In the early 60s a man Don Richardson&his family went to New Guinea to live with the Asmat people to learn their language&share the Gospel of Christ&the Bible. These people had both cannabalism&headhunting in their culture. In due time these people told Don that one time in their earliest history they had a monotheistic folk religion&worshipped the same God ofthe Bible but they fell into the depravity of headhunting&cannabalism later in their history. Book Eternity In Their Hearts Don Richardson
for a deity who supposedly loves everyone and wants peace for all, he sure as heck screwed up with us lot. Humanity is the greatest destroyer, more than all the species of earth combined. we've single handedly screwed over countless species, the enviroment and our own civilisation to boot. How very peaceful of us. Its not by devine law that we know whats right and wrong, its our survival instincts and common sense. Thats thanks to evolution, nothing to do with 'god'.
Everything in your arguement, and i use that term loosely for your video, is easily explainable through science, history and fact, as opposed to god which you seem to think is the answer to everything. Yes a lot of bad goes on in the world, another proof that god doesnt exist, and before you think youve proved us wrong with your 'well if god didnt tell us what is good or bad then theyd co exist without a problem' thats a pathetic response. if god did exist he wouldnt let things be so screwed up.
The sense of right and wrong is not the same for everywhere on earth, different societies have different beliefs on how things should happen. Just look at all the different religions and their rituals to get an idea of how differently people may do things,you might do something acceptable where you come from, but that action might be offensive and punishable by death somewhere else.if god supposedly created us all and is so into peace and love as people claim, then we should have one law for all
You wanna try and argue with atheists that god has to exist? try it. Answer a few questions and see how well you're mis-guided belief in a shiny bearded man on a cloud that no one has ever seen or heard from aside from false or unproven claims, against proven facts from our evolution, the scientific, historical and genetical heritage, all backed up with countless sources of proof as opposed to a single book which anyone couldve have made up.
The ideas of helping each other, caring, loving etc etc are all classed as good because they helped the tribes survive and flourish, as opposed to murder and genocide which would have doomed the tribes. Because of this evolutionary heritage, we can indeed say that hitler was wrong in what he did as genocide is never a good thing. There was no 'law giver' as you say and attempt to say that this 'law giver' is god, it was just a series of actions which helped the tribes survive that were 'good'.
As the first tribes of humans began, they had to work together in order to survive and create civilisations. Through this we had to care for one another, not just our young in order to survive, everyone in the tribe had to be looked after in order for the civilisation to flourish. Through time and further evolution, this 'moral law' becane embedded in our society and definable with the sense of right and wrong. Countless species all have similar morals and ethics. so we are not the only ones.
There are several flaws in this arguement youve tried to put forward. For starters trying to juxtapose spiritual questions alongside mathematical questions in ridiculous, thats like someone saying god has to exist because i cant turn into a spoon.'Moral law' as you call it, derives from our survival and nuturing instincts, present in the majority of life forms, mothers care for their young and know that pain can damage their young, hence we evolved with the sense that pain is a bad thing.
WHERE IS MY EVOLVED IMMORTALITY? WHERE IS MY EVOLVED IMMORTALITY? WHERE IS MY EVOLVED IMMORTALITY? WHERE IS MY EVOLVED IMMORTALITY? HMMM "EVOLVED IMMORTALITY"---SOUNDS LIKE A NAME OF SOME ROCK GROUP, LIKE THE BANANNA SPLITS BACK IN THE 70s HAD A BAND CALLED"EVOLUTION REVOLUTION!!!! THE REAL TRUTH EVOLVED IMMORTALITY IS A LIE&WILL NEVER HAPPEN!!!
Christianity&Jesus Christ dying for all men for all time was FAIR FOR ALL!!!! Evolution is 100%partial to all humans "NOW". We must die because"we are not evolved enough,however in the distant future of mankind evolution will give men immortality-"BUMMER" HEY EVOLUTION I WANT MY EVOLVED IMMORTALITY NOW CAN"T WAIT BILLIONS OF YEARS FOR IT_PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE, EVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!
In Christianity Jesus Christ is our sacrificial lamb. However with evolution we humans now are "sacrificial lambs" for the evolutionary process. See as man evolves onward,he evolves higher&higher though it may take not only thousands but millions&billions of years. Then man will become immortal after living longer&longer mortal lives. Atheism is partial to humans,we now can't have immortality because we are not evolved enough. JC's sacrifice is open to all to accept its fair not partial for all.
hitler was a roman catholic and has never still been denounced by the vatican
logic and mathamatics are proven as evidence no evidence for god etc and no moral law giver we as a race a responsible for each other!!!! thumbs down for this
2. There is a Moral Law - There is no such thing. There are ethics and societal norms. Made by societies.
3. Therefore, there is a Moral Law Giver - No. Read 2.
"Good" as opposed to "evil" is general harm to others and to the society and population. Nothing more than that. There is no absolute moral. Every society views good and evil differently based on its norms.
Youre a funny child, but your age promotes your inability to actually know the past. The fact is that Hitler was a very devote Catholic. He was raised in the seminary. While in church he fell in love with the swastika symbol in the church windows. When he met with the Pope he said "I believe I am doing Gods Work." He hated the Jews, because in the Christian Bible it said Jews killed his God. So he gathered extremists Christians and became murderous genocidal terrorists...under the name of God.
Yeah there is a moral law, a single one for everyone and some people share some of this ideas. It depends on the place you live in. Ask someone from 200 years ago about slavery...
3. Therefore, there is a Moral Law Giver
Yeah lets call it society. But god? Nope shure not.
Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time.
you theorize mainly about a moral law and thus the existence of a moral law "giver"
BUT what you do not realise is that the ideal of a moral law is a law meant to improve the common well being and to reduce injustice in society and thus societies naturally generate a set of rules and values to strife for and later invent a divine entity onto it, and thus invent religion.
morals are inventions of society. maybe hard for you to imagine but at some point people decided people who steal and kill should probably be punished (unless it's stealing and murdering from another tribe or society) and helping people should be rewarded. if there were any societies basic morals didn't apply they would quickly die out. there are no absolute right or wrongs just morals to make society work. and in some societies human sacrificing (murder) was totally fine.
Moglei I guess you would have wanted the old Soviet Union to have won WWII in Europe&I guess to you the USA paid the Germans to attack the USSR&then we attacked the Nazis. Also you must beleive the reason the USA went to war with Japan because of a racist policy&we were wanting to wipe out the Japanese people because they were"yellow" My father fought in the Pacific&he now would turn&sit-up in his grave over the things you said You lefty-liberturd you want to rewrite history foryourleftistviews
So Moglei you bringing up about the pilots&airmen of the B29 bombers that dropped the atomic bombs on Hiroshima&Nagasaki Japan were Christians but you also said that Japan was already surrendered. You are mistaken "you fool" Japan surrendered after the second bomb was dropped&made it official on September 2 1945 with Gen.Douglas McArthur on the battleship Missouri in Tokyo Bay I assume you also beleive the attack on Pearl Harbour Dec.7 1941 was an inside USA govt. job Also 9/11 was an inside job
God made Hitler and the heart inside the child-rapist that continues to beat. When I see God do anything, I'll think about believing. But, I cannot believe in any God that made all of this - a world full of animals. Most of them living in fear of being eaten alive. Nice work God. Oh, and don't give me that "Satan did it" stuff. God made that asshole too. God is responsible for all of this - it's ALL His work.Even I know better than to give monkeys "free will".
Its good you think about these things but know that the dialectal notions of "good" and "evil" are social constructions. They do not and cannot definitively prove the existence of a deity. That is a ridiculous assertion. A CODE IS NOT A LAW. Gravity is a law. All societies are rooted in constructed social codes and standards for human behavior. These were and always will be necessary for people to function within the same structure as a group.
First of all, if you're going to call a group of people out in a video, it would probably be a good idea to know what atheism is. Otherwise you just look like an idiot. Atheism as an "ism" is an oxymoron because it isn't a belief system. People do not "practice atheism". That being said, it has nothing to do with the fact that God "must not exist" because there is so much evil in the world. That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
We're not born with morals. I think we can all agree on that. We learn it, much in the same way we pick up walking and talking : gradually, over the years. Children that commit crimes, even murders, are not punished the same as adults. They can not yet fully understand the results of their actions. Wouldn't the 'Moral Lawgiver' who is 'Omnipotent' not inject Moral at birth to avoid child-murders from ever happening? No moral at birth = no "Moral Lawgiver"!
This can be counter with the giving of the free will to humans by god. It doesn'T matter how many and how good reasons each sides find to proofe theire point you can always locigal destroy it. That's something i believe in.
Even if children and adults have free will then that still doesn't change the fact that we are not born with Moral and that Children don't have the Moral to know that murdering is 'bad'.
You are trying to apply to kids the 'free will argument' , which states that even moral people can become murders but we are not talking about moral people. We are talking about children which do not yet KNOW what moral is.
If most people agree that something is immoral that simply means that as a species we have reached a moral consensus. Hardly surprising since many psychological studies have shown humans are naturally empathetic in nature due to an evolutionary trait of reciprocal altruism. this cannot be used as evidence of absolute morality or a God.
This is simply proof that on deep level we are repulsed at the thought of pain, suffering and cruelty. Morality is a human construct but no less real for that.
Faith hope&love are 3 of the greatest virtues a Christian can have True Christian love is humble,sets aside pride,hates lies&immorality,rejoices in the truth&morality,it endures the test of time,the trials&tests of life,it has faith,trust&hope(these are things you atheist reject)It is not self-centered but sacrifices for the good&concern of others This explains true Christian love. OK atheist describe the highest love in the life of an atheist?
@RonSafreed Well, just strip away all the religious propaganda and you've pretty much answered your own question.
Also, for future reference, don't tell people what they reject because it falls outside your scope of imagination. The only difference between you and an atheist such as myself is that I believe in one less 'God' than you do.
@RonSafreed True love is endless. This is somethink atheist and christian have incommon. In my opinion people who measure lov have a searius problem. It's like loving on of your childs more or think that somebody love's because you do this or this. For me personal this is not love.
Everybody knows what love means. If I'm just give the ferse it's in.
The bible speaks about how god's loves work and how you life is or will be when you open yourself to that love. But, and this important, it doesn't measures love.
How says being an atheist means rejecting faith, trust or hope. Evan if so atheist would do so i believe (^^) that everybody has this 3 things in his or her life. You trust your friend s or parents. You have faith in winning a game or be strong and we all hope that the girl likes us to and give us a kiss after the frist date.
back to topic: you didn't discriped love you just said how a chstian should life.
our morals are innate in us, to tell us that we wouldnt know right from wrong without a dear leader is insulting. and if i accept your premise, which i dont btw; who is to say who the "moral law giver" is? it could be zeus, odin, krishna, vishnu, or any other thousands of gods.
Wow, talk about ripping off the rhetoric from Ravi Zacharias. She could have at least mentioned him in her post, for it's giving the impression that this is her own personal analysis on the subject.
And what's that little comment about the fact that she isn't Catholic, it made me chuckle. She's obviously part of one of the Christian factions. So I really don't see what it had to do with anything. Waste of time all and all.
We are the basis for our own morality. What's right for some is wrong for others. Christians are typically anti-homosexuality, some even picket it claiming that their god hates homosexuals. The funny part is that in doing so, they are claiming to hate a person for the way that their god 'made' them.
Just because you can't think of/ research any other way to obtain morality doesn't mean god did it... And all of the points you gave in the video could be used to argue any other major religion. Not compelling and ill-thought-out. Replace the word god with allah and it's just as compelling.
Your moral laws are shaped by you. If I saw a Jewish man shot and killed on the street, I would definitely find that as morally wrong, but Hitler might not. In addition, you are saying that in order to know bad you must also know good, that is a concept of thought, not a tangible law. You may be morally good and do bad, or be morally bad and do good, without knowing the difference (like a child).
plenty of examples below of where the bible gives morals that you personally wouldn't follow (read the book if you don't believe them). This must mean one of two things:
1. "Gods" morals are incorrect
2. You have a sense of right and wrong that predates the bible, the book supposedly written as the direct word of "God" meaning your morals weren't given to you by "God."
Which biblical morals do you suggest, Ms. LovesJesus?
The ones that say how much you should beat your slaves? The ones Moses used when he murdered neighboring tribes and stole their virgins for his men? The ones God used when flooding the entire Earth and killing everyone?
Sorry, but if God existed, he would be far worse than Hitler.
try applying some logic to your arguments,(some testable evidence would be nice too, but i realize i probably already asked too much with all that logic talk) it will really help you seem less RaTURdUD...that goes for ALL you theists out there
Basically she's saying she would think killing and rape is okay if she were an Atheist. That's what I got out of it anyways. People are naturally trying to avoid suffering themselves and nobody wants to live in a world where everybody rapes and kills each other randomly so what should be COMMON SENSE tells us that it's in society's interest not to do these things. Atheistic countries tend to have lower crime rates as well. I don't have time to find the stats so look it up yourself.
And don't you think Jesus's dad is cool the way he instructed the israelites to slay whole communities. the young and old, cattle and oxen but spare the virgin cunt for after slaughter rape treats and this bitch has the cunting gall to talk to us of morality.
@GonzoInthefoot Just because someone wears the banner of Christianity publicly doesn't mean they're a Christian. Hitler was nooooooo Christian. The man had a severe obsession with the occult, channeling, etc... Any competent research would tell you that.
@joshallem U mad bro ? I mean u do know that he was baptized a roman catholic as a child, he never renounced his faith, and the Catholic church never even condemned what he did. He firmly believed that he was doing Gods work and even printed on the beltbuckles of his soldiers "God with us". Watching an Indiana Jones film does not count as research.
Hitler is a bad example, because there is no proof that he was a christian or not. he hab his batsim as 95% of all german or austrian pepople in this time. And 90% of the german were christians so, it's more then understandebale that he didn't tried to play to hard against the chruch, but he did't a litel and there a good reasons that i planed to fight the church after the war. Just take the crusades. Million of dead people died in name of the christian religion.
@moglei ""My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth!(..)"
i like the original source more so here hitler about church and ocultism in Speers "in den Erinnerungen":
"Welcher Unsinn! Jetzt sind wir endlich so weit, in eine Zeit zu kommen, die alle Mystik hinter sich gelassen hat, und nun fängt der wieder von vorne an. Da könnten wir gleich bei der Kirche bleiben. Die hat wenigstens Tradition. Der Gedanke, dass ich einmal zum SS-Heiligen gemacht werde! Stelle Sie sich vor! Ich würde mich im Grabe umdrehen!
the source name would be nice wish to read the orginial and that hitler uses god as a retorical tool in his speaches is more then understandbale,. cause i hold them in a christian based-cultur and a country where 80-90% of the people where christians. It's not his opinion about church. It is just a reference that he used church to manipolize people as he has used so many other things.
@moglei Wait.. So you want a source from me, even though you assume he used religion to manipulate the ppl ( I know he did to some degree, but the facts are that he never denied his religion). A source ? How 'bout Mein Kampf? Mentions god a bunch of times.
@fatbasterdlover *Sigh*.. You didn't read Mein kampf did you? Here's an idea, try googleing "Gott mit uns", and then look at the pictures. Surely is a funny way to prove you'r an atheist by writing that on the belt buckles. And talking about god on several recorded occasions, And writing about him in Mein Kampf , And never renouncing his faith..
@GonzoInthefoot no I have not read Mein kampf but I do know that the book is inspired from the evolution theory. Even the book title is from a quote from Darwin. Atheist go for Darwin. Christians go for Jesus.
@fatbasterdlover And you should go to a doctor. Hitler was a Christian, and supported Eugenics. Do not mix it with evolution. They are two completely different things.
And evolution is a fact, a scientific theory. Regardless what jesus freaks say. Nature does not care what you believe in. No amount of belief can make a falsehood a fact.
@CrayBG evolution a fact? haha don't be pissed because you share the beliefs of the world most evil person. Who knows maybe you guys will be best pals in hell one day :)
""The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity." - Adolf Hitler
@fatbasterdlover oh man this comment is priceless, you haven't read mein kampf but you are certain that it is inspired by evolution? how my dear sir did you come to that flabbergasting conclusion
Just like Mr. Brevik in Norway killing all those kids&youth at that summer camp. He was no devout Christian. Just like Judas Iscariot back when Jesus Christ had His disciples was no devout follower of Christ! Only the "devout" born again(spirits born again by JC) are "true Christians" They are active in their Christianity! Inactive onesare considered cold or luke-warm,back-slidden, or totally apostate! These are the hypocrites! Remember there is a difference betweena devout Christian&a hypocrite
Hitler was not in anyway"devout" in his Catholism. A real true Christian is devout no matter who they are. A person like Hitler who practiced his Catholism as a kid but left it as he became of age is a "back-slider,or apostate" not devout. Who was his pastor in those 12 years he was ruling Germany? How often did he go to mass,take holy communion,go to confession during those 12 years? Where is his Cathloc Bible&other caticism books? Where are the photos of him going to mass&taking holy communion
But the two pilots, the gouverment and all the military behind that have droped two atomic bombs on a defeaded and allready surrendered county were christians. And just for the record thes bombs harmed and killed an euqal to the judes in the german holocaust in the past 50 years.
Just because i kown the main source of you're believe. Where in the bible is refered that you have to go to house to pray periodly, that you have had your communion or confess anything to be a christian. Beleave in the one and only god and your baptism is more then enough.
But anyways I'm a German and as far has i know Hilter didn't believe in christian rel. he prefferd the nordic or german gods.
What I personally can't understand is why anybody tries to proof the existence of god. If you were able to, you would destroy the possibility to believe in it, because you KNOW. It's much harder to truly believe in something then knowing (this by the way is also in the bible).
Its fine if you believe in Christian religion, but please let everyone else find there own ways to think about the universe and stop making stupid videos/argumentations to force others to share your believe.
@moglei You're amazing. No matter how I read it I arrive at the conclusion that you'd prefer to be ignorant of 'God's' existance only because that if you knew he existed, you couldn't believe he existed. That's just... Wow.
I'm by no means a stranger to stupid arguements having browsed through a near endless sea of creationist videos, but this comment definitely takes the cake.
Where did i ever said that i believe in god? I honestly don't know if there is one or not and believe ether the first or the second for me has the same value of truth. I just wanted to Point out 2 Points:
1.) the hole discussion is stupid because nether theist's or atheists can proof theire point.
2.) That for me personal believe and knowledge doesn't work together.
And by the way if there is a god i would love to meat him just to know the anwser to one of the biggest q
@moglei Nowhere did I imply that you believed in 'God', I simply remarked upon the idiocy of wanting to remain ignorant of something (if that thing is proven to be real) just so that you can continue believing that it's real.
Also, what's the point of your reply? Only the first sentence makes sense with regards to my comment, and the last one even contradicts what you said in the comment that I replied to.
this with a proof. in the second point of my respons to you I just wanted to show that in my difination of faith or believe its nasceary to do not have proof or proof has no meaning. Like many people believe everything can be explainted by science although we have proof we can't. Like Goedel has show in his incompleteness theorem.
got me wrong again i never mean that i want to not know something to be able to believe it. I think that for a believer in christian religion there is no sence in try to proof that there are write because faith is a fundermental in this religion and you can have
@moglei "I think that for a believer in christian religion there is no sence in try to proof that there are write because faith is a fundermental in this religion..."
This is the (type of) statement that I find so idiotic, the only reason 'faith' exists is because they can't prove the existance of 'God'. However, faith and belief is a byproduct and not a requirement for religion.
I'm pretty sure that no religious person would pass up the opportunity to be proven right in their belief.
And i know the historical postion faith or better relgion has. Without the frist relegions comunity woulden be possible. Faith is much bigger then what you make out of it. Everybody has it and need it. If faith is need as fundamental or is a byproduct depends on the religion.
Faith in Action 1 Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.
So in the christian religion faith is a fundamentel (every christian should have that)and it's defind like above which means nothing more then without knowing.
So it's own of the challenges there god give to them to believe in him without prove.
So profing the excistens of god would destroy a big part of there religion.
It's is not mine i didn't make the christian religion. If you would first learn something about the religion and then starte too argu about it you woulden have this problems in understanding. herbe 11 1 can be and is interpreted in the form that god will never revial them self to the menkind and so he is not proofable. this is by the way besides Trinity one of the biggest discussion in christian relgion.
And i got your point, totaly see what you mean. May argument is counterintuitive and seams like it make no sence, but this christian religion as it define it self. Because i knew that i think the way you think about my argument about christians trying to proof god's exsitence.
"I'm pretty sure that no religious person would pass up the opportunity to be proven right in their belief. " 100% you're opinion, but it doesn't work with there religion.
When you say every law has a lawgiver you didn't toughed but circles (same as the first cause), so maybe the rules of moral are causing them to exist. Then you would need a higher being to implement them. They implement them self.
Dear Kristina what you're try to do here is to proof the existence of god via logic. Much smarter people then you and me weren't able to do so. Like Aristotle, St. Thomas Aquinas , Leipniz and many others. And as all the others how tried to proof or unproof god's existence you failed.
You reasons have the same leaks as the argument of the first cause or better are just a variation of it.
murder is wrong because if it wasn't, we would not survive as a species. that also applies to theft and so on, cheating is bad because of sexual jealousy, etc etc. the law giver of our morals is nature. you assert there a deity, just like ancient greeks did with storms and rainbows.
Moral law = common sense. I wouldn't like anyone to kill me so I don't kill others. I wouldn't like my GF to be raped so I don't rape. Simple. Why some entity had to write anything in my muscle (heart). Majority said that it's wrong to kill people. If some asshole kills somebody we lock him up. Than again there are still tribes that allow canibalism - we don't. So your universal law got owned. About 2+2 - kids figure it out by counting fingers = observation.
Im not an atheist, but I'll answer your questions.
1. Yes, Hitler was wrong to have ordered harm on other human beings.
2. By the moral standard of Earth's living beings.
3. They exist between all living things.
First off - every law has a giver. Why? Because humans give laws to each other and we know no other way for this exchange to happen? Pretty self-absorbed to think we work like the universe or vice versa. Truly good people do not need a 1000 pg rulebook on how to be a good soul.
first off. woman with unecesssarly big earings piss me off. thought you should know a little about me. second. after 3 minutes i knew how the next 6 minutes are going to be. a dozen ways to say the same thing a different way. third. your logic is understandable. this is the first video i had to think about your arguement. if there is a law. there must be a law giver. great arguement but your not really a law giver if you announce something everybody alread knows.
TO ALL ATHEISTS: Trying to explain to these people how ridiculous their arguments are is like trying to explain to a child why he/she cannot have anything he/she wants. It doesn't matter how logical your argument is, they cannot comprehend. Save your fingers the trouble and just get drunk and laugh at these morons. The worst part about being an Atheist is not being able to rub it in all the god fearing idiots faces when we die that they were silly and wrong.
John Dewey described humanism as our common faith, Julius Huxley called it religion without revelation The first humanist manifesto spoke openly of humanism as a religion In the 1961 surpreme court case Torasco vs. Watkins classified secular humanism as a religion!!!!
Faith hope&love are 3 of the most valued virtures in Christianity. Faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen. Hope is a future expectation&the greatest love sacrifices for the welfare of others than being self-centered What is faith,hope&love in atheism? Atheist commonly bash Christian faith&hope.
There is another aspect of religion of the Bible than Judaism/Christianity,is older&excisted til the 20th century Bible Adam-Abraham/Moses Job in Job lived centuries before Abraham but had the same God Corneilius was neither Jew/Christian nor pagan,heathen,infidel,but"devout" This devout monotheism was in earliest human history but most fell away from it but some held it til now Books-Eternity In Their Hearts Don Richardson,also Arthur Custance has a book on-line ready to read on this monotheism
Voltaire the famous French infidel of the 18th century said that Christianity would be extinct within a century of his death. He died in 1778 Well Voltaire"what happened"History has proven you 100% wrong&0% right Book-Evidence That Demands A Verdict by Josh McDowell
In 1949 when Mao&the communist came to power in China there were 1 million Christians Mao was gung-ho on wiping out all religion as well as illiteracy As literacy increased so did Christianity After 64 years of an iron-fisted policy towards religion in China,now there are 130 million Christians converting at a rate of 30000 a day Hey atheist China needs some atheist missionaries to try to convert these Chinese Christians back to atheism Maybe Mao's little red book can help Any volunteers?AnyAny?
In the former USSR1917-92 atheism/evolution was taught daycare-university The Bibkle was banned&it was illegal to teach it to kids Within months of the fall of the USSRin 92 the Bible was put back in Russian schools Olga Lutsenko an atheist was the main one behind it Death threats made her leave to Canada in 96&she is a Christian now She is on youtube&I support her work financially putting Bibles in Russian&Ukranian schools The Bible absent 75 years in Russian schools now back 20 years Amazing.
John Wycliffe1330-1385 translated the Bible from Latin to middle English in 1382 felt the Bible should be in the tongue&hands of the masses In 1442 his remains were dug up&a trial was held condemming him His bones were burned to powder&dumped in a river I read his lifestory&I have the book Evil men in high places kept the Bible from most clergy&all laity over 1000 years Many folk don't know this both Christian&atheist,muslim&others you all do now Having a trial for a dead man is total lunacyFYI
The Bible has been accessible to the masses less than 500 years William Tyndale1498-1542 was the first to mass publish Bibles using a printing press in 1525 Before it took 10 months to handwrite a Bible He smuggled them to England from Belguim&cost a week's wage He spoke 9 languages He was wanted,betrayed&caught,tried&executed in Brussels1542 I read his lifestory&I have the book Many folk don't know this Some of Tyndales Bibles have survived til now Long&bloody was the path for common Bibles FYI
If Hitler was a Christian, who was his pastor? What church did he attend, If he was Cathloc how often did he go to confession,take holy communion,what Cathloc church was he involved with.Where is his personal Cathloc Bible&other catacism books?Where are the photographs of Hitler regularly going to church? Who were his close Cathloc friends who were also devout?
In Hitlers mind, he wasn't wrong. Hitler looked at people as groups, and one you take the prespetive of that, Hitler was completely right in doing so. But like most of us, we look at people as a single person and that makes his case completely wrong. It has nothing to do with religion.
You have A LOT of explaining to do if you are claiming that all throughout history, in every culture, morals have been 100% the same as they are in the present in your culture.
You're right, us. Is this really that complicated?? If you don't understand how altruism/cooperation can be beneficial to a species it's because you have no idea what you're talking about.
I think killing people is wrong. I don't believe in God. I think it's wrong to take a life away, this in no way associates to whether or not 'someone' created the earth. I have my own morals, therefore I am my own moral giver. Your point is invalid, people who STRONGLY believe that abortion is wrong have killed doctors who perform the surgery. This has been recorded a lot. If those Christians have the same God as their moral giver, who says no to abortion and killing, explain those morals.
2. Says who? The Nazis didn't believe they were wrong. That automatically disproves your assumption. We believe them to be because they brought harm to other human beings. You don't need a wizard in the sky to tell you this.
3. Refer to 2.
There is no absolute moral guide. And you say "then life is meaningless"...well, in a sense, yes. Not everything is as perfect and peachy-keen as you would like it to be.
Moral law is a myth, this is shown when people like Hitler do things like that believing that they were justified. Hitler thought he was justified in the sense that he thought the Jews were to blame for shit happening in Europe. If we all had it in our heads that it is unacceptable to kill people without exception-such as you asserted- then Hitler would have too, and then the holocaust would have never happened.
Hitler killed Jews cause of what Christians said they did to their God.....at least that was his motivation. He wanted to finish the fight that his lord could not.....do some research
Hitler killed Jews cause of what Christians said they did to their God.....at least that was his motivation. He wanted to finish the fight that his lord could not.....do some research
In the early 60s a man Don Richardson&his family went to New Guinea to live with the Asmat people to learn their language&share the Gospel of Christ&the Bible. These people had both cannabalism&headhunting in their culture. In due time these people told Don that one time in their earliest history they had a monotheistic folk religion&worshipped the same God ofthe Bible but they fell into the depravity of headhunting&cannabalism later in their history. Book Eternity In Their Hearts Don Richardson
RonSafreed 2 minutes ago
for a deity who supposedly loves everyone and wants peace for all, he sure as heck screwed up with us lot. Humanity is the greatest destroyer, more than all the species of earth combined. we've single handedly screwed over countless species, the enviroment and our own civilisation to boot. How very peaceful of us. Its not by devine law that we know whats right and wrong, its our survival instincts and common sense. Thats thanks to evolution, nothing to do with 'god'.
gastrozum 9 minutes ago
Everything in your arguement, and i use that term loosely for your video, is easily explainable through science, history and fact, as opposed to god which you seem to think is the answer to everything. Yes a lot of bad goes on in the world, another proof that god doesnt exist, and before you think youve proved us wrong with your 'well if god didnt tell us what is good or bad then theyd co exist without a problem' thats a pathetic response. if god did exist he wouldnt let things be so screwed up.
gastrozum 14 minutes ago
The sense of right and wrong is not the same for everywhere on earth, different societies have different beliefs on how things should happen. Just look at all the different religions and their rituals to get an idea of how differently people may do things,you might do something acceptable where you come from, but that action might be offensive and punishable by death somewhere else.if god supposedly created us all and is so into peace and love as people claim, then we should have one law for all
gastrozum 19 minutes ago
You wanna try and argue with atheists that god has to exist? try it. Answer a few questions and see how well you're mis-guided belief in a shiny bearded man on a cloud that no one has ever seen or heard from aside from false or unproven claims, against proven facts from our evolution, the scientific, historical and genetical heritage, all backed up with countless sources of proof as opposed to a single book which anyone couldve have made up.
gastrozum 22 minutes ago
The ideas of helping each other, caring, loving etc etc are all classed as good because they helped the tribes survive and flourish, as opposed to murder and genocide which would have doomed the tribes. Because of this evolutionary heritage, we can indeed say that hitler was wrong in what he did as genocide is never a good thing. There was no 'law giver' as you say and attempt to say that this 'law giver' is god, it was just a series of actions which helped the tribes survive that were 'good'.
gastrozum 26 minutes ago
As the first tribes of humans began, they had to work together in order to survive and create civilisations. Through this we had to care for one another, not just our young in order to survive, everyone in the tribe had to be looked after in order for the civilisation to flourish. Through time and further evolution, this 'moral law' becane embedded in our society and definable with the sense of right and wrong. Countless species all have similar morals and ethics. so we are not the only ones.
gastrozum 31 minutes ago
I really love that you put a techno song in the background over your dumb argument. I actually enjoyed it more than your voice. And i HATE techno.
gettruckin 31 minutes ago
There are several flaws in this arguement youve tried to put forward. For starters trying to juxtapose spiritual questions alongside mathematical questions in ridiculous, thats like someone saying god has to exist because i cant turn into a spoon.'Moral law' as you call it, derives from our survival and nuturing instincts, present in the majority of life forms, mothers care for their young and know that pain can damage their young, hence we evolved with the sense that pain is a bad thing.
gastrozum 34 minutes ago
FAIRNESS IS SUPERIOR TO PARTIALITY ANY DAY THIS APPLIES TO HUMAN BEINGS AS A WHOLE FYI.
RonSafreed 2 hours ago
WHERE IS MY EVOLVED IMMORTALITY? WHERE IS MY EVOLVED IMMORTALITY? WHERE IS MY EVOLVED IMMORTALITY? WHERE IS MY EVOLVED IMMORTALITY? HMMM "EVOLVED IMMORTALITY"---SOUNDS LIKE A NAME OF SOME ROCK GROUP, LIKE THE BANANNA SPLITS BACK IN THE 70s HAD A BAND CALLED"EVOLUTION REVOLUTION!!!! THE REAL TRUTH EVOLVED IMMORTALITY IS A LIE&WILL NEVER HAPPEN!!!
RonSafreed 2 hours ago
Christianity&Jesus Christ dying for all men for all time was FAIR FOR ALL!!!! Evolution is 100%partial to all humans "NOW". We must die because"we are not evolved enough,however in the distant future of mankind evolution will give men immortality-"BUMMER" HEY EVOLUTION I WANT MY EVOLVED IMMORTALITY NOW CAN"T WAIT BILLIONS OF YEARS FOR IT_PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE, EVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!
RonSafreed 2 hours ago
In Christianity Jesus Christ is our sacrificial lamb. However with evolution we humans now are "sacrificial lambs" for the evolutionary process. See as man evolves onward,he evolves higher&higher though it may take not only thousands but millions&billions of years. Then man will become immortal after living longer&longer mortal lives. Atheism is partial to humans,we now can't have immortality because we are not evolved enough. JC's sacrifice is open to all to accept its fair not partial for all.
RonSafreed 2 hours ago
hitler was a roman catholic and has never still been denounced by the vatican
logic and mathamatics are proven as evidence no evidence for god etc and no moral law giver we as a race a responsible for each other!!!! thumbs down for this
chanc8r38 3 hours ago
1. Every law has a law giver - doh.
2. There is a Moral Law - There is no such thing. There are ethics and societal norms. Made by societies.
3. Therefore, there is a Moral Law Giver - No. Read 2.
"Good" as opposed to "evil" is general harm to others and to the society and population. Nothing more than that. There is no absolute moral. Every society views good and evil differently based on its norms.
CrayBG 3 hours ago
Youre reasoning sounds spookily like Jared Lee Loughner...
TheMasculinist 4 hours ago
Youre a funny child, but your age promotes your inability to actually know the past. The fact is that Hitler was a very devote Catholic. He was raised in the seminary. While in church he fell in love with the swastika symbol in the church windows. When he met with the Pope he said "I believe I am doing Gods Work." He hated the Jews, because in the Christian Bible it said Jews killed his God. So he gathered extremists Christians and became murderous genocidal terrorists...under the name of God.
TheMasculinist 4 hours ago
1. Every law has a law giver
yea.. exept the law of physiks
2. There is a Moral Law
Yeah there is a moral law, a single one for everyone and some people share some of this ideas. It depends on the place you live in. Ask someone from 200 years ago about slavery...
3. Therefore, there is a Moral Law Giver
Yeah lets call it society. But god? Nope shure not.
Glaswalker1001 5 hours ago
at 6:43 we do not claim to have the truth of "no one having the truth"
what we do claim is that everyone has truth but no one has the FULL truth.
Trollinator2 5 hours ago
Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time.
-Adolf Hitler
Coopa826 5 hours ago
you theorize mainly about a moral law and thus the existence of a moral law "giver"
BUT what you do not realise is that the ideal of a moral law is a law meant to improve the common well being and to reduce injustice in society and thus societies naturally generate a set of rules and values to strife for and later invent a divine entity onto it, and thus invent religion.
Trollinator2 5 hours ago
morals are inventions of society. maybe hard for you to imagine but at some point people decided people who steal and kill should probably be punished (unless it's stealing and murdering from another tribe or society) and helping people should be rewarded. if there were any societies basic morals didn't apply they would quickly die out. there are no absolute right or wrongs just morals to make society work. and in some societies human sacrificing (murder) was totally fine.
frisianmouve 7 hours ago
Moglei I guess you would have wanted the old Soviet Union to have won WWII in Europe&I guess to you the USA paid the Germans to attack the USSR&then we attacked the Nazis. Also you must beleive the reason the USA went to war with Japan because of a racist policy&we were wanting to wipe out the Japanese people because they were"yellow" My father fought in the Pacific&he now would turn&sit-up in his grave over the things you said You lefty-liberturd you want to rewrite history foryourleftistviews
RonSafreed 7 hours ago
At 1:00, "Behold, I am coming quickly". Jesus has premature ejaculation?
TheMeanEYE 8 hours ago
So Moglei you bringing up about the pilots&airmen of the B29 bombers that dropped the atomic bombs on Hiroshima&Nagasaki Japan were Christians but you also said that Japan was already surrendered. You are mistaken "you fool" Japan surrendered after the second bomb was dropped&made it official on September 2 1945 with Gen.Douglas McArthur on the battleship Missouri in Tokyo Bay I assume you also beleive the attack on Pearl Harbour Dec.7 1941 was an inside USA govt. job Also 9/11 was an inside job
RonSafreed 8 hours ago
God made Hitler and the heart inside the child-rapist that continues to beat. When I see God do anything, I'll think about believing. But, I cannot believe in any God that made all of this - a world full of animals. Most of them living in fear of being eaten alive. Nice work God. Oh, and don't give me that "Satan did it" stuff. God made that asshole too. God is responsible for all of this - it's ALL His work.Even I know better than to give monkeys "free will".
OregonDARRYL 8 hours ago
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Its good you think about these things but know that the dialectal notions of "good" and "evil" are social constructions. They do not and cannot definitively prove the existence of a deity. That is a ridiculous assertion. A CODE IS NOT A LAW. Gravity is a law. All societies are rooted in constructed social codes and standards for human behavior. These were and always will be necessary for people to function within the same structure as a group.
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Willywonka1455 9 hours ago
First of all, if you're going to call a group of people out in a video, it would probably be a good idea to know what atheism is. Otherwise you just look like an idiot. Atheism as an "ism" is an oxymoron because it isn't a belief system. People do not "practice atheism". That being said, it has nothing to do with the fact that God "must not exist" because there is so much evil in the world. That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
Willywonka1455 9 hours ago
We're not born with morals. I think we can all agree on that. We learn it, much in the same way we pick up walking and talking : gradually, over the years. Children that commit crimes, even murders, are not punished the same as adults. They can not yet fully understand the results of their actions. Wouldn't the 'Moral Lawgiver' who is 'Omnipotent' not inject Moral at birth to avoid child-murders from ever happening? No moral at birth = no "Moral Lawgiver"!
Also watch "Kagan vs Craig" on this.
kleykenb 9 hours ago
@kleykenb
This can be counter with the giving of the free will to humans by god. It doesn'T matter how many and how good reasons each sides find to proofe theire point you can always locigal destroy it. That's something i believe in.
moglei 9 hours ago
@moglei
Even if children and adults have free will then that still doesn't change the fact that we are not born with Moral and that Children don't have the Moral to know that murdering is 'bad'.
You are trying to apply to kids the 'free will argument' , which states that even moral people can become murders but we are not talking about moral people. We are talking about children which do not yet KNOW what moral is.
kleykenb 7 hours ago
This girl thinks extremely contrasting, OH right! shes christian...
ATOZBTOURMOMMA 10 hours ago
Shame, she's such a pretty girl.
DraconionDevil 10 hours ago
If most people agree that something is immoral that simply means that as a species we have reached a moral consensus. Hardly surprising since many psychological studies have shown humans are naturally empathetic in nature due to an evolutionary trait of reciprocal altruism. this cannot be used as evidence of absolute morality or a God.
This is simply proof that on deep level we are repulsed at the thought of pain, suffering and cruelty. Morality is a human construct but no less real for that.
bingofingers 11 hours ago 6
@bingofingers i wish more people thought like u but people are jus fucking retarted ITS 2012
trypthetryped 1 hour ago
"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so." - Adolf Hitler, 1941
uktransplantedyank 11 hours ago
Reported for promoting terrorism.
anbublackopps123 13 hours ago
Good video listening and reading Paul's work gives me goosebumps because of his logic.
Bock728 17 hours ago
Came to see young pretty girl dribble bullshit. Leave satisfied.
dakkanTM 17 hours ago
Faith hope&love are 3 of the greatest virtues a Christian can have True Christian love is humble,sets aside pride,hates lies&immorality,rejoices in the truth&morality,it endures the test of time,the trials&tests of life,it has faith,trust&hope(these are things you atheist reject)It is not self-centered but sacrifices for the good&concern of others This explains true Christian love. OK atheist describe the highest love in the life of an atheist?
RonSafreed 17 hours ago
@RonSafreed Well, just strip away all the religious propaganda and you've pretty much answered your own question.
Also, for future reference, don't tell people what they reject because it falls outside your scope of imagination. The only difference between you and an atheist such as myself is that I believe in one less 'God' than you do.
Aragashia 13 hours ago
@RonSafreed True love is endless. This is somethink atheist and christian have incommon. In my opinion people who measure lov have a searius problem. It's like loving on of your childs more or think that somebody love's because you do this or this. For me personal this is not love.
moglei 13 hours ago
Everybody knows what love means. If I'm just give the ferse it's in.
The bible speaks about how god's loves work and how you life is or will be when you open yourself to that love. But, and this important, it doesn't measures love.
moglei 13 hours ago
@RonSafreed
@moglei
How says being an atheist means rejecting faith, trust or hope. Evan if so atheist would do so i believe (^^) that everybody has this 3 things in his or her life. You trust your friend s or parents. You have faith in winning a game or be strong and we all hope that the girl likes us to and give us a kiss after the frist date.
back to topic: you didn't discriped love you just said how a chstian should life.
moglei 13 hours ago
@RonSafreed
sry wrong order it starts with "how says" then"Everybody" Then "true love "
by the way if I'm wrong about the love-difination give me the ferse it's in.
moglei 13 hours ago
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"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so."
-Adolf Hitler, 1941
tiger1chu 18 hours ago
our morals are innate in us, to tell us that we wouldnt know right from wrong without a dear leader is insulting. and if i accept your premise, which i dont btw; who is to say who the "moral law giver" is? it could be zeus, odin, krishna, vishnu, or any other thousands of gods.
TheShaitanjr 19 hours ago
Wow, talk about ripping off the rhetoric from Ravi Zacharias. She could have at least mentioned him in her post, for it's giving the impression that this is her own personal analysis on the subject.
And what's that little comment about the fact that she isn't Catholic, it made me chuckle. She's obviously part of one of the Christian factions. So I really don't see what it had to do with anything. Waste of time all and all.
MrVhorthex 20 hours ago
We are the basis for our own morality. What's right for some is wrong for others. Christians are typically anti-homosexuality, some even picket it claiming that their god hates homosexuals. The funny part is that in doing so, they are claiming to hate a person for the way that their god 'made' them.
PaintballLyndon 20 hours ago
Wow. This has to be a joke.
superwowie111 21 hours ago 11
@superwowie111
That's just it.. When you see/hear ppl as ignorant as this bimbo, it's hard to fathom she's being sincere.
ItsmeonY2 19 hours ago
This is a parody right? right guys? please tell me it was!
Tarantino880 21 hours ago
This bitch seems more interested in looking pretty than providing something logical.
xMooki 22 hours ago
I couldn't bear listening to all your crap, but may I just say that there is no moral law. It is subjective.
JohnnyRazor69 22 hours ago
Hitler and Chist have 3 things in common. They both took on bankers, Jews and lost, and their reputations are besmirched.
Had Hitler won the war, he would be the mortal version of Christ
alanbstard4 22 hours ago
Just because you can't think of/ research any other way to obtain morality doesn't mean god did it... And all of the points you gave in the video could be used to argue any other major religion. Not compelling and ill-thought-out. Replace the word god with allah and it's just as compelling.
Shaboynka 23 hours ago
Your moral laws are shaped by you. If I saw a Jewish man shot and killed on the street, I would definitely find that as morally wrong, but Hitler might not. In addition, you are saying that in order to know bad you must also know good, that is a concept of thought, not a tangible law. You may be morally good and do bad, or be morally bad and do good, without knowing the difference (like a child).
Zergruhs 1 day ago
They were both wrong...
gamemaker60 1 day ago
plenty of examples below of where the bible gives morals that you personally wouldn't follow (read the book if you don't believe them). This must mean one of two things:
1. "Gods" morals are incorrect
2. You have a sense of right and wrong that predates the bible, the book supposedly written as the direct word of "God" meaning your morals weren't given to you by "God."
StubblyVlog 1 day ago
It's COMPLETELY subjectional to the individual with reagrds to the existence and composition of a moral law system.
CatalystGamingUK 1 day ago
Which biblical morals do you suggest, Ms. LovesJesus?
The ones that say how much you should beat your slaves? The ones Moses used when he murdered neighboring tribes and stole their virgins for his men? The ones God used when flooding the entire Earth and killing everyone?
Sorry, but if God existed, he would be far worse than Hitler.
Kloborgg 1 day ago
try applying some logic to your arguments,(some testable evidence would be nice too, but i realize i probably already asked too much with all that logic talk) it will really help you seem less RaTURdUD...that goes for ALL you theists out there
lahinadivers13 1 day ago
Basically she's saying she would think killing and rape is okay if she were an Atheist. That's what I got out of it anyways. People are naturally trying to avoid suffering themselves and nobody wants to live in a world where everybody rapes and kills each other randomly so what should be COMMON SENSE tells us that it's in society's interest not to do these things. Atheistic countries tend to have lower crime rates as well. I don't have time to find the stats so look it up yourself.
Dhad91 1 day ago
And don't you think Jesus's dad is cool the way he instructed the israelites to slay whole communities. the young and old, cattle and oxen but spare the virgin cunt for after slaughter rape treats and this bitch has the cunting gall to talk to us of morality.
IDIOT BRAINDEAD CUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNT!
Rockster969 1 day ago
Spastic mental cripple central.
Rockster969 1 day ago
'Behold, I am coming quickly' - That's what she said.
197Callum 1 day ago
When this girls finds out Hitler was a Christian she's gonna be sooooo embarrassed.
GonzoInthefoot 1 day ago 23
@GonzoInthefoot Just because someone wears the banner of Christianity publicly doesn't mean they're a Christian. Hitler was nooooooo Christian. The man had a severe obsession with the occult, channeling, etc... Any competent research would tell you that.
joshallem 19 hours ago
@joshallem
So one excludes the other?
Haha. Narrow-minded.
Opethvince 16 hours ago
@joshallem U mad bro ? I mean u do know that he was baptized a roman catholic as a child, he never renounced his faith, and the Catholic church never even condemned what he did. He firmly believed that he was doing Gods work and even printed on the beltbuckles of his soldiers "God with us". Watching an Indiana Jones film does not count as research.
GonzoInthefoot 12 hours ago
@GonzoInthefoot
Hitler is a bad example, because there is no proof that he was a christian or not. he hab his batsim as 95% of all german or austrian pepople in this time. And 90% of the german were christians so, it's more then understandebale that he didn't tried to play to hard against the chruch, but he did't a litel and there a good reasons that i planed to fight the church after the war. Just take the crusades. Million of dead people died in name of the christian religion.
moglei 11 hours ago
@moglei ""My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth!(..)"
- Adolf Hitler 12th of April 1922
GonzoInthefoot 11 hours ago
@GonzoInthefoot
i like the original source more so here hitler about church and ocultism in Speers "in den Erinnerungen":
"Welcher Unsinn! Jetzt sind wir endlich so weit, in eine Zeit zu kommen, die alle Mystik hinter sich gelassen hat, und nun fängt der wieder von vorne an. Da könnten wir gleich bei der Kirche bleiben. Die hat wenigstens Tradition. Der Gedanke, dass ich einmal zum SS-Heiligen gemacht werde! Stelle Sie sich vor! Ich würde mich im Grabe umdrehen!
moglei 10 hours ago
@GonzoInthefoot
the source name would be nice wish to read the orginial and that hitler uses god as a retorical tool in his speaches is more then understandbale,. cause i hold them in a christian based-cultur and a country where 80-90% of the people where christians. It's not his opinion about church. It is just a reference that he used church to manipolize people as he has used so many other things.
moglei 10 hours ago
@moglei Wait.. So you want a source from me, even though you assume he used religion to manipulate the ppl ( I know he did to some degree, but the facts are that he never denied his religion). A source ? How 'bout Mein Kampf? Mentions god a bunch of times.
GonzoInthefoot 10 hours ago
@GonzoInthefoot
I wanted to know the source of the quote
to menchen god is not equal to believe in him or in christian religion. like when an atheist says ther is no god.
The Problem about Hitler and christian religion that he spoke about controversial and so it's not real possible to proof if he was a christian or not.
moglei 10 hours ago
@GonzoInthefoot
She's gonna be even more embarrassed when she finds out that nearly all the Nazis were Christian as well XD
foojuice101 7 hours ago
@GonzoInthefoot Hitler was actually an atheist, get your facts right!
fatbasterdlover 6 hours ago
@fatbasterdlover *Sigh*.. You didn't read Mein kampf did you? Here's an idea, try googleing "Gott mit uns", and then look at the pictures. Surely is a funny way to prove you'r an atheist by writing that on the belt buckles. And talking about god on several recorded occasions, And writing about him in Mein Kampf , And never renouncing his faith..
GonzoInthefoot 5 hours ago
@GonzoInthefoot no I have not read Mein kampf but I do know that the book is inspired from the evolution theory. Even the book title is from a quote from Darwin. Atheist go for Darwin. Christians go for Jesus.
fatbasterdlover 3 hours ago
@fatbasterdlover And you should go to a doctor. Hitler was a Christian, and supported Eugenics. Do not mix it with evolution. They are two completely different things.
And evolution is a fact, a scientific theory. Regardless what jesus freaks say. Nature does not care what you believe in. No amount of belief can make a falsehood a fact.
CrayBG 3 hours ago
@CrayBG evolution a fact? haha don't be pissed because you share the beliefs of the world most evil person. Who knows maybe you guys will be best pals in hell one day :)
""The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity." - Adolf Hitler
fatbasterdlover 3 hours ago
@fatbasterdlover oh man this comment is priceless, you haven't read mein kampf but you are certain that it is inspired by evolution? how my dear sir did you come to that flabbergasting conclusion
jnkwarior 1 hour ago
Is what hitler did to the jews any different then the crusades? They both commited genocide.
ThePatrick6122 1 day ago
The moral law giver is our natural sense.
Are you really this dumb?What about immoral christians what about themß
switschmaker 1 day ago
Just like Mr. Brevik in Norway killing all those kids&youth at that summer camp. He was no devout Christian. Just like Judas Iscariot back when Jesus Christ had His disciples was no devout follower of Christ! Only the "devout" born again(spirits born again by JC) are "true Christians" They are active in their Christianity! Inactive onesare considered cold or luke-warm,back-slidden, or totally apostate! These are the hypocrites! Remember there is a difference betweena devout Christian&a hypocrite
RonSafreed 1 day ago
Hitler was not in anyway"devout" in his Catholism. A real true Christian is devout no matter who they are. A person like Hitler who practiced his Catholism as a kid but left it as he became of age is a "back-slider,or apostate" not devout. Who was his pastor in those 12 years he was ruling Germany? How often did he go to mass,take holy communion,go to confession during those 12 years? Where is his Cathloc Bible&other caticism books? Where are the photos of him going to mass&taking holy communion
RonSafreed 1 day ago
But the two pilots, the gouverment and all the military behind that have droped two atomic bombs on a defeaded and allready surrendered county were christians. And just for the record thes bombs harmed and killed an euqal to the judes in the german holocaust in the past 50 years.
moglei 14 hours ago
@moglei @RonSafreed
Just because i kown the main source of you're believe. Where in the bible is refered that you have to go to house to pray periodly, that you have had your communion or confess anything to be a christian. Beleave in the one and only god and your baptism is more then enough.
But anyways I'm a German and as far has i know Hilter didn't believe in christian rel. he prefferd the nordic or german gods.
moglei 14 hours ago
Behold, I am coming quickly - Dominic Strauss Kahn :p
kingofhimalaya 1 day ago
i never knew snooki was so religious.
scottherron 1 day ago
I'm no longer going to argue with religious people. I can't use reason against someone who can't understand reason.
RussellLawliet 1 day ago
What I personally can't understand is why anybody tries to proof the existence of god. If you were able to, you would destroy the possibility to believe in it, because you KNOW. It's much harder to truly believe in something then knowing (this by the way is also in the bible).
Its fine if you believe in Christian religion, but please let everyone else find there own ways to think about the universe and stop making stupid videos/argumentations to force others to share your believe.
moglei 1 day ago
@moglei You're amazing. No matter how I read it I arrive at the conclusion that you'd prefer to be ignorant of 'God's' existance only because that if you knew he existed, you couldn't believe he existed. That's just... Wow.
I'm by no means a stranger to stupid arguements having browsed through a near endless sea of creationist videos, but this comment definitely takes the cake.
I applaud you.
Aragashia 1 day ago
@Aragashia
Where did i ever said that i believe in god? I honestly don't know if there is one or not and believe ether the first or the second for me has the same value of truth. I just wanted to Point out 2 Points:
1.) the hole discussion is stupid because nether theist's or atheists can proof theire point.
2.) That for me personal believe and knowledge doesn't work together.
And by the way if there is a god i would love to meat him just to know the anwser to one of the biggest q
moglei 14 hours ago
@moglei Nowhere did I imply that you believed in 'God', I simply remarked upon the idiocy of wanting to remain ignorant of something (if that thing is proven to be real) just so that you can continue believing that it's real.
Also, what's the point of your reply? Only the first sentence makes sense with regards to my comment, and the last one even contradicts what you said in the comment that I replied to.
You're rather confusing, you know that?
Aragashia 13 hours ago
@Aragashia
this with a proof. in the second point of my respons to you I just wanted to show that in my difination of faith or believe its nasceary to do not have proof or proof has no meaning. Like many people believe everything can be explainted by science although we have proof we can't. Like Goedel has show in his incompleteness theorem.
moglei 13 hours ago
@Aragashia
got me wrong again i never mean that i want to not know something to be able to believe it. I think that for a believer in christian religion there is no sence in try to proof that there are write because faith is a fundermental in this religion and you can have
moglei 13 hours ago
@moglei "I think that for a believer in christian religion there is no sence in try to proof that there are write because faith is a fundermental in this religion..."
This is the (type of) statement that I find so idiotic, the only reason 'faith' exists is because they can't prove the existance of 'God'. However, faith and belief is a byproduct and not a requirement for religion.
I'm pretty sure that no religious person would pass up the opportunity to be proven right in their belief.
Aragashia 13 hours ago
And i know the historical postion faith or better relgion has. Without the frist relegions comunity woulden be possible. Faith is much bigger then what you make out of it. Everybody has it and need it. If faith is need as fundamental or is a byproduct depends on the religion.
moglei 11 hours ago
Faith in Action 1 Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.
So in the christian religion faith is a fundamentel (every christian should have that)and it's defind like above which means nothing more then without knowing.
So it's own of the challenges there god give to them to believe in him without prove.
So profing the excistens of god would destroy a big part of there religion.
moglei 11 hours ago
@moglei I give up, you don't seem to understand the flaw of your arguement even if pointed out to you.
Aragashia 11 hours ago
@Aragashia
It's is not mine i didn't make the christian religion. If you would first learn something about the religion and then starte too argu about it you woulden have this problems in understanding. herbe 11 1 can be and is interpreted in the form that god will never revial them self to the menkind and so he is not proofable. this is by the way besides Trinity one of the biggest discussion in christian relgion.
moglei 11 hours ago
And i got your point, totaly see what you mean. May argument is counterintuitive and seams like it make no sence, but this christian religion as it define it self. Because i knew that i think the way you think about my argument about christians trying to proof god's exsitence.
moglei 11 hours ago
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@Aragashia
@Aragashia
"I'm pretty sure that no religious person would pass up the opportunity to be proven right in their belief. " 100% you're opinion, but it doesn't work with there religion.
see Hebrews 11
moglei 11 hours ago
When you say every law has a lawgiver you didn't toughed but circles (same as the first cause), so maybe the rules of moral are causing them to exist. Then you would need a higher being to implement them. They implement them self.
moglei 1 day ago
Dear Kristina what you're try to do here is to proof the existence of god via logic. Much smarter people then you and me weren't able to do so. Like Aristotle, St. Thomas Aquinas , Leipniz and many others. And as all the others how tried to proof or unproof god's existence you failed.
You reasons have the same leaks as the argument of the first cause or better are just a variation of it.
moglei 1 day ago
@moglei Leibniz* ;)
Waredwr 1 day ago
@Waredwr
Leipniz is a famous german mathematician, philosopher and scientist. Not only cookies ^^
He's real important for the history and development of formalism.
Gottfried_Wilhelm_Leibniz
moglei 14 hours ago
@moglei My mistake my friend, I though you were referring to Leibniz, pardon my ignorance.
Waredwr 46 minutes ago
Hitler was a Christian. Do your research. Just Google "Gott mit uns".
TheGylden 1 day ago
the only possitive thing about this video is that you allow ALL comments, unlike most christian videos.
Neshuah1 1 day ago
murder is wrong because if it wasn't, we would not survive as a species. that also applies to theft and so on, cheating is bad because of sexual jealousy, etc etc. the law giver of our morals is nature. you assert there a deity, just like ancient greeks did with storms and rainbows.
Neshuah1 1 day ago
Moral law = common sense. I wouldn't like anyone to kill me so I don't kill others. I wouldn't like my GF to be raped so I don't rape. Simple. Why some entity had to write anything in my muscle (heart). Majority said that it's wrong to kill people. If some asshole kills somebody we lock him up. Than again there are still tribes that allow canibalism - we don't. So your universal law got owned. About 2+2 - kids figure it out by counting fingers = observation.
slh86 1 day ago
Im not an atheist, but I'll answer your questions.
1. Yes, Hitler was wrong to have ordered harm on other human beings.
2. By the moral standard of Earth's living beings.
3. They exist between all living things.
First off - every law has a giver. Why? Because humans give laws to each other and we know no other way for this exchange to happen? Pretty self-absorbed to think we work like the universe or vice versa. Truly good people do not need a 1000 pg rulebook on how to be a good soul.
rev1ction 1 day ago
And Hitler was a Christian.
dedokta 1 day ago
The law of gravity does not have a law giver. Moral Law is a human concept, not an accepted truth. Therefore point 3 is not true.
dedokta 1 day ago
first off. woman with unecesssarly big earings piss me off. thought you should know a little about me. second. after 3 minutes i knew how the next 6 minutes are going to be. a dozen ways to say the same thing a different way. third. your logic is understandable. this is the first video i had to think about your arguement. if there is a law. there must be a law giver. great arguement but your not really a law giver if you announce something everybody alread knows.
MrNeverenough 1 day ago
Atheism=situational ethics, you just do what you feel or think is right since there are no absolutes?
RonSafreed 1 day ago
Thanks god, I just saved time. Thanks guy below.
ExperimentLife 1 day ago
TO ALL ATHEISTS: Trying to explain to these people how ridiculous their arguments are is like trying to explain to a child why he/she cannot have anything he/she wants. It doesn't matter how logical your argument is, they cannot comprehend. Save your fingers the trouble and just get drunk and laugh at these morons. The worst part about being an Atheist is not being able to rub it in all the god fearing idiots faces when we die that they were silly and wrong.
ennoidshun 1 day ago
* face palm*
Caferacingrocks 1 day ago
1. Every law has a law giver
This is a silly assumption, and the rest of your logic fails when removing it.
Roflcopter4b 1 day ago
John Dewey described humanism as our common faith, Julius Huxley called it religion without revelation The first humanist manifesto spoke openly of humanism as a religion In the 1961 surpreme court case Torasco vs. Watkins classified secular humanism as a religion!!!!
RonSafreed 1 day ago
Faith hope&love are 3 of the most valued virtures in Christianity. Faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen. Hope is a future expectation&the greatest love sacrifices for the welfare of others than being self-centered What is faith,hope&love in atheism? Atheist commonly bash Christian faith&hope.
RonSafreed 1 day ago
@RonSafreed
Faith: Faith is the beliving in unproven things. or in other words handling things like knowing things without knowing them.
there for it's rediculas to try to locial argu about beleaving or somebody is right with doing so.
hope: is to wish something to "good" happen / like when you flip a coin and "hope" it will land heads up because you bed on this.
love: is difficult to discriepe but it's the same in christian religion. there is no exact definiton of love in the bible as well.
moglei 1 day ago
There is another aspect of religion of the Bible than Judaism/Christianity,is older&excisted til the 20th century Bible Adam-Abraham/Moses Job in Job lived centuries before Abraham but had the same God Corneilius was neither Jew/Christian nor pagan,heathen,infidel,but"devout" This devout monotheism was in earliest human history but most fell away from it but some held it til now Books-Eternity In Their Hearts Don Richardson,also Arthur Custance has a book on-line ready to read on this monotheism
RonSafreed 1 day ago
Voltaire the famous French infidel of the 18th century said that Christianity would be extinct within a century of his death. He died in 1778 Well Voltaire"what happened"History has proven you 100% wrong&0% right Book-Evidence That Demands A Verdict by Josh McDowell
RonSafreed 1 day ago
In 1949 when Mao&the communist came to power in China there were 1 million Christians Mao was gung-ho on wiping out all religion as well as illiteracy As literacy increased so did Christianity After 64 years of an iron-fisted policy towards religion in China,now there are 130 million Christians converting at a rate of 30000 a day Hey atheist China needs some atheist missionaries to try to convert these Chinese Christians back to atheism Maybe Mao's little red book can help Any volunteers?AnyAny?
RonSafreed 1 day ago
In the former USSR1917-92 atheism/evolution was taught daycare-university The Bibkle was banned&it was illegal to teach it to kids Within months of the fall of the USSRin 92 the Bible was put back in Russian schools Olga Lutsenko an atheist was the main one behind it Death threats made her leave to Canada in 96&she is a Christian now She is on youtube&I support her work financially putting Bibles in Russian&Ukranian schools The Bible absent 75 years in Russian schools now back 20 years Amazing.
RonSafreed 1 day ago
John Wycliffe1330-1385 translated the Bible from Latin to middle English in 1382 felt the Bible should be in the tongue&hands of the masses In 1442 his remains were dug up&a trial was held condemming him His bones were burned to powder&dumped in a river I read his lifestory&I have the book Evil men in high places kept the Bible from most clergy&all laity over 1000 years Many folk don't know this both Christian&atheist,muslim&others you all do now Having a trial for a dead man is total lunacyFYI
RonSafreed 1 day ago
The Bible has been accessible to the masses less than 500 years William Tyndale1498-1542 was the first to mass publish Bibles using a printing press in 1525 Before it took 10 months to handwrite a Bible He smuggled them to England from Belguim&cost a week's wage He spoke 9 languages He was wanted,betrayed&caught,tried&executed in Brussels1542 I read his lifestory&I have the book Many folk don't know this Some of Tyndales Bibles have survived til now Long&bloody was the path for common Bibles FYI
RonSafreed 1 day ago
If Hitler was a Christian, who was his pastor? What church did he attend, If he was Cathloc how often did he go to confession,take holy communion,what Cathloc church was he involved with.Where is his personal Cathloc Bible&other catacism books?Where are the photographs of Hitler regularly going to church? Who were his close Cathloc friends who were also devout?
RonSafreed 1 day ago
what in the world am i watching?
pattoney 1 day ago
I see a lunatic nodding to a voice in her head in this video.
BitfeNicks 1 day ago
Will you marry me?
gtwglenn 1 day ago
In Hitlers mind, he wasn't wrong. Hitler looked at people as groups, and one you take the prespetive of that, Hitler was completely right in doing so. But like most of us, we look at people as a single person and that makes his case completely wrong. It has nothing to do with religion.
biohazardsoldierPMK 1 day ago
"So moral relativism must be false."
You have A LOT of explaining to do if you are claiming that all throughout history, in every culture, morals have been 100% the same as they are in the present in your culture.
LOL4Polio 1 day ago
"There must be a Moral Law Giver"
You're right, us. Is this really that complicated?? If you don't understand how altruism/cooperation can be beneficial to a species it's because you have no idea what you're talking about.
LOL4Polio 1 day ago
Hitler- Christian
Ghandi- Non-Christian
This is why your God is the WORST proprietor of justice.
bigredphenom 1 day ago
I think killing people is wrong. I don't believe in God. I think it's wrong to take a life away, this in no way associates to whether or not 'someone' created the earth. I have my own morals, therefore I am my own moral giver. Your point is invalid, people who STRONGLY believe that abortion is wrong have killed doctors who perform the surgery. This has been recorded a lot. If those Christians have the same God as their moral giver, who says no to abortion and killing, explain those morals.
KcKeyly 1 day ago
Hitler was not an atheist
hockey3761 1 day ago
Hitler was declaring himself as christian, so..
Peace7Maker 1 day ago
@Peace7Maker he wasnt people who say they are christian doesn't make them one.... only a christian can identified by how he treats others..
4455315 1 day ago
1. Yes, of course
2. Whose ass did you pull "moral law" out of?
3. Repeat 2
4. We evolved to have morality. Read a book, you dumb shit. And no, not THAT one doesn't count.
DaltonMunnal 1 day ago
I like your stripper glitter.
BioGenocideSCD 1 day ago
Without Coke, Pepsi is meaningless.
BioGenocideSCD 1 day ago
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BioGenocideSCD 1 day ago
1. Yes, technically.
2. Says who? The Nazis didn't believe they were wrong. That automatically disproves your assumption. We believe them to be because they brought harm to other human beings. You don't need a wizard in the sky to tell you this.
3. Refer to 2.
There is no absolute moral guide. And you say "then life is meaningless"...well, in a sense, yes. Not everything is as perfect and peachy-keen as you would like it to be.
Beandude202 1 day ago
Hitler wasn't a Catholic, as much as he was someone who used religion as political persuasion.
You need to look up his stance on religious belief. If it was useful to the Party, then he would go along with it.
skankuser 1 day ago
darling, there is no such thing as a moral law.
ghombar 1 day ago
TITS or GTFO.
MrTROYisLegend 2 days ago
Moral law is a myth, this is shown when people like Hitler do things like that believing that they were justified. Hitler thought he was justified in the sense that he thought the Jews were to blame for shit happening in Europe. If we all had it in our heads that it is unacceptable to kill people without exception-such as you asserted- then Hitler would have too, and then the holocaust would have never happened.
DerikPapineau 2 days ago
How can you love something without hate, how can you hate something without love.
Gardan218 2 days ago
In the debate world, this is what we call a false dichotomy.
DerikPapineau 2 days ago
The assumption that every law has a law giver is wrong, there your argument is flawed and thus invalid.
zatoichi188 2 days ago
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Hitler killed Jews cause of what Christians said they did to their God.....at least that was his motivation. He wanted to finish the fight that his lord could not.....do some research
edemvedson 2 days ago
Hitler killed Jews cause of what Christians said they did to their God.....at least that was his motivation. He wanted to finish the fight that his lord could not.....do some research
edemvedson 2 days ago
Hitler was roman catholic and used that in Germany to rationalise their hatred to jews
WhatDehFish 2 days ago
... snookie stop having an oppinion
thmoviemarine 2 days ago
Learn your facts, hitler is an nazi idol, not an atheist
Castlehair 2 days ago
1:01 that's what she said.
Vingauld 2 days ago