@skiddy8619 I saw this thing where they got three people who didn't believe and got them all to do this dare called 'The Magic' which was on 13horror.com - they all OTALLY freaked out, including this professor. Creepy stuff. I didn't really believe until I saw it.
I would of walked straight into the room to find out what's going on knowing there must be a rational explination because ghosts do not exist, and would of walked straight into the glass and banged my head lol.
This isn't supposed to be an explanation of every "sighting", but an explanation of a common trick to make people believe there is a ghost, or indeed by people saying they caught a ghost on footage.
There are certainly many cognitive biases that can account for the majority of sightings, but without a way to direct measure and assess those claims, we are still left with a null hypothesis.
While this is a cool trick, it hardly explains sightings of ghosts in the real world. I'm religious and don't believe in ghosts, but something tells me glass standing unnaturally in a room with more light sources than necessary is not the reason people see visions of people in their home that are not there to begin with.
@bbsonjohn Yes, that is true, but in the case of this explanation with mirrors, it is silly to think someone who supposedly sees a ghost wouldn't recognize the reflection of someone they know in their home. Wouldn't you agree?
Other psychological factors are likely to play into this.
A condition known as sleep paralysis is believed to be responsible for alien and ghost encounters at night. The transition into REM sleep can create hallucinations. Other times these hallucinations are the result of gases like carbon monoxide. In one case, scientists found that low bass tones inaudible to the human ear create a sense of doom, foreboding and chills among test subjects.
@shuart24 My daughter said something slid in bed with her one nite and was rubbing her buttocks. At one point she saw the guy walk out of the wall and into the kitchen cabinets. We knew someone died here years ago before we bought the house. He is not going toward the light because he is afraid of going to hell or purgatory for something he did in his life. He is a horny ghost who is hanging around. One guy told me to spread sea salt around to get rid of him.
@norb1937 I read in Weird NJ that some family in Sussex county has a similar problem with ghosts that have hung around for over 30 years. It just goes to show that when one's body dies the rest of ones systems in one's biological suit that organized religion calls a soul keeps on functioning. Such as probably a hard on and what not.
After the death of Ray Wallace in 2002, following a request by Loren Coleman to Seattle Times reporter Bob Young to investigate, the family of Wallace went public with claims that he had started the Bigfoot phenomenon with fake footprints (made from a wooden foot-shaped cutout) left in Californian sites in 1958. In addition, David Daegling stated that Wallace "had a degree of involvement" with the Patterson-Gimlin film, and that this gave grounds for suspicion of it.[63
DID YOU EVER NOTICE THAT GHOST HUNTERS ONLY INVESTIGATE AT NIGHT? NEVER DURING THE DAY. GHOST ONLY COME OUT AT NIGHT? GHOSTS,BIGFOOT,LOC NES MONSTER,SPIRITS, UFOS DONT EXIST. OVER 1,000YRS AND STILL NO LEGAL PROOF. GET OVER IT PEOPLE!
@DevinFilms66792 At The James Randi Educational Foundation , we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event. The JREF does not involve itself in the testing procedure, other than helping to design the protocol and approving the conditions under which a test will take place. All tests are designed with the participation and approval of the applicant.
@spaceghost30082 Ummmmm okay? You don't wait for someone to give you paranormal evidence... You got to look for it yourself. Ghosts are energy left behind a death, that's basically all a spirit is, it uses energy around its environment to show itself. Trust me, I've been around them all my life, you may not believe in them, but I know what I experienced...
@clunkymonk That's incorrect. Whenever the JREF tests someone they agree in advance what criterion will be a success and what will be a failure. Everyone who has taken the test has agreed before hand. So far, none of them have passed. Some have objected to criteria after the fact, but they all agree before hand.
@clunkymonk In the context of Hovind's evolution challenge, the criterion are convincing him. That's obviously not easy. In contrast, the JREF challenge has individualized setups for each claimant. So for example, when they have tested gold dousers that have had the dousers see if they can in double blind experiments identify which containers have gold in them (one setup was 10 containers, 5 with gold. they need to identify 8 containers correctly). Before the test the subjects say they'll win.
@clunkymonk Yes, some people believe in gold dousers. One person's crazy claim is another person's belief. The gold dousers probably think the ghosts are crazy. So yes, they believe. There have been tests about telepathy also but I don't know the specifics in enough detail. Upshot: people who do it agree to the tests saying they can win. And they don't. JREF is a legitimate challenge.
I don't know what you mean by humans being subconsciously connected. What exactly are you talking about?
@clunkymonk Jung's ideas about a collective unconsciousness are in most forms so vague as to not e scientifically testable. What evidence do you think there is that these claims have any validity? Also, nothing is ever proven. Proof is for math and alcohol. But we can make things pretty damn sure. No one for example thinks that phlogiston exists. Proving that isn't possible but we're still as sure as we can be.
@clunkymonk This isn't a "diction attack" it is important to understand the difference between proof and "have lots of evidence". In any event, how do you get from changing the brain can change personality to the idea that we're "all the same consciousness". What does one have to do with the other?
@clunkymonk I'm still not sure I understand you. You are saying that the brain is the "lens" in this sense to what? Why should I think my brain is a lens to something else instead of just the simpler hypothesis that I am my brain?
@clunkymonk Exactly right! All hypotheses need to be assigned non-zero probability at all times! But some of those hypotheses have much higher probabilities than others. At the same time, we an look at some hypotheses (e.g. "the moon is made of green cheese") and assign them low probabilities.
