#88 - VSPB Bubbler shared resevoir test

[ericgozar]

Hi Zero. I have been an avid fan of you & your work so much so that I have developed my own version from your coupled bubbler that really works. I had been selling those for sometime now at $400 each & have had a good custumer base who are quite happy w/ my HHO coupled bubbler version.So far 3 years now & I have not even one who returned the unit to me, I plan to upload the video & plans also in 3D of how I made them.I also plan to sell those construction drawing plans in the near future

[kemahp]

Hi, here is a little alternative to connect bubbler arrestors or generator. Regards Hans

[kentek2007]

Why not install a one way valve then!

[sodapop503]

I dont understand why that didn't work. shouldn't it work just like a dry cell? where it is self circulating and the gas should just escape through the outlet at the top of your bubbler

[Nielshansen10]

Nice, how many bars do you think your system can hold.

[2br2br2]

The bubbler is anti-productive.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

...until you experience your first flashback into your cell. Then you will understand. Since you clearly have no intention of using a bubbler until you learn your lesson the hard way, hopefully all you end up with is some electrolyte on the bench or kitchen table and not in your eyes, in your aluminum intake manifold and engine head, or shrapnel in your face.

A good sturdy bubbler prevents all of these. It does not deter HHO production either, unless of course your cell leaks.

[TurntheWheel]

First I just want to say that you have inspired me to make my own cell and I think that your work is something to follow. I am curious if you have tested what damage, if any, was done the cylinders upon combustion of the HHO. You know that exhaust of the HHO combustion is water vapor, so are we100% sure that the vapor is completly cleared from the combustion chamber? Have you pulled the heads off to see the results?

[TurntheWheel]

Another question I had was, Do you think it would be wiser to use a carborated engine, so as to avoid EIFE costs and installation? It might be what the world needs to bring back the old American classics! Thanks for the hard work! Cheers

[ZeroFossilFuel]

I think it might be easier to confirm results. That's why I'm experimenting with smaller engines right now. But the end game is bolt-on solutions for FI engines. I still think we can make the EFIE work for us if we talk to it nicely enough.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

We have pulled heads. I can conclusively say that HHO and/or Water vapor do not harm an engine. Water vapor is formed by normal combustion anyway.

[summertimef1]

zero what do u use for electrolyzer?  baking soda or drano crystal or red devil lye?

[dorfgnal]

Where does the generator tie in at in what you have here in this videao.

Thanx Marlon

[Stormrunner0002]

A float valve in the bubbler should work. Simplest to visualize is a ping pong ball that floats on the surface and as the water rises the ball seals the output. As the bubbler and the cell equalize the ball drops with the output opens again.

There are many types of these. I like the float with a long rod on a runner. you can adjust the length of rod for the disired air space.

[kennyg099]

I tried this too. The liquid moves very quickly from the Fuel Cell to the Bubbler. I believe it is related to the Bernoulli Effect, a negative pressure differential occurs between the Bubbler and the Fuel Cell. Haven't got a solid solution yet.

[rusty8684]

try a one way valve so it does not back feed it will only go from the bubblier to the cell

maybe even have the tube from the bubblier to the intake bigger to help stop the back pressure (tap a vacuum line)

nice thought i was thinking about this too on extending the time until needing to top off the cell again

[jrmnw1]

In order for this to work you need to mount the bubbler higher than the electrolyzer and only slope the lines in one direction - no loops or valleys in the tubing.

[MMadmike]

I just use bronze mesh as a flashback arrestor eliminating the bubbler. Do you have a 02manipulator?

[vid009a]

Hi leewayx9, can you direct me to where I can see who is getting 4L to 6L per minute results ? I'm new here, and want to build one now the best way possible - thanks in advance

[vid009a]

any mileage results yet ?

[rearme05]

hi zero,I am from El Salvador central America and i want to know about how much days last the power of baking soda and how much i have to change it..how you make low amp. when fuel cell it's on.. thanks

[Shinta786]

what Toyota is that?

I am planning on making a electrolyser in a FISHTANK (not too big, but I should get enough HHO out of it). Do you know what is the BEST material for the electrodes. I used ZINK, IRON, ALUMINIUM AND some other metal I don't know, but all these metals "died" after a week. There came corrosion on them of something that looks like .... salt?

