SPINS in Diamond Eclipse DA-20 at MFC with Matt Dion and Wil

[09fliegen]

nice airplane

[ralphbrynard]

Because in spite of the recovery effort it is still possible for the wing to be close to, or beyond the critical AoA. Also, Diamond stall horns seem to squeal a lot on hot, high density altitude days.

[ZGSXRR]

agreed !

[musdg]

DA20-C1 with the IO-240-B17 are not spin certified. The altitude compensating fuel put could leave you with a lean mixture. It is not rated to keep up with that rapid of a descent.

You can get DA-20's with the wire mesh for lightning strikes and static lines on the trailing edges.

A stall horn on the recovery for a spin or even a stall is a good thing as long as you don't receive a secondary buffet or stall. At least if you are looking in minimize your descent to the max possible.

[JoaoPintovski]

@MFCDION well... I dont! If you entered a deep stall in the recovery and didn't manage to recover, It wouldn't matter if you overstressed the airplane or not!

[GeneralGoopy]

sheesh! how do you do that? we did half spins and i felt sick for like 10 minutes! it was the recovery Gs that got me i think lol

[astoria1019]

i start training in that aircraft on saturday. how is it? i have either that or a cirrus sr22.

[nxbrennan]

@astoria1019 Go with the DA20, I love that aircraft and it's probably a hell of a lot cheaper to fly than the SR22.

[kieranthinkssamisgay]

hat of to ya! i woulda shit meself

[coyotedrunkoncognac]

is it ok admit my palms get kinda sweaty watching this?

enjoy flying not so sure id enjoy spinning

cant help thinking of reckless jfkjr when viewing this

thnx for the vid

good safe flights to all

[mikemike390]

the way you make sure not to enter into a spin if in slow flight and have power on make sure that if a stall occurs to kick the rudder in the opposite deriction (if you leave it then the plane could enter a spin)

[Pilot177013]

"So better to recover with a stall warning than to overstress the plane, don't you think?" -MFCDION.

I've always said that you can recover from a stall, but you can't recover from your wings falling off! Vne is just another word for unintentional sweptback wings. Looking at your speed in the recovery, you were around Va, so you had loads of time... pull too many G's above Va, and you'll have extra an 'extra dihedral' problem before you stall out. Safe spinning.

[Pilot177013]

Diamonds should be utility category only... you only have to look at the certificate of airworthiness to know the real answer to that one. Certified for spins? -Check POH, our ones are but only below the weight of 1652lbs. Most planes are not tested beyond six spins. T-Tails (like on the DA20-C1) are better for spin recovery, because the relative airflow from underneath hits the rudder AND THEN elevator, and is not blocked like with a low horizontal stablizer blocking airflow to the rudder.

[vinamais]

May I disagree in one point, my friend Pilot177013: T-Tail aircraft are more prone to develop unrecoverable spins, I mean, flat spins, because the turbulent airflow from the wing shades the elevator. So, in my opinion, elevator efectiveness is much more critical spin recovery wise. If T-Tails were better for spin recovery, don´t You think that almost all aerobatic aeroplanes would have that empenage configuration???

[qqcolaman]

I think that the 152 is the best for spins, because it does not want to be in one in the first place... where as a Diamond Aircraft has a little more Kick to its spins.

[dabassface]

correction. in a spin the airspeed reads zero at some point in the recovery the airspeed has to travel through speeds that would set off the stall horn. because of the extra g-force the horn can be heard at speeds higher than normal...accelerated stall.

[surfcosta720]

You guys are retarded, DA-20's are spin certified was doing them to day with my CFII, so look at you POH or AFM... they are good to go and one of the easiest planes to recover out of a spin

[dabassface]

i agree with this guy. The DA20 is certified in the normal category, so spins are no problem. and i'm not exactly sure what this guy below me means by international spin. Is that when you spin on the border of the US and Mexico!?!? you can check out a six turn spin in an eclipse on my page. I don't think it's an "international spin" though.

[Valantir]

You are correct the DA20 is certified for spins. However you are wrong as spins are done in the Utility Category not the Normal Category. Every Aircraft has a normal category.

[lorenzini]

DOH!...you are very correct. that's what i get for acting all smarter than thou. wasn't thinking.

[Valantir]

Actually both are right, after looking it up, spins are prohibited in DA20 Eclipses that have the Altitude adjusting mixture control, but the newer DA20 Eclipses that have normal mixture controls are spin certified. Also Diamonds are ONLY certified in the utility catagory, no normal catagory.

[0109593]

yeah, intentional spins are prohibited for this aircraft. Although, I have done an insipient spin in one...pretty cool!

[hodurovec]

I think that spins are prohibited on DA-20. But i am not sure. But they are perfect planes. I love flying them!

[londomollari]

any one care to explain why there is a stall warning through the recovery? that just does'nt seem like a sign of a good recovery to me?

[michellegoguen01]

nice spin matt, but mine was way better!

[borczm]

That's exactly why it can't be certified. It is well equipped for IFR except for the lightening protection.

Nice spin btw!

[dralberthofmann]

Hey do you know if the Eclipse/Evolution can be IFR certified? I heard the Katana version cannot be.

[MFCDION]

As far as i am aware we cannot for more reasons than one, however i know that our Eclipses are not

IFR certified at our school. I haven't done any research into the matter though, maybe try contacting Diamond in London, ON.

[dralberthofmann]

I sent them an email asking about it though I think the answer will be no. Someone else told me none of the DA-20s can be IFR certified because they lack a wire mesh in the construction needed for lightening strikes...kind of a shame, the DA20 is appealing and relatively affordable.

[MFCDION]

not to mention a great plane to fly all-round

[gettadubvr6]

my name is matt dion too. sweet

[levy3poop]

@dralberthofmann It's a super fun plane to take up on clear days, but it's lack of IFR abilities kind of makes it disappointing to have when you're scheduled (School training) to fly, and the clouds drop down low so you can't go up. Other than my missed flights cause of IFR conditions, it's a super fun plane to fly and really easy to get the hang of things in