@clunkymonk This video explains how one can easily make ghost like things appear and you are going to this video's comment thread claiming that ghosts really exist and insulting people who argue with you and you think I'm trolling? Really? You seem to be angry about people disagreeing with you. When humans disagree they often get angry due to widely divergent premises and fact sets. Google the phrase "expecting short inferential distances".
@clunkymonk Saying one's idea is incorrect is not the same as saying one is dumb. There are lots of smart people who disagree. This is an important concept.
I'd talked about seeing ghosts due to a) my own experience b) video's about it. c) few ghostly encounters involve vision, those are more compelling than other evidence.
"Divergent premise: that you can know something without evidence for or against it" since I obviously don't believe that, maybe reread what I've wrote?
@JoshuaZelinsky You do believe that, as you've stated: "...because I doubt there's an afterlife... evidence doesn't seem to exist."
So you have no evidence, but you're pretty sure there's no afterlife. In truth, that's something YOU DON'T KNOW, but you think you do know, at least enough to say "I doubt."
"I'm confused about your claims about anxiety." I'm confused about why you don't think before you say shit.
@clunkymonk Please try to parse sentences in a way that doesn't make them stupid. There's no decent evidence for an afterlife. There's quite a bit of evidence against any form of afterlife (lack of plausible mechanism, inconsistency with how brains work, conservation of energy issues, disagreement across cultures as to what the afterlife is like). Even if one had no evidence either way this would not give the idea a high probability. It would make my barber Occam very unhappy.
@JoshuaZelinsky Hahahaha, what a funny idea that my sentences sound stupid. I'm sorry my use of simple english still goes way over your head.
It sounds like you have a lot of assumptions about how science could be applied to afterlife to validate your religious belief that there isn't one. Hey, good for you, man.
@clunkymonk You seem to be trying to read what other people say with an assumption that they are attacking you. I didn't ask you to not write stupid sentences. I asked you to parse sentences in ways that made them not stupid. That is, please read sentences by others in which their meanings aren't automatically stupid or vacuous. In this context, I was referring to your interpretation of my comment about evidence for an afterlife. Reread what I wrote with that in mind.
@clunkymonk As to your other remark- as I attempted to explain, I'd like there to be an afterlife, but the evidence doesn't support it. This has nothing to do with religious beliefs. This is an issue of where the evidence lies. There's no plausible mechanism for an afterlife, and no two societies agree on what the afterlife is like, and all attempts to search for one have failed. That's sad. I have a lot of dead friends and family members I'd like to see. But wanting doesn't make it so.
Like I said, those are your religious beliefs in there being no afterlife, affirmed by assumptions about how science could be applied to it. I might even share those religious beliefs, but it would be just lying to oneself to say that those assumptions are "evidence." Once again, good for you, man.
@clunkymonk You don't seem to understand what the word "parse" means. Parsing a sentence isn't about how you write. It is about how you interpret what other people are writing. You continually interpret sentences in ways which make them stupid or which make them attacks on you when they aren't. It isn't useful. You are welcome to reread what I've wrote and see if you can get anything useful out of it keeping that in mind. Otherwise I think we're done here.
@JoshuaZelinsky I was quite aware of what parse means right from the start. You should go back and reread what I wrote with that in mind... does that sound stupid? Because you've been saying it over and over. You can make whatever excuse you want, but in the end, yeah, you are done here.
@JoshuaZelinsky Oh, I have to mention the other assumption that you used as evidence against ghosts. You said that not every culture has ghost stories. So that's evidence against ghosts according to the Law of Equivalent Dispersal of Spiritual Entities?
I'm not exactly sure how a lack of understanding about dark matter would cause someone anxiety. Now the idea that there are entities active in our world that we can never know, that's actually kinda disturbing.
@clunkymonk I'm confused by your claims about anxiety. So you first decide where other people should get anxiety from and then decide that that must be relevant? The point of the dark matter issue is that scientists are perfectly willing to say "I don't know." and try to understand something more. Lack of knowledge is not an issue.
@clunkymonk Most of your issues seem unlikely to prove "anxiety". I do have some fear of death, but that's more because I doubt there's an afterlife, not because of it. If I saw evidence for an afterlife that looked good, I'd be happier. Unfortunately, that evidence doesn't seem to exist. As to your other questions- aliens being around would similarly be really neat. Among other things we'd have less worry about the Great Filter. But again, no evidence.
@clunkymonk No. It doesn't just come down to believing their claims. They can be quite sincere and still wrong. I get sleep paralysis; I've seen ghosts, aliens, demons, and the Borg. Simply witnessing something is not good evidence. But if something is real and you are patient you can design an experiment to test it. For example, ghosts can be tested by having people sleep in a claimed haunted or non-haunted house without them knowing which one they are in and seeing if experiences differ.
@clunkymonk I'm not using my experience to dismiss others. I'm using it as an example of the many mundane things that can seem to be a ghost experience. Taken together with other evidence (like the fact that the entire idea of ghosts as we understand them only shows up in some specific cultures and not others), it seems like an extremely unlikely hypothesis. But if you can carefully control the set-up then you should be able to test the claims. So far all careful such tests have failed.
@clunkymonk If they take a long time for ghosts to appear then one can do long-term experiments. That's not an issue. Scientists do long-term experiments all the time. Look at for example the Supernova Early Warning System which is set up to detect particles from nearby supernova. It will probably take at least 40 or 50 years before they get one. Time is not an issue. We can be patient.
@clunkymonk The supernova is that scientists are more than willing to do longterm experiments if that's what it takes.
