What a load of nonsense! No one is attacking your Sabbath! Keep your damn Sabbath and we will keep our Sunday. This is nothing but Fear-mongering -- the use of Fear to influence the opinions and actions of others towards some specific end.
Today is January 09 / 2012 accoding to man’s calendar YHWH’s calendar it is 10th lunation 22nd day, current depending where you are it is today monday next month it should be wednesday according to when new moon is of course...and so forth we also should worship on new moon days!! blessings
You are teaching a Gospel of WORKS! The Old Testament Laws are all based on WORKS. Jesus said: "Come to Me, all you who are weary and heavy burdened, and I will give you rest." Matthew 11:28. Note Jesus does NOT say if you are weary and heavy burdened then go and rest on the Sabbath! Why is that? Because is Jesus is our REST now. The Old Testament Laws were a SHADOW of the things to come, the REALITY however is found in CHRIST.
I found the book written by A. Jan Marcussen, fifteenth printing in 1993 Titled "National Sunday Law".
This was a thought I had myself in the 70s over why most christians use the first day of the week instead of the last. Were they willingly disobeying or dumb to it? Either way it was not what their book tells them.
When the bad trees' fruit thinks it is good, imagine how much better the world will be with just good fruits around.
...If God said to stop working and take a break on the 7th Day....then so be it.
...If they say you must work on the Sabbath to keep your job...Say....Nope, I'll live in a tent first, thank you very much....and you can keep your NWO job.
Worship is the key that unlocks Revelation, and worship is the central theme of Revelation and Mark of the Beast. The word Grace, Jesus and Amen are found regularly in settings of worship, and ALL Christians use those words, even Sunday keeping Christians, so they WILL NOT get the Mark of the Beast. Only those who do NOT accept grace and worship Jesus will get the Mark of the Beast.
Any Christian who 100% trust Jesus alone and not works are saved by grace and cannot get the Mark of the Beast!
Actually Revelation is all about TRUE worship of the Lamb vs. FALSE worship of Him, which in reality worships the beast and the person behind the beast, Satan.
True worship:
"Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters." Rev 14:7
So just how does the Bible define the way to worship Him who made heaven and earth and the fountains of waters?
@Nirky You have been deceived by a FALSE teacher and FALSE prophet and by a CULT that in end times you must trust in your 10 Commandment keeping and Sabbath WORKS to avoid getting the Mark of the Beast, to inherit eternal life, to be accepted by God and to be saved! Satan, Ellen G White and the SDA Cult have mislead you and deceived you with an END TIME DELUSION that has led you away from complete trust in Jesus to save you and led you away from grace alone to save! You have been TRICKED!
I'm not trusting my works to save me, rather I know I am saved ONLY by grace (Eph 2:8, 2 Tim 1:9) and judged and rewarded ONLY by my works (Ecc 3:17, Matt 16:27, 1 Pet 1:17). Works cannot save but rather are EVIDENCE that our conversion, our response to His free grace, is GENUINE.
I'll ask again, how does the Bible define the way to worship Him who made heaven and earth and the fountains of waters?
@Nirky I can prove that you indeed do TRUST IN YOUR SABBATH WORKS to avoid the coming Mark of the Beast and to inherit eternal life and to be accepted by God and saved by asking you 2 questions:
1. According to Ellen G White, what must a person, who has faith in Jesus to be their Lord and Saviour, DO to inherit eternal life, be accepted by God and to be saved, and to avoid receiving the coming Mark of the Beast?
See how you have ignored my question twice now. Here it is again, for the third time: How does the Bible define the way to worship Him who made heaven and earth and the fountains of waters (Rev 14:7)? Book & verse pls.
Feel free to quote Ellen if you wish, and we can discuss what she said, after you have given the answer to my question. Present what quote you have in mind and let's see if it is in accordance with Holy Scripture.
@Nirky You very very often try the same old trick to sidestep my questions by trying to ask me questions instead. It's obvious you are too frightened to answer these questions..so that's why you sidestep and hide from my questions:
1. According to Ellen G White, what must a person, who has faith in Jesus to be their Lord and Saviour, DO to inherit eternal life, be accepted by God and to be saved, and to avoid receiving the coming Mark of the Beast?
Again, please give your Ellen White quote and then let's compare it to what Holy Scripture says. I do not know what quote you are referring to. Please therefore give it and let's compare it to Scripture.
I've asked you the same question 3 times now, without getting a response. So, for the 4th time:
How does the Bible define the way to worship Him who made heaven and earth and the fountains of waters (Rev 14:7)? Book & verse pls. Or do you choose not to answer?
@Nirky It seems you are still too frightened to answer my questions, so I will try to get answers out of you again, but this must be about the 4th time I am asking you these questions:
1. According to Ellen G White, what must a person, who has faith in Jesus to be their Lord and Saviour, DO to inherit eternal life, be accepted by God and to be saved, and to avoid receiving the coming Mark of the Beast?
2. What must they DO exactly?
Don't run and hide, don't sidestep, just answer them please!
As I do not know which quote you are referring to, please give it, so that we may look at it and compare it to Holy Scripture. Do you have a quote in mind or are you simply wasting time, mine and our readers'? If you have a quote in mind of hers, feel free to post it.
@Nirky You keep sidestepping, and running and hiding from my questions. So here goes again...I wonder if you will continue to be too frightened to answer me.
1. According to Ellen G White, what must a person, who has faith in Jesus to be their Lord and Saviour, DO to inherit eternal life, be accepted by God and to be saved, and to avoid receiving the coming Mark of the Beast?
Q: How does the Bible define the way to worship Him who made heaven and earth and the fountains of waters (Rev 14:7)?
A: Exodus 20:8-11. "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it." v11
That is how the Bible defines worshiping Him who made heaven and earth and the fountains of waters. The Lord's Day.
"And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ." Acts 5:42. See also Acts 20:7-12.
Sin is transgressing God's law, the Ten Commandments. 1 Jn 3:4, Rom 7:7, Jas 2:11. It is not sin to worship Him on Tuesday, but it's sin when we break the Commandment or foist sanctity on a day the Jesus did not command.
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understand too that this is why immigrants are being flooded into every country. Democracy is 3 wolves and 1 sheep deciding what is for dinner. They will have people in each country vote on a sunday law but they are purposely creating a tipping point.
Satan duplicates everything the Lord has done. Satan knows scripture more than most men. If there was not a true sabbath day wherein all would worship together the Lord Jesus than why would satan determine to have his own day. He intends to contend with the saints and route them out as in times past. With ephesians 2 we have christian and jew worshipping together. Breaking down the partition of the law but mostly laws made by sadducees and pastors. Saturday would be the only day possible.
"He that saith, I KNOW him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a LIAR, and the truth is not in him" 1Jn 2:4.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never KNEW you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Mat 7:22-23.
If you knew Jesus you would understand Matt 5:17 and Jesus's character and why He would not destroy the law.
The fact is that, ever since EG White made the false fabricated prediction, THE EXACT OPPOSITE has happened. The blue laws are complete gone are none existent. There is plenty on the internet to show she was a fake! The truth and fables website along with many other shows her errors. These cult members try to quell their conscience that shouts "you are in a cult" by going out and destroying other Christians and their families over claiming you have to become Jewish to be Christian.
Ellen fabricated a bunch of false lies and false dreams so she could persecute Christians. There is no other false religion other than the Muslims that persecute Christians the way Elllen G White taught them to do. The SDA can't stand it that Gentiles don't have to become Jewish to be Christians. Their religion is so wacked, they think and teach ARABS are supposed to be Jewish. And all Christians have to become Jewish too.
@douglasdolly Yes Ellen White was tested to be given the title of prophet and yes there were female prophets (a prophetess) in the bible? , Miriam (Ex 15:20), Deborah (Judges 4:4) Isaiah's wife (Is 8:3), Anna (Luke 2:36) and the four daughters of Philip(Acts 21:9) to name a few, but also the bible says that men and women will prophesy (Joel 2:28). Clearly the Bible teaches that women can prophesy too, however gender is by no means a test of a prophet. There are no female priests in the Bible.
The test of prophet was one of accuracy. If they prophecy something in the name of the Lord and it does not come to pass then that is what the Lord has not spoken and the prophet has spoken presumptuously and of them you should not be afraid.
Not only has Ellen spoke presumptuously, she has also spoken inaccurately of the scriptures. These two things show her only to be a man-made prophet, not God-ordained.
John 9:16 Therefore said some of the Pharisees, This man is not of God, because he keepeth not the sabbath day. Others said, How can a man that is a sinner do such miracles? And there was a division among them.
THIS IS AWESOME!!! it is so important that we know the CORRECT DAY OF WORSHIP!!! so many people want to do what They want to do on the Sabbath Day and Not what GOD asks of them, or tells them in his law. Thank you for this :))
In whom are you trusting for your salvation? yourself or the Lord of all creation who died on the cross and shed his blood for your sins, and rose again the third day?
Welcome back, Zacmarvalmak;) That's right you come through the Son to reach the Father:) Problem is, if you trust in the wrong Son, you won't make it to the Father. Jesus said, Unless you believe that, I am, you will die in your sins. Before Abraham was I AM!
What people are doing is taking Christ out of salvation, and putting the focus back on themselves. On their actions to save them. They are moving away from the blood, rather than moving to the blood. They are moving away from grace and back to the law as the means of salvation.
Paul calls that a perverted gospel, one that really isn't a gospel at all.
Sabbatarians started it all. EG White couldn't figure out that God created the 1st day of the week in Genesis1 and Col.1:16 says it was created "FOR HIM (CHRIST). Instead, you SDA hypocrites, brag about keeping the 4th commandment, while you CONSTANTLY break the 9th commandment by FABRICATING LIES against your neighbor! SDA claims to worship the Trinity, but then they call Christians, "SATAN WORSHIPERS" who worship the Trinity. HYPOCRITES! Read Isa. 1:13-16 God hates your Sabbaths!
You are correct, for those that speak against the word and teach people falsely will have a greater judgment than others. This is why the leaders of the churches, and even the world, must be careful in what they teach and the roads they take.
I personally believe in sticking solely with the word of God. If I don't see it in the word, I don't believe it. When I see people change the scriptures to fit their churches, I speak out against it. You are more than welcome to share...
I fully agree in walking in love as Jesus walked, and loving others as he loved us. Do I believe I'm under the law of Moses? No I don't. Do I feel I have to keep feast days and be circumcised, no I don't. Jesus did all those things, yes, he was under the old covenant; but they are not a requirement in the new covenant.
Do we have to love? Oh yes, 100% completely. Should we bear the fruits of the Spirit, by all means YES:)
I should live a life that bears fruit of the love of God. Let others see his love in us so that they might come to know him. The ultimate show of love was on the cross. If we can remember that, and remember all that Christ did for us, it helps us in dealing with those around us.
His love and his Spirit keeps us from wandering and if we do, he brings us back.
There are many false teachers out there, false doctrines, doctrines of demons as they are called in the scriptures. The bible even says that there will be ones that even teach to abstain from meat. Ones who listen to demons who can transform themselves into an angel of light.
Ones who try and take away the gospel of Christ by turning it into a lie and claiming that the law of Moses must be kept to be saved, whether they want to say one law, ten, or all 613, it's the same.
there will be those who take away the atonement and say its not complete yet, and that his blood isn't sufficient, that you have to also be made perfect by your actions in the flesh according to the law.
These teachers teach opposite the bible. They change the bible to suit their whims, rather than using the bible to change their teachings according to what the bible says.
how much is enough to be worthy to attain salvation, to prove your faith?
Do you not know that we are all alike under the law? Guilty. That law has already judged you and found you wanting.
The very law you are trying to use to prove your faith has declared you already guilty.
The only difference between the saved and unsaved is faith in Christ and his finished work. That is what separates life from certain eath....not the flesh.
No one is talking about not bearing fruit. If one truly believes and have received the Spirit of God, will bear fruits. Question is, what fruits? fruits of the Spirit,or the works of the law?
Doesn't matter on any day you pray, as long as you think of God in your heart is accepted. Are we still in a medieval age to still think that what day belongs to god or the beast.. come on, GAFL.
May the Lord God bless you, zac:) You are in my thoughts and prayers. Jesus is waiting for you with open arms, just as the father was of the prodical son. He has not turned from you, I pray that you will accept his sacrifice on your behalf and turn back to him.
I don't know exactly where you stand, but God does, so I'm leaving you in his hands. He loves you so much and died on the cross for your sins. Please don't turn away from this free gift, nothing else can compare to it.
Dear children, let's not merely say that we love each other; let us show the truth by our actions. Our actions will show that we belong to the truth, so we will be confident when we stand before God. Even if we feel guilty, God is greater than our feelings, and he knows everything.
Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God. And we will receive from him whatever we ask because we obey him and do the things that please him.
And this is his commandment: We must BELIEVE in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and LOVE one another, just as he commanded us. Those who obey God's commandments remain in fellowship with him, and he with them. And we know he lives in us because the Spirit he gave us lives in us
Do you believe? If you don't believe then you are disobeying God's commandment and are not in fellowship with him, or he with you. I pray that you have made the choice to follow him, if so, love in both word and deed
@joheak if you focus on the number one commandment (which Jesus told us to do) you will fulfill the law by doing the will of the Father. Focusing on one commandmeb
@harvestsoulfly whats the number one command? To love God with all your heart, mind and soul? do you mean that command? Well HOW do I love Him? By doing what? How do I show this type of love? by doing what He ask or commands? we what does He ask me to do? We are told by God Himself in Exodus 20: HOW to love Him. If Jesus came to do not his will but the Fathers will, why would he change what the Father said? God's law that He spoke and wrote (not Moses) are just and true. by Grace I am saved!
@Myhopeisinhim They were not strict keepers of God's Law but the rules and regulations they created. That's why Jesus came to magnify the law and clear up the confusion. He gave them examples of how they were being hypocritical of the law example, healing on the Sabbath which they condemned compared to assisting their oxen when in a ditch. Another example washing of hands and many others. They were hypocrites and they were teaching the people to be the same way.
Wrong, the teachers THOUGHT they were keeping God's law, and keeping it well, but what does Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, say about their law keeping?
"Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it." Acts 7:52-53
UNLESS people are convicted by the Holy Spirit, man will stay a sleep in their ignorance. People would first pray and ask for discernment THEN do a LITTLE, not alot but a LITTLE research of the sabbath and Sunday change and what the Catholic CHURCH says and continues to say in PRINT about their infalliable right to change the day, this would so much clear. FORGET the SDA and just be a sabbath keeper if you have a fear of EW being a false prophet! It's not about her it's about God's Law
The bible does not say anywhere that God commanded the Prophets to keep the Sabbath prior to Moses. The 10 commandments weren't even written yet, the books of the law were given Throu Moses. Paul said: Abraham was made righteous by believing in God, as Noah. So yr making an assumption to justify the Sabbath. Regardless of Gen 2, they couldn't have known yet.
@harvestsoulfly Why were the 10 Commands wriiten? Where not the Israelist in bondage for over 430 years and had not a clue of the living God according to their fathers (meaning Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob) as a whole. Out of sin God had to teach them how to worship and have reverends for Him. In Gen 6 1:8 why was God say he would destroy man because of their wickeness? It doesnt say prior He gave them some rules does it? But are we to believe God told them HOW to treat Him and his fellow man????
If you focus on keeping Jesus number one commandment you will fullfil the law of the prophets as He said. Focusing on the Sabbath will not save you nor please God. you need to keep all the levitical rules in order to completely keep it Holy.
@harvestsoulfly I following and/or focusing on Christ means obedience. What am I to obey? Laws of health and living AMONGST other things. He is always number one and I obey becuse he IS number one. But we must know what to obey. Many churches SAY the follow Christ but they do not. Jesus is not just about love, and happiness Follow my point). He said,he came to cause division between father and son etc. Well thats the division?? Some things people say are godly or Jesus way is not.
How do you believe you will be cleansed of your sins? Did Jesus death on the cross cleanse you of your sin. Wash your sin away? or is it still there waiting to see how well you do according to the law as to whether or not you will come into condemnation?
I don't understand why there is so much argument over the sabbath day keeping. Jesus discusses how hard it will be to keep sabbath in the last days. Look in revelations. If he mentions keeping the sabbath thru the tribulation how can any one argue it has been removed/replaced?
@newave123456 Also every one keeps hollering about only thru faith and grace are we saved. "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also: and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father" (John 14:12). Clearly he is stating that IF you truly believe in him and have true faith you shall do his works! You must have the one first THEN you will be enlightened enough to understand that you must also follow his way (God's way).
Respond to this video... Also who is this woman every one keeps sighting? I don't know about the rest of you but I read the BIBLE. NOT someone who interprets the bible. I believe this is the first problem we have. Everyone should just read the bible and not focus on what others write about the bible. I try hard to follow all ten commandments. That does not make you perfect or holy-er than thou... It just means that because of faith, you are trying to obey Gods law.
the sevent day means the complition a holy day when God revel to you all his creation and whow he did so you are to relax and be still and know that he is and when someone said to you that is sofering from something and you know that person know what you know you are to help them
if u know the ten commandments of God then we must to strive to follow Him.remember our salvation is individual...understand what's in the Bible says...
Romans 14:5 One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.
The Bible doesn't teach anything about a National Sunday Law in America or an International Sunday Law around the world. Adventists have come up with it as a scare tactic to get people to join their denomination and worship on Saturday.
Such fuss. This law isn't coming to the US because its too religious in nature. You can choose to worship on Saturday if you like. Most people have a two day weekend. If they don't, they have rotating schedule and would have to ask for their day of worship off anyway. I only see this as a problem for bartenders. Some states still have blue laws, but a bar is not a very Christian establishment to be working in my opinion.
Not only does the Bible prophesy Sunday laws to be enforced in the US, but the US will be the WORLDWIDE enforcer for the first beast, the Roman church state, making an image to the first beast by forcing the world to keep the laws of the first beast. Rev 13:16.
Chief of these laws will be Sunday sanctity--the mark of their ecclesiastical authority--promotion of the first day of the week as sacred, making all other days, including the 4th Commandment Lord's Day, work days.
"And he said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath:
Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath." Mark 2:27-28, also Matt 12:8, Luke 6:5
The only Day Jesus claims Lordship of is the seventh day. This is because the seventh day guides us to remember that He is Creator & sustainer of us all, and for those who believe and obey Him, it is also a memorial of their salvation in Christ. Heb 4:1-11.
again if you break one commandment you are guilty of them all you cannot pick n choose so if you think you will be justified by the works of the law you got something else comming your way
"And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.” Mark 2:27-28
The only Day Jesus claims Lordship of is His Day, the Sabbath, the Day He made by resting on after 6 days of creation, the seventh Day, God's 4th Commandment. Gen 2:2-3, Ex 20:8-11.
@WeCanKnowDottCom You're the one who didn't read the whole bible. The bible says that Christ came to fulfill the law, not to break it. Exodus chapter 20 lists the Ten Commandments, the law. Also, it was the pope who changed the true sabbath, the seventh day, to the first day. And how do you know that judgement day begins on May 21, 2011 when Christ Himself said that only the Father knows when it will happen? Are you the Father?
@WeCanKnowDottCom You are mistaken. While I know nothing of Ellen G White, I can tell you that changing the Sabbath from Sat to Sun is ADDING to scripture
Jesus didn't RISE on Sun. His tomb was found EMPTY on Sun. If you examine the gospel accounts for the crucifixion, you will notice 2 SABBATH's are mentioned. The first was the annual HIGH DAY, or First day of Unleavened Bread, which was Thurs. The 2nd was the weekly Sabbath. Christ died on Wed, rose Sat evening. 3 DAYS and 3 NIGHTS later
@jumper86 Was Jesus really resurrected on Easter, born on Dec 25th?
Prior to Moses & the Levetical law there isn't one scripture that says rest on the sabbath. Gen 2:2 says God rested on the 7th day, so is Abraham & all the Patriarchs subject to condemnation?
Show me one verse that is clear & says one will receive the mark because they didn't worship on Sat? If you can't & only can quote from EGW visions & believe them, then you are putting her visions above the Holy Bible.
@harvestsoulfly Just sad...Missing the point. Regardless of the EW the Bible speaks for itself. Why are we told to search the scripture. If God is resting on Saturday, the day he sanctified and set aside why would it not be for his creation??? Israelist in bondage 430 years and the first law given BEFORE Mt. SInai big 10 (Exodus 16) God tells them, his people, to respect his Holy Day... I don't need EW to tell me that, the Bible the Bible ALONE says that.
Luke 6:5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man ( IS) Lord also of the sabbath.
God cannot say it plainer.Sadly SDA are good at not sticking to the scripture, They will say no it mean some compleatly different. The Puritan knew the scriptures you should learn from them. not e white. Its the same on the vegetarian issue the bible say ..1 Timothy 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: the sda says it doest sat for food??What
That is why HE IS LORD of the Sabbath. HE KEPT the LAW perfectly that is why John in revelation sobbed when there was NO MAN who could open the seals NO MAN just the God Man Jesus Christ. If you cannot keep love your brother what is all the rest worth. The Sabbath is NOT the mark of the Beast. Math 28:1 proves that as well as hebrews Colos, we establish the Law through Christ that is every day serving HIM, sabbath was not a day of worship but rest (PICTURE) heavan. get it move on. leave E White
Not so, Jesus nowhere teaches He BECAME Lord of the Sabbath because He did not sin, rather we see He has ALWAYS BEEN Lord His Sabbath because HE CREATED IT! Gen 2:2-3
Therefore He knew what was breaking His Day, the Lord's Day (Rev 1:10), and what wasn't. That was His clear message to the religious leaders who mistakingly thought He was breaking God's 4th Commandment by healing and doing good on the 7th Day. Mark 2:27-28. Their ideas about His law of LOVE were faulty.
Do you really know what Christ is its not Saturday (Saturn Day) Its not just one verse which you deny. The WHOLE book of Hebrews teaches Christ is better. Christ is the substance of REAL rest. He is Lord of the Sabetth..Colossians 2:16 ¶Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: How many verses do you want to deny and give to Jesus Christ. Just remember Abraham had righteousness and had no sabetth!! get it!
@1australianbeacon My brother let me correct you there.. Colossians 2:16 is talking about the meat offering and the drink offerings the Jews had to offer in sign of respect... and of the new moon also the sabbath days is plural it is not talking of 1 sabbath. Moses wrote down his own ordinances and one of these ordinances were every 7 years they had to do a festival ( Exodus 24:4) this did not come from God's hand therefore it can be changed
@MrMUNASHE01 colossians is also talking about all sabbaths it doesnt say all but one judaiser who wanted the keep the hand writting or ordances where enslaving the liberty we have in christ no different today. The WHOLE LAW is summed up in this Love thy brother as thyself. Christ is our rest! No shadows the substance. Not creation rest nor cannan rest but Christ Lord of the Sabbeth the other day in Hebrews my friend seek that rest which is found in Jesus Christ. Abraham theif on the cross. Gt it
Colossians 2:16 clearly speaks of the ceremonial sacrificial book of the law annual new moon meat & drink offering shadow sabbath ORDINANCES of Lev chapter 23.
God's 4th Commandment is never called a "shadow" in scripture, neither is it determined by new moon, nor does the Lord's Day have included in it any meat nor drink nor grain offerings. Those were all shadows, laws picturing deliverance from sin, of good things to come-Christ!
@1australianbeacon Well explained brother but here is the issue If you know the difference between Law and ordinance then you would understand this verse. Also i advise you read Colossians 2:14-16 this is the only way you would understand. If you think Jesus came to abolish THE LAW OF SABBATH then you are blind folded hence Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Jesus himself kept the sabbath NOT of Moses But of the 10 commandment
The sabetth is not the mark of the best it was hatched by Rome . Stop say it its you look dumb in saying it!! Read Math 28:1 for yourselves read it in the greek strongs or greek lexicon. The old sabetth ended as it began to dawn of the protos first in sucession sabetth. Christ OUr rest. Man was made late on day 6 mans first day which was the his first day rested with Jesus isn,t that beutifull.. Let no man judge you in a "sabetths" plural get that one living in you.
@1australianbeacon Dude, really? Did you even watch the video or were you just reacting? Read the ENTIRE BIBLE! Don't just pick one verse here or there and base your entire belief system on that and what other people say. Man! The Sabbath issue is more that just 'what day to go to church on'. It's about who you own your loyalty to. Christ or Satan? Which is it? God has standards and you have the choice on whether you want to follow them or not.
Man was MADE 6th day THEN God MADE the Sabbath for man on the 7th Day of Creation. It was MADE so MAN could MEET his MAKER JESUS. No Jews @creation
Acts 18:4 And he reasoned n synagogue every Sabbath & persuaded Jews & GREEKS
Acts 13:42,44 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue the GENTILES besought these words might be preached to them the NEXT SABBATH And the NEXT SABBATH day came almost the WHOLE city together to hear the WORD OF GOD.
The mark of the beast is strictly associated with the second end time world kingdom of Satan in the flesh, it is a worldwide identification system: using the fingerprint as in the right hand and the eye as in the forehead to scan and identify all that accept citizenship into the world system. The Sabbath is strictly associated with the Mosaic law given only to lit. Israel. There is absolutely no requirement upon the sons of God to keep the sabbath before the Mosaic law, nor imposed on the church
@JoBernard12oxen Really? Do you actually think God is concern with what's on your can of beans, then rather what is in your heart and soul? Do you really believe that God's standard is based on subjective human creations? This is a soul issue. BOTH sides have a MARK! If you read the Bible, particular the entire book of Revelation, you would see that God himself marks his people, to protect them for the coming chaos. And what is this Sabbath is only Israel thing? Did not God keep it? Reflect.
@queenrage1 I've never denied that the mark can be figurative, in fact in my series "Revelation In Plain Language and Daniel in Plain Language I've suggested that citizenship to the first end time world kingdom opposed to Christ is as figuratively accepting the mark. however; you should read Revelation too; the mark in referenced to an identification system use quite literally in chapter 13;16-17. Also Jesus said if your eye/hand offend you cast them away signifying eye/hand scans to come.
@queenrage1 regardless of you reflection no one can prove that God required the Gentiles to keep the sabbath either before or after the Tora. No one can prove NT Gentiles were required to keep the sabbath, no one, no one. So you stand in judgment for what you believe and I'll stand in judgment for what I know.
Do you know anything about Christian history? The founding fathers of Protestantism? Christianity in generally? Because if not, then its no wonder that you can say that and expect me to take it seriously. We will BOTH stand in judgment on what GOD has declared. None of this 'you believe and I believe what we want to believe' nonsense. I seriously implore you to really study, think, and reflect about this. This is your soul, man.
@queenrage1 Oh I hear you talk, talk talkin but you ain't proven nothing. Challenging my knowledge of the scripture does not prove the Torah was required upon Gentiles either before or after the old testament. So you think by slinging mud or making yourself sound so high and mighty makes your position? No wonder you teach things that Paul said make one accursed. Gal.1:8 At least you're consistent.
Well, at the end of everything, its your soul, man.
"Sunday is a Catholic institution and its claim to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles .... From beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first." (Catholic Press,1990.)
EVERY major denominational and historical scholar acknowledges this core fact. You feelings and traditions will hurt you.
@queenrage1 You said "there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first."-- That's not rightly dividing the word of truth nor does it prove what I've been trying to get out of you this entire conversation "prove the Gentiles Christians were required to keep the laws of the Torah FYI In Acts 20:7 the disciples came together to break bread while Paul preached and I Cor.16:2 they laid aside the offering til the first day/wk
@queenrage1 The reason I say its not rightly dividing the word of truth is simple. you can not expect the things require in the Torah to have been required on any of the generations of the sons of God before Moses, which means you have to divide that time period from the time God dealt specifically with Israel, likewise you must divide the time and testaments of Christ to the church from the time God dealt with national Israel. That's what it means to rightly divide the word of truth.
@queenrage1 Why divide the law of liberty from the law of Moses? Paul declared those that are requiring you Galatians to keep the law are worthy to be accursed of God. He confirmed with them, "AND" the saints at Antioch was commissioned of the Apostolic council that none of the ceremonial requirements of the law were required on the Gentile saints. Also these two laws constitute two separate dispensations of biblical time one to national Israel the other to spiritual Israel the church Gal.6:16
@queenrage1 I understand your frustration in trying to prove something that simply isn't there in scripture, so I would simply ask you another completely fair question..."the sabbath required of Israel under the law, what is its purpose"?
However, I'm somewhat suspicious of your intentions because too many times have someone ask that same question, while not really wanting the answer in the first place. Digging up my files and writing my response, will takes a lot of weekend time. So, I don't want to do it, if you are just one of those people who want to argue with me using soundbites. Youtube's comment section isn't the place for this. PM me seriously, and I'll answer by Sun/Mon.
@queenrage1 Sorry I just don't PM anymore, people want to write you a book, and go all around the world and back again.... no, no, I just don't PM, I would be much obliged to keep it short, sweet and to the point. The answer can not be that long or difficult unless you are trying to support a lie, in which case PM would not be enough. Besides why not let the world know you haven't answered neither of my question 1. prove Gentile Christians keep the law, and 2. what is the purpose of the sabbath?
Sigh. I can see, that you are the type. Well, then - I'm done with this then! I won't response to you after this.
1) Jesus (who true Christians follow in everything) kept the Saturday Sabbath. The early (pure) Christian Church kept the sabbath, etc.
2) It's God's sign and establishes his rightful authority.
To anyone who comes across this message in the future and is curious - PM me! I want you to get the full reasoning, history, and biblical importance of the manner!
@queenrage1 God never intended the sabbath to be a perpetual ceremony, from Adam to Moses the sabbath was not required of the sons of God. To say Christians should keep it because Jesus kept it is misapplying the word of God; If you want be like Jesus wear sandals and a robe, don't cut off all your hair, get circumcised and while you're at it move to Israel and keep the Passover and all the law. The sabbath was a shadow signifying Christ finish work on the cross, in Christ we have eternal rest.
@queenrage1 The same people that are telling Christians they should keep the law are the same people that don't realize that Christ kingdom is a spiritual kingdom. That is, the church is the spiritual nation of Israel, and in fact Paul said in Gal.4:22-31 the church is the child of promise and national Israel the slave child which is cast out because they are not heirs with the child of promise the church.
See the video "Israel is rejected of God in Scripture"
@queenrage1 You should be more specific about "the type".
Also there is no proof of the early church keeping the sabbath, Israelite's which became Christians may have continued to keep these ceremonies by virtue of national protocol, but the Gentile churches was never required to keep them.
God established his rightful authority in the beginning and on Mt. Sinai not by the sabbath. The sabbath is symbolic: man has rest in Christ from sin and eternal condemnation.
In order to have a proper talk both parties must be willing to listen to the other in a respectful and equal manner and footing. The Youtube comment section is not at all the correct place. You didn't want to PM me, therefore, there is nothing to talk about further.
Furthermore, you have brought no evidence in supporting of your position. Not a single bible verse (in context) or evidence from history. So, this was a waste of time on both parts.
@queenrage1 I listened, at the end of the day I love you. The need for PM is a perception of your own. Heb.4:9 says there is "still" a sabbath: then it explains the nature of this sabbath which was spoken of by David, in daily (today) obedience we enter into his rest (spiritual rest) and cease from the works of our flesh. As Christ (God) has cease (finished) the work of salvation by dying so also we die to ourselves daily ceasing from our work (a perpetual sabbath day) much greater than one day.
@queenrage1 please look at my previous post using scripture to explain my position; all I want to know from you is: is it rightly divided or not? read Heb.4 for the full context, notice a single sabbath day rest is not required but daily obedience to enter into a perpetual rest is. so tell me did I rightly divide (interpret) the scripture? that's all I want to know? because if I did this conversation is over, and if you say I did not this conversation is over.
No. It is not rightly divided. Remember, in order to understand 4, you need to go back to 3 because both hold to the same theme. Look, this is getting frustrating. I feel like I'm talking to a wall.
If you really want to understand the Bible's position on this matter, this is the best link as to WHY your understanding of this texts (and others like it) is WRONG. Here's the link :adventist-defense-league.blogspot.com/2008/01/hebrew-3-and-4-does-today-replace.html.
@queenrage1 [page not found] You ask for my scriptural position; chap 3 doesn't take away from my explanation, Quite simply 4:9 says a sabbath remains, as if to remind us that even though the church is not bound by the Mosaic law-never given to the church (but only to national Israel) 9 there still remains a "type" of sabbath (rest) and that sabbath (rest) is entered into through obedience to Christ by ceasing from his own works. I'm sorry but if you can't read plain English "it is frustrating".
Look, I sent you the article in a PM. The link is the same. I delete the h t t p because it wouldn't post otherwise. Sorry for the 'page not found' thing. However, I would like for you to honestly look at this link. If you still think I'm wrong, then that's that. So, please read it.
@queenrage1 Paul is very clear in his teachings, he told the Galatians they are accursed to teach the ceremonial laws to the church, he would never in direct contradiction-teach that a sabbath day should be kept, and I contend that he did not in Heb. 3 and 4; except you have insincerely and desperately twisted it in by saying the work we cease from is as God did from his, means we cease from physical labor, but the whole context is ceasing from the labors of that old man in obedience to Christ.
@queenrage1 God said they shall not enter into my rest having spoken this in a certain place of the seventh day: it does not say this speaking of a seventh day was on or about the seventh day of creation except it says and God rested from his works on the seventh day as confirmation to the rest that future saints would experience as God spoke prophetically (of Israel) that they shall not enter my rest; that is, God was prophesying of the rest the church would enter through obedience to Christ.
@queenrage1 We are new creatures in Christ once for all, and the old man is buried in baptism once, we do cease from the works God ceased from, we die to ourselves as also our God died to himself, in whom we enter and have rest from our works without Christ; for even if we were righteous without Christ even our righteous “works” can not save us. A sabbath that remains in Heb.4:6-9 are of a reward, to separate them into separate ideas is bias; obviously not rightly dividing the word.
@queenrage1 Those that are ceasing from their works to enter Christ spiritual rest (sabbath) are said to cease from sin, yet you hypocritically say those that are ceasing from their works in keeping a sabbath are ceasing from physical labor, like as God ceased from his works, yet it says has ceased from his “own” works Heb.4:10, meaning they were not good or evil works, they simply were works without obedience to Christ,which means their ceasing is as God; ceasing from their own righteousness.
@queenrage1 All the ceremonies of the Torah were shadows of better things to come, to mandate a sabbath through a very cloudy and quite shady interpretation is horribly insincere, you ignore the entire context is of a spiritual rest (reward). This rest is in the kingdom of God and unto an eternal rest with God in the new Jerusalem. A literal sabbath denies the OT ceremony was a shadow, and ignores the true object which the shadow represents “a perpetual rest in Christ by ceasing from ourselves”.
@queenrage1 Look at how insincerely Heb.4:11 is handled. Its said that the “that rest" points to a sabbath rest from vs 10. Verse 10 is not talking about a sabbath rest. But the real proof of what kind of rest vs 11 is talking about comes in vs 12-16 it says “for” meaning its taking from the verse before, speaking of our conduct as a child of God, holding fast our profession and coming boldly to the throne of grace; all of which can be done, and involves ceasing from our own works “as God did”.
people need to wake up.... the sabbath wont get anyone to heaven... people dont realise that the Catholic Chruch wants people to join the Sda Church, we need to understand the Spirutual warfare... the bigger the institution the easier the people to control.... people better just undestand the powers of 666... it is far reaching.. maybe you dont know it controls Moslems as well... well see how religions will gell to form the biggest persecuting power the world has ever seen... just watch..
I agree with one of your statements, keeping the 4th commandment--and all of them--do not justify nor save us; we are saved by grace through faith. Ephesians 2:8.
"Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin." Rom 3:20
Keeping his commandments do not save us, rather the function of His commandments is to tell us what constitutes sin. Breaking a commandment=sin, for "sin is transgression of the law". 1 John 3:4
So how do the saved, who are saved only by grace--a living faith in Jesus' sacrifice of His death in their stead--ACT? Now that they have been justified by faith, and only faith, do they return to their lifestyles of sin-breaking His law, His Ten Commandments? Or do they instead walk in the newness of life, being forgiven totally for their past sins, walking with Jesus, walking just as Jesus walked?
"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life." Rom 6:1-4
It was our sins--our breaking of His Ten Commandments--which caused the death of Jesus on the Cross. Our sins also killed us, we died with Jesus. v4. Paul asks the rhetorical question, saved only by Jesus' grace, how much longer can we go back to our old sinful lifestyle? The answer is, we can't, and expect His grace to cover us.
@Nirky the promise of a savior had been given wayyyyyy before the ten commandments gen;3;15 JESUS was the LAMB slain before the foundation of the world
@Nirky the promise of a savior had been given wayyyyyy before the ten commandments gen;3;15 JESUS was the LAMB slain before the foundation of the world
Indeed, the need for the Savior was at the very beginning, because Adam SINNED (Rom 5:12). So sin was in the world far before God gave His law to Israel at Mt. Sinai.
But what exactly is "sin" anyways?
"Sin is transgression of the law." 1 Jn 3:4.
So if sin existed back in Eden, there also had to be a law, because "for where there is no law there is no transgression." Rom 4:15.
@Nirky AGAIN WE are not saved by keeping the law otherwise faith is useles n grace would not be necessary again I you will never be saved by keeping the sabath because even in the sabath we constantly sin
We are justified ONLY by faith in His righteousness, not by anything we do. Read Romans ch 4.
The function of His Commandments is not to save, but to show what constitutes sin.
I am not justified by keeping His Commandments, I keep them because it is His will that I not live in sin. What does breaking His Commandments say about His grace? He died for our sins, they killed Him. We died too. How much longer can we go on breaking His law and expect His grace to cover us?
But which law, that has been in effect since man has existed, tells us what constitutes "sin", both back then & now, after the Cross?
"I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.” Rom 7:7
Paul, who also told us where there is no law there can be no sin, and that all men have sinned, identifies the law which defines what constitutes "sin" as God's Ten Commandments. See also James 2:11.
@Nirky IF YOU BREAK one of the commandments you are guilty of them all !!! SO!!!! who has never lusred or taken theLORDS name in vain why try to keep 1 commandment while breaking the rst for we are saved by grace through faith that not of yourselves it is a gift not of worksSO THAT NO ONE MAY BOAST what you boasting on the sabath?
That's right we are saved ONLY by His grace (Eph 2:8), we can only be righteous by having His righteousness imputed to us by FAITH in Him, unto salvation. Romans ch4. This is His grace. In contrast, His law functions differently:
"Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin." Rom 3:20
Keeping His Commandments cannot justify us, because we have already ALL sinned, all have fallen short of His glory (Rom 3:23), we ALL need a Savior. But His Commandments do tell us what constitutes sin. Why is knowing what constitutes sin vitally important, since we are saved ONLY by grace through faith?
"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?" Rom 6:1-2
Sin, our sin, killed Jesus, and it killed us too. Paul asks the rhetorical question, saved only by His grace, can we continue to live a sinful lifestyle and expect His grace to cover us? We cannot. Those who have been justified by faith and saved by His grace walk in a newness of life, a lifestyle opposite of sin.
@Nirky and to the one who does not work but believes in him who justyfies the ungodly his faith is counted as righteousness keeping the sabath will not save anyone
What a load of nonsense! No one is attacking your Sabbath! Keep your damn Sabbath and we will keep our Sunday. This is nothing but Fear-mongering -- the use of Fear to influence the opinions and actions of others towards some specific end.
Cherubaby 1 week ago
If Seventh Day Adventists had the Power they would enforce Sabbath Law and persecute all those who kept Sunday. Want to make a bet?
Cherubaby 1 week ago
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dj9968210 1 month ago
We need to watch His Moon For these dates !
Today is January 09 / 2012 accoding to man’s calendar YHWH’s calendar it is 10th lunation 22nd day, current depending where you are it is today monday next month it should be wednesday according to when new moon is of course...and so forth we also should worship on new moon days!! blessings
Genesis 1:14
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You are teaching a Gospel of WORKS! The Old Testament Laws are all based on WORKS. Jesus said: "Come to Me, all you who are weary and heavy burdened, and I will give you rest." Matthew 11:28. Note Jesus does NOT say if you are weary and heavy burdened then go and rest on the Sabbath! Why is that? Because is Jesus is our REST now. The Old Testament Laws were a SHADOW of the things to come, the REALITY however is found in CHRIST.
Cherubaby 3 months ago
I found the book written by A. Jan Marcussen, fifteenth printing in 1993 Titled "National Sunday Law".
This was a thought I had myself in the 70s over why most christians use the first day of the week instead of the last. Were they willingly disobeying or dumb to it? Either way it was not what their book tells them.
When the bad trees' fruit thinks it is good, imagine how much better the world will be with just good fruits around.
SlackerSlayer 3 months ago
...If God said to stop working and take a break on the 7th Day....then so be it.
...If they say you must work on the Sabbath to keep your job...Say....Nope, I'll live in a tent first, thank you very much....and you can keep your NWO job.
vachief 3 months ago
Sabbath Day will Never Changed!
The Truth Shall Set you Free.
-John 8:32
006591048090 4 months ago
Worship is the key that unlocks Revelation, and worship is the central theme of Revelation and Mark of the Beast. The word Grace, Jesus and Amen are found regularly in settings of worship, and ALL Christians use those words, even Sunday keeping Christians, so they WILL NOT get the Mark of the Beast. Only those who do NOT accept grace and worship Jesus will get the Mark of the Beast.
Any Christian who 100% trust Jesus alone and not works are saved by grace and cannot get the Mark of the Beast!
EvangelistEvan 5 months ago
@EvangelistEvan
Actually Revelation is all about TRUE worship of the Lamb vs. FALSE worship of Him, which in reality worships the beast and the person behind the beast, Satan.
True worship:
"Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters." Rev 14:7
So just how does the Bible define the way to worship Him who made heaven and earth and the fountains of waters?
Nirky 4 months ago 9
@Nirky You have been deceived by a FALSE teacher and FALSE prophet and by a CULT that in end times you must trust in your 10 Commandment keeping and Sabbath WORKS to avoid getting the Mark of the Beast, to inherit eternal life, to be accepted by God and to be saved! Satan, Ellen G White and the SDA Cult have mislead you and deceived you with an END TIME DELUSION that has led you away from complete trust in Jesus to save you and led you away from grace alone to save! You have been TRICKED!
EvangelistEvan 4 months ago
@EvangelistEvan
I'm not trusting my works to save me, rather I know I am saved ONLY by grace (Eph 2:8, 2 Tim 1:9) and judged and rewarded ONLY by my works (Ecc 3:17, Matt 16:27, 1 Pet 1:17). Works cannot save but rather are EVIDENCE that our conversion, our response to His free grace, is GENUINE.
I'll ask again, how does the Bible define the way to worship Him who made heaven and earth and the fountains of waters?
Nirky 4 months ago 10
@Nirky I can prove that you indeed do TRUST IN YOUR SABBATH WORKS to avoid the coming Mark of the Beast and to inherit eternal life and to be accepted by God and saved by asking you 2 questions:
1. According to Ellen G White, what must a person, who has faith in Jesus to be their Lord and Saviour, DO to inherit eternal life, be accepted by God and to be saved, and to avoid receiving the coming Mark of the Beast?
2. What must they DO exactly?
Don't run and hide, answer them directly!
EvangelistEvan 4 months ago
@EvangelistEvan
See how you have ignored my question twice now. Here it is again, for the third time: How does the Bible define the way to worship Him who made heaven and earth and the fountains of waters (Rev 14:7)? Book & verse pls.
Feel free to quote Ellen if you wish, and we can discuss what she said, after you have given the answer to my question. Present what quote you have in mind and let's see if it is in accordance with Holy Scripture.
Nirky 4 months ago 3
@Nirky You very very often try the same old trick to sidestep my questions by trying to ask me questions instead. It's obvious you are too frightened to answer these questions..so that's why you sidestep and hide from my questions:
1. According to Ellen G White, what must a person, who has faith in Jesus to be their Lord and Saviour, DO to inherit eternal life, be accepted by God and to be saved, and to avoid receiving the coming Mark of the Beast?
2. What must they DO exactly?
EvangelistEvan 4 months ago
@EvangelistEvan
Again, please give your Ellen White quote and then let's compare it to what Holy Scripture says. I do not know what quote you are referring to. Please therefore give it and let's compare it to Scripture.
I've asked you the same question 3 times now, without getting a response. So, for the 4th time:
How does the Bible define the way to worship Him who made heaven and earth and the fountains of waters (Rev 14:7)? Book & verse pls. Or do you choose not to answer?
Nirky 4 months ago 4
@Nirky It seems you are still too frightened to answer my questions, so I will try to get answers out of you again, but this must be about the 4th time I am asking you these questions:
1. According to Ellen G White, what must a person, who has faith in Jesus to be their Lord and Saviour, DO to inherit eternal life, be accepted by God and to be saved, and to avoid receiving the coming Mark of the Beast?
2. What must they DO exactly?
Don't run and hide, don't sidestep, just answer them please!
EvangelistEvan 4 months ago
@EvangelistEvan
As I do not know which quote you are referring to, please give it, so that we may look at it and compare it to Holy Scripture. Do you have a quote in mind or are you simply wasting time, mine and our readers'? If you have a quote in mind of hers, feel free to post it.
Nirky 4 months ago 4
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@Nirky You keep sidestepping, and running and hiding from my questions. So here goes again...I wonder if you will continue to be too frightened to answer me.
1. According to Ellen G White, what must a person, who has faith in Jesus to be their Lord and Saviour, DO to inherit eternal life, be accepted by God and to be saved, and to avoid receiving the coming Mark of the Beast?
2. What must they DO exactly?
EvangelistEvan 4 months ago
@EvangelistEvan
Q: How does the Bible define the way to worship Him who made heaven and earth and the fountains of waters (Rev 14:7)?
A: Exodus 20:8-11. "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it." v11
That is how the Bible defines worshiping Him who made heaven and earth and the fountains of waters. The Lord's Day.
God bless you to know Jesus.
Nirky 4 months ago 5
@Nirky
"I'll ask again, how does the Bible define the way to worship Him who made heaven and earth and the fountains of waters?"
Do you mean that if i worship the one true God on tuesday, it will be a sin?
IsaacBG84 4 months ago
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Nirky 4 months ago
@IsaacBG84
"I will bless the LORD at all times: his praise shall continually be in my mouth." Ps 34:1
"Pray without ceasing." 1 Thes 5:17
"And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ." Acts 5:42. See also Acts 20:7-12.
Sin is transgressing God's law, the Ten Commandments. 1 Jn 3:4, Rom 7:7, Jas 2:11. It is not sin to worship Him on Tuesday, but it's sin when we break the Commandment or foist sanctity on a day the Jesus did not command.
Nirky 4 months ago 4
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biospharms 5 months ago
understand too that this is why immigrants are being flooded into every country. Democracy is 3 wolves and 1 sheep deciding what is for dinner. They will have people in each country vote on a sunday law but they are purposely creating a tipping point.
artsychic2000 5 months ago
Satan duplicates everything the Lord has done. Satan knows scripture more than most men. If there was not a true sabbath day wherein all would worship together the Lord Jesus than why would satan determine to have his own day. He intends to contend with the saints and route them out as in times past. With ephesians 2 we have christian and jew worshipping together. Breaking down the partition of the law but mostly laws made by sadducees and pastors. Saturday would be the only day possible.
artsychic2000 5 months ago
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Ephesians 2
artsychic2000 5 months ago
Ephesians 2
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"He that saith, I KNOW him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a LIAR, and the truth is not in him" 1Jn 2:4.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never KNEW you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Mat 7:22-23.
If you knew Jesus you would understand Matt 5:17 and Jesus's character and why He would not destroy the law.
hopgoblin1 5 months ago
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The fact is that, ever since EG White made the false fabricated prediction, THE EXACT OPPOSITE has happened. The blue laws are complete gone are none existent. There is plenty on the internet to show she was a fake! The truth and fables website along with many other shows her errors. These cult members try to quell their conscience that shouts "you are in a cult" by going out and destroying other Christians and their families over claiming you have to become Jewish to be Christian.
EricSaavy 6 months ago
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Ellen fabricated a bunch of false lies and false dreams so she could persecute Christians. There is no other false religion other than the Muslims that persecute Christians the way Elllen G White taught them to do. The SDA can't stand it that Gentiles don't have to become Jewish to be Christians. Their religion is so wacked, they think and teach ARABS are supposed to be Jewish. And all Christians have to become Jewish too.
EricSaavy 6 months ago
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AWHNNOH 7 months ago
Was Ellen G White put to the test of a prophet? Was there female prophets in the bible?
douglasdolly 7 months ago
@douglasdolly Yes Ellen White was tested to be given the title of prophet and yes there were female prophets (a prophetess) in the bible? , Miriam (Ex 15:20), Deborah (Judges 4:4) Isaiah's wife (Is 8:3), Anna (Luke 2:36) and the four daughters of Philip(Acts 21:9) to name a few, but also the bible says that men and women will prophesy (Joel 2:28). Clearly the Bible teaches that women can prophesy too, however gender is by no means a test of a prophet. There are no female priests in the Bible.
krisjamel 7 months ago
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@krisjamel
The test of prophet was one of accuracy. If they prophecy something in the name of the Lord and it does not come to pass then that is what the Lord has not spoken and the prophet has spoken presumptuously and of them you should not be afraid.
Not only has Ellen spoke presumptuously, she has also spoken inaccurately of the scriptures. These two things show her only to be a man-made prophet, not God-ordained.
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
Matthew 22 : [35] Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38] This is the first and great commandment.
[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets
Donking595 7 months ago
John 9:16 Therefore said some of the Pharisees, This man is not of God, because he keepeth not the sabbath day. Others said, How can a man that is a sinner do such miracles? And there was a division among them.
Donking595 7 months ago
Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Donking595 7 months ago
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Matthew 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Donking595 7 months ago
Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Donking595 7 months ago
THIS IS AWESOME!!! it is so important that we know the CORRECT DAY OF WORSHIP!!! so many people want to do what They want to do on the Sabbath Day and Not what GOD asks of them, or tells them in his law. Thank you for this :))
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Is Jesus a created being?
Myhopeisinhim 7 months ago
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In whom are you trusting for your salvation? yourself or the Lord of all creation who died on the cross and shed his blood for your sins, and rose again the third day?
Myhopeisinhim 7 months ago
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Welcome back, Zacmarvalmak;) That's right you come through the Son to reach the Father:) Problem is, if you trust in the wrong Son, you won't make it to the Father. Jesus said, Unless you believe that, I am, you will die in your sins. Before Abraham was I AM!
God bless
Myhopeisinhim 7 months ago
@earsarehearible
What people are doing is taking Christ out of salvation, and putting the focus back on themselves. On their actions to save them. They are moving away from the blood, rather than moving to the blood. They are moving away from grace and back to the law as the means of salvation.
Paul calls that a perverted gospel, one that really isn't a gospel at all.
Myhopeisinhim 7 months ago
Sabbatarians started it all. EG White couldn't figure out that God created the 1st day of the week in Genesis1 and Col.1:16 says it was created "FOR HIM (CHRIST). Instead, you SDA hypocrites, brag about keeping the 4th commandment, while you CONSTANTLY break the 9th commandment by FABRICATING LIES against your neighbor! SDA claims to worship the Trinity, but then they call Christians, "SATAN WORSHIPERS" who worship the Trinity. HYPOCRITES! Read Isa. 1:13-16 God hates your Sabbaths!
EricSaavy 7 months ago
@earsarehearible
You are correct, for those that speak against the word and teach people falsely will have a greater judgment than others. This is why the leaders of the churches, and even the world, must be careful in what they teach and the roads they take.
I personally believe in sticking solely with the word of God. If I don't see it in the word, I don't believe it. When I see people change the scriptures to fit their churches, I speak out against it. You are more than welcome to share...
Myhopeisinhim 7 months ago
what you feel is wrong about what I've taught.
I fully agree in walking in love as Jesus walked, and loving others as he loved us. Do I believe I'm under the law of Moses? No I don't. Do I feel I have to keep feast days and be circumcised, no I don't. Jesus did all those things, yes, he was under the old covenant; but they are not a requirement in the new covenant.
Do we have to love? Oh yes, 100% completely. Should we bear the fruits of the Spirit, by all means YES:)
Myhopeisinhim 7 months ago
I should live a life that bears fruit of the love of God. Let others see his love in us so that they might come to know him. The ultimate show of love was on the cross. If we can remember that, and remember all that Christ did for us, it helps us in dealing with those around us.
His love and his Spirit keeps us from wandering and if we do, he brings us back.
Myhopeisinhim 7 months ago
@earsarehearible
There are many false teachers out there, false doctrines, doctrines of demons as they are called in the scriptures. The bible even says that there will be ones that even teach to abstain from meat. Ones who listen to demons who can transform themselves into an angel of light.
Ones who try and take away the gospel of Christ by turning it into a lie and claiming that the law of Moses must be kept to be saved, whether they want to say one law, ten, or all 613, it's the same.
Myhopeisinhim 7 months ago
there will be those who take away the atonement and say its not complete yet, and that his blood isn't sufficient, that you have to also be made perfect by your actions in the flesh according to the law.
These teachers teach opposite the bible. They change the bible to suit their whims, rather than using the bible to change their teachings according to what the bible says.
Myhopeisinhim 7 months ago
how much is enough to be worthy to attain salvation, to prove your faith?
Do you not know that we are all alike under the law? Guilty. That law has already judged you and found you wanting.
The very law you are trying to use to prove your faith has declared you already guilty.
The only difference between the saved and unsaved is faith in Christ and his finished work. That is what separates life from certain eath....not the flesh.
Myhopeisinhim 7 months ago
@nirky
if it wasn't impossible then Christ died in vain. If it wasn't impossible then why is it that Jesus alone was the only one without sin?
If it wasn't impossible why does everyone today fail to keep it, even those who try?
This is why salvation is not based on your actions because the standard is perfection and just one small err puts you out.
Myhopeisinhim 7 months ago
@earsarehearible
No one is talking about not bearing fruit. If one truly believes and have received the Spirit of God, will bear fruits. Question is, what fruits? fruits of the Spirit,or the works of the law?
Myhopeisinhim 7 months ago
Doesn't matter on any day you pray, as long as you think of God in your heart is accepted. Are we still in a medieval age to still think that what day belongs to god or the beast.. come on, GAFL.
GJ838 7 months ago
@GJ838
What Day belongs to our Savior, the Lord Jesus? The Lord's Day. Mark 2:27-28, Matt 12:8, Luke 6:5, Rev 1:10.
Still think it doesn't matter?
Nirky 7 months ago
@GJ838 Really? Have you read II Samuel 15?
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AWHNNOH 7 months ago
@whyhopeinvain
May the Lord God bless you, zac:) You are in my thoughts and prayers. Jesus is waiting for you with open arms, just as the father was of the prodical son. He has not turned from you, I pray that you will accept his sacrifice on your behalf and turn back to him.
I don't know exactly where you stand, but God does, so I'm leaving you in his hands. He loves you so much and died on the cross for your sins. Please don't turn away from this free gift, nothing else can compare to it.
Myhopeisinhim 7 months ago
@whyhopeinvain
1 John 3: 18-24
Dear children, let's not merely say that we love each other; let us show the truth by our actions. Our actions will show that we belong to the truth, so we will be confident when we stand before God. Even if we feel guilty, God is greater than our feelings, and he knows everything.
Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God. And we will receive from him whatever we ask because we obey him and do the things that please him.
Myhopeisinhim 7 months ago
And this is his commandment: We must BELIEVE in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and LOVE one another, just as he commanded us. Those who obey God's commandments remain in fellowship with him, and he with them. And we know he lives in us because the Spirit he gave us lives in us
Do you believe? If you don't believe then you are disobeying God's commandment and are not in fellowship with him, or he with you. I pray that you have made the choice to follow him, if so, love in both word and deed
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harvestsoulfly 8 months ago
@joheak if you focus on the number one commandment (which Jesus told us to do) you will fulfill the law by doing the will of the Father. Focusing on one commandmeb
harvestsoulfly 8 months ago
@harvestsoulfly whats the number one command? To love God with all your heart, mind and soul? do you mean that command? Well HOW do I love Him? By doing what? How do I show this type of love? by doing what He ask or commands? we what does He ask me to do? We are told by God Himself in Exodus 20: HOW to love Him. If Jesus came to do not his will but the Fathers will, why would he change what the Father said? God's law that He spoke and wrote (not Moses) are just and true. by Grace I am saved!
joheak 8 months ago
@joheak
Do you remember the teachers of the law in Jesus day? They were strict keepers of the law, but what did Jesus say to them?
Ye neither know me nor my father. If you loved my father you would love me for I came from the Father.
Myhopeisinhim 7 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim They were not strict keepers of God's Law but the rules and regulations they created. That's why Jesus came to magnify the law and clear up the confusion. He gave them examples of how they were being hypocritical of the law example, healing on the Sabbath which they condemned compared to assisting their oxen when in a ditch. Another example washing of hands and many others. They were hypocrites and they were teaching the people to be the same way.
joheak 7 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim
Wrong, the teachers THOUGHT they were keeping God's law, and keeping it well, but what does Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, say about their law keeping?
"Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it." Acts 7:52-53
Under human power, impossible to keep.
Nirky 7 months ago 2
UNLESS people are convicted by the Holy Spirit, man will stay a sleep in their ignorance. People would first pray and ask for discernment THEN do a LITTLE, not alot but a LITTLE research of the sabbath and Sunday change and what the Catholic CHURCH says and continues to say in PRINT about their infalliable right to change the day, this would so much clear. FORGET the SDA and just be a sabbath keeper if you have a fear of EW being a false prophet! It's not about her it's about God's Law
joheak 8 months ago
The bible does not say anywhere that God commanded the Prophets to keep the Sabbath prior to Moses. The 10 commandments weren't even written yet, the books of the law were given Throu Moses. Paul said: Abraham was made righteous by believing in God, as Noah. So yr making an assumption to justify the Sabbath. Regardless of Gen 2, they couldn't have known yet.
harvestsoulfly 8 months ago
@harvestsoulfly Why were the 10 Commands wriiten? Where not the Israelist in bondage for over 430 years and had not a clue of the living God according to their fathers (meaning Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob) as a whole. Out of sin God had to teach them how to worship and have reverends for Him. In Gen 6 1:8 why was God say he would destroy man because of their wickeness? It doesnt say prior He gave them some rules does it? But are we to believe God told them HOW to treat Him and his fellow man????
joheak 8 months ago
If you focus on keeping Jesus number one commandment you will fullfil the law of the prophets as He said. Focusing on the Sabbath will not save you nor please God. you need to keep all the levitical rules in order to completely keep it Holy.
Your missing the forest for the trees.
harvestsoulfly 8 months ago
@harvestsoulfly I following and/or focusing on Christ means obedience. What am I to obey? Laws of health and living AMONGST other things. He is always number one and I obey becuse he IS number one. But we must know what to obey. Many churches SAY the follow Christ but they do not. Jesus is not just about love, and happiness Follow my point). He said,he came to cause division between father and son etc. Well thats the division?? Some things people say are godly or Jesus way is not.
joheak 8 months ago
@joheak
How do you believe you will be cleansed of your sins? Did Jesus death on the cross cleanse you of your sin. Wash your sin away? or is it still there waiting to see how well you do according to the law as to whether or not you will come into condemnation?
Myhopeisinhim 8 months ago
This video is nice, Keep the Sabbath Holy but celebrate Christ on the 1st day of the week; this is the day we gather in "his name".
protochris 8 months ago
I don't understand why there is so much argument over the sabbath day keeping. Jesus discusses how hard it will be to keep sabbath in the last days. Look in revelations. If he mentions keeping the sabbath thru the tribulation how can any one argue it has been removed/replaced?
newave123456 8 months ago
@newave123456 Also every one keeps hollering about only thru faith and grace are we saved. "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also: and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father" (John 14:12). Clearly he is stating that IF you truly believe in him and have true faith you shall do his works! You must have the one first THEN you will be enlightened enough to understand that you must also follow his way (God's way).
newave123456 8 months ago
Respond to this video... Also who is this woman every one keeps sighting? I don't know about the rest of you but I read the BIBLE. NOT someone who interprets the bible. I believe this is the first problem we have. Everyone should just read the bible and not focus on what others write about the bible. I try hard to follow all ten commandments. That does not make you perfect or holy-er than thou... It just means that because of faith, you are trying to obey Gods law.
newave123456 8 months ago
the sevent day means the complition a holy day when God revel to you all his creation and whow he did so you are to relax and be still and know that he is and when someone said to you that is sofering from something and you know that person know what you know you are to help them
Ipanima88 8 months ago
if u know the ten commandments of God then we must to strive to follow Him.remember our salvation is individual...understand what's in the Bible says...
barbie584 9 months ago
Romans 14:5 One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.
The Bible doesn't teach anything about a National Sunday Law in America or an International Sunday Law around the world. Adventists have come up with it as a scare tactic to get people to join their denomination and worship on Saturday.
radiomanguy 9 months ago
Such fuss. This law isn't coming to the US because its too religious in nature. You can choose to worship on Saturday if you like. Most people have a two day weekend. If they don't, they have rotating schedule and would have to ask for their day of worship off anyway. I only see this as a problem for bartenders. Some states still have blue laws, but a bar is not a very Christian establishment to be working in my opinion.
steppenwolfsayshi1 9 months ago
@steppenwolfsayshi1
Not only does the Bible prophesy Sunday laws to be enforced in the US, but the US will be the WORLDWIDE enforcer for the first beast, the Roman church state, making an image to the first beast by forcing the world to keep the laws of the first beast. Rev 13:16.
Chief of these laws will be Sunday sanctity--the mark of their ecclesiastical authority--promotion of the first day of the week as sacred, making all other days, including the 4th Commandment Lord's Day, work days.
Nirky 9 months ago
I still believe the Sabbath is Sunday.
maria39208 9 months ago
@maria39208
"And he said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath:
Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath." Mark 2:27-28, also Matt 12:8, Luke 6:5
The only Day Jesus claims Lordship of is the seventh day. This is because the seventh day guides us to remember that He is Creator & sustainer of us all, and for those who believe and obey Him, it is also a memorial of their salvation in Christ. Heb 4:1-11.
Nirky 9 months ago
again if you break one commandment you are guilty of them all you cannot pick n choose so if you think you will be justified by the works of the law you got something else comming your way
patriotsfan1379 10 months ago
why then do you make images of what you call God in your video?
the 7th day Sabbath was changed by God according to Matt 28:1-6 to the 1st day when Jesus arose from the grave. Read the whole Bible!
then Ellen G White falsely claimed to have seen a vision from God, one of over 2000, and reverted back to the 7th day.
Since God does not add to the Bible (Rev 22:18-19), we know Ellen is a prophet of Satan.
wwwFamilyradioCom/graphical/literature/sunday.html
Judgment Day begins on May 21, 2011
WeCanKnowDottCom 10 months ago
@WeCanKnowDottCom
"And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.” Mark 2:27-28
The only Day Jesus claims Lordship of is His Day, the Sabbath, the Day He made by resting on after 6 days of creation, the seventh Day, God's 4th Commandment. Gen 2:2-3, Ex 20:8-11.
Nirky 10 months ago
@WeCanKnowDottCom You're the one who didn't read the whole bible. The bible says that Christ came to fulfill the law, not to break it. Exodus chapter 20 lists the Ten Commandments, the law. Also, it was the pope who changed the true sabbath, the seventh day, to the first day. And how do you know that judgement day begins on May 21, 2011 when Christ Himself said that only the Father knows when it will happen? Are you the Father?
TheCheckm8r 10 months ago
@WeCanKnowDottCom You are mistaken. While I know nothing of Ellen G White, I can tell you that changing the Sabbath from Sat to Sun is ADDING to scripture
Jesus didn't RISE on Sun. His tomb was found EMPTY on Sun. If you examine the gospel accounts for the crucifixion, you will notice 2 SABBATH's are mentioned. The first was the annual HIGH DAY, or First day of Unleavened Bread, which was Thurs. The 2nd was the weekly Sabbath. Christ died on Wed, rose Sat evening. 3 DAYS and 3 NIGHTS later
jumper86 10 months ago
@jumper86 Was Jesus really resurrected on Easter, born on Dec 25th?
Prior to Moses & the Levetical law there isn't one scripture that says rest on the sabbath. Gen 2:2 says God rested on the 7th day, so is Abraham & all the Patriarchs subject to condemnation?
Show me one verse that is clear & says one will receive the mark because they didn't worship on Sat? If you can't & only can quote from EGW visions & believe them, then you are putting her visions above the Holy Bible.
harvestsoulfly 9 months ago
@harvestsoulfly Just sad...Missing the point. Regardless of the EW the Bible speaks for itself. Why are we told to search the scripture. If God is resting on Saturday, the day he sanctified and set aside why would it not be for his creation??? Israelist in bondage 430 years and the first law given BEFORE Mt. SInai big 10 (Exodus 16) God tells them, his people, to respect his Holy Day... I don't need EW to tell me that, the Bible the Bible ALONE says that.
joheak 8 months ago
ITS UP TO US TRUE BELEIVERS TO ACT NOW
JEHOVAHSLAW 10 months ago
Luke 6:5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man ( IS) Lord also of the sabbath.
God cannot say it plainer.Sadly SDA are good at not sticking to the scripture, They will say no it mean some compleatly different. The Puritan knew the scriptures you should learn from them. not e white. Its the same on the vegetarian issue the bible say ..1 Timothy 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: the sda says it doest sat for food??What
1australianbeacon 10 months ago
That is why HE IS LORD of the Sabbath. HE KEPT the LAW perfectly that is why John in revelation sobbed when there was NO MAN who could open the seals NO MAN just the God Man Jesus Christ. If you cannot keep love your brother what is all the rest worth. The Sabbath is NOT the mark of the Beast. Math 28:1 proves that as well as hebrews Colos, we establish the Law through Christ that is every day serving HIM, sabbath was not a day of worship but rest (PICTURE) heavan. get it move on. leave E White
1australianbeacon 10 months ago
@1australianbeacon
Not so, Jesus nowhere teaches He BECAME Lord of the Sabbath because He did not sin, rather we see He has ALWAYS BEEN Lord His Sabbath because HE CREATED IT! Gen 2:2-3
Therefore He knew what was breaking His Day, the Lord's Day (Rev 1:10), and what wasn't. That was His clear message to the religious leaders who mistakingly thought He was breaking God's 4th Commandment by healing and doing good on the 7th Day. Mark 2:27-28. Their ideas about His law of LOVE were faulty.
Nirky 10 months ago
Do you really know what Christ is its not Saturday (Saturn Day) Its not just one verse which you deny. The WHOLE book of Hebrews teaches Christ is better. Christ is the substance of REAL rest. He is Lord of the Sabetth..Colossians 2:16 ¶Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: How many verses do you want to deny and give to Jesus Christ. Just remember Abraham had righteousness and had no sabetth!! get it!
1australianbeacon 10 months ago
@1australianbeacon My brother let me correct you there.. Colossians 2:16 is talking about the meat offering and the drink offerings the Jews had to offer in sign of respect... and of the new moon also the sabbath days is plural it is not talking of 1 sabbath. Moses wrote down his own ordinances and one of these ordinances were every 7 years they had to do a festival ( Exodus 24:4) this did not come from God's hand therefore it can be changed
MrMUNASHE01 10 months ago
@MrMUNASHE01 colossians is also talking about all sabbaths it doesnt say all but one judaiser who wanted the keep the hand writting or ordances where enslaving the liberty we have in christ no different today. The WHOLE LAW is summed up in this Love thy brother as thyself. Christ is our rest! No shadows the substance. Not creation rest nor cannan rest but Christ Lord of the Sabbeth the other day in Hebrews my friend seek that rest which is found in Jesus Christ. Abraham theif on the cross. Gt it
1australianbeacon 10 months ago
@1australianbeacon
Colossians 2:16 clearly speaks of the ceremonial sacrificial book of the law annual new moon meat & drink offering shadow sabbath ORDINANCES of Lev chapter 23.
God's 4th Commandment is never called a "shadow" in scripture, neither is it determined by new moon, nor does the Lord's Day have included in it any meat nor drink nor grain offerings. Those were all shadows, laws picturing deliverance from sin, of good things to come-Christ!
Nirky 10 months ago
@1australianbeacon Well explained brother but here is the issue If you know the difference between Law and ordinance then you would understand this verse. Also i advise you read Colossians 2:14-16 this is the only way you would understand. If you think Jesus came to abolish THE LAW OF SABBATH then you are blind folded hence Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Jesus himself kept the sabbath NOT of Moses But of the 10 commandment
MrMUNASHE01 10 months ago
The sabetth is not the mark of the best it was hatched by Rome . Stop say it its you look dumb in saying it!! Read Math 28:1 for yourselves read it in the greek strongs or greek lexicon. The old sabetth ended as it began to dawn of the protos first in sucession sabetth. Christ OUr rest. Man was made late on day 6 mans first day which was the his first day rested with Jesus isn,t that beutifull.. Let no man judge you in a "sabetths" plural get that one living in you.
1australianbeacon 10 months ago
@1australianbeacon Dude, really? Did you even watch the video or were you just reacting? Read the ENTIRE BIBLE! Don't just pick one verse here or there and base your entire belief system on that and what other people say. Man! The Sabbath issue is more that just 'what day to go to church on'. It's about who you own your loyalty to. Christ or Satan? Which is it? God has standards and you have the choice on whether you want to follow them or not.
queenrage1 10 months ago
Mark 2:27 "The Sabbath was MADE for MAN"
Man was MADE 6th day THEN God MADE the Sabbath for man on the 7th Day of Creation. It was MADE so MAN could MEET his MAKER JESUS. No Jews @creation
Acts 18:4 And he reasoned n synagogue every Sabbath & persuaded Jews & GREEKS
Acts 13:42,44 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue the GENTILES besought these words might be preached to them the NEXT SABBATH And the NEXT SABBATH day came almost the WHOLE city together to hear the WORD OF GOD.
1978dagreat 10 months ago
The mark of the beast is strictly associated with the second end time world kingdom of Satan in the flesh, it is a worldwide identification system: using the fingerprint as in the right hand and the eye as in the forehead to scan and identify all that accept citizenship into the world system. The Sabbath is strictly associated with the Mosaic law given only to lit. Israel. There is absolutely no requirement upon the sons of God to keep the sabbath before the Mosaic law, nor imposed on the church
JoBernard12oxen 11 months ago
@JoBernard12oxen Really? Do you actually think God is concern with what's on your can of beans, then rather what is in your heart and soul? Do you really believe that God's standard is based on subjective human creations? This is a soul issue. BOTH sides have a MARK! If you read the Bible, particular the entire book of Revelation, you would see that God himself marks his people, to protect them for the coming chaos. And what is this Sabbath is only Israel thing? Did not God keep it? Reflect.
queenrage1 10 months ago
@queenrage1 I've never denied that the mark can be figurative, in fact in my series "Revelation In Plain Language and Daniel in Plain Language I've suggested that citizenship to the first end time world kingdom opposed to Christ is as figuratively accepting the mark. however; you should read Revelation too; the mark in referenced to an identification system use quite literally in chapter 13;16-17. Also Jesus said if your eye/hand offend you cast them away signifying eye/hand scans to come.
JoBernard12oxen 10 months ago
@queenrage1 regardless of you reflection no one can prove that God required the Gentiles to keep the sabbath either before or after the Tora. No one can prove NT Gentiles were required to keep the sabbath, no one, no one. So you stand in judgment for what you believe and I'll stand in judgment for what I know.
JoBernard12oxen 10 months ago
@JoBernard12oxen Are you serious? Really? 0_0 No one can prove?
Do you know anything about Christian history? The founding fathers of Protestantism? Christianity in generally? Because if not, then its no wonder that you can say that and expect me to take it seriously. We will BOTH stand in judgment on what GOD has declared. None of this 'you believe and I believe what we want to believe' nonsense. I seriously implore you to really study, think, and reflect about this. This is your soul, man.
queenrage1 10 months ago
@queenrage1 Oh I hear you talk, talk talkin but you ain't proven nothing. Challenging my knowledge of the scripture does not prove the Torah was required upon Gentiles either before or after the old testament. So you think by slinging mud or making yourself sound so high and mighty makes your position? No wonder you teach things that Paul said make one accursed. Gal.1:8 At least you're consistent.
JoBernard12oxen 10 months ago
@JoBernard12oxen
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Well, at the end of everything, its your soul, man.
"Sunday is a Catholic institution and its claim to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles .... From beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first." (Catholic Press,1990.)
EVERY major denominational and historical scholar acknowledges this core fact. You feelings and traditions will hurt you.
queenrage1 10 months ago
@queenrage1 You said "there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first."-- That's not rightly dividing the word of truth nor does it prove what I've been trying to get out of you this entire conversation "prove the Gentiles Christians were required to keep the laws of the Torah FYI In Acts 20:7 the disciples came together to break bread while Paul preached and I Cor.16:2 they laid aside the offering til the first day/wk
JoBernard12oxen 10 months ago
@queenrage1 The reason I say its not rightly dividing the word of truth is simple. you can not expect the things require in the Torah to have been required on any of the generations of the sons of God before Moses, which means you have to divide that time period from the time God dealt specifically with Israel, likewise you must divide the time and testaments of Christ to the church from the time God dealt with national Israel. That's what it means to rightly divide the word of truth.
JoBernard12oxen 10 months ago
@queenrage1 Why divide the law of liberty from the law of Moses? Paul declared those that are requiring you Galatians to keep the law are worthy to be accursed of God. He confirmed with them, "AND" the saints at Antioch was commissioned of the Apostolic council that none of the ceremonial requirements of the law were required on the Gentile saints. Also these two laws constitute two separate dispensations of biblical time one to national Israel the other to spiritual Israel the church Gal.6:16
JoBernard12oxen 10 months ago
@queenrage1 I understand your frustration in trying to prove something that simply isn't there in scripture, so I would simply ask you another completely fair question..."the sabbath required of Israel under the law, what is its purpose"?
JoBernard12oxen 10 months ago
@JoBernard12oxen
I will answer your question.
However, I'm somewhat suspicious of your intentions because too many times have someone ask that same question, while not really wanting the answer in the first place. Digging up my files and writing my response, will takes a lot of weekend time. So, I don't want to do it, if you are just one of those people who want to argue with me using soundbites. Youtube's comment section isn't the place for this. PM me seriously, and I'll answer by Sun/Mon.
queenrage1 10 months ago
@queenrage1 Sorry I just don't PM anymore, people want to write you a book, and go all around the world and back again.... no, no, I just don't PM, I would be much obliged to keep it short, sweet and to the point. The answer can not be that long or difficult unless you are trying to support a lie, in which case PM would not be enough. Besides why not let the world know you haven't answered neither of my question 1. prove Gentile Christians keep the law, and 2. what is the purpose of the sabbath?
JoBernard12oxen 10 months ago
@JoBernard12oxen
Sigh. I can see, that you are the type. Well, then - I'm done with this then! I won't response to you after this.
1) Jesus (who true Christians follow in everything) kept the Saturday Sabbath. The early (pure) Christian Church kept the sabbath, etc.
2) It's God's sign and establishes his rightful authority.
To anyone who comes across this message in the future and is curious - PM me! I want you to get the full reasoning, history, and biblical importance of the manner!
queenrage1 10 months ago
@queenrage1 God never intended the sabbath to be a perpetual ceremony, from Adam to Moses the sabbath was not required of the sons of God. To say Christians should keep it because Jesus kept it is misapplying the word of God; If you want be like Jesus wear sandals and a robe, don't cut off all your hair, get circumcised and while you're at it move to Israel and keep the Passover and all the law. The sabbath was a shadow signifying Christ finish work on the cross, in Christ we have eternal rest.
JoBernard12oxen 10 months ago
@queenrage1 The same people that are telling Christians they should keep the law are the same people that don't realize that Christ kingdom is a spiritual kingdom. That is, the church is the spiritual nation of Israel, and in fact Paul said in Gal.4:22-31 the church is the child of promise and national Israel the slave child which is cast out because they are not heirs with the child of promise the church.
See the video "Israel is rejected of God in Scripture"
Christians are God's elect
JoBernard12oxen 10 months ago
@queenrage1 You should be more specific about "the type".
Also there is no proof of the early church keeping the sabbath, Israelite's which became Christians may have continued to keep these ceremonies by virtue of national protocol, but the Gentile churches was never required to keep them.
God established his rightful authority in the beginning and on Mt. Sinai not by the sabbath. The sabbath is symbolic: man has rest in Christ from sin and eternal condemnation.
Truth is you can't respond.
JoBernard12oxen 10 months ago
@JoBernard12oxen
As I said, I done.
In order to have a proper talk both parties must be willing to listen to the other in a respectful and equal manner and footing. The Youtube comment section is not at all the correct place. You didn't want to PM me, therefore, there is nothing to talk about further.
Furthermore, you have brought no evidence in supporting of your position. Not a single bible verse (in context) or evidence from history. So, this was a waste of time on both parts.
queenrage1 10 months ago
@queenrage1 I listened, at the end of the day I love you. The need for PM is a perception of your own. Heb.4:9 says there is "still" a sabbath: then it explains the nature of this sabbath which was spoken of by David, in daily (today) obedience we enter into his rest (spiritual rest) and cease from the works of our flesh. As Christ (God) has cease (finished) the work of salvation by dying so also we die to ourselves daily ceasing from our work (a perpetual sabbath day) much greater than one day.
JoBernard12oxen 10 months ago
@queenrage1 please look at my previous post using scripture to explain my position; all I want to know from you is: is it rightly divided or not? read Heb.4 for the full context, notice a single sabbath day rest is not required but daily obedience to enter into a perpetual rest is. so tell me did I rightly divide (interpret) the scripture? that's all I want to know? because if I did this conversation is over, and if you say I did not this conversation is over.
JoBernard12oxen 10 months ago
@JoBernard12oxen
No. It is not rightly divided. Remember, in order to understand 4, you need to go back to 3 because both hold to the same theme. Look, this is getting frustrating. I feel like I'm talking to a wall.
If you really want to understand the Bible's position on this matter, this is the best link as to WHY your understanding of this texts (and others like it) is WRONG. Here's the link :adventist-defense-league.blogspot.com/2008/01/hebrew-3-and-4-does-today-replace.html.
queenrage1 10 months ago
@queenrage1 [page not found] You ask for my scriptural position; chap 3 doesn't take away from my explanation, Quite simply 4:9 says a sabbath remains, as if to remind us that even though the church is not bound by the Mosaic law-never given to the church (but only to national Israel) 9 there still remains a "type" of sabbath (rest) and that sabbath (rest) is entered into through obedience to Christ by ceasing from his own works. I'm sorry but if you can't read plain English "it is frustrating".
JoBernard12oxen 10 months ago
@JoBernard12oxen
Look, I sent you the article in a PM. The link is the same. I delete the h t t p because it wouldn't post otherwise. Sorry for the 'page not found' thing. However, I would like for you to honestly look at this link. If you still think I'm wrong, then that's that. So, please read it.
queenrage1 10 months ago
@queenrage1 Paul is very clear in his teachings, he told the Galatians they are accursed to teach the ceremonial laws to the church, he would never in direct contradiction-teach that a sabbath day should be kept, and I contend that he did not in Heb. 3 and 4; except you have insincerely and desperately twisted it in by saying the work we cease from is as God did from his, means we cease from physical labor, but the whole context is ceasing from the labors of that old man in obedience to Christ.
JoBernard12oxen 10 months ago
@queenrage1 God said they shall not enter into my rest having spoken this in a certain place of the seventh day: it does not say this speaking of a seventh day was on or about the seventh day of creation except it says and God rested from his works on the seventh day as confirmation to the rest that future saints would experience as God spoke prophetically (of Israel) that they shall not enter my rest; that is, God was prophesying of the rest the church would enter through obedience to Christ.
JoBernard12oxen 10 months ago
@queenrage1 We are new creatures in Christ once for all, and the old man is buried in baptism once, we do cease from the works God ceased from, we die to ourselves as also our God died to himself, in whom we enter and have rest from our works without Christ; for even if we were righteous without Christ even our righteous “works” can not save us. A sabbath that remains in Heb.4:6-9 are of a reward, to separate them into separate ideas is bias; obviously not rightly dividing the word.
JoBernard12oxen 10 months ago
@queenrage1 Those that are ceasing from their works to enter Christ spiritual rest (sabbath) are said to cease from sin, yet you hypocritically say those that are ceasing from their works in keeping a sabbath are ceasing from physical labor, like as God ceased from his works, yet it says has ceased from his “own” works Heb.4:10, meaning they were not good or evil works, they simply were works without obedience to Christ,which means their ceasing is as God; ceasing from their own righteousness.
JoBernard12oxen 10 months ago
@queenrage1 All the ceremonies of the Torah were shadows of better things to come, to mandate a sabbath through a very cloudy and quite shady interpretation is horribly insincere, you ignore the entire context is of a spiritual rest (reward). This rest is in the kingdom of God and unto an eternal rest with God in the new Jerusalem. A literal sabbath denies the OT ceremony was a shadow, and ignores the true object which the shadow represents “a perpetual rest in Christ by ceasing from ourselves”.
JoBernard12oxen 10 months ago
@queenrage1 Look at how insincerely Heb.4:11 is handled. Its said that the “that rest" points to a sabbath rest from vs 10. Verse 10 is not talking about a sabbath rest. But the real proof of what kind of rest vs 11 is talking about comes in vs 12-16 it says “for” meaning its taking from the verse before, speaking of our conduct as a child of God, holding fast our profession and coming boldly to the throne of grace; all of which can be done, and involves ceasing from our own works “as God did”.
JoBernard12oxen 10 months ago
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What a FAB Sabbath day today...Praise the Lord of the eternal Sabbath*-*
1978dagreat 11 months ago
people need to wake up.... the sabbath wont get anyone to heaven... people dont realise that the Catholic Chruch wants people to join the Sda Church, we need to understand the Spirutual warfare... the bigger the institution the easier the people to control.... people better just undestand the powers of 666... it is far reaching.. maybe you dont know it controls Moslems as well... well see how religions will gell to form the biggest persecuting power the world has ever seen... just watch..
hrhjudy 11 months ago
@hrhjudy
I agree with one of your statements, keeping the 4th commandment--and all of them--do not justify nor save us; we are saved by grace through faith. Ephesians 2:8.
"Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin." Rom 3:20
Keeping his commandments do not save us, rather the function of His commandments is to tell us what constitutes sin. Breaking a commandment=sin, for "sin is transgression of the law". 1 John 3:4
Nirky 11 months ago
@hrhjudy
So how do the saved, who are saved only by grace--a living faith in Jesus' sacrifice of His death in their stead--ACT? Now that they have been justified by faith, and only faith, do they return to their lifestyles of sin-breaking His law, His Ten Commandments? Or do they instead walk in the newness of life, being forgiven totally for their past sins, walking with Jesus, walking just as Jesus walked?
Nirky 11 months ago 2
@hrhjudy
"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life." Rom 6:1-4
Nirky 11 months ago 4
@hrhjudy
It was our sins--our breaking of His Ten Commandments--which caused the death of Jesus on the Cross. Our sins also killed us, we died with Jesus. v4. Paul asks the rhetorical question, saved only by Jesus' grace, how much longer can we go back to our old sinful lifestyle? The answer is, we can't, and expect His grace to cover us.
Nirky 11 months ago 16
@Nirky the promise of a savior had been given wayyyyyy before the ten commandments gen;3;15 JESUS was the LAMB slain before the foundation of the world
patriotsfan1379 10 months ago
@Nirky the promise of a savior had been given wayyyyyy before the ten commandments gen;3;15 JESUS was the LAMB slain before the foundation of the world
patriotsfan1379 10 months ago
@patriotsfan1379
Indeed, the need for the Savior was at the very beginning, because Adam SINNED (Rom 5:12). So sin was in the world far before God gave His law to Israel at Mt. Sinai.
But what exactly is "sin" anyways?
"Sin is transgression of the law." 1 Jn 3:4.
So if sin existed back in Eden, there also had to be a law, because "for where there is no law there is no transgression." Rom 4:15.
Nirky 10 months ago
@Nirky AGAIN WE are not saved by keeping the law otherwise faith is useles n grace would not be necessary again I you will never be saved by keeping the sabath because even in the sabath we constantly sin
patriotsfan1379 10 months ago
@patriotsfan1379
We are justified ONLY by faith in His righteousness, not by anything we do. Read Romans ch 4.
The function of His Commandments is not to save, but to show what constitutes sin.
I am not justified by keeping His Commandments, I keep them because it is His will that I not live in sin. What does breaking His Commandments say about His grace? He died for our sins, they killed Him. We died too. How much longer can we go on breaking His law and expect His grace to cover us?
Nirky 10 months ago
@patriotsfan1379
But which law, that has been in effect since man has existed, tells us what constitutes "sin", both back then & now, after the Cross?
"I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.” Rom 7:7
Paul, who also told us where there is no law there can be no sin, and that all men have sinned, identifies the law which defines what constitutes "sin" as God's Ten Commandments. See also James 2:11.
Nirky 10 months ago
@Nirky IF YOU BREAK one of the commandments you are guilty of them all !!! SO!!!! who has never lusred or taken theLORDS name in vain why try to keep 1 commandment while breaking the rst for we are saved by grace through faith that not of yourselves it is a gift not of worksSO THAT NO ONE MAY BOAST what you boasting on the sabath?
patriotsfan1379 10 months ago
@patriotsfan1379
"Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law." James 2:11
If you murder, it is sin, you have transgressed God's law.
Therefore, what is James' conclusion about keeping God's law, to not worry about transgressing it, or to not transgress it?
"So SPEAK and so DO as those who will be judged by the law of liberty." James 2:12
James says speak & do according to His law of liberty, the Ten Commandments, not to SIN.
Nirky 10 months ago
@patriotsfan1379
That's right we are saved ONLY by His grace (Eph 2:8), we can only be righteous by having His righteousness imputed to us by FAITH in Him, unto salvation. Romans ch4. This is His grace. In contrast, His law functions differently:
"Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin." Rom 3:20
Nirky 10 months ago
@Nirky so don't tell me that if I don't wrship on saturday am not justified for we are justified by faith not works
patriotsfan1379 10 months ago
@patriotsfan1379
We are justified ONLY by faith in His righteousness, not by anything we do. Read Romans ch 4.
Nirky 10 months ago
@Nirky i already read it but you still want to be justified by keeping the law of sabath?????
patriotsfan1379 10 months ago
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@patriotsfan1379
"If you love Me, keep My Commandments." John 14:15
Nirky 10 months ago
@patriotsfan1379
Keeping His Commandments cannot justify us, because we have already ALL sinned, all have fallen short of His glory (Rom 3:23), we ALL need a Savior. But His Commandments do tell us what constitutes sin. Why is knowing what constitutes sin vitally important, since we are saved ONLY by grace through faith?
Nirky 10 months ago
@patriotsfan1379
"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?" Rom 6:1-2
Sin, our sin, killed Jesus, and it killed us too. Paul asks the rhetorical question, saved only by His grace, can we continue to live a sinful lifestyle and expect His grace to cover us? We cannot. Those who have been justified by faith and saved by His grace walk in a newness of life, a lifestyle opposite of sin.
Nirky 10 months ago
@Nirky and to the one who does not work but believes in him who justyfies the ungodly his faith is counted as righteousness keeping the sabath will not save anyone
patriotsfan1379 10 months ago