awolLDSasap, makes you wonder why there are over 4,000 "Christian" Churches in America... right? I mean, there's one Bible, so why can 4,000 churches profess to believe it and disagree with each other????
Interesting that Mormons sure defend the lack of evidence for the book of Mormon lands and say that they need no proof, but faith, however when i went to the SLC viisitor center, they sure used alot of physical teaching tools, if there were any BOM proof they would shove it down our throats and all Mormons KNOW it, There is NO real proof that is why there is no evidence, it is easy to pull a scripture from the bible and say it applies.
Thank you for posting the video of the Christ presentation on the temple. This is inspiring and uplifting even though you intended it to take people away from the faith.
The mormon church twists Biblical verse. At the beginning the voice of Jesus said he created all things in heaven and earth. Oops, Mormons don't believe that he created Satan. Mormons think that Christ is Satans brother.
@lindalds Do you know how humanistic that sounds? The infinite creator was never lucifer or Satans brother. Minicing words? Have you accepted Satans plan, believing that men can become Gods? Eat the fruit.
@lindalds Did God create robots that would never sin, or did he give his creations the ability to chose? Lucifer chose, and his pride ruled. There are many gods, but only 1 God with 3 distinct parts. The Father is not the Son and the Holy Ghost is not the Father.
@lindalds You have been taught that God is physical, that he cannot create matter and his glory is intelligence. Those ideas came from a small brain. He created both matter and intelligence.
@lindalds I will break the news and repeat again. No one has seen the Father at any time. He is spirit. The Word, the Mediator the Christ has been seen. God created all things including truth and the light.
@lindalds It's not my opinion. The Word created everything, the planets, stars, light and life. Take some time and think about the angel of light molded into a gold idol on top of the temples.
@awolLDSasap And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
@lindalds This everlasting gospel is NOT what Joseph invented. It was given to the saints ONCE. We have had discussion for over a year now and I think it's about time for you to re-read the New Testament, Daniel and Isaiah. The key words and phrases used often in the church have been stolen from the Jews. Look closely at the verse. Every last one of them you have coined to prove the lds church is true, is referring to the Jews and Jerusalem. Where would you like to start? Isaiah?
@awolLDSasap So, ONCE and that was it? From now on, figure it out for yourselves?
I DO read the Bible. I don't coin anything to prove anything, I can't, and neither can you. It just makes me sigh that people like you seem to think that ALL we Mormons have to do is JUST READ THE BIBLE! and we will just SEE that "the Mormon church" is so WRONG!! But, for me, and for many many Mormon "converts" I've talked to, it's just the opposite.
@lindalds In the beginning, the church rejected the JST as fake. God most certainly had nothing to do with the changes. John stated very clearly that anyone who changed any words of Rev. would have their name removed from the book of life. There is NO grey area in Revelation 22:18-19. You either believe what God has said, or you don't. According to Rev. you are following a guy who never made it to heaven.
@lindalds You think God changed the words in Revelation? Lets begin with a test for a prophet. You know what the Bible says about just 1 false prophecy. You can't excuse Josephs false prophecies. His prophecies failed, so he never spoke for God.
@awolLDSasap What he cannot do is to say that God said something when he knows darn good and well that God did not say it. Just because YOU BELIEVE that God didn't say it does not mean that it was "false prophecy".
@lindalds I can think of a false prophecy. David Patten died, remember? This prophecy failed. You can't apologize for a work David was supposed to do in this life. The temple wasn't never built. That makes 2.
@awolLDSasap That was not a prophecy! It was a command for David to get his affairs in order, so that he COULD go no a mission, not that He WOULD go on a mission.
@awolLDSasap How do you know it failed? How do you know that David didn't get all his affairs in order? Because that's what the command was, to get his business affairs in order. The fact that he didn't go on a mission was not his fault.
@lindalds You can't pin the blame on the almighty. He doesn't make mistakes, men do. When Joseph uses "Behold or verily, verily", he is speaking for God and it is prophecy. I also noticed in section 84 that John the baptist was baptized and confirmed by an angel. That is a blatant LIE. HE FAILED AT PROPHECY.
@awolLDSasap How can something be prophecy when nothing was prophecied? If you have NO prophecy, then it can't be false, OR true. There is a difference between prophecy and revelation. A prophecy can be a revelation but not all revelations are prophecies.
@lindalds Parsing words again. When God reveals something to a prophet it's called a revealtion. When the prophet turns the revelation over to the people it's called a prophecy.
@lindalds Trying to redefine Josephs prophecies is complete nonsense. The place and time David Pattens mission assignment was going to happen in the future. Joseph used the Lords voice, and that is a prophecy.
@awolLDSasap I'm not redefining anything. It does NOT say that he WOULD go on a mission. It says get your affairs in order so you CAN go on a mission. It says clearly it's a COMMAND.
@lindalds Did you know that Jesus once spoke a prophecy about how Judas and the other 11 Apostles would sit on thrones in heaven and judge the nations? But apparently Jesus' prophecy failed since Judas became a traitor instead. I wonder if that makes Jesus a false prophet in the eyes of people like AWOL?
@ImLDSRU2 The Bible warn against "Religions" based on "revelations" brought by "angels" that add or teach "other ways" to heaven than simply believing in the only One who died for all of our sins on the Cross and was raised from the dead (to prove there is life in Heaven ... and Hell)
@mumswording, No, the Bible does not warn against religions based upon revelations. In fact the Bible teaches that the Gospel includes revelations and visits by angels. And the LDS beliefs do not add or teach other ways, they teach the same things taught by Jesus, the Apostles and the great Patriarchs of ancient times.
@ImLDSRU2 The bible teaches even satan can appear as a angel of light. The bible is clear, christ is god. He is the only way to salvation. The Mormon Jesus is the brother of Lucifer, and according to LDS teaching, he married several of the Marys of the New Testament. He is not, to the LDS church, "God incarnate" as the Bible plainly states. Clearly, the Mormon god and Jesus are not the true.
@mumswording Yes, that is what the Bible teaches. But not all angels of light are satan. And so you know, Mormons believe that Christ is God, the only way to Salvation. According to Mormon theology Christ is NOT the brother of Lucifer and according to Mormon theology, we do not know if he was married but there is no good evidence that he was. Jesus, the real Jesus, leads the Mormon Church.
@ImLDSRU2 You believe God the Father has a body of flesh and bones (D. & C. 130:22) and that Jesus is a creation. It teaches that he was begotten in heaven as one of God’s spirit children (See the Book, Jesus the Christ, by James Talmage, p. 8). This is in strict contrast to the biblical teaching that he is God in flesh (John 1:1, 14), eternal (John 1:1, 2, 15), uncreated, yet born on earth (Col. 1:15), and the creator all (John 1:3; Col. 1;16-17).
@mumswording Yes, I believe God the Father has a body of flesh and bones. However, I do not think that Jesus is a "creation" and there are no official LDS Doctrines that say Jesus was a creation. Official Mormon doctrine does Not say that Jesus was a creation. Page 8 of Jesus the Christ does NOT say Jesus nor anyone was "begotten" in Heaven. We believe that Jesus is the *only* begotten son of God and we do not believe he was created.
@ImLDSRU2 Jesus cannot be both created and not created at the same time. Though Mormonism teaches that Jesus is God in flesh, it teaches that he is "a" god in flesh, one of three gods that comprise the office of the Trinity (Articles of Faith, by Talmage, pp. 35-40). These three gods are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. This is in direct contradiction of the biblical doctrine that there is only one God (Isaiah 44:6,8; 45:5).