As to going to "video to video" I've made a handful of comments on four of the Science of Scams videos, and I never said anyone was dumb. You seem to be taking things very personally, and seem to be trying to personalize this about my beliefs. The goal of discussion should be to get a closer approximation to the truth. Turning that into a personal battle isn't helpful.
@clunkymonk What does it mean for something to not be scientifically testable? If we aren't patient enough we can test longterm ghost claims or demons, unless you think that they are actively trying to avoid being tested. If it has no predictable result why hypothesize it?
Re:idea I'd get anxiety from thinking there are things I don't know; that's an obnoxious assumption. I don't know a lot. And we don't know much. We don't know what dark matter is for example. But we're always learning.
@clunkymonk What? No not at all. No one needs to show any cause and effect. The criterion generally focus on them doing some action that should be extremely unlikely by normal means. Look at the douser. The test doesn't see if they are actually dousing, or talking to God, or using an invisible leprechaun assistant. The test purely looks at can they do what they say they can do.
that effect looks awesome, im glad they said ghost on film because i have had my own personal ghost experiences and i can say THEY ARE REAL but yea i do think like 99% of not every last one of these videos on youtube are edited to make it seem like theres a ghost, i'd say the most convicing ones are the ones that show over night footage
I have been catching paranormal phenomena on tape for the past couple of days. If you are interested in checking these videos out, please search "Paranormal Phenomena Caught on Tape Trent Arant" on Youtube.
Well of course this ghost on film is fake since it was rigged. All you did was show people how to fake a ghost apparation. I don`t really believe in ghost myself, but this really doesn`t disprove anything.
@27182818R We watch YouTube videos for the same reason we watch TV. We read the comments for the same reason we read the junk people write on bathroom walls.
@MewKiri Well, proving that something IS fake doesn't prove that something else isn't, but it raises some questions, which as the announcer guy says, isn't the point. Ghosts haven't been proven either way, and there are many more people interested in raising questions for money or attention than trying to find answers. They've demonstrated a rational example on one side, and there are none so far on the other.
Now that I have watched this video I am going to pick it apart, point out how stupid I think it is; even though it is actually quite interesting. Then I am going to get needlessly angry with the people who made it and assert that the whole thing was completely pointless. In this way I will manage to miss the point that it was just meant to be a little bit of entertainment and be proud of my own achievement of being a prat. God I love youtube! Its just so much better then TV!
So basically what they did, is that since science can't explain paranormal phenomena, these assholes put up a whole SET up to TRICK them into believing that there's a ghost wherever. But in REAL investigations there are no pre set-ups to, nothing put there for anyone so that whoever wants to make the audience believe that ghosts are real; where I live NOONE has any setup bs, like these assholes did; this place, just spend the night and you'll know something's going on, shit you just cnt explain
@fuckbees666 are you really trying to suggest that their are body entities that are floating around with nothing better to do than to freak people out. All those ghost hunter shows are the bull shit. This is actually real and you criticize it.
hahah damn that was pretty good, too bad it could just be some girl in white moving out of the way once she scared the shit out of that girl pretty impressive though made my day
@muzicmast3r there's no fun involved with these things, specially when people try to get your money with these scams. Showing the truth here is pretty remarkable and way more respectable than those who try to fool you.
Thats funny because I actually took a REAL picture of a ghost and the EXIF data on the original jpg file can prove that IT IS NOT photoshopped. Fucking idiots trying to convince you that science has the explanation. Fuck you morons.
@KristophM Calm down... this is just a cheap trick that makes the explaination on SOME ghost videos, to clean out the scammers who fails misserably. Thank god for them getting wiped out. But ghosts do exist within other pictures and movies, this was just one way of explaining the phenomonon.
@mollebjornen - if SOME ghost videos are fake, and can be shown to be fake, then the chance that they ALL are is much greater than ANY of them being real. Google "Occam's Razor".
@JBofBrisbane That's correct. I wont start to call any real before i've seen it with my own eyes. However, i have, unfortunately for myself, been able to capture a few pictures were something unexplaiable have appeared, and i do not know how it ended there. Rest assured that i have tried to debunk the hell out of it, but its not possible. - But to stay to the subject, everything should have a go at being debunked. But heck, i don't know.
@KristophM - you took a photo with something on it that you can't explain - argumentum ad ignoratum, you made the jump to "ghost" without considering what else might have caused it.
Science isn't something you believe in - it's something you do.
I really like these videos. There really interesting and fun to watch, and too see how various illusions and happenings that may seem out of the ordinary, can have a rational explanation behind it. But despite this, I really believe that there are things in this world that defies both logic and reason.
People who go on YouTube looking for spelling errors need to get a fucking a life.seriously every 10th comment is the grammer police.no one gives a fuck enough to respond to comments except these fucking Assholes who think the Internet is just a pile of homework.go get laid you pitiful fucks.your not going to get a reward and the person that doesn't care about grammer definetly doesn't care about you.
I must ask why would any one try to prove that paranormal even exists anymore when you guys make fake footage I mean whats the point because with all of the fake stuff out there how are you or the world going to be able to believe the real stuff when you see it
@AllMyWordz you asked why arnt there ever any black ghosts because some ghosts are from the civil war do you want a white ghost from like 200 to 300 years ago in slaving your black ghost ass
Omg!
