"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people"
@turdferguson9725 Then you should be mad at Hamilton and Madison for the General Welfare Clause, since it allows what you consider to be unconstitutional.
"There is no constitutionally protected freedom to be able to refuse to be insured or to avoid paying for the benefits provided." --Erwin Chemerinsky dean of UC Irvine School of Law
@Macabre215 That's general welfare of the union, not welfare, AKA "votes for cash"
This Erwin Chemerinsky sounds like a good little communist.
You sound like a real winner too, what with liking FDR, the president who threw american citizens in concentration camps because of their race, and LBJ the "If we give those niggers a civil rights act, they'll vote democratic for the next 200 years".
I net you think the interstate commerce clause covers everything under the sun too.
Insurance Cos should be abolished in Health Care we dont need them ! They do not provide care they simply pay claims and collect our money then RAKE OFF Billions for themselves instead of paying out the claims without denial as they should be doing. It is PAST TIME to get rid of Insurance in the Health Care Arena
Using a real-world example... Nobody should be forced to pay $49,000 for having a congenital heart disease. Nor should they pay $9,000 (the at-cost price) Not only do they have the disease, but now they're being fined as though they are a criminal for it.
What kind of message does that send? It's egregious, and something must be done about it. It's the 21st century.
@abyssquick, gee, it's not like healthcare costs money and someone has to pay for it. I'm not going to let you take thousands of dollars of my money to pay for people that didn't take care of themselves, that smoked, were obesse, etc. Even if it's not by choice and just a random accident, they should been responsible and gotten insurance.
You're talking to a person who was born with a heart condition that requires a pacemaker treatment. I can't get health insurance, and if I can it's priced out of my range. I'm already facing my first medical bankruptcy. I can't get access to credit, I can't get a mortgage or home, and I have to pursue employment based on insurance options.
"My responsiblity?" You misrepresented my argument with a straw-man assumption - no, you are selfish (taking your money?) & oblivious to the issue.
@abyssquick, Oh I never said that what we had was a free market healthcare system. I was simply pointing out the problems in a socialist system. Everybody hates the ridiculous cost of healthcare. To fix it you have the start at the problem. Here: watch?v=A7z4iHCNHMI
And by the way, I don't smoke, drink, do drugs, or eat unhealthy foods. Your assumption about people such as myself reeks of conceited judgement. Not everyone indulges in the irresponsible standard American diet.
If you want people to be healthier, thereby lowering healthcare, then people need to be educated about health, and the food industry needs stricter regulations on junk food. Most of what Americans eat is junk.
@abyssquick, healthcare would be cheaper for the rest of us if more people were unhealthy, economies of scale and all that. "Education" and expanding the nanny state by banning food (of all things, why food?) is not going to help at all.
No, that's not what I'm saying.. I'm not talking about anarchism.. read the words I wrote.. or consult the articles written by the dean of Harvard Medical, economist Roderick Long, or any good piece that takes the empirical economic history of "insurance" into account.
You asked me a question. I honestly and earnestly answered you. You replied with personal insult.
I.e., it would be a hell of a lot more universal than what Obama is currently proposing, plus it doesn't require any bureaucratic imposition or funding under threat of death/prison (taxation).
For more info, google "Health care reform: without a correct diagnosis, there is no cure"
Based on history, we would have non-profit co-ops and friendly societies that most people join and receive insurance therefrom. We would also have some for-profit insurance and, given the status quo, governmental safety nets for emergencies, old age, children, etc.
The important point, however, is that healthcare would be radically cheaper and more accessible for all people, as well as more efficient and responsive to individual needs.
- directly subsidizing for-profit pharmaceuticals and other "health industries"
- allowing healthcorp to use the FDA as a barrier to trade (oligopolies -> prices go up)
- enforcing arbitrary requirements for insurance coverage details as lobbied for by respective unions and corporate firms (eg. for women over 50 have to have pregn cov)
This list is hardly comprehensive and doesn't even touch on general state-subsidization of corporations over individual markets (lim liability, etc)
If you agree with that then we need to step up our game. In th comment section of my profile you will find a petition by Howard Dean... please sign it and while you are there make a few phone calls and let them all know what you think. Thanks.
america don't worry, just like the fucking stupid southern "christian" fundies embraced the jews (cause their end of times won't come until all the jews either convert or are killed), they'll do another 180 and embrace health care as a moral responsibility.
that is as soon as they start to lose their employee coverage. then they'll damn obama and the dems for not passing it.
