I doubt that almost every male student had the oppurtunity to turn pages. He must be really good in terms of knowing the piece and have quite an experience. At this level you do not just bring anyone who might be a bit shy and freeze on stage, even in the rehearsals.
Richter's cross-over work from 2:45-3:01 blows my mind. I think it's partly because he has a steelworker's hands (& body) and it's just beautifully incongruous to see him make them do that.
Brahms is unique, in his quintet he can have five virtuosi and they do well. If the same five do something by Bach they tend to step on each other. This is an example of a duet written by a virtuoso for virtuosi. What a pair!
idon't want to forget saying that i also LOVE this particular performance by Oistrakh and Richter. i mean how much better can it REALLY get above great legends like them playing together?
has anyone also heard the recording of the A major as well as this one - by Artur Rubinstein and Henryk Szerying?
it is wonderful. so elegant, dramatic and brilliant , Lyrical and always warm.
I like this one by Richter and Oistrakh - although I probably feel more satisfied each listening with the Rubinstein/Szerying version. .,..which somehow has a sense of spontaneity that few can capture.
tedly10027-I had the LP'S of their Beethoven Spring and Kreutzer sonatas with the 8th thrown in as a filler. The 8th is also lovely,and the 5th and 9th (spring and Kreuzer) are IMHO the best ever recorded. Now I must get the Brahms. You are quite right- the others do not have this warmth. Bravo! Bravo!
Hi Paulostroff99. Of course that's just my personal preference or maybe because I grew UP with that Rubinstein/Szerying and so it basically formed my foundation of what I would prefer as "chamber music" playing. it's just that i have since not just listened to so many versions over the years but also played them so often. and STILL - after all the years - I can't quite find that sense of "completeness" with the others - magnificent as they are, of course.
I'm not generalizing that their chamber music together is automatically better with other composers...but the brahms in particular are just so indelible to me. BIG playing, but always lyrical, refined and elegant, brilliant, everything is there I COULD want, i think, and yet as IF they , especially Rubinstein are just "making it up" as they go along....as if every nuance is an opening to a new experience of feeling or vision...i always had that sense from them.
tedly10027-Rubinstein's conception of performing was to make music pleasurable far more so than to play it perfectly in a technical sense. He was not the most skilled of the greats,but certainly one of the most musically gifted. He defined music in just such a manner.A machine could be programmed to play perfectly,but not to think nor have a heart.
tedly10027-I could not agree with you any stronger. They too are great and I include in this august company greats like Cortot/Thibaud/Casals,and the incomparable Feuermann-who Heifetz called the greatest cellist ever. His Dvorak is not to b believed,and I hope that you either have or have heard it.
why do you violinsts always have to compare and rate who is the best and 2nd best etc. all the gret violinists were great especially because they were different. So you're actually just comparing your taste! I think that music at this level and competition are contradictory terms.
yeah, it really is too bad that such great music has to be subject to such compare-and-rate bullshit. Some of these people put their lives into the work but if it's not the BEST (completely subjuctive) then they have to tell everyone so.
It's fine to have preferences but it's not fine to say one music is better than another.
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And what about Michael Rabin? The best violin player in all HISTORY. Listen his Paganini's moto perpetuo or Rondo Capriccioso by Saint Saens.... NOBODY BETTER
At least for me, Oistrakh is the greatest violinist of all time. I will, however, concede that his lush romantic tone does not work well for Mozart. But for the 19th and 20th centuries he is, IMHO, unmatched.
When you pair him with Richter, or, in his early days, with Lev Oborin or Oborin and Knushevitsky, that is sheer magic.
paul. To my mind Milstein is there with the greats, but not Perlman (sorry). However, Perlman can definitely play the fiddle better than me, that's for sure. :)
swanningaround-Have you ever heard or heard of Josef Hassid. Kreisler sai that every hundred years there appears one such as Heifetz,but only every two hundred years one such as Hassid. There is another male violinist who I believe is only 22,and a phenom.His name eludes me,but I shall look it up in my favourites. He does a superb Tchaikovsky,and is the fastest of anyone on the fast movement.
Let us just be grateful that we have this marvelous performance to treasure time and again, and stop this pointless ranking of performers as if it were some kind of Olympic figure skating competition.
I dare anyone to present objective data that could be used to scientifically rank any genre of musical performer.
O please. Rubbishing Anne Sophie Mutter and saying that Hilary Hahn is better than Jascha Heifetz! Oistrakh and Heifetz are the best ever. Don't even mention Hahn in this company. Ignore the marketing talk and the fact that she is an American, and listen! Anne Sophie Mutter is also way way out above Hilary.
I heard Mutter version with Alexis Weissenberg. Forgive me, I know that she's considered one of the greatest but I really hated her vibrato in those Brahms's sonatas... It's HORRIBLE!
Oistrakh will never and should never be compared with anyone. His effortless sound production, sound quality and the acuracy of his intonation is almost God like..... All students should listen to Oistrakh.
Mutter is a great violinist, but she's not the one to be compared to Oistrakh. If anyone, it should Be Hilary Hahn or Vengerov, and I don't believe either of them are anywhere near his level of playing
The younger Mutter was a much better violinist before she started singing opera (mezzo soprano). That has taken up too much of her violin practice time.
Actually, the chain smoking, motorcycle moll (Nadja Salerno-Sonnenberg) has, IMHO, the greatest raw talent of anyone still active. Her performances on an EMI CD with (1) Mendelssohn's Violin Concerto, Saint-Saen's Havanaise and Introduction and Rondo capriccioso, and Massenet's "Meditation from "Thais"". This is a must for anybody.
I actually heard Sonnenberg's live performance of the Mendelssohn's concerto, and I was greatly impressed with the sound, though her stage presence was horrible. She kept retuning in the middle of the piece and glaring at the audience. Lol, she yelled at some guy that came in late. But I guess that's what makes her... her.
Anyway, I personally prefer Vengerov and Vadim Repin, but I suppose it's a matter of opinion. I don't believe any of them could be compared to Oistrakh.
I really don't think oistrakh was the greatest violinist of the recording era at all. In fact i'm not even sure if he makes my top 10. I don't really understand all the hysteria about all of the dead violinists being so much better than those of today. If I were to rank violinists, I would cirtainly put Milstein, Mutter, Ivry Gitlis, gil shaham, and sonnenberg ahead of Oistrakh. However overall its a matter of opinion. They each have their special qualities.
I don't hate oistrakh at all. I think he was an exceptional player. All I'm saying is that for this particular piece I think Mutter's recording brought more of the emotion out of brahms's music. It's not a question of doctoring for technical perfection which oistrakh and mutter both achieve. It's about the music which, in my opinion, Mutter brings out more.
Mutter's recordings are patched and doctored obscene amounts... She is living in a much more advanced age when microphones are better and there is technology that can fix every single intonation mistake... Back in oistrakh's day, there wasn't such doctoring...
Vengerov is a bit too much full of himself. I find his constant posturing too much in a video. But video or CD, I lean towards Repin as the superior of the two. Fortunately, I have never seen Nadia perform and probably wouldn't bother if I had the opportunity. Where do you rate Joshua Bell?
I can definitely see the criticism of Vengerov, though having seen his perform live, I believe his sound alone, the joy and energy it seems to carry, really set him apart. Still a lot of people have a problem with his movement.
I don't think Bell could be compared, now or any time soon to any of the violinists we mentioned.
I just listened to this and then Mutter's recording back to back, and i really do prefer mutter. She just really evokes all the passion of brahms's music. As for bell, I like his tone and phrasing, but he has no power behind his sound on the big climaxes when it really counts.
This was taped with the crappy microphones of the 1960s, before Mutter was born. Even Mutter admits that her original goal of surpassing Oistrakh was a dream that came close to being fulfilled. As to the others perhaps you should do a little research into the opinions of his fellow musicians and the violinist who failed to approach his level. Of course Sonnenburg would never admit that, but she got to perform in the stereo era.
This was taped with the crappy microphones of the 1960s, before Mutter was born. Even Mutter admits that her original goal of surpassing Oistrakh was a dream that came close to being fulfilled. As to the others perhaps you should do a little research into the opinions of his fellow musicians and the violinist who failed to approach his level. Of course Sonnenburg would never admit that, but she got to perform in the stereo era.
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Much that I love Oistrakh, I got to say that Gil Shaham is getting dangerously close to Oistrakh's level, and Hilary Hahn tops Heifetz(!) I haven't listened to Vengerov enough to make a judgement.
lol i'm getting a huge kick out of watching the snowflakes in the vid
thanks yt
moonyyummy 1 month ago
I doubt that almost every male student had the oppurtunity to turn pages. He must be really good in terms of knowing the piece and have quite an experience. At this level you do not just bring anyone who might be a bit shy and freeze on stage, even in the rehearsals.
gkollias14 1 month ago
I don't want to turn any pages - just listen.
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rkotcher 7 months ago
god bless for the fact that the best pianist and violinist lived in the same time !
BlazeKenny 9 months ago
What a wonderful rendition of the amazing piece. Great interaction between these legends. They always seem to know how to put int the emotion.
1999hercule1999 9 months ago
This is soooo interesing played!!!
christophleipzig 11 months ago
medusello pues Zubin Mehta es un musico fabuloso y el, a su vez , heredera el instruymento a otro maestro joven....
bonsema1 1 year ago
It's David! what do you expect... hahaha
TempoFurioso 1 year ago
Too much greatness in one video!
jemp31 1 year ago 4
there's something so solid about their playing.
leopianotuner 1 year ago
@leopianotuner It's because they've been Russian for decades in this video.
TwelfthRoot2 9 months ago
Awesome! TY.
paulostroff99 1 year ago
Il violino di Oistrakh è nelle mani di Zubin Metha....
medusello 1 year ago
Oh God... another BRAHMMY!
ReturnOfTheStienway 1 year ago
Żłe ustawienie kamery moim zdaniem. Nie widać Obojga Muzyków
justap20 1 year ago
He looks like Govbachov play piano !! ^ ^
tuyentube 1 year ago
BRAVO
leoncioviolin 1 year ago
bravo
leoncioviolin 1 year ago
Yes!
markoparko 1 year ago
yeh to get these two musicians together is mind blowing. The violin here is the force but I would have loved to tun th pages for Richter
mradipatti 1 year ago
They are a gift to this world.
guanacadecorazon12 1 year ago
wow, that Oistrakh tone... devastatingly beautiful.
andycchu 1 year ago
marvelous! what violin did David Oistrakh play?
davepipe 2 years ago
it's impossible better than this
gimichi 2 years ago
richter's pianissimo brings chills down my spine!
brozors 2 years ago
I want to be the guy that turns the pages. What a sweet job.
philnoll 2 years ago 20
@philnoll Almost every male student had the oportunity to turn pages for Him. Even my piano teacher but sadly he chikened out; now he regrets :)
nataniel1215 2 months ago
@nataniel1215 :) so much pressure
philnoll 2 months ago
@philnoll That's what he said... Professor?! :]
nataniel1215 2 months ago
Richter's cross-over work from 2:45-3:01 blows my mind. I think it's partly because he has a steelworker's hands (& body) and it's just beautifully incongruous to see him make them do that.
MikeDrewYT 2 years ago
very serious
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Rephrat 2 years ago
???
enricofloris 2 years ago
Brahms is unique, in his quintet he can have five virtuosi and they do well. If the same five do something by Bach they tend to step on each other. This is an example of a duet written by a virtuoso for virtuosi. What a pair!
petie32 2 years ago 3
idon't want to forget saying that i also LOVE this particular performance by Oistrakh and Richter. i mean how much better can it REALLY get above great legends like them playing together?
tedly10027 2 years ago 5
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vstasov 2 years ago
In what way is Heifetz outstanding in chamber repertoire!?
BeneBon 2 years ago 2
has anyone also heard the recording of the A major as well as this one - by Artur Rubinstein and Henryk Szerying?
it is wonderful. so elegant, dramatic and brilliant , Lyrical and always warm.
I like this one by Richter and Oistrakh - although I probably feel more satisfied each listening with the Rubinstein/Szerying version. .,..which somehow has a sense of spontaneity that few can capture.
tedly10027 2 years ago 2
tedly10027-I had the LP'S of their Beethoven Spring and Kreutzer sonatas with the 8th thrown in as a filler. The 8th is also lovely,and the 5th and 9th (spring and Kreuzer) are IMHO the best ever recorded. Now I must get the Brahms. You are quite right- the others do not have this warmth. Bravo! Bravo!
paulostroff99 2 years ago
Hi Paulostroff99. Of course that's just my personal preference or maybe because I grew UP with that Rubinstein/Szerying and so it basically formed my foundation of what I would prefer as "chamber music" playing. it's just that i have since not just listened to so many versions over the years but also played them so often. and STILL - after all the years - I can't quite find that sense of "completeness" with the others - magnificent as they are, of course.
tedly10027 2 years ago
I'm not generalizing that their chamber music together is automatically better with other composers...but the brahms in particular are just so indelible to me. BIG playing, but always lyrical, refined and elegant, brilliant, everything is there I COULD want, i think, and yet as IF they , especially Rubinstein are just "making it up" as they go along....as if every nuance is an opening to a new experience of feeling or vision...i always had that sense from them.
tedly10027 2 years ago
tedly10027-Rubinstein's conception of performing was to make music pleasurable far more so than to play it perfectly in a technical sense. He was not the most skilled of the greats,but certainly one of the most musically gifted. He defined music in just such a manner.A machine could be programmed to play perfectly,but not to think nor have a heart.
paulostroff99 2 years ago
tedly10027-I could not agree with you any stronger. They too are great and I include in this august company greats like Cortot/Thibaud/Casals,and the incomparable Feuermann-who Heifetz called the greatest cellist ever. His Dvorak is not to b believed,and I hope that you either have or have heard it.
paulostroff99 2 years ago
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vstasov 2 years ago
Richter's magnificent
eeconcertoxc 2 years ago 3
I remember seeing this on TV in 1970. Oh, how I wish I could have taken a different course of life back in my free young days.
freeqwerqwer 2 years ago
@freeqwerqwer Ha ha, I think the vast majority of the world's population asks him/herself the same question!
99hoolio 2 years ago
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Cavaradossi1981 2 years ago
As Richter said about him playing Brahms with Oistrakh something like: "Very not bad" :)
IVANKOVALE 2 years ago 4
Richter is.... No words... Too much. C' est parfait.
Miguelboz 2 years ago
this is an incredible, incredible performance. oistrakh's tone. such beauty. thank you for posting.
whoputthecookiein 3 years ago 2
Pero que manejo brutal del tempo!! es pura musica!!!
raulrolonguitar 3 years ago 2
che stacchi, che perfezione!
ailouros78 3 years ago 3
why do you violinsts always have to compare and rate who is the best and 2nd best etc. all the gret violinists were great especially because they were different. So you're actually just comparing your taste! I think that music at this level and competition are contradictory terms.
sndutoit 3 years ago 8
yeah, it really is too bad that such great music has to be subject to such compare-and-rate bullshit. Some of these people put their lives into the work but if it's not the BEST (completely subjuctive) then they have to tell everyone so.
It's fine to have preferences but it's not fine to say one music is better than another.
Except rap. rap sucks.
misterbuckethead 3 years ago 3
haha, RAP SUCKS!
SpottyDorsord 2 years ago 2
I agree with you. different violinists have different styles, we can't judge fairly, so the best way is not to judge
nokia1242000 2 years ago 2
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And what about Michael Rabin? The best violin player in all HISTORY. Listen his Paganini's moto perpetuo or Rondo Capriccioso by Saint Saens.... NOBODY BETTER
michaelrabinthebest 3 years ago
At least for me, Oistrakh is the greatest violinist of all time. I will, however, concede that his lush romantic tone does not work well for Mozart. But for the 19th and 20th centuries he is, IMHO, unmatched.
When you pair him with Richter, or, in his early days, with Lev Oborin or Oborin and Knushevitsky, that is sheer magic.
gerryrains 3 years ago
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For me, SZERYNG shall always be number one!
dntpntr 3 years ago
For me, Oistrakh is Number 1, and by a long way. Sure Heifetz, Menuhin, Kagan and Stern are great too. I would put Heifetz as Number 2.
swanningaround 3 years ago 3
swanningaround- And where then are Perlman and Milstein?
paulostroff99 3 years ago
paul. To my mind Milstein is there with the greats, but not Perlman (sorry). However, Perlman can definitely play the fiddle better than me, that's for sure. :)
swanningaround 3 years ago 2
swanningaround-And what of Szering,Elman,Kreisler,Shahan,and Ida Haendal-to name but a few of the other greats.
paulostroff99 3 years ago
swanningaround-Have you ever heard or heard of Josef Hassid. Kreisler sai that every hundred years there appears one such as Heifetz,but only every two hundred years one such as Hassid. There is another male violinist who I believe is only 22,and a phenom.His name eludes me,but I shall look it up in my favourites. He does a superb Tchaikovsky,and is the fastest of anyone on the fast movement.
paulostroff99 3 years ago
And what about Repin or Kremer?
jirkanovak2 3 years ago
I do prefer Oistrakh over a lot of violinists. His Brahms concerto is sublime.
I just love the emotion he puts into every note.
ThaSchwab 3 years ago 2
un duo irripetibile
alceste66 3 years ago
i have never a voilin play with a passion as Ostrakh
saintdracula 3 years ago
simply magnificent!
scriabiniste 4 years ago 3
my God this is Heaven's music
danielito1979 4 years ago
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Played by Devils. And it's Hell music. For Heaven music, listen to Beethoven, Mozart, Bach, Vivaldi, Haendel, Haydn.
u2bmetub 4 years ago
Great.
KoganSvetlanov 4 years ago
Let us just be grateful that we have this marvelous performance to treasure time and again, and stop this pointless ranking of performers as if it were some kind of Olympic figure skating competition.
I dare anyone to present objective data that could be used to scientifically rank any genre of musical performer.
emtube 4 years ago 27
Thanks for this rare video of two great masters.
O please. Rubbishing Anne Sophie Mutter and saying that Hilary Hahn is better than Jascha Heifetz! Oistrakh and Heifetz are the best ever. Don't even mention Hahn in this company. Ignore the marketing talk and the fact that she is an American, and listen! Anne Sophie Mutter is also way way out above Hilary.
swanningaround 4 years ago 2
I think that Itzhak Perlman is close to the top as well.
Darbkin 4 years ago
I heard Mutter version with Alexis Weissenberg. Forgive me, I know that she's considered one of the greatest but I really hated her vibrato in those Brahms's sonatas... It's HORRIBLE!
angel0exterminador 4 years ago
Oistrakh will never and should never be compared with anyone. His effortless sound production, sound quality and the acuracy of his intonation is almost God like..... All students should listen to Oistrakh.
ccon7279 4 years ago 3
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What crap video angles - no variety here
adamwas 4 years ago
better angles would be good. but the focus is on the music
rakoon3434 4 years ago 2
great players, great work
flamenclen3 4 years ago
so freaking horrible! So out of tune and unelegant!
nathanbob12 4 years ago
Perfect!!!!!!! When was this video recorded???
kimviolin 4 years ago
this is the best brahms sonata video recording-just in mytaste-i´ve ever seen....thanx to those who posted that....
bahotheviolon 4 years ago
sux that they're both gone. :(
annamikme 4 years ago
David Oistrakh is my favorite violinist and Brahms is one of my favorite composers. I wish the camera was placed in front of Oistrakh.
thekidwhocameback 4 years ago
i prefer mutter's recording
commandercool069 4 years ago
Mutter sucks
VegliaBorletti 4 years ago
Even Mutter doesn't believe that she's in a class with Oistrakh - she said so a few years ago that basically nobody was, including herself.
gerryrains 4 years ago
Mutter is a great violinist, but she's not the one to be compared to Oistrakh. If anyone, it should Be Hilary Hahn or Vengerov, and I don't believe either of them are anywhere near his level of playing
Violaghost 4 years ago
The younger Mutter was a much better violinist before she started singing opera (mezzo soprano). That has taken up too much of her violin practice time.
Actually, the chain smoking, motorcycle moll (Nadja Salerno-Sonnenberg) has, IMHO, the greatest raw talent of anyone still active. Her performances on an EMI CD with (1) Mendelssohn's Violin Concerto, Saint-Saen's Havanaise and Introduction and Rondo capriccioso, and Massenet's "Meditation from "Thais"". This is a must for anybody.
gerryrains 4 years ago
I actually heard Sonnenberg's live performance of the Mendelssohn's concerto, and I was greatly impressed with the sound, though her stage presence was horrible. She kept retuning in the middle of the piece and glaring at the audience. Lol, she yelled at some guy that came in late. But I guess that's what makes her... her.
Anyway, I personally prefer Vengerov and Vadim Repin, but I suppose it's a matter of opinion. I don't believe any of them could be compared to Oistrakh.
Violaghost 4 years ago
No question! Oistrakh was the greatest violinist of the recording era. Since we can't reproduce Paganini, there is little point in arguing that one.
gerryrains 4 years ago 2
I really don't think oistrakh was the greatest violinist of the recording era at all. In fact i'm not even sure if he makes my top 10. I don't really understand all the hysteria about all of the dead violinists being so much better than those of today. If I were to rank violinists, I would cirtainly put Milstein, Mutter, Ivry Gitlis, gil shaham, and sonnenberg ahead of Oistrakh. However overall its a matter of opinion. They each have their special qualities.
commandercool069 4 years ago
if you hate oistrakh so much, why are you looking at his videos and commenting on them?
abburidotakaria 4 years ago
I don't hate oistrakh at all. I think he was an exceptional player. All I'm saying is that for this parti
commandercool069 4 years ago
I don't hate oistrakh at all. I think he was an exceptional player. All I'm saying is that for this particular piece I think Mutter's recording brought more of the emotion out of brahms's music. It's not a question of doctoring for technical perfection which oistrakh and mutter both achieve. It's about the music which, in my opinion, Mutter brings out more.
commandercool069 4 years ago
Mutter's recordings are patched and doctored obscene amounts... She is living in a much more advanced age when microphones are better and there is technology that can fix every single intonation mistake... Back in oistrakh's day, there wasn't such doctoring...
abburidotakaria 4 years ago 2
Vengerov is a bit too much full of himself. I find his constant posturing too much in a video. But video or CD, I lean towards Repin as the superior of the two. Fortunately, I have never seen Nadia perform and probably wouldn't bother if I had the opportunity. Where do you rate Joshua Bell?
gerryrains 4 years ago
I can definitely see the criticism of Vengerov, though having seen his perform live, I believe his sound alone, the joy and energy it seems to carry, really set him apart. Still a lot of people have a problem with his movement.
I don't think Bell could be compared, now or any time soon to any of the violinists we mentioned.
Violaghost 4 years ago
I just listened to this and then Mutter's recording back to back, and i really do prefer mutter. She just really evokes all the passion of brahms's music. As for bell, I like his tone and phrasing, but he has no power behind his sound on the big climaxes when it really counts.
commandercool069 4 years ago
This was taped with the crappy microphones of the 1960s, before Mutter was born. Even Mutter admits that her original goal of surpassing Oistrakh was a dream that came close to being fulfilled. As to the others perhaps you should do a little research into the opinions of his fellow musicians and the violinist who failed to approach his level. Of course Sonnenburg would never admit that, but she got to perform in the stereo era.
gerryrains 4 years ago
This was taped with the crappy microphones of the 1960s, before Mutter was born. Even Mutter admits that her original goal of surpassing Oistrakh was a dream that came close to being fulfilled. As to the others perhaps you should do a little research into the opinions of his fellow musicians and the violinist who failed to approach his level. Of course Sonnenburg would never admit that, but she got to perform in the stereo era.
gerryrains 4 years ago
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Much that I love Oistrakh, I got to say that Gil Shaham is getting dangerously close to Oistrakh's level, and Hilary Hahn tops Heifetz(!) I haven't listened to Vengerov enough to make a judgement.
I'm gonna run and duck now.
nibelungensohn 4 years ago
stop smoking crack
KoganSvetlanov 4 years ago 3
The two music wonders of the world!
Modu 4 years ago
Thanks for the post!
gerryrains 4 years ago
Thank you!
jewy 4 years ago
No words...!
MadameOrchestre 4 years ago
The two best!
VegliaBorletti 4 years ago
You've got that right!
gerryrains 4 years ago