BieberFever1373 1 hour ago
Ghost still exist
cjs1916 20 hours ago
LMFAO, ghosts don't exist, wait till you have an experience.
skiddy8619 2 weeks ago
@skiddy8619 I saw this thing where they got three people who didn't believe and got them all to do this dare called 'The Magic' which was on 13horror.com - they all OTALLY freaked out, including this professor. Creepy stuff. I didn't really believe until I saw it.
lunkunbree 1 week ago
Aha the acting is really bad xD
OllyMay95 2 weeks ago
that was pretty spooky i must admit.
Matty6660 3 weeks ago
Bullshit you see mirror
Nuffsaid1975 3 weeks ago
lmao up too 50 seconds i thought reflective window straight away :L i dont know if its right or not cuz i havent finished watching :P
shabbabut215 3 weeks ago in playlist Favorite videos
That was mean 'spirited' thing to do.
linear23 3 weeks ago
one day im going to scare someone with this
ScottMcgTV 3 weeks ago
I would like to use this to my advantage.
BlueDiamondAssassin 1 month ago
These science scams people got to shut up either way ghosts are real
Andriod1997 1 month ago
Its cool
Kikame15 1 month ago
I would of walked straight into the room to find out what's going on knowing there must be a rational explination because ghosts do not exist, and would of walked straight into the glass and banged my head lol.
peteq1972 2 months ago
lol i'd love to totally freak someone out like this.
peteq1972 2 months ago
awesome. imagine how scared that woman must have gotten.
bbbbbb222222 2 months ago
Ghosts are everywhere.. ITS AWESOME :D
smiletehk 2 months ago
Lol
Ch34t3rs1 2 months ago
This isn't supposed to be an explanation of every "sighting", but an explanation of a common trick to make people believe there is a ghost, or indeed by people saying they caught a ghost on footage.
There are certainly many cognitive biases that can account for the majority of sightings, but without a way to direct measure and assess those claims, we are still left with a null hypothesis.
bayanimills 3 months ago
Pre guess. Is the ghost a glass and lighting trick?
539forgotten 3 months ago
What a waste of bandwidth.
harkeill 3 months ago
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pbjanimations 3 months ago
While this is a cool trick, it hardly explains sightings of ghosts in the real world. I'm religious and don't believe in ghosts, but something tells me glass standing unnaturally in a room with more light sources than necessary is not the reason people see visions of people in their home that are not there to begin with.
FinalFantasy773 3 months ago in playlist More videos from scienceofscamsc4
@FinalFantasy773 Sometimes mirror reflections can be inadventent
bbsonjohn 3 months ago
@bbsonjohn Yes, that is true, but in the case of this explanation with mirrors, it is silly to think someone who supposedly sees a ghost wouldn't recognize the reflection of someone they know in their home. Wouldn't you agree?
FinalFantasy773 3 months ago
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Other psychological factors are likely to play into this.
A condition known as sleep paralysis is believed to be responsible for alien and ghost encounters at night. The transition into REM sleep can create hallucinations. Other times these hallucinations are the result of gases like carbon monoxide. In one case, scientists found that low bass tones inaudible to the human ear create a sense of doom, foreboding and chills among test subjects.
And of course, scams and fakes.
shuart24 2 months ago
@shuart24 My daughter said something slid in bed with her one nite and was rubbing her buttocks. At one point she saw the guy walk out of the wall and into the kitchen cabinets. We knew someone died here years ago before we bought the house. He is not going toward the light because he is afraid of going to hell or purgatory for something he did in his life. He is a horny ghost who is hanging around. One guy told me to spread sea salt around to get rid of him.
norb1937 2 months ago
@norb1937 it was probably Quagmire
londonjig 2 months ago
@norb1937 I read in Weird NJ that some family in Sussex county has a similar problem with ghosts that have hung around for over 30 years. It just goes to show that when one's body dies the rest of ones systems in one's biological suit that organized religion calls a soul keeps on functioning. Such as probably a hard on and what not.
norb1937 2 months ago
The Haunted Mansion at Disneyland uses this technique for the ballroom scene :)
wolfwolfenstein 4 months ago
After the death of Ray Wallace in 2002, following a request by Loren Coleman to Seattle Times reporter Bob Young to investigate, the family of Wallace went public with claims that he had started the Bigfoot phenomenon with fake footprints (made from a wooden foot-shaped cutout) left in Californian sites in 1958. In addition, David Daegling stated that Wallace "had a degree of involvement" with the Patterson-Gimlin film, and that this gave grounds for suspicion of it.[63
spaceghost30082 4 months ago
lol back when youtube had the star bar
blazinblue777 4 months ago 2
@blazinblue777 hahahhahaha
school436 3 months ago
I think it's cool
weasleytwinsgurl 4 months ago
It's called reflection retards
WESS258 5 months ago
DID YOU EVER NOTICE THAT GHOST HUNTERS ONLY INVESTIGATE AT NIGHT? NEVER DURING THE DAY. GHOST ONLY COME OUT AT NIGHT? GHOSTS,BIGFOOT,LOC NES MONSTER,SPIRITS, UFOS DONT EXIST. OVER 1,000YRS AND STILL NO LEGAL PROOF. GET OVER IT PEOPLE!
spaceghost30082 5 months ago
@spaceghost30082 someone's a little closed minded... Whats the matter? Boring life so you have to shove it on us?
DevinFilms66792 5 months ago
@DevinFilms66792 At The James Randi Educational Foundation , we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event. The JREF does not involve itself in the testing procedure, other than helping to design the protocol and approving the conditions under which a test will take place. All tests are designed with the participation and approval of the applicant.
spaceghost30082 5 months ago
@spaceghost30082 Ummmmm okay? You don't wait for someone to give you paranormal evidence... You got to look for it yourself. Ghosts are energy left behind a death, that's basically all a spirit is, it uses energy around its environment to show itself. Trust me, I've been around them all my life, you may not believe in them, but I know what I experienced...
