I hope this is a joke. If not though, moral law does not freaking exist. Conditioning exists, and we're conditioned from birth. Genetics exist. Social norms exist. None of these require a God to create or uphold them. They need a state, with a shit load of Guns. Oh look, that's exactly what we have. If it was moral LAW that bound us, it would be objective and public. But it's not. It's subjective. That means it has no evidence, or grounds. Thus, NOT a law.
If you want to argue that Hitler was not religious then that is fine, the reasons he and his followers did what they did was out of Ideology, coincidently Ideology is something that religion has and Atheism lacks, meaning as an atheist I idolise/worship nobody, as a theist you Idolise/worship your deity.
So I am all for "attacking" Ideology, which is what drove the Nazi's but as I just said Ideology has no place in Atheism but ironically it is the corner stone of Religion and Theism.
Here's the almighty question: If you can't tell the difference between right and wrong, then how can you know that your god is doing right? on the other hand, If you can tell right from wrong... well that answers my question :)
Morals: one concerning what is right or prudent, that can be derived from a story, a piece of information, or an experience.
Hitlers morals was to rid the world of the jewish population and etc.
Morals do not have to be good, and they are derived from your environment, and how you go through life. Rational people early on discover that killing people is bad, because of the environment they're brought up in saying that murder and killing is bad. Idiot.
The moral law circular logic is circular logic is... is fallacious. It proposes that one is clearly unable themselves to determine right from wrong. However, that said, the world over, regardless of religion or belief, killing someone is a big no no.
Besides, which is more moral. Knowing right from wrong and simply not doing it or being told right from wrong and not doing it for fear of reprisal?
Vatican city was formed by Mussolini who was an ally of Hitler. How about those good atheists like Stalin and Mao? Communism according to Karl Marx is necessarily atheistic.
Old Testament, God ordered the Israelites to wipe out entire groups of people. To rip their children from their wombs. 1 Samuel 15: 2-3 is but an example. So, if Hitler had been commanded by God to commit his crimes, then they would've been ok?
Hey this is good, All the people who want to make excuses, stop being stubborn, you will have to account for the wrong you have done, there is no getting around that, Just ask the savior for forgiveness, and ask for strength to change, you have so much fun feeding the flesh but I tell you the truth when you are judged you will wish you could have changed when you had the chance.
The Moral Law Giver is your fucking brain. Your brain tells you right from wrong. Let me break this down for you since apparently you have no common sense:
If you do something bad, you feel bad. You don't want to bad.
If you do something good, you feel good. You want to feel good.
You don't need a god to tell you what's right and what's wrong. The moral codes given in religion are very basic human instinct of social interactions.
Okay, so, explain this to me: If there is morally objectionable parts of your bible, and christians just cherry pick what they want, a la, all the good bits, and disregard the murder, rape, genocide, and baby smashing from the bible, does this not indicate that morality does not stem from your magical sky jew, but from a basic moral standard that is inherent in humans?
Okay, so, explain this to me: If there is morally objectionable parts of your bible, and christians just cherry pick what they want, a la, all the good bits, and disregard the murder, rape, genocide, and baby smashing from the bible, does this not indicate that morality does not stem from your magical sky jew, but from a basic moral standard that is inherent in humans?
Okay, so, explain this to me: If there is morally objectionable parts of your bible, and christians just cherry pick what they want, a la, all the good bits, and disregard the murder, rape, genocide, and baby smashing from the bible, does this not indicate that morality does not stem from your magical sky jew, but from a basic moral standard that is inherent in humans?
I was going to respond, but I looked at the date of the video and decided that it wouldn't do any good. She is probably in her first year of college by now, and has most likely gained experience with the world and may now consider this video as an embarrassment.
@RussellLawliet No he was not. He had to manipulate and appeal to a largely xtian society, and more importantly his allies in Italy to gain power. You obviously do not know anything about Hitler, or anything about Nietzsche, who was a huge inspiration to the Nazi ideology. You know Nietzsche the man who is famous for his hypothesis that "God is Dead". They believed morality was strictly biological and had nothing to do with any religion in any shape or form.
Terrible, basic Philosophy with no understanding of Universal Falsity of Theory. The largest mistake here is the assumption that there is such a thing as 'Moral Law'. It is NOT a moral obligation to help others, we are simply inclined to do so due to parental and societal encouragement. We do not purposely kill as our ancestors who did so all killed each other and so their branch of the tree ended. Homosapien-sapiens worked together as a pack and did not kill each other so we survived.
your suggesting that there is truly moral law... this is wrong. moral law is personal and is a result of upbringing and what happens to us during out life. what is moral to one person isnt necceseraly moral to another person. E.G. killing is immoral to many people around the world but to me death and killing is part of our lives, we must kill to survive weather its for food or to protect yourself.
@QUIETONE9999 "The bible has lots of genoside.Where isthe moral law giver in it?"
God is not subject to the same morals as humans in the same way the government is not subject to its own laws.The government can declare war on another nation while an individiual cannot.Sames goes for punishing offenders of the law.Citizens cant take the law into their own hands
And there is no genocide.God killed evil nations not because of their ethnicity but bc of their evil.Rahab repented and was spared
Wow, you need to be told that killing an ethnic group is wrong? The fundamental principle there is that acting against your own species is not as good as acting in the benefit of your species.
Nobody should have to tell you what 1+1 equals, that is really easy to test for yourself.
If there is an absolute moral law, what happened to slavery? What happened to the scripture that explained the process of selling your daughter into slavery?
Humans make moral laws, humans say Hitler was wrong. If you need a make believe man in the sky to make you be good then I'm glad you believe in him. I don't need a god to tell me what's right and wrong I know it for myself.
Morals come from the golden rule: treat others the way you want to be treated. You have to lead by example. If you go around killing people you can't expect your victims families to show too much sympathy. If you want to survive you have to act accordingly. Self preservation is natural. No god necessary.
@DylanWOWilliams Yes the golden rule is in the bible. So what? People have been around long before the bible was written and they got along just fine before the bible. On what do I base how i want to be treated? On myself. It is natural to look after ones self interests. And no this nature of self preservation does not come from a god. No god necessary unfortunately.
@FATBIRD333 Ok, you live in a very blessed land where you get to look after yourself, what about in Uganda where everyone looks out for each other and worship God for who he is not what he's done? I mean sure, it's easy to say it's natural, where did that natural need come from? Why don't we eat out babies like dogs? It's just an interesting thought.
@DylanWOWilliams By looking after your neighbors and strangers you are ultimately helping yourself. You would hope that the good you do for your neighbors is returned to you when you are in a time of need. I'm not sure what you are trying to make clear by bringing up Uganda and their method of worship. The natural need came about naturally. I don't know how to make that any more clearer. In order for a species to survive they have to reproduce. You can't reproduce if you're dead.
not every thing is right or wrong, you would probably considered poking a baby with a sharp piece of metal wrong. but what if you are giving the baby a life saving injection? is it then wrong to poke a baby with a sharp piece of metal or is it right, or is it just subjective?
Seriously? Im embarassed for you girl. There is so much wrong, with what you have said it actually hurts my head. I wont bother listing the many holes in your assine ramblings. Do some research and think before you look and sound so ridiculous.
Ok then why not list at least one? Bc you are an unbeliever and as such you are a child of darkness and truth and debate are your enemies. If you disagree, please dont make a fool of yourself with another rant but rather engage me in debate. You really could use a good ass whoopin. ...no offense.
Hitler was catholic and suffered no condemnation from the church. Please feel free to try 10:28 for yourself and let us all see your immortal soul set free. You have nothing to fear so I'm told. Matthew 10:28 I believe.
God created the evil in the world,its even says that in the bible,if he can create evil then how is he pure love pure good? thats like asking someone to find salt in a bag of sugar.
Where did u get this idea? If it was from Isaiah 45.7 then you know little of textual analysis. The word "ra" can mean either moral evil or natural disaster. THe NIV translates it the latter. Further, evil is not a thing but the absence of a thing, namely the absence of good. So it can be created.
Can god create a rock so large and heavy that even he cant lift it? Its a yes or no question, no matter what your answer is you admit there is something he cannot do.
@DaAlphaOmega "Can god create a rock so large and heavy that even he cant lift it?" HAR HAR HAR good try dummass. That's basic philosophy where they describe a contradictory statement and explain that it has no value in discussion. You think you're funny don't you?
You are worryingly dumb. Your arguments don't hold up but you believe they do because you only inspect them as far as you inspect your faith.
Just start with your first premise 1: Every law has a law giver. Really? No-one gave me the "moral law" that I generally do not wish to harm others, it's innate and throughout cultures. But you jump straight to "if 1 and 2 are true then 3...". And to explain its "truth" you talk about written legislation and legislature (!!). So weak! Wake up!
@matetotally "No-one gave me the "moral law" that I generally do not wish to harm others, it's innate and throughout cultures" Thanks for proving God and objective morality.
you say that the nazis are wrong but hundreds even thousands said they are right and most maybe even all believed in somekind of god for their morals even god says that if you do not obey or believe they are to be put to death so your morals say since i am an atheist i am to be put to death because i dont believe in what you do this is what hitler was doing so look at your morals and his and sit there and think for once
It's weird how Atheists argue religion, and do not argue faith. Why do Atheists bother arguing the imperfection of man made institutions - they are of course imperfect. God is WAAAY beyond your understanding Atheists... just admit it and be free of your burdens [a.k.a. demons]. Your small minds cannot grasp the vast and nuanced concepts of a universal intelligence - the creative master of the universe.
@RTistAngel Yeah the universal intelligence, who let humans write a book for him knowing full well that there would be numerous copying and translation errors, along with major revisions of the content. Not only that, he knew that there were other holy books with the same credibility and knew that this would lead into conflicts wich in turn would result into millions of deaths.
Yep, he must be a genius, my puny atheist brain cant compete with that logic.
Her premises and conclusions in the description are true; humans have a moral law, and humans have made said moral law; humans have moral obligations, and we are obligated to each other.
"Behold, I am coming quickly"- That's what she said.
The concept of morality is entirely human. It doesn't prove in ANY way the existence of God or anything supernatural. There is NO moral law. You need to think outside your little selfish, arrogant box. The Universe isn't centered on us. Your logic is invalid and ridiculous in many ways. Moreover if you need the fear of punishment in order to be good, you are a weak and entirely egoistic person. Here's an advice: use less makeup and more THINKING before you upload dumb videos like this.
There is no inherent law of morality for us. Each person has their own definition of morality which is based on his or her life experience and their individual biochemistry. We all agree Hitler was wrong, because his view of morality clearly hurts people. This is not rocket science.
A good person knows that it's wrong to kill. A fucked up person doesn't care. Its chemicals and wiring, not god. A whale morns the loss of life...does that mean that there is a whale god?
I'm happy for you that you have found blissful ignorance, but PLEASE, do not reproduce or teach. I do not want you influencing a future generation in your brand of creationist ideals...
Don't try to convince me that there is a god and I won't prove you wrong!
Considering the number of genocides committed by Christians (including the Holocaust) and other theists, the moral standards that say that Hitler was wrong obviously didn't come from the Bible.
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
- Adolf Hitler
Hitler was a catholic, he was enforcing the bigotry of the bible.
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
- Adolf Hitler
Hitler was a catholic. He was enforcing the bigotry of the bible you ignorant fucking theists.
The tribespeople in modern Africa who are committing genocide believe that they are justified in doing so, the ancient vikings believed you could only get into paradise by dying in combat and were completely fine with the slaughter of noncombatants. Even the "chosen people" of the bible were encouraged to commit genocide by your Moral Law Giver. There is no proof of a universal morality, because we, as individuals and societies, construct these laws ourselves. Take some classes and get educated.
@unnamedenemy9 Addendum: Even if this argument could be considered valid, you could just as easily substitute your crucifix for a mjollnir pendant or a hindu icon -- or even a cthulhu plushy -- and it would remain unchanged (except possibly with cthulhu, since he is an alien deity of madness and doom and thus unfettered by morals). Your argument thus also lacks any proof that the "Law Giver" is actually YOUR particular version, so it fails twice to prove the point you want it to make
omg this chisk is so stupid first off cut the horror bullshit at the beginning 2ndly your belief that someone had to make moral laws is flawed humans are instictively born knowing to not eat other humans if there is a cow next to you you've based this opinion on no evidence and its ppl like you that throw out all logic that keep mankind from further evolving
Hey Kristina, I challenge you to watch some arguments against all religion by Christopher Hitchens. Logical and crystal clear, it may open your eyes to reality. p.s. download some new music for your next video the tracks on this one are shit.
I love the part where you regurgitated quotes from out dated myths.. Wait they're not out-dated anymore they made a new testament to cover up a few loop holes lmao.
Yup, great Christian morals: God sponsored slavery, raping and pillaging, genocide, killing of children, thought crime and on and on. How can there be a moral authority if morals are constantly evolving?
1. Every Law has a law giver; Fair enuff, no problem there. 2 there is a moral law: and there is the fail, there is no moral law. If there was, we wouldnt have figured out that its wrong to send kids into coal mines in ONLY the last 150 years. (and there are many other examples of the lack of moral laws in human history) so point 3. there must be a moral law giver, is invalid. So wrap your brain around this, What if Hiter and Jesus were BOTH WRONG?
Your argument is logically valid, but it has two major holes.
One - I see no evidence of an objective moral law. In fact, it is self evident in your own argument that there is none - you cite Hitler as being obviously in the wrong, yet clearly he did not consider his actions to be wrong. There was no moral law written into his heart, so the argument that we all have such a law is absurd on its face.
Second, if there were a "moral lawgiver" it could as easily be humanity itself, or nature.
I am fucked up the spelling Robber not Robby lamo, but the preference is the same, people who studied social animals now for many decades have come up with a very defined theories and detailed experiments showing in other primates and many other social animals what anyone would call moral code.We have morals because we evolved as pack animals only with the group have humans survived, and thrived, you have to get along, not screw everyone in the tribe or else you will be kicked and be lion food!
