remember watching this choke for the first time and and thinking there is always one new trick around the corner. it's the "principal vs. technique " argument all over again. you break it down to the principal, in this case blood flow to the brain, and endless techniques can follow, only imagination limits the fighter. hell i remember watching keith hackney use a ranger/ tiger claw choke on joe son waaaay back in ufc history. great times in mma these days my friends, quantum leaps happening
@vinnys025 nope bro.. me too tried it.. you can look infront of a mirror.. while you twist your head sideways.. your neck is more exposed.. you can only turn your head away from him.. its impossible to turn your head on his side since his shoulder is blocking your jaw
For the love of God, just crush his testicles by squeezing with your hand, fuck the Von Fluey whatever, damn Matt Larsden and gay combatives level 1. Funny how virtually none even use it in the training simulations they have, let alone infantry or street fights against skilled opponents. Judo>Submission Grappling>BJJ.
@josh1212121 Try making an arguement. I offered a realistic alternative to the Von Fluey. The techniques of Judo Newaza are meant to go with striking and striking+grappling(such as a throw often times) to weaken the opponent, then to lock in something such as the ude garami(kimura) or juji gatame(armbar) QUICKLY, not to lolly gag and relie on sport rules, superior conditioning(cause usually they take on shity strikers), or point victories. Damage and speed is what works.
@leendert0123 Your not giving him pleasure guy, your attacking a weak point on his body by castrating him. BJJ and submission grappling are the ones that spend minutes on the ground cuddling each other and shit.
Everytime i've been in a situiatin like this they have removed there arm from around my neck, is there some way to execute this sub WITHOUT there arm around your neck?
I appreciate the usefulness of this in grappling but in MMA if you pass guard (as you said in a previous comment) they should let go. If they let you get that gabble grip position you should easily be able to get to mount and continue the von flue or transition to a Ezekiel. Not trying to bash on the move it has its uses, but i think they're are better options. Position then Submission :). thanks for all the videos they are quiet useful.
I just choked out some karate guy with this choke, he kept using the front kick, so i timed it, took him down, he went for a guillotine, i moved to side control..he still held on to it(face palm) and I used the Von Flu choke! :D
EVERYTIME i shoot for a takedown my opponent trie to apply a guillotine.. could i just shoot with my chine down and shoulders up to trick them into throwing it and then use this because i usually get in half guard or side control. usually half guard.. rarely full guard
@67Sman I doubt it. I`d say your body weight across a persons throat or face would be enough to make them tap. Because it looked like Mr. Ari was on his toes and leaning into the other guys throat.
It doesn't look like it could be done often, but I've been put in this by both Jason Von Flue and Andrew Von Flue, and even from half gaurd on a couple occasions. If you have skinny enough shoulders, you can do it from full gaurd. I roll with these guys 3 days a week, and I still can't get it just right. but it does take some work to perfect it
I saw this a few months ago, and decided to practice it. This is my absolute favorite choke so far. I've used it from side mount, half guard, full guard, and it has worked %95 of the time. I'm not a big guy either. I weigh 130 on a great day. Thanks for showing me this.
@joshjuba if you are in half or full guard, it helps to rotate your forearm so edge is on their cervical vertebrae, definitely the most painful neck crank i have ever felt, but it's really, really dangerous don't do that if you arent experienced
You can also get this choke from inside your opponents guard when he sits up to apply the choke. You just reach as far down his back as you can when he sits up, and make a fist(very uncomfortable for him) and then drive your shoulder into his throat. The only downside being if you're not deep enough he might still have the guillotine, and it could be a contest to see who taps first.
ur a true gangster ari. u rly are. thanks man i plan on using that later today to some stupid unsuspecting "uki" that has it comin. death and destruction baby can I get a hell yeah!?!? anyone!?!?
If the guy on the bottmom would release the neck lock or guilllotine attempt and rap his arms underneath, he could drive his shoulder up into the top guy's throat to effectively counter. Notice how you have to post and drive your bicep or shoulder. As rapidly as it comes on from the top, it is even more surprising from the bottom.
I call it a shoulder drive. It can be applied as a choke, or if they defend the choke, I call it "Jaw Breaker" or "Lock Jaw". My son owns with this move. He can apply it from the top and the bottom.
how well is this supposed to work? Should it still work if I'm 5'10" and 135 lb, and my opponent is 5'4" and 155lb (looks kinda like Sean Sherk)? Cuz I still get choked out by the heavier dudes even though I have side mount =[. Any tips?
I remember when I first started grappling I would move into something very similar to the von flue from the clinch. It was very effective and consistent, maybe it was bad form, but unconventional chokes are the most fun.
Thankyou for your reply. just tried searching for the vid you recommended. I cant seem to find it for some reason. I hope you didnt take it as a criticism of the von flue itself. I'm sure that it would make a good addition to the arsenal that one accumulates through endless hours of practice. I just know that when i have been careless enough to find myself in the side mount/control guillotine, it is still very painful and dangerous even from there.
@TheIjames The rule of thumb is to let go of the guillotine when someone has cross side position on you. If you type in "Von Flue Choke" you find the video of Jason vs Alex in the UFC. Hope that helps!
@Submissions101 Ok.. I got round to having a look at the fight you directed me to. So i have since tried it several times with varied results. One of the guys i train with relies heavily on his strength when being out skilled. This is why i have such problems with this technique. sometimes he lets go before i need to use it and sometimes he doesn't. I have still needed to tap because of the pain he was causing before i could do anything. I keep getting into the guillotine just to practice it.
@TheIjames I to see what you are saying but if you can finish the guillotine when your partner or opponet(sp) is in the cross mount, then well and dandy but it is truly a submission use from mount or when they are in your guard or sometimes halfguard. But you should always release the guillotine when your opponet gets into side mount.
@Sessyome3 yeah, i'm aware that you should not really hold the head once you have lost position. But against my training partners who still haven't grasped this simple rule 100%, it still isn't the most efficient technique, due to the fact that as you go for position you do for a second, give them space to reclaim a closed guard for their guillotine. Especially when their guillotine is very slick, or they are very powerful and just crank your neck regardless of your having side control/mount.
good in theory.. but i don't believe that it is a reliable counter/prevention or submission from that position. Particularly if your opponent is strong, not that he needs to be to hurt you from having you even like that.
@TheIjames Hey my friend. Please look up Von Flue vs Karolexsis (watch?v=aPQmH9mFSU0) to see this in action in a real mma fight. Please let me know your thoughts after watching that video ;-)
@TheIjames Of course it's a good prevention because you'd seek to move your body to the opposite side of the head as a matter of course when caught in a guillotine, regardless of trying any submission. They'd be stupid to keep trying for the guillotine from that position as it's near impossible to finish.
i definately could not use this against a stronger opponent. I believe it would be a better idea to break the hold on your neck by using the blade of your forearm against thier throat. not as a strike, just the pressure alone wouldbreak thier hold on you so you coul attempt the mount or perhaps a nth sth?
no one ever suspects a mexican to be watching this regular jujitsu stuff. ^_^ im a brazilian jujitsu brown belt, but im impressed with the 10th planet submissions that are like almost supreme grapples. major props to this jujitsu artist!! i suppose he could submit gsp and bj penn from ufc if he lifted his finger! ^_^
haha I actually used to be Jason von flue 's student out here at FKA in clovis CA, his cousin uses this technique alot but the grappling game out here is very limited, after seeing it used once I realized its a very risky move to use, but then again who in the right mind would hang on to a guillotine when someone has you in the sidemount
I won a pro mma fight with this choke on Sunday so it does work, sometimes when you shoot a double leg and the guy tries to guilotine you land him in side control and before he let's go of your neck you can trap the arm and start working the choke. It's a great sub and does work if you know how to do it properly. Keep up the good work Submissions 101.
@shelbydeth I've found this a lot at my gym as well. This one was especially useful for some of the stronger new guys who try to muscle a guillotine in without any thought of technique or position.
Apparently, you've never grappled with Judo people. They grab the head like this constantly. I usually just end me moutning them with my head still in their arms, but I will give this a go next time. Thanks for the video.
@Submissions101 Good in theory.. But i don't believe that it is a reliable counter/prevention or submission from that position. Particularly if your opponent is strong, not that he needs to be to hurt you from having you even like that. The take down you show is spot on, but i feel that it would be much more effective once on the floor, to just apply some pressure to their face or neck with the blade of your forearm to help break their grip then either go for a mount or maybe a nth sth attack.
@Submissions101 Holding onto a guiltine in any other postion than a half gaurd or a full gaurd is unacceptable too me if anyone does hug me and try to pull me down the first thing i do is try to pop a leg in for a gaurd or a half if that fails i let go if they do get side controll i go for and underhook with my left arm and use my right hand to grip the elbow and try for a half gaurd or i slide me left knee up to help prevent him from passing to mount are those good ideas?
@AZrider47 This isn't really intended for people starting out in side position. It's actually supposed to happen during a full on (no arms trapped) guillotine in full guard. There's a special way of posting up and shaking out While choking them. Then go to this part
no my point is. who the hell tries going for a gullitone choke when your on the bottom and have you've been side controlled? seems like a terrible idea to me. in an actual fight this wouldnt work you would just gas your arms.
I only want to say is: If you have nothing good to say about something, just dont say anything. Live and learn, regarless. Is all good and bad coments doesnt help any body.
if he starts guilotine on ground and is moving to guard, drive ur head down to his hip, bring your hips up as high as possible, and fall to his opposite side hip, controlling the legs with ur arms as u fall (otherwise u could wind up in guard and its over at that point). once u get side control von flue is a great option and he won't be able to finish guillotine.
I have no video, and i dont think submissions 101 has one for this, but my personal favorite, is stack them so your like a V over top of them, and put your free fore-accross their throat and push and pull your head away. this works 95% of the time for me because it puts pressure on their neck so they immeiately panic and let go.
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Retarded. This is why bjj will N-E-V-E-R be superior. You morons mispronounce every single stinking move. Not to mention your english alone sounds so horrendous when attempting to pronounce anything at all anyway. This move was been done for CENTURIES. Nothing new whatsoever. Why do you guys continue to dishonor yourselves by trying to give names to moves that have been around WAAAAAAY b4 anyone named gracie was even born?? You just sound ridiculous.
Please let us know what name you know it by. There are many moves in MA that have different names but are the same technique. Its just a name. How does 'mispronouncing a name" related to how BJJ will never be superior. That logic simply does not follow. I realize your post is just a trolling attempt to get a rise out of people. Its cool. I see jokers like this all the time. There was never a claim in this video that BJJ was the best. Do what makes you happy...if you can indeed do that.
@Submissions101 I love that the name caught on as the Von Flume choke. I loved the Alex Karalexis fight when out of nowhere Von Flume puts him to sleep.
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Fuck the gracies. Their jiu jitsu isn't superior to shit. Just like any other MA, you can't pit two of them against each other and see which one is better, because it's the way it's practiced by each user that can make it come out as a victorious. Oh, and modern day martial arts are better than they were 100s of years ago. It's called new people, new ideas, BETTER ideas. And nobody gives a fuck about a name, call it what you want. Hell, I call triangle chokes "Making Them My Bitch". Troll me.
@jedicelt Lol. I used to train under Cesar Gracie... and I believe that these guys (submissions101) are adding a decent flowchart and set of counters and combos for the no-gi submissions guy. I still think that a solid GJJ-stylist, who dedicates himself to learning the gi-less takedown game... is much better prepared than these guys, who load up their arsenal so fast. There's nothing better than perfect basics. I think that these guys have a lot to offer as a library of sorts.
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haha you call triangle chokes "making them my bitch" cuz you're an idiot. if you said that in any gym or training facility, everyone would all laugh at you, then rape your family with Gracies style submission. stop trying to be cool, and make it seem like you know what you're talking about, because you dont. everyone in MA. and MMA know, and respect the Gracies
there is a counter for every move so dont say well what if he does this what if he does that. Thats the point you have to know the counters and if you do thats great thats the point of getting good at jiu jitsu.
Wow...what if they guy...um...turns his head away from you?
lilsmartrat3: the arm triangle (as all triangles) are defined by circumferential restriction of the neck performed by the attackers 2 limbs and the submitters 1 limb in a triangular fashion. This is none of those.
this is not a triangle based choke, it looks like it but its not. you dont even haveto lock your arms, its just better defense to do so. You just have to have the blade of your shoulder in his neck and bridge so your upper body weight is focussed on your shoulderblade its more of a pressure choke.
You can do this if they pull guard as well, by looking towards their body to take the pressure off and standing upright but sprawled, with all of your weight on your choking-shoulder.
I may be wrong, but i think the difference is that with an arm triangle, you are using carotid control, cutting off the blood flow to the brain, whereas this choke is cutting off air. It's also a lot more painful than a carotid choke.
I think the key behind the guillotine is that when your hugging and taking your opponent to the ground your arm is already behind his neck and you're in side control, giving the opportune time for the von flue choke.
Great Video, I like the good verbal description. I am going to try to incorporate this technique into my arsenal of grappling techniques. I think this will be very useful to me because I am often forced to defend against a guillotine choke. Thanks for posting this video!!
sweet do you happen to remember which ufc it was or who won the fight? i have all the ufc's and would like to go back and find it to watch it in a mma situation thats all. thanks for any info!
You know your a Bad Ass when they name submissions after you. Joe Rogan was like "It's not gonna work. He needs to get the arm in". Then you see Jason signal to the ref that Alex was sleeping.
remember watching this choke for the first time and and thinking there is always one new trick around the corner. it's the "principal vs. technique " argument all over again. you break it down to the principal, in this case blood flow to the brain, and endless techniques can follow, only imagination limits the fighter. hell i remember watching keith hackney use a ranger/ tiger claw choke on joe son waaaay back in ufc history. great times in mma these days my friends, quantum leaps happening
MrByaeger 1 week ago
Von Flue has hit variations of this choke in 3 MMA wins! amazing creativity.
MindofaJedi 3 months ago
very nice,... I am planning to watch all your videos
HardCoreProgrammer1 3 months ago
You can just turn your neck into it and be able to avoid the choke I believe.
vinnys025 3 months ago
@vinnys025 nope bro.. me too tried it.. you can look infront of a mirror.. while you twist your head sideways.. your neck is more exposed.. you can only turn your head away from him.. its impossible to turn your head on his side since his shoulder is blocking your jaw
lordswit6666 1 month ago
I tried this yesterday and it really helped but it can take alot of effort to keep the right angle in order to maintain the pressure.
The problem was the lack of control over them shifting their legs towards you.