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clunkymonk 4 months ago
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clunkymonk 4 months ago
@clunkymonk That's incorrect. Whenever the JREF tests someone they agree in advance what criterion will be a success and what will be a failure. Everyone who has taken the test has agreed before hand. So far, none of them have passed. Some have objected to criteria after the fact, but they all agree before hand.
JoshuaZelinsky 4 months ago
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clunkymonk 4 months ago
@clunkymonk In the context of Hovind's evolution challenge, the criterion are convincing him. That's obviously not easy. In contrast, the JREF challenge has individualized setups for each claimant. So for example, when they have tested gold dousers that have had the dousers see if they can in double blind experiments identify which containers have gold in them (one setup was 10 containers, 5 with gold. they need to identify 8 containers correctly). Before the test the subjects say they'll win.
JoshuaZelinsky 4 months ago
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clunkymonk 4 months ago
@clunkymonk Yes, some people believe in gold dousers. One person's crazy claim is another person's belief. The gold dousers probably think the ghosts are crazy. So yes, they believe. There have been tests about telepathy also but I don't know the specifics in enough detail. Upshot: people who do it agree to the tests saying they can win. And they don't. JREF is a legitimate challenge.
I don't know what you mean by humans being subconsciously connected. What exactly are you talking about?
JoshuaZelinsky 4 months ago
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clunkymonk 4 months ago
@clunkymonk Ah, you seem to be talking about Sheldrake's claims about morphic fields. They've been debunked pretty thoroughly.
JoshuaZelinsky 4 months ago
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clunkymonk 4 months ago
@clunkymonk Jung's ideas about a collective unconsciousness are in most forms so vague as to not e scientifically testable. What evidence do you think there is that these claims have any validity? Also, nothing is ever proven. Proof is for math and alcohol. But we can make things pretty damn sure. No one for example thinks that phlogiston exists. Proving that isn't possible but we're still as sure as we can be.
JoshuaZelinsky 4 months ago
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clunkymonk 4 months ago
@clunkymonk This isn't a "diction attack" it is important to understand the difference between proof and "have lots of evidence". In any event, how do you get from changing the brain can change personality to the idea that we're "all the same consciousness". What does one have to do with the other?
JoshuaZelinsky 4 months ago
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clunkymonk 4 months ago
@clunkymonk I'm still not sure I understand you. You are saying that the brain is the "lens" in this sense to what? Why should I think my brain is a lens to something else instead of just the simpler hypothesis that I am my brain?
JoshuaZelinsky 4 months ago
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clunkymonk 4 months ago
@clunkymonk Exactly right! All hypotheses need to be assigned non-zero probability at all times! But some of those hypotheses have much higher probabilities than others. At the same time, we an look at some hypotheses (e.g. "the moon is made of green cheese") and assign them low probabilities.
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clunkymonk 4 months ago
@clunkymonk This video explains how one can easily make ghost like things appear and you are going to this video's comment thread claiming that ghosts really exist and insulting people who argue with you and you think I'm trolling? Really? You seem to be angry about people disagreeing with you. When humans disagree they often get angry due to widely divergent premises and fact sets. Google the phrase "expecting short inferential distances".
JoshuaZelinsky 4 months ago
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clunkymonk 4 months ago
@clunkymonk Saying one's idea is incorrect is not the same as saying one is dumb. There are lots of smart people who disagree. This is an important concept.
I'd talked about seeing ghosts due to a) my own experience b) video's about it. c) few ghostly encounters involve vision, those are more compelling than other evidence.
"Divergent premise: that you can know something without evidence for or against it" since I obviously don't believe that, maybe reread what I've wrote?
JoshuaZelinsky 4 months ago
@JoshuaZelinsky You do believe that, as you've stated: "...because I doubt there's an afterlife... evidence doesn't seem to exist."
So you have no evidence, but you're pretty sure there's no afterlife. In truth, that's something YOU DON'T KNOW, but you think you do know, at least enough to say "I doubt."
"I'm confused about your claims about anxiety." I'm confused about why you don't think before you say shit.
clunkymonk 4 months ago
@clunkymonk Please try to parse sentences in a way that doesn't make them stupid. There's no decent evidence for an afterlife. There's quite a bit of evidence against any form of afterlife (lack of plausible mechanism, inconsistency with how brains work, conservation of energy issues, disagreement across cultures as to what the afterlife is like). Even if one had no evidence either way this would not give the idea a high probability. It would make my barber Occam very unhappy.
JoshuaZelinsky 4 months ago
@JoshuaZelinsky Hahahaha, what a funny idea that my sentences sound stupid. I'm sorry my use of simple english still goes way over your head.
It sounds like you have a lot of assumptions about how science could be applied to afterlife to validate your religious belief that there isn't one. Hey, good for you, man.
clunkymonk 4 months ago
@clunkymonk You seem to be trying to read what other people say with an assumption that they are attacking you. I didn't ask you to not write stupid sentences. I asked you to parse sentences in ways that made them not stupid. That is, please read sentences by others in which their meanings aren't automatically stupid or vacuous. In this context, I was referring to your interpretation of my comment about evidence for an afterlife. Reread what I wrote with that in mind.