So I buy a puppy, I raise the puppy, and it grows into a Dog that loves me, one day a robby comes into my house, its the Dog who attacks the robby who had a Gun, the dog is than killed but it thus protected and possibly saved my life. So how does the Dog know what is Moral? Do Dogs have a Moral Law and if So where is the Dog Bible? The actually answer is Dogs are pack animals, social animals like people are, and all social animals have to act in the interests of the Group to survive, No Laws
Your premise is flawed,the is no need for a law giver.
See the law of gravity,the law of diminishing returns and the laws of motion.
There is evidence and its growing that morality and altruisim exsist in the animal kingdom,so you can either accept that we are higher animals with a natural and non god given morality,or you can say that god has given all creation an inate morality,in which case whats so special about mankind from gods point of view?
Aw, shit, not the idiotic watchmaker argument again. Hell even ANSWERS IN GENESIS has it listed as one of their "Top 10 Arguments Creationists Should Never Use" it's THAT flawed.
1. What law? Physics, moral "law" or civil or commercial law.
2. There is no moral law. Even in batshit USA there is no law governing morals. There are laws made by men about women's bodies however disguised as morality.
@jjaus Have anyone of these christians ever read any of the crap the Romans did for like centuries, that moral code writting on the hearts of actual christians, I guess is the reason why they went to african and randomly beat the fuck out of him, tied the up in boats in such bad conditions most died before they came to the new world, we they than forced them for a few hundred years to pick mostly cotton by hand which is not fun. Lets not forget all the raping, beating, and hanging great law.
@mikeymikemikey1 Silent means to be totally silent. Quite means making little or no noise. I know they are almost the same but they do have subtle differences that brings a slightly different outcome of the message. Anyways he can't blast that scripture without remembering the golden rule; treat others how you wanna be treated. It should be blatantly obvious how he wants others to treat him... If he's doesn't follow that scripture then he has no right to quote the others.
@sk8ingwillkillme wow you must have been annoying in school, you mean when the teacher tells you to keep quiet you carry on talking. Anyway the scripture is quiet clear in it's ill intentions, religion voids the golden rule when it believes it's actions are in the name of justice.
@mikeymikemikey1 Your arrogance prevails you. I never talked much at all, my teachers really liked me cuz of it. Also I was respectable to others. I suppose that depends on which scripture you are focusing on. True Christianity never voids the golden rule. Don't you remember what Jesus Christ said the greatest commandments were? Christ did not sacrifice himself for no reason, for if the old testament was absolute then there would have been pretty much no point.. Am I correct?
@IMONAMADTING1 So your arrogance got you too then.. lol it made you think huh? I was never really good at english but words are given to me. I actually had to look up prevails before I used it cuz it's not a word I'd use normally. But it seems well suited for this case.
@IMONAMADTING1 Who are you to declare who is smarter anyways? This isn't a competition. Every individual is special, check the finger prints bro, please see this. Hard evidence of GOD is all around you within the design He created. Christ is the light, way and the life
@sk8ingwillkillme glad you agree quiet and silent can mean the same thing, therefore a pointless observation.
You mean a all knowing, an always been and all perfect God said something that is wrong! this is blasphemy burn in hell. So basically you are the person using human rights act to avoid the law even when you or someone has done something wrong, because you think that law trumps all.
@mikeymikemikey1 They don't mean the exact same thing. U straight overlooked my point. Man wrote the scripture. Please don't condemn yourself like that, u know little what u r talking about and r being very careless here. The law is written in the ten commandments. The law is written in the life of Jesus Christ. "you think that law trumps all" Yes commandments do, GOD didn't directly instruct us those laws for no reason. Its been stated some commandments are greater then others.
@sk8ingwillkillme exactly man wrote the scripture and all of it. So how do you know it's the word of God? even the commandments, laws that have been in place long before, how do you know they are Gods words? It was written in a book by a man.
@mikeymikemikey1 Because I have come to better understand GOD and I can see many of it is His Word. Some just interpret differently, but you must always remember the context in which the message is being portrayed. You know it yourself in your heart that the ten commandments are correct. Those laws have been written in all of our hearts if you've read the bible not. There is much divine wisdom in the bible that is truly valuable.
@mikeymikemikey1 I follow Christ and listen to all the scriptures in context and understand the value of each. There are many more valuable then others. It gets made pretty clear in various parts where GOD really wanted us to listen to some most important values.
You have no proof of you God, yet you think man's years of evolution making you understand acting alone isn't beneficial, as many animals have learnt, is the evidence of God.
To be given free will means we can't possibly know right from wrong until you are told yet somehow every civilisation creates similar laws and rules. So how did the native Americans know right from wrote, how did the Chinese, and the Europeans before Christianity etc...
@mikeymikemikey1 I have all the proof I could ever really need for myself to believe. You have no idea how long man has truly been evolving.. Animals probably get their instincts from the Creator. We have the free will to obey or not. The ten commandments were wrote a very long time ago and those laws have always been written in everyone hearts to start with. Christ brings the most advanced moral system possible. He shows us the will of the Father.
@sk8ingwillkillme well it takes more than 6000 thousand years to evolve, which is how old Christians believe the world is, Human civilisations have existed in Australia over 40 000 to prove that idea wrong.
free will voids them of knowing whether they are right or wrong so without guidance why did they follow them? besides 4 of commands are only praise and respect me (your God), many break that one why didn't god not put that in the instinct. And 10 covers 7, 8 and 9 why repeat?
@mikeymikemikey1 That is not what most christians believe. Humans have existed for probably 100,000 years. You know deep down what's wrong from right. I've told you truths, you make the choice.
They do believe it is 6000 years old, they don't believe in evolution, They believe dinosaurs are god's decorations, stories of floods, magic babies, talking bushes, resurrection, etc. if you don't believe in half of this crap well at least that's something.
I dread to think what the views are on such thinks as Anencephaly, ichthyosis, Conjoined twins etc. what does god has against these babies. what about tourette's, trichotillomania, OCD etc. are these punitive too.
@mikeymikemikey1 I suppose that's what others have told you and it's 'popular' belief to think a christian might think that way but that's not the case. The ones who take the bible way too literal as the total absolute word of GOD possibly carries those beliefs, which is half of the christian population. I believe in all of it, we've just different ways of interpretation.
How can you believe a God can install morals yet not create each human healthy enough to exercise them. What about psychopathy, why create people without a perception of morals at all. Why Asperger syndrome, people that basically incapable of social interaction.
What's your interpretation of that? Seems to me you just want believe in what ever makes you happy, rather than a wish to understand.
@mikeymikemikey1 GOD'S creation/plan is intricate. He has His reasons for why. My friends older brother is autistic but he is smart and a good person. Yeah he is different but so what? How can you say he isn't happier being the person he has become? What about savants? They are practically gifts to humanity that finally people are just know starting to understand better. They are like miracles, proving how peoples brains don't have to work just like ours to in order to be gifted
@sk8ingwillkillme I use to try to believe in only what makes me happy but GOD showed me how wrong I was. I didn't wanna believe the devil or hell was real... but through my own experiences I know now that they both are very real.
@sk8ingwillkillme How ignore of you, the condition presents worse in others. If he was capable of picking whether to be autistic or not, I'm sure he would pick not.
Harlequin-type ichthyosis results in death at a young age what was that plan?, psychopathy can lead to extreme violence what was that plan?
FOP what a horrible condition that a person can suffer from a young age.
Why create diseases for animals, what is the point in that they don't learn anything or go to heaven do they.
@mikeymikemikey1 But we don't always choose what's best... The condition is usually worse in others cuz my friend explained to me how much hard work is needed to raise them correctly. The ones whom you say have worse conditions can most of the time be because they were either abandoned or poorly cared for. They need a lot of love to develop well. Yes it is sad some young suffer like that here but not as horrible as an eternity in hell.
1:00 that`s just so ambigous
livingisdieing27 25 minutes ago
I hope this is a joke. If not though, moral law does not freaking exist. Conditioning exists, and we're conditioned from birth. Genetics exist. Social norms exist. None of these require a God to create or uphold them. They need a state, with a shit load of Guns. Oh look, that's exactly what we have. If it was moral LAW that bound us, it would be objective and public. But it's not. It's subjective. That means it has no evidence, or grounds. Thus, NOT a law.
christophcooneyoff 36 minutes ago
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imewompa 1 hour ago
If you want to argue that Hitler was not religious then that is fine, the reasons he and his followers did what they did was out of Ideology, coincidently Ideology is something that religion has and Atheism lacks, meaning as an atheist I idolise/worship nobody, as a theist you Idolise/worship your deity.
So I am all for "attacking" Ideology, which is what drove the Nazi's but as I just said Ideology has no place in Atheism but ironically it is the corner stone of Religion and Theism.
LogicalStatements3 2 hours ago
Here's the almighty question: If you can't tell the difference between right and wrong, then how can you know that your god is doing right? on the other hand, If you can tell right from wrong... well that answers my question :)
agentdark64 3 hours ago
There's no such thing as a moral law.
Morals: one concerning what is right or prudent, that can be derived from a story, a piece of information, or an experience.
Hitlers morals was to rid the world of the jewish population and etc.
Morals do not have to be good, and they are derived from your environment, and how you go through life. Rational people early on discover that killing people is bad, because of the environment they're brought up in saying that murder and killing is bad. Idiot.
DerpingProductions 8 hours ago
I bet that you are a good head giver..was it as good for you as it was for me
fringeless 9 hours ago
The moral law circular logic is circular logic is... is fallacious. It proposes that one is clearly unable themselves to determine right from wrong. However, that said, the world over, regardless of religion or belief, killing someone is a big no no.
Besides, which is more moral. Knowing right from wrong and simply not doing it or being told right from wrong and not doing it for fear of reprisal?
AlphaDogmatist 11 hours ago
Hm, Hitler was a devout roman catholic following the teachings of SAINT MELITO of Sardis. Vatican Cities formation was due in part, to Hitler.
He believed that the jews killed jesus and were therefore he was doing gods will.
Gott Mit Uns was on every nazi belt buckle (God with Us).
I know you christians don't like hearing it, but the holocaust is without a doubt christian baggage.
Evil men do evil things, good men do good things, but for good men to do evil things, that takes religion.
AlphaDogmatist 11 hours ago
@AlphaDogmatist
Vatican city was formed by Mussolini who was an ally of Hitler. How about those good atheists like Stalin and Mao? Communism according to Karl Marx is necessarily atheistic.
BenjaminWirtz 3 hours ago
Morals are not laws, they are interpretations.
diehardwalnut 11 hours ago
@diehardwalnut
In that case my interpretation that rape and murder are good who are you to say otherwise?
BenjaminWirtz 3 hours ago
Old Testament, God ordered the Israelites to wipe out entire groups of people. To rip their children from their wombs. 1 Samuel 15: 2-3 is but an example. So, if Hitler had been commanded by God to commit his crimes, then they would've been ok?
Waywardpaladin 11 hours ago
Hey this is good, All the people who want to make excuses, stop being stubborn, you will have to account for the wrong you have done, there is no getting around that, Just ask the savior for forgiveness, and ask for strength to change, you have so much fun feeding the flesh but I tell you the truth when you are judged you will wish you could have changed when you had the chance.
SteampunkGrowl 12 hours ago
The Moral Law Giver is your fucking brain. Your brain tells you right from wrong. Let me break this down for you since apparently you have no common sense:
If you do something bad, you feel bad. You don't want to bad.
If you do something good, you feel good. You want to feel good.
You don't need a god to tell you what's right and what's wrong. The moral codes given in religion are very basic human instinct of social interactions.
Dirf119 12 hours ago
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"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so."
-Adolf Hitler, 1941
chialiwa 12 hours ago
I let you ride my hung uncut hard penis if you promise to shut up.
Konicava 12 hours ago
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Okay, so, explain this to me: If there is morally objectionable parts of your bible, and christians just cherry pick what they want, a la, all the good bits, and disregard the murder, rape, genocide, and baby smashing from the bible, does this not indicate that morality does not stem from your magical sky jew, but from a basic moral standard that is inherent in humans?
DarthAnubis1138 13 hours ago
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Okay, so, explain this to me: If there is morally objectionable parts of your bible, and christians just cherry pick what they want, a la, all the good bits, and disregard the murder, rape, genocide, and baby smashing from the bible, does this not indicate that morality does not stem from your magical sky jew, but from a basic moral standard that is inherent in humans?
DarthAnubis1138 13 hours ago
Okay, so, explain this to me: If there is morally objectionable parts of your bible, and christians just cherry pick what they want, a la, all the good bits, and disregard the murder, rape, genocide, and baby smashing from the bible, does this not indicate that morality does not stem from your magical sky jew, but from a basic moral standard that is inherent in humans?
DarthAnubis1138 13 hours ago
Secular morality: Everyone's opinion matters, better opinions are shared by more people. Discussion is never over.
Religious morality: Might makes right. Just obey rules so you can be rewarded or avoid punishment. Discussion over.
Staunts 15 hours ago
I was going to respond, but I looked at the date of the video and decided that it wouldn't do any good. She is probably in her first year of college by now, and has most likely gained experience with the world and may now consider this video as an embarrassment.
1. Yes, laws require a law giver.
2. No, there is no objective morality.
3. We as humans make our own laws.
StickInMudd 17 hours ago
lmao been a long time since i've seen someone this stupid... and i'm only 13!
itsraininglool 18 hours ago
This bitch is brain dead.
TreeSmoke1999 19 hours ago
FAIL! You're lucky you still have your looks. Oh who am I kidding; looks aren't everything.
RexFut 20 hours ago
Hitler was a Catholic.
RussellLawliet 21 hours ago 22
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This is irrelevant to belief in God/Jesus and indicative of atheist noncritical thinking and deceptive agenda
1. Hitler was a propoganda expert
2. He exploited german belief in God ot motivate allegiance to himself
3. The bible and Jesus are not anti Jewish
4. The Roman Cath ch. is a false teaching and a false accursed entity
5. Hitler and the RCC repesent Satan and not Jesus
j919or 14 hours ago
@RussellLawliet
at some points he claimed to be at others he disavowed it and saw the Catholics as being inferior but not as much as the Jews.
BenjaminWirtz 3 hours ago
@RussellLawliet No he was not. He had to manipulate and appeal to a largely xtian society, and more importantly his allies in Italy to gain power. You obviously do not know anything about Hitler, or anything about Nietzsche, who was a huge inspiration to the Nazi ideology. You know Nietzsche the man who is famous for his hypothesis that "God is Dead". They believed morality was strictly biological and had nothing to do with any religion in any shape or form.
Jermanian88 2 hours ago
hitler was catholic, idiot
WWETHEMONSTER 22 hours ago
Terrible, basic Philosophy with no understanding of Universal Falsity of Theory. The largest mistake here is the assumption that there is such a thing as 'Moral Law'. It is NOT a moral obligation to help others, we are simply inclined to do so due to parental and societal encouragement. We do not purposely kill as our ancestors who did so all killed each other and so their branch of the tree ended. Homosapien-sapiens worked together as a pack and did not kill each other so we survived.
xBLUExR4NG3Rx 22 hours ago
you really think god is real? wow this is sad
stevnev88 22 hours ago
@stevnev88 You don't?... Now that's what's really sad....
sk8ingwillkillme 20 hours ago
Hitler was a Roman Catholic.
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eg0u3057 23 hours ago
your arguement proves nothing and raiding a thesaurus for jargon to insert into your debate does'nt help your case
DedlySerious 1 day ago
gotta stop following my dick
JESUStheATHEIST1 1 day ago
this must be satire.
nobody is that stupid!
mrnicemr1 1 day ago 19
@mrnicemr1 i thought the same but i think we have both just been proved wrong
DedlySerious 1 day ago
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DedlySerious 1 day ago
@mrnicemr1 Shock, Neph, Venom, and MegaSage.
drowninginferno 20 hours ago
@mrnicemr1 i pray to god, allah, jesus and jehova it was satire
daarkside 51 minutes ago
your suggesting that there is truly moral law... this is wrong. moral law is personal and is a result of upbringing and what happens to us during out life. what is moral to one person isnt necceseraly moral to another person. E.G. killing is immoral to many people around the world but to me death and killing is part of our lives, we must kill to survive weather its for food or to protect yourself.
scottwolf666999 1 day ago
I would like her to have a hillbilly accent, it would make the video a lot more fun.
Bodysmoker 1 day ago
I'll just say this:
What can be created without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
foojuice101 1 day ago
ehhhh..... dont fear me. in a week or so ill be over to your house to slit your throat.
k?
k.
MrSporeowns 1 day ago
shes a witch burn her
dixienormasXXL 1 day ago
@dixienormasXXL the bible says so ..
MMAPANACHE 17 hours ago
Your first premise is wrong. So there goes your conclusion.
joavim 1 day ago
Terrible. For SO many reasons.
easyas314 1 day ago
The bible has lots of genoside. Where is the moral law giver in it?
QUIETONE9999 1 day ago
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@QUIETONE9999 "The bible has lots of genoside.Where isthe moral law giver in it?"
God is not subject to the same morals as humans in the same way the government is not subject to its own laws.The government can declare war on another nation while an individiual cannot.Sames goes for punishing offenders of the law.Citizens cant take the law into their own hands
And there is no genocide.God killed evil nations not because of their ethnicity but bc of their evil.Rahab repented and was spared
j919or 14 hours ago
Wow, you need to be told that killing an ethnic group is wrong? The fundamental principle there is that acting against your own species is not as good as acting in the benefit of your species.
Nobody should have to tell you what 1+1 equals, that is really easy to test for yourself.
If there is an absolute moral law, what happened to slavery? What happened to the scripture that explained the process of selling your daughter into slavery?
Still there?
rynther 1 day ago
Humans make moral laws, humans say Hitler was wrong. If you need a make believe man in the sky to make you be good then I'm glad you believe in him. I don't need a god to tell me what's right and wrong I know it for myself.
85jacob85 1 day ago
Morals come from the golden rule: treat others the way you want to be treated. You have to lead by example. If you go around killing people you can't expect your victims families to show too much sympathy. If you want to survive you have to act accordingly. Self preservation is natural. No god necessary.
FATBIRD333 1 day ago
@FATBIRD333 So, never mind that this is in the bible. But, as C.S. Lewis said it best.
What do you base how you want to be treated on?
DylanWOWilliams 1 day ago
@DylanWOWilliams Yes the golden rule is in the bible. So what? People have been around long before the bible was written and they got along just fine before the bible. On what do I base how i want to be treated? On myself. It is natural to look after ones self interests. And no this nature of self preservation does not come from a god. No god necessary unfortunately.
FATBIRD333 18 hours ago
@FATBIRD333 Ok, you live in a very blessed land where you get to look after yourself, what about in Uganda where everyone looks out for each other and worship God for who he is not what he's done? I mean sure, it's easy to say it's natural, where did that natural need come from? Why don't we eat out babies like dogs? It's just an interesting thought.
DylanWOWilliams 15 hours ago
@DylanWOWilliams By looking after your neighbors and strangers you are ultimately helping yourself. You would hope that the good you do for your neighbors is returned to you when you are in a time of need. I'm not sure what you are trying to make clear by bringing up Uganda and their method of worship. The natural need came about naturally. I don't know how to make that any more clearer. In order for a species to survive they have to reproduce. You can't reproduce if you're dead.
FATBIRD333 12 hours ago
@DylanWOWilliams And explain to me the "Why don't we eat out babies like dogs?" I'm not sure what you are asking about.
FATBIRD333 12 hours ago
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The Evidence isnt Scientific.... So no proof?
superkulhaidman 1 day ago
If the first and second premise are true, it does not necessarily follow that the conclusion in valid.
1. Lois Lane thinks Superman is sexy.
2. Lois Lane thinks Clark Kent is not sexy.
3. Therefore, Superman is not Clark Kent.
Learn basic philosophy before you base your moral system on fictional work.
TheAlecMcleod 1 day ago
not every thing is right or wrong, you would probably considered poking a baby with a sharp piece of metal wrong. but what if you are giving the baby a life saving injection? is it then wrong to poke a baby with a sharp piece of metal or is it right, or is it just subjective?
luked22225 1 day ago
Seriously? Im embarassed for you girl. There is so much wrong, with what you have said it actually hurts my head. I wont bother listing the many holes in your assine ramblings. Do some research and think before you look and sound so ridiculous.
Rebeccalisious 1 day ago
@Rebeccalisious " I wont bother listing the many holes "
Ok then why not list at least one? Bc you are an unbeliever and as such you are a child of darkness and truth and debate are your enemies. If you disagree, please dont make a fool of yourself with another rant but rather engage me in debate. You really could use a good ass whoopin. ...no offense.
j919or 14 hours ago
Hitler was catholic and suffered no condemnation from the church. Please feel free to try 10:28 for yourself and let us all see your immortal soul set free. You have nothing to fear so I'm told. Matthew 10:28 I believe.
socioeconomicsisshit 1 day ago
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@socioeconomicsisshit "Hitler was catholic and suffered no condemnation from the church" You're a liar. Are you a Christian?
MaximusArurealius 1 day ago
Hitler was religious btw
DaAlphaOmega 1 day ago
@DaAlphaOmega in the begging read up on em bud
66Fallout66Man66 1 day ago
God created the evil in the world,its even says that in the bible,if he can create evil then how is he pure love pure good? thats like asking someone to find salt in a bag of sugar.
DaAlphaOmega 1 day ago
@DaAlphaOmega ""God created the evil ""
Where did u get this idea? If it was from Isaiah 45.7 then you know little of textual analysis. The word "ra" can mean either moral evil or natural disaster. THe NIV translates it the latter. Further, evil is not a thing but the absence of a thing, namely the absence of good. So it can be created.
j919or 14 hours ago
who taught you this your mommy? your preist? the bible? your brainwashed! Religion does not have a monopoly on morality.
DaAlphaOmega 1 day ago
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@DaAlphaOmega "Religion does not have a monopoly on morality" So far I've never seen an atheist prove this.
PWNED FOR BULLSHIT
MaximusArurealius 1 day ago
Can god create a rock so large and heavy that even he cant lift it? Its a yes or no question, no matter what your answer is you admit there is something he cannot do.
DaAlphaOmega 1 day ago
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@DaAlphaOmega "Can god create a rock so large and heavy that even he cant lift it?" HAR HAR HAR good try dummass. That's basic philosophy where they describe a contradictory statement and explain that it has no value in discussion. You think you're funny don't you?
Way to go DUNCE BOY,
OWNED
MaximusArurealius 1 day ago
@DaAlphaOmega yes.
minesele 1 day ago
1: if god exists, then why are you so retarded?
2: law giver=social structure(in dumbdumb terms, we made the laws) learn 2 human
3: bible promotes slavery, why do you then claim it's wrong? when god himself told the people to do it? also, murdering homosexuals, and a lot more.
4: jesus was killed by the jews, so you should think the holocaust was justified, the pope did.
i don't think slavery, murder and the holocaust is right, but your religion clearly states it is, if you had learned to read
Devoti 1 day ago
You are worryingly dumb. Your arguments don't hold up but you believe they do because you only inspect them as far as you inspect your faith.
Just start with your first premise 1: Every law has a law giver. Really? No-one gave me the "moral law" that I generally do not wish to harm others, it's innate and throughout cultures. But you jump straight to "if 1 and 2 are true then 3...". And to explain its "truth" you talk about written legislation and legislature (!!). So weak! Wake up!
matetotally 1 day ago
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@matetotally "No-one gave me the "moral law" that I generally do not wish to harm others, it's innate and throughout cultures" Thanks for proving God and objective morality.
PWNED
MaximusArurealius 1 day ago
you say that the nazis are wrong but hundreds even thousands said they are right and most maybe even all believed in somekind of god for their morals even god says that if you do not obey or believe they are to be put to death so your morals say since i am an atheist i am to be put to death because i dont believe in what you do this is what hitler was doing so look at your morals and his and sit there and think for once
rawfodog35 1 day ago
you have to be brainless, but that doesn't matter. you have tits...
Stewie533 1 day ago
I can hear you speaking, but your lips aren't moving and your brain isn't thinking.
CasualTS 1 day ago
I can totally see her becoming a pornstar.
MrMegaigg 1 day ago
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@MrMegaigg LOL, I'd buy that for dollar.
thesparitan 1 day ago
i met jesus once, but then i caught him cheating at cards. so i punched him in the face
gazoopi 1 day ago
It's weird how Atheists argue religion, and do not argue faith. Why do Atheists bother arguing the imperfection of man made institutions - they are of course imperfect. God is WAAAY beyond your understanding Atheists... just admit it and be free of your burdens [a.k.a. demons]. Your small minds cannot grasp the vast and nuanced concepts of a universal intelligence - the creative master of the universe.
RTistAngel 1 day ago
@RTistAngel Yeah the universal intelligence, who let humans write a book for him knowing full well that there would be numerous copying and translation errors, along with major revisions of the content. Not only that, he knew that there were other holy books with the same credibility and knew that this would lead into conflicts wich in turn would result into millions of deaths.
Yep, he must be a genius, my puny atheist brain cant compete with that logic.
blackman6270 1 day ago
I think evil (chaos) and God (logos) coexist as they do for individuation and ego to exist.
JNathanK2011 1 day ago
Mother of endless stupidity...
MATANUI720 1 day ago
Her premises and conclusions in the description are true; humans have a moral law, and humans have made said moral law; humans have moral obligations, and we are obligated to each other.
"Behold, I am coming quickly"- That's what she said.
RebelWrestler45 1 day ago
The concept of morality is entirely human. It doesn't prove in ANY way the existence of God or anything supernatural. There is NO moral law. You need to think outside your little selfish, arrogant box. The Universe isn't centered on us. Your logic is invalid and ridiculous in many ways. Moreover if you need the fear of punishment in order to be good, you are a weak and entirely egoistic person. Here's an advice: use less makeup and more THINKING before you upload dumb videos like this.
GmRebelliousV 1 day ago
This dumb bitch deleted my response. Just shows how mentally weak she truly is I guess.
hulktidumo 1 day ago 20
Don't forget - Hitler was a christian. A good German christian who broke no laws at all.
TheBradbuzan 1 day ago
Let me summarize her argument: How can you be a good a good person without a god to be afraid of?
bishop8000 1 day ago
There is no inherent law of morality for us. Each person has their own definition of morality which is based on his or her life experience and their individual biochemistry. We all agree Hitler was wrong, because his view of morality clearly hurts people. This is not rocket science.
RileyInTheBox 1 day ago
Was Hitler wrong about what?
dankartes 1 day ago
A good person knows that it's wrong to kill. A fucked up person doesn't care. Its chemicals and wiring, not god. A whale morns the loss of life...does that mean that there is a whale god?
I'm happy for you that you have found blissful ignorance, but PLEASE, do not reproduce or teach. I do not want you influencing a future generation in your brand of creationist ideals...
Don't try to convince me that there is a god and I won't prove you wrong!
Mr1000poundgorilla 1 day ago
Considering the number of genocides committed by Christians (including the Holocaust) and other theists, the moral standards that say that Hitler was wrong obviously didn't come from the Bible.
splumer 1 day ago
your using alot of pretty big words to show us your dumb as fuck.
omari379 2 days ago
Sorry but this video is ridiculously retarded...i cant wait till people like you die off
AlexGriff24 2 days ago
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
- Adolf Hitler
Hitler was a catholic, he was enforcing the bigotry of the bible.
mechanicmike69 2 days ago
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
- Adolf Hitler
Hitler was a catholic. He was enforcing the bigotry of the bible you ignorant fucking theists.
mechanicmike69 2 days ago
Women Will Never Teach or Have Authority Over Men"I permit no woman to teach or have authority over men; she is to keep silent." Timothy 2:11
Fucking theists don't even follow their own rules.
mechanicmike69 2 days ago
1 + 1 is not 587239
therefor i can fly
ThePimV 2 days ago 25
Hitler was a Catholic...