American health insurance used to be nonprofit (friendly societies), until the AMA and other cartels used the GOVERNMENT to create monopolies on health services and insurance, and destroyed nonprofit healthcare.
The state is the problem. Giving the state more power is not the optimal solution.
Anyone who's actually interested in remedying the problems of US healthcare needs to read economist Roderick Long's "How Government Solved the Health Care Crisis."
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people"
10th amendment, US constitution.
turdferguson9725 1 year ago
@turdferguson9725 Then you should be mad at Hamilton and Madison for the General Welfare Clause, since it allows what you consider to be unconstitutional.
"There is no constitutionally protected freedom to be able to refuse to be insured or to avoid paying for the benefits provided." --Erwin Chemerinsky dean of UC Irvine School of Law
Macabre215 1 year ago
@Macabre215 That's general welfare of the union, not welfare, AKA "votes for cash"
This Erwin Chemerinsky sounds like a good little communist.
You sound like a real winner too, what with liking FDR, the president who threw american citizens in concentration camps because of their race, and LBJ the "If we give those niggers a civil rights act, they'll vote democratic for the next 200 years".
I net you think the interstate commerce clause covers everything under the sun too.
turdferguson9725 1 year ago
#LOL some people believe this shit. The world is not thinking very much at all.
Houshalter 1 year ago
@variablast, the state is always the problem. Why do you think healthcare costs so much? Do you think it's going to get cheaper?
Houshalter 1 year ago
Insurance Cos should be abolished in Health Care we dont need them ! They do not provide care they simply pay claims and collect our money then RAKE OFF Billions for themselves instead of paying out the claims without denial as they should be doing. It is PAST TIME to get rid of Insurance in the Health Care Arena
1234uz 2 years ago
If we want the PUBLIC OPTION we need to make our calls today. I have the numbers on my profile fo anyone who may need them. Thanks.
Smartassawhip 2 years ago
juste un peu, petit peu. no I haven't been to the maritimes as yet. one day.
LeGioNoFZioN 2 years ago
What a pathetically childish response, grandpa...
Do you understand that you are here explicitly in denial of demonstrable and sourced facts?
You will find solidarity in your attitude with flat-earthers and creationists. Enjoy your intellectual company.
jonnniefivemiles 2 years ago
Using a real-world example... Nobody should be forced to pay $49,000 for having a congenital heart disease. Nor should they pay $9,000 (the at-cost price) Not only do they have the disease, but now they're being fined as though they are a criminal for it.
What kind of message does that send? It's egregious, and something must be done about it. It's the 21st century.
abyssquick 2 years ago
@abyssquick, gee, it's not like healthcare costs money and someone has to pay for it. I'm not going to let you take thousands of dollars of my money to pay for people that didn't take care of themselves, that smoked, were obesse, etc. Even if it's not by choice and just a random accident, they should been responsible and gotten insurance.
Houshalter 1 year ago
You're talking to a person who was born with a heart condition that requires a pacemaker treatment. I can't get health insurance, and if I can it's priced out of my range. I'm already facing my first medical bankruptcy. I can't get access to credit, I can't get a mortgage or home, and I have to pursue employment based on insurance options.
"My responsiblity?" You misrepresented my argument with a straw-man assumption - no, you are selfish (taking your money?) & oblivious to the issue.
abyssquick 1 year ago
@abyssquick, Oh I never said that what we had was a free market healthcare system. I was simply pointing out the problems in a socialist system. Everybody hates the ridiculous cost of healthcare. To fix it you have the start at the problem. Here: watch?v=A7z4iHCNHMI
Houshalter 1 year ago
And by the way, I don't smoke, drink, do drugs, or eat unhealthy foods. Your assumption about people such as myself reeks of conceited judgement. Not everyone indulges in the irresponsible standard American diet.
