Thanks man I found other methods like a wooden barrel rainwater some hole ect but this my friend is simple chemistry but i didnt think of electrolysis .I usual use that to make rust
For all those worried about the chlorine gas, just get a bigger surface container and over the wire that produces chlorine put an upside beaker over it to collect the gas. More sodium hydroxide as well :)
charcoal itself isn't really very conductive unless it's really compressed. Carbon electrodes or pencil lead might work, though.
Another option is to work out the stochiometry and use a sacrificial electrode, like iron, aluminum, copper, magnesium, something like that aluminum or magnesium would work best--the chloride salts would be more stable.
You'd get a metal chloride and lye. If you started with salt substitute, you'd get potash lye (KOH) and metal chloride
@coldsn I agree, it is often all too easy to form chlorates using an anode such as graphite that has a low overpotential for chlorine and hypochlorite and a high overpotential for oxygen.
You need a membrane cell to keep chlorine away from combining with other molecules. In the method you show, you basically are getting sodium hypochloride solution which is bleach, and may be a fraction of sodium hydroxide, its 99% bleach
@adesokmoa it's used mostly for making soap and diesel check out wiki and other sites for more uses.and you could always use it to burn yourself like in fight club
guys please don't comment on these videos unless you do have even some basic knoledge of chemistry, i cringe at you all, if you are trolling i must say you have succeded brilliantly
hey guys, since sodium hydroxide is the main ingredient in making soap, if I were to melt a bar of soap down to a liquid, would that liquid be sodium hydroxide? Or, would I have to put the liquid through a process in order to eliminate the other chemicals involved to make sodium hydroxide???
The way you did it will make Lye & bleach once all the salt (sodium chloride) is converted to lye & bleach. Using a membrane separator will also allow a concentration of sodium chlorate (not sodium chloride) to accumulate in the positive side. Not using a membrane allows the sodium chlorate produced to be recycled at the cathode and be converted into just lye & bleach. The challange is separating the lye, bleach & salt to purify your product. Good enough as is for basic lye uses.
A nonsense way of making nothing!! Industrially produced Lye will use S I M I L A R process, BUT, not the same process!!!, this vid looks like a chemical plant cleaning assistant old man tried Lye at home, all of you listen to a chemist or chemical engineer !!! Definitely not to this guy!!!
I dont Mean To "Bust your balls" but this way of making lye is not only dangerous its also illegal, Under the montreal protocal, there should not be any amount of chlorine gas release into the atmosphere. While I admit this is the best way I have found to make lye, I would recomend that you seal the container and use a piece of plastic tubbing to run the gas to a safety cylinder It will do 2 things, save the earth and make you money. there are companies that will buy the gas from you
@naturalmadethings I seriously doubt that the Earth has much to worry about from a small amount of chlorine. On an industrial scale, or if everyone was doing it, yes. But, I think the greater concern is that chlorine is some bad shit. Running the gas into a cylenar would require a compressor capable of handling chlorine gas. Any idea what those cost? I would either vent it outside far from where it can harm or I would use it for another project. Chlorine has been used in war. It is tough stuff.
@scanzew2 Absolutely do not use glass. It dissolves the glass slowly and then you have the problem of a compromised container, and contaminated chemicals, you'll have sodium silicate as a pollutant. *NO GLASS* ONLY BOIL down in *stainless steel pots.* These are very cost effective at many stores. Be careful. This stuff is very reactive. Read up on in before trying it. Be careful and have fun.
@jody4403363881 True I understand where your coming from, however a chlorine safe vacuum pump will run u about 60-500 bucks, Depending on brand and strength. The one I have is a 5 CFM, Almost the best one out there, and it was only 150. Yes I know It isnt harmful if 1 person does it, but what if 1 million do it, We would have 1 dangerous situation on our hands.
@naturalmadethings You know what, though? People that have never messed with any hands on stuff just have no clue how bad chlorine can be! I've been experimenting for years; and getting better at the safety part of things. But, I have on multiple occasions inhaled HCL and you would think since that is an acid that would be worse than Cl2. But, I've accidentally inhaled chlorine a couple times, and that stuff is serious bad news. I just wanted to stress that to all the readers. BE CAREFUL!
It's actually better if you don't use a saturated solution, since the chloride will react quicker with the sodium than the sodium will react with the water.
@gevelegian While I believe it should be up to an individual what they put in their own bodies, airing such an intention of youtube doesn't seem to put you in the distinction of the sharpest knife in the drawer. And, while I believe you are just joking around, if you actually try to do that now, you will probably either be incarcerated or a product of natural selection. Best of luck.
@jody4403363881 LOL first of all of course it was intended as a joke *check grammar* BUT you should see where I come from and then worry about incarceration which would be the least of my problems, anyway you seem to be on a roll of replies here, you sure you didn't take any stimulants?
