.
How did you find me? And I think you should enable channel comments.
fountainherz 3 months ago 4
@fountainherz I think he should do both in my opinion. But oh well, can't both get what we want. :(
sticksquash 3 months ago
@fountainherz Yeah I like Fringeelements but his racism makes me cringe.
DoctorCapitalist 3 months ago
@DoctorCapitalist He's not really a racist - people need to get that. He's just an IQ hereditarian. I do agree that his econ stuff is more important (and slightly more interesting) than his race/IQ stuff.
graaaaaagh 3 months ago
I'm really seeing this as an apples and oranges comparison
niriop 3 months ago
@niriop How so? Language (as used here) is the sum of all human communication (speech, writing, signing, whatever). Society, similarly, is the sum of all human interaction (gift, exchange, love, etc). Of course, the former is included in the latter, as human social behaviour necessarily involves communication. Just as the ways people's intentions and behaviours emerge, so do the ways they communicate them.
graaaaaagh 3 months ago
@graaaaaagh Still thinking metaphorical fallacy; I blame FE's influence.
I'm working on the conception of the state as a cultural construct, something that at the moment is integral to all our thinking about society, even when anarchists are doing it, that we have the potentiality to "evolve" out of.
niriop 3 months ago
@niriop The state is 'integral to all our thinking about society' in much the same way slavery used to be.
And I don't see how this comparison of language and social order is fallacious. They're both systems, they both arise from interaction, and they're both constantly evolving, developing new rules and structures. Attempting to plan a society's basic institutions fails just as hard as attempting to plan society's language; governments constantly break their own rules (constitutions).
graaaaaagh 3 months ago
@niriop As well, I was thinking about spontaneous order well before FE.
graaaaaagh 3 months ago
@graaaaaagh Not exactly; slavery was a practice, the state is something far more ingrained and complex. The comparison doesn't match up. Language is something natural and wired into the brain; the state is artificial, but can be considered as something memetic and "infecting" human culture; it can't be treated, but rather has to be "ridden out" like a cold; humans have to change gradually to get over it.
As to FE, I was more thinking about the building of an argument on a questionable metaphor.
niriop 3 months ago
@niriop My comparison was not between the 'natural' occurence of language and the 'artificial' state - I was considering the state as a force multiplier that corrupts what would be an plain-to-see parallel between the way memes develop and spread through society and the way new phonemes and morphemes and syntactical structures do in language. There's no exact linguistic analogy to a state, so of course the comparison ends there - hence the whole 'grammar police' bit.
graaaaaagh 3 months ago
@niriop As for slavery and the state, I just meant that as one social structure that was seen as basic and unquestionable was abolished, so can another one. But yes, once you get into how they work(ed) and the role they play(ed), then they're not so easy to compare.
And I agree with you that elimination of the state will be gradual - but it won't take forever. I'd like to know, what specifically you think has to happen - do you think it's got a lot to do with childrearing, as Molyneux says?
graaaaaagh 3 months ago
@graaaaaagh Partly yes, but there's just so much to take into account that Molyneux soils himself when he tries to pin society's problems almost entirely on people being told to go to their rooms when they were six (I'm exaggerating for comedic effect, but thats the jist of it).
I think you also need to stop talking about the "elimination of the state", and more about the evolution of human society as a whole; tell me, have you read much Hegel?
niriop 3 months ago
@niriop I've always found Hegel pretty obscure. I've read a lot more about him, and a lot more from people he's influenced, than from Hegel himself.
And I know that getting rid of the state isn't really the underlying issue; the evolution of human society past arbitrary authority, egalitarianism, and democracy is, I'd say, of central importance. False notions of "expertise", "equality", and "fairness" are what I'm really starting to look into, and what I want to make more videos about.
graaaaaagh 3 months ago
There's one phrase being used in America that has seriously pissed me off in the last year or so. "I COULD CARE LESS!". Oh come on. The proper phrase / expression / statement is "I couldn't care less!". Anyone who thinks about the meaning of the words that they say knows what the right way to say it is! So why is it a popular 'turn of phrase' when it's clearly wrong? (!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
McPrfctday 3 months ago
@McPrfctday Even though it sounds stupid, people are still understood when they say it, due to context, and so its use spreads - it's almost an idiom.
A similar thing happens in French, in fact: the phrase "Fais gaffe" is very common, and it literally means "make mistake". But when you tell someone "Fais gaffe", it actually means the opposite - "be careful" or "don't mess up".
graaaaaagh 3 months ago 2
evolution
chitchcott 3 months ago
@chitchcott REVOLUTION!
tomilia 3 months ago