The first time I was shown this film I initially did some research on it, which lead me to "the enlightened children of ramtha", which is at the very least a cult. The facts presented in this video only strengthen my initial idea, "what the bleep do we know", 90% bullshit.
Also, regarding the "debunking" of Masaru Emoto's water experiments, it seems this video's author took a brief look at "is-masaru-emoto-for-real dotcom" and copied only the information that supported his claims, rather than putting more inflection on the important point that no one has reproduced the experiment. That's the problem, accredited scientists aren't proving or disproving it, they are avoiding the matter altogether. This does not mean that Masaru Emoto's experiments have no importance.
Just the fact that the title includes the word "debunk" should be evidence enough that it was composed by someone who is close-minded. An intellectual who was rationally weighing evidence with no personal bias would be much more careful how they phrased their opinions on any particular material.
Additionally, if you don't believe the "meditation lowers crime rates" idea, take a look into the David Lynch Foundation and their extensive research on implementing meditation in crime ridden schools.
I went into the film with an open mind. After some aspects seemed suspect, I researched the claims and found out that there was a lot of misinformation.
I'll have to look into David Lynch Foundation, but at a preliminary look, it's a very different experiment and claim. Meditation certainly has measurable effects on the individual; it's no surprise that it would change their behavior while in school.
The film claims that a group can meditate and change the behavior of an outside group, with whom they are not directly interacting. That's completely different, and the statistics don't support their claim.
As far as Emoto, I looked at the site and the book I referenced, but also looked at the sources they looked at.
If his claims were true, it would be incredibly easy to prove and earn wealth and acclaim. No one has. There's a reason.
@AnHeroRevolution Hold on: Are you saying that critically appraising the value of ideas and the methods by which the ideas were arrived at, is closed minded? How is williamdebunker not "rationally weighing evidence"? Careful phrasing of opinions (I love your dismissive language) should be something YOU aspire to. It seems to me that you have some cherished beliefs which are under attack, and you are just a little peptic about it. There is no virtue in a mind open to nonsense. Regards
right so theres some bullshit sources in the movie but what about all the other scientists in the movie? Are they all from maharishi or associated with JZ knight? I have experienced law of attraction/ creating reality at a VERY personal and statistically impossible level for myself so I don't need to ask a scientist or take everything that movie says for granted. At this point it appears hardcore materialists/ atheists are the only ones clinging on to the dis-empowerment of their own abilities
great start to debunking the bullshit in Wtf do we know. there was even more falseness.
i admit, in 05 the physics part of this movie was very enlightening to me, and it encouraged me to further research. i read "fabric of the cosmos"- the book, along with brief history of time- was the beginning of my adventure learning the REAL mysteries of reality through neuroscience, relativity and quantum mechanics (which is inconclusive as of yet if observing creates reality but not as shown by wt^dwk
@emwaver To you and all of those who are so offended by this film, you're ignoring all the valid data on the basis that you don't like how they presented it. The objective of the film was ever to convince the viewer that they could consciously go outside and create their reality (maybe metaphorically, but not literally). They were pointing out how little we know, and how very few people are attempting to interpret the Quantum Enigma that arises with Quantum Mechanical Experimentation.
@AnHeroRevolution Why is it, that whenever we are shown by the well-meaning, what little we know, they always posit ridiculous explanations instead, and then when they are subjected to criticism, they say: We were only trying to point out how little we know... ?
Sounds quite hypocritical to me. I hardly think that speculating wildly is an adequate method for "interpreting the Quantum Enigma"....
Only know I take care of my dog, my plants, my family, everything goes better. My plants have no bugs, my dog no visits to vet, and my family is balanced. Attention is care and love, without it anything can be created. So I take attention to the things I want and, I will create it. to me that is all about the secret. Yes some people are selling secrets, but others are just investigate.
@williamdebunker Wow!!! they are fantastic!! especially the first one!! Are you a musician or just experimenting? I would really appreciate it if you could share them with me! Of course, only if it's ok with you!
Thanks! I've been a musician for about 18 years or so, mostly just as a hobby. I would like to post the various songs on this video and other works in their entirety, probably after my next completed video. I'm completing the writing/researching stage now.
It's not a matter of believing or disbelieving the random facts they throw at you; it's not a matter of trying to prove these ideas right or wrong. It's a matter of opening your mind to the possibilities and trying to think outside of the box that your own conscious has placed you in for your entire life. There's more to life and perception than our insignificant minds could ever imagine, but it doesn't hurt to think larger than our "known" reality every once in a while.
I like your video, and had many of those ideas when i watched the film myself- however the most important part of the movie for me was the quantum physics observation test.... which is true and has been shown by many other sources than this movie. You yourself even said what what that experiment showed- the molecules reacted differently when observed. I dont know why- but I think that is the most important part of the movie and your debunking leaves that out.
The ACT of observation can affect what is being observed, but it has absolutely nothing to do with consciousness, it has to do with the fact that no act is completely passive. In order to measure a system, one has to receive information from the system. There's no way to measure something without changing it, at least in a very small amount.
The movie argues that consciousness is the key, but it's not. It's the physical act of observation.
@williamdebunker Precisely. One example I like to use to demonstrate this is when scientists were attempting to cool some matter down to as close to absolute zero as they could. They couldn't observe this experiment in any traditional sense because shining enough light on the matter to be able to see it would heat it up and ruin the entire endeavor. Observation necessitates some form of interaction.
@williamdebunker yes that is correct. i guess their conjecture is that an observer is a conscious being. no wait- the camera is not conscious. well unfortunately they missed that, however the experiment is sound- the representation... sufficient.
@williamdebunker It would do you well to not state your theories as fact, as it leaves much to be desired about your credibility.
Also, and I'm not trying to be negative here, but I believe you should study more thoroughly, Quantum Physics, before you attack the ideas of others.
The concept you should research is Quantum Entanglement. This is experimentally-verifiable evidence that no physical force is required for one object to affect another over a distance.
Quantum Entanglement is a great example of a legitimate physics concept that is misappropriated by the new age quantum mystic movement.
QE doesn't involve the transmission of energy across the distance, or the transmission of information, and has no effect above its incredibly small scale. In fact, none of the aspects unique to quantum physics has an effect above the atomic scale.
It is standard through out the world now to do all math in base 10. Hell, the Chinese didn't until 1900s, but did that stop them from doing science and math? Nope! The Roman's didn't even have 0, yet they still made weapon that needed some understanding of ballistics. How? Huh, trial and error? The Vikings didn't even have numbers per se, used runes, and 5 only because of the amount of fingers on their hand and STILL could navigate the seas and use the stars with a fisherman's rigor!
To me it seemed like scientists found out tht we have a imagination nd tht they can't kno everything. I thought it was a good movie if u don't take it too literal bc they DON'T have it figured out at all. If I were a zombie I'd stay away from this one.
Well his thoughts did affect the water but I would rather take the movie from tht perspective as what we could accomplish w our thoughts but yea as far as the water changing from the word alone complete bullshit
Now William and Aanthanur, you both sound like two swell guys, so why don't we have some kind of beer summit and keenly talk over these things in a nice friendly environment, because I am sure this comes of like I am being hostile, where I am not. There we can share anecdotes about scientific blunders and mishaps, as well as gauge exactly how much experimental science you know oppose to theoretical science.
@Aanthanur Sometime soon I will put a video up called the physics review that will go back and look at 'published' information and not only suggest that information was out there only to a privileged few, but also show how what is being suggested support a model I am looking at with keen interest. I may also say you wouldn't want to meet a string theorist either xD But after the vids you tell me if I am still 'creepy.' I actually have a model, but as you said, EVIDENCE! Gathering as we speak xD
@Synconntez well a little suggestion, your chance to win the Noble Price might significantly increase when you publish your research in a respected peer reviewed science journal rather than on Youtube.
@Aanthanur It's a Prize not a Price,but I 100% agree; and while I am not a string theorist,I do recognize how difficult it is to be heard if you have any kind of theory that contradicts conventional theories.Newton was shun.Einstein was shun.Go along with the group or be shun.But I must say, very SIMPLE experiments have paved the way for what is physics today.I don't mind the extravagance per se; I mind the stubbornness to except new ideas.I doubt myself as well as I doubt others.Doubt is good.
Newtonian physics and the standard atomic model are still accurate for the scale on which they were originally developed. If you were to analyze the trajectories of a car crash, or figure out how many grams of sodium to combine with one mol of chlorine, you'd use those models. They haven't been "disproved".
It's only when you increase the scale to extremely fast, extremely large, or extremely small when a different model is necessary.
@williamdebunker First, Newtonian physics is in accurate for predicting the behavior of the Sun and Earth, incidentally, so no it is not always true. Newton made three precept for governing motions of moving body and yes those do hold true. What is not inaccurate is Newtons math since math is of course incapable of being erroneous since it is governed by logic. Newton also made some precept for energy which conflicts with how Einstein sees energy, which in essence is 'condensable' into matter.
When I said extremely large, the sun and its massive effect would be part of that. The point is that Newtonian physics are entirely accurate for a certain scale, above atomic and below planetary, below relativistic speeds, within the same gravity frame.
I don't know if you've taken college level chemistry, but the standard atomic model is still taught because it works at a certain scale. It's not until nuclear chemistry that you start quantum mechanics.
@williamdebunker I am beyond college chemistry gad-dang it, LMFAO. WTH...Dude... The model is taught as a model. Take it or leave it. It can not be revised until a model is shown to be able to unify all fields without discrepancy. It is just that simple. You'd have to wait until either a new finding appears that explains these oddities or restructure the model entirely and take it down completely ala string theory...
@williamdebunker What is causing the 'funny' behaviour between the Earth and Sun has been debatable since we recognize their is an error in the concept, not the math. Newton lumped his precept into a concept that holds true if you are observing these behavior through a telescope of the type Newton was using. This extra 'torque' of sort has even been theorized to be caused by a dead Sun coined as Nibaru X
Science is about creating models that can accurately predict phenomena. Newtonian physics and the standard model can make extremely accurate predictions within their intended scale.
On the other hand, Emoto hasn't made predictions that have been duplicated with good scientific controls, nor has Hagelin, nor has any of the videos of fringe science that you've posted.
A theory is no longer "laughed at" when it can make accurate predictions.
@williamdebunker Your ascertain here is incorrect as well. The only thing that provides predictions is Mathematics, not science. Science is done by making a discourse of observations in a logia or log, as in biology. These observation are usually used as evidence to support a 'governing law' or 'concept.' You do not have to predict a dang thing. The atomic model is completely debunked, but when you see it in old books you see a top down model that is not even 3-d.
Nope. Science is the building of knowledge by way of making and testing predictions through the scientific method. That's what separates science from religion.
Mathematics resolve conjectures through mathematical proof. While it is used to perform operations on quantified data to test predictions, mathematics itself isn't the prediction.
You have the two completely the wrong way around, which explains why you have a view so outside modern science.
c.1300, "knowledge (of something) acquired by study," also "a particular branch of knowledge," from O.Fr. science, from L. scientia "knowledge," from sciens (gen. scientis)
@williamdebunker FYI please do not bother to define science for me, I am most meticulous in my approach to any study. I know you young bucks like to walk around like you know every thing, and that is why you don't learn. Science did not even exist as a word until a certain point in time, but guess what, even before that the Urku in today's Babylon did studies and math without that term. The scientific method as a concept came later. I don't need to respect the damn method to do science.
@williamdebunker When I said the only thing that is predictable is math, are you fcking serious when you refute that.I have my degree in math.Do you?Do you want to see mine? The electron cloud is NOT predictable and implies NOT a mathematical model. Any questions?!? You want to somehow debunk that too. Are you serious or are you just arguing to be arguing. I read an article claiming the C^2 speed limit has been broken. If true, because although it would seem that way, the model will be revised.
@williamdebunker Mathematics is conjecture? HAHAHAHAHA! No son, mathematical CREATION is conjecture! Calculus is a NEW FIELD of math had yet UNKNOWN! DID NOT EXIST before Newton.However, the entire field of calculus has not only grown since Newton, but itself grew out of three seeds of math, plotomy, graphing and geometry!We had many observations for astronomy, but Newton quantified it sweetly! However, even Immanuel Kent was not whole convinced that calculus was math at all.So is it?I say yes!
I didn't say mathematics IS conjecture, I said it RESOLVES conjecture. Mathematicians formulate conjecture and resolve the veracity through mathematical proof.
While I could deal with your relentless off-topic babble and distortion of positions and arguments, I kind of have a problem when you start lowering the discussion to high school gym levels by calling me "son".
If you are old enough to be my father, I can only attribute your behavior to early onset dementia.
@williamdebunker But I am sure Kent would wholly disagree and express his disdain that astronomy should be explained by any other math than algebra....!
@williamdebunker Electrons are not even considered to be orbiting the nucleus any more, but appear in a 'cloud' that is not even predictable but seemingly 'popping in and out of existence.' Furthermore, and hold on to your socks for this, an electron can even be ejected from the nucleus itself 0_0!!! as is seen in beta-decay. When I said Chemistry is now downgraded to Chemology I meant it! Because the atomic model is just a model that can not be observed to be true with any instrument . . . 1
@williamdebunker . . . 2 as faithful scientist, we have to deem it incorrect. Implies, all that balancing the equation nonsense is out the window too. To be honest, when we combine molecules, we have never predicted the reaction before we do it. Hell, we can't even make a model for fire 0_0!!!! But we CAN log both the reaction itself, the occurring compound, and the bio-chemical effects it has on the body through careful and thorough research, it is called mathematics by rigor! We exhaust it.
You deserve to have this said to you. You are a hypocrite and a fool. You say their claims have no proof yet you have a stunning lack of proof for your side other than "They did this" or "That is not true". I'll buy into your bs if you can provide sources, facts, experiments, and get a substantial following.
I provided statistics from the official DC police website corroborated with contemporary newspaper reports for Hagelin's meditation claim. I also provided references in the video description for Emoto's bullshit. For JZ Ramtha I used her own website to illustrate how her incentive is clearly a monetary one -- no deep spiritual thinker interested in enlightening the world would charge hundreds of dollars for a couple of DVDs, or thousands for a $500 plane trip.
@williamdebunker You provide pictures, the internet provides phote bucket. You provide websites, the internet provides false facts. You did a quick run down of this vs. your views and brought WAY to much bais into it.
Your reply is, at best, incoherent. Are you suggesting that the official DC police website lies on their statistic information? Why would they do that? To what end?
Are you suggesting that JZ's site is actually cheaper, and I manipulated the photos? This can be easily verified -- just check out her website.
The references I provided in the details are both in print and available on the internet, so again, I'm really not sure what you're on about.
@williamdebunker Sorry hate to tell you but your information is based of entirely internet sources. Your information runs off the assumption that all internet facts are true which would also suggest the video you are "debunking" is true. Your replys to everyone in here also show your low maturity level with how much offense you take to questioning and small amounts of criticisim. You are a truely pitiful person and with this single video you prove your just a waste of recources in our world.
I've actually been remarkably polite to many of the people upset by my debunking, considering how often they insult me. I do get frustrated with individuals who, like you, speak complete nonsense.
How are newspaper articles and official crime stats "entirely internet sources"?
I link to internet sources because HTML doesn't yet support links to physical matter, like books or newspapers. But I list other sources, including printed works.
@williamdebunker Also you keep saying newspaper articles are facts, is it truly necessary that i point out history is full of wars and innocent deaths based of the lies and exaggeration of this thing we call "Yellow Journalism" or is everything in newspaper always true? All you have to support these are your word and pitiful sites for one, the first link is basically a essay so your turning this into a she said he said already, secondly, the stats link takes me to a broken site. Just as a btw
So we're getting somewhere, you admit that not all my information is from the internet. Thanks.
Not all newspapers accurately report all the time. That's true for any source. The best way towards accuracy is to have corroborating evidence between multiple sources, like the police stats with the newspaper reports.
The link works, but you have to copy-and-paste all of it, rather than click. Youtube often breaks links if they go more than one line.
@williamdebunker Your still claiming the same few sources you don't have much to run off all the info is he said she said. The official stat site still has room for error as does any site. Your claim is these few things are wrong so it all is. Your still running off a little bit of facts. You need more facts that are more accurate and more widely accepted. If all this isn't enough, your going into this with the thought that "The science we have right now is right this new science is wrong".
@williamdebunker If your going to fight this you must be a scientist right? If you are you should share the similar view that "No science is law" all science can be disproved and the only accepted sciencentific facts are newtons law's. Learn to expand your mind and be open to other ideas and not shoot it down so quickly with so little facts.
It's true that nothing can be proved with 100% certainty, it's about which argument is stronger. Hagelin claimed crime lowered during his meditation; the newspapers reported crime at a high level, and police statistics support the newspapers.
Now rather than saying that maybe ALL the newspapers got it wrong, and the DC reports were wrong, and just ONE man is correct, it's more likely that he simply lied.
It's Hagelin that relies on "so little facts", not me.
@williamdebunker Why base everything off this single point if the idea is debunking the entire movie? Lets skip that then lets assume your right on that. Prove everything else debunking including the spiritual woman. Yes is a long shot that she can do that YET all throughout history someone has seemed to possesed a similar power so, historically, this is assumed to be an accurate fact.
So we're good on the meditation claim? Good. And the rest, including the spiritual woman? Great!
So what are we left with? Not much. The rest of the film is a narrative about a woman going through some challenges in life, interwoven with material about quantum mechanics that is presented in a way that the vast majority of quantum physicists reject outright.
If my video is short, it's because the movie doesn't have much actual content to debunk.
The description box states that this is "Episode 1 of Debunked!". Seeing as how this was uploaded back in 2009 could you get around to uploading more?
I'd love to, but I don't currently have time, and I haven't found a good subject to debunk that hasn't already been heavily focused on. However, I have a couple of concepts that I'm throwing around.
I really like your video and it is very true. Much of what the Secret and similar teaching promulogate are in fact false, however, these teaching do put in an element of truth, so we must be careful not to throw the baby out with the bath water. You mind is creative, and what you believe about yourself and life has a huge impact on how you respond to life and what you in turn get back from life. Hypnosis and NLP have demonstrated the POWER of belief's effects beyond any reasonable contradiction
This is like you saying the earth is flat, because you dont like Christopher Columbus, or thought he should have used other ships. You are nothing less than narrowminded and most likely religious
No, it's like saying the Earth isn't flat because there is evidence to contradict the notion, and no compelling evidence to support a flat worldview. My video focused on the lack of evidence for their propositions and the evidence against them.
I'm not sure where you get the idea that I'm religious. But I think that quantum mysticism is its own religion, as it is dogmatic, without evidence, and anti-science.
So with this few partly personal Arguments u wanna debunk the Movie, the Idea of an entangled Universe or just the person JZ Knight? Did you hear whats left inside of an Atom than the core? But to be funny seems more important then to look and understand what brings the troubles in our World. What you call mysticism and crap is just the scare of the unknown. Just replace it with laughter.
At 1:12 - "Water is the most receptive of the 4 elements"! Ha ha ha. Yeah, I'm sure there's only four elements - if you're an ancient Greek. What a load of crap!
I get what you're going for here... and I like it... and you're not wrong
but man... there's still some crazy shit out there in reality
these assholes may have a hidden agenda in talking about this stuff... but it doesn't debunk the idea of consciousness having involvement in creating the reality we live in.
The double-slit experiment and EPR experiment have done things for the scientific community that we have to take into account.
This is an invitation to everyone or anyone to see an artist theory on the physics of light and time!
This theory is based on two postulates
1. Is that the quantum wave particle function Ψ represents the forward passage of time ∆E ∆t ≥ h/2π itself
2. Is that Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle ∆×∆p×≥h/4π that is formed by the w- function is the same uncertainty we have with any future event that we can interact with turning the possible into the actual!
Look at all these paradigms being challenged!! So funny to see the flat-landers get upset. Really shows the insecurities of their beliefs and understandings!
"Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is already made up!"
"Get your ass naturally selected out of the gene pool FAST."
I loled so hard. That whole invisible theory is indeed fuckin retarded. If that theory is consistent, that should mean we have problems seeing anything as children and as we grow up without our parents being shamans.
It's ironic that once you believe these things could be true and open yourself to the possibilities than you start becoming aware. You start to see things differently. At the end it's all about choice- faith and belief.
If you take this course in life see it as a temporary workshop. Though to participate this workshop you have to give 200% and believe in the possibilities. Or else it will not work for you. Thats how simple it is. I'd say just give it a go! :-D
The movie was for the most part an excellent and brief expose on the huge business of mixing the most advanced science we know and religion. However, regarding quantum particles...quantum particles take every possible route from point a to point b, unless you measure what route they take, and this is not due to the measurement method, but rather to the measurement itself. Source: Stephen Hawking.
Hahahaha, I'm already crazy, but this is funny. If it's true that the karma (energies, vibrations, or whatever), at a location have an effect on human behavior, as in the Washington D.C. example, then I have a theory. Ready? It's a good one.
Maybe there's so much crime in Washington D.C. because of this "karma level" or whatever you wanna call it. And maybe that energy level is so bad in Washington because of all of the baby sacrificing, pedophile, Saturn worshipers that work there? Who knows?
@williamdebunker About this whole JZ Knight thing. I'm pretty sure she's not one to trust 100%. Not even close. But, I don't see what's so ridiculous about her channeling an entity? Is it that you doubt it's a 3500 yr old warrior god, or that channeling is possible in the first place?
I'm pretty sure things like channeling actually are possible, and occur more often than you may be aware of. Look it up. There's plenty of people who have made similar claims, and produced autowritten books, etc
@Titus420ful Not at all what I'm saying. These are supposed to be autowritten books.... as in like, written in one sitting without stopping. Not even to think. Can't say I was there when they wrote them, so I can't really vouch for all those claims being true... But it's supposed to have happened enough times for me to give the idea some credence. Furthermore, the books that were produced like this were hella crazy. Externalisation of the Hierarchy, Keys of Enoch, The Book of the Law, n more.
Relax, I'm just being a smart ass, not trying to make you sound like an idiot. You accomplish that on your own. HA! kidding again don't take it seriously.
But anyway you shouldn't give ideas credence based on supposition, you should give credence based on evidence.
You don't know that the books were written in that manner. That is an extraordinary claim, and hence I require extraordinary evidence. Of course there are things going on that don't fit our HUMAN perception, hence science.
@Titus420ful hahaha. You're funny.... Anyway, I wouldn't consider mainstream science to have all the answers, and I'm sure they have their own unsubstantiated claims and dogmas. Yes, I agree science would lead us to some answers in it's proper application. However, I don't see that as being the case with the current system, even with peer review. There are many subjects that are considered taboo, where even talking about them could result in becoming ostracized from the scientific community.
I'm not claiming that mainstream science currently has "all the answers" and there is not a single scientist in a single field who would claim that, either. True scientist, that is. What I'm saying is that if there is any discoverable truth underlying the mysteries of reality, it's the scientific method that will lead us there. The scientific method is rigorous and that's why these woo-types harbor resentment against it. They're human ego gets in the way of true discovery.
@Titus420ful Really though, I've never attempted to channel spirits or anything of the sort. But I've seen enough evidence for me to consider it to be a genuine possibility. For example, you should look up the Enochian language. I'll admit I know very little about its inner workings, but this language was supposedly channeled to John Dee and Ed Kelley in the 15 or 1600's. It's supposed to be encoded in some hella crazy mathematics. Same with Hebrew too. Look up Stan Tenen and Dan Winter. GL!
Is it really evidence, though, or is it anecdotal? I mean, I'll look up the stories, but the thing is these channeling claims are never able to be reproduced in a controlled environment. Why do all spirits hate controlled environments? You would think that by now the spirit of SOME atheistic scientist would channel someone and be happy to do it in a lab to prove the truth of these claims, but that just doesn't happen....
....and then the woo-agers will claim that a controlled environment disturbs the spirit channeling process....not only is this a blatantly shameless cop-out, but it renders the entire claim unfalsifiable, and in the eyes of science, utterly useless. And since science is the only real objective way to discover the most accurate and up to date understanding of the universe, reality, etc, that we have....these claims just can't be classified as truth. Unfalsifiable=baloney
And when you think about it, the unfalsifiability of a claim is if not a red flag, a resounding clash as to the bogus nature of said claim.....Lies have to be unfalsifiable if they are to survive at all, even though they shouldn't..... like god claims and psychic claims and conspiracy theory crap....
You seem smart enough to be pickin up what I'm puttin down....
Anyway, sorry for the comment barrage....damn 500 character limit....
@Titus420ful Don't trip on the comments. I'm hella enjoying the conversation. I see what you're saying about unfalsifiability, and it makes sense. Some people just may be full of crap. Definitely look up the Enochian stuff, and especially the stuff on hebrew though. It turns out that language is all based on sacred geometry, and the phi proportion. The fact that it was encoded in the bible, first verse of genesis, makes it even more crazy. I don't know how anyone could have been that clever.
@Titus420ful and as for the conspiracy theory stuff, I can point you to some crazy videos, which to me, seem hella much like evidence that there's a lot more going on the scenes than we are lead to believe. You will have to suspend your disbelief a bit, but just a bit, only enough to give it a chance. lol.
@ihatecon I'll look it up, probably tomorrow. I will try to get back to you with my opinion. When you say: "theres a lot more going on (behind) the scenes than we are led to believe." I can't help but notice how vague that statement is...what particularly are you talking about, and what are the titles of a few of these vids?
And I can't suspend disbelief of claims I haven't even heard yet, haha....
@Titus420ful hahaha. The explanation was too damn long. lol. Anyway, that's some crazy stuff... And I guess it also depends on how much you know about certain aspects of these conspiracy theories. lol. Some of those symbols n shit. Anyway, let me know what you think. Check out that other stuff I was talking about when you get a chance. I'm just thinking all of these things are interrelated. That sacred geometry shit is hella deep, I promise you. Something's going on, at least. lol
@Titus420ful Anyways, you're just trying to make me sound like an idiot, and if you've already made up your mind that all of this is impossible, there may be no use in me trying to convince you otherwise. That's not my problem anyway. You should look into it though, cause there are definitely things going on in the world that won't fit your current conception of reality. Just cause you don't believe in something doesn't make it any less true though. Keep an open mind homie. Who knows? Peace!!
I get offended when I see beautiful people being manipulated like how this video does. Doesn't matter if its true or not. And I do hope to reach enlightenment one day. I hope we all do.
Yeah. How dare this video manipulate us with facts and evidence?! My sense of credulity is forever scarred!!
Seriously though, I don't understand how attaching yourself to some pseudoscience cult crap follows from realizing that we are all being fucked every day of our lives...
Why don't you ACT to change the fact that we're being fucked rather than simply latching onto a security blanket of a philosophy of vacuous bullshit and sucking on a pacifier of unreasonable belief....?
You've been very rational in your arguments and your presentation is great! Thank you so much for making this! I didn't know what to believe anymore after watching the movie. It is extremely cruel to distort people's idea of reality and feed them crap. And don't mind the name-callers. They're victims themselves.
"What this documentary said, is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point, in it's rambling, incoherent response, was it even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone who watched it is now dumber for having sit through it."
Hey buddy GET A FUCKING LIFE. What the fuck do you know. Its sad that you debunk a documentary that's good for you it brings people hope that they have some kind of control in their life and your trying to take that away from people just because you don't understand. Get a fucking life or kill yourself you selfish asshole. And for the rest of you,keep the hope because you are all something special and u are in control.
Im not here to substantiate any claims, you do a good enough job of that on your own. You just add fuel to the fire. I guess we need people like you though. Someone has to be the guinea pig...
It's cool, I get it. It took me a lot of work to research, find books and articles that talk about Emoto's process and background, go through crime statistics and newspapers, and dig through hours of interviews to find information about JZ Knight.
It's totally easier to say "you're full of shit" when you disagree with someone, rather than all that troublesome reading and thinking stuff.
@williamdebunker Indeed...WTB was nothing more than a cult trying to garner adherents. Sadly, many people clung to this because it gave the impression that science was beginning to confirm spiritual ideas and now they want to cling to that so hard because in their hearts they know science is far more productive than spirituality.
@williamdebunker Well, so many people were inspired by the claims you 'debunked,' that they started to do these experiments on their own.You can check the rice test done by tons and tons of people proving that their thoughts really did have an effect.You plan on debunking those too?Russian scientist are now proving DNA stores memories and is highly influential.Going to debunk that too?There is a growing interest in this stuff.You have your job cut out for you if you plan on debunking them all.
@Synconntez The rice experiment has never been duplicated in a properly controlled experiment. Individuals testing an experiment in an uncontrolled environment (i.e. their homes) isn't scientifically useful.
I'm not sure what the relevance of DNA and memories has to do with Emoto being full of shit. Care to explain?
@williamdebunker If I were only referencing the rice test alone,then you could discredit it. The point of the other research is to prove Emoto is on to something. Many laugh at Newton too. Einstein was not even looked at. Years down the line Emoto will be a hero. We are moving away from obsess over physical science to possibly meta-physical ones. Exposure & Influence science. FINALLY! And may I add, tons of science came out of home tests quickly stolen and patented by deep pockets, so please...
@Synconntez let me also add, penicillin was one of those home experiments BTW.And now a multi-billion bio-chemical industry exists, when physicians didn't like the idea of medicine that did NOT involve cutting you open.Someone once asked me, why was there so much resistance to string theory, when once people called Hawking a genius, and I said, dude, if it's true, they have to pull the hadron collider down and redesign it around strings and waves instead of motion and particle acceleration.SCARY
@williamdebunker And lastly, anything demonstrable over and over IS SCIENCE. We then ask why it keeps happening not sit around and pretend it didn't happen because we didn't have it in a lab, endorsed it with a 1million dollar grant or other endowments and can not make it into a phone app! Think out side the box! Applicable science isn't the best science just the most profitable one. Debunk that!!!
I didn't reply because you haven't actually provided any information, sources, or details that I could actually respond to.
Rather, you just rambled about greedy bio-chemistry industries and deep pockets patenting home science tests, as if any of that had any bearing on the validity of quantum mysticism.
@Aanthanur As a matter of fact a landslide of information.I wrote some, to which the debunker decide rather than refute them just not post them at all.For the time being anyway it'd be an exercise in futility to argue this.The fact is the scientific community is broken up into two branches at this point both after endowment for future studies into their specific interest.Some believe it's time for meta-physical inquiries & others despite the debt they've already racked up, think no change needed
@Aanthanur First of all, Aanthanur, I am happy to see you showing interest in this stuff by asking questions and asking me about my point of view, not just being quick to dismiss everything incomprehensible to you as 'quackery.' Here is a video of such a dismissal watch?v=7Ej97geNCsk. Here are two videos changing the scenario completely to dismiss THAT dismissal. watch?v=P2T6oC-53UQ & watch?v=h6wVnBI3cnU This is just a minor example (to be continued)
@Aanthanur (continued - 2) here is Emoto's original precept watch?v=k1-0ulKgmio, here are subsequent experiments suggesting he is on to something: watch?v=xLJJ9vCXvOI , watch?v=4sbzCaEsHfw , watch?v=2qayHlgNGrc , watch?v=ILSyt_Hhbjg . What are the two things this new science suggests and why do people feel nervous about it? One imagine being told that scientifically your boss yelling at you everyday is actually aging you which is why stress manifests into physical sickness! Liability suite!
@Aanthanur (continued 3) meant 'suit.' Have you ever heard the expression your intent affects the outcome? Implies, if you intend to debunk it you won't get the same result. So if your intent is to make money,you do that, but if your intent was to just help others, you achieve that. Chemistry is now being referred to as Chem-ology. Why? The atomic model has been debunked, but for over 200 years the medical community resisted this change because of the bio-chemical industry.
@Aanthanur (continued 4) Now except making my cock erected for longer, exactly what has this industry done in the last 40 years? What breakthrough have we had? They cured impotence with Viagara. Fantastic, and affliction that only affects a group of middle aged to elder men, now they can get at that PENSION! Yummy! But erm, they can find better things to do than screw. These same people are afraid of healing through constant realignment sciences, but I KNOW it's the way to go.
@Aanthanur (continued 5) Mr. Debunker over here pointed out the Earth is not flat, but it IS flat what it is NOT is discontinued or 'linear.' This is because the space is warped around the Earth's core, but from a perceivable angle, it appears flat and in fact, take a piece of straight wood and lie it on the ground, does it stay connected to the surface from tip to tip? Where this warp starts to be evident is at a distance, but you'd need to travel some distance away to finally see the warping.
@Aanthanur (continued 6) The warping happens at a sub-atomic level and is the result of the gravitational nature of each atom itself, implies, we as atomic structures remain warped WITH the earth, and we ALSO are curved. But do we notice we are actually being bent around the earth core? Nope! Only if we jump or spin around. But Mr. Debunker has no associate degree in anything, I am SURE! He is an opinionative chap with a computer, just like anyone else. Leave the science to the SCIENTISTS!
@Synconntez science can be done by everyone, even children have already published scientific peer reviewed studies. but the nonsense that was shown in your videos has nothing to do with science at all.
its nonsense, nothing more.
but alsong your beliefs make you happy :) have funn
@Aanthanur If you think that these videos are the bulk of the science I have witnessed then suit yourself, but most labs don't publish a pursuit. If they are convinced of a break through they hide their findings until they create an application. Only foundations studying theoretical findings are forced to publish by our bylaws. So i will end it with that. But these findings coincide with somethings I have seen.
@Synconntez and wich law exactly does force foundations studying theoretical findings to publish their findings? are you talking baout the US or witch country?
@Aanthanur We have bylaws right here in the USA that push labs here in the USA to put the result of whatever research thesis they submitted to get the grant to do in journals or by white papers. Peer reviewers can access these papers through whatever channels provided. Depending on the circumstance, their may be an official press release. Independent (ala private research) is the soul property of the person doing that study, but access to certain kinds of chemicals may require licensing.
@Aanthanur For your information, there are groups using discrete vibration patterns to see if genes respond. A study already published showed genes are in fact definitely done in a sequence pattern by mapping the sequences to a sound modulator and what resulted was coherency. The word i used was DISCRETE. When Eisenstein proposed light appears in discrete packets instead of an unbroken spectrum people denied it too until E=MC^2. Which indicated matter is quantitative energy.
