Cockpit landing MIMINUMs in JFK

[ShalemariTV]

what does minimums mean

[FieroCampagnolo]

what was that weird voice?

[9pinkyandthebrain]

@FieroCampagnolo the plane

[ArtyomShipoff]

Whatever they say I trust more Boeings than Airbus

[FSXman1000]

Very smooth landing! Great pilot's and aircraft!

[reedyspeedy12]

what is minimums?????????

[luxairboeing]

@reedyspeedy12 minimums is the minimum of altitude the plane can flying

[istvanklein]

@reedyspeedy12 Minimums is the decision altitude where the pilots MUST see the runway before deciding to land. If they can't see the runway when the minimums call is sounded they must abort landing and go around for a second attempt.

[amistrymister]

I heard the ATController say that 31R was clear to land - and this guy had barely touched down! It is crazy over there!

[TriplesevenER]

@amistrymister its the "clear to land" for the following aircraft...

[amistrymister]

@TriplesevenER yeah i noticed that afterwards. thanks for sharing :D

[ypaul123]

חברה של בני אלף שרמוטות

[stankyoosh]

amen

[zohar3998]

@ypaul123 מסכים איתך, קרה לי שטסתי באל על מלוס אנג'לס לתל אביב ושעה וחצי לאחר ההמראה איזה דייל אידיוט עבר בכל המטוס וביקש לסגור את החלונות ואני לא הסכמתי אז הוא הפעיל נגדנו את כל צוות המטוס.

[flyer737sw]

Minimums is used in conjuction with DH(decision height)...Depending upon the type of ILS approach, whether its a CAT I / II / IIIA / B / C the DH will vary AGL(Above ground level) with the cat IIIC having no DH while the Cat I will be greather then 200 feet...If the pilots do not have visual contact of the "runway enviroment" then they must perform a missed approach...

[Notfunnyhere]

does the minimums count down tell the height the plane is at when landing ?

[BlackTwister999]

minimums is the last warning for the pilot if he decided to make (Go Around) Action

[nemlou]

means that minimums?

[Mr123liverpoolfc]

Thanks

[Mr123liverpoolfc]

What does minima means´, and when do the pilots use ils landing

[FSX737LTN]

no it doesn't mean if you can't see the runway you have to go around, it means it is the minimum safe altitude to perform a go around

[SuperMcfly12]

actually it does mean if you cant see the runway you have to go around. you can do a go around in a cloud using your instrument but you cant land unless you can see

[SuperMcfly12]

if you don't see the lights in front of the runway by the time you reach minimums than you have to go around. it is highly unsafe to go any lower without seeing the runway. and ils is used for instrument landings ie in clouds. basically puts you on a slope all the way down to 1000 ft down the runway. if its a clear day than they'll clear you for a visual approach

[Mr123liverpoolfc]

Thanks! :)

[BalderAsir]

minima is a point on the ILS where by if the flight crew judge that they do not have the minimum visability specified for that approach they my initiate a missed approach. it isn't uncommon for larger airliners to still make contact with the runway once the Missed approach is initiated. Airlines generally use the ILS whenever it is available. Makes for a much smoother and efficient approach and also allows the AP to be used longer. more efficient.

[t7flyer]

שרמוטות מזדייניות אינשאללה יתרסקו

[soundlikeFabian]

very nice landing

[Tonny0909]

Minimums- alert is active always, even in good weather conditions. runway was visible way before warning.

[caines24]

Yes, thats correct. Minimums EGPWS callout is not deactivated in any circumstances. When "mimimums" is called by computer or pilot not flying, a go-around should imidiate be initiated if PF not sure of RW edge lights in sight. The pilots are allways aware of which height minimums is, for their approaches.

[Tonny0909]

Runway was visible at the starting of video. Minimus altitude can be set at FMC.

[FlyinTheNetherlands]

Difference per aircraft! I fly a 737-800 with KLM in Holland, In a 737 we set the minimums in a turning knob called 'Radio'...! It's on the left side of the AP settings...!

[blackestnite]

Minimums is the height at which should be the minimum altitude to see the runway. If im correct usually if the runway is not visible due to bad weather or if there is traffic on the runway the pilot must go around and call a missed approach at minimums.

[eistee10]

it means that you only some feets over the runway and that you touch down now

[starion007]

What does "Approaching minimums" mean?????

