Why some verses of the Quran Abrogated? Dr Zakir Naik

[hwud1]

so let me guess... it is the SALAFI VIRUS again, that believes in contradiction-of-some-verses and non-applicability of abrogated verses?

[MegaBoxer77]

@MrStrumhard

The earth is created first, then the heavens with 2:29. 041.010

YUSUFALI: He set on the (earth), mountains standing firm, high above it, and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measure therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in four Days (four thousand years being that one day to Allah is a thousand years of our reconning), in accordance with (the needs of) those who seek (Sustenance). 041.011

YUSUFALI: Moreover He comprehended in His

[MegaBoxer77]

@MegaBoxer77

041.011

YUSUFALI: Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke:

But in 79:30: made heavens THEN earth.

[zrbahar]

@MegaBoxer77 Brother... Unfortunately... your translation of the verse was wrong.

Verse 77-78 speaks about creation of heaven

79 : And the earth, moreover, hath He extended

(to a wide expanse);

it says, AND THE EARTH... not THEN THE EARTH...

For a proper and full explaination, i prefer you buy the Translation and meaning of the Qur'an by YUSUF ALI, because i have just started studying comparative religion, Yusuf ali would give a more logical explaination compared to my one.

Assalamu-alaikum

[MegaBoxer77]

I admit that the Quran in one part says the sky came first, but, if you read THIS part of the Quran, the earth comes first THEN the stars. Remember, after Allah creates the earth, They (Allah) then turn Their (Allah) attention to the sky, which, until that time, was smoke.

[zrbahar]

@MegaBoxer77 " but, if you read THIS part of the Quran, the earth comes first THEN the stars."

Brother WHICH PART???? your reference was 79:30... and you quoted " made heavens THEN earth."

and now your saying earth comes first then stars!!!

The only contradiction i see is in your quotations!!!

[MegaBoxer77]

@zrbahar

Would you like me to present both Quranic scriptures? The one that has the earth first THEN the stars and then the one that seems to go with modern science? By the way, in one version of the Quran, the earth is created first, and it's about four days till Allah turns Their attention to the sky. Did you know that an Allah day is a "thousand years of our reconning"? That means the earth was without the sky for about 4 thousand years if THAT part of the Quran is true.

[zrbahar]

@MegaBoxer77 Brother... would be happy if you give the reference...

it is only if you give me a proper reference that i can answer your doubt.

[MegaBoxer77]

@zrbahar

Which reference do you want? The one where the sky is created after the earth, or, one day of Allah being a thousand years of our reconning (making is to the earth would be four thousand years without a sky IF the sky comes later AFTER the earth?

[zrbahar]

@MegaBoxer77 brother... whatever the statements you are talking about. i want a proper reference for all of them... i know abt the 1000years thingy...

please, present your reference for all your claims/accusations/statements.­..

[MegaBoxer77]

2:29 and 41:9-12 says Allah created the Earth before the heavens.

But 79:27-30 suggests heaven was created first.

79:27-30 and 55:7 says the sky was "raised up".

22:65 says Allah holds the sky up and keeps it from falling to Earth.

31:10 repeats this, saying the sky is help up with pillars. That would seem the Earth was created before the sky was "raised up" and held there with (invisible) pillars.

So which is it? Sky first, or Earth first? I tell you what. Since YOU know the "origin

[MegaBoxer77]

Since YOU know the "classical Arabic", put how it's suppost to REALLY sound, ok? Or, will you resort to al taqqiya and make up stuff?

[darkrid3r7]

@MegaBoxer77 youtube(.)com/watch?v=Xk61hslL­Hlw

[darkrid3r7]

@MegaBoxer77

2:29 says He created the Earth and then the 7 heavens.

41:9-12 suggests same order as above.

79:27-30: "[..] And after that He spread the earth." Notice the word "spread" (not "created"). Maybe, "spread" with humans.

55:7: "And the heaven He raised and imposed the balance." Indeed, Heaven was after the Earth.

22:65: "And He restrains the sky from falling upon the earth, unless by His permission.". No order mentioned here.

31:10: Earth before Heavens.