LedZeppelin630 2 days ago
The tribespeople in modern Africa who are committing genocide believe that they are justified in doing so, the ancient vikings believed you could only get into paradise by dying in combat and were completely fine with the slaughter of noncombatants. Even the "chosen people" of the bible were encouraged to commit genocide by your Moral Law Giver. There is no proof of a universal morality, because we, as individuals and societies, construct these laws ourselves. Take some classes and get educated.
unnamedenemy9 2 days ago
@unnamedenemy9 Addendum: Even if this argument could be considered valid, you could just as easily substitute your crucifix for a mjollnir pendant or a hindu icon -- or even a cthulhu plushy -- and it would remain unchanged (except possibly with cthulhu, since he is an alien deity of madness and doom and thus unfettered by morals). Your argument thus also lacks any proof that the "Law Giver" is actually YOUR particular version, so it fails twice to prove the point you want it to make
unnamedenemy9 2 days ago
There is no universal moral law.
Shortest debate ever.
marianopicco 2 days ago
omg this chisk is so stupid first off cut the horror bullshit at the beginning 2ndly your belief that someone had to make moral laws is flawed humans are instictively born knowing to not eat other humans if there is a cow next to you you've based this opinion on no evidence and its ppl like you that throw out all logic that keep mankind from further evolving
coldplay230 2 days ago
You are the stupidest women I have ever masturbated to.
raboneiam 2 days ago 21
@raboneiam
Did you also say: "Behold, I am coming quickly." YAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!
MightyJabroni 2 days ago
jesus was a minute man!
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DrCorollary 1 day ago
@raboneiam good idea...
DrCorollary 1 day ago
People are the "moral law givers". You fail.
kubush 2 days ago
Hey Kristina, I challenge you to watch some arguments against all religion by Christopher Hitchens. Logical and crystal clear, it may open your eyes to reality. p.s. download some new music for your next video the tracks on this one are shit.
oberblasm1 2 days ago
why are you dressed like a slut in heat! thats a fucking sin youre going to hell!
thrashdouche21 2 days ago
did i just see snookie make a creepy ass video?
georgio210 2 days ago
I love the part where you regurgitated quotes from out dated myths.. Wait they're not out-dated anymore they made a new testament to cover up a few loop holes lmao.
tyronelol 2 days ago
Yup, great Christian morals: God sponsored slavery, raping and pillaging, genocide, killing of children, thought crime and on and on. How can there be a moral authority if morals are constantly evolving?
aaronhapner1 2 days ago
1. Every Law has a law giver; Fair enuff, no problem there. 2 there is a moral law: and there is the fail, there is no moral law. If there was, we wouldnt have figured out that its wrong to send kids into coal mines in ONLY the last 150 years. (and there are many other examples of the lack of moral laws in human history) so point 3. there must be a moral law giver, is invalid. So wrap your brain around this, What if Hiter and Jesus were BOTH WRONG?
henchmen999 3 days ago
Your argument is logically valid, but it has two major holes.
One - I see no evidence of an objective moral law. In fact, it is self evident in your own argument that there is none - you cite Hitler as being obviously in the wrong, yet clearly he did not consider his actions to be wrong. There was no moral law written into his heart, so the argument that we all have such a law is absurd on its face.
Second, if there were a "moral lawgiver" it could as easily be humanity itself, or nature.
Parrotguy1999 3 days ago
"The evidence is not scientific- but it is just as real"
Well fuck.
KeithUnderneath 3 days ago
The first 2 premises are false, therefore the conclusion does not follow.
GIGO -> Garbage in, garbage out
Modinthalis 3 days ago
I am fucked up the spelling Robber not Robby lamo, but the preference is the same, people who studied social animals now for many decades have come up with a very defined theories and detailed experiments showing in other primates and many other social animals what anyone would call moral code.We have morals because we evolved as pack animals only with the group have humans survived, and thrived, you have to get along, not screw everyone in the tribe or else you will be kicked and be lion food!
ASexyChef 3 days ago
So I buy a puppy, I raise the puppy, and it grows into a Dog that loves me, one day a robby comes into my house, its the Dog who attacks the robby who had a Gun, the dog is than killed but it thus protected and possibly saved my life. So how does the Dog know what is Moral? Do Dogs have a Moral Law and if So where is the Dog Bible? The actually answer is Dogs are pack animals, social animals like people are, and all social animals have to act in the interests of the Group to survive, No Laws
ASexyChef 3 days ago
Your premise is flawed,the is no need for a law giver.
See the law of gravity,the law of diminishing returns and the laws of motion.
There is evidence and its growing that morality and altruisim exsist in the animal kingdom,so you can either accept that we are higher animals with a natural and non god given morality,or you can say that god has given all creation an inate morality,in which case whats so special about mankind from gods point of view?
visigothic67 3 days ago
I love Kristina cuz we both love Jesus!
sk8ingwillkillme 3 days ago
Aw, shit, not the idiotic watchmaker argument again. Hell even ANSWERS IN GENESIS has it listed as one of their "Top 10 Arguments Creationists Should Never Use" it's THAT flawed.
TomDarkwulf87 3 days ago
honestly, the begining of the video made me think i was watching a horror movie, well in a sence, i kinda am, just a really bad one
483091 3 days ago
You are so hot that I am upvoting you. I hope if you fuck me you will make me a Kristian.
wfurgeson 3 days ago
Hitler did nothing wrong...
TheAdoringfanslayer 3 days ago
Looks like someone's feeling pretty deep today. Or just slipped on a banana peel.
Muskudos 3 days ago
I made the law that pistachios are delcious. BOW DOWN TO ME!
TheDive99 3 days ago
1. What law? Physics, moral "law" or civil or commercial law.
2. There is no moral law. Even in batshit USA there is no law governing morals. There are laws made by men about women's bodies however disguised as morality.
3. There is no moral law.
4. You're a bimbo.
jjaus 3 days ago
@jjaus Have anyone of these christians ever read any of the crap the Romans did for like centuries, that moral code writting on the hearts of actual christians, I guess is the reason why they went to african and randomly beat the fuck out of him, tied the up in boats in such bad conditions most died before they came to the new world, we they than forced them for a few hundred years to pick mostly cotton by hand which is not fun. Lets not forget all the raping, beating, and hanging great law.
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"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so."
-Adolf Hitler, 1941
gcountry100 3 days ago
timothy 2:12
I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.
so STFU
daryl874 3 days ago 53
@daryl874 Don't be an asshole. It's quiet not silent. You should read some of the other parts of the bible and learn how to be respectable.
sk8ingwillkillme 3 days ago
@sk8ingwillkillme lol how does that make a difference the two words have the same meaning
mikeymikemikey1 2 days ago
@mikeymikemikey1 Silent means to be totally silent. Quite means making little or no noise. I know they are almost the same but they do have subtle differences that brings a slightly different outcome of the message. Anyways he can't blast that scripture without remembering the golden rule; treat others how you wanna be treated. It should be blatantly obvious how he wants others to treat him... If he's doesn't follow that scripture then he has no right to quote the others.
sk8ingwillkillme 2 days ago
@sk8ingwillkillme wow you must have been annoying in school, you mean when the teacher tells you to keep quiet you carry on talking. Anyway the scripture is quiet clear in it's ill intentions, religion voids the golden rule when it believes it's actions are in the name of justice.
mikeymikemikey1 2 days ago
@mikeymikemikey1 Your arrogance prevails you. I never talked much at all, my teachers really liked me cuz of it. Also I was respectable to others. I suppose that depends on which scripture you are focusing on. True Christianity never voids the golden rule. Don't you remember what Jesus Christ said the greatest commandments were? Christ did not sacrifice himself for no reason, for if the old testament was absolute then there would have been pretty much no point.. Am I correct?
sk8ingwillkillme 2 days ago
@sk8ingwillkillme I read "Your arrogance prevails you." .. and i thought - shut up nerd.