I'll get it next time.
samboen09 4 months ago
This is one used by Jeremy Horn in Bully Beatdown in season 3 # 2, never heard of it before, thanks for this video
detroitr 4 months ago
Very usefull technique!
megabikey 4 months ago
DUMMY CHOKE!!!!!!!
bevo565 5 months ago
For the love of God, just crush his testicles by squeezing with your hand, fuck the Von Fluey whatever, damn Matt Larsden and gay combatives level 1. Funny how virtually none even use it in the training simulations they have, let alone infantry or street fights against skilled opponents. Judo>Submission Grappling>BJJ.
wiggalama 5 months ago
@wiggalama judo better than bjj? loser
josh1212121 5 months ago
@josh1212121 Try making an arguement. I offered a realistic alternative to the Von Fluey. The techniques of Judo Newaza are meant to go with striking and striking+grappling(such as a throw often times) to weaken the opponent, then to lock in something such as the ude garami(kimura) or juji gatame(armbar) QUICKLY, not to lolly gag and relie on sport rules, superior conditioning(cause usually they take on shity strikers), or point victories. Damage and speed is what works.
wiggalama 5 months ago
@josh1212121 idd bjj is veel beter als judo
MrDutchboy14 5 months ago
@MrDutchboy14 speak english, cant understand you
josh1212121 5 months ago
@wiggalama that is a pretty gay strategy XD really '' crush his testicles '' , more like sm than fighting ;p
leendert0123 5 months ago
@leendert0123 Your not giving him pleasure guy, your attacking a weak point on his body by castrating him. BJJ and submission grappling are the ones that spend minutes on the ground cuddling each other and shit.
wiggalama 5 months ago
Everytime i've been in a situiatin like this they have removed there arm from around my neck, is there some way to execute this sub WITHOUT there arm around your neck?
tywainwright1 6 months ago
I appreciate the usefulness of this in grappling but in MMA if you pass guard (as you said in a previous comment) they should let go. If they let you get that gabble grip position you should easily be able to get to mount and continue the von flue or transition to a Ezekiel. Not trying to bash on the move it has its uses, but i think they're are better options. Position then Submission :). thanks for all the videos they are quiet useful.
rawrified101 6 months ago
so is this basically a variation on an arm triangle/head and arm type choke or is it kind of in a league of it's own?
faber8251 6 months ago
I just choked out some karate guy with this choke, he kept using the front kick, so i timed it, took him down, he went for a guillotine, i moved to side control..he still held on to it(face palm) and I used the Von Flu choke! :D
TylerTheCreator 6 months ago
Best guillotine defense IMO. Also great if you're a fan of arm triangles like I am.
1FedorEmelianenko 7 months ago
Best guillotine defense IMO. Also great if you're a fan of arm triangles like I am.
1FedorEmelianenko 7 months ago
were can i find mats like that
2DAREPUBLICAMEXICANA 8 months ago
Very good, seems hard to execute on mutliple factors though...
RestoSexual 8 months ago
also opens up [side control bottom] for an arm triangle,
most people wont tap, but they will let go, the moment they do, drive your head to the floor and the arm triangle is pretty much there for the taking
rabiduspugnus 9 months ago
I've had this happen to me, the von flue. It is no joke. It hurts, the only way u can defend it is if u let go of the gullitine.
DARQMX 9 months ago
How is that even hurting the other guy?
J90JAM 10 months ago
@J90JAM it blocks his breathing from the pressure coming from his shoulder
rutherd313 9 months ago
@rutherd313
Oh yeah!
J90JAM 9 months ago
Very easy to defend, unnefective ! The sparring is "glued" on the tatame !
polyjr 10 months ago
EVERYTIME i shoot for a takedown my opponent trie to apply a guillotine.. could i just shoot with my chine down and shoulders up to trick them into throwing it and then use this because i usually get in half guard or side control. usually half guard.. rarely full guard
DoomsdayKillz 10 months ago
do you need a large bicep to use this technique?
67Sman 11 months ago
@67Sman I doubt it. I`d say your body weight across a persons throat or face would be enough to make them tap. Because it looked like Mr. Ari was on his toes and leaning into the other guys throat.
Motownbrother 9 months ago
@Motownbrother cewl thanks
67Sman 9 months ago
Excellent Counter!
HomasterX 11 months ago
the real name for this is a dummy choke. Von Flue was just the first one to use it in the UFC. Just like the "mir lock" which is a kind of keylock
bevo565 1 year ago
Like everyone said this works mostly on beginners. But I usually just let them waste all their power on it and wait it out.
Zevvion 1 year ago
you should grab the right leg with ur left arm and pick him up and go to side control ..alot eisier to make sure u dont get stuch n half guard
jerodt9 1 year ago
Very effective choke and easy to learn. One of the more painful chokes I've been put in.
idonthinkso15 1 year ago
It doesn't look like it could be done often, but I've been put in this by both Jason Von Flue and Andrew Von Flue, and even from half gaurd on a couple occasions. If you have skinny enough shoulders, you can do it from full gaurd. I roll with these guys 3 days a week, and I still can't get it just right. but it does take some work to perfect it
SpinFrostE 1 year ago
To see a nice Von FLue in action ..my buddy does one it this fight
ww.youtube.com/watch?v=WskyRJPzZqk
bboyrughbrn 1 year ago
Consider placing your hand that's under his head, palm down in the Gable grip, not palm up.