I used Na(CO3)2 as katalyst, but they say NaOH is better. Do you have experience with NaOH? The Na is good and OH is useful, but .... dunno

[Kikesurf1]

Dont know about the toyota, but stainless steel is what everyone is using...

[atechus]

U need to use Grade 304 and 316 stainless steel. For electrolyte, baking soda, is good enough to experiment

[szkadri]

Used STAINLESS STEEL Plate

[leewayx9]

Hi Zero, is your design based on the Hydrostar design? Stan Meyers? Or maybe both? Some guys are getting 4L to 6L per minute which is what I am guessing is needed to get my Hi-Output V6 to improve the gas mileage.

[CoolBooster]

Very few guys are getting 4L to 6L per minute. It only takes about 1L per minute to increase mileage, if you are using low amps to get that 1LPM.

[jwsoup]

Perhaps you could use a one way flow valve to correc the problem with your shared bubbler idea!

[DCSAN20]

Hi Zero I apreciate most your calm and the way that you explain what are you doing there. God work.

I have a sugestion with your shared bubler. You should put the bubler more higher than it is now ,you have diferent diameter of toube 4 inches and 3 inches in the 4 inches toube the presure it`s biger then the presure in the 3 inch tube so that way it`s pushing your electrolite from the cell tank. I have the same arangement and work just fine exept my bubler it`s a litlle higher

[goturtlepoop]

to answer hydro's comment...you are right...for now...but when you do have a flash back...you'll be sorry...it will be time to pick up peices and start over. The bubbler is ONLY for preventavtive safety...but, if you are sucking right from the gen...then you are boiling and use alot of water...with bubbler, water will last 100 times longer.

[hydrogenassist]

Hello Zero, If I'm not mistaken I read in some of your comments that you hadn't any problem with a flash back on your cell designs. My question is why the bubbler?. I've been running a canister that has no water in it. It only acts as a condensate trap. I've tried all of these containers for flash back and bubblers and have come to the conclusion that the engine burns the gas faster than it is produced. Never had any problem, these things only cause problems.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Extra measure of safety and reclamation of KOH in the stream to prevent it from getting into the engine. Very unhealthy for aluminum.

[hydrogenassist]

Thats true! not running sodium hydroxide just baking soda.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Even that I'd be careful about letting ito the intake.

[kiacell2007]

Hi zero, I've been working on my hho for five months now nothing but testing before it goes in car. Just thinking ahead a little what do you do in the winter time to keep thing from freezing up? I haven't got this far yet mainly heat and amp testing without buying one of those pw thingies. In my video # 14 i controlled water temp. I only just recently stared to post videos.. Regards Ken

[dryadiabatic]

I just had a thought that might help. Remember the bath air cleaners on the vehicles from the 40's and 50's, they had a material, looked like a Brillo pad, inside that captured the oil out of the airstream. You might use something similar that is nonconductive in the cell above the water level to capture the fluids out of the gas stream.

DAB

[ZeroFossilFuel]

See my video #55

[budssubs]

Zero,

Keep the bubbler higher than the cell. Have solution from the bubbler feed the bottom of your cell. Keep the cell fully immersed and draw HHO from the top of the cell and put it back into the bubbler just under the surface of the fluid. Your cell will always refresh itself, sloshing will not be a problem, and you still have the flash back protection.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Therein lies the problem. Can't keep the cell fully flooded, only the plates immersed.

[cuke8466]

Why can't you flood the cell?

[peskipisces]

See hydrosuper2,similar system but different configuration allowing fluid to flow from bubbler through hho cell.His seems to have no problems as described by yourself.

[cuke8466]

This may solve the backflow problem. Build a "U" shaped bubbler with two chambers joined at the bottom. Inlet and outlet connections above the water level, one in each chamber. It should be able to bubble in both directions without transfering any fluid out of the bubbler. A second idea I had was using two check valves. The first located in the generator outlet line to prevent backflow. The second (much smaller) located on the generator housing to allow air to enter after shutdown.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Build it! Show us!

[babaluto]

Hi Z,

Yep, it needs to have some type of solenoid or even a manual valve to equalize levels after production stops. I've started with a manual valve and been able to operate for 7 hours with no worries...yet. Maybe it's time for a stamp design to handle all this stuff.

[cuke8466]

I was thinking the same thing, but I like Atmel u-controllers better. Once we get a better idea of the parameters that controll efficiency automation will be a snap!