@gevelegian Nah, I wish. ;-) I'm just one of those people that know a little bit about a lot of things. Unfortunately, one of those things that I don't know is when to shut up. You know the type, blah blah blah blah. If I actually did take a stimulant, I would probably end up incarcerated with a gag on just to shut me up. :)
OH CRAP! I paid more attention this time. DO NOT DO WHAT IS IN THIS VIDEO! This setup uses WAY TO HIGH voltage; regardless of your electrodes. And it's AC! Anode and Cathode switching 60x a second is *BAD.* Gotta use DC. A 12 volt battery charger (for a car) is nice. I like to run leads parallel from a battery and charger to my electrodes, which should be graphite. OMG, plugging things in like the illustration is a recipe for shocks, burns, blown fuses, and possibly serious injury or death.
Dude, it kills me how many people are busting your balls about making lye this way. Folks, this is how lye is made industrially. Although, they do tend to seperate the electrodes. I forget if it is the anode or the cathode that has to be seperated by a permeable membrane to keep the chlorine out. You can use any old glassware frit for this. Maybe even the guts from a britta filter. This makes very pure grade NaOH (Or other hydroxides depending on the starting salt.)
@jody4403363881 Something wrong here, because, if you have an anode and a cathode separator, you'd be using DC, and, you'd need a semi-permeable ionic membrane and no asbestos—don'cha think, . . .
@phillipgaley If you use AC you will not obtain an alkali hydroxide. And, a semi-permeable membrane; such as glass frit, would be dandy. You can rig it up to expel the chlorine. But, this is actually more difficult and less efficient. And, as far as asbestos, if I am not mistaken, it may be reactive with the hydroxide. You could probably get away with fiberglass. The better the chlorine is separated from the solution the better the final product will be. I have made sodium hydroxide, before.
@jody4403363881 Than as might have been, the vid was most sloppily done: asbestos is so heavy that, except in such as plumbing, fire-boxes and ducting wraps, and powdered for plastered lath, it was not otherwise used in the old houses. The membrane required must needs be an ionic barrier such as Nafion, as that used in reverse-osmosis, and fabricated around the anode (neg), to conduct the Cl up and out of the fluid. And low-voltage (1v-12v) DC is what would be required.
You should do a little research before posting nonsense. Look ot up pon wikihow under Make lye. It says there, "lye (sodium hydroxide- NaOH)". It turns out the "hillbilly" method is right after all because people hace known for centuries that this works. Yout method us just weitd.... and scary because someone could actually try this.
dude, you just killed like 4 kids somewhere around the world because they tried this and electricuted themselves and killed their family with chlorate poisining. Don't post videos that may kill people please, lol.
Holy shit is this guy retarded? Charcoal electrodes!!! please finish high school before making anymore videos. Whatever may result from this, it will definitely not be lye! Lye is made from ashes (best ashes are hardwood ashes), and needs to sit in a bucket of soft water (water that DOES NOT contain sodium OR magnesium) in other words rain water!
@addictedtoH2O Yeah, that's alright for producing lye for say, soap production. But, electrolysis produces a substantially better product. He's got the general idea how to produce it. But, as said in previous posts, DC nees to be used and something to separate the cathode and anode; otherwise you'll end up making bleach, and then sodium chlorate eventually. Personally, I think if you throw AC directly from an outlet in to saltwater, you will blow a breaker.
Wood ash actually make potassium hydroxide rather than sodium hydroxide, however the big difference is in the concentration. Wood ash produces a 1-3% solution, a proper electrolysis setup ( which this is not ) can produce a sodium hydroxide solution in the 40-50% range.
@xXKentoXx He's right. Electrolysis of water and salt produces hydrogen gas, chlorine gas, and when reaction is complete you are left with sodium hydroxide.
@fmeriqui it will work, if its separated into 2 cells linked by a salt bridge so the Cl2 will not react with the NaOH formed. even in a chlorate cell NaOH is formed first then reacts with the dissolved Cl to form chlorate.
@fmeriqui Actually, depending on the electrodes, and the positioning of same, you can produce sodium hydroxide aka lye (which is the first product,) sodium hypochlorite (this is bleach,) sodium chlorate, or even sodium perchlorate.
You actually use charcoal for electrodes? Did I see that right? I always used graphite. Oh, if you choose to allow the chlorine to mingle to make sodium hypochlorite, don't accidentally spill it on your new pants like I did :(
@fmeriqui Your equation is incorrect. Chlorine has a lower electromotive force. Also, elecrons being donated to the H+ ions would be coming from cathode; The anode would be overflowing with positive charge and that would halt the reaction.
@fmeriqui He's right. Electrolysis of water and salt produces hydrogen gas, chlorine gas, and when reaction is complete you are left with sodium hydroxide.
@fmeriqui ~ Dude... he's right. When the reaction is complete, you're left with sodium hydroxide. That's a scientific fact and not even close to being up for debate.
@fmeriqui pay attention to the half reactions at the anode and cathode, chlorine is given off from one, hydrogen is given off at the other causing sodium hydroxide to be formed, given if the chloring is bubbled back through the soloution it will create sodium hypochlorite unless the soloution is over 100 degrees centigrade
Sodium and hydrogen does not give you sodium hydroxide. Sodium hydroxide is NaOH not NaH. Even if this did work, the hydrogen would react with the chlorine to produce hydrochloric acid or HCl. So even if this did work, it would be extremely dangerous.