Bartinho 1 year ago
This is a very good choke to use on beginners who wrap your head all the time
SuperEzekial19 1 year ago
wish id seen this lat week before training, was in some guys guillotine and had the side control, had to work an escape :/
karimbo92 1 year ago
can you do this if your in side control and he doesnt do the guillotine?
fatescruelhands 1 year ago
i find this a bit difficult to pull off
KYNCarena 1 year ago
i remember seein this in the ufc i was like what the hell did he do? haha
rockintheguitar 1 year ago
love the techniques, very well explained.. keep it up
Keris123 1 year ago
I nactually saw this once in a UFC fight, the bottom guy went to sleep :)
rille31 1 year ago
'im curious if there is there any way to do this if you are a smaller person or someone with less then average arm muscle
i have to teach this to a class and any extra info would be amazing
horizontal 1 year ago
@horizontal staying up on the toes+that gable grip helps me.
joshjuba 1 year ago
I saw this a few months ago, and decided to practice it. This is my absolute favorite choke so far. I've used it from side mount, half guard, full guard, and it has worked %95 of the time. I'm not a big guy either. I weigh 130 on a great day. Thanks for showing me this.
joshjuba 1 year ago
@joshjuba if you are in half or full guard, it helps to rotate your forearm so edge is on their cervical vertebrae, definitely the most painful neck crank i have ever felt, but it's really, really dangerous don't do that if you arent experienced
PardonMySanity 1 year ago
Is there any effective way to get the arm out if he has a arm in guillotine?
futurecagefighter 1 year ago
very legit and painful move, especially good move for a big guy to do, dont need to put as much pressure behind it
SpikyPeahorn 1 year ago
have you by chance rolled with Eddie Bravo or Joe Rogan?
ajackassa 1 year ago
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using the Arm drape you're allowing the opportunity for yourself to be set up for a Guillotine backstep
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shaneoctane 1 year ago
You can also get this choke from inside your opponents guard when he sits up to apply the choke. You just reach as far down his back as you can when he sits up, and make a fist(very uncomfortable for him) and then drive your shoulder into his throat. The only downside being if you're not deep enough he might still have the guillotine, and it could be a contest to see who taps first.
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Really helpful video. Twice I tried to take a guy down and he guillotined me both fucking times...
MarkGoodwin09 1 year ago
Really helpful video. Twice I tried to take a guy down and he guillotined both fucking times...
MarkGoodwin09 1 year ago
ur a true gangster ari. u rly are. thanks man i plan on using that later today to some stupid unsuspecting "uki" that has it comin. death and destruction baby can I get a hell yeah!?!? anyone!?!?
buttholeBANGER31flav 1 year ago
Im tired of scrubs always going for the guillotine,thanks for sharing
MrSugerNuts 1 year ago
If the guy on the bottmom would release the neck lock or guilllotine attempt and rap his arms underneath, he could drive his shoulder up into the top guy's throat to effectively counter. Notice how you have to post and drive your bicep or shoulder. As rapidly as it comes on from the top, it is even more surprising from the bottom.
Scourge2010 1 year ago
I call it a shoulder drive. It can be applied as a choke, or if they defend the choke, I call it "Jaw Breaker" or "Lock Jaw". My son owns with this move. He can apply it from the top and the bottom.
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Scourge2010 1 year ago
aw nice, never knew there was a choke like this lols
tyvm
f9hunter 1 year ago
you can also get an arm triangle in the position after the take down
The1JD 1 year ago
cool moves
28arkham 1 year ago
as in "Jason" Von Flue??
kinglober 1 year ago
The part where you sprawl put on your toes, doesn't that make you vulnerable for him to put you into his half or even full guard?
ajeckell 1 year ago
how well is this supposed to work? Should it still work if I'm 5'10" and 135 lb, and my opponent is 5'4" and 155lb (looks kinda like Sean Sherk)? Cuz I still get choked out by the heavier dudes even though I have side mount =[. Any tips?
incinerate4505 1 year ago
i tried this on training last night. it totally worked! thanks!
marcuss01 1 year ago
I remember when I first started grappling I would move into something very similar to the von flue from the clinch. It was very effective and consistent, maybe it was bad form, but unconventional chokes are the most fun.
easyenter23 1 year ago
Sub 101, these guys are great on submissions.
SuccessMMA 1 year ago
i love submissions 101
shawnkoolman1 1 year ago
heard joe rogan talk about this choke on ufc 114 so i had to check it out
chamillonaire32 1 year ago
Thankyou for your reply. just tried searching for the vid you recommended. I cant seem to find it for some reason. I hope you didnt take it as a criticism of the von flue itself. I'm sure that it would make a good addition to the arsenal that one accumulates through endless hours of practice. I just know that when i have been careless enough to find myself in the side mount/control guillotine, it is still very painful and dangerous even from there.
TheIjames 1 year ago
@TheIjames The rule of thumb is to let go of the guillotine when someone has cross side position on you. If you type in "Von Flue Choke" you find the video of Jason vs Alex in the UFC. Hope that helps!
Submissions101 1 year ago 3
@Submissions101 Ok.. I got round to having a look at the fight you directed me to. So i have since tried it several times with varied results. One of the guys i train with relies heavily on his strength when being out skilled. This is why i have such problems with this technique. sometimes he lets go before i need to use it and sometimes he doesn't. I have still needed to tap because of the pain he was causing before i could do anything. I keep getting into the guillotine just to practice it.
TheIjames 1 year ago
@TheIjames I to see what you are saying but if you can finish the guillotine when your partner or opponet(sp) is in the cross mount, then well and dandy but it is truly a submission use from mount or when they are in your guard or sometimes halfguard. But you should always release the guillotine when your opponet gets into side mount.
Sessyome3 1 year ago
@Sessyome3 yeah, i'm aware that you should not really hold the head once you have lost position. But against my training partners who still haven't grasped this simple rule 100%, it still isn't the most efficient technique, due to the fact that as you go for position you do for a second, give them space to reclaim a closed guard for their guillotine. Especially when their guillotine is very slick, or they are very powerful and just crank your neck regardless of your having side control/mount.
TheIjames 1 year ago
good in theory.. but i don't believe that it is a reliable counter/prevention or submission from that position. Particularly if your opponent is strong, not that he needs to be to hurt you from having you even like that.
TheIjames 1 year ago
@TheIjames Hey my friend. Please look up Von Flue vs Karolexsis (watch?v=aPQmH9mFSU0) to see this in action in a real mma fight. Please let me know your thoughts after watching that video ;-)
Submissions101 1 year ago 3
@TheIjames A female instructor accidentally put Ryan Hall to sleep demonstrating the movie. Do you know who Ryan Hall is? Need I say more?
legendof 8 months ago
@TheIjames Of course it's a good prevention because you'd seek to move your body to the opposite side of the head as a matter of course when caught in a guillotine, regardless of trying any submission. They'd be stupid to keep trying for the guillotine from that position as it's near impossible to finish.
aries6776 5 months ago
@TheIjames The only reason I'm watching this video is because I was choked unconscious by a von flue earlier this evening.
jessexloren 4 months ago
@jessexloren Yeah it works well really...
TheIjames 2 months ago
@TheIjames The only reason I'm watching this video is because I was choked unconscious by a von flue earlier this evening.
jessexloren 4 months ago 2
i definately could not use this against a stronger opponent. I believe it would be a better idea to break the hold on your neck by using the blade of your forearm against thier throat. not as a strike, just the pressure alone wouldbreak thier hold on you so you coul attempt the mount or perhaps a nth sth?
TheIjames 1 year ago
That move is amazing, coming from wrestling thats the biggest problem i've had with BJJ is being guillotined so thank you for that
ffxvillaswim 1 year ago
Awesome counter! I gotta remember this one
putanginanshit 1 year ago
no one ever suspects a mexican to be watching this regular jujitsu stuff. ^_^ im a brazilian jujitsu brown belt, but im impressed with the 10th planet submissions that are like almost supreme grapples. major props to this jujitsu artist!! i suppose he could submit gsp and bj penn from ufc if he lifted his finger! ^_^
pamphhh 1 year ago
haha I actually used to be Jason von flue 's student out here at FKA in clovis CA, his cousin uses this technique alot but the grappling game out here is very limited, after seeing it used once I realized its a very risky move to use, but then again who in the right mind would hang on to a guillotine when someone has you in the sidemount
genjibob 1 year ago
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bonsorno 1 year ago
mucho tiempo viendo bananero
paul0coronado0 1 year ago
Stupid question: can you do this from normal side control? Then it is at least quite nasty shoulder pressure..?
O90140 1 year ago
I won a pro mma fight with this choke on Sunday so it does work, sometimes when you shoot a double leg and the guy tries to guilotine you land him in side control and before he let's go of your neck you can trap the arm and start working the choke. It's a great sub and does work if you know how to do it properly. Keep up the good work Submissions 101.
liverpoolrft 1 year ago
video or it didn't happen
respeezy 1 year ago 2
Lots of people new to grappling tend to hang on to the head for no good reason. Otherwise I haven't seen it much.
shelbydeth 1 year ago 22
@shelbydeth I've found this a lot at my gym as well. This one was especially useful for some of the stronger new guys who try to muscle a guillotine in without any thought of technique or position.
AdamantLife 1 year ago
Apparently, you've never grappled with Judo people. They grab the head like this constantly. I usually just end me moutning them with my head still in their arms, but I will give this a go next time. Thanks for the video.
mbdulka 1 year ago
Awesome! This is a great escape to submission move. Thanks guys.
44rumblefish 1 year ago
I'd never hold a guillotine in side control...
AZrider47 1 year ago 6
Good! Smart move...some people do however and this is why you should not.
Submissions101 1 year ago 3
@Submissions101 Good in theory.. But i don't believe that it is a reliable counter/prevention or submission from that position. Particularly if your opponent is strong, not that he needs to be to hurt you from having you even like that. The take down you show is spot on, but i feel that it would be much more effective once on the floor, to just apply some pressure to their face or neck with the blade of your forearm to help break their grip then either go for a mount or maybe a nth sth attack.
TheIjames 1 year ago
@Submissions101 Holding onto a guiltine in any other postion than a half gaurd or a full gaurd is unacceptable too me if anyone does hug me and try to pull me down the first thing i do is try to pop a leg in for a gaurd or a half if that fails i let go if they do get side controll i go for and underhook with my left arm and use my right hand to grip the elbow and try for a half gaurd or i slide me left knee up to help prevent him from passing to mount are those good ideas?
kaliedoscopesharinga 1 year ago
@AZrider47 This isn't really intended for people starting out in side position. It's actually supposed to happen during a full on (no arms trapped) guillotine in full guard. There's a special way of posting up and shaking out While choking them. Then go to this part
sstrunks8000 7 months ago
lol a to defend against a gullitone from side control, sheesh not going to come across that very often!
DebitPlus 1 year ago
thats why they show you how to take them down from standing
supremeguru 1 year ago
no my point is. who the hell tries going for a gullitone choke when your on the bottom and have you've been side controlled? seems like a terrible idea to me. in an actual fight this wouldnt work you would just gas your arms.
DebitPlus 1 year ago
Because not everyone is knowledgeable about martial arts.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
its more likely they try for a guillotine and you pass their guard to side control to break the guillotine but they don't give it up instantly.
youtoobz1 1 year ago
people do that shit, guys who aren't very good at jui jitsu will do it almost certainly
joebeast15 1 year ago
nice!!
nhyde03 2 years ago
Yeah, this is why you always let go of the guillotine once you lose half guard.
DeeDubb1983 2 years ago 3
Subbed
domokunAA 2 years ago
Some of these comments make me laugh!! Another quality video keep them coming. Thanks
scotty742 2 years ago 3
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44CL 2 years ago
ooh get owned by subs 101 ohforphuqsake
ognimoddd 2 years ago
I only want to say is: If you have nothing good to say about something, just dont say anything. Live and learn, regarless. Is all good and bad coments doesnt help any body.
ottosalles 2 years ago 3
this is awesome. i will add this to my ground game for sure. Do you know how any videos on escaping it from the guard?
emaun423 2 years ago
if he starts guilotine on ground and is moving to guard, drive ur head down to his hip, bring your hips up as high as possible, and fall to his opposite side hip, controlling the legs with ur arms as u fall (otherwise u could wind up in guard and its over at that point). once u get side control von flue is a great option and he won't be able to finish guillotine.
ChoWZa 2 years ago
I have no video, and i dont think submissions 101 has one for this, but my personal favorite, is stack them so your like a V over top of them, and put your free fore-accross their throat and push and pull your head away. this works 95% of the time for me because it puts pressure on their neck so they immeiately panic and let go.
BrutalBranton1 2 years ago
oops, its a reply @ emaun
BrutalBranton1 2 years ago
ohforphuqsake : Are u a professional retard?...Do they pay u to be such a dick? hahaha burnt by subs 101, cool vid guys ;)
roblee138 2 years ago 3
I saw Von Flue do this choke in one of his fights, the guy didn't even know what hit em.
pyro458 2 years ago
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Retarded. This is why bjj will N-E-V-E-R be superior. You morons mispronounce every single stinking move. Not to mention your english alone sounds so horrendous when attempting to pronounce anything at all anyway. This move was been done for CENTURIES. Nothing new whatsoever. Why do you guys continue to dishonor yourselves by trying to give names to moves that have been around WAAAAAAY b4 anyone named gracie was even born?? You just sound ridiculous.
ohforphuqsake 2 years ago
Please let us know what name you know it by. There are many moves in MA that have different names but are the same technique. Its just a name. How does 'mispronouncing a name" related to how BJJ will never be superior. That logic simply does not follow. I realize your post is just a trolling attempt to get a rise out of people. Its cool. I see jokers like this all the time. There was never a claim in this video that BJJ was the best. Do what makes you happy...if you can indeed do that.
Submissions101 2 years ago 5
@Submissions101 burn! lol, you guys are awesome
pyro458 2 years ago 3
HAHAH DAMn, Submissios 101 for the win! That dude got fried!!
MurkedStat 2 years ago 2
@Submissions101 I love that the name caught on as the Von Flume choke. I loved the Alex Karalexis fight when out of nowhere Von Flume puts him to sleep.
JensPulverFan 1 year ago
@JensPulverFan lol sorry Von Flue*
JensPulverFan 1 year ago
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Fuck the gracies. Their jiu jitsu isn't superior to shit. Just like any other MA, you can't pit two of them against each other and see which one is better, because it's the way it's practiced by each user that can make it come out as a victorious. Oh, and modern day martial arts are better than they were 100s of years ago. It's called new people, new ideas, BETTER ideas. And nobody gives a fuck about a name, call it what you want. Hell, I call triangle chokes "Making Them My Bitch". Troll me.
prayforchaos 2 years ago
You say "fuck the Gracies" but what have YOU done for the martial arts world? Sweet fuck all, you non-contributing arrogant dick.
jedicelt 2 years ago 41
@jedicelt say it brother!
joebeast15 1 year ago
@jedicelt Lol. I used to train under Cesar Gracie... and I believe that these guys (submissions101) are adding a decent flowchart and set of counters and combos for the no-gi submissions guy. I still think that a solid GJJ-stylist, who dedicates himself to learning the gi-less takedown game... is much better prepared than these guys, who load up their arsenal so fast. There's nothing better than perfect basics. I think that these guys have a lot to offer as a library of sorts.
KeyboardPacifist 1 year ago
@jedicelt Whoever said "Fuck the Gracies" is a basement-dwelling fat-ass who thinks he's training for UFC by shadow-boxing in his mom's basement.
DevilTriggerSix08 1 year ago
say that infront of ricson gracie or one of them
BGmaRKO19 2 years ago
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haha you call triangle chokes "making them my bitch" cuz you're an idiot. if you said that in any gym or training facility, everyone would all laugh at you, then rape your family with Gracies style submission. stop trying to be cool, and make it seem like you know what you're talking about, because you dont. everyone in MA. and MMA know, and respect the Gracies
kiddhitta 2 years ago
@kiddhitta NIce, way to represent the Gracies I am sure they would be proud of you being disrespectful to anyone who has a different style.
imanatural1 1 year ago
how is that disrespectful
kiddhitta 1 year ago
@kiddhitta I apologize I believe I misread the statement.
imanatural1 1 year ago
thank you. i was complimenting the gracies.
kiddhitta 1 year ago
wow
elprimerhombreyo 2 years ago
man this channel rules..
ukuledoj 2 years ago
there is a counter for every move so dont say well what if he does this what if he does that. Thats the point you have to know the counters and if you do thats great thats the point of getting good at jiu jitsu.
adamvahle 2 years ago 2
what the hell
thats great
i havnt learned this yet
streetdreamz210 2 years ago
Wow...what if they guy...um...turns his head away from you?
lilsmartrat3: the arm triangle (as all triangles) are defined by circumferential restriction of the neck performed by the attackers 2 limbs and the submitters 1 limb in a triangular fashion. This is none of those.
jbgandhi2 2 years ago
this is not a triangle based choke, it looks like it but its not. you dont even haveto lock your arms, its just better defense to do so. You just have to have the blade of your shoulder in his neck and bridge so your upper body weight is focussed on your shoulderblade its more of a pressure choke.
raztis1 2 years ago
You can do this if they pull guard as well, by looking towards their body to take the pressure off and standing upright but sprawled, with all of your weight on your choking-shoulder.
TheHardout2005 2 years ago
Isn't this prety much just an inverted arm triangle???
Someone correct me if im wrong
lilsmartrat3 2 years ago
I may be wrong, but i think the difference is that with an arm triangle, you are using carotid control, cutting off the blood flow to the brain, whereas this choke is cutting off air. It's also a lot more painful than a carotid choke.
masterblastertkd 2 years ago
sweet move this choke great video guys
xmikeyzx 2 years ago
I remember that! It was a third round submission. Alex wanted to tap, but when he tried his arm went limp!
kirakira123were 2 years ago
Does the guy have to be trying a guillotine for this to work or can you use it in side control even though he's not going for the choke?
Rustiax999 2 years ago
I think the key behind the guillotine is that when your hugging and taking your opponent to the ground your arm is already behind his neck and you're in side control, giving the opportune time for the von flue choke.
ChoWZa 2 years ago
I learned this yesterday in class. Works very well.
JulioJustiniano 2 years ago
Is there a counter for the Von Flue Choke?
I like to use the guillotine choke alot when grabbling against my friends when training,
so i would like to know if there is a way to defend or get out of it.
assassinbasstard 2 years ago
yes...just let go of the guillotine and pull your hands in.
Submissions101 2 years ago
Could someone explain what body part is pressured or targeted; forcing the opponent to tap?
Ari lists pressing the chest, but I don't quite understand.
Efferts 2 years ago
the bicep gets off one of the arteries, while his shoulder pressed against the other artery, cutting off blood!
JPR1993 2 years ago
Was this named after Jason Von Flue?
thewatcher1997 2 years ago
yep
raiga1324 2 years ago
Yep, I think he choked out Alex Karolexis with it. I think that's where I saw it, first.
smitaay 2 years ago
correct.
spyr0o510 2 years ago
Great Video, I like the good verbal description. I am going to try to incorporate this technique into my arsenal of grappling techniques. I think this will be very useful to me because I am often forced to defend against a guillotine choke. Thanks for posting this video!!
RNLarkin 2 years ago
I tried this and could not get my shoulder under his neck :(
1selfmademan 2 years ago
I seen this two or three years ago in the UFC. He baited the opponent to get him in a guillotine.
1selfmademan 2 years ago
sweet do you happen to remember which ufc it was or who won the fight? i have all the ufc's and would like to go back and find it to watch it in a mma situation thats all. thanks for any info!
Wrath666Child 2 years ago
meisha tate did it from half guard
dantelohan 2 years ago
Got this to work last night rolling, thanks to you guys. Guy was new though so didn't see it comming.
This choke can still be applied even if they let go of there guillotine lock from side control right?
DauntlessThomas 2 years ago
This is gonna wreck days next time i spar thanks submissions 101
MrSaroni 2 years ago
You know your a Bad Ass when they name submissions after you. Joe Rogan was like "It's not gonna work. He needs to get the arm in". Then you see Jason signal to the ref that Alex was sleeping.
kirokyukan 2 years ago
go! von flue!
neilstephenalun 2 years ago
Wait, is it "rapid" or "not very quick"?
ultimatehammer 2 years ago
he said gradually not rapid
teamquestfan 2 years ago
hah this is great a guy i spar with loves to go for the guillotine
corbin306 2 years ago