@mumswording You need to be aware, that the book "Mormon Doctrine" does not necessarily contain actual doctrine of the Mormon Church. It is the personal and private interpretation of one man. If you want to discuss official Mormon Doctrine, you need to quote official statements by the Church.
@ImLDSRU2 I ll give you something more. Show me the gold plates. Mormons say the Word of God in the bible and torah was corrupted and yet you want me to listen to a book written by man? The bible is clear. If any person comes teaching something OTHER than what is in the bible and torah they are anti christ. 1 timothy 6:3
@ImLDSRU2 Mormonism teaches that somewhere in eternity past God and his wife first existed as mortals on a different earth, overseen by their Heavenly Father and Mother. This mortal couple died, received resurrected bodies, & eventually achieved godhood. Then procreated the millions of spirit children that would be sent to this earth as mortals.
@mumswording Continued...Thus God is part of an eternal chain of gods procreating spirit children for different worlds. Joseph Smith preached:
God himself, was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!...it is necessary we should understand the character and being of God and how He came to be so; for I am going to tell you how God came to be God. (History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 305)
@mumswording LDS Pres. Joseph F. Smith wrote: Among the spirit children of Elohim the firstborn was & is Jehovah or Jesus Christ to whom all others are juniors .... There is no impropriety, therefore, in speaking of Jesus Christ as the elder BROTHER of the rest of humankind.... Let it not be forgotten, however, that He is essentially greater than any and all others by reason (1) of His seniority as the oldest or FIRSTBORN;; (Improvement Era, vol. 19, pp. 941-942, June 30, 1916)
@mumswording Nothing you have quoted says anything about whether Jesus is eternal or not. If you believe that Mormons teach Jesus is not eternal, you really should come up with an actual teaching that says "Jesus is not eternal".
@ImLDSRU2 Do you believe that God has a Literal immortal Body of Flesh and Bone and that his first begotten spirit child is Jesus? Do you believe that God really lives on a planet Kolab? Do you also believe that Christs atonement is not total? Then you dont believe in the true christ. Lets not forget that Jesus according to you is the only god for THIS Earth. He s not the only true god because you believe he was a human who lived on another planet and became God. True or False
@mumswording Absolutely we believe that. He was born of Mary, was wrapped in swaddling clothing, was circumcised, grew up and grew in favor with God and man, was apparently a carpenter or a stone mason, and when he was about 30 years old, he was baptized to fulfill all righteousness, then he went about doing good and preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven at hand. He was crucified and bled and died, but has since been resurrected to Glory and sits on the right hand of God.
@mumswording We believe Jesus is human. He was born of Mary, and is the "Son of Man". Human. Yet, according to Scripture, He was a Man Who thought it not robbery to be considered equal with God. This is "human".
As for another planet, we are sure that there are other Planets, and we believe some of them have inhabitants. We believe Jesus is Lord of those planets also and we suppose that if He wants to, He can visit them at will. But we do not know if He has done so.
@ImLDSRU2 So you believe that Christ and the father are not 1, correct?
My question is not just are their other planets. LDS doctrine says Christ was once a human man who earned Godhood. LDS doctrine also says that man can become Gods and Godesses ( Gospel Principles, 1997. Chapter 47 “Exaltation )
@mumswording Well, we do not believe that they are one entity or one person. We do believe that they are one in the same way that Jesus and the Apostles are one.
Yes, we believe that Jesus was once a human man -- he was born of the virgin Mary. However, He did not "earn" Godhood, He was God before He was born. That is official Mormon Doctrine.
@ImLDSRU2 Okay. Problem: The Christian view of God is that he is a Trinity. One essence w/ 3 persons. Yaweh said to Moses " I am God, and their is NO other. I am God and their is none like me." For you to believe in 2 seperate Gods is a belief in polygamy. As mormon doctrine states their are many gods on many planets. Since this contradicts scripture, you believe in a very different God than the Christian God. Thus are not a Christian.
@ImLDSRU2 What makes a person a Christian is that they repented of their sins, and believe in Christ as the eternal living GOD. The trinity is not a new christian thought. Its found in the Torah and writings of the jewish prophets. Just saying that you follow the teachings of Christ make you a better person but NOT a true Christian. Also the teachings OF Christ were clear. He and the Father were 1, Christ said he was the Son of Man. This is a old testament claim to b divine.
@mumswording Well, *IF* that is what makes a Christian then I am a Christian because I have repented of my sins and believe in Christ as the Eternal Living GOD. However, I would point out to you that your definition of what makes a Christian is an extra-biblical belief. It is something you have invented that is not in the Bible.
@ImLDSRU2 Certain doctrine must be accepted to be a Christian. Believeing that elohim came down from planet kolab and had sex with Mary to create Jesus is not one of them. LDS believes that God is only the God for this planet. LDS believes that the god of this planet was once a man on another planet and by leading a good life became a god himself. U hope to lead a good life and become a God yourself one day do you not?
@mumswording God declared through Isaiah, "And understand that I am He. BEFORE ME WAS NO GOD FORMED, NOR SHALL THERE BE AFTER ME. I, even, I am the LORD, And besides Me there is no savior" (Isaiah 43:10,11). Also look at (Deut 4:35; 6:4; 2Sam 7:22; Isa 44:6,8; 46:9).
@mumswording Open your eyes to the deception you face. GOD has warned you about any who teach a Different Jesus, a Different Spirit, or a Different Gospel. Galatians 1:6-9, Romans 16:17, 2 Corinthians 11:3-4
These verses all warn christians that if ANY person teaches something different than what was already given DO NOT LISTEN. The Bible says that even Satan can appear as a angel of light. Soo put 2 & 2 together & you have a good reason to re evaluate LDS
@ImLDSRU2 Wrong. You have not answered anything yet. Do you believe that You can become a God? If you answer yes you have just proved you are NOT worshiping the God of the bible. Its very Clear. GOD revealed through scripture he is the one and ONLY God. None before NONE WILL COME AFTER. Leave that false religion and worship the one true GOD.
@mumswording Why should I have to answer to someone who does not know the Bible and contrary to the instructions of Jesus -- judges other people, and worse, judges them on standards that are hypocritical?
Aren't you afraid of what Jesus is going to do to you since you have disobeyed his command not to judge other people?
@ImLDSRU2 First of all The bible COMMANDS ME TO JUDGE. Yes it says judge not lest ye be judged then keep reading for another couple verses. Its says first take the log out of your eye then take the speck out of your brothers. The log is out of my eye! Im not judging hypocritically. Im judging using RIGHTOUS JUDGEMENT. The way Im commanded to do. Scripture says to Test all the spirits. So answer. Do you believe you can become a GOD? The bible says Yaweh is the ONE & ONLY GOD FOREVER
@mumswording You misread the bible to justify your sins. Jesus was not saying you were allowed to take HIS Place in the judgement seat and judge other people's destinies. Until you figure this out, the beam will be in your eye. And you won't even know it.
@ImLDSRU2 Im not taking his place. Im showing you the truth. You believe you can become a GOD yet Scripture says their is only 1 GOD for all and for all eternity. Christ is the Alpha and Omega. The FIRST and the LAST. Man is a creation and thats it. Until you deny your polytheistic belief you are not a Christian. Its very simple.
@ImLDSRU2 More like you will say lord, did I not prophecie in your name? All he ll say is Depart from me you worker of inequity. I NEVER KNEW YOU. Christ is the one and ONLY God of the past, present and future. Man is just a creation of his that will never be a God. Maroni was a demon according to the scriptures. IF any added to or changed the Gospel they are antichrist.
@mumswording There is no reason for me to say that.
Seems you just cannot talk about me without lying. This is because the truth is not in you. You are filled with darkness.. and you lie about it constantly.
@ImLDSRU2 thanks for showing your lack of biblical scripture knowledge. That was a quote out of the bible. You should read that chapter. Its about people who THINK they are saved but are not. Its about people who think they are christians but are not clothed in rightousness. In all fairness most catholics are in the same boat. Do you really believe that you can become a God on another planet? Can you prove it through scripture or only through a faliable man?
@ImLDSRU2 After death when u face the ONE and ONLY almighty GOD you will say what? That you re a christian? That you believe hes your brother? That you believe you deserve to be a GOD too? The point is you believe in a false doctrine. Why is it you wont answer the question? The reason is you know its not biblical and will lead you to polygamy. You are not a christian. Christianity is a MONOTHEISTIC relgion while LDS is POLYTHEISTIC.
@ImLDSRU2 When did I lie? You re the one who keeps telling lies. What I said was a example. You say you are a Christian but you are decieved. I never said you DID say anything. I said you WILL BE SAYING.... This whole time Ive been trying to get you to admit what you believe in. U ve tried to changed the subject constantly. Why? Are you ashamed? U wont have to be ashamed if u come back to true christianity. Prove you re not ashamed of LDS & answer. Do u believe U can become a GOD?
@mumswording I have already pointed out your lies to you. I pointed them out at the time you told the lies. You ignored it. Now you want to claim you didn't lie. Its another lie.
@ImLDSRU2 wow..... You re making up things to avoid admiting that the basis of your false religion is wrong. When I make an example you twist it so you can run away. For the past week all I ve asked of you is to admit what you believe to be true. Why havent you admited that you believe you can become a GOD yet?
How about this question:
How many GODS are there? 1? 2? 3? TONS? DING DING DING! The right answer is you believe in multiple gods.
@ImLDSRU2 hahaha!! WOW!! Once again you type back avoiding to state your belief. The scripture is very clear. Their is only 1 GOD. The Alpha & Omega the creator and the ONLY BEING that can be called a G O D.
The fact that you have not answered the question is proof that you are ashamed of your Mormon belief in Polygamy. You dont believe in a GOD you believe in G-o-d-s.... You are NOT a Christian.
@mumswording Just more lies. I will not be reading more than the first line of your posts from this point forward as you are a completely unrepentant liar and full of darkness.
@mumswording Yes, I would say that we believe similarly to C.S. Lewis, that great Christian Convert and Apologist who wrote: "It is a serious thing to live in a society of possible gods and goddesses, to remember that the dullest and most uninteresting person you talk to may one day be a creature which, if you saw it now, you would be strongly tempted to worship"
@mumswording Uhmmm.. no. That is not what "Mormonism" teaches. Some is what some Mormons believe, but it is not something taught nor is is official doctrine.
If you have questions about what Mormons really teach, I will be pleased to answer as you do not seem to know the truth of the matter.
@mumswording ...Mormons do not teach that Jesus "married several of the Marys of the New Testament". I've heard it speculated about on occasion, but it is not LDS doctrine. Also, your lack of knowledge of LDS doctrine is showing. Keep in mind that "God" is a title, not a proper noun (though some use it as such). LDS believe that God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost are "one God". And I agree with you that Jesus is the only way to salvation. All Mormons believe that.
@JediLDS Jesus of Mormonism is NOT eternal along side the Father and the Spirit. See Isaiah 48:16:
Mormonism says: Jesus &Satan, like the rest of us, were spirit brothers & sons of God before the spirit of Jesus was given a body by Mary in Bethlehem. The Mormon "Book of Moses" presents Satan and Jesus as contending for the privilege of taking a body of flesh in order to become the redeemer, w/ Jesus winning the contest. [See Joseph Smith, Pearl of Great Price, Book of Moses 4:1-4.]
@mumswording Galatians 1:6-9says; "I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called U into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble U, & would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach ANY other gospel unto U than that which we have preached unto U, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto U than ye have received, let him be accursed."
@awolLDSasap Also, sec. 84 says "28 For he was baptized while he was yet in his childhood, and was ordained by the angel of God at the time he was eight days old unto this power..." Now, when he was eight, as with all good hebrew children, he was circumcised. Now, as far as I can tell, there is nothing in the Bible that says this isn't true.
@lindalds Luke 3:15-18. "The people were waiting expectantly and were all wondering in their hearts if John might possibly be the Christ. John answered them all, "I baptize you with water. But one more powerful than I will come, the thongs of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire. His winnowing fork is in his hand to clear his threshing floor and to gather the wheat into his barn, but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."
@lindalds The everlasting gospel has been preached to almost every people in every country and this gospel of Christ has nothing to do with Mormon doctrine.
@lindalds Lucifer was created by God. It was Lucifers own pride and jelousy of God that created Satan. Everything that God creates is Good. It is of our own accord it becomes tainted
@lindalds Sorry bud. I only believe scripture that was "net sal" God breathed. The story of lucifer is clear in the Torah. All the sudden its changed to sprit brother of Christ. Somthings fishy
It even says in the bible that once we go to heaven, we'll ALL be a family. There is no such thing as eternal marriage or eternal family (since we're all technically related and in heaven, our human forms won't be there).
i dont know bout the satan being the brother of Jesus but hey if yall get the True doctrine God would use you mightely yall got sum zeal really and your nice people. i just hope ya get sum Christian guidance. like the Bible says if they were of us they would have stayed among us but since they were not of us they went out preaching false doctrines of men. you guys and galls got heart
The LDS promote a false gospel and this video just shows how far they miss the mark. Even going as far as to offer "eternal famlies" as a draw card to the faith... Rather than the Biblical Gospel of showing sinners a need for a savior and preaching repentance and faith towards Jesus Christ!
ummmmm.....maybe I missed the mark but how did this video not show a preaching of repentance and faith towards jesus christ? Everyone looks at a statue of him and listen to a recording of some of his own words out of the Bible....hmmm.
@gord1921 Old but important. The lds church does not worship Christ. They only reverence him. The mantra of the church is obedience to law and to perform ordinance that were never mentioned by Jesus at any time. Jesus said he NEVER taught any secrets in the temple or the synagogues.
@lindalds Many things taught but not written? Fine, but there are NO secret things. Jhn 18:20 Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.
The secret things in the temple were taken from Masonry.
@awolLDSasap No, there were no secrets, but He also didn't tell everyone everything. Then, as now, there were people who just don't understand, and can't have the whole thing. Remember, some of His teachings He did thru parables, because some COULDN"T understand.
@lindalds You either believe Christ, or you don't. His parables are clear to anyone reading the gospel in context, which is faith in Christ, and Gods free gift of grace is eternal life to live WITH Him. The word of God is sufficient. We don't need additional doctrines that change the original. Obedience to religious leaders and paying for His grace is another gospel.
@awolLDSasap We believe Christ. Yes, His parables ARE clear. Yes, the WORD OF GOD is sufficient. We don't have additional doctrines, that GOD Himself did not add.
What you are saying to me is, YOUR way is right, MY way is wrong. That is your humble opinion. No more, no less.
@lindalds lds doctrine claims that only through obedience to laws and ordinances a person can live with God. The New Testament says that Jesus is the only way. Feelings are deceiving you.
@awolLDSasap How does the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints not worship Christ? All of those sayings during the presentations were quotes from the Bible from Jesus Himself. I could do nothing without Jesus Christ. He is my Savior and He has changed me. I worship Him and adore Him.
@gord1921 You only reverence a guy named Jesus, who is your premortal spirit brother and was exalted into Godhood. The Christ of the Bible is the infinite Word, Mediator, Creator and God. Some day you will want to be in the presense of the Lord, and He will say, "I don't know you". You have believed in many Gods and have been drawn to another gospel.
@lindalds Don't believe me. Believe what His word says...... Peter said Pauls writings are scripture and from God. There are many infalable proofs. All the apostles were eye witnesses, the word of life was manifest. Jesus was seen 40 days and taught the kingdom of God. John said these things were written that you might believe, and it is sufficient for you to believe.
linda........ All scripture is given by "God breathed". God magnifies his word above his own name. His word is pure. His word will be preserved from generation to generation. It cannot be altered without discovery. He is a shield. Do not add to his word or be rebuked by God and be found a liar.
@awolLDSasap There are 12, "only 12 apostles to represent the 12 tribes of Israel". The names of the 12 tribes were written in the Urim and Thumim, 6 in each stone, and the 12 apostles names representing the 12 tribes will be written in the foundation of heaven. There are NO MORE apostles. Jesus is our prophet until the end days when He will select 2 new prophets to anounce His return.
@awolLDSasap No, only in teh context of those who have lived a noble life of a follower of Jesus Christ. So, what ever talk about men, it IS part of the worship of
@lindalds A new scripture cannot contradict the first. Deu 13:1 "If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer...., and he gives you a sign or a wonder, 2 and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, 'Let us go after other gods'--which you have not known-- (Like exalted men) 3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet.... :
@lindalds More proof tearing down Josephs deceit. Isa 43:10.. that I [am] he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. Psa 90:2 .. from everlasting to everlasting, thou [art] God. Lk 23:39 (and a spirit does not have flesh and bones.) How can you read the Bible and defend Joseph?
@awolLDSasap You still have not shown how THE BIBLE is all of God's word we are ever going to get, or that THE BIBLE is perfect, infallible or complete.
@lindalds Jesus was seen 40 days and taught the kingdom of God. John said these things were written that you might believe, and IT IS SUFFICIENT for you to believe. All scripture is given by "God breathed". God magnifies his word above his own name. His word is pure. His word will be preserved from generation to generation. It CANNOT BE ALTERED WITHOUT DISCOVERY. He is a shield. Do not add to change his word or be rebuked by God and be found a liar.
I am grateful to have learned the True Gospel from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
ImLDSRU2 8 months ago
FYI: This wasn't taken inside a Mormon temple, but in what Mormons call a "visitor's center" next to the temple.
JediLDS 1 year ago
Iglesia moderna... Mormones...
antifrituras 1 year ago
This is WEIRD, and idolisim.......
Pandalady366 1 year ago
1 corinthians 15:1-4, I'm glad you posted that, because THAT IS the Gospel WE preach.
lindalds 1 year ago
WHERE are Jesus' temple garments ? OHHHHH ! thats right ! Jesus is not a MORmON !
settypatch 1 year ago
Wow seems like no one is there. In SLC it's packed!!!
MormonChick22 1 year ago
awolLDSasap, makes you wonder why there are over 4,000 "Christian" Churches in America... right? I mean, there's one Bible, so why can 4,000 churches profess to believe it and disagree with each other????
thebowstaff 2 years ago
I was hoping to see something right out of the book of Revelation with the false image speaking.
mossybob77 2 years ago
Interesting that Mormons sure defend the lack of evidence for the book of Mormon lands and say that they need no proof, but faith, however when i went to the SLC viisitor center, they sure used alot of physical teaching tools, if there were any BOM proof they would shove it down our throats and all Mormons KNOW it, There is NO real proof that is why there is no evidence, it is easy to pull a scripture from the bible and say it applies.
nashaunconwell 2 years ago
Thank you for posting the video of the Christ presentation on the temple. This is inspiring and uplifting even though you intended it to take people away from the faith.
symphonyofdissent 2 years ago 2
The mormon church twists Biblical verse. At the beginning the voice of Jesus said he created all things in heaven and earth. Oops, Mormons don't believe that he created Satan. Mormons think that Christ is Satans brother.
awolLDSasap 2 years ago
@awolLDSasap SATAN was created, in a way, because Lucifer was not always Satan.
Satan is evil, right?
So, either Jesus is the brother of evil (and remember, family can be disowned)
OR
Jesus created Satan, which means Jesus CREATED EVIL!
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds Do you know how humanistic that sounds? The infinite creator was never lucifer or Satans brother. Minicing words? Have you accepted Satans plan, believing that men can become Gods? Eat the fruit.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap did the infinite creator create Satan? Thereby creating evil? to me, that's worse than being able to disown a black sheep family member.
Satan's plan was not that we can become gods, it was that HE would be BETTER than God.
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds No, God created robots so there wouldn't be any evil. duh. See how far Mormonism has taken you away from reality?
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap huh?
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds Did God create robots that would never sin, or did he give his creations the ability to chose? Lucifer chose, and his pride ruled. There are many gods, but only 1 God with 3 distinct parts. The Father is not the Son and the Holy Ghost is not the Father.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap Yes, we are all given the freedom to choose.
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds You have been taught that God is physical, that he cannot create matter and his glory is intelligence. Those ideas came from a small brain. He created both matter and intelligence.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap Heavenly Father has a corporeal body of flesh and bone.
who said He cannot create matter?
The 93rd sec. of the D&C says The glory of God is intelligence, or, in other words, light and truth.
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds I will break the news and repeat again. No one has seen the Father at any time. He is spirit. The Word, the Mediator the Christ has been seen. God created all things including truth and the light.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap In Your Humble Opinion.
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds It's not my opinion. The Word created everything, the planets, stars, light and life. Take some time and think about the angel of light molded into a gold idol on top of the temples.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Sounds good to me. What's the problem?
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds This everlasting gospel is NOT what Joseph invented. It was given to the saints ONCE. We have had discussion for over a year now and I think it's about time for you to re-read the New Testament, Daniel and Isaiah. The key words and phrases used often in the church have been stolen from the Jews. Look closely at the verse. Every last one of them you have coined to prove the lds church is true, is referring to the Jews and Jerusalem. Where would you like to start? Isaiah?
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap So, ONCE and that was it? From now on, figure it out for yourselves?
I DO read the Bible. I don't coin anything to prove anything, I can't, and neither can you. It just makes me sigh that people like you seem to think that ALL we Mormons have to do is JUST READ THE BIBLE! and we will just SEE that "the Mormon church" is so WRONG!! But, for me, and for many many Mormon "converts" I've talked to, it's just the opposite.
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds If you have read the Bible, where did the grace of God flee to? You wear Mormon doctrine glasses when you read it.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap God's grace is right there for us. We didn't do anything with it, except accept it.
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds Did I mention the Joseph Smith translation of the book of Revelation? He inserted and removed words, and has been judged accordingly.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap We don't use the JST as official scripture. Besides, HE didn't insert or remove anything that God didn't tell Him to.
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds In the beginning, the church rejected the JST as fake. God most certainly had nothing to do with the changes. John stated very clearly that anyone who changed any words of Rev. would have their name removed from the book of life. There is NO grey area in Revelation 22:18-19. You either believe what God has said, or you don't. According to Rev. you are following a guy who never made it to heaven.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap John stated very clearly that if MAN (not God) ADDED (not clarified) what John wrote, their name would be removed.
I DO believe what GOD said. That does not mean that I believe what YOU SAY God said.
So, do I follow Joseph Smith's interpretation or yours? (hint: God never told me that you are His prophet).
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds Don' let your feelings influence the facts and truth.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap I believe they are all one and the same thing.
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds You think God changed the words in Revelation? Lets begin with a test for a prophet. You know what the Bible says about just 1 false prophecy. You can't excuse Josephs false prophecies. His prophecies failed, so he never spoke for God.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap A. What DOES the Bible say about 1 false prophecy?
B. What false prophecies did Joseph make?
C. God didn't change anything in Revelation that should not have been changed.
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds A prophet cannot make any mistakes when he is speaking for God. You can't rationalize a prophecy. It's either correct or false.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap What he cannot do is to say that God said something when he knows darn good and well that God did not say it. Just because YOU BELIEVE that God didn't say it does not mean that it was "false prophecy".
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds I can think of a false prophecy. David Patten died, remember? This prophecy failed. You can't apologize for a work David was supposed to do in this life. The temple wasn't never built. That makes 2.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap That was not a prophecy! It was a command for David to get his affairs in order, so that he COULD go no a mission, not that He WOULD go on a mission.
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds It's no longer a prophecy? How convenient. It was in the beginning.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap No, it was NEVER prophecy. Read it carefully. It's a COMMAND.
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds A command from who? It sounds like the command came from God.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap Yes, the command came from God.
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds And the command failed. Joseph failed.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap How do you know it failed? How do you know that David didn't get all his affairs in order? Because that's what the command was, to get his business affairs in order. The fact that he didn't go on a mission was not his fault.
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds Right. I've also heard that David filled his mission in the spirit world. You can twist around many ways.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap Be that as it may, it's NOT a false prophecy. That was the original argument.
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds You can't pin the blame on the almighty. He doesn't make mistakes, men do. When Joseph uses "Behold or verily, verily", he is speaking for God and it is prophecy. I also noticed in section 84 that John the baptist was baptized and confirmed by an angel. That is a blatant LIE. HE FAILED AT PROPHECY.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap How can something be prophecy when nothing was prophecied? If you have NO prophecy, then it can't be false, OR true. There is a difference between prophecy and revelation. A prophecy can be a revelation but not all revelations are prophecies.
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds Parsing words again. When God reveals something to a prophet it's called a revealtion. When the prophet turns the revelation over to the people it's called a prophecy.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap No, a prophecy is a forth telling of some event. Like, "This is going to happen (especially if you do such and such)".
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds Trying to redefine Josephs prophecies is complete nonsense. The place and time David Pattens mission assignment was going to happen in the future. Joseph used the Lords voice, and that is a prophecy.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap I'm not redefining anything. It does NOT say that he WOULD go on a mission. It says get your affairs in order so you CAN go on a mission. It says clearly it's a COMMAND.
so, if anyone is redefining anything, it's you.
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds Did you know that Jesus once spoke a prophecy about how Judas and the other 11 Apostles would sit on thrones in heaven and judge the nations? But apparently Jesus' prophecy failed since Judas became a traitor instead. I wonder if that makes Jesus a false prophet in the eyes of people like AWOL?
ImLDSRU2 1 year ago
@ImLDSRU2 He also told them that they would see the second coming, also.
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds oops, that goes to the dept of redundancy dept!
lindalds 1 year ago
@ImLDSRU2 The Bible warn against "Religions" based on "revelations" brought by "angels" that add or teach "other ways" to heaven than simply believing in the only One who died for all of our sins on the Cross and was raised from the dead (to prove there is life in Heaven ... and Hell)
mumswording 1 year ago
@mumswording Are you referring to Galatians 1:8? Because that's not what it is saying.
lindalds 1 year ago
@mumswording, No, the Bible does not warn against religions based upon revelations. In fact the Bible teaches that the Gospel includes revelations and visits by angels. And the LDS beliefs do not add or teach other ways, they teach the same things taught by Jesus, the Apostles and the great Patriarchs of ancient times.
ImLDSRU2 1 year ago
@ImLDSRU2 The bible teaches even satan can appear as a angel of light. The bible is clear, christ is god. He is the only way to salvation. The Mormon Jesus is the brother of Lucifer, and according to LDS teaching, he married several of the Marys of the New Testament. He is not, to the LDS church, "God incarnate" as the Bible plainly states. Clearly, the Mormon god and Jesus are not the true.
mumswording 1 year ago
@mumswording Yes, that is what the Bible teaches. But not all angels of light are satan. And so you know, Mormons believe that Christ is God, the only way to Salvation. According to Mormon theology Christ is NOT the brother of Lucifer and according to Mormon theology, we do not know if he was married but there is no good evidence that he was. Jesus, the real Jesus, leads the Mormon Church.
ImLDSRU2 1 year ago
@ImLDSRU2 You believe God the Father has a body of flesh and bones (D. & C. 130:22) and that Jesus is a creation. It teaches that he was begotten in heaven as one of God’s spirit children (See the Book, Jesus the Christ, by James Talmage, p. 8). This is in strict contrast to the biblical teaching that he is God in flesh (John 1:1, 14), eternal (John 1:1, 2, 15), uncreated, yet born on earth (Col. 1:15), and the creator all (John 1:3; Col. 1;16-17).
mumswording 1 year ago
@mumswording Yes, I believe God the Father has a body of flesh and bones. However, I do not think that Jesus is a "creation" and there are no official LDS Doctrines that say Jesus was a creation. Official Mormon doctrine does Not say that Jesus was a creation. Page 8 of Jesus the Christ does NOT say Jesus nor anyone was "begotten" in Heaven. We believe that Jesus is the *only* begotten son of God and we do not believe he was created.
ImLDSRU2 1 year ago
@ImLDSRU2 Jesus cannot be both created and not created at the same time. Though Mormonism teaches that Jesus is God in flesh, it teaches that he is "a" god in flesh, one of three gods that comprise the office of the Trinity (Articles of Faith, by Talmage, pp. 35-40). These three gods are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. This is in direct contradiction of the biblical doctrine that there is only one God (Isaiah 44:6,8; 45:5).
mumswording 1 year ago
@ImLDSRU2
A.The Devil was born as a spirit after Jesus "in the morning of pre-existence," (Mormon Doctrine, p. 192).
B.Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers and we were all born as siblings in heaven to them both, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163).
mumswording 1 year ago
@mumswording You need to be aware, that the book "Mormon Doctrine" does not necessarily contain actual doctrine of the Mormon Church. It is the personal and private interpretation of one man. If you want to discuss official Mormon Doctrine, you need to quote official statements by the Church.
ImLDSRU2 1 year ago
@ImLDSRU2 I ll give you something more. Show me the gold plates. Mormons say the Word of God in the bible and torah was corrupted and yet you want me to listen to a book written by man? The bible is clear. If any person comes teaching something OTHER than what is in the bible and torah they are anti christ. 1 timothy 6:3
mumswording 1 year ago
@mumswording Uhhh.. you said you were going to give me something more. Then you asked me to give you something.
You are a really really confused person. In addition, you do not know the Bible very well.
ImLDSRU2 1 year ago
@ImLDSRU2 Mormonism teaches that somewhere in eternity past God and his wife first existed as mortals on a different earth, overseen by their Heavenly Father and Mother. This mortal couple died, received resurrected bodies, & eventually achieved godhood. Then procreated the millions of spirit children that would be sent to this earth as mortals.
mumswording 1 year ago
@mumswording Continued...Thus God is part of an eternal chain of gods procreating spirit children for different worlds. Joseph Smith preached:
God himself, was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!...it is necessary we should understand the character and being of God and how He came to be so; for I am going to tell you how God came to be God. (History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 305)
mumswording 1 year ago
@mumswording LDS Pres. Joseph F. Smith wrote: Among the spirit children of Elohim the firstborn was & is Jehovah or Jesus Christ to whom all others are juniors .... There is no impropriety, therefore, in speaking of Jesus Christ as the elder BROTHER of the rest of humankind.... Let it not be forgotten, however, that He is essentially greater than any and all others by reason (1) of His seniority as the oldest or FIRSTBORN;; (Improvement Era, vol. 19, pp. 941-942, June 30, 1916)
mumswording 1 year ago
@mumswording Yep, that is what Joseph F. Smith taught and I agree it.
ImLDSRU2 1 year ago
@mumswording Nothing you have quoted says anything about whether Jesus is eternal or not. If you believe that Mormons teach Jesus is not eternal, you really should come up with an actual teaching that says "Jesus is not eternal".
ImLDSRU2 1 year ago
@ImLDSRU2 Do you believe that God has a Literal immortal Body of Flesh and Bone and that his first begotten spirit child is Jesus? Do you believe that God really lives on a planet Kolab? Do you also believe that Christs atonement is not total? Then you dont believe in the true christ. Lets not forget that Jesus according to you is the only god for THIS Earth. He s not the only true god because you believe he was a human who lived on another planet and became God. True or False
mumswording 1 year ago
@mumswording Instead of asking me what I believe, Ask instead, what is official LDS Doctrine. That would be more to your point.
ImLDSRU2 1 year ago
@mumswording Also try asking one specific thing at a time.
ImLDSRU2 1 year ago
@ImLDSRU2 Does LDS believe that Christ was once a human man?
mumswording 1 year ago
@mumswording Absolutely we believe that. He was born of Mary, was wrapped in swaddling clothing, was circumcised, grew up and grew in favor with God and man, was apparently a carpenter or a stone mason, and when he was about 30 years old, he was baptized to fulfill all righteousness, then he went about doing good and preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven at hand. He was crucified and bled and died, but has since been resurrected to Glory and sits on the right hand of God.
ImLDSRU2 1 year ago
@ImLDSRU2 Let me specify. A human man on another planet?
mumswording 1 year ago
@mumswording We believe Jesus is human. He was born of Mary, and is the "Son of Man". Human. Yet, according to Scripture, He was a Man Who thought it not robbery to be considered equal with God. This is "human".
As for another planet, we are sure that there are other Planets, and we believe some of them have inhabitants. We believe Jesus is Lord of those planets also and we suppose that if He wants to, He can visit them at will. But we do not know if He has done so.
ImLDSRU2 1 year ago
@ImLDSRU2 So you believe that Christ and the father are not 1, correct?
My question is not just are their other planets. LDS doctrine says Christ was once a human man who earned Godhood. LDS doctrine also says that man can become Gods and Godesses ( Gospel Principles, 1997. Chapter 47 “Exaltation )
mumswording 11 months ago
@mumswording Well, we do not believe that they are one entity or one person. We do believe that they are one in the same way that Jesus and the Apostles are one.
Yes, we believe that Jesus was once a human man -- he was born of the virgin Mary. However, He did not "earn" Godhood, He was God before He was born. That is official Mormon Doctrine.
ImLDSRU2 11 months ago
@ImLDSRU2 Okay. Problem: The Christian view of God is that he is a Trinity. One essence w/ 3 persons. Yaweh said to Moses " I am God, and their is NO other. I am God and their is none like me." For you to believe in 2 seperate Gods is a belief in polygamy. As mormon doctrine states their are many gods on many planets. Since this contradicts scripture, you believe in a very different God than the Christian God. Thus are not a Christian.
mumswording 11 months ago
@mumswording A better way of saying that is that "Many Christians subscribe to the creedal doctrines of the Trinity formulated about 300 to 500AD".
I would agree with that. Some do subscribe to that view of God. But there are many Christians who do not. Jesus does not appear to have taught it.
More importantly though, there is no where in the Bible where it says "You must believe in the Trinity or you are not a Christian".
Your belief on this is extra-biblical.
ImLDSRU2 11 months ago
@ImLDSRU2 What makes a person a Christian is that they repented of their sins, and believe in Christ as the eternal living GOD. The trinity is not a new christian thought. Its found in the Torah and writings of the jewish prophets. Just saying that you follow the teachings of Christ make you a better person but NOT a true Christian. Also the teachings OF Christ were clear. He and the Father were 1, Christ said he was the Son of Man. This is a old testament claim to b divine.
mumswording 11 months ago
@mumswording Well, *IF* that is what makes a Christian then I am a Christian because I have repented of my sins and believe in Christ as the Eternal Living GOD. However, I would point out to you that your definition of what makes a Christian is an extra-biblical belief. It is something you have invented that is not in the Bible.
ImLDSRU2 11 months ago
@ImLDSRU2 Certain doctrine must be accepted to be a Christian. Believeing that elohim came down from planet kolab and had sex with Mary to create Jesus is not one of them. LDS believes that God is only the God for this planet. LDS believes that the god of this planet was once a man on another planet and by leading a good life became a god himself. U hope to lead a good life and become a God yourself one day do you not?
mumswording 11 months ago
@mumswording God declared through Isaiah, "And understand that I am He. BEFORE ME WAS NO GOD FORMED, NOR SHALL THERE BE AFTER ME. I, even, I am the LORD, And besides Me there is no savior" (Isaiah 43:10,11). Also look at (Deut 4:35; 6:4; 2Sam 7:22; Isa 44:6,8; 46:9).
mumswording 11 months ago
@mumswording Open your eyes to the deception you face. GOD has warned you about any who teach a Different Jesus, a Different Spirit, or a Different Gospel. Galatians 1:6-9, Romans 16:17, 2 Corinthians 11:3-4
These verses all warn christians that if ANY person teaches something different than what was already given DO NOT LISTEN. The Bible says that even Satan can appear as a angel of light. Soo put 2 & 2 together & you have a good reason to re evaluate LDS
mumswording 11 months ago
@mumswording That certain doctrine must be accepted to be a Christian is an extra-biblical belief. Your Christianity ... is not Biblical.
ImLDSRU2 11 months ago
@ImLDSRU2 Wrong. You have not answered anything yet. Do you believe that You can become a God? If you answer yes you have just proved you are NOT worshiping the God of the bible. Its very Clear. GOD revealed through scripture he is the one and ONLY God. None before NONE WILL COME AFTER. Leave that false religion and worship the one true GOD.
mumswording 11 months ago
@mumswording Why should I have to answer to someone who does not know the Bible and contrary to the instructions of Jesus -- judges other people, and worse, judges them on standards that are hypocritical?
Aren't you afraid of what Jesus is going to do to you since you have disobeyed his command not to judge other people?
ImLDSRU2 11 months ago
@ImLDSRU2 First of all The bible COMMANDS ME TO JUDGE. Yes it says judge not lest ye be judged then keep reading for another couple verses. Its says first take the log out of your eye then take the speck out of your brothers. The log is out of my eye! Im not judging hypocritically. Im judging using RIGHTOUS JUDGEMENT. The way Im commanded to do. Scripture says to Test all the spirits. So answer. Do you believe you can become a GOD? The bible says Yaweh is the ONE & ONLY GOD FOREVER
mumswording 11 months ago
@mumswording You misread the bible to justify your sins. Jesus was not saying you were allowed to take HIS Place in the judgement seat and judge other people's destinies. Until you figure this out, the beam will be in your eye. And you won't even know it.
ImLDSRU2 11 months ago
@ImLDSRU2 Im not taking his place. Im showing you the truth. You believe you can become a GOD yet Scripture says their is only 1 GOD for all and for all eternity. Christ is the Alpha and Omega. The FIRST and the LAST. Man is a creation and thats it. Until you deny your polytheistic belief you are not a Christian. Its very simple.
mumswording 11 months ago
@mumswording Yes, you take the place of Christ when you sit on his judgment throne and judge other human beings about their salvation and destiny.
Jesus spoke of people like you -- unfavorably.
ImLDSRU2 11 months ago
@ImLDSRU2 More like you will say lord, did I not prophecie in your name? All he ll say is Depart from me you worker of inequity. I NEVER KNEW YOU. Christ is the one and ONLY God of the past, present and future. Man is just a creation of his that will never be a God. Maroni was a demon according to the scriptures. IF any added to or changed the Gospel they are antichrist.
mumswording 11 months ago
@mumswording There is no reason for me to say that.
Seems you just cannot talk about me without lying. This is because the truth is not in you. You are filled with darkness.. and you lie about it constantly.
ImLDSRU2 11 months ago
@ImLDSRU2 thanks for showing your lack of biblical scripture knowledge. That was a quote out of the bible. You should read that chapter. Its about people who THINK they are saved but are not. Its about people who think they are christians but are not clothed in rightousness. In all fairness most catholics are in the same boat. Do you really believe that you can become a God on another planet? Can you prove it through scripture or only through a faliable man?
mumswording 11 months ago
@mumswording Yes, it was a quote out of the Bible and, as I said, you lied about me in applying it to me.
You are unable to say something without lying. You are filled with darkness. Truth is not in you.
ImLDSRU2 11 months ago
@ImLDSRU2 After death when u face the ONE and ONLY almighty GOD you will say what? That you re a christian? That you believe hes your brother? That you believe you deserve to be a GOD too? The point is you believe in a false doctrine. Why is it you wont answer the question? The reason is you know its not biblical and will lead you to polygamy. You are not a christian. Christianity is a MONOTHEISTIC relgion while LDS is POLYTHEISTIC.
mumswording 11 months ago
@mumswording That will be a very sacred moment, one that I will not discuss with someone who lies.
ImLDSRU2 11 months ago
@ImLDSRU2 When did I lie? You re the one who keeps telling lies. What I said was a example. You say you are a Christian but you are decieved. I never said you DID say anything. I said you WILL BE SAYING.... This whole time Ive been trying to get you to admit what you believe in. U ve tried to changed the subject constantly. Why? Are you ashamed? U wont have to be ashamed if u come back to true christianity. Prove you re not ashamed of LDS & answer. Do u believe U can become a GOD?
mumswording 11 months ago
@mumswording I have already pointed out your lies to you. I pointed them out at the time you told the lies. You ignored it. Now you want to claim you didn't lie. Its another lie.
ImLDSRU2 11 months ago
@ImLDSRU2 wow..... You re making up things to avoid admiting that the basis of your false religion is wrong. When I make an example you twist it so you can run away. For the past week all I ve asked of you is to admit what you believe to be true. Why havent you admited that you believe you can become a GOD yet?
How about this question:
How many GODS are there? 1? 2? 3? TONS? DING DING DING! The right answer is you believe in multiple gods.
Now write back saying i lie.
mumswording 11 months ago
@mumswording Now you are lying again. It never stops with you. How does anyone ever trust you about anything?
ImLDSRU2 11 months ago
@ImLDSRU2 UNREAL! You are the funniest mormon yet! ANSWER THE QUESTION ALREADY!
Dont try to change the subject. I cant believe all this time you cant type a simple Yes or NO. I ll make it even easier for you.
The mormon belief is that you can become a God by leading a good life on Earth. Do you Believe that this is TRUE.
Type Y for Yes
Type N for NO
Stop avoiding the question...Man up and answer.
mumswording 11 months ago
@mumswording I do not feel a compulsion to obey the commands of a liar.
ImLDSRU2 11 months ago
@ImLDSRU2 hahaha!! WOW!! Once again you type back avoiding to state your belief. The scripture is very clear. Their is only 1 GOD. The Alpha & Omega the creator and the ONLY BEING that can be called a G O D.
The fact that you have not answered the question is proof that you are ashamed of your Mormon belief in Polygamy. You dont believe in a GOD you believe in G-o-d-s.... You are NOT a Christian.
Let me be clear
CHRISTIANITY = MONOTHEISM
MORMON = POLYTHEISM
mumswording 11 months ago
@mumswording Just more lies. I will not be reading more than the first line of your posts from this point forward as you are a completely unrepentant liar and full of darkness.
ImLDSRU2 11 months ago
@ImLDSRU2 Dont get your magical undergarments in a bunch! Sidenote: How do mormons get to planet Kolab anyways?
mumswording 11 months ago
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@mumswording You are a liar.
ImLDSRU2 11 months ago
@mumswording Kolob is a star, not a planet. Read the 3rd chapter of Abraham in the Pearl of Great Price.
lindalds 10 months ago
@lindalds The pearl of great price. Uuuuh I dont remember that being in the Torah.
mumswording 10 months ago
@mumswording Was it supposed to be? In the Torah, I mean.
lindalds 10 months ago
@mumswording The actual real definition of A Christian is someone who follows the teachings of Jesus.
That is true, even if you do not like it.
ImLDSRU2 11 months ago
@mumswording Yes, I would say that we believe similarly to C.S. Lewis, that great Christian Convert and Apologist who wrote: "It is a serious thing to live in a society of possible gods and goddesses, to remember that the dullest and most uninteresting person you talk to may one day be a creature which, if you saw it now, you would be strongly tempted to worship"
ImLDSRU2 11 months ago
@mumswording Yes, that is what Joseph Smith taught, but that is not what you said below. What you said below is very different.
ImLDSRU2 1 year ago
@mumswording Uhmmm.. no. That is not what "Mormonism" teaches. Some is what some Mormons believe, but it is not something taught nor is is official doctrine.
If you have questions about what Mormons really teach, I will be pleased to answer as you do not seem to know the truth of the matter.
ImLDSRU2 1 year ago
@mumswording ...Mormons do not teach that Jesus "married several of the Marys of the New Testament". I've heard it speculated about on occasion, but it is not LDS doctrine. Also, your lack of knowledge of LDS doctrine is showing. Keep in mind that "God" is a title, not a proper noun (though some use it as such). LDS believe that God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost are "one God". And I agree with you that Jesus is the only way to salvation. All Mormons believe that.
JediLDS 1 year ago
@JediLDS Jesus of Mormonism is NOT eternal along side the Father and the Spirit. See Isaiah 48:16:
Mormonism says: Jesus &Satan, like the rest of us, were spirit brothers & sons of God before the spirit of Jesus was given a body by Mary in Bethlehem. The Mormon "Book of Moses" presents Satan and Jesus as contending for the privilege of taking a body of flesh in order to become the redeemer, w/ Jesus winning the contest. [See Joseph Smith, Pearl of Great Price, Book of Moses 4:1-4.]
mumswording 1 year ago
@mumswording Galatians 1:6-9says; "I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called U into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble U, & would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach ANY other gospel unto U than that which we have preached unto U, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto U than ye have received, let him be accursed."
mumswording 1 year ago
@mumswording You have spoken falsely. Jesus is eternal with the Father. That is official Mormon Doctrine.
ImLDSRU2 1 year ago
@mumswording ... I fail to see what that has to do with Jesus not being "eternal along side the Father and the Spirit".
JediLDS 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap Also, sec. 84 says "28 For he was baptized while he was yet in his childhood, and was ordained by the angel of God at the time he was eight days old unto this power..." Now, when he was eight, as with all good hebrew children, he was circumcised. Now, as far as I can tell, there is nothing in the Bible that says this isn't true.