@Aanthanur Title?Strike one.Who the F 'titles' their research.A thesis statement is the best 'title' you often find a team working under.A journalist may provide whatever title he or she wants if that study is published in a medical journal, a news paper article or a white paper.I have seen various articles in magazines, example one recently done that suggests in fact everyone in the world but 2 tribes in Africa has neanderthal DNA.Trying to look how this research was initiated proves difficult
@Synconntez when a scientific publication in a journal passed peer review and gets published, it will have a title, i don't care who makes that title, but in order for me to find that publication i need something to search for. and that is usualy the title of the publication, the authors and the year of publication. i would be happy if you provide the title of the paper and if possible the name of the author. that is something totaly normal in scinece. how come you don't know that?
@Aanthanur But guess what, even before Einstein said so, others proposed it. None every got credited. Suddenly radios were on the market and despite the fact that carriers communicated by sending discrete or "analogues" pulses way before the world was let it on this little secret. I supposed "cloaking" is also just a Star Trek invention, huh? LOL! I supposed 'black holes' don't suggest cloaking, huh? Sleep sheeeppppp.
@Aanthanur The Eiffel Tower was up by the time Einstein was 10, and I am sure, not only he, but the French Citizens would have wondered what the hell purpose does it serve.No one thinks that it's just a decoration.Actually, many did.But the tower must have been built to specification or it would be useless.My physics book from my childhood printed way after the fact does not seem to indicate what researchers first started making use of this science as if no one even knew until way later 0_0
@Aanthanur Supposed I told you that there is no such thing as a black hole and that what is happening is the same thing that causes matter to actually wrap around the Earth Core, and that the light isn't escaping because it is moving AROUND the object, what then! Suppose I told you the Sun is LESS dense than the Earth and that it is expanding because of WEAK gravity what then, huh? Am I the heretic scientist. Am I your Galileo? Huh? Wanna burn me or hang me on a cross, huh?
@Aanthanur There are theorists no different that string theorists.If they have funding already, they don't need to write a book about their beliefs.Others write books to gain enough cash to do independent research for the glory of it.But you put your ears to the ground and who knows what 'theory' you may pick up or who knows who has actually done the experiment. You should ask the question how many Einstein-ian experiments went unpublished during his life time....Do you know who Victor Ninov is?
@Aanthanur String theory is total nonsense, yet it is proposed by the one guy who was herald by the scientific community as the best in the world until he started preaching this foolishness, huuuh? Yet is it or is it not science, huuuh? Tell you what...let's have this debate at a later date, when the denial is receding and the interest in the geometric model of the atom becomes the norm ;) Cuz it'd be a shame to build a billion dollar piece of equipment for nothing.... :) have funn
"Now except making my cock erected for longer, exactly what has this industry done in the last 40 years?"
How about CT scanning, MRI scanning, DNA fingerprinting, vaccines for rubella, chicken pox, pneumonia, meningitis and Hep A, stem cell therapy, human-controlled synthetic limbs, lung transplants, laser cataract surgery, tissue engineering and advanced skin grafting, facial transplants, the genetic identification of hundreds of conditions...
@williamdebunker Dude... all the things you listed are from making better apparatus to detect subatomic phenomenons... That is not bio-chemistry. Bio-chemistry uniquely is about how molecular compounds affect molecular compounds, but we all have to recognize the affect is manifesting from even below quarks level. My gripe is why do we subject human beings to science before we are sure the exact effect... answer.. profit.
@Aanthanur Here is a belief that is official. Quantum mechanics suggest that each packet of energy is discrete and can be accounted for.A particle is rated at having lets say 330 MeV.Now we should be able to detect each MeV discretely, correct?And then from there, an eV uniquely.Or why the hell would we call it 'Quantum' mechanics.Well I respect the 'should' part, but why does the instrument say. Well for one, eV is a fragment of something... WHAT!?! Erm, .511 something. WHAT!?! Fccck you!
@Aanthanur An official belief is one that the ministry of education puts out in our public school system.Before Newton, wave behavior was considered on a gradient scale defined by calculus which allows us however to pinpoint amplitude and frequency at specific moments.On a two-d scale however, since then we have made an osculation derivative of calculus.Newton confined light to this scale.Einstein suggested light is a particle.Photons have no rest mass, doesn't qualify.Official implies accepted.
@Synconntez well i don't know about the US, but here in Switzerland, they don't teach beliefs in science class, but science,
and maybe it would be a good idea to learn the difference between a hypothesis and a theory. you just called your hypothesis (to be generous) a theory. and we are talking about science here, so there is a clear definition what a theory is.
@Aanthanur xDDD! Switzerland? Where the girls are blond and buxom Switzerland? You must be LOVING it! What 'beliefs.' Look, you can make a math model, I can make a math model, Sponge Bob Square Pants can make a model, then as an academic body we come to terms with one model and teach that, but we also teach idiosyncrasies as well in case some day someone disproves it.Even Einstein said some day someone would come along and find the variables that causes entanglement and other oddities.
@Aanthanur I realize that you really aren't a down to Earth sort. I was just kidding; anyway you say to-ma-toe, I say to-maa-do. You'll probably reply, I will read it, but I supposed that'd be the last interaction needed as this dialogue has ceased to move u in any direction except fan-boy, while I will continue to take down the model, rebuild it, take it down again, rebuild it, until for sure it check's out with no discrepancies, while you fan boy science as if it is a temple or something.
@Aanthanur from the get go I had 0 interest in debating.I simply pointed out our current understanding of physical and meta-physical events is not nearly complete enough for to debunk any research that suggest correlation simply on the premise that it interferes with our 'personal' belief.Then it turned into a discussion asking me to 'prove' it so instead I simply debunk excepted precepts and concepts stated a mare 50years ago as fact and arguable today.By the way I am smart.Thanks for noticing.
@Aanthanur I am glad you said that, now could you please, please, pleeeaaasssseee tell me what the 'current understanding is in science?" Here is a chance to put your money where your mouth is smart guy. Please tell me what it is I don't understand, because I am dying to here this.
@Aanthanur As evidence of your ignorance you are ignorant of the fact that I am well aware of a process designed nearly 2300 years after the concept of science was stumbled upon and inscribed in the Kametic Egyptian tongue as 'thought,' into the Latin paraphrasing by Rene Decartes, "cogito ergo sum," I think therefore I am. I didn't ask you about peer review being someone who sat on such a panel and I doubt you have ever. So quite dancing, and lets here about the science you know that I don't.
@Aanthanur sigh did I say anything about being a reviewer? And any one can pick up a journal and read it, so in that regard, any person with a reasonable curiosity and sizable vernacular can make use of the journal and in so doing be a reviewer. Anybody can read.... I distinctly said peer review.... Anyway, banter is fun when it's constructive. I find you to be a malicious individual that is quite obstructive to any new idea. I recommend deep lamenting to cure you of this affliction.
You stated "I didn't ask you about peer review being someone who sat on such a panel and I doubt you have ever." That would seem that you had sat on such a review panel.
Did you simply write a poorly composed sentence (which happens to everyone), or have you sat on a such a panel? Where? When?
I understand that you might not want to disclose personal info (I don't), but there's no point in bringing up qualifications if you're unwilling to verify them.
The first time I was shown this film I initially did some research on it, which lead me to "the enlightened children of ramtha", which is at the very least a cult. The facts presented in this video only strengthen my initial idea, "what the bleep do we know", 90% bullshit.
smokeordieganja 1 day ago
Also, regarding the "debunking" of Masaru Emoto's water experiments, it seems this video's author took a brief look at "is-masaru-emoto-for-real dotcom" and copied only the information that supported his claims, rather than putting more inflection on the important point that no one has reproduced the experiment. That's the problem, accredited scientists aren't proving or disproving it, they are avoiding the matter altogether. This does not mean that Masaru Emoto's experiments have no importance.
AnHeroRevolution 1 week ago
Just the fact that the title includes the word "debunk" should be evidence enough that it was composed by someone who is close-minded. An intellectual who was rationally weighing evidence with no personal bias would be much more careful how they phrased their opinions on any particular material.
Additionally, if you don't believe the "meditation lowers crime rates" idea, take a look into the David Lynch Foundation and their extensive research on implementing meditation in crime ridden schools.
AnHeroRevolution 1 week ago
@AnHeroRevolution
(Response 2 of 3)
I went into the film with an open mind. After some aspects seemed suspect, I researched the claims and found out that there was a lot of misinformation.
I'll have to look into David Lynch Foundation, but at a preliminary look, it's a very different experiment and claim. Meditation certainly has measurable effects on the individual; it's no surprise that it would change their behavior while in school.
The film is claiming something else.
williamdebunker 6 days ago
@AnHeroRevolution
(Response 3 of 3)
The film claims that a group can meditate and change the behavior of an outside group, with whom they are not directly interacting. That's completely different, and the statistics don't support their claim.
As far as Emoto, I looked at the site and the book I referenced, but also looked at the sources they looked at.
If his claims were true, it would be incredibly easy to prove and earn wealth and acclaim. No one has. There's a reason.
williamdebunker 6 days ago
@AnHeroRevolution Hold on: Are you saying that critically appraising the value of ideas and the methods by which the ideas were arrived at, is closed minded? How is williamdebunker not "rationally weighing evidence"? Careful phrasing of opinions (I love your dismissive language) should be something YOU aspire to. It seems to me that you have some cherished beliefs which are under attack, and you are just a little peptic about it. There is no virtue in a mind open to nonsense. Regards
Ahabite 1 day ago
right so theres some bullshit sources in the movie but what about all the other scientists in the movie? Are they all from maharishi or associated with JZ knight? I have experienced law of attraction/ creating reality at a VERY personal and statistically impossible level for myself so I don't need to ask a scientist or take everything that movie says for granted. At this point it appears hardcore materialists/ atheists are the only ones clinging on to the dis-empowerment of their own abilities
seenavvv 1 week ago
Raw truth
revolutionarys 1 week ago
great start to debunking the bullshit in Wtf do we know. there was even more falseness.
i admit, in 05 the physics part of this movie was very enlightening to me, and it encouraged me to further research. i read "fabric of the cosmos"- the book, along with brief history of time- was the beginning of my adventure learning the REAL mysteries of reality through neuroscience, relativity and quantum mechanics (which is inconclusive as of yet if observing creates reality but not as shown by wt^dwk
emwaver 1 week ago
@emwaver To you and all of those who are so offended by this film, you're ignoring all the valid data on the basis that you don't like how they presented it. The objective of the film was ever to convince the viewer that they could consciously go outside and create their reality (maybe metaphorically, but not literally). They were pointing out how little we know, and how very few people are attempting to interpret the Quantum Enigma that arises with Quantum Mechanical Experimentation.
AnHeroRevolution 1 week ago
@AnHeroRevolution Why is it, that whenever we are shown by the well-meaning, what little we know, they always posit ridiculous explanations instead, and then when they are subjected to criticism, they say: We were only trying to point out how little we know... ?
Sounds quite hypocritical to me. I hardly think that speculating wildly is an adequate method for "interpreting the Quantum Enigma"....
Ahabite 1 day ago
I like the tune at the end.
Dkcode 1 week ago
Only know I take care of my dog, my plants, my family, everything goes better. My plants have no bugs, my dog no visits to vet, and my family is balanced. Attention is care and love, without it anything can be created. So I take attention to the things I want and, I will create it. to me that is all about the secret. Yes some people are selling secrets, but others are just investigate.
stonemark2012 1 week ago
can you please tell me the tiltle of the track from 0.05-1.13???
zareen76 2 weeks ago
@zareen76
It doesn't really have a title. I wrote the piece awhile back (along with the other music) and used it as background for the video.
williamdebunker 2 weeks ago
@williamdebunker Wow!!! they are fantastic!! especially the first one!! Are you a musician or just experimenting? I would really appreciate it if you could share them with me! Of course, only if it's ok with you!
zareen76 2 weeks ago
@zareen76
Thanks! I've been a musician for about 18 years or so, mostly just as a hobby. I would like to post the various songs on this video and other works in their entirety, probably after my next completed video. I'm completing the writing/researching stage now.
williamdebunker 2 weeks ago
It's not a matter of believing or disbelieving the random facts they throw at you; it's not a matter of trying to prove these ideas right or wrong. It's a matter of opening your mind to the possibilities and trying to think outside of the box that your own conscious has placed you in for your entire life. There's more to life and perception than our insignificant minds could ever imagine, but it doesn't hurt to think larger than our "known" reality every once in a while.
SBCodyB343 2 weeks ago
Its sad to say that i know some people who believe that stupid shit from what the bleep!
sounddesign777 2 weeks ago
I like your video, and had many of those ideas when i watched the film myself- however the most important part of the movie for me was the quantum physics observation test.... which is true and has been shown by many other sources than this movie. You yourself even said what what that experiment showed- the molecules reacted differently when observed. I dont know why- but I think that is the most important part of the movie and your debunking leaves that out.
tribalstyle138 2 weeks ago
@tribalstyle138
I didn't say that.
The ACT of observation can affect what is being observed, but it has absolutely nothing to do with consciousness, it has to do with the fact that no act is completely passive. In order to measure a system, one has to receive information from the system. There's no way to measure something without changing it, at least in a very small amount.
The movie argues that consciousness is the key, but it's not. It's the physical act of observation.
williamdebunker 2 weeks ago
@williamdebunker Precisely. One example I like to use to demonstrate this is when scientists were attempting to cool some matter down to as close to absolute zero as they could. They couldn't observe this experiment in any traditional sense because shining enough light on the matter to be able to see it would heat it up and ruin the entire endeavor. Observation necessitates some form of interaction.
Fabulous video, my man.
MagorianAx 2 weeks ago
@williamdebunker yes that is correct. i guess their conjecture is that an observer is a conscious being. no wait- the camera is not conscious. well unfortunately they missed that, however the experiment is sound- the representation... sufficient.
tribalstyle138 2 weeks ago
@williamdebunker It would do you well to not state your theories as fact, as it leaves much to be desired about your credibility.
Also, and I'm not trying to be negative here, but I believe you should study more thoroughly, Quantum Physics, before you attack the ideas of others.
The concept you should research is Quantum Entanglement. This is experimentally-verifiable evidence that no physical force is required for one object to affect another over a distance.
AnHeroRevolution 1 week ago
@AnHeroRevolution
No, it is simply a physical force which is not yet understood. All force capable of affecting the physical is, by definition, physical.
Kikarok 1 week ago
@AnHeroRevolution
(Response 1 of 3)
Quantum Entanglement is a great example of a legitimate physics concept that is misappropriated by the new age quantum mystic movement.
QE doesn't involve the transmission of energy across the distance, or the transmission of information, and has no effect above its incredibly small scale. In fact, none of the aspects unique to quantum physics has an effect above the atomic scale.
williamdebunker 6 days ago
this video is so good you should make more!
crumbumcorvette 3 weeks ago
It is standard through out the world now to do all math in base 10. Hell, the Chinese didn't until 1900s, but did that stop them from doing science and math? Nope! The Roman's didn't even have 0, yet they still made weapon that needed some understanding of ballistics. How? Huh, trial and error? The Vikings didn't even have numbers per se, used runes, and 5 only because of the amount of fingers on their hand and STILL could navigate the seas and use the stars with a fisherman's rigor!
Synconntez 3 weeks ago
To me it seemed like scientists found out tht we have a imagination nd tht they can't kno everything. I thought it was a good movie if u don't take it too literal bc they DON'T have it figured out at all. If I were a zombie I'd stay away from this one.
fox64057 3 weeks ago
Well his thoughts did affect the water but I would rather take the movie from tht perspective as what we could accomplish w our thoughts but yea as far as the water changing from the word alone complete bullshit
fox64057 3 weeks ago
Now William and Aanthanur, you both sound like two swell guys, so why don't we have some kind of beer summit and keenly talk over these things in a nice friendly environment, because I am sure this comes of like I am being hostile, where I am not. There we can share anecdotes about scientific blunders and mishaps, as well as gauge exactly how much experimental science you know oppose to theoretical science.
Synconntez 3 weeks ago
@Synconntez no way man, i think you are a very crazy person, i really don't want to meet you in person, this way is already creepy enough.
You talk alot abot science, but not once have you cited any scientific publications.
Aanthanur 3 weeks ago
@Aanthanur Sometime soon I will put a video up called the physics review that will go back and look at 'published' information and not only suggest that information was out there only to a privileged few, but also show how what is being suggested support a model I am looking at with keen interest. I may also say you wouldn't want to meet a string theorist either xD But after the vids you tell me if I am still 'creepy.' I actually have a model, but as you said, EVIDENCE! Gathering as we speak xD
Synconntez 3 weeks ago
@Synconntez well a little suggestion, your chance to win the Noble Price might significantly increase when you publish your research in a respected peer reviewed science journal rather than on Youtube.
Aanthanur 3 weeks ago
@Aanthanur It's a Prize not a Price,but I 100% agree; and while I am not a string theorist,I do recognize how difficult it is to be heard if you have any kind of theory that contradicts conventional theories.Newton was shun.Einstein was shun.Go along with the group or be shun.But I must say, very SIMPLE experiments have paved the way for what is physics today.I don't mind the extravagance per se; I mind the stubbornness to except new ideas.I doubt myself as well as I doubt others.Doubt is good.
Synconntez 3 weeks ago
@Synconntez
(Response 1)
Newtonian physics and the standard atomic model are still accurate for the scale on which they were originally developed. If you were to analyze the trajectories of a car crash, or figure out how many grams of sodium to combine with one mol of chlorine, you'd use those models. They haven't been "disproved".
It's only when you increase the scale to extremely fast, extremely large, or extremely small when a different model is necessary.
williamdebunker 3 weeks ago
@williamdebunker First, Newtonian physics is in accurate for predicting the behavior of the Sun and Earth, incidentally, so no it is not always true. Newton made three precept for governing motions of moving body and yes those do hold true. What is not inaccurate is Newtons math since math is of course incapable of being erroneous since it is governed by logic. Newton also made some precept for energy which conflicts with how Einstein sees energy, which in essence is 'condensable' into matter.
Synconntez 3 weeks ago
@Synconntez
(Response 1A)
When I said extremely large, the sun and its massive effect would be part of that. The point is that Newtonian physics are entirely accurate for a certain scale, above atomic and below planetary, below relativistic speeds, within the same gravity frame.
I don't know if you've taken college level chemistry, but the standard atomic model is still taught because it works at a certain scale. It's not until nuclear chemistry that you start quantum mechanics.
williamdebunker 3 weeks ago
@williamdebunker I am beyond college chemistry gad-dang it, LMFAO. WTH...Dude... The model is taught as a model. Take it or leave it. It can not be revised until a model is shown to be able to unify all fields without discrepancy. It is just that simple. You'd have to wait until either a new finding appears that explains these oddities or restructure the model entirely and take it down completely ala string theory...
Synconntez 3 weeks ago
@williamdebunker What is causing the 'funny' behaviour between the Earth and Sun has been debatable since we recognize their is an error in the concept, not the math. Newton lumped his precept into a concept that holds true if you are observing these behavior through a telescope of the type Newton was using. This extra 'torque' of sort has even been theorized to be caused by a dead Sun coined as Nibaru X
Synconntez 3 weeks ago
@Synconntez
(Response 2)
Science is about creating models that can accurately predict phenomena. Newtonian physics and the standard model can make extremely accurate predictions within their intended scale.
On the other hand, Emoto hasn't made predictions that have been duplicated with good scientific controls, nor has Hagelin, nor has any of the videos of fringe science that you've posted.
A theory is no longer "laughed at" when it can make accurate predictions.
williamdebunker 3 weeks ago
@williamdebunker Your ascertain here is incorrect as well. The only thing that provides predictions is Mathematics, not science. Science is done by making a discourse of observations in a logia or log, as in biology. These observation are usually used as evidence to support a 'governing law' or 'concept.' You do not have to predict a dang thing. The atomic model is completely debunked, but when you see it in old books you see a top down model that is not even 3-d.
Synconntez 3 weeks ago
@Synconntez
(Response 2A)
Nope. Science is the building of knowledge by way of making and testing predictions through the scientific method. That's what separates science from religion.
Mathematics resolve conjectures through mathematical proof. While it is used to perform operations on quantified data to test predictions, mathematics itself isn't the prediction.
You have the two completely the wrong way around, which explains why you have a view so outside modern science.
williamdebunker 3 weeks ago
@williamdebunker
sci·ence/ˈsīəns/
Noun:
The intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural...
A particular area of this: "veterinary science".
Synonyms: knowledge - learning - lore - skill - scholarship
c.1300, "knowledge (of something) acquired by study," also "a particular branch of knowledge," from O.Fr. science, from L. scientia "knowledge," from sciens (gen. scientis)
Synconntez 3 weeks ago
@williamdebunker FYI please do not bother to define science for me, I am most meticulous in my approach to any study. I know you young bucks like to walk around like you know every thing, and that is why you don't learn. Science did not even exist as a word until a certain point in time, but guess what, even before that the Urku in today's Babylon did studies and math without that term. The scientific method as a concept came later. I don't need to respect the damn method to do science.
Synconntez 3 weeks ago
@williamdebunker When I said the only thing that is predictable is math, are you fcking serious when you refute that.I have my degree in math.Do you?Do you want to see mine? The electron cloud is NOT predictable and implies NOT a mathematical model. Any questions?!? You want to somehow debunk that too. Are you serious or are you just arguing to be arguing. I read an article claiming the C^2 speed limit has been broken. If true, because although it would seem that way, the model will be revised.
Synconntez 3 weeks ago
@williamdebunker Mathematics is conjecture? HAHAHAHAHA! No son, mathematical CREATION is conjecture! Calculus is a NEW FIELD of math had yet UNKNOWN! DID NOT EXIST before Newton.However, the entire field of calculus has not only grown since Newton, but itself grew out of three seeds of math, plotomy, graphing and geometry!We had many observations for astronomy, but Newton quantified it sweetly! However, even Immanuel Kent was not whole convinced that calculus was math at all.So is it?I say yes!
Synconntez 3 weeks ago
@Synconntez
I didn't say mathematics IS conjecture, I said it RESOLVES conjecture. Mathematicians formulate conjecture and resolve the veracity through mathematical proof.
While I could deal with your relentless off-topic babble and distortion of positions and arguments, I kind of have a problem when you start lowering the discussion to high school gym levels by calling me "son".
If you are old enough to be my father, I can only attribute your behavior to early onset dementia.
williamdebunker 3 weeks ago
@williamdebunker But I am sure Kent would wholly disagree and express his disdain that astronomy should be explained by any other math than algebra....!
Synconntez 3 weeks ago
@williamdebunker Electrons are not even considered to be orbiting the nucleus any more, but appear in a 'cloud' that is not even predictable but seemingly 'popping in and out of existence.' Furthermore, and hold on to your socks for this, an electron can even be ejected from the nucleus itself 0_0!!! as is seen in beta-decay. When I said Chemistry is now downgraded to Chemology I meant it! Because the atomic model is just a model that can not be observed to be true with any instrument . . . 1
Synconntez 3 weeks ago
@williamdebunker . . . 2 as faithful scientist, we have to deem it incorrect. Implies, all that balancing the equation nonsense is out the window too. To be honest, when we combine molecules, we have never predicted the reaction before we do it. Hell, we can't even make a model for fire 0_0!!!! But we CAN log both the reaction itself, the occurring compound, and the bio-chemical effects it has on the body through careful and thorough research, it is called mathematics by rigor! We exhaust it.
Synconntez 3 weeks ago
You deserve to have this said to you. You are a hypocrite and a fool. You say their claims have no proof yet you have a stunning lack of proof for your side other than "They did this" or "That is not true". I'll buy into your bs if you can provide sources, facts, experiments, and get a substantial following.
seller332 3 weeks ago
@seller332
I provided statistics from the official DC police website corroborated with contemporary newspaper reports for Hagelin's meditation claim. I also provided references in the video description for Emoto's bullshit. For JZ Ramtha I used her own website to illustrate how her incentive is clearly a monetary one -- no deep spiritual thinker interested in enlightening the world would charge hundreds of dollars for a couple of DVDs, or thousands for a $500 plane trip.
williamdebunker 3 weeks ago
@williamdebunker You provide pictures, the internet provides phote bucket. You provide websites, the internet provides false facts. You did a quick run down of this vs. your views and brought WAY to much bais into it.
seller332 3 weeks ago
@seller332
Your reply is, at best, incoherent. Are you suggesting that the official DC police website lies on their statistic information? Why would they do that? To what end?
Are you suggesting that JZ's site is actually cheaper, and I manipulated the photos? This can be easily verified -- just check out her website.
The references I provided in the details are both in print and available on the internet, so again, I'm really not sure what you're on about.
williamdebunker 3 weeks ago
@williamdebunker Sorry hate to tell you but your information is based of entirely internet sources. Your information runs off the assumption that all internet facts are true which would also suggest the video you are "debunking" is true. Your replys to everyone in here also show your low maturity level with how much offense you take to questioning and small amounts of criticisim. You are a truely pitiful person and with this single video you prove your just a waste of recources in our world.
seller332 2 weeks ago
@seller332
I've actually been remarkably polite to many of the people upset by my debunking, considering how often they insult me. I do get frustrated with individuals who, like you, speak complete nonsense.
How are newspaper articles and official crime stats "entirely internet sources"?
I link to internet sources because HTML doesn't yet support links to physical matter, like books or newspapers. But I list other sources, including printed works.
williamdebunker 2 weeks ago
@williamdebunker Also you keep saying newspaper articles are facts, is it truly necessary that i point out history is full of wars and innocent deaths based of the lies and exaggeration of this thing we call "Yellow Journalism" or is everything in newspaper always true? All you have to support these are your word and pitiful sites for one, the first link is basically a essay so your turning this into a she said he said already, secondly, the stats link takes me to a broken site. Just as a btw
seller332 2 weeks ago
@seller332
So we're getting somewhere, you admit that not all my information is from the internet. Thanks.
Not all newspapers accurately report all the time. That's true for any source. The best way towards accuracy is to have corroborating evidence between multiple sources, like the police stats with the newspaper reports.
The link works, but you have to copy-and-paste all of it, rather than click. Youtube often breaks links if they go more than one line.
williamdebunker 2 weeks ago
@williamdebunker Your still claiming the same few sources you don't have much to run off all the info is he said she said. The official stat site still has room for error as does any site. Your claim is these few things are wrong so it all is. Your still running off a little bit of facts. You need more facts that are more accurate and more widely accepted. If all this isn't enough, your going into this with the thought that "The science we have right now is right this new science is wrong".
seller332 2 weeks ago
@williamdebunker If your going to fight this you must be a scientist right? If you are you should share the similar view that "No science is law" all science can be disproved and the only accepted sciencentific facts are newtons law's. Learn to expand your mind and be open to other ideas and not shoot it down so quickly with so little facts.
seller332 2 weeks ago
@seller332
It's true that nothing can be proved with 100% certainty, it's about which argument is stronger. Hagelin claimed crime lowered during his meditation; the newspapers reported crime at a high level, and police statistics support the newspapers.
Now rather than saying that maybe ALL the newspapers got it wrong, and the DC reports were wrong, and just ONE man is correct, it's more likely that he simply lied.
It's Hagelin that relies on "so little facts", not me.
williamdebunker 2 weeks ago
@williamdebunker Why base everything off this single point if the idea is debunking the entire movie? Lets skip that then lets assume your right on that. Prove everything else debunking including the spiritual woman. Yes is a long shot that she can do that YET all throughout history someone has seemed to possesed a similar power so, historically, this is assumed to be an accurate fact.
seller332 2 weeks ago
@seller332
So we're good on the meditation claim? Good. And the rest, including the spiritual woman? Great!
So what are we left with? Not much. The rest of the film is a narrative about a woman going through some challenges in life, interwoven with material about quantum mechanics that is presented in a way that the vast majority of quantum physicists reject outright.
If my video is short, it's because the movie doesn't have much actual content to debunk.
williamdebunker 2 weeks ago
Great Video, when i saw this Video, i knew it was Treading pretty Deep in an ocean of Bullshit, but great to see it Debunked Scientifically
deepwinter77 3 weeks ago
The description box states that this is "Episode 1 of Debunked!". Seeing as how this was uploaded back in 2009 could you get around to uploading more?
J3NNIF3R87 4 weeks ago
@J3NNIF3R87
I'd love to, but I don't currently have time, and I haven't found a good subject to debunk that hasn't already been heavily focused on. However, I have a couple of concepts that I'm throwing around.
williamdebunker 3 weeks ago
I really like your video and it is very true. Much of what the Secret and similar teaching promulogate are in fact false, however, these teaching do put in an element of truth, so we must be careful not to throw the baby out with the bath water. You mind is creative, and what you believe about yourself and life has a huge impact on how you respond to life and what you in turn get back from life. Hypnosis and NLP have demonstrated the POWER of belief's effects beyond any reasonable contradiction
branchingvine 1 month ago
This is like you saying the earth is flat, because you dont like Christopher Columbus, or thought he should have used other ships. You are nothing less than narrowminded and most likely religious
ebusdk 1 month ago
@ebusdk what?
Aanthanur 3 weeks ago
@ebusdk
No, it's like saying the Earth isn't flat because there is evidence to contradict the notion, and no compelling evidence to support a flat worldview. My video focused on the lack of evidence for their propositions and the evidence against them.
I'm not sure where you get the idea that I'm religious. But I think that quantum mysticism is its own religion, as it is dogmatic, without evidence, and anti-science.
williamdebunker 3 weeks ago 2
@williamdebunker
thank you for posting this video,I certainly see that you did a good research regarding this subject.
sayroni 1 month ago
Did you make some of the music for this, Will?
WolfRayStar 1 month ago
So with this few partly personal Arguments u wanna debunk the Movie, the Idea of an entangled Universe or just the person JZ Knight? Did you hear whats left inside of an Atom than the core? But to be funny seems more important then to look and understand what brings the troubles in our World. What you call mysticism and crap is just the scare of the unknown. Just replace it with laughter.
xandersons 1 month ago
At 1:12 - "Water is the most receptive of the 4 elements"! Ha ha ha. Yeah, I'm sure there's only four elements - if you're an ancient Greek. What a load of crap!
frostek 1 month ago
I get what you're going for here... and I like it... and you're not wrong
but man... there's still some crazy shit out there in reality
these assholes may have a hidden agenda in talking about this stuff... but it doesn't debunk the idea of consciousness having involvement in creating the reality we live in.
The double-slit experiment and EPR experiment have done things for the scientific community that we have to take into account.
vanderwalsh420 1 month ago
Why only one upload? Review another movie/book.
Or are you too busy ?
perodjetlic 1 month ago 2
I agree!
This is an invitation to everyone or anyone to see an artist theory on the physics of light and time!
This theory is based on two postulates
1. Is that the quantum wave particle function Ψ represents the forward passage of time ∆E ∆t ≥ h/2π itself
2. Is that Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle ∆×∆p×≥h/4π that is formed by the w- function is the same uncertainty we have with any future event that we can interact with turning the possible into the actual!
nickharvey7 1 month ago
Look at all these paradigms being challenged!! So funny to see the flat-landers get upset. Really shows the insecurities of their beliefs and understandings!
"Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is already made up!"
Sailor231 1 month ago
has anyone watched the language of the divine matrix? I'd like to see that debunked !don't think that's gonna happen though:)
hardcoraul 1 month ago
Where's episode 2?
Do "Thrive: What are you doing?"
nemirn 1 month ago
great job on the vid.i remember seeing it when i was younger and being impressed,but not convinced. thnx for the info
mebe84 1 month ago
"Get your ass naturally selected out of the gene pool FAST."
I loled so hard. That whole invisible theory is indeed fuckin retarded. If that theory is consistent, that should mean we have problems seeing anything as children and as we grow up without our parents being shamans.
Paur 1 month ago in playlist What the Bleep is BULLSHIT
It's ironic that once you believe these things could be true and open yourself to the possibilities than you start becoming aware. You start to see things differently. At the end it's all about choice- faith and belief.
If you take this course in life see it as a temporary workshop. Though to participate this workshop you have to give 200% and believe in the possibilities. Or else it will not work for you. Thats how simple it is. I'd say just give it a go! :-D
gabebauer 1 month ago
when we gonna see more vids man?
Kitsushika 2 months ago
The movie was for the most part an excellent and brief expose on the huge business of mixing the most advanced science we know and religion. However, regarding quantum particles...quantum particles take every possible route from point a to point b, unless you measure what route they take, and this is not due to the measurement method, but rather to the measurement itself. Source: Stephen Hawking.
blueantipole 2 months ago
what happened to your insidesynthesis channel?
LizardBonerKING 2 months ago
Hahahaha, I'm already crazy, but this is funny. If it's true that the karma (energies, vibrations, or whatever), at a location have an effect on human behavior, as in the Washington D.C. example, then I have a theory. Ready? It's a good one.
Maybe there's so much crime in Washington D.C. because of this "karma level" or whatever you wanna call it. And maybe that energy level is so bad in Washington because of all of the baby sacrificing, pedophile, Saturn worshipers that work there? Who knows?
ihatecon 2 months ago
@williamdebunker About this whole JZ Knight thing. I'm pretty sure she's not one to trust 100%. Not even close. But, I don't see what's so ridiculous about her channeling an entity? Is it that you doubt it's a 3500 yr old warrior god, or that channeling is possible in the first place?
I'm pretty sure things like channeling actually are possible, and occur more often than you may be aware of. Look it up. There's plenty of people who have made similar claims, and produced autowritten books, etc
ihatecon 2 months ago
@ihatecon
Well if someone has a book it MUST be true!!!
Titus420ful 2 months ago
@Titus420ful Not at all what I'm saying. These are supposed to be autowritten books.... as in like, written in one sitting without stopping. Not even to think. Can't say I was there when they wrote them, so I can't really vouch for all those claims being true... But it's supposed to have happened enough times for me to give the idea some credence. Furthermore, the books that were produced like this were hella crazy. Externalisation of the Hierarchy, Keys of Enoch, The Book of the Law, n more.
ihatecon 2 months ago
@ihatecon
Relax, I'm just being a smart ass, not trying to make you sound like an idiot. You accomplish that on your own. HA! kidding again don't take it seriously.
But anyway you shouldn't give ideas credence based on supposition, you should give credence based on evidence.
You don't know that the books were written in that manner. That is an extraordinary claim, and hence I require extraordinary evidence. Of course there are things going on that don't fit our HUMAN perception, hence science.
Titus420ful 2 months ago
@Titus420ful hahaha. You're funny.... Anyway, I wouldn't consider mainstream science to have all the answers, and I'm sure they have their own unsubstantiated claims and dogmas. Yes, I agree science would lead us to some answers in it's proper application. However, I don't see that as being the case with the current system, even with peer review. There are many subjects that are considered taboo, where even talking about them could result in becoming ostracized from the scientific community.
ihatecon 2 months ago
@ihatecon
I'm not claiming that mainstream science currently has "all the answers" and there is not a single scientist in a single field who would claim that, either. True scientist, that is. What I'm saying is that if there is any discoverable truth underlying the mysteries of reality, it's the scientific method that will lead us there. The scientific method is rigorous and that's why these woo-types harbor resentment against it. They're human ego gets in the way of true discovery.
Titus420ful 2 months ago
@Titus420ful Really though, I've never attempted to channel spirits or anything of the sort. But I've seen enough evidence for me to consider it to be a genuine possibility. For example, you should look up the Enochian language. I'll admit I know very little about its inner workings, but this language was supposedly channeled to John Dee and Ed Kelley in the 15 or 1600's. It's supposed to be encoded in some hella crazy mathematics. Same with Hebrew too. Look up Stan Tenen and Dan Winter. GL!
ihatecon 2 months ago
@ihatecon
Is it really evidence, though, or is it anecdotal? I mean, I'll look up the stories, but the thing is these channeling claims are never able to be reproduced in a controlled environment. Why do all spirits hate controlled environments? You would think that by now the spirit of SOME atheistic scientist would channel someone and be happy to do it in a lab to prove the truth of these claims, but that just doesn't happen....
Titus420ful 2 months ago
@ihatecon
....and then the woo-agers will claim that a controlled environment disturbs the spirit channeling process....not only is this a blatantly shameless cop-out, but it renders the entire claim unfalsifiable, and in the eyes of science, utterly useless. And since science is the only real objective way to discover the most accurate and up to date understanding of the universe, reality, etc, that we have....these claims just can't be classified as truth. Unfalsifiable=baloney
Titus420ful 2 months ago
@ihatecon
And when you think about it, the unfalsifiability of a claim is if not a red flag, a resounding clash as to the bogus nature of said claim.....Lies have to be unfalsifiable if they are to survive at all, even though they shouldn't..... like god claims and psychic claims and conspiracy theory crap....
You seem smart enough to be pickin up what I'm puttin down....
Anyway, sorry for the comment barrage....damn 500 character limit....
Titus420ful 2 months ago
@Titus420ful Don't trip on the comments. I'm hella enjoying the conversation. I see what you're saying about unfalsifiability, and it makes sense. Some people just may be full of crap. Definitely look up the Enochian stuff, and especially the stuff on hebrew though. It turns out that language is all based on sacred geometry, and the phi proportion. The fact that it was encoded in the bible, first verse of genesis, makes it even more crazy. I don't know how anyone could have been that clever.
ihatecon 2 months ago
@Titus420ful and as for the conspiracy theory stuff, I can point you to some crazy videos, which to me, seem hella much like evidence that there's a lot more going on the scenes than we are lead to believe. You will have to suspend your disbelief a bit, but just a bit, only enough to give it a chance. lol.
ihatecon 2 months ago
@ihatecon I'll look it up, probably tomorrow. I will try to get back to you with my opinion. When you say: "theres a lot more going on (behind) the scenes than we are led to believe." I can't help but notice how vague that statement is...what particularly are you talking about, and what are the titles of a few of these vids?
And I can't suspend disbelief of claims I haven't even heard yet, haha....
Anyway, I'll get back to ya.
Titus420ful 2 months ago
@Titus420ful hahaha. The explanation was too damn long. lol. Anyway, that's some crazy stuff... And I guess it also depends on how much you know about certain aspects of these conspiracy theories. lol. Some of those symbols n shit. Anyway, let me know what you think. Check out that other stuff I was talking about when you get a chance. I'm just thinking all of these things are interrelated. That sacred geometry shit is hella deep, I promise you. Something's going on, at least. lol
ihatecon 2 months ago
@Titus420ful Anyways, you're just trying to make me sound like an idiot, and if you've already made up your mind that all of this is impossible, there may be no use in me trying to convince you otherwise. That's not my problem anyway. You should look into it though, cause there are definitely things going on in the world that won't fit your current conception of reality. Just cause you don't believe in something doesn't make it any less true though. Keep an open mind homie. Who knows? Peace!!
ihatecon 2 months ago
I get offended when I see beautiful people being manipulated like how this video does. Doesn't matter if its true or not. And I do hope to reach enlightenment one day. I hope we all do.
Quazire 2 months ago
No my friend I am far from enlightenment I just woke up one day and realized that we are all being fucked everyday of our lives.
Quazire 2 months ago
@Quazire
Yeah. How dare this video manipulate us with facts and evidence?! My sense of credulity is forever scarred!!
Seriously though, I don't understand how attaching yourself to some pseudoscience cult crap follows from realizing that we are all being fucked every day of our lives...
Why don't you ACT to change the fact that we're being fucked rather than simply latching onto a security blanket of a philosophy of vacuous bullshit and sucking on a pacifier of unreasonable belief....?
Titus420ful 2 months ago
I applaud you. Its amazing how aggressive people get when their beliefs about pseudo scientific nonsense is challenged.
grandmastershek 2 months ago
You've been very rational in your arguments and your presentation is great! Thank you so much for making this! I didn't know what to believe anymore after watching the movie. It is extremely cruel to distort people's idea of reality and feed them crap. And don't mind the name-callers. They're victims themselves.
athusiva1 2 months ago
Love this debunking, cheers.
"What this documentary said, is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point, in it's rambling, incoherent response, was it even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone who watched it is now dumber for having sit through it."
dotEXC 2 months ago
Hey buddy GET A FUCKING LIFE. What the fuck do you know. Its sad that you debunk a documentary that's good for you it brings people hope that they have some kind of control in their life and your trying to take that away from people just because you don't understand. Get a fucking life or kill yourself you selfish asshole. And for the rest of you,keep the hope because you are all something special and u are in control.
Quazire 2 months ago
@Quazire Awww someone doesn't want to lose their blankie.
I bet this fool considers him/herself "enlightened".
grandmastershek 2 months ago
Im not here to substantiate any claims, you do a good enough job of that on your own. You just add fuel to the fire. I guess we need people like you though. Someone has to be the guinea pig...
patmore02 2 months ago
@patmore02
It's cool, I get it. It took me a lot of work to research, find books and articles that talk about Emoto's process and background, go through crime statistics and newspapers, and dig through hours of interviews to find information about JZ Knight.
It's totally easier to say "you're full of shit" when you disagree with someone, rather than all that troublesome reading and thinking stuff.
williamdebunker 2 months ago 2
@williamdebunker Indeed...WTB was nothing more than a cult trying to garner adherents. Sadly, many people clung to this because it gave the impression that science was beginning to confirm spiritual ideas and now they want to cling to that so hard because in their hearts they know science is far more productive than spirituality.
grandmastershek 2 months ago
@williamdebunker Well, so many people were inspired by the claims you 'debunked,' that they started to do these experiments on their own.You can check the rice test done by tons and tons of people proving that their thoughts really did have an effect.You plan on debunking those too?Russian scientist are now proving DNA stores memories and is highly influential.Going to debunk that too?There is a growing interest in this stuff.You have your job cut out for you if you plan on debunking them all.
Synconntez 2 months ago 2
@Synconntez The rice experiment has never been duplicated in a properly controlled experiment. Individuals testing an experiment in an uncontrolled environment (i.e. their homes) isn't scientifically useful.
I'm not sure what the relevance of DNA and memories has to do with Emoto being full of shit. Care to explain?
williamdebunker 2 months ago
@williamdebunker If I were only referencing the rice test alone,then you could discredit it. The point of the other research is to prove Emoto is on to something. Many laugh at Newton too. Einstein was not even looked at. Years down the line Emoto will be a hero. We are moving away from obsess over physical science to possibly meta-physical ones. Exposure & Influence science. FINALLY! And may I add, tons of science came out of home tests quickly stolen and patented by deep pockets, so please...
Synconntez 1 month ago
@Synconntez let me also add, penicillin was one of those home experiments BTW.And now a multi-billion bio-chemical industry exists, when physicians didn't like the idea of medicine that did NOT involve cutting you open.Someone once asked me, why was there so much resistance to string theory, when once people called Hawking a genius, and I said, dude, if it's true, they have to pull the hadron collider down and redesign it around strings and waves instead of motion and particle acceleration.SCARY
Synconntez 1 month ago
@williamdebunker And lastly, anything demonstrable over and over IS SCIENCE. We then ask why it keeps happening not sit around and pretend it didn't happen because we didn't have it in a lab, endorsed it with a 1million dollar grant or other endowments and can not make it into a phone app! Think out side the box! Applicable science isn't the best science just the most profitable one. Debunk that!!!
Synconntez 1 month ago
@Synconntez
I didn't reply because you haven't actually provided any information, sources, or details that I could actually respond to.
Rather, you just rambled about greedy bio-chemistry industries and deep pockets patenting home science tests, as if any of that had any bearing on the validity of quantum mysticism.
williamdebunker 3 weeks ago
@Synconntez you got sources that support your claims?
Aanthanur 3 weeks ago
@Aanthanur As a matter of fact a landslide of information.I wrote some, to which the debunker decide rather than refute them just not post them at all.For the time being anyway it'd be an exercise in futility to argue this.The fact is the scientific community is broken up into two branches at this point both after endowment for future studies into their specific interest.Some believe it's time for meta-physical inquiries & others despite the debt they've already racked up, think no change needed
Synconntez 3 weeks ago
@Synconntez and your source for this alleged broken up science community?
metaphysics is for philosophy. others deal with reality.
Aanthanur 3 weeks ago
@Aanthanur First of all, Aanthanur, I am happy to see you showing interest in this stuff by asking questions and asking me about my point of view, not just being quick to dismiss everything incomprehensible to you as 'quackery.' Here is a video of such a dismissal watch?v=7Ej97geNCsk. Here are two videos changing the scenario completely to dismiss THAT dismissal. watch?v=P2T6oC-53UQ & watch?v=h6wVnBI3cnU This is just a minor example (to be continued)
Synconntez 3 weeks ago
@Aanthanur (continued - 2) here is Emoto's original precept watch?v=k1-0ulKgmio, here are subsequent experiments suggesting he is on to something: watch?v=xLJJ9vCXvOI , watch?v=4sbzCaEsHfw , watch?v=2qayHlgNGrc , watch?v=ILSyt_Hhbjg . What are the two things this new science suggests and why do people feel nervous about it? One imagine being told that scientifically your boss yelling at you everyday is actually aging you which is why stress manifests into physical sickness! Liability suite!
Synconntez 3 weeks ago
@Aanthanur (continued 3) meant 'suit.' Have you ever heard the expression your intent affects the outcome? Implies, if you intend to debunk it you won't get the same result. So if your intent is to make money,you do that, but if your intent was to just help others, you achieve that. Chemistry is now being referred to as Chem-ology. Why? The atomic model has been debunked, but for over 200 years the medical community resisted this change because of the bio-chemical industry.
Synconntez 3 weeks ago
@Aanthanur (continued 4) Now except making my cock erected for longer, exactly what has this industry done in the last 40 years? What breakthrough have we had? They cured impotence with Viagara. Fantastic, and affliction that only affects a group of middle aged to elder men, now they can get at that PENSION! Yummy! But erm, they can find better things to do than screw. These same people are afraid of healing through constant realignment sciences, but I KNOW it's the way to go.
Synconntez 3 weeks ago
@Aanthanur (continued 5) Mr. Debunker over here pointed out the Earth is not flat, but it IS flat what it is NOT is discontinued or 'linear.' This is because the space is warped around the Earth's core, but from a perceivable angle, it appears flat and in fact, take a piece of straight wood and lie it on the ground, does it stay connected to the surface from tip to tip? Where this warp starts to be evident is at a distance, but you'd need to travel some distance away to finally see the warping.
Synconntez 3 weeks ago
@Aanthanur (continued 6) The warping happens at a sub-atomic level and is the result of the gravitational nature of each atom itself, implies, we as atomic structures remain warped WITH the earth, and we ALSO are curved. But do we notice we are actually being bent around the earth core? Nope! Only if we jump or spin around. But Mr. Debunker has no associate degree in anything, I am SURE! He is an opinionative chap with a computer, just like anyone else. Leave the science to the SCIENTISTS!
Synconntez 3 weeks ago
@Synconntez science can be done by everyone, even children have already published scientific peer reviewed studies. but the nonsense that was shown in your videos has nothing to do with science at all.
its nonsense, nothing more.
but alsong your beliefs make you happy :) have funn
Aanthanur 3 weeks ago
@Aanthanur If you think that these videos are the bulk of the science I have witnessed then suit yourself, but most labs don't publish a pursuit. If they are convinced of a break through they hide their findings until they create an application. Only foundations studying theoretical findings are forced to publish by our bylaws. So i will end it with that. But these findings coincide with somethings I have seen.
Synconntez 3 weeks ago
@Synconntez and wich law exactly does force foundations studying theoretical findings to publish their findings? are you talking baout the US or witch country?
Aanthanur 3 weeks ago
@Aanthanur We have bylaws right here in the USA that push labs here in the USA to put the result of whatever research thesis they submitted to get the grant to do in journals or by white papers. Peer reviewers can access these papers through whatever channels provided. Depending on the circumstance, their may be an official press release. Independent (ala private research) is the soul property of the person doing that study, but access to certain kinds of chemicals may require licensing.
Synconntez 3 weeks ago
@Aanthanur For your information, there are groups using discrete vibration patterns to see if genes respond. A study already published showed genes are in fact definitely done in a sequence pattern by mapping the sequences to a sound modulator and what resulted was coherency. The word i used was DISCRETE. When Eisenstein proposed light appears in discrete packets instead of an unbroken spectrum people denied it too until E=MC^2. Which indicated matter is quantitative energy.
Synconntez 3 weeks ago
@Synconntez what is the titel of that study and who are the autors? So i can llok up that alleged study.
Aanthanur 3 weeks ago
@Aanthanur Title?Strike one.Who the F 'titles' their research.A thesis statement is the best 'title' you often find a team working under.A journalist may provide whatever title he or she wants if that study is published in a medical journal, a news paper article or a white paper.I have seen various articles in magazines, example one recently done that suggests in fact everyone in the world but 2 tribes in Africa has neanderthal DNA.Trying to look how this research was initiated proves difficult
Synconntez 3 weeks ago
@Synconntez when a scientific publication in a journal passed peer review and gets published, it will have a title, i don't care who makes that title, but in order for me to find that publication i need something to search for. and that is usualy the title of the publication, the authors and the year of publication. i would be happy if you provide the title of the paper and if possible the name of the author. that is something totaly normal in scinece. how come you don't know that?
Aanthanur 3 weeks ago
@Aanthanur But guess what, even before Einstein said so, others proposed it. None every got credited. Suddenly radios were on the market and despite the fact that carriers communicated by sending discrete or "analogues" pulses way before the world was let it on this little secret. I supposed "cloaking" is also just a Star Trek invention, huh? LOL! I supposed 'black holes' don't suggest cloaking, huh? Sleep sheeeppppp.
Synconntez 3 weeks ago
@Synconntez black holes are cloaking?
what? and radios were invented when Einstein was 16...... i don't see exactly what you are claiming here.
Aanthanur 3 weeks ago
@Aanthanur The Eiffel Tower was up by the time Einstein was 10, and I am sure, not only he, but the French Citizens would have wondered what the hell purpose does it serve.No one thinks that it's just a decoration.Actually, many did.But the tower must have been built to specification or it would be useless.My physics book from my childhood printed way after the fact does not seem to indicate what researchers first started making use of this science as if no one even knew until way later 0_0
Synconntez 3 weeks ago
@Synconntez what the heck are you talking about, what has the eiffel tower to do with it ????
Aanthanur 3 weeks ago
@Aanthanur Supposed I told you that there is no such thing as a black hole and that what is happening is the same thing that causes matter to actually wrap around the Earth Core, and that the light isn't escaping because it is moving AROUND the object, what then! Suppose I told you the Sun is LESS dense than the Earth and that it is expanding because of WEAK gravity what then, huh? Am I the heretic scientist. Am I your Galileo? Huh? Wanna burn me or hang me on a cross, huh?
Synconntez 3 weeks ago
@Synconntez if yo told me so, i would ask you for evidence for your claims. so what is your evidence?
Aanthanur 3 weeks ago
@Aanthanur There are theorists no different that string theorists.If they have funding already, they don't need to write a book about their beliefs.Others write books to gain enough cash to do independent research for the glory of it.But you put your ears to the ground and who knows what 'theory' you may pick up or who knows who has actually done the experiment. You should ask the question how many Einstein-ian experiments went unpublished during his life time....Do you know who Victor Ninov is?
Synconntez 3 weeks ago
@Synconntez im not interested in books, but in peer reviewed publications in respected science journals. what has Ninov to do with it?
Aanthanur 3 weeks ago
@Aanthanur String theory is total nonsense, yet it is proposed by the one guy who was herald by the scientific community as the best in the world until he started preaching this foolishness, huuuh? Yet is it or is it not science, huuuh? Tell you what...let's have this debate at a later date, when the denial is receding and the interest in the geometric model of the atom becomes the norm ;) Cuz it'd be a shame to build a billion dollar piece of equipment for nothing.... :) have funn
Synconntez 3 weeks ago
@Synconntez
"Now except making my cock erected for longer, exactly what has this industry done in the last 40 years?"
How about CT scanning, MRI scanning, DNA fingerprinting, vaccines for rubella, chicken pox, pneumonia, meningitis and Hep A, stem cell therapy, human-controlled synthetic limbs, lung transplants, laser cataract surgery, tissue engineering and advanced skin grafting, facial transplants, the genetic identification of hundreds of conditions...
Oops, ran out of room.
williamdebunker 3 weeks ago
@williamdebunker Dude... all the things you listed are from making better apparatus to detect subatomic phenomenons... That is not bio-chemistry. Bio-chemistry uniquely is about how molecular compounds affect molecular compounds, but we all have to recognize the affect is manifesting from even below quarks level. My gripe is why do we subject human beings to science before we are sure the exact effect... answer.. profit.
Synconntez 3 weeks ago
@Synconntez i see, you have alot of beliefs, but no evidence to support any of them.,
yes lets have that debate once you can source your claims and cite some evidence.
Aanthanur 3 weeks ago
@Aanthanur Here is a belief that is official. Quantum mechanics suggest that each packet of energy is discrete and can be accounted for.A particle is rated at having lets say 330 MeV.Now we should be able to detect each MeV discretely, correct?And then from there, an eV uniquely.Or why the hell would we call it 'Quantum' mechanics.Well I respect the 'should' part, but why does the instrument say. Well for one, eV is a fragment of something... WHAT!?! Erm, .511 something. WHAT!?! Fccck you!
Synconntez 3 weeks ago
@Synconntez what the heck is an official belief?
Aanthanur 3 weeks ago
@Aanthanur An official belief is one that the ministry of education puts out in our public school system.Before Newton, wave behavior was considered on a gradient scale defined by calculus which allows us however to pinpoint amplitude and frequency at specific moments.On a two-d scale however, since then we have made an osculation derivative of calculus.Newton confined light to this scale.Einstein suggested light is a particle.Photons have no rest mass, doesn't qualify.Official implies accepted.
Synconntez 3 weeks ago
@Synconntez well i don't know about the US, but here in Switzerland, they don't teach beliefs in science class, but science,
and maybe it would be a good idea to learn the difference between a hypothesis and a theory. you just called your hypothesis (to be generous) a theory. and we are talking about science here, so there is a clear definition what a theory is.
Aanthanur 3 weeks ago
@Aanthanur xDDD! Switzerland? Where the girls are blond and buxom Switzerland? You must be LOVING it! What 'beliefs.' Look, you can make a math model, I can make a math model, Sponge Bob Square Pants can make a model, then as an academic body we come to terms with one model and teach that, but we also teach idiosyncrasies as well in case some day someone disproves it.Even Einstein said some day someone would come along and find the variables that causes entanglement and other oddities.
Synconntez 3 weeks ago
@Synconntez well your strange picture of Switzerland doesn't suprise me at all, considering your strange picture of reality.
Aanthanur 3 weeks ago
@Aanthanur I realize that you really aren't a down to Earth sort. I was just kidding; anyway you say to-ma-toe, I say to-maa-do. You'll probably reply, I will read it, but I supposed that'd be the last interaction needed as this dialogue has ceased to move u in any direction except fan-boy, while I will continue to take down the model, rebuild it, take it down again, rebuild it, until for sure it check's out with no discrepancies, while you fan boy science as if it is a temple or something.
Synconntez 3 weeks ago
@Synconntez you don't even knwo what science is, but hey aslong your yunk talk makes you feel smarter.
Aanthanur 3 weeks ago
@Aanthanur from the get go I had 0 interest in debating.I simply pointed out our current understanding of physical and meta-physical events is not nearly complete enough for to debunk any research that suggest correlation simply on the premise that it interferes with our 'personal' belief.Then it turned into a discussion asking me to 'prove' it so instead I simply debunk excepted precepts and concepts stated a mare 50years ago as fact and arguable today.By the way I am smart.Thanks for noticing.
Synconntez 3 weeks ago
@Synconntez No you are not smart at all, not ven informed. you have no clue what the current understanding is in science.
Aanthanur 3 weeks ago
@Aanthanur I am glad you said that, now could you please, please, pleeeaaasssseee tell me what the 'current understanding is in science?" Here is a chance to put your money where your mouth is smart guy. Please tell me what it is I don't understand, because I am dying to here this.
Synconntez 2 weeks ago
@Synconntez as evidenced by your posts, you are ignorant about the scientific method and also the peer review process.
Aanthanur 2 weeks ago
@Aanthanur As evidence of your ignorance you are ignorant of the fact that I am well aware of a process designed nearly 2300 years after the concept of science was stumbled upon and inscribed in the Kametic Egyptian tongue as 'thought,' into the Latin paraphrasing by Rene Decartes, "cogito ergo sum," I think therefore I am. I didn't ask you about peer review being someone who sat on such a panel and I doubt you have ever. So quite dancing, and lets here about the science you know that I don't.
Synconntez 2 weeks ago
@Synconntez LOL you was a reviewer for a scinetific journal? LOL what was it the Joirnal of International Charlatanery?
Aanthanur 2 weeks ago
@Aanthanur sigh did I say anything about being a reviewer? And any one can pick up a journal and read it, so in that regard, any person with a reasonable curiosity and sizable vernacular can make use of the journal and in so doing be a reviewer. Anybody can read.... I distinctly said peer review.... Anyway, banter is fun when it's constructive. I find you to be a malicious individual that is quite obstructive to any new idea. I recommend deep lamenting to cure you of this affliction.
Synconntez 2 weeks ago
@Synconntez
You stated "I didn't ask you about peer review being someone who sat on such a panel and I doubt you have ever." That would seem that you had sat on such a review panel.
Did you simply write a poorly composed sentence (which happens to everyone), or have you sat on a such a panel? Where? When?
I understand that you might not want to disclose personal info (I don't), but there's no point in bringing up qualifications if you're unwilling to verify them.
williamdebunker 2 weeks ago