If you want people to be healthier, thereby lowering healthcare, then people need to be educated about health, and the food industry needs stricter regulations on junk food. Most of what Americans eat is junk.
abyssquick 1 year ago
@abyssquick, healthcare would be cheaper for the rest of us if more people were unhealthy, economies of scale and all that. "Education" and expanding the nanny state by banning food (of all things, why food?) is not going to help at all.
Houshalter 1 year ago
There must be hundereds of thousands flying over to Switzerland to get hip replacements, oh, that's right, the planes are flying this way...
Health care delayed is health care denied.
GBS990 2 years ago
The Swiss come here for health care? Source?
eirefrance 2 years ago
Wow, how unnecessarily hostile and rude of you...
No, that's not what I'm saying.. I'm not talking about anarchism.. read the words I wrote.. or consult the articles written by the dean of Harvard Medical, economist Roderick Long, or any good piece that takes the empirical economic history of "insurance" into account.
You asked me a question. I honestly and earnestly answered you. You replied with personal insult.
Whatever.
jonnniefivemiles 2 years ago
I.e., it would be a hell of a lot more universal than what Obama is currently proposing, plus it doesn't require any bureaucratic imposition or funding under threat of death/prison (taxation).
For more info, google "Health care reform: without a correct diagnosis, there is no cure"
by Jeffrey S. Flier,
the Dean of Harvard Medical School
jonnniefivemiles 2 years ago
We would have whatever people want to have.
Based on history, we would have non-profit co-ops and friendly societies that most people join and receive insurance therefrom. We would also have some for-profit insurance and, given the status quo, governmental safety nets for emergencies, old age, children, etc.
The important point, however, is that healthcare would be radically cheaper and more accessible for all people, as well as more efficient and responsive to individual needs.
jonnniefivemiles 2 years ago
(continued)
- directly subsidizing for-profit pharmaceuticals and other "health industries"
- allowing healthcorp to use the FDA as a barrier to trade (oligopolies -> prices go up)
- enforcing arbitrary requirements for insurance coverage details as lobbied for by respective unions and corporate firms (eg. for women over 50 have to have pregn cov)
This list is hardly comprehensive and doesn't even touch on general state-subsidization of corporations over individual markets (lim liability, etc)
jonnniefivemiles 2 years ago
Things the state is doing wrong right now:
- subsidizing corporate insurance (and keeping individuals out of the market) via tax policy
- subsidizing monopolies via barriers to entry (state regs, fed regs, etc.)
- keeping medical costs high by restricting the number of med schools, immigrant students, and immigrant doctors
- enforcing the AMA monopoly over med licensing
- funding and enforcing a court system that encourages malpractice profiteering
- medicare/aide regs that prevent price mech
jonnniefivemiles 2 years ago
profiting = WIN WIN
jvittetoe 2 years ago
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WE DEMAND THE PUBLIC OPTION!
If you agree with that then we need to step up our game. In th comment section of my profile you will find a petition by Howard Dean... please sign it and while you are there make a few phone calls and let them all know what you think. Thanks.
Smartassawhip 2 years ago
nope Toronto, born and raised
LeGioNoFZioN 2 years ago
america don't worry, just like the fucking stupid southern "christian" fundies embraced the jews (cause their end of times won't come until all the jews either convert or are killed), they'll do another 180 and embrace health care as a moral responsibility.
that is as soon as they start to lose their employee coverage. then they'll damn obama and the dems for not passing it.
wntoply6 2 years ago
if you want health care come to Canada. Maybe we can switch places.
LeGioNoFZioN 2 years ago
The whole health system should be non-profit or what is the point of keeping people healthy?
Sherrod Brown my new hero.
FlowerClown 2 years ago
American health insurance used to be nonprofit (friendly societies), until the AMA and other cartels used the GOVERNMENT to create monopolies on health services and insurance, and destroyed nonprofit healthcare.
The state is the problem. Giving the state more power is not the optimal solution.
Anyone who's actually interested in remedying the problems of US healthcare needs to read economist Roderick Long's "How Government Solved the Health Care Crisis."
jonnniefivemiles 2 years ago