Did Jesus of Nazareth Physically Rise From the Dead?( 3 of 6 )

[hoorano]

In the Greek language of the bible, it never say "anastasis" (resurrection). It states "egeiro" or "he is risen." The meaning o egeiro is not even close to resurrection. It seems that the context of "he is risen" has evolved into resurrection.

[lonehunter65]

@hoorano The belief that he rose from the dead does not only come from the statement "He is risen".

It is historically verified that Christ was crucified, buried by Joseph of Arimethea, tomb was found empty, he appeared to over 500 people, and the disciples believed despite predispositions to the contrary.

If jesus died, and then later appeared to people, we can assume he resurrected. The statement "he is risen" just validates it further. And im hesitant to accept your hermeneutics so easily.

[hoorano]

@lonehunter65 Since when assumption became facts? I guess it's safe to "assume" that if a theory is repeatedly stated as a fact because meaning fits the desired outcome. Personally, I believe that the truths and principles Jesus of Nazareth have been revived after his death. I believe in God and He can create images of resurrection, not actual resurrection. Even God can't break it's own rules of chemistry and physics.

[lonehunter65]

@hoorano Did you really just state that an all-powerful God CAN'T do something???

If God created the rules, then he can change them, I think that much should be obvious.

[hoorano]

@lonehunter65 Miracles do happen within the context and parameters of nature's laws. Jesus and others cured human of diseases or illness but He can't create zombies from dead people. Show me scientific proof of how God dramatically changed the physics and chemistry of anything.

Please don't proselytize to me of the miracles stated in the bible. I value the principles in the bible, but I don't take the bible literally. You can if you want to.

[lonehunter65]

@hoorano Jesus did raise someone from the dead....

If you truly believe in God, then you should have no problem believing in any type of supernatural miracles. The greatest miracle of them all has already been completed, the creation of the universe! You don't have to read the bible to understand that miracle! If God can create the universe and create all natural laws, there should be no reason to think that he cannot perform simple miracles such as raising the dead.

Your proof - creation

[hoorano]

@lonehunter65 Other than other people's subjective account of Jesus' appearances, where is the tangible evidence? Were there accounts of Jesus bringing back someone's skeleton remains? Just because the bible holds historical facts and universal principles of morality, it doesn't mean that every miracle is literally true. Understanding the bible "literally" can be very dangerous. Creation of the universe arguably followed laws of chemistry and physics, creationism & scientifically.

[lonehunter65]

@hoorano The Gospels were written as historical documents. Sure if it was like Psalms or something, maybe I wouldn't take it exactly literally, but it isn't. It's written as historical fact. And one of the most historically certain facts we have is Jesus's resurrection. If Jesus can resurrect, I have no problem believing any other miracles.

And no, the laws of chemistry and physics came into existence at the time of the big bang, so there is no way that creation was natural.

[hoorano]

@lonehunter65 Saying or repeating biblical rhetoric "Jesus was resurrected from the dead" is not enough evidence that it is true. It's like repeating, "Santa Claus lived on the North Pole." You can believe what you want to believe. I don't think Jesus himself would say, "If you don't believe that I was not resurrected from the dead, you are not a Christian." It would be obnoxiously vain of Him. I think He would value people to live to His guidance more than the miracles stated in the bible.

[lebking95]

GEEZUS!!!!!!!!

[celioabatti]

mathew 27:35, mark 15:24, luke 24:7, john 19:16 Acrs 2:7, mathew 27:26, Mathew 27 :38,, mark 15:25,John 19:18

JESUS WAS CRUCIFIED!

[RobinHood1969]

My mother Michele L. Neill was murdered by her own son, My mother sent me messages to let me know what happened to her. She was attacked in her sleep overdosed with a Margarine and Gravy mixter. Forcfed and also bagged. She has taught me so much about my 5 brothers and herself! She proved to me their is another kingdom awaiting us. And also the common sense of any kind of energy continues to flow, our waters our blood, the wind, etc. She was also a Gardern this also trails back to the seed! Life

[jbiemans77]

AT 12:00 Dr. Craig says "The resurrection predictions are not historical" but everything else that I have said has to be true because its in the bible.

So what parts of the bible are historical truth and which parts are stories and metaphors, and how can I tell the difference ?

[laci2126]

@jbiemans77 What part? That is easy. The Third Person of God the Holly-spirit lets the believer know. Read the Bible it is all there.

1John2:27

But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

[jbiemans77]

@laci2126 You said a lot there, without actually saying anything at all. The problem with saying that the holy-spirit allows people to correctly interpret the bible, is that the holy-spirit leads many different people to many different interpretations of the same text.

If that really was the case, it would lead everyone to the exact same conclusions, would it not ?

[laci2126]

@jbiemans77 Yes, but not everyone who says that he/she has the Holly-spirit has the Holly-spirit. Those who have, are interpreting the Bible the same way!

[jbiemans77]

@laci2126 But you missed my point, how do you know who those people are ? By what criteria can you judge if someone has the holy spirit or not ?

[MrDarkbloom]

Here we have two grown adults arguing about which imaginary friend is better. Excruciating.

[regelemihai]

If all you can do is ap\peal to redicule, then I'd just have to say "try again."

Same old childish rants. "Imaginary friends" "magic sky daddy"...are you people 6? Seriously now.

[loly1969]

@MrDarkbloom nice coments

[opntheirhartzJesus]

"...what exactly happened is a mystery that we cannot penetrate" ally ~ Jesus was crucified: matt 27:35-44, mark 15:24-32, luke 23:33-43, john 19:16-28 Jesus died: matt 27:50, mark 13:37, luke 23:46, john 19:30 Jesus was buried: matt 27:59-60 mark 15:45-46, luke 23:53, john 19:40-42 Jesus resurrected and appeared to many: matthew 28:9-10, 18-20 mark 16:9, 12-13, luke 24:13-32, 34, 36-43, 50-53, john 20:10-29, 21:1-24, Acts 9:3-6, 1 Corinthians 15:5-8 we can, and do, know what happened

[saidinmas]

@opntheirhartzJesus should read the ancient scriptures which were in Greek instead of in Aramaic, the mother-tongue language of Jesus. In fact, passages like Mark 16:9-20 about Jesus' Resurrection, 1 John 5:7 about these three are one to support Trinity, and a woman caught in the act of adultery among others were unavailable in ancient Greek scriptures as confirmed by 32 Christian scholars of the RSV, BUT such passages are available in the KJV!

[FahadKhan1988]

Resurrection must be spiritual according to Paul.... Christianity just keep evolving.

[Nakdimon316]

Where does Paul say that? Paul says that the resurrection is "in spirit", meaning that our body will be of spiritual quality without the weaknesses we are dealing with now. Logically speaking a resurrection CAN only be that of the body that DIED. That is what resurrection means. you cant have a spiritual resurrection since the spirit doesn't die! You can only speak of a resurrection if the DEAD BODY is RAISED BACK TO LIFE. Anything other than that is NOT a resurrection!

[FahadKhan1988]

I said spiritual resurrection, not resurrection of the spirit. This is Pauls words, not mine. But I agree with that as a Muslim. If Jesus was resurrected, he should had no physical properties.

[JuLollyA]

Dr. Shabir Ally, as much as I respect the guy, he really doesn't make any sense...

Dr. Craig points out that Shabir Ally takes things out of context too often, and Craig's clearly right.

[laci2126]

@JuLollyA He does not make sense to you because you are a Christian. If you were a Muslim he would make a lot of sense to you. Not that this makes him right, but this does not make Dr Lane Craig right either. They are both wrong and they show very well why the other is wrong.

It is a cheap trick on the part of Dr Craig (ad hominem) to say that Shabir quotes out of context. No he does not. All you have to do is look it up, what he is quoting.

[trueguynolies]

This is a good debate! Why do I see people arguing disgustedly on the comments below! We should be peaceful and argue sensibly to each other with arguments, not swearing or insulting with no arguments like ignorant people! We have the choice to make about Islam, Christianity or Nothing! It's up to you ! I'll personally go for Islam though as it's more logical! Jesus dying as a blasphemous cannot accept!

[PHadvocate]

your right, it doesnt help to argue but it is good to have a sensible argument.

Dr craig doesnt say that Jesus was a blasphemer, but that he was accused, tryed and died on the cross wrongly, as a blasphemer. Then God raised him up from the dead because He wasnt a blasphemer, He was innocent, thus the perfect passover lamb for our sins, once and for all.Praise the Living God Jesus Christ.

[twicefroze]

I'm so sick of all the "RELIGIONS" out there I think they all lie, I also think that people need more love in there heart and in there mind then religion we would have a nicer world to live in.I think that there is EVIL out there and it would like mankind to turn on each other,so for peace try to love each other before it is to late for us.

[merryloo25]

well said.

They just dont understand,we are all one Gods children,you call him Allah i call him God..

No difference though.Stop fighting bout religions guys.Respect each other!

[twicefroze]

Thank you for your comment I think I said it all. People just have to look back in time and see that RELIGION's had a lot to do with EVIL in MAN HEART and MIND I all so think that If men would just care four one other maybe we would not have WAR!!!!!!

[calexculux]

What I don't understand is that,Why not call Allah God

[athanasus7915]

The God of the bible has a son John 3:16 In the Koran he does not Sura 5;30, Sura 10:68

[madmaxsdp]

this isn't about religiouns thinking that others are lying. This is about other religions thinking that christianity is a lie. Christianity is the target here please, if your going ot be ignorant don't post.

[MannaBoBannaPeople]

Many come in the Name of Christ and claim that theirs is true, but rest assured that there is one true Christian doctrine that is solely based in scripture - which is true. This religion does none of the same things OTHERS in their name do.

[athanasus7915]

Who loves u more than Jesus he died for us? Romans 5:8 . Christianity is not a religion but faith in a person! Try him

[dagreenstar]

nope, sorry I put my complete faith in God the creator of everything, not a person who is a creation! and who worshiped the creator and this is documented in your bible, read it!

[topdawg911]

hahah lo, at paul(roman)anti isreali followers a.k.a paulinians, a.k.a (modern) christians

[IBOnum1]

How can anyone take what is coming out of his mouth serious. The only thing he did was ramble on what has been written by other men and their interpretations/ideas of the BIBLE. This man teaching on the resurection and discrepancies of the BIBLE did not even bother reading them all. He jumped from one thing to another. It was evident that he has very little knowledge of the scriptures, because if he did he would follow Jesus Crist the savior and no Mohamed

[edammade]

I think you need to watch all of the links to this debate and maybe a few others.

Shabir almost always qoutes major Christian authorities on scripture and gives a lot of sound references. He uses the short time limits to the best of his abilities.

Muslims do follow Jesus. We look like him (beards), worship One God like him and even pray like him.

[flamenballerG37]

any religion can be as similar as they want to Christianity, but in the long run it pretty much comes down to this. when Jesus claims to be God, is it true? if true 'what does that make me', if it is not true then Jesus is just a man. there are analytical ways to get this answer. say for instance the book-The Case For Christ, by Lee Strobel-its all about showing how Jesus is really in fact God. (is a cheap books too in case some1 wants to buy it one day)

[athanasus7915]

great book brother!!

[OntoLogos]

Of course Jesus rose from the dead - the contrary is not possible. Anti-Christian Theism and non-Logos epistemology falsify themselves.

All one can know is A or B or C= particulars, yet universals are not just needed, but used in those assertions.

[edammade]

Speak English.

[vatican89]

oh this video really makes christianity crumble...muhammed himself said he didnt know if the vision he received was from god or the devil, it was obviously from the devil

[punctum2]

There are parts of Quran originally not written in Arabic language, but in Aramaic. In its oldest parts Quaran is christian.

Luxenberg, Christoph:

The Syro-Aramaic Reading of the Koran

Berlin: Schiler, 2007.

ISBN 3-89930-088-2

Hardcover, 352 p.

"probably the most important book ever written on the Koran." (The Guardian)

[edammade]

What is wrong with the Quran borrowing words from different dialects??? We do this in English all the time. This does not in anyway nulify the Quran. Try again.

[DogChasingItsTail]

Im serious that podium is too big.

[psandbergnz]

It's such a pity that Christians here resort to bigotry and prejudice by exploiting a site, which is supposed to provide an intelligent and interesting debate, as just an opportuinity to slander and discriminate against another religion. You can observe this all the time on Youtube where CHRISTIAN commentators are involved.

[petersibrahim]

I ask that you do not return "apparent" bigotry with labelling and prejudicial and inaccurate statements that do not edify. Absolute statements such as: "as just an opportuinity to slander and discriminate against another religion. You can observe this all the time on Youtube where CHRISTIAN commentators are involved."

[petersibrahim]

At least Christianity in the modern day has not been responsible for murdering or setting captive or being violent when South Park depicts the Lord Jesus in very inappropriate scenes.

[sandbergnz]

petersib, I think you are too blinkered to see that my comment was indeed intended to edify. Absolute statements by Christians that e.g. another religion is full of "Satanic lies" (scroll down!) is hardly likely to foster intelligent debate. So, what an intelligent person can see plainly as bigotry is hardly even "apparent" to you.

[petersibrahim]

These statements may be indeed bigoted, but your statement does not solve the problem. I apologize for any bigotry you have experienced. "Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil by good."

[sandbergnz]

Petersib, please read and understand Matthew 7:5. Then you might be able to preach to others. Other advice: don't think you can apologise for others' misdeeds - you won't be able to sacrifice yourself for them. Shalom!

[petersibrahim]

It is not that simple my friend you have a misunderstanding. I cannot blot out their transgression only Christ can do that. I am apologizing to you on behalf of all the Christians on this site, taking responsibility for the action myself. I am not asking for you to accept his apology I am asking to accept our apology, or simply my apology...thank you

[DivineLove247]

Silly Christians, and Islam Hater's and their Silly and Hateful comments, for ALL to see!

[Ajunpryde930]

DivineLove247, what they are saying is right... Paul indeed said this, "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. (Gal 1:8)" and "for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. (2 Cor 11:14)". All this was written about 650 years before Islam. God Bless

[ArtaxerxesMGarcia]

THE WHOLE TEACHINGS OF ISLAM IS LOADED WITH SATANIC LIES. THE APOSLTE PAUL WARNS US NOT TO LISTEN TO AN ANGEL WHO PREACHES A DIFFERENT GOSPEL. iSLAM TEACHES A DIFFERENT JESUS, A DIFFERENT GOSPEL. IS NOT ALLAH THAT DEVIL TRANSFORMED INTO AN ANGEL OF LIGHT? JESUS IS THE KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS, ABOVE ALLAH, ABOVE MUHAMMAD.

[pete2803]

well spoken well wrote my friend

[edammade]

How come you are using Paul as an authority for scripture? Was Paul a prophet? Did he recieve revelation? Did he meet Jesus peace and blessings be upon him? Did Jesus give authority to Paul to speak on his behalf?

Actually it's Paul and the later Gospel John which preaches a different Jesus and more corruptly, a different God.

The Quran came as quality control of previous scripture.

[Evfimy]

Bull shit. Jesus chose Paul --Acts 9.

Peter called Paul a brother, and accepted his writings -- 2Pet.3:15-16.

[edammade]

Mind your language.

Jesus never met Paul and never gave him authority in his lifetime. He died 20 years before Pauls writings and Pauls accounts are contradicting.

Acts 9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.

Acts 22:9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.

You really want to base your faith on this?

[edammade]

So you are saying Pauls writings are of divine origin and infallible?

[DouglasJBender]

Yes, Paul was a prophet. Yes, Paul received revelation. Yes, Paul met Jesus. And, yes, Jesus gave Paul authority to speak on Jesus' behalf. Haven't you ever read the Book of Acts?

[JakHolmberg]

It's an old storybook, not a historical text. Wake up and smell the facts.

[Ahav]

We Messianic Jews Believe that (unlike catholic or most christians) that YAHUSHUA is NOT God Almighty

but as He himself stated = He is the Divine pre-existent Son of the Heavenly Father. He was baptized in the fountain of the HOLY SPIRIT before the foundation of the world. That is why HE, YAHUSHUA our SAVIOR and MASTER, is called 'The Anointed One' - the MESSIAH

[ArtaxerxesMGarcia]

No, you are wrong. YaHShua is One with the Father. The name of the entire Godhead is YaHWeH. YaHShua means "YaHWeH the Saviour". Who is Jesus? He is YaHWeH, saving His people from their sins. You Messianic are such blind fools who are not allowed to see the truth because you are as obstinate as the Jews.

[pete2803]

so you say?

[pete2803]

you muslims are f****** evil

[nana6906]

same to you....

[dabe333]

The Crisis of Mind in Islam

[babystinky]

yeah, I know some people who also thought William Lane Craig did very well, in fact many secular were even saying Shabir lost, although most Muslims of course think otherwise.

[megawolf7]

Wiliam Lane Craig does an excellent job! Shabir's arguments are lacking and even go against the Koran:

"They did not kill him, NOR CRUCIFY HIMh, but they thought they did.." (Sura 4:157)

Shabir says Jesus was crucfied so he goes against his own book.

[RealManArab]

Peace be upon you

 " Crucified" him means put him on the cross to death.can you find a word in teh dictionary explain putting a person on the cross BUT thsi person didn't die?? Look at "Crucifixion" in the Oxford dicationary . what happened to Jesus is Cruci-FICION

[airny51]

Yeah, he's making a huge assumption - that Jesus was guilty. You can abuse any law, not matter how just or holy its origin, to suit your own purposes, and that's exactly what the Jewish leaders did to Jesus.

[dogmaster05]

Wow. Huge presupposition on the part of Shabir. He thinks that Jesus MUST be guilty for having to die, and I don't know where he gets that idea. In fact, Christianity teaches that the only way for him to possibly pay for our sins is for him to be sinless himself. I think he attacked a straw man.

[amooballer]

:D i love Deedat (i know this is shabir) but i still love deedat, he KICKS BUTT.

[islamisall]

masaallah bro ali: