Lovely! (Though Schoenberg would object...) The music perfectly expresses the vague, misty, eerie, feelings of the text, and the choreography only adds to it! Its obviously not meant to be taken literally for the most part. The choreography is just vague enough to obstruct the music. The singer could be louder in certain parts though...
i am really impressed with the art direction in this production. you guys just got yourselves a new fan. just saw a performance of this last night, followed by a jazz composer's adaptation based on themes from selected movements; so it was on my brain~~this is really the sort of thing i'd always hoped someone would do with this piece! kudos!
The only way to consider this sh!t music or even a composition, it`s to fill the critic with absurd comments. I know you Iam an ignorant....... hahaha, surely many will thing you are great music gurus.......
El pensamiento de la heroina detiene el tiempo, la lleva a descubrir el secreto de lo que redacta. Es una carta de amor es la cuestion mas importante o simplemente el amor de una dama que coquetea, desprecia, rie y sueña con su amado...
I like atonal music in small doses and like it when romantic or impressionist sounding works incorporate atonal moments in them. To me it's an important modern garnish to create just the right amount of that disconnected feeling in a piece so that you can be reintegrated and appreciate a lush section that's approaching. It's like a cherry on a big sundae. I appreciate it, even love certain parts, but this is a bucket of cherries.
You're so cute! This music is nearly 100 years old, and still people want to act like old fuddy duddies every time they're confronted by post-tonal fare. It's kind of sweet in a way.
I don't understand how anyone who really knows 20th century music can make a remark like yours. I'm a professional musician, and I've premiered and performed hundreds of 20th century works. True, there have been some I don't like, but there are far more that I find engaging, compelling, worthwhile, and even beautiful. I respect that not all music is for everyone, but do you really mean to eliminate Bartok, Stravinsky, Prokofiev, Britten, and Copland, to name only a few?
I probably hyperbolized in my statement. Certainly Copland and Bernstein, among others were exceptions. I respect that you're a musician, but let's remember that music is intended for the general public. I think that most "non-musical" citizens dislike this type of music. Someone would a vast knowledge of music theory would find this music fascinating. But aesthetically, the music fails.
This is absolute genius - certainly not the SAME as the great Mozarts, Bachs, Beethovens, or Wagners, but most certainly just as genius. Being a composer myself, I know that to master this composition technique is akin to mastery of classical technique. This technique is all about nuance and attention to tonal and rhythmic detail. It is creativity at its height. For anyone confused about the music itself, its beauty is that it doesn't give you a "fun" melody to follow - it is raw sentiment.
It's gratifying to see appreciation expressed for this great work, a work which was so important to music that its instrument combo (flute, clarinet, violin, cello, piano) has become known in musical circles as a "Pierrot combination." However, I can't agree with your "raw sentiment" comment. True, there is sentiment. But the piece is meticulously put together, mathematically at times. No. 18, "Der Mondfleck," for ex., is a musical palindrome. For me, there is more "raw" feeling in Mozart!
What for you makes this one of the greatest pieces of all time? Is it just that it is very Avant - guard, it is hardly pleasant to listen to, or is it in your opinion? The reason I ask is I am doing it for GCSE music and totally perplexed by Schoenburg's music, and indeed his later works of Serialism and other composers of the 2nd viennese school. i think knowing what people like about it will lead me to understand it better.
try listening to his six little piano pieces. I think they demonstrate what can be achieved with atonality much better than this.
Also it depends on the context. If you jump straight from Romanticism to this it's baffling. Listen to 'salome' or 'verkarte nacht' to bridge the gap a bit.
first, try to accept that some people really do like this kind of music (myself included). to us, it is not "hardly pleasant to listen to," but rather beautiful, moving, etc. it is not an academic exercise, but very human art.
once you understand that, try listening again, with open ears and no expectations. the music is not tonal and is not based on diatonic scales or major/minor triads, so don't listen for any. the more you listen, the more you will hear, and (i think) the more you will love!
Nobody's expected to like such a radically different style to what they're accustomed if they haven't been familiarised with it. Also, how does one attempt to quantify merit in ANY art, music, etc? The simple truth is that you might be loving Schoenberg's music in a week, a decade, or maybe never, but you never know unless you keep an open mind and ear.