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds I read that in the D&C. That was made up, "invented". John, cousin of Jesus was never baptized. Jesus never baptized anyone.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap There is baptisms that are not done by water. And it doesn't say that Jesus baptised anyone.
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds Jhn 4:2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap Where does anything say anywhere that Jesus DID baptize anyone?
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds John chapter 3 suggests that Jesus baptized at least early in his ministry.
ImLDSRU2 1 year ago
@lindalds Luke 3:15-18. "The people were waiting expectantly and were all wondering in their hearts if John might possibly be the Christ. John answered them all, "I baptize you with water. But one more powerful than I will come, the thongs of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire. His winnowing fork is in his hand to clear his threshing floor and to gather the wheat into his barn, but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."
mumswording 1 year ago
@lindalds The everlasting gospel has been preached to almost every people in every country and this gospel of Christ has nothing to do with Mormon doctrine.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@lindalds Lucifer was created by God. It was Lucifers own pride and jelousy of God that created Satan. Everything that God creates is Good. It is of our own accord it becomes tainted
mumswording 10 months ago
@mumswording We believe that Lucifer was a spirit "son" of our Heavenly FATHER just as all of us were. At least, family can be disowned.
lindalds 10 months ago
@lindalds Sorry bud. I only believe scripture that was "net sal" God breathed. The story of lucifer is clear in the Torah. All the sudden its changed to sprit brother of Christ. Somthings fishy
mumswording 10 months ago
@mumswording Or, IOW, you only believe what the majority accept as scripture.
And, it's spirit brother to EVERYONE. Not just Christ.
lindalds 10 months ago
It even says in the bible that once we go to heaven, we'll ALL be a family. There is no such thing as eternal marriage or eternal family (since we're all technically related and in heaven, our human forms won't be there).
bluebirdie92 3 years ago
i dont know bout the satan being the brother of Jesus but hey if yall get the True doctrine God would use you mightely yall got sum zeal really and your nice people. i just hope ya get sum Christian guidance. like the Bible says if they were of us they would have stayed among us but since they were not of us they went out preaching false doctrines of men. you guys and galls got heart
swippletip 3 years ago
The LDS promote a false gospel and this video just shows how far they miss the mark. Even going as far as to offer "eternal famlies" as a draw card to the faith... Rather than the Biblical Gospel of showing sinners a need for a savior and preaching repentance and faith towards Jesus Christ!
ReformedEvangelist 3 years ago
ummmmm.....maybe I missed the mark but how did this video not show a preaching of repentance and faith towards jesus christ? Everyone looks at a statue of him and listen to a recording of some of his own words out of the Bible....hmmm.
gord1921 3 years ago 7
@gord1921 Old but important. The lds church does not worship Christ. They only reverence him. The mantra of the church is obedience to law and to perform ordinance that were never mentioned by Jesus at any time. Jesus said he NEVER taught any secrets in the temple or the synagogues.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap Obedience to what law? We do NOT follow the Law of Moses, no more than any other Christian church.
Reverence IS worship. We worship Christ, but not the same way we worship the Father.
And at the end of the gospel of John it says TWICE that there were many things He taught that were not written down. Not by John anyway.
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds Many things taught but not written? Fine, but there are NO secret things. Jhn 18:20 Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.
The secret things in the temple were taken from Masonry.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap No, there were no secrets, but He also didn't tell everyone everything. Then, as now, there were people who just don't understand, and can't have the whole thing. Remember, some of His teachings He did thru parables, because some COULDN"T understand.
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds You either believe Christ, or you don't. His parables are clear to anyone reading the gospel in context, which is faith in Christ, and Gods free gift of grace is eternal life to live WITH Him. The word of God is sufficient. We don't need additional doctrines that change the original. Obedience to religious leaders and paying for His grace is another gospel.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap We believe Christ. Yes, His parables ARE clear. Yes, the WORD OF GOD is sufficient. We don't have additional doctrines, that GOD Himself did not add.
What you are saying to me is, YOUR way is right, MY way is wrong. That is your humble opinion. No more, no less.
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds The Bible is the last Word. Mormon doctrine presents another gospel.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap In Your Humble Opinion.
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds lds doctrine claims that only through obedience to laws and ordinances a person can live with God. The New Testament says that Jesus is the only way. Feelings are deceiving you.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap It's all right. Obedience to the laws and ordinances OF THE GOSPEL. Not the Law of Moses. That's what the New Testament says.
lindalds 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap How does the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints not worship Christ? All of those sayings during the presentations were quotes from the Bible from Jesus Himself. I could do nothing without Jesus Christ. He is my Savior and He has changed me. I worship Him and adore Him.
gord1921 1 year ago
@gord1921 You only reverence a guy named Jesus, who is your premortal spirit brother and was exalted into Godhood. The Christ of the Bible is the infinite Word, Mediator, Creator and God. Some day you will want to be in the presense of the Lord, and He will say, "I don't know you". You have believed in many Gods and have been drawn to another gospel.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap IOW, believe like awol or you're damned.
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds Don't believe me. Believe what His word says...... Peter said Pauls writings are scripture and from God. There are many infalable proofs. All the apostles were eye witnesses, the word of life was manifest. Jesus was seen 40 days and taught the kingdom of God. John said these things were written that you might believe, and it is sufficient for you to believe.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
linda........ All scripture is given by "God breathed". God magnifies his word above his own name. His word is pure. His word will be preserved from generation to generation. It cannot be altered without discovery. He is a shield. Do not add to his word or be rebuked by God and be found a liar.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap There are 12, "only 12 apostles to represent the 12 tribes of Israel". The names of the 12 tribes were written in the Urim and Thumim, 6 in each stone, and the 12 apostles names representing the 12 tribes will be written in the foundation of heaven. There are NO MORE apostles. Jesus is our prophet until the end days when He will select 2 new prophets to anounce His return.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap I don't know where you're getting this from the Bible.
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds 2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap Ever stop to think that this could be you, not us?
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds It's easy enough to clear up. Do your leaders talk about men and the church more than the worship of God?
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap No, only in teh context of those who have lived a noble life of a follower of Jesus Christ. So, what ever talk about men, it IS part of the worship of
God..
lindalds 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap You are right, HIS WORD, and ALL SCRIPTURE are what you say.
However, HIS WORD and ALL SCRIPTURE do not equal THE BIBLE and nothing else.
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds A new scripture cannot contradict the first. Deu 13:1 "If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer...., and he gives you a sign or a wonder, 2 and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, 'Let us go after other gods'--which you have not known-- (Like exalted men) 3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet.... :
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap Ah, you are giving me your interpretation of scripture, and saying that since we don't agree with YOU, we are wrong in the eyes of God.
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds I don't misinterpret God. He is infinite. There are NO OTHER Gods.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@lindalds More proof tearing down Josephs deceit. Isa 43:10.. that I [am] he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. Psa 90:2 .. from everlasting to everlasting, thou [art] God. Lk 23:39 (and a spirit does not have flesh and bones.) How can you read the Bible and defend Joseph?
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap Because I don't mis-interpret the Bible like you do.
lindalds 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap You still have not shown how THE BIBLE is all of God's word we are ever going to get, or that THE BIBLE is perfect, infallible or complete.
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds Jesus was seen 40 days and taught the kingdom of God. John said these things were written that you might believe, and IT IS SUFFICIENT for you to believe. All scripture is given by "God breathed". God magnifies his word above his own name. His word is pure. His word will be preserved from generation to generation. It CANNOT BE ALTERED WITHOUT DISCOVERY. He is a shield. Do not add to change his word or be rebuked by God and be found a liar.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago