If Indians being related to Israel is disproven by no DNA evidence, then lack of DNA linking Israel to many nations proves the lost tribes are extinct, thus the latter-day predictions concerning them are false; also the predictions that Joseph would be many nations is obviously false, thus the Bible is false. However, since DNA manipulation disproves Adam & Eve it doesn't matter. The alternative is that the scriptures are true & these anti LDS experts' interpretation of DNA isn't perfect.
Also the accepted DNA model timeline for man is much longer than the “timeline” in the Bible, which has Adam’s fall ~6000 years ago. The Biblical timeline mandates development of the races (& changing of DNA) at a much quicker rate; in fact the DNA model is based on the great misunderstanding that DNA is very stable. These anti-LDS DNA “experts” shouldn’t have determined their knowledge was perfect. Further discoveries in epigenetics will humble them.
Samples of population have always been miniscule. For instance political polls may only sample 2000 people nationwide, yet these polls end up being surprisingly accurate. So, if there were a DNA sample of 2000 people sampled in central america, that would be a robust sampling. So why is it that DNA evidence of Hebraic DNA have been found all over Africa?
"You and I know that many [threats] to happiness are wrong because they are contrary to God's will," he said. Yet they are championed by persuasive people possessing more ability than morality, more knowledge than wisdom. Their convenient rationalization provides self-consoling justification.
A plague endemic to modern times is the proliferation of persuasive voices seeking to gain precedence over eternal truths. Beware of such persuasion, Elder Nelson counseled.
But he was firm and steady in keeping his commitments. He soon married his girlfriend Alejandra and accepted the Spirit's witness of the gospel. In three weeks, on their planned date, they were baptized. They spoke of the joy that comes from baptism and the love of supportive ward members.
He was ready the following morning when missionaries arrived at his house at 10:40 to accompany him to Church. Also dressed for meetings were his girlfriend and her mother, his 7-year-old son, and his father. During the next three hours, they met the members of the Rinconada Ward.
During the next three weeks, Marco and his family faced a variety of challenges before being baptized.
Marco listened as the missionaries shared the truths of the gospel. He accepted their invitation to attend Church meetings the next day. He also committed to read, ponder and pray, and seriously consider the challenge to be baptized in three weeks.
So what this video is saying is that: Just because no Israelite DNA is found in Native Americans doesn't necessarily mean there is none...we just haven't found it yet.
and also that the Kazars and some Middle-Easterns peoples were converts and have no Israelite DNA whereas the Lembas have.
What, did the descendents of the Israelites not intermarry/mix with the Kazars and other peoples over the past few centuries? There are Jews from those regions who are Kohens. But no Native Americans
Fair attempt. I'm willing to take a second look if you CAN produce the "correct" specimens for DNA analysis, and archaeological evidence that will support the Book of Mormon, but until then, your attempts to rebuttal the existing evidence remains unsubstantiated.
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed." Galation1:8,9
This is exactly what it means... GOD is not a man that HE can lie....
history has proven the original bible. Thru archeology and using it as a guide to find the cities and peoples it has talked about. So history has proven the bible. while the book of Mormon can't even prove not one of its cities stated have been found. nor any evidence of the tremendous battles that supposedly took place. while the secular world have proven the bible countless times.
There is much viable evidence that points to the book of Mormon as plausible. please don't make this mistake, try watching the video before you comment in ignorance.
No one ever said it was in Alabama genius! Mormons say it was in Missouri! Gosh if you're going to insult Mormons then get the state right you freaking moron! And there was nothing in America before Native Americans? What? Are you an expert on history or archaeology? I think not! Actually there was a professor from The Worldwide Church Of God who has no connection to Mormons proved that there were many people in America before the Native Americans and at the same time that Native Americans
It was Missouri, not Alabama. The truth is, whether it was in Missouri or not, there is no way to prove where it actually was. People want to place it in the "old world," but before the flood, the world looked a lot different than it does today. The Garden of Eden could have been on any continent, but very few are able to open their minds enough to grasp that concept. Everyone wants to place the garden where the rest of post-flood history took place. We will all know someday.
It's ironic how one the organizations who is responsible for so much geneology, and the literal gathering of Israel through both spirtitual and scriptual inspiration is now being buffeted by those who have no literal reference point other than their own speculation. It's deja vu all over again. IE the potter"s clay. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
@fairldsorg scholars? all ive heard is discussion on the validity of DNA...and we already have discovered that it just doesnt affect what we/you are looking for. Perfect example of starting from the conclusion, and working backwards to attempt to justify it.
@MrOzGuitar Yes scholars. I am not aware of a serious search for middle east DNA in the indians. BoM people were just some of the indians, not all indians. However, I think ancient European DNA has been found in Native americans, many people were here before columbus, egyptians, japaense, africans. Anyways, maybe someday there will be a serious experiments to search for Middle east DNA in the indians.
@MrOzGuitar BoM people are believed to have been among the mayas (by scholars). I am not saying that the BoM people were all the mayas, but they were among them.
@TheSkepticChristian From what I have read, Mayan culture was considered established circa 1800 B.C. The Book of Mormon reports Lehi(excuse me if im wrong), in the new world circa 559 b.c. Wouldnt you see a major cultural shift in the mayans? New technologies, new customs? The next major change in mayan culture is not reported until 250 A.D. There has been a search for middle eastern D.N.A, and mayan and native americans are close to Russian D.N.A, than middle eastern..
@MrOzGuitar The Lehites numbered less than 30 people when they arrived in the Americas. It would be near impossible to see a shift in an already established civilization with such a small infusion of people.
If Indians being related to Israel is disproven by no DNA evidence, then lack of DNA linking Israel to many nations proves the lost tribes are extinct, thus the latter-day predictions concerning them are false; also the predictions that Joseph would be many nations is obviously false, thus the Bible is false. However, since DNA manipulation disproves Adam & Eve it doesn't matter. The alternative is that the scriptures are true & these anti LDS experts' interpretation of DNA isn't perfect.
jzwillows 11 months ago
Also the accepted DNA model timeline for man is much longer than the “timeline” in the Bible, which has Adam’s fall ~6000 years ago. The Biblical timeline mandates development of the races (& changing of DNA) at a much quicker rate; in fact the DNA model is based on the great misunderstanding that DNA is very stable. These anti-LDS DNA “experts” shouldn’t have determined their knowledge was perfect. Further discoveries in epigenetics will humble them.
jzwillows 11 months ago
Samples of population have always been miniscule. For instance political polls may only sample 2000 people nationwide, yet these polls end up being surprisingly accurate. So, if there were a DNA sample of 2000 people sampled in central america, that would be a robust sampling. So why is it that DNA evidence of Hebraic DNA have been found all over Africa?
GmaM11 1 year ago
"You and I know that many [threats] to happiness are wrong because they are contrary to God's will," he said. Yet they are championed by persuasive people possessing more ability than morality, more knowledge than wisdom. Their convenient rationalization provides self-consoling justification.
omiolo 2 years ago
Contemporary challenges
A plague endemic to modern times is the proliferation of persuasive voices seeking to gain precedence over eternal truths. Beware of such persuasion, Elder Nelson counseled.
omiolo 2 years ago
But he was firm and steady in keeping his commitments. He soon married his girlfriend Alejandra and accepted the Spirit's witness of the gospel. In three weeks, on their planned date, they were baptized. They spoke of the joy that comes from baptism and the love of supportive ward members.
omiolo 2 years ago
He was ready the following morning when missionaries arrived at his house at 10:40 to accompany him to Church. Also dressed for meetings were his girlfriend and her mother, his 7-year-old son, and his father. During the next three hours, they met the members of the Rinconada Ward.
During the next three weeks, Marco and his family faced a variety of challenges before being baptized.
omiolo 2 years ago
Marco listened as the missionaries shared the truths of the gospel. He accepted their invitation to attend Church meetings the next day. He also committed to read, ponder and pray, and seriously consider the challenge to be baptized in three weeks.
omiolo 2 years ago
So what this video is saying is that: Just because no Israelite DNA is found in Native Americans doesn't necessarily mean there is none...we just haven't found it yet.
and also that the Kazars and some Middle-Easterns peoples were converts and have no Israelite DNA whereas the Lembas have.
What, did the descendents of the Israelites not intermarry/mix with the Kazars and other peoples over the past few centuries? There are Jews from those regions who are Kohens. But no Native Americans
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LDSapologist71 2 years ago
do we know what Israelite DNA from 600 BC looks like, especially from the tribe of Manasseh?
/you didn't think this through did you
omiolo 2 years ago
Fair attempt. I'm willing to take a second look if you CAN produce the "correct" specimens for DNA analysis, and archaeological evidence that will support the Book of Mormon, but until then, your attempts to rebuttal the existing evidence remains unsubstantiated.
mmpjuly291 2 years ago
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed." Galation1:8,9
This is exactly what it means... GOD is not a man that HE can lie....
Ccheffs 2 years ago
I love these guys and all their knowledge and efforts.
vender1980 2 years ago
history has proven the original bible. Thru archeology and using it as a guide to find the cities and peoples it has talked about. So history has proven the bible. while the book of Mormon can't even prove not one of its cities stated have been found. nor any evidence of the tremendous battles that supposedly took place. while the secular world have proven the bible countless times.
hwnkirby08 2 years ago
There is much viable evidence that points to the book of Mormon as plausible. please don't make this mistake, try watching the video before you comment in ignorance.
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ikinessi 2 years ago
the garden of eden isnt in alabama and besides native americans there was nothing in america
rabble000 3 years ago
No one ever said it was in Alabama genius! Mormons say it was in Missouri! Gosh if you're going to insult Mormons then get the state right you freaking moron! And there was nothing in America before Native Americans? What? Are you an expert on history or archaeology? I think not! Actually there was a professor from The Worldwide Church Of God who has no connection to Mormons proved that there were many people in America before the Native Americans and at the same time that Native Americans
antony1985 3 years ago 3
were here!William F. Dankenbring was the professor who did the research on it!
antony1985 3 years ago 2
Yes, because that professor is a renown one due to his amazing research
not,
he didn't prove anything, not to other intelligent thinkers and scholars that is
majesticdragoon 2 years ago
It was Missouri, not Alabama. The truth is, whether it was in Missouri or not, there is no way to prove where it actually was. People want to place it in the "old world," but before the flood, the world looked a lot different than it does today. The Garden of Eden could have been on any continent, but very few are able to open their minds enough to grasp that concept. Everyone wants to place the garden where the rest of post-flood history took place. We will all know someday.
vicki68 3 years ago 4
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ikinessi 2 years ago
It's ironic how one the organizations who is responsible for so much geneology, and the literal gathering of Israel through both spirtitual and scriptual inspiration is now being buffeted by those who have no literal reference point other than their own speculation. It's deja vu all over again. IE the potter"s clay. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
canadianbacon007 3 years ago 6
View: : Realistic Book of Mormon Evidences & DNA
I can full heartedly testify, I have a "sure knowledge" that the Book of Mormon is true.
I know it is a true account & divine history of the ancient people here on the Americas.
The LDS Church belongs to Christ.
Jesus Christ governs it!
The Book of Mormon is about Christ.
The Book of Mormon testifies of Christ and his dealings with this ancient people.
The Book is true.
Read it, pray about it & you will know it too!
skyaglow 3 years ago 2
excellent comment concerning the 4 generation of a family tree
enlightening
thank you
skyaglow 3 years ago 3
Thank you for posting this
skyaglow 3 years ago 2
yeahhh
back2thefutre 3 years ago
Has your work survived the peer review process outside of the LDS community?
2ool8 3 years ago
These scholars are just going over the basics of population genetics, something the critics ignored. So yes, it is VERY reveiwed.
fairldsorg 3 years ago
@fairldsorg scholars? all ive heard is discussion on the validity of DNA...and we already have discovered that it just doesnt affect what we/you are looking for. Perfect example of starting from the conclusion, and working backwards to attempt to justify it.
MrOzGuitar 11 months ago
@MrOzGuitar Yes scholars. I am not aware of a serious search for middle east DNA in the indians. BoM people were just some of the indians, not all indians. However, I think ancient European DNA has been found in Native americans, many people were here before columbus, egyptians, japaense, africans. Anyways, maybe someday there will be a serious experiments to search for Middle east DNA in the indians.
TheSkepticChristian 11 months ago
@MrOzGuitar BoM people are believed to have been among the mayas (by scholars). I am not saying that the BoM people were all the mayas, but they were among them.
TheSkepticChristian 11 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian From what I have read, Mayan culture was considered established circa 1800 B.C. The Book of Mormon reports Lehi(excuse me if im wrong), in the new world circa 559 b.c. Wouldnt you see a major cultural shift in the mayans? New technologies, new customs? The next major change in mayan culture is not reported until 250 A.D. There has been a search for middle eastern D.N.A, and mayan and native americans are close to Russian D.N.A, than middle eastern..
MrOzGuitar 11 months ago
@MrOzGuitar The Lehites numbered less than 30 people when they arrived in the Americas. It would be near impossible to see a shift in an already established civilization with such a small infusion of people.
fairldsorg 11 months ago
@MrOzGuitar Yea, and also my educated hypothesis is that the nephites influenced the pre-classic mayas. That's why they turned into Classic mayas.
TheSkepticChristian 11 months ago
Thanks for posting this. Very interesting.
ChristopherMillz 3 years ago