[joemania12]

Its actually approach minimums andd it means the minimum descent altitude or decision height has been reached and the pilot must make the decision to continue the approach or overshoot

[bphendri]

You mean Go Around, or go missed apparoach not overshoot.

To overshoot would be to run off the end of the runway...

[FlyinTheNetherlands]

Most off the time you say Missed Approach to ATC when you are still on a pritty high altitude and you have 4 white PAPI (<Lights to see if you're on glideslope). Go around is most of the time after landing clearence when you get suddenly a high crosswind and you're blow to the side or something.

[CRsBeem]

Joemania is correct here. At Decision Height, the pilot must have visual contact with the "runway environment", not necessarily the edge-lights. Could be the rabbits or, in daylight, the blocks. Minimums varies by approach instrumentation, aircraft equipment and pilot quals...but is usually 200 feet at Cat I

[FlyinTheNetherlands]

Finaly somebody who knows what DA(h)/ MDA(H) means!!!

Everybody thinks it's the moment that the engines had to set to idle!

[CRsBeem]

I have the sense that most folks here are still too young to get their "private", so we try to be...helpful.

[FlyinTheNetherlands]

Yeah, okay, you're right. I think most people are around 16 or something...! Just old enough to get their RPL. I get lot of mails and questions about planes. Most questions are about FMC and AP.

[tragikcase]

lol

[LoudS1l3nc3]

its an altitude-distance from the runway. If the pilot can't see the runway from that point, landing isn't safe and he must go around

[AirlinePilotStuart]

whats the noise at 0:34 ?

[744PIC]

If you're referring to the "whirl", that's the sound of the speedbrake motor. The speedbrake is armed during final approach and deploys once the main landing gear touches the ground.

[AirlinePilotStuart]

Thank You!

[Airportchris2]

Yea, they are set off, when the WoW "Weight on Wheels" switches are triggered.

[youtrein]

Very nice landing!

[BushBlewUpTwinTowers]

you set idle throttle based on airspeed + weight + angle of plane + sink rate.....but when the wheels are on the ground throttle is set to "reverse" for most jets + turboprops...the audio warnings you heard are just warnings using ground proximity devices....

9/11 inside job,,,,

btw you thumbs down this guys question????

[uploader1010]

how did u manage to get into an el al cockpit ?!

[merseyrail508124]

maybe he works with the airline..?

[Boeing777klm]

when you have to set your engines to idle? When the flight attendant or something says Minimums? Or at 40 feet?

[jackhamiltonbuilder]

whaaaaaat are you talkking about? haha

[SMDskata]

MINIMUMS is said by the GPWS or one of those systems. Its automated. When flying visual, you reduce power gradualy around 30-50ft and slowly begin your flare.

[bombayduck260992]

Haha, and for the information, as SMDSkata is right, GPWS stand for Ground Positioning Waring System, the systeem that tells your your height, 100-50-40-30-20-10, reech on, or give you a warning when your gear is not down, or your flaps are not sufficient...

I would really start reading books about aircraft chap :p

[1053857]

Ground Proximity Warning System, not Ground Positioning Warning System.. I would really start reading books about aircraft chap :p

[dcnutter]

LOL :)

[orangie84]

this may sound childish but how come the lights on the runway don't get smashed??

I mean from being runover over or something?

I'm sure the wheels on these planes must at one point hit at least one of those bulbs.

[fortesimo]

they lights are not protruding out of the tarmac. they are built in holes of the tarmac. Or not if they built it protruded they runway lights will be smashed

[fortesimo]

the runway lights are not protruded out of the tarmac. there are holes in the runway tarmac and the lights are fixed into these holes. So the lights would not come into contact with the tires of the plane

[malmo66]

They hit lots of the bulbs! When you land or take off often you willhere a thudding as the nose wheel runs over the centreline lights. The lights are very tough though so they don't break, they are not household light bulbs :-P.

[LH287]

they are protected like the "cat's eyes" you go over with your car every day on a normal road when changing lanes...

[malmo66]

exactly

[b747dude]

lol. cool offf...

[jojayjavier]

pls clear me on this: depending on the runway ILS capability from Cat 1 to CAt 3C.

So, I presume that JFK's (this runway) has CAT 3C ILS,

meaning this finals was in CAT IIIc - 0 min visibility, 0 decision height?

fill me in first, going for pilot training soon. :P thanks!

[jcbmartinique]

nice vidéo !!!5/5

[desmond225]

i thought that minimums was the decision height, landing or missed approach.

[guidobertisch2]

what is minimums?

can someone answer?

[calvin5656]

They're the little lights tht lead the plane to the runway.

[nakedcomputing]

No.

[HanzPrague]

desmond is right - minimums marked minimum decision high for pilots, when they have to decide if they´ll continue approach and finnish to land or climb back to transition altitude doing missed approach procedure and then repeat whole approach again (or divert to backup airport).

[Jacob121416]

YEA i knew it

[BD866]

desmond225's right, it's the minimum height at which you decide to execute a landing or a go-around depending on the existing conidtions.

[b747dude]

MINIMUMS- Weather condition requirements established for a particular operation or type of operation Np =]

[CaptainFaisal]

What a great landing video from cockpit!!!

[fsxelal]

how did they let you sit in the cockpit>? i am going in les sthan a week to KEWR-LLBg and i would LOVE to sit in the cockpit!

[MariuzHomie]

you call that minimums

[MasterTrickjam]

nice video, nice plane, nice landing:)

[NotZezima]

so you call that a "minimum"?

in the case, JFK really sucks

[jaa93997]

pilot cliche: i never go MINIMUMS

[kawadude111]

Or: i broke out right at minimums...

[FunkyZangel]

Anyone knows why the pilot push the throttles slightly up when landing? i thought they were suppose to make it go sloooow?

[Killfis]

If you mean after the plane has touched the runway, its reverse thrust to slow the plane down.

[0764321]

He might have been going too sloooow, and descending to fast.

[flyernate]

its a technique to cushion the descent rate. bump up the power, slow the descent, result is an even smoother landing than just a flare.

[smartalpha]

That's a aceptable explanation to my ask... :P I were going to say "man, what a fucking smooth candy landing for a autoland!"

[iamjesper]

nice landing

[eclipse245]

That was a REALLY nice landing!

[COLINHARRIMAN]

you must have 6/6 vision 20/20 in US to start with an airline. With age and presbyopia you can then go on to fly with glasses, contacts and laser correction but vision still should be 6/6 20/20

[supertruckertx]

El Al has, for years, had the BEST security than any other airlines in history!

[cesar333]

Your right. They have about 10 people who do security on all flights. About 3 you know are security, another 2 or 3 that blend in with passengers, another 4 to 5 who at the door and outside. Some of them look like a bunch of kids.

[alghamaj]

nice

[rhkissme]

If you are looking to be a military pilot you need perfect 20/20 vision, but with airlines it can be corrected to a 20/20 with glasses, contacts, or laser eye surgury

[thechosenone540]

20/20 or less (as in numerically). I know someone who had 15/20 vision and the USAF was trying to sign him.

[rhkissme]

Well I don't know, but thats what my flight teacher told me so I'll believe her. no offense

[ETisHome]

Horrible airline, very lousy service. All airlines can fly their planes, it's the service to passengers where the big difference is, and Él Al's service sucks - from experience.

[rhkissme]

well why in th world would you fly with a company named el al's. If I heard I was going to ride with them, I would be half-way to china on foot by the time the plane takes off

[stevendunkleman]

wow u r dumb they r professionaland nice my 4 times flyin with thwem were amazing

[kimberlyKfnOphiEAGLE]

Look, would you rather be spoiled..or SAFE, flying to or from Israel? El Al puts safety first for what, in my opinion, are obvious reasons.

[ccoraxfan]

"...breaking thorough the clouds at 200 feet and autloanding into 31r at jfk..."

This is a bunch of bull! Do you see any clouds?  No! The approach lights are in SSALR mode. This is a night VFR landing, standard fare. If it were really IFR, you'd see a full ALSF - the approach path would be lit like a Christmas tree! Not to mention you'd see some fog or clouds.

[finalapproach42]

I agree - this is not minimum weather. But it's still an autoland. You can hear the F/O say "flare green" just before touchdown. That call is not needed during a manual landing.

[seb13gp]

yes this is a bunch of bull like ccoraxfan says

[delacerdaa]

so the autopilot did the landing?

[finalapproach42]

Yes.

[EggingCheese]

Well all the way up until the decision height

[finalapproach42]

I think it's a full automatic landing. You hear the FO say "Flare green"right after the automatic minumums call, wich is only needed for automatic landings. And at minimums you don't hear any autopilot disconnect sound.

[nikereact]

Moron, you dont even know what your talking about

[seb13gp]

very good observation

[prost8]

so if its on autoland, do they have to cancel the autopilot to do the flare or not?

[HollywdPatGB]

No. The autoland can approach, flare, land and brake - while keeping on the centerline - to a fullstop. Just have to rember to disonnect so you can turnoff on the taxiway!

[samthemanah64]

In the U.S., there is a new program known as CASS (Cockpit Access Security System). Those airlines which belong to CASS have an agreement with each other to allow pilots to ride jumpseat once they show their airline ID, complete a jumpseat form, and gain the Captain's approval. Therefore, jumpseat privileges are available CASS approved pilots who do not know the Captain.

[staxtics]

seems like boeing altitude callout doesn't have 400,300,200

[ASport525]

He might of got in it because he was either an atc or he worked for that airline and he probably taped the landing with a video camera?

[joshster89]

How did you get into teh cockpit of an El Al plane and how did you manage to tape the landing?

[tmsiang]

you can have your seat booked in the cockpit known as jumpseat if and only if the captain is your friend!

[ASport525]

Whatever

[cujo665]

You don't know what your talking about

[stankyoosh]

if i tell u i have to kill u....

[kawadude111]

if you want military like ROTC for pilot you need 20/20. but for private you can have a little to either side of that

[pasoplaya]

whats an ils aproach

[joebloggs1123]

ILS is Instrument Landing System, its an instrument that basically tells you if you are on the right approach path

[avcomth]

From the description there you mean that the pilot was using the ILS and GS Hold for this landing??

[aviation1992]

No just need to be changed to 20/20

[JasonRR07]

hey, can anyone explain to me in detail the best way to land a Boeing 737 on an ILS approach please?

[grantrmca]

If it is an ILS approach follow the glidescope and makes sure that you are on the localizer. Start to flare a bit as you cross the runway retard the throttle about ten feet above the runway and you should land fine.

[nogogorman]

No you do not need 20/20 vision to become a pilot. Talk to your optician to find the limits allowed. You are allowed correcting lenses (glasses or contact lenses) or laser eye surgery.

You do however need perfect hearing.

[Fowlerflap]

Hi, your decision height is realy based on your ILS category, for a Cat 1 DH is 200 feet or more with an RVR of 550m, Cat 2 between DH is 100 and 200 FT with an RVR of 350m, Cat 3a DH is around 100 FT witha an RVR of 200m, Cat 3b DH is less than 100 feet with an RVR of 50m, and cat 3c DH is less than 100 FT with an RVR of 0m. your sped doesnt have to be 150 KTS it al depends on your aircraft type some are dif than others hope this awnsers your question

[ppauliwog]

MINIMUMS

[cnse7en]

Landing.

[notar1]

MINIMUMS ,if you asking I believe its the point if you dont see runway (fog) you have to go around

[Fowlerflap]

No, its your decision height at about 150 or 200 where you make the decision to go around or touchdown

[timothyngim]

After that the countdown starts rite?

[Fowlerflap]

yeah the countdown is a flare aide that tells you your altitude you you can safely decide when to flare for landing

[karamete]

Hi,

Correct me if am wrong. Is decision altitude=minumum descent altitude? So it should be around 600 - 700 feet. Considering that the plane is descending about 150 knots , i think the go around deicision about 150 feet is too late. But if the landing is an ILS landing maybe decision about 150 feet may not be that late. Because we assume that the ILS brings the plane as close to the runway as possible.

[CRsBeem]

You are off a bit conceptually, "kara." An approaching aircraft is not going VERTICALLY 150 knots! so a 200" descent altitude on an ILS approach is not at all unreasonable. It is, instead, fact. Rate of descent is more like 250-500 feet-per-minute depending on aircraft, weight, etc. Do that math and you'll see how it works out.

[dska22]

In fact, for mid-sized jets, 700-800 ft/min is the norm. For larger jets (moving faster), this descent rate would have to be greater to accommodate the 3 deg glideslope at most airports.