Clip of 70-90* cross wind paragliding take off & landings

[ribeiro34]

You are a very experienced pilot, no doubt, it just freeks me out the way you cross these bob wires fences all the time, I'de rip of my wing at the 1st try, anyway, good video and keep doing it well, chears...

[murrayhay]

Hi Student (are you 65?) this is in practice two questions...

1) The KEY is the AIRspeed v ground speed, both 'beats' are equaly safe regarding flying (AIRspeed) is about 20kts both ways...

2) BUT the Ground speed one way is about 35kts (near top of ridge) and the other way (east) it's only about 10-5kts (bottom > top of ridge)

With good solid HP&L training (ignore GROUND speed/tendency of a human to want to slow down) it is VERY safe.

PS 'left ones' are in fact right beats :-)

[davidcassar25]

thanks murray.

i have been doing some of these landings deep stall landing.i feel safe.on it. i shoudn't get in the habit thow.

regards dave

[davidcassar25]

hello murray

have you tried deep stall landing.or we can call it landing vertical from high say 10meters???

[murrayhay]

Hi David, I've landed the Vertex (known in Germany as 'the Body Bag' ;-) many times while holding it in the (knife edge!) balanced stall (parachutal) with the brakes from about 50 meters AGL both over the flat (light to no wind) and to slope land (modest to zero wind) as well as the easier/safer B Line landing (no risk for entering a 'dynamic stall' from too much brake/spin (asymmetric brake), I've also done 'helicopter' landing from 25m.

[NevilleStyke]

Down here in the south, it's often too windy for the P/Gs on the good days when thermals are strong. "It's got to be rough to be good!". I find that havind a young son cuts down the flying hours greatly.

[NevilleStyke]

"who do NOT wish to risk the standards/accident rates produced by 'normal' PG theory, practices & procedures! " Duh! Fly a hanglider!

[murrayhay]

Of course I do in fact fly a hanglider... after all a paraglider is legally defined as:

'A class three hang glider, an aircraft with no primary rigid structure"

From an engineers perspective a comment from Alan Coffin was intresting when I asked him if he would like to do some HG training..

No Way! Far to risky...

The great thing about PG's is they are almost certainly the safest form of 'sport' aviation, as at least with a PG you can sort out 99.9% of any problems in flight..!

[NevilleStyke]

It's certainly one of the most expensive forms of 'sport' aviation with new canopies only lasting a fraction of the 15 years of good performance you can get from a class 1 hanglider. I've seen how 'safe' paragliders are over the last 20 years of flying along with them and watching them fall out of the sky.

[murrayhay]

Your forgetting the 'BHPA Factor'...

I often pick up PG's (and HG's) for say a couple of 100 quid (I got an Airwave 10 comp glider a short while ago for FREE!) with as little and a couple of hours airtime on the wing!

Fly say 600 hours (typ. one years flying) and ignoring fuel and site costs (A LOT!) the flying costs me about a pound an hour flight time!

NB since the late 90's 75% of my students have been RE-training ex-BHPA 'pilots'..... often with under 1hr flight time to CP 'rating'!

[murrayhay]

Re HG's I've currently got 5 under repair...

The most I paid was 25 pounds for a Clubman, got it from a BHPA instructor who had a full service done/new wires etc. and than nosed it in and snapped the keel on his next flight...

Several of the others gliders I got for free from pilots leaving the sport :-)

Out of intrest how much inc. service costs (presume no repairs) would you estimate for a HG over 15 yrs? V Flying hours over 15 years?

[murrayhay]

The dangers in paragliding (excluding Acro/comp HP&L accidents) and almost all directly from Instruction Error...

95% of what I teach DIRECTLY CONTRIDICTS the theroy/practise/procedures taught by associations like the BHPA... as a result out pilots enjoy less than 5% of the 'normal' PG accident rate...

Those very few accidents are almost always RE-trained pilots 'Regressing' to their first training ('Old dogs/New tricks' issues)

[NevilleStyke]

My previous glider was £1200 with 6 hours on it. I flew it for 13 years at 150 hours a year and had one new set of side wires made up by Icaro when we lived in Italy. That worked out at £2 a week, or about £1 an hour. We bought a 180 Typhoon for £200 and spent £50 on sleeving, big wheels and a new side wires, and used that for dual flying for 5 years. The people who bought paragliders new and then sold them on at £200 with only two hours airtime must have taken a bit of a hit.

[murrayhay]

'A bit of a Hit'...

Yep they did /had... in BOTH senses of the word! (i.e. accident reason for leaving the sport)

Many of our pilots buy a FULL PG set up low/hrs (wing/harness/helmet/flying suit & boots) for 400 - 600 pounds, so based on your No.s a HG lasts about 2x-4x the hrs of a PG (NB less design change) HG pilot prob. gets 50%-25% fewer flying hrs/days.

I've got well over 4,500hrs since '98, and fly/out teaching (cuts down hrs 30%!) on about 240 days/year in Scotland :-)

[PortyPara]

Hi Neville, I'm Alan C. by the way ..training aside , as I never ! want to get into that debate . , lol .and not taking into acount statistics,

Take the following with a pinch of salt ( personal opinion )

[PortyPara]

I for some reason dont feel comfortable trying hang-gliding ( wrightly or wrongly ) ( but may try it at some point )

I have 25 years in engineering from work shop to senior design engineer working with stressed structures, pressure vessels a significant amount of time. Qualifications aside, ( of which I have many ) I am wary of structural failures, inspection techniques, quality assurance

[PortyPara]

( material certification and testing ) and also field performance ( i.e. what happens between inspections ). I have no experience in hang gliding but have a slightly nervous feeling ( based on other industries ) in trusting steel , titianium or any other luxurious materials. This again is personal, Paragliders however rely on fabric and lines which are in tension ( never compression ) - u cant push a bit of string, lol.

[PortyPara]

so just have an uneasy feeling relying on ridgid frame . Its not a pop at hangies, just a personal feeling, Im sure you know what I mean If u fly one .....

AC

[ParaglidingManiac]

How many wings you have to fly with?

[murrayhay]

Of my own ones... about 30!

They rang from fairly current ones to wings from the 80's (great fun to throw around the sky ;-)

In addition I also get to test fly a lot of wings for other pilots & students.

[gburazer]

Sweet video dude

[ParaglidingManiac]

Your videos are the best!

[ParaglidingManiac]

I wish we have flying spots like this.

[johnnyblunder]

Watch out for the dundee terrier murray...its a killer mate.