It's simple: imagine you're watching a movie but paying close attention to the soundtrack. Most people are not aware that they are already avid listeners to "modern" music. The visual is enhanced by the musical in the case of a movie, but I think the key thing is that we listen to a soundtrack without any preconceptions, and this is how we should listen to music at all times. We cannot appreciate a piece by Schoenberg wishing it sounded like Beethoven or Mozart.
what amazes me is the time this was written...and still, almost 100 years later, in the 21st century you have people saying this is "straight up freaky weird" and "the worst/scarriest thing I've ever seen". Schoenberg changed the face of music but it is yet to be totally accepted by mainstream musical society. Does anyone consider, maybe this is *supposed* to be freaky and weird?
I do think that this is supposed to be a little on the cabaret side of music, still not totally embraced. All one has to do is look listen to any 12-tone piece of music to know that Schoenberg was a little on the eccentric side. Plus, he came out of the expressionist movement. Those guys are just kind of wierd.
Blair Thomas is an always changing and always experimenting puppet theatre designer. The costumes were designed by Tatjana Radisic which are also beautifully and appropriately shaped to the world of this piece. The style of puppetry employed to manipulate the lifesized puppet takes so much coordination I really don't think you can just focus on criticizing whether or not the music "sounds good to you" to determine if the whole thing is shit or genius. There are a lot more things going on.
Clever piece my ass.. This song is straight up freaky weird and I bet half of you serialism connoisseurs could even understand half of the what the lady is singing. I'd rather listen to Beethoven or Mozart..
yes thats the point. expressionism dude, its like picasso - his paintings are intended to be ugly as well ;) hes famous, schönberg actually is not :P well thats life
Actually, in most contemporary music circles, Schoenberg is probably among the top five most important and famous composers of the 20th century. The man was a revolutionary.
I just mean it's a song cycle, not an opera or a theatre piece. and as far as catering for the everyday audience, that seems to be outside the spirit of the modernist tradition.
I guess what would make a snob like me happy would be for the 'everyday audience' to see a performance of a commedia show featuring pierrot, than with that understanding see a performance of the song cycle. picky, huh?
this performance makes a mockery of schoenberg's original performance instruction. The music is intended to be interesting enough without the vocalist trivializing it with cheap theatrics. thats egotistical directors for you.
this song gave me the chills the first time I heard it! It was the first time I realized music can REALLY affect the way you feel, even if you don't actually FEEL the music you're hearing...
For the singer there is only ONE (maybe two!) actual sung pitches written in this score. The rest is sprechstimme. So, I must state that singer is right on the money with her "singing". The interpretation is out of this world. It's a most difficult score. Thanks for the posting!
The interpretation isn't the greatest and the singer doesn't exactly get all the notes correct (but that last is given the difficulty of the intervals, so I won't emphasize that much), but it's an interesting document nonetheless.
You have the entire thing? Because it would be interesting to see the rest of it.
How else do I, at the bottom tip of Africa, get to see "Pierrot Lunaire" which i am learnign to love except through this this video. Thank you! I loveher half moon faceand the excellent musicianship
Schoenberg remains one of the top five composers in the entire Western Canon.
Easleytee 3 months ago
Lucy Shelton is a Diva!
blackmask1313 5 months ago
Lovely! (Though Schoenberg would object...) The music perfectly expresses the vague, misty, eerie, feelings of the text, and the choreography only adds to it! Its obviously not meant to be taken literally for the most part. The choreography is just vague enough to obstruct the music. The singer could be louder in certain parts though...
coolguy9610 1 year ago
i am really impressed with the art direction in this production. you guys just got yourselves a new fan. just saw a performance of this last night, followed by a jazz composer's adaptation based on themes from selected movements; so it was on my brain~~this is really the sort of thing i'd always hoped someone would do with this piece! kudos!
Anomylos 1 year ago
I just sniffed two tubes of glue and I still don't get it. I'll try some gas later.
dodaman22 1 year ago 2
The only way to consider this sh!t music or even a composition, it`s to fill the critic with absurd comments. I know you Iam an ignorant....... hahaha, surely many will thing you are great music gurus.......
titobarria 1 year ago
Excellent, engaging production, thanks for sharing this!
emeboteerf 1 year ago
I usually don't like Schoenberg's work and generally I hate opera, but this is too bizarre for me not to like.
blackdeathgrind 2 years ago
the whole suite is excellent
atonal music is not my usual thing either nut Pierrot Lunaire is unusally charismatic
IndustrialLeper 1 year ago
El pensamiento de la heroina detiene el tiempo, la lleva a descubrir el secreto de lo que redacta. Es una carta de amor es la cuestion mas importante o simplemente el amor de una dama que coquetea, desprecia, rie y sueña con su amado...
jeredeleon 2 years ago
I like atonal music in small doses and like it when romantic or impressionist sounding works incorporate atonal moments in them. To me it's an important modern garnish to create just the right amount of that disconnected feeling in a piece so that you can be reintegrated and appreciate a lush section that's approaching. It's like a cherry on a big sundae. I appreciate it, even love certain parts, but this is a bucket of cherries.
ydracomagusy 2 years ago
Lucy Shelton is great in this! And what a production!
MrsMusicScene 2 years ago
20th century classical music, eith the exception of a few Impressionist pieces, is absolute garbage.
ros375 2 years ago
You're so cute! This music is nearly 100 years old, and still people want to act like old fuddy duddies every time they're confronted by post-tonal fare. It's kind of sweet in a way.
MrsMusicScene 2 years ago 3
The age of the piece has no significance. Once garbage, always garbage.
ros375 2 years ago
I don't understand how anyone who really knows 20th century music can make a remark like yours. I'm a professional musician, and I've premiered and performed hundreds of 20th century works. True, there have been some I don't like, but there are far more that I find engaging, compelling, worthwhile, and even beautiful. I respect that not all music is for everyone, but do you really mean to eliminate Bartok, Stravinsky, Prokofiev, Britten, and Copland, to name only a few?
alanrkay 2 years ago
I probably hyperbolized in my statement. Certainly Copland and Bernstein, among others were exceptions. I respect that you're a musician, but let's remember that music is intended for the general public. I think that most "non-musical" citizens dislike this type of music. Someone would a vast knowledge of music theory would find this music fascinating. But aesthetically, the music fails.
ros375 2 years ago
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alanrkay 2 years ago
This is absolute genius - certainly not the SAME as the great Mozarts, Bachs, Beethovens, or Wagners, but most certainly just as genius. Being a composer myself, I know that to master this composition technique is akin to mastery of classical technique. This technique is all about nuance and attention to tonal and rhythmic detail. It is creativity at its height. For anyone confused about the music itself, its beauty is that it doesn't give you a "fun" melody to follow - it is raw sentiment.
totallyclassic411 2 years ago
It's gratifying to see appreciation expressed for this great work, a work which was so important to music that its instrument combo (flute, clarinet, violin, cello, piano) has become known in musical circles as a "Pierrot combination." However, I can't agree with your "raw sentiment" comment. True, there is sentiment. But the piece is meticulously put together, mathematically at times. No. 18, "Der Mondfleck," for ex., is a musical palindrome. For me, there is more "raw" feeling in Mozart!
alanrkay 2 years ago
(comments directed at bear393 and StevenShields29 respectively)
murraytaylor123 2 years ago
What the fuck is this shit? I still remember the first time I saw it performed. I busted out laughing.
Thank God that worthless, dead-end carcass called twelve-tone technique is dead and buried. Good riddance!
StevenShields29 2 years ago
What a ridiculous thing to say. If you had any clue about music you'd know that 12-tone technique wasn't invented until years after this was written.
murraytaylor123 2 years ago
What for you makes this one of the greatest pieces of all time? Is it just that it is very Avant - guard, it is hardly pleasant to listen to, or is it in your opinion? The reason I ask is I am doing it for GCSE music and totally perplexed by Schoenburg's music, and indeed his later works of Serialism and other composers of the 2nd viennese school. i think knowing what people like about it will lead me to understand it better.
please reply,
cheers
bear393 2 years ago
try listening to his six little piano pieces. I think they demonstrate what can be achieved with atonality much better than this.
Also it depends on the context. If you jump straight from Romanticism to this it's baffling. Listen to 'salome' or 'verkarte nacht' to bridge the gap a bit.
hungrydave1977 2 years ago
first, try to accept that some people really do like this kind of music (myself included). to us, it is not "hardly pleasant to listen to," but rather beautiful, moving, etc. it is not an academic exercise, but very human art.
once you understand that, try listening again, with open ears and no expectations. the music is not tonal and is not based on diatonic scales or major/minor triads, so don't listen for any. the more you listen, the more you will hear, and (i think) the more you will love!
peterkennethsloan 2 years ago
Nobody's expected to like such a radically different style to what they're accustomed if they haven't been familiarised with it. Also, how does one attempt to quantify merit in ANY art, music, etc? The simple truth is that you might be loving Schoenberg's music in a week, a decade, or maybe never, but you never know unless you keep an open mind and ear.
murraytaylor123 2 years ago
It's simple: imagine you're watching a movie but paying close attention to the soundtrack. Most people are not aware that they are already avid listeners to "modern" music. The visual is enhanced by the musical in the case of a movie, but I think the key thing is that we listen to a soundtrack without any preconceptions, and this is how we should listen to music at all times. We cannot appreciate a piece by Schoenberg wishing it sounded like Beethoven or Mozart.
alanrkay 2 years ago
i dont know what to make of it. i almost cant bear to listen to it.
bear393 2 years ago
don't just "listen," feel it as well
vivacelife 2 years ago
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this music sucks dick
bcarman14 2 years ago
Hermoso
(^.^)
LapidalGrial 3 years ago 2
what amazes me is the time this was written...and still, almost 100 years later, in the 21st century you have people saying this is "straight up freaky weird" and "the worst/scarriest thing I've ever seen". Schoenberg changed the face of music but it is yet to be totally accepted by mainstream musical society. Does anyone consider, maybe this is *supposed* to be freaky and weird?
DougYfunnie 3 years ago 13
I do think that this is supposed to be a little on the cabaret side of music, still not totally embraced. All one has to do is look listen to any 12-tone piece of music to know that Schoenberg was a little on the eccentric side. Plus, he came out of the expressionist movement. Those guys are just kind of wierd.
josuabrown 2 years ago
@DougYfunnie Well, it's about insanity, and sometimes insanity is freaky and weird; especially for the people going through it.
MissGirlMisa 9 months ago
Blair Thomas is an always changing and always experimenting puppet theatre designer. The costumes were designed by Tatjana Radisic which are also beautifully and appropriately shaped to the world of this piece. The style of puppetry employed to manipulate the lifesized puppet takes so much coordination I really don't think you can just focus on criticizing whether or not the music "sounds good to you" to determine if the whole thing is shit or genius. There are a lot more things going on.
lucychinen 3 years ago
Clever piece my ass.. This song is straight up freaky weird and I bet half of you serialism connoisseurs could even understand half of the what the lady is singing. I'd rather listen to Beethoven or Mozart..
teo829 3 years ago
This is the worst/scarriest thing I've ever seen. If someone dropped acid before seeing this, it would be all over for that guy.
ShipsAreBurned 3 years ago
well... plz dont say anything about wrong terms im used to the german ones ;)
Sherendor 3 years ago
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Are you people deaf or totally insane!? This is so unbelievably terrible I want to pull out my ears and eat them.
Mr9n 3 years ago
It's actually supposed to sound like this, a brilliantly devised atonal work. It's not supposed to be easy on your ears.
asdlkjfgh536 3 years ago
It's supposed to sound terrible eh?
Mr9n 3 years ago 2
yes thats the point. expressionism dude, its like picasso - his paintings are intended to be ugly as well ;) hes famous, schönberg actually is not :P well thats life
Sherendor 3 years ago
Actually, in most contemporary music circles, Schoenberg is probably among the top five most important and famous composers of the 20th century. The man was a revolutionary.
crazyeinsteinhair 3 years ago
sure, but hes far away from being as well-known as picasso in public :D
Sherendor 3 years ago
comparing Picasso and Schoenberg is like comparing a fish sandwich with a potato salad.
Phoenix3568 2 years ago 2
at least, i like to eat both ^^
Sherendor 2 years ago
Simply brilliant!
Himinbrjotr 3 years ago 8
My great uncle Otto Erich Hartleben translated this from the
original french poem by Albert Giraud
in to German, rewriting parts that academics
and literature critics
said improved it.
N6NZE 3 years ago
sometimes its good for music to contain only ugliness
Viperplayer187 3 years ago
Love it! So clever! Bravo! More please!
Euphobia1 3 years ago
Those crazy Germans!
GM1111111 3 years ago
Excellent production, congratulations! I'd love to see it live. Great memory work done on the instrumentalists. Bravo!
gorgiax 3 years ago 4
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ugh. this is AWFUL.
mfischer1 3 years ago
Yup. Life's too short.
elkodos 3 years ago
if you studied serialism, i can garantee your opinion would change. it's the most amazing music to study ever.
rosiebamb 3 years ago
Thats my idea of hell.
mfischer1 3 years ago
Your production is so interesting! which recording of Pierrot is the best ? I want buy cd.
blakchol 3 years ago
The commedia link makes a fair enough point.
I just mean it's a song cycle, not an opera or a theatre piece. and as far as catering for the everyday audience, that seems to be outside the spirit of the modernist tradition.
I guess what would make a snob like me happy would be for the 'everyday audience' to see a performance of a commedia show featuring pierrot, than with that understanding see a performance of the song cycle. picky, huh?
tombei 3 years ago
This is great! Never seen a production before :D
54spiritedwill54 3 years ago
I simply adore this piece. WEll done. Last saw it Sadler Wells.
phddddd 3 years ago
this performance makes a mockery of schoenberg's original performance instruction. The music is intended to be interesting enough without the vocalist trivializing it with cheap theatrics. thats egotistical directors for you.
tombei 4 years ago
Word.
chickenringNYC 4 years ago
Yeah.. but pierrot lunaire is all about cheap theatrics.
simnos1 3 years ago
this song gave me the chills the first time I heard it! It was the first time I realized music can REALLY affect the way you feel, even if you don't actually FEEL the music you're hearing...
DerekM8690 4 years ago
That's unbelievable! Playing this music off by heart!!!
larryrael 4 years ago
BWAHAHAHAHAHHAA!!
Nimuseel 4 years ago
For the singer there is only ONE (maybe two!) actual sung pitches written in this score. The rest is sprechstimme. So, I must state that singer is right on the money with her "singing". The interpretation is out of this world. It's a most difficult score. Thanks for the posting!
stevenwryan 4 years ago 2
psychodelic xD
Stormbringer123321 4 years ago
I'm very impressed by the musicians playing without scores. I'd very much like to see this work performed.
ColonelColostomy 4 years ago
the musicians playng WITH scores. All sounds are In scores
rafaelmvs 4 years ago
You know, most musicians play by memory outside of classical and sometimes jazz contexts . . .
abyssalservant 4 years ago
Well, duh. I meant I'm particularly impressed with this because it's a very complicated score.
ColonelColostomy 4 years ago
True. But examine people like Meshuggah, Behold . . The Arctopus and so for more memorized complications.
I personally find it a lot easier to play stuff by memory - if I've memorized it, I've practiced it that much more.
abyssalservant 4 years ago
I've only ever seen it as a ballet, so isn't it a bit late to say it doesn't need theatrics?
blackbluetiger 3 years ago
The interpretation isn't the greatest and the singer doesn't exactly get all the notes correct (but that last is given the difficulty of the intervals, so I won't emphasize that much), but it's an interesting document nonetheless.
You have the entire thing? Because it would be interesting to see the rest of it.
HerrWozzeck 4 years ago
Shoenberg!!! I LOVE this! This mans music is so under-rated.
drbenwaymd 4 years ago
viva shoenberg, non-musician people cant understand...
jeromes1913 4 years ago
How else do I, at the bottom tip of Africa, get to see "Pierrot Lunaire" which i am learnign to love except through this this video. Thank you! I loveher half moon faceand the excellent musicianship
christopherwildman 5 years ago
This is amazing. Thanks for posting this! I'm going to use it in my Music History class tomorrow.
harell2005 5 years ago
Schoenberg rocks!
Bolender 5 years ago
oh, what i would give to see your o alter duft in its entirety
wesleyan97 5 years ago
This is great! Never seen a production before!
qwe07 5 years ago
Sweet! The best Lunaire I've ever seen!
danielsan151 5 years ago