@YkariiRIN i dont think you can i am not US either but i can find lots of people on channel 1 on a cairtain time mayby you just have bad luck with the time you are playing that there arent much people
I loved this mmo but, it screw me over with destruction magic, till I notice the high lvl spells cost magnite w/e its called. so, I had fun but good thing I kinda stop before I reached way too far
@toalouis2 How does it take a lot of practice? I played the game for about an hour and I was able to control both my demon and myself without much downtime in between attacks..
God, I hate the fact that I love this game. My laptop sucks when trying to play it. It's so under par that I basically have to uninstall it because it saps the life energy out of it.
ah i remember old days.....it was nice....just fun to play.....but once i get to high lvl like 80 its not thet good....peoples arrent nice at all on high lvls
Oh wow. You should have gotten some red threads from the guy in the cathedral, use those to teleport to the junkerman in Suginami, or look on the map in Sugi, I think he's the little speechbubble.
taking out Andras on solo is very simple:you take him alone and alternate Shot with Dodge,cause Andras doesn't have phisical hits
shot him to make him move closer to you,go in a part of the map where there aren't demons(entrance should be good)you do the dodge,when he misses the magic attack,hit him with shot and demon attacks(Brave Garm is very useful cause he is very strong on close combat)
also to people who need the old world stone, u do this, u have to have a demon on lvl 12 or higher(17 is reccomended though, as there is a success rate)
also if u fail, u lose that demon D: then, u have to goto the cathedral, and talk to the master, and also have a spare lvl 12/higher demon cuz he will take the demon tat is summoned and u lose itD:
omfg how dare my bro say this game is cheap and im being lured in by marketing, if i wasnt going to get bitched at, i would said, ya well fuck you bitch! this game looks FUCKING AMAZING he doesnt know it actually has a story to it... nice fight
hey this is DaNg3r im recruiting for the RedNInja clan anyone is welcome, you have to wear a blue bandana cause its required. so yea if you wanna join either add xK0jiSaNx or me (channel 7 is the channel the master and sub master always go)
I was trying to solo this dungeon at level 15...I kept dying because of the starfish on the level that Jack Frost pushes you to after showing the blue ore thing...
>.>;; maybe I should bring a party like this with me.
May I suggest being a gunner? :o I don't know what it's like being one, but it looks cool from afar. The guns are damn expensive though. And you run out of bullets fast, so stock up on those too.
DON'T be melee. Be a gunner or a mage. Guns aren't that expensive (no more than anything else). Melee people have to repair their stuff all the time.
Gunners rock because lots of stuff is weak to guns. May I also suggest being a magic gunner. There is a chain expertise called "magic bullet" that rocks from what I've seen. (my gunner doesn't have it YET)
i did this on solo XD though it was really hard, technique is, lure the boss in a safe corner then kill right there, where the other enemies can't see you, brave garm buffs would be quite useful, and dodge skill is needed, every time you see him casting some big spell, a sure hit would kill your demon o_o (Fighter lvl 17) XD
2 manned with a healer and a tank around lv16-18 we died quite a bit on this boss and it was slow going, but it's doable. Especially if you back the boss up against the wall and just keep smacking it with attacks so it can't move.
i believe they dnt give that much mp for mages its ridiculous. lol
Solo the boss and killed it on my 2nd try the game is kinda diffcult but i hope later lvls i get awesome moves and i didnt kno u can increase one of ur skill attks to a diff rank lvl12 now and didnt notice that til now. xD
I need a garn that haves media XD i beated today the first boss That giant garn, with lvl 10 with closed range weapons and the wounded cerberus fire breath and my weak agi, it killed me like 5 times XD
the thing is that i didnt realized that i comed to the place for gather 5 soul shards and ended up fighting that giant bastard XD(Im new, playing for days now)
You know, whenever there's an xp bonus at the end of the act, you should invite people along. Because even high-level players welcome that boost. If I (level 33) got invited to a grey plate party, there would be no way I'd refuse. Try going to channel 1 and shouting that you have a grey plate, or that you're doing inspection run. I'm sure there'll be lots of people who want to join.
that dungeon is retardedly easy. mage and gunners can easily solo this, as long as they dont do anything retarded, like using a shotgun against a forneus and not realize wat is happening.
this is the reason why we should all unite in the forums of aeria and suggest damn scripts on bossfights (though i'm very impressed with the cinematics introduction) make 'em fight like WoW bosses! don't get me wrong about comparing it to WoW..i just want tough scripted bosses that CHASES after you! not walk around the area and wait for it t get mauled by kids 1/4 of it's size...Aeria games should be able to manipulate this don't you people think so too?!
They should make a persona mmo! I love that series
hikingbird42 4 weeks ago
Ah Megaten.. good times..
MaruTheKitten 3 months ago
so, person or shin, i choose persona for story, shin for gameplay
dragirby 4 months ago
lol u ply tis too o.o
Nanoha1287 5 months ago
=w= how the hell do u complete this? Do I need to become a gunner or something? Lol
RulerOfWLO 5 months ago
I did not LIKE THIS ACT! XDDD
A few of my noob buddies and I ran this.
I wasted like hella revival items. XD
Took forever, since I was melee.
they were all gunners.
one magic.
FUN FUNZ!
Hm0ngYexus 7 months ago
mm no that wasnt Megi that was a fire attack
armorkillerz1 7 months ago
lol i like thes boss but it nudenesss is awsome lol
gregory415503 8 months ago
JACK FROST!!!??
megamanx1291 9 months ago
You need to become a healer, Less Meds to buy.
MrsPsyfic 10 months ago
Game is awesome Im gonna download it... Download complete!!! :D
Now i just need to download the patch... Patch download ERROR!!!!!
NOOOOOO!!!! FKING PATCH, i kept trying to download the patch but it keep saying error all the time, any idea
ErikaFurudoXXx 11 months ago
@HughYates not when you are a high lvl its not good exp for me but its still fun to help people doing this run
super0nofa 1 year ago
Im level 18 melee and my garm is 13 u think i can solo it?Because im not in the US and when i play i dont find so many players onlineT^T
YkariiRIN 1 year ago
@YkariiRIN i dont think you can i am not US either but i can find lots of people on channel 1 on a cairtain time mayby you just have bad luck with the time you are playing that there arent much people
super0nofa 1 year ago
@super0nofa I managed to beat it at level 20 with my lvl16 garm btw^^
YkariiRIN 1 year ago
I loved this mmo but, it screw me over with destruction magic, till I notice the high lvl spells cost magnite w/e its called. so, I had fun but good thing I kinda stop before I reached way too far
Crimson0089 1 year ago
just started playing and i want to know why everyone using guns and why he has 3 personas out
j1hgmr08 1 year ago
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sexybella67 1 year ago
@j1hgmr08 he didint have 3 personas he was with 3 person so they had one persona each so that why their was 3
sexybella67 1 year ago
i mean that one hit close call.... i laughed rly hard at your almost wipe out with one hit, it was just SO EPIC
mysticalisland 1 year ago
I LOLED SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HARD at your EPIC fail :)
mysticalisland 1 year ago
Lol i done this by my self at lvl 14 xD no im lvl 52
stormgeneral1 1 year ago
yet another player that doesn't know how to play in conjunction with their demon. Try hitting tab. I assure you you won't regret it.
Xanzuban 1 year ago
@Xanzuban hehe i play this game too (for not too long) and i think
that fighting with ur demon takes a LOt of practice ._.
so far i can make my demon heal myself in battle xD
toalouis2 1 year ago
@toalouis2 How does it take a lot of practice? I played the game for about an hour and I was able to control both my demon and myself without much downtime in between attacks..
Meanderthal17 1 year ago
lol, i soloed this place with the garm and the bird guy at lvl 10 and 14, i gotta say it really annoyed the crap outta me
DaFunkYaaa 1 year ago
God, I hate the fact that I love this game. My laptop sucks when trying to play it. It's so under par that I basically have to uninstall it because it saps the life energy out of it.
Thief8Bit 1 year ago
i always do this by myself, star fish things are the hardest to hit
LysergXlll 1 year ago
is this game good shall i trry it?
nomis503 1 year ago
i dont remember that boss that strong,.,beating it alone may work,.,
near237 1 year ago
ive done all acts :P
onepiece36 1 year ago
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WEAKLINGS!!!! I beat dat boss easily ALONE!!,.,dont expect dat all of u nearl failed the quest,.,Noobz!!!!!!!!!!!!
near237 1 year ago
wow the beginning of this video is amazing... fire and almost all dead xD 5 * ^^
SweetyGirly88 2 years ago
when u say mage gunner u mean lie magic and guns or MB?magic bullet
armorkillerz1 2 years ago
ah i remember old days.....it was nice....just fun to play.....but once i get to high lvl like 80 its not thet good....peoples arrent nice at all on high lvls
Paulchan93 2 years ago
fak this game, i wanted to download it i tryed all webs, but still it didnt work fak it
kariukarys 2 years ago
ur juz a noob in dloading,.,.,
near237 1 year ago
LMAO. I actually think that was Mamudo, but it MAY have been Megidolaon.
AbaraiKyoko 2 years ago
grr i want to play thia but the download is just too big >:/
AxelTheTerminator 2 years ago
Wow you are the best girl
MegaRodrigo54 2 years ago
It's not hard but everyone should remember the game was new when the video rolls, like, its even on closed beta.
Some things might have changed, demon's strength also.
Still, nice taping, and prolly the people who ran in there, if kept playing till today, must be over level 90.
franztanaka 2 years ago
im in act 4 and im lvl20 who wanna help me?conntact lid toya_angel01
YuChIrU01 2 years ago
Weird, I don't remember it being THAT strong.
Greensburgg 2 years ago
gunner is not at any advantage if you can't use long shot or magic bullets
i soloed it a couple times with different char
UFO19w 2 years ago
I Solo'd this, and then i died about three times. Next time with my new character i'll go around asking for a party for this part.
kiddante2 2 years ago
It was Maragion that Andras used at 1:08.
wiidragon7588 2 years ago
you can tell from maragi and maragidyne??
eldorado112 2 years ago
maragidyne has little fireballs spinning upwards during cast animation
wiidragon7588 2 years ago
in my battle he never used it i think it was cuase we kill them all so fast =) -RivalG KIRIN CLAN
armorkillerz1 2 years ago
I think that was some variaton of "Agi".
NeoZombieMaster20 2 years ago
I solo'd this one once... it is easy enough as long as you're not destruction based.
Anyway, this makes me wanna look for a party and do this boss :D
ToineXD 2 years ago
i remeber beating this super easy like 4 people in the party had the quest so we got a crap load of exp
trebot9292266 2 years ago
Holy crap.. It's like, "This just might work"
"BOOM!"
"Shit.. what happened to you three?" .__.
SeitzP 2 years ago
i have Andras level 21(its not this super mutant size of course)
CainLongshot 2 years ago
last time i played i defeat odin with 5 fenrir around him
omg that was hyper bery hard man in one shot he can kill someone and he has a lot of hp
Spid3rXx 2 years ago
grey tunnels are super-hard...
MikiHanonIchigo 2 years ago
nope im a lvl 49 MB gunner and i can solo it
pkemr4 2 years ago
just about anyone over the lvl of 20 can solo it :/ it may take longer for lower lvls but they can :/
midoriuchiha1 2 years ago
i playing this and if some one wanna play just let me know (im level 22)
deathsami3 2 years ago
Um don't mind me asking but how do you get the Old world stone? I've been looking for a month :)
aandz01 2 years ago
Oh wow. You should have gotten some red threads from the guy in the cathedral, use those to teleport to the junkerman in Suginami, or look on the map in Sugi, I think he's the little speechbubble.
Seriously, ask the people in the game.
Dojan5 2 years ago
I love playing this game!
sad777777777777777 2 years ago
me 2
getfresherthenyou101 2 years ago
first time i fought Andras he killed me many times but with a gun/shotgun/rifle is very easy :D
nice fight 5/5 ^^
1masterkeeper1 2 years ago
how is everybody else SO great at this game? EVERYTIME I PLAY I DIE! I use shotguns too!
Izanagidonutz 2 years ago
it's only practice :D
taking out Andras on solo is very simple:you take him alone and alternate Shot with Dodge,cause Andras doesn't have phisical hits
shot him to make him move closer to you,go in a part of the map where there aren't demons(entrance should be good)you do the dodge,when he misses the magic attack,hit him with shot and demon attacks(Brave Garm is very useful cause he is very strong on close combat)
if you need help on something,in game i'm Ganner
1masterkeeper1 2 years ago
Muddle bullet (Forgetful bullet hole) is good against Andras aswell. Pew pew and he's dead in 2 to 3 shots.
Dojan5 2 years ago
it's a bit hard getting the chain expertise of bullet of forgetful before fighting Andras
1masterkeeper1 2 years ago
Not really, you just don't do gray until you got it :P
But yes, I know...
But if you ever do it again, with forgetful bullethole, pew pew :P
Dojan5 2 years ago
then use magic =P
MikiHanonIchigo 2 years ago
I loved how the only weapon I had for this fight was a shotgun, which the main boss blocked everytime. I had to resort to magic. XD
Eviofroblox 2 years ago
also to people who need the old world stone, u do this, u have to have a demon on lvl 12 or higher(17 is reccomended though, as there is a success rate)
also if u fail, u lose that demon D: then, u have to goto the cathedral, and talk to the master, and also have a spare lvl 12/higher demon cuz he will take the demon tat is summoned and u lose itD:
GenericPrince 2 years ago
takes your demon??? screw that!
Willjin 2 years ago
well it easy just catch a cu sith or ask someone to help u catch it(party and they turn it to egg and then wait till u can get it) :D
GenericPrince 2 years ago
i play it too but im low cash so was looking for some money cheats
lolelil98 2 years ago
money cheatsD: shame on you
GenericPrince 2 years ago
omfg how dare my bro say this game is cheap and im being lured in by marketing, if i wasnt going to get bitched at, i would said, ya well fuck you bitch! this game looks FUCKING AMAZING he doesnt know it actually has a story to it... nice fight
3t3rn4ldr34m1ng 2 years ago
this game isnt closed beta anymore its open ^.^ and i gotta say nice fight lolz
Angelus1353 2 years ago
i only needed one person 4 this.
goth0c 2 years ago
sorry to enter the tunnel must use the plate of bronze or silver?
ilgrassa 2 years ago
there is a bronze and a silver version. Bronze is easier. There even is a gold version...
RacheengelKratos 2 years ago
yes, but this is a special plot level where you use a gray plate.
TheLeamons 2 years ago
what u mean with closed beta????
bloody2fang 2 years ago
need help with acts ?? pm me on SMT my char name: koenraad
bloody2fang 2 years ago
that looks like a naked black guy with a owls head.... WTF?
llsektorll 2 years ago
he's red...
Neon00000 2 years ago
does anyone no how to do act 5
lionheart5695 2 years ago
any1 wanna help me out with this boss me and my friend are lvl 15 ^^
SkankinNegro 2 years ago
This games SOO SICK
platniumplayah 2 years ago 16
hey this is DaNg3r im recruiting for the RedNInja clan anyone is welcome, you have to wear a blue bandana cause its required. so yea if you wanna join either add xK0jiSaNx or me (channel 7 is the channel the master and sub master always go)
PnoyBoy45 2 years ago
16 acts total as of today
Nikki13SixX 2 years ago
act 4 is very easy...
Senceses 2 years ago
where do you get the old world orb?reply back quickly plz
nintendoandgameanime 2 years ago
revival orbs ??? why is it old ? thats in the game. lol
Senceses 2 years ago
Ugh T_T Most of my Equipment is Ice based so i'm always srewed when it uses Maragion XD
ritsusha 2 years ago
i soloed this
litobennn 2 years ago
I thought the Xfire sounds were on my computer, lol. Had to pause the video and check all my stuff I had open. Twice.
Liking the game so far, level 25 Gunner. At 22, me and my friend did this with two people. That attack that almost wiped you guys is TOUGH.
SnowflakeSVK 2 years ago
Ah man...You gunners handle decarabias so easily...Im a mage and I get pwned all the time since magic doesn´t affect them that much xP
Kaiokosin 2 years ago
This game is epic, I love it
Fromplenickel 2 years ago
this is one of my favorite dungeons =D
lolololololol012 2 years ago
i like that boss,i own him alot lol
alchemistoftheend 2 years ago
dude im a lvl 17 and my brave garm was a lvl 17 and we owned it by ourselfs but also we another player to help us
pkemr4 2 years ago
can anybody help me lv up im only lv15, i normally dont ask for help but could someone help me??
kanebobdavies 2 years ago
It is good!
corezero678 2 years ago
Since this is a Shin Megami Tensei game it has to be good!
corezero678 2 years ago 4
wow how many acts r in the game?
im downloading now too =]
TehStealthMan 2 years ago
im on act 16 now
Spiritombkid 2 years ago
No, that was Maragion. It still hurts, but Megidolaon is even worse.
At the very least you survived.
chaosgreyblood 2 years ago
HE HAS A GUN! XD WTF this is like counter strike with mmorpg
waterballon38 2 years ago
wow,You literally can play the history ONLINE???I will play this!
GearHawkAccel 2 years ago
Question: did Atlus have anything to do with this game? I ask because the enemies look exactly like monsters from Persona and Digital Devil Saga.
unreadphilosophy 2 years ago
Are you asking this for REAL?
Persona and Digital Devil Saga ARE from Shin Megami Tensei series.
sepherafa 2 years ago 4
hey my ign is LordStalker hit me up im a lvl 39 gunner
ONLYSTALKER 2 years ago
my game name is HaxXxor
Spiritombkid 2 years ago
its the game in germany german?
songotenfan100 2 years ago
its a world wide game and sick to the max
ONLYSTALKER 2 years ago
YEAH im a gunner to
Spiritombkid 2 years ago
this is an easy level
0142397 2 years ago
i agree im on act 9 lol
Spiritombkid 2 years ago
i want to play this game but every time i download it it wont go to the installtion so i cant install can anyone help me?
TsukasaAn 2 years ago
lol 1:05
brandonhrdn14 2 years ago
LOL 2 ppl died in 1 blow.
brandonhrdn14 2 years ago
hehe names ElementalMage msg me if you EVER need help in game
SnipedYouFool 2 years ago
i cant find Junkman XD (im Akuu in the game on Cerberus server maybe u kno me?)
rockyboy504 2 years ago
:0
Do the Acts with me! :]
ChocoAku 2 years ago
I soloed this place at lvl 11..
Ownzd 2 years ago
how do i make an account
CriticalBlo 2 years ago
I was trying to solo this dungeon at level 15...I kept dying because of the starfish on the level that Jack Frost pushes you to after showing the blue ore thing...
>.>;; maybe I should bring a party like this with me.
andregilfurt 2 years ago
lol, it like nearly kills every1 in a single shot! loves it
shinobi81094 2 years ago
so u became a female to hav a little fun
0.o weird...
RialtoWolf 3 years ago
bird in tights lawl XD
LIVETHUAN 3 years ago 4
lol hehe
RialtoWolf 3 years ago
I took all these guys out solo, I never thought of having a party -.-" Would have saved me at least 10 minutes of micro-managing.
Hamiltonizer 3 years ago
Do they assign a job or do u just choose by usin the Skill thing
ZeroSable 3 years ago
You choose through the expertise system.
Kinda like choosing your specialty
zak598598 3 years ago
Andras is one ugly fucker
elementpollo 3 years ago
IM downloading this rite now what should i be a gunner a melee etc.?
I like guns and swords and to heal people and stuff so i need to kno which should i do rite now im gonna be a gunner but i like GRAHHH!...help plz
ZeroSable 3 years ago
May I suggest being a gunner? :o I don't know what it's like being one, but it looks cool from afar. The guns are damn expensive though. And you run out of bullets fast, so stock up on those too.
FenrirWolfSpirit 3 years ago
I am a melee/healer, it works.
the bad thing is that you're the one getting hit/countered/cursed/slaughtered first most of the time
elementpollo 3 years ago 2
DON'T be melee. Be a gunner or a mage. Guns aren't that expensive (no more than anything else). Melee people have to repair their stuff all the time.
Gunners rock because lots of stuff is weak to guns. May I also suggest being a magic gunner. There is a chain expertise called "magic bullet" that rocks from what I've seen. (my gunner doesn't have it YET)
anaelyssa 3 years ago
Still need help Zero? Probably not at this late date..
Lirah117 2 years ago
i did this on solo XD though it was really hard, technique is, lure the boss in a safe corner then kill right there, where the other enemies can't see you, brave garm buffs would be quite useful, and dodge skill is needed, every time you see him casting some big spell, a sure hit would kill your demon o_o (Fighter lvl 17) XD
rickyb0i 3 years ago
2 manned with a healer and a tank around lv16-18 we died quite a bit on this boss and it was slow going, but it's doable. Especially if you back the boss up against the wall and just keep smacking it with attacks so it can't move.