Ref: quran(.)com

[MegaBoxer77]

@zrbahar

Sounds like you are presenting the part of the Quran that matches up with modern science and not the part of the Quran that contradicts it.

[MrHappytaffy]

i respect zakir very much but to tell you the truth his accent is like "virus" in 3 idiots :P Well it does not mean i hate him i just think so :P

[MegaBoxer77]

No contradictions in the Quran? What about where it says the earth is formed first, then the sky, or, that the sky is formed first, then the earth?

[aftazita]

we require scholars like zakir naik.may allah bless him 4 his outstanding jihad.mashaallah

[SeashoreaTRUTH11]

Dear brother Dr. Zakir Naik,

may Allah swt bless you and bless you and bless you for this speech, I love you for Allah swt, may Allah swt reward you and reward you inschallah, mashallah, I was putting this topic so often in exact this way and muslim in Germany were pointing me kafir , alhamdulillah may Allah swt reward this treasure for Islam Umma- nowadays: Dr. Zakir Naik.

[routermen]

Respect betul Dr Rakir Naik ni .. mmg clear tul penjelasan dia

[szuberi]

Abbrogation is the biggest lie against the Quran.

[SeashoreaTRUTH11]

@szuberi jazak Allahu kehiran, believe me scholar of abrogation sure will burn in hellfire no matter who, because they contradicted Allah swt, they will burn again and again. Abrogation is the biggest crime in Islam , only this has made violence in Islam possible only this let the satan in to get muslim in trap because they did not believe Allah swt those who said abrogation avoids contradiction, may they burn

[SeashoreaTRUTH11]

@SeashoreaTRUTH11 this who said only their scholar abrogation makes coran complete- may they burn, thos who say hadeeth abrogate coran, may they burn, those who say this vers is abrogated in terms of nulified may they burn and burn, the criminals in Islam. NOw I tell you, christians made up lie Jesus is god, jews that only being jew you can enter paradiese, and muslim abrogation, all of us are full with sins before Allah swt.

[12ut5]

In one place it says Muslims can marry unbelievers, in another they can't. Can you say C O N T R A D I C T I O N ?

[La19000]

@12ut5 An exception is made for Muslim MEN to marry chaste or pious Jewish and Christian women, who are referred to as "People of the Book." This comes from the understanding that Jews and Christians share similar religious outlooks - a BELIEF IN ONE GOD, following the COMMANDMENTS of Allah.

do not marry IDOL WORSHIPERS (Qur'an 2:221). And since Jesus is not God to us. They r idol worshipers and we cant marry them. Unlike Christians in the old days believe in one God. There's NO CONTRADICTION

[12ut5]

@La19000 The Quran says, "Do not marry unbelieving women [idolaters], until they believe" (2:221), and, "They indeed have disbelieved who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Marry" (5:17), or, Christians are unbelievers. The Quran then says, "[Lawful unto you in marriage] are [not only] chaste women who are believers, but chaste women among the People of the Book.... (5:5), or, unbelieving women, or Christians who are unbelievers. Interesting, too, how Muslim women can't marry Christians.

[ihatereality94]

Allahuakbar... Zakir Naik is mashAllah a great scholar.. may Allah protect him

[lakshubidak]

this means the quran says for one thing the punishment of house arrest or allah gives them a way OUT of this punishment...no radschm anywhere...

and the other one is about fornication before marriage....

[lakshubidak]

i am no scholar... and i dont want to offend any body but i dont agree with him concerning radschm....

lets put ahadith by side for the moment...

it is clear from the verse in chapter 4 that god is speaking of : your wifes

so about married women

The punishment is clear and evident from the verse... there is not a single word of radschm... were is the word stoning?

That means that the quranic verse is in contradiction to ahadith

and in the other verse it is talking about fornication...

[lakshubidak]

abrogation in islam Forbidden:

surat al baqara 84-85:

After this it is ye, the same people, who slay among yourselves, and banish a party of you from their homes; assist (Their enemies) against them, in guilt and rancour; and if they come to you as captives, ye ransom them, though it was not lawful for you to banish them. Then is it only a part of the Book that ye believe in, and DO YOU REJECT THE REST?

[Freethinker9110]

I agree with naik this time. he is the only scholar so far who I have heard that has not agreed to the Holy Quran having contradictions. The only one who has not said that Allah edited the Quran by erasing and replacing verses. i commend this explanation in fact. In this matter he is not misguided.

[Afgsusan1]

I dont know how any one who isnt muslim think the quran is not the word of God

The Quran=Zero contradictions or errors(and you think you know one,you probably are taking the verse out of contex)

And the bible obviously has thousands of contradictions

Isnt that proof enough that Islam is the Truth?

[majidkasamji]

very good

[ishfaque10]

very accurate analysis........alhamdulilah!! Allah bless zakir naik and all of the faithful believers!!

[samsite862]

There is some editing at 3:48

[hmohdkhan]

@samsite862 Peace be upon you brother

Thanx a lot for the correction just a second 0:01 of the video is left in editing for some reason ...

3:47 ..for this ALLAH has given two options...

This phrase is missed... :)

Thanx again brother

[jailstop]

If your gonna give weight to hadtih to make the Quran make sense then do you also feel that Adam was 90 feet tall? and that the sun revolves around the Earth? Or that the Jews came from rats? All of this is found in hadiths that are considered solid according to Shabir Alley. Shabir Alley doesn't accept all solid from the solid six haiths books.

[jailstop]

Also here is an easy and fast contraction

"So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not "Three" - Cease! (it is) better for you! ... S. 4:171 Pickthall" The Qur'an is very clear:

[jailstop]

People should believe in Allah and His messengers and not say the word "three." More specifically, they should not say the Arabic word for three.

On the other hand, Muslims are expected to recite the Qur'an in Arabic. Traditionally, at least during Ramadan, the complete Qur'an is recited in most mosques. That is impossible to do without also reciting the word for three in this verse (and plenty of other verses as well, cf. S. 2:196, 228, 3:41, 4:3, 19:10, 24:58, 56:7, 77:30, etc.).

[jailstop]

Now granted that is some major childish nitpicking! Its an argument that I cut and paste from a hater site but still if the Qu'ran was really word for word the word of God it wouldn't have any room for technicality correct nitpicking now matter how childish *lol

[jailstop]

Also yes I know when taken in the correct context the verse is not a problem but wouldn't God be able to give a message and be correct on all counts at the same time?

[playthefield21]

@jailstop This issue has been addressed in the Quran. The Quran says that if God wanted to guide every person to truth he would have done so, but he left certain parts of the quran ambiguous on purpose, so that those who aren't sincere and don't care to seek knowledge from the people who have studied the context of revelation will be lead astray.

Yes, God could have made everything perfectly clear, but then there would be no room for interpretation, and that's not what he wanted.

[MrGrandDragon]

It is a VERSE, which is a sentence. You cant stop before the point is made.

There is nothing wrong with the verse, the word itself does not mean what you think it means.

[MrGrandDragon]

that three is referring to the Trinity.

[jailstop]

"that 3 is referring to the trinity"' that is a fair interpretation however that to is debated. Which trintity? God the father,the son and the holy spirit? or God,Son and Marry?

[MrGrandDragon]

God, Son and Mary, or God Son and Holy Ghost depending on what Church you follow.

However as Muslims we interpret the Qur'an according to the Qur'an, meaning the BEST commentary is the Qur'an it'self. Since it the Word of God taken holistically we analyse verses that MAY be ambiguous with verses that are more in-depth.

So this verse is MOST DEFINITELY referring to the Christians (people of the Book) when it speaks about Three. The point is centred around them.

[playthefield21]

@jailstop It refers to any Christian concept of a trinity. We know that the Bible, unlike the Quran, has been changed over time. It doesn't matter whether in the future 100 different concepts of Christian trinities come to surface, the Quran is against all of them.

In Islam there is a clear dichotic separation between God and man, there is no concept of man becoming God or having kids, nor is there any concept of a holy spirit. The Quran says God does not beget and was not begotten.

[c3aki]

may allah bless him! great man! mashAllah

[soulemotions]

Zakir Naik is a blessing of Allah for us

[123456789007]

Mashallah! Jazak Allah

[raheel334]

Mashallah! Thanks for this sharing