JoshuaZelinsky 4 months ago
@clunkymonk As to your other remark- as I attempted to explain, I'd like there to be an afterlife, but the evidence doesn't support it. This has nothing to do with religious beliefs. This is an issue of where the evidence lies. There's no plausible mechanism for an afterlife, and no two societies agree on what the afterlife is like, and all attempts to search for one have failed. That's sad. I have a lot of dead friends and family members I'd like to see. But wanting doesn't make it so.
JoshuaZelinsky 4 months ago
@JoshuaZelinsky Reread it.... and it says the same thing.
Like I said, those are your religious beliefs in there being no afterlife, affirmed by assumptions about how science could be applied to it. I might even share those religious beliefs, but it would be just lying to oneself to say that those assumptions are "evidence." Once again, good for you, man.
clunkymonk 4 months ago
@clunkymonk You don't seem to understand what the word "parse" means. Parsing a sentence isn't about how you write. It is about how you interpret what other people are writing. You continually interpret sentences in ways which make them stupid or which make them attacks on you when they aren't. It isn't useful. You are welcome to reread what I've wrote and see if you can get anything useful out of it keeping that in mind. Otherwise I think we're done here.
JoshuaZelinsky 4 months ago
@JoshuaZelinsky I was quite aware of what parse means right from the start. You should go back and reread what I wrote with that in mind... does that sound stupid? Because you've been saying it over and over. You can make whatever excuse you want, but in the end, yeah, you are done here.
clunkymonk 4 months ago
@JoshuaZelinsky Oh, I have to mention the other assumption that you used as evidence against ghosts. You said that not every culture has ghost stories. So that's evidence against ghosts according to the Law of Equivalent Dispersal of Spiritual Entities?
I'm not exactly sure how a lack of understanding about dark matter would cause someone anxiety. Now the idea that there are entities active in our world that we can never know, that's actually kinda disturbing.
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clunkymonk 4 months ago
@clunkymonk I'm confused by your claims about anxiety. So you first decide where other people should get anxiety from and then decide that that must be relevant? The point of the dark matter issue is that scientists are perfectly willing to say "I don't know." and try to understand something more. Lack of knowledge is not an issue.
JoshuaZelinsky 4 months ago
@clunkymonk Most of your issues seem unlikely to prove "anxiety". I do have some fear of death, but that's more because I doubt there's an afterlife, not because of it. If I saw evidence for an afterlife that looked good, I'd be happier. Unfortunately, that evidence doesn't seem to exist. As to your other questions- aliens being around would similarly be really neat. Among other things we'd have less worry about the Great Filter. But again, no evidence.
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clunkymonk 4 months ago
@clunkymonk No. It doesn't just come down to believing their claims. They can be quite sincere and still wrong. I get sleep paralysis; I've seen ghosts, aliens, demons, and the Borg. Simply witnessing something is not good evidence. But if something is real and you are patient you can design an experiment to test it. For example, ghosts can be tested by having people sleep in a claimed haunted or non-haunted house without them knowing which one they are in and seeing if experiences differ.
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clunkymonk 4 months ago
@clunkymonk I'm not using my experience to dismiss others. I'm using it as an example of the many mundane things that can seem to be a ghost experience. Taken together with other evidence (like the fact that the entire idea of ghosts as we understand them only shows up in some specific cultures and not others), it seems like an extremely unlikely hypothesis. But if you can carefully control the set-up then you should be able to test the claims. So far all careful such tests have failed.
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clunkymonk 4 months ago
@clunkymonk If they take a long time for ghosts to appear then one can do long-term experiments. That's not an issue. Scientists do long-term experiments all the time. Look at for example the Supernova Early Warning System which is set up to detect particles from nearby supernova. It will probably take at least 40 or 50 years before they get one. Time is not an issue. We can be patient.
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clunkymonk 4 months ago
@clunkymonk The supernova is that scientists are more than willing to do longterm experiments if that's what it takes.
As to going to "video to video" I've made a handful of comments on four of the Science of Scams videos, and I never said anyone was dumb. You seem to be taking things very personally, and seem to be trying to personalize this about my beliefs. The goal of discussion should be to get a closer approximation to the truth. Turning that into a personal battle isn't helpful.
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clunkymonk 4 months ago
@clunkymonk What does it mean for something to not be scientifically testable? If we aren't patient enough we can test longterm ghost claims or demons, unless you think that they are actively trying to avoid being tested. If it has no predictable result why hypothesize it?
Re:idea I'd get anxiety from thinking there are things I don't know; that's an obnoxious assumption. I don't know a lot. And we don't know much. We don't know what dark matter is for example. But we're always learning.
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clunkymonk 4 months ago
@clunkymonk What? No not at all. No one needs to show any cause and effect. The criterion generally focus on them doing some action that should be extremely unlikely by normal means. Look at the douser. The test doesn't see if they are actually dousing, or talking to God, or using an invisible leprechaun assistant. The test purely looks at can they do what they say they can do.
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clunkymonk 4 months ago
@DevinFilms66792 oh yeah!
spaceghost30082 5 months ago
so fucking what.... in fact i turned it off when i saw that beady shit
MrDrakeponder 5 months ago
A SCAM THAT THEY THEMSELVES INVENTED TO PROVE THEMSELVES THAT THEY WERE... Scamming... People... Using... Science..?
Either way, of course it was a scam... YOU MADE IT!
Alvsyn 5 months ago
WTF!!! this was a waste of time. If I wanted to know about a hoax, then I would have searched for that. They didn't explain anything! >=(
DarciaMoonz 6 months ago
ah now that's just great, now everyone on youtube is gonna make ghost videos like there's no tomorrow.
skullreaper1997 6 months ago
guys thats the same character in the ring
moona5454 6 months ago
Derren
dinodude1100 6 months ago
@30teckno agree 100%
tH3sUbL1m1nALn33d 6 months ago
all of you dumb asses... i ask you... does the cameraman saw that??? but why does the camera can see it..??
castellwooden 6 months ago
@castellwooden "but why does the camera can see it..??"
Did you never learn to read/write? Seriously, how ... ?
MrVinushka 6 months ago
I'm surprised they didn't use a little girl with long black hair and a white dress like in every other ghost vid on youtube.
63gstone 6 months ago
that effect looks awesome, im glad they said ghost on film because i have had my own personal ghost experiences and i can say THEY ARE REAL but yea i do think like 99% of not every last one of these videos on youtube are edited to make it seem like theres a ghost, i'd say the most convicing ones are the ones that show over night footage
NineTailedNaruto98 7 months ago
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xLunatiCXz 7 months ago
I have been catching paranormal phenomena on tape for the past couple of days. If you are interested in checking these videos out, please search "Paranormal Phenomena Caught on Tape Trent Arant" on Youtube.
Genesimmonsrocks 7 months ago
i've seen better acting in a porno.
Joshglz 8 months ago 21
LOL THE BEST PART WAS SEEING IT RIPED OFFA A VIDEO I SAW BEFORE XD!
pokemonlover223 8 months ago
I knew it was fake,i could tell,whats their point? They assume we think its real.Thats arrogant of them in my opinion.
DaAlphaOmega 8 months ago
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what a bunch of trashy losers get a life freaks
davidnco1 8 months ago
what a bunch of trashy losers
davidnco1 8 months ago
She was wearing white no blue
MrVegas498 8 months ago
was science of scam is on tv once?
asherleez 8 months ago
Well of course this ghost on film is fake since it was rigged. All you did was show people how to fake a ghost apparation. I don`t really believe in ghost myself, but this really doesn`t disprove anything.
stjackie 8 months ago
omg lets just get the wambulance for your problem....................mouthatitus
brattykid911 8 months ago
Debunkers are BORING! Some you tube ghosts are fake no shit who cares it's more fun though to believe it. Spooky!
Sleepingplanet1 8 months ago
i thought it was real at first. haha good one
kevincap13 9 months ago
I am so doing this for my next prank on my friend :D
rinkagamine991 9 months ago
This kat girl is intellegent ;P
Homestarcheese 9 months ago
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I'm trying this on my friend one day.
imafilipinoguy 10 months ago
wait a minute, I noticed that a guy looked back in the door. Did he see a ghost or not?
blacktexas21 10 months ago
thanks for ruining all the fun assholes!
Bigbootyredbone1 10 months ago
DUDE YOUR MESSED UP!!! U GUYZ CANT PROVE ANYTHING!
FunnySocksRight 10 months ago
omg she sawr it, she sawr it
OdoubleTO 10 months ago
@OdoubleTO Oh right yeah thought you would be an American.
xBeautifulOrdinaryx 10 months ago
You need to try the 13horror
TheNewYorkTimes100 10 months ago
@27182818R We watch YouTube videos for the same reason we watch TV. We read the comments for the same reason we read the junk people write on bathroom walls.
JervisGermane 10 months ago
@MewKiri Well, proving that something IS fake doesn't prove that something else isn't, but it raises some questions, which as the announcer guy says, isn't the point. Ghosts haven't been proven either way, and there are many more people interested in raising questions for money or attention than trying to find answers. They've demonstrated a rational example on one side, and there are none so far on the other.
JervisGermane 10 months ago
Now that I have watched this video I am going to pick it apart, point out how stupid I think it is; even though it is actually quite interesting. Then I am going to get needlessly angry with the people who made it and assert that the whole thing was completely pointless. In this way I will manage to miss the point that it was just meant to be a little bit of entertainment and be proud of my own achievement of being a prat. God I love youtube! Its just so much better then TV!
27182818R 11 months ago
Do you believe in ghosts? You will now....
soulbliminal 11 months ago
So basically what they did, is that since science can't explain paranormal phenomena, these assholes put up a whole SET up to TRICK them into believing that there's a ghost wherever. But in REAL investigations there are no pre set-ups to, nothing put there for anyone so that whoever wants to make the audience believe that ghosts are real; where I live NOONE has any setup bs, like these assholes did; this place, just spend the night and you'll know something's going on, shit you just cnt explain
fuckbees666 11 months ago
@fuckbees666 are you really trying to suggest that their are body entities that are floating around with nothing better to do than to freak people out. All those ghost hunter shows are the bull shit. This is actually real and you criticize it.
thesexysithguy 11 months ago
it funny how the video on the video where it has the play button is not on the (II)
Suzie262 1 year ago
@Suzie262 The video is cut over a youtube page, so as it can put the footage into fullscreen effortlessly without losing quality.
Rather than showing the footage from the youtube page and then letting youtube put it into fullscreen.
kllr101 1 year ago
I HATE FAKE GHOST FOOTAGE, ALL "GHOST FOOTAGE" IS FAKE....STUPID PEOPLE!
kukhufvud 1 year ago
I hate it when the ghost has to be a little girl in a dress... omg
lolyjoly123 1 year ago
friends like this would piss me off, "Whats wrong emily, whats wrong?" SMFH! *SLAAP**
thatshilariousalexis 1 year ago 22
cool effect
SAOTUBE 1 year ago
hahah damn that was pretty good, too bad it could just be some girl in white moving out of the way once she scared the shit out of that girl pretty impressive though made my day
AnnaHellsing 1 year ago
Stop with the bullshit your fucking asshole, way to ruin the fun for people'z fucking DICK..
SuperEvolution18 1 year ago
@muzicmast3r there's no fun involved with these things, specially when people try to get your money with these scams. Showing the truth here is pretty remarkable and way more respectable than those who try to fool you.
lapape1 1 year ago
This is a famous illusion, most will probably know this trick used in the famous Walt Disney attraction Haunted Mansion.
ForeverLacey09 1 year ago
Thats funny because I actually took a REAL picture of a ghost and the EXIF data on the original jpg file can prove that IT IS NOT photoshopped. Fucking idiots trying to convince you that science has the explanation. Fuck you morons.
KristophM 1 year ago
@KristophM we don't talk about photoshop tard... it's a reflection with some classes... that's all
evilbleezard 1 year ago
@KristophM Calm down... this is just a cheap trick that makes the explaination on SOME ghost videos, to clean out the scammers who fails misserably. Thank god for them getting wiped out. But ghosts do exist within other pictures and movies, this was just one way of explaining the phenomonon.
mollebjornen 1 year ago
@mollebjornen - if SOME ghost videos are fake, and can be shown to be fake, then the chance that they ALL are is much greater than ANY of them being real. Google "Occam's Razor".
JBofBrisbane 1 year ago
@JBofBrisbane That's correct. I wont start to call any real before i've seen it with my own eyes. However, i have, unfortunately for myself, been able to capture a few pictures were something unexplaiable have appeared, and i do not know how it ended there. Rest assured that i have tried to debunk the hell out of it, but its not possible. - But to stay to the subject, everything should have a go at being debunked. But heck, i don't know.
mollebjornen 1 year ago
@KristophM - you took a photo with something on it that you can't explain - argumentum ad ignoratum, you made the jump to "ghost" without considering what else might have caused it.
Science isn't something you believe in - it's something you do.
JBofBrisbane 1 year ago
@ALLOFYOUPEOPLE
What ever LOL i just wanted to put a comment on you tube. LMAO
ABK 1 year ago
stupid people revealing scams who cares. they ruin the fun for people. :/
muzicmast3r 1 year ago
stop! why would people tell us this! let us be scared, feel scared, and SEE wat we see!... probably doesnt make sense :D
casasj221 1 year ago
the 1st is not real ! shes laughing under the arms !
MsEndi123 1 year ago
I really like these videos. There really interesting and fun to watch, and too see how various illusions and happenings that may seem out of the ordinary, can have a rational explanation behind it. But despite this, I really believe that there are things in this world that defies both logic and reason.
dazza2151 1 year ago
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pauldodsoniii 1 year ago
LOL damit I want to seee something real for once
ladybrisen777 1 year ago
@ladybrisen777 i know man!
Evangeline30575 1 year ago
Old news, a shadow can also be faked with
ease. Shadows of ghosts are simply projected
from a distance, hidden under a closet or a bed.
Never trust people, they can easily pull your leg.
Ruttie2 1 year ago
Cool, how to fake a ghost.
Gonegoodforever 1 year ago
really so you ppl dont believe in ghost huh??
knightmare2191 1 year ago
People who go on YouTube looking for spelling errors need to get a fucking a life.seriously every 10th comment is the grammer police.no one gives a fuck enough to respond to comments except these fucking Assholes who think the Internet is just a pile of homework.go get laid you pitiful fucks.your not going to get a reward and the person that doesn't care about grammer definetly doesn't care about you.
spedmental 1 year ago
@spedmental,
I think you mean "you're," not "your." :p
05lowell05 1 year ago
@spedmental thank u
PrinceGTful 1 year ago
I scene a black ghost...and a black vampire called blackula.
spedmental 1 year ago
@spedmental You make me choke on my gum.
Thanks alot.
Graymoths 1 year ago
At the begining i thought it was just a mirror ... lol, at saw it from the start
LOLZ4LEON 1 year ago
I must ask why would any one try to prove that paranormal even exists anymore when you guys make fake footage I mean whats the point because with all of the fake stuff out there how are you or the world going to be able to believe the real stuff when you see it
deadman5281 1 year ago
Uhhh
TheAnatron 1 year ago
Why aren't their ever any black ghost?
AllMyWordz 1 year ago 97
@AllMyWordz maybe white people need to settle the score more often
ty1977 1 year ago
@AllMyWordz Because you cant see them! There too dark to be ghost.
ZedCarmine 1 year ago
@AllMyWordz Or...... Why aren't there any ghosts of dinosaurs....? Or other extinct species...
steveecker 1 year ago
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@AllMyWordz haha they are all racist
TheJackinder 1 year ago
@AllMyWordz Or Asian ones for that matter.
Graymoths 1 year ago
@AllMyWordz hhahahahhaah
ImKraush 1 year ago
@AllMyWordz there are but they're mor southern places, like slaves from plantations ans thingz. :D
ThePoliceComedyShow 1 year ago
@AllMyWordz or asian
darniforgotify 1 year ago
@AllMyWordz Hahahahaha xD
hermanessences 1 year ago
@AllMyWordz you asked why arnt there ever any black ghosts because some ghosts are from the civil war do you want a white ghost from like 200 to 300 years ago in slaving your black ghost ass
jarreddarren 1 year ago
@AllMyWordz
Ghosts are white even they are black end of story.. ")
6Bene 1 year ago
@6Bene true it's only after they're dead when they've finally reached perfection!
5t00g 9 months ago
@5t00g
You racistic scum! )
6Bene 9 months ago