CamperCarl00 3 years ago
What level where you when you fought the boss? I need to fight it soon too so... give me any advice!
darkstarpower 3 years ago
I fought it at lvl 20 with my huapo :P The flying thing in this map is scare of fire
McTourist 3 years ago
i believe they dnt give that much mp for mages its ridiculous. lol
Solo the boss and killed it on my 2nd try the game is kinda diffcult but i hope later lvls i get awesome moves and i didnt kno u can increase one of ur skill attks to a diff rank lvl12 now and didnt notice that til now. xD
DarkSwordmaster1 3 years ago
its not closed beta anymore its cilent now and in english
SoraRuki1 3 years ago
just finished soloing this boss :D the manta ray things aoe ice spell was a pain =/
mirorlink 3 years ago
I need a garn that haves media XD i beated today the first boss That giant garn, with lvl 10 with closed range weapons and the wounded cerberus fire breath and my weak agi, it killed me like 5 times XD
the thing is that i didnt realized that i comed to the place for gather 5 soul shards and ended up fighting that giant bastard XD(Im new, playing for days now)
summersault 3 years ago
wish i had friends to play this game. -_-
DarkSwordmaster1 3 years ago
me to i had to solo act 3 boss -_- but i did beat it on 1st try but i ggot epicly near owned by 3 shikigami at once attacking lol
KiojiPokemaster 3 years ago
You know, whenever there's an xp bonus at the end of the act, you should invite people along. Because even high-level players welcome that boost. If I (level 33) got invited to a grey plate party, there would be no way I'd refuse. Try going to channel 1 and shouting that you have a grey plate, or that you're doing inspection run. I'm sure there'll be lots of people who want to join.
anaelyssa 3 years ago
thanks for the advice
KiojiPokemaster 3 years ago
Hey, can u get the gray plate again after finishing the quest.
ShadowSniper53 3 years ago
You can get plates from the demon in front of the stone.
VpowerSP 3 years ago
Unfortunately no, but you can join someone else's grey plate party and get the 100k bonus again, and again, and again...
anaelyssa 3 years ago
what plate was that?
christhedie 3 years ago
Gray Plate, it's a quest plate.
100k exp at the end. =D
KageOfSand 3 years ago
u got owned in the begnning im hlping newbs through this dungeon
gore682 3 years ago
Im downloading this now, it looks fuckin awesome
ViralZ0ne 3 years ago
wow u guys got owned in the begining
Jay9x 3 years ago
that dungeon is retardedly easy. mage and gunners can easily solo this, as long as they dont do anything retarded, like using a shotgun against a forneus and not realize wat is happening.
Akapwned 3 years ago 2
What is that Stingrays weakness?And while i'm at it whats the starfishes weakness?
KiruSai 3 years ago
because jack pwns everything. Like Chuck norris.
Promisetime 3 years ago
lol he pwns everything but that first hit from the boss lol
Joeygemalicious 3 years ago
WTF ITS ANDRA!!! :D
Promisetime 3 years ago
I killed the giant leotard thing solo :D
ritsusha 3 years ago
was this a hell for youre type (gunner)?
fleinn 3 years ago
music could have made this video a lot cooler
masterjake138 3 years ago
Its plain old maragi. Megidolaon is in here, but it isn't as epic as it should be.
Placentypus 3 years ago
I soloed this ^_^ (i died a few times tho...)
ritsusha 3 years ago
what kinda garm did you used??
fleinn 3 years ago
A normal Garm, didn't know I could get a Brave Garm at the time.
BurnElite 3 years ago
this is the reason why we should all unite in the forums of aeria and suggest damn scripts on bossfights (though i'm very impressed with the cinematics introduction) make 'em fight like WoW bosses! don't get me wrong about comparing it to WoW..i just want tough scripted bosses that CHASES after you! not walk around the area and wait for it t get mauled by kids 1/4 of it's size...Aeria games should be able to manipulate this don't you people think so too?!
PlagueNeko 3 years ago 2
How did u manage to kill the big Decarabia? I had alot of problems with, finished it thought, but u all died in the first 5 action secs, so how?
Xonah 3 years ago
AAAH OMFG IT'S JACK FROST!!! :D
monkeylemur 3 years ago