IMONAMADTING1 2 days ago
@IMONAMADTING1 So your arrogance got you too then.. lol it made you think huh? I was never really good at english but words are given to me. I actually had to look up prevails before I used it cuz it's not a word I'd use normally. But it seems well suited for this case.
sk8ingwillkillme 2 days ago
@sk8ingwillkillme Seriously. Anyone smarter than you can see that you are only TRYING to look clever. You are not special. Understand this.
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@IMONAMADTING1 Who are you to declare who is smarter anyways? This isn't a competition. Every individual is special, check the finger prints bro, please see this. Hard evidence of GOD is all around you within the design He created. Christ is the light, way and the life
sk8ingwillkillme 2 days ago
@sk8ingwillkillme glad you agree quiet and silent can mean the same thing, therefore a pointless observation.
You mean a all knowing, an always been and all perfect God said something that is wrong! this is blasphemy burn in hell. So basically you are the person using human rights act to avoid the law even when you or someone has done something wrong, because you think that law trumps all.
mikeymikemikey1 2 days ago
@mikeymikemikey1 They don't mean the exact same thing. U straight overlooked my point. Man wrote the scripture. Please don't condemn yourself like that, u know little what u r talking about and r being very careless here. The law is written in the ten commandments. The law is written in the life of Jesus Christ. "you think that law trumps all" Yes commandments do, GOD didn't directly instruct us those laws for no reason. Its been stated some commandments are greater then others.
sk8ingwillkillme 1 day ago
@sk8ingwillkillme exactly man wrote the scripture and all of it. So how do you know it's the word of God? even the commandments, laws that have been in place long before, how do you know they are Gods words? It was written in a book by a man.
mikeymikemikey1 1 day ago
@mikeymikemikey1 Because I have come to better understand GOD and I can see many of it is His Word. Some just interpret differently, but you must always remember the context in which the message is being portrayed. You know it yourself in your heart that the ten commandments are correct. Those laws have been written in all of our hearts if you've read the bible not. There is much divine wisdom in the bible that is truly valuable.
sk8ingwillkillme 1 day ago
@sk8ingwillkillme So you only listen to the parts of the bible you feel are correct?
mikeymikemikey1 1 day ago
@mikeymikemikey1 I follow Christ and listen to all the scriptures in context and understand the value of each. There are many more valuable then others. It gets made pretty clear in various parts where GOD really wanted us to listen to some most important values.
sk8ingwillkillme 1 day ago
@sk8ingwillkillme
You have no proof of you God, yet you think man's years of evolution making you understand acting alone isn't beneficial, as many animals have learnt, is the evidence of God.
To be given free will means we can't possibly know right from wrong until you are told yet somehow every civilisation creates similar laws and rules. So how did the native Americans know right from wrote, how did the Chinese, and the Europeans before Christianity etc...
mikeymikemikey1 1 day ago
@mikeymikemikey1 I have all the proof I could ever really need for myself to believe. You have no idea how long man has truly been evolving.. Animals probably get their instincts from the Creator. We have the free will to obey or not. The ten commandments were wrote a very long time ago and those laws have always been written in everyone hearts to start with. Christ brings the most advanced moral system possible. He shows us the will of the Father.
sk8ingwillkillme 1 day ago
@sk8ingwillkillme well it takes more than 6000 thousand years to evolve, which is how old Christians believe the world is, Human civilisations have existed in Australia over 40 000 to prove that idea wrong.
free will voids them of knowing whether they are right or wrong so without guidance why did they follow them? besides 4 of commands are only praise and respect me (your God), many break that one why didn't god not put that in the instinct. And 10 covers 7, 8 and 9 why repeat?
mikeymikemikey1 1 day ago
@mikeymikemikey1 That is not what most christians believe. Humans have existed for probably 100,000 years. You know deep down what's wrong from right. I've told you truths, you make the choice.
sk8ingwillkillme 1 day ago
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They do believe it is 6000 years old, they don't believe in evolution, They believe dinosaurs are god's decorations, stories of floods, magic babies, talking bushes, resurrection, etc. if you don't believe in half of this crap well at least that's something.
I dread to think what the views are on such thinks as Anencephaly, ichthyosis, Conjoined twins etc. what does god has against these babies. what about tourette's, trichotillomania, OCD etc. are these punitive too.
mikeymikemikey1 1 day ago
@mikeymikemikey1 I suppose that's what others have told you and it's 'popular' belief to think a christian might think that way but that's not the case. The ones who take the bible way too literal as the total absolute word of GOD possibly carries those beliefs, which is half of the christian population. I believe in all of it, we've just different ways of interpretation.
sk8ingwillkillme 20 hours ago
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How can you believe a God can install morals yet not create each human healthy enough to exercise them. What about psychopathy, why create people without a perception of morals at all. Why Asperger syndrome, people that basically incapable of social interaction.
What's your interpretation of that? Seems to me you just want believe in what ever makes you happy, rather than a wish to understand.
mikeymikemikey1 18 hours ago
@mikeymikemikey1 GOD'S creation/plan is intricate. He has His reasons for why. My friends older brother is autistic but he is smart and a good person. Yeah he is different but so what? How can you say he isn't happier being the person he has become? What about savants? They are practically gifts to humanity that finally people are just know starting to understand better. They are like miracles, proving how peoples brains don't have to work just like ours to in order to be gifted
sk8ingwillkillme 18 hours ago
@sk8ingwillkillme I use to try to believe in only what makes me happy but GOD showed me how wrong I was. I didn't wanna believe the devil or hell was real... but through my own experiences I know now that they both are very real.
sk8ingwillkillme 18 hours ago
@sk8ingwillkillme I feel the only reason they exist though is because GOD wants to push us to become better and greater then we would have otherwise.
sk8ingwillkillme 18 hours ago
@sk8ingwillkillme How ignore of you, the condition presents worse in others. If he was capable of picking whether to be autistic or not, I'm sure he would pick not.
Harlequin-type ichthyosis results in death at a young age what was that plan?, psychopathy can lead to extreme violence what was that plan?
FOP what a horrible condition that a person can suffer from a young age.
Why create diseases for animals, what is the point in that they don't learn anything or go to heaven do they.
mikeymikemikey1 18 hours ago
@mikeymikemikey1 But we don't always choose what's best... The condition is usually worse in others cuz my friend explained to me how much hard work is needed to raise them correctly. The ones whom you say have worse conditions can most of the time be because they were either abandoned or poorly cared for. They need a lot of love to develop well. Yes it is sad some young suffer like that here but not as horrible as an eternity in hell.
sk8ingwillkillme 17 hours ago