Suppose we could synthesize all food, meat included, which means there would be no animal exploitation involved.
Would you be able to enjoy meat grown in a lab?
I enjoy meat myself, but then again I buy my meat directly from a farmer I know or it comes from wild game I hunt. My father catches cod regularly too. I live in a small country in Europe.
I believe the industrial revolution has damaged man's connection with nature, animals are thought of as a product.. :s
@Sindrijo I'm all for lab grown meat for people who insist on flesh, but I don't want it for me, I do love vegan food and find it very health promoting. And animals as products is inevitable when they're being bred for slaughter & profit, and treating sensitive lives as products really should be way beneath us as human beings. 7 billion people require industrialization of the meat industry to meet the demand and be cost effective, and meat's not needed by us. Thanks for the thoughtful question.
@1221solstice2012 Why should it be beneath us as humans? Is it an ethical absolute and duty to avoid at all costs the killing of animals because the animal has a brain able to comprehend pain? I think it is too soon to distinct humans from animals...
Anyways if Vegans hope to have a real effect on the world they should start boycotting the international cereal industry as much as possible and only buy directly from farmers, as well as promote biodiversity and use of perennials
@Sindrijo It's beneath us because or goal as human beings is an ethical and peaceful civilization, and we should be able to empathize with others including animals, obviously. And we are not carnivores so can well do without slaughter. Vegans are perhaps 2% of the population now, so why should we, or anyone, boycott the cereal industry? Makes no sense to me, I buy mostly organic cereals. You want to talk environmental devastation?
I'm talking about the big multinational corporations that pretty much control the worlds food production between them. The only reason its economical to use corn ect. to raise cattle for slaughter is because these big corporations are competing with local farmers around the world, forcing them to grow more, use their seeds ect. creating an overabundance. A vicious cycle. I didnt mean boycott the cereal industry as a whole but the big bad companies. :)
@1221solstice2012 Also, cattle can be raised to be healthier on the same amount of land that is required to grow the corn they are fed with. Isn't that odd?
Also I am of the opinion that while we are able empathize with animals it does not mean that we are somehow ethically obliged to stop killing them for meat. I believe eating meat is part of being human, because we have done it for a long time. Like part of being a lion is eating meat. No animal is exclusively carnivorous.
@Sindrijo People have done a lot of horrible things, forever, doesn't mean we should keep doing them. Lions DIE if they don't kill & eat meat, people thrive being vegan, you can't compare a natural carnivore with a human in civilization. Your appetite is simply a habit; habits can be changed, but if you don't want to be vegan, don't, no need to try to change my mind about it; there really is nothing to criticize about informed veganism, so the continual hounding by people is offensive.
@kuwaizair Saying that a culture that accepts abuse and slaughter of innocent/helpless/harmless lives to needlessly eat or otherwise use them by choice is a culture where baby rape/murder and other horrific crimes will occur is not saying that anyone who eats meat is a baby rapist or murderer...it's saying you're in denial and contributing to a brutal, phony civilization that spawns such sociopaths who will commit those unspeakable crimes.
WOW that was lame, You know why people don't like vegans? Because many of them have made it public that they want all meat and all meat products banned, these morons need to be delt with harshly. That is what is giving you your bad rep not your diet.
@lukethibodaux You again? Obviously you like me, you're stalking me, lol, all those comments on my other channel. Most people like me just fine even when I'm doing the dastardly deed of eating vegan in front of them. A lot of people ask me for diet advice because they say I look so healthy & younger than my age. You want to "deal with others harshly" for having opinions you don't like? Wow. If I want advice on how to deal with people I certainly won't ask you.
Had a conversation like this with a meat eater recently. The meat eater became defensive for even just mentioning the 'V' word and then they start to call me an extremist or that I'm preaching to them, but they started the argument by getting defensive.
@MrVeggieman11 I have people in real life who, whenever I'm with them, they continually talk about meat, as if meat is a normal topic of conversation, lol. And then they bitch at me for avoiding them, because I'd rather escape them than "preach" to them. I only preach to those who want it :-)
@1221solstice2012 Yes some act as if our very presence and decision to live compassionately and consciously is a threat to them. When in reality they are the ones causing harm in the world.
I also prefer to talk to people if they show and openness and interest in the topic, rather than forcing it on them if they are going to simply make smartass ignorant comments, there's nothing gained from this. But their attitudes are often very annoying.
@1221solstice2012 why are you being preachy? let everyone make their own choice on what they want to do with their lives...I don't eat dairy, meat, etc God forbid but I don't go around judging others for their lives. I have seen a lot of vegans become very mean to others I thin a better approach is what others need and maybe they could become vegans as well..fighting never solves anything
I hope for more of these enlightening vids - but VERY good. Just because vegans state the fact: it is wrong to harm sentient beings, and we don't have to - that isn't forcing anything on anyone. However, you meat eaters do force RAPE AND MURDER and even starvation on others.
@thestreetsempty I think I covered all their BS with the 6 so far, so that's why I'm quitting this series. And yeah, I love how they can express their awful opinions all they want and it's considered free speech, their inalienable right, but when we speak up about things they scream, "shut the fuck up!" and hurl all sorts of vile accusations. Their slaughter diet apparently doesn't make them happy or secure, even in their huge majority.
I have a question for you.
Suppose we could synthesize all food, meat included, which means there would be no animal exploitation involved.
Would you be able to enjoy meat grown in a lab?
I enjoy meat myself, but then again I buy my meat directly from a farmer I know or it comes from wild game I hunt. My father catches cod regularly too. I live in a small country in Europe.
I believe the industrial revolution has damaged man's connection with nature, animals are thought of as a product.. :s
Sindrijo 1 month ago
@Sindrijo I'm all for lab grown meat for people who insist on flesh, but I don't want it for me, I do love vegan food and find it very health promoting. And animals as products is inevitable when they're being bred for slaughter & profit, and treating sensitive lives as products really should be way beneath us as human beings. 7 billion people require industrialization of the meat industry to meet the demand and be cost effective, and meat's not needed by us. Thanks for the thoughtful question.
1221solstice2012 1 month ago
@1221solstice2012 Why should it be beneath us as humans? Is it an ethical absolute and duty to avoid at all costs the killing of animals because the animal has a brain able to comprehend pain? I think it is too soon to distinct humans from animals...
Anyways if Vegans hope to have a real effect on the world they should start boycotting the international cereal industry as much as possible and only buy directly from farmers, as well as promote biodiversity and use of perennials
Sindrijo 1 month ago
@Sindrijo It's beneath us because or goal as human beings is an ethical and peaceful civilization, and we should be able to empathize with others including animals, obviously. And we are not carnivores so can well do without slaughter. Vegans are perhaps 2% of the population now, so why should we, or anyone, boycott the cereal industry? Makes no sense to me, I buy mostly organic cereals. You want to talk environmental devastation?
veganoutreach. org/whyvegan/environment. html
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1221solstice2012 1 month ago
@1221solstice2012 PS: Anyone who looks at that link, please try to ignore the Peter Singer quote at top of that article...I cannot stand him.
1221solstice2012 1 month ago
@1221solstice2012
I'm talking about the big multinational corporations that pretty much control the worlds food production between them. The only reason its economical to use corn ect. to raise cattle for slaughter is because these big corporations are competing with local farmers around the world, forcing them to grow more, use their seeds ect. creating an overabundance. A vicious cycle. I didnt mean boycott the cereal industry as a whole but the big bad companies. :)
Sindrijo 1 month ago
@1221solstice2012 Also, cattle can be raised to be healthier on the same amount of land that is required to grow the corn they are fed with. Isn't that odd?
Also I am of the opinion that while we are able empathize with animals it does not mean that we are somehow ethically obliged to stop killing them for meat. I believe eating meat is part of being human, because we have done it for a long time. Like part of being a lion is eating meat. No animal is exclusively carnivorous.
Sindrijo 1 month ago
@Sindrijo People have done a lot of horrible things, forever, doesn't mean we should keep doing them. Lions DIE if they don't kill & eat meat, people thrive being vegan, you can't compare a natural carnivore with a human in civilization. Your appetite is simply a habit; habits can be changed, but if you don't want to be vegan, don't, no need to try to change my mind about it; there really is nothing to criticize about informed veganism, so the continual hounding by people is offensive.
1221solstice2012 1 month ago
you have it backwards. the vegan attacks a omnivore by comparing them to baby rapists, murderers.
kuwaizair 1 month ago
@kuwaizair Saying that a culture that accepts abuse and slaughter of innocent/helpless/harmless lives to needlessly eat or otherwise use them by choice is a culture where baby rape/murder and other horrific crimes will occur is not saying that anyone who eats meat is a baby rapist or murderer...it's saying you're in denial and contributing to a brutal, phony civilization that spawns such sociopaths who will commit those unspeakable crimes.
1221solstice2012 1 month ago
WOW that was lame, You know why people don't like vegans? Because many of them have made it public that they want all meat and all meat products banned, these morons need to be delt with harshly. That is what is giving you your bad rep not your diet.
lukethibodaux 4 months ago
@lukethibodaux You again? Obviously you like me, you're stalking me, lol, all those comments on my other channel. Most people like me just fine even when I'm doing the dastardly deed of eating vegan in front of them. A lot of people ask me for diet advice because they say I look so healthy & younger than my age. You want to "deal with others harshly" for having opinions you don't like? Wow. If I want advice on how to deal with people I certainly won't ask you.
1221solstice2012 4 months ago
@1221solstice2012 @lukethibodaux I notice this user sprouting anti-vegan nonsense on many vegan videos. This is a classic case of a 'meattard'.
MrVeggieman11 4 months ago
@MrVeggieman11 He's Super MeatMan on a mission to save the world from demonic lying VEGANS!!!
(lol)
1221solstice2012 4 months ago
Long life for the vegans and vegetarians !!!! (L) LOVE ANIMALS LOVE VEGAN LOVE VEGETARIANS
Inika9lol 5 months ago
@Inika9lol ❤
1221solstice2012 5 months ago
Had a conversation like this with a meat eater recently. The meat eater became defensive for even just mentioning the 'V' word and then they start to call me an extremist or that I'm preaching to them, but they started the argument by getting defensive.
MrVeggieman11 6 months ago
@MrVeggieman11 I have people in real life who, whenever I'm with them, they continually talk about meat, as if meat is a normal topic of conversation, lol. And then they bitch at me for avoiding them, because I'd rather escape them than "preach" to them. I only preach to those who want it :-)
1221solstice2012 6 months ago
@1221solstice2012 Yes some act as if our very presence and decision to live compassionately and consciously is a threat to them. When in reality they are the ones causing harm in the world.
I also prefer to talk to people if they show and openness and interest in the topic, rather than forcing it on them if they are going to simply make smartass ignorant comments, there's nothing gained from this. But their attitudes are often very annoying.
MrVeggieman11 6 months ago
@1221solstice2012 why are you being preachy? let everyone make their own choice on what they want to do with their lives...I don't eat dairy, meat, etc God forbid but I don't go around judging others for their lives. I have seen a lot of vegans become very mean to others I thin a better approach is what others need and maybe they could become vegans as well..fighting never solves anything
spareld 5 months ago
@spareld Ouch! You just preached at me! How could you? You totally missed the whole point of this vid, but it doesn't matter, lol.
1221solstice2012 5 months ago
@1221solstice2012 oh i'm sorry I don't mean to be preachy :)
spareld 5 months ago
@spareld So you say, but this wound will never heal now...you preached at me!!! Holy mother of god, how will I get over this?! ;-)
1221solstice2012 5 months ago
@1221solstice2012 I don't know but there much be something I can do to make you feel better :*(
spareld 5 months ago
@spareld Now, that depends :-)
1221solstice2012 5 months ago
Thanks for showing the famous self-victimization and psychological projection of some meat eaters.
They live in a world dedicated to animal abuse, but act like if they were oppressed.
lolinacarlina 6 months ago
@lolinacarlina Thank you lovely lady :-) ...Isn't it amazing how "sensitive" such people are when defending their cruelty.
1221solstice2012 6 months ago
I hope for more of these enlightening vids - but VERY good. Just because vegans state the fact: it is wrong to harm sentient beings, and we don't have to - that isn't forcing anything on anyone. However, you meat eaters do force RAPE AND MURDER and even starvation on others.
thestreetsempty 8 months ago
@thestreetsempty I think I covered all their BS with the 6 so far, so that's why I'm quitting this series. And yeah, I love how they can express their awful opinions all they want and it's considered free speech, their inalienable right, but when we speak up about things they scream, "shut the fuck up!" and hurl all sorts of vile accusations. Their slaughter diet apparently doesn't make them happy or secure, even in their huge majority.
1221solstice2012 8 months ago
the last one? awww :(
TBman256 8 months ago