This isn't quite right. At first you get a small amount of sodium hydroxide, but as the pH increases the chlorine begins to remain in solution and oxidizes to chlorate.
You need to separate the electrodes with a special membrane or a mercury bridge to get any meaningful yield.
So, could you use this process with a potassium chloride salt substitute to yield potassium chlorate? Also, how could this be redone to yield potassium perchlorate?
Yes, this is exactly how you make chlorate. Potassium chlorate can be electrolyzed directly and then purified through recrystallization or you can precipitate it by adding saturated KCl solution to the sodium chlorate cell solution.
However, this method WON'T produce perchlorate, for that you need a lead dioxide or platinum plated anode. The best method for isolating the perchlorate is to first create sodium perchlorate and then precipitate by adding potassium chloride solution at 20C or lower.
@chandlerbeckhoff : carbon actually is a conductive material, it just has a high resistance. This brings the amps in the liquid down so that it doesn't 'boil' the water off rather than 'leeching' the chemicals out. It is a common practice to use carbon rods for electrolyssis applications, and for someone to get an education before speaking about failures of others.
@sabriath but carbon is only conductive if it is composed of sheets of covalently bonded carbon atoms allowing free electrons to pass inbetween layers, any other form of carbon like charcoal or diamond will not conduct electricity unless it has been doped
@Rannyfash : you replied to an 11 month old comment that dealt with carbon rods, aka graphite-like, aka "covalent bond sheets"....bravo. What exactly were you trying to accomplish? I honestly don't even remember what the video was about, and don't really care anymore.
@chandlerbeckhoff You need to so inform all the companies which, for some decades, have been using solid carbon rod centers in making their low voltage dry-cell batteries, . . .
formed sodium hydroxide is nearly unpossible to get pure in home lab. Boiling down a sodium hydroxide s really dangerous, because its highly corrosive and hot lye eat throw glass.
anyway it forms with CO2 in the air NaHCO3.
and its very hygroscopic. so drying it is really hard.
dropping a battery (alkaline?) into some water.. will actually put electricity in the water??? o_O are you reeeally sure? you could electrolyse NaCl to get NaClO3 (illegal oxidizer) but i guess that would be alot better with a car battery charger.. gonna buy one some day its goddamn -10 C in this country anyways under electrolysis of NaCl it will produce chlorine.. why not just lead that into some water to get some HCl? xD then you wont waste any.. ill maybe do it that way (:
Well I suppose that I know an easier way to creat Sodiumhydroxide. Get yourself a big water tank, it also works with a small one, and fill the tank with water. Now put a cube of Sodium in it, after the whole Sodium is "away", you´ll have Sodiumhydroxide.
you can get sodium chlorate from electrolysis of hot saline solution .But you had to keep it hot so it's hard to get it.. you can pour chlorine to boiling saline solution to get it too.
I used the graphite from a pencil to make the 2 electrodes. I have quite some experience making hydrogen and iron oxide. when I pluged it up the graphite started bubbling and it smelled like clorine. after 3 hours it wasnt making anymore bubles or anything but the water smelled like clorine, It was still clear and had transparent spots all in it. was that the sodium hydroxide?
Make sure the electrodes are seperated enough or the clorine and the NaOH will combine and form sodium hypochlorite. both sodium hydroxide and sodium hypochlorite are alkaline so it's hard to tell.
drill a hole and put the wire into the hole make sure it's attached to charcoal or it won't work. It doesn't have to be a charcoal well actually charcoal isn't the best anodes out there. if you can, use a graphic rod for a faster and better result
doesnt work very well, although it does produce NaOH the chlorine further reacts with it, forming sodium hypochlorite. Then the sodium hypochlorite is thus converted into salt again. Proving that this cant make any good yield.
Yes you are right, you need to use a diaphragm or a salt bridge connection, both are easy to make, you also have to prevent the electrolyte to contact with air which contains CO2.
NaClO3 can be formed but I think you won't use NaF to prevent the catodic reduction of chlorates, if the temperature is low minimal chlorate will be formed.
By the way referring to graphit electrodes as charcoal is kewlish...
Thanks man I found other methods like a wooden barrel rainwater some hole ect but this my friend is simple chemistry but i didnt think of electrolysis .I usual use that to make rust
seandizzy 1 week ago
No demonstration?
BoredomIdeas 1 month ago
So why charcoal I am not a chemist so I wouldn't know but why not just use metal rods and put the wire on those would that work?
7eyesdown 1 month ago
For all those worried about the chlorine gas, just get a bigger surface container and over the wire that produces chlorine put an upside beaker over it to collect the gas. More sodium hydroxide as well :)
ScootSkateBmxer 1 month ago
yay! now i can dissolve that body i have in my basement >8 3
burn19ballz 4 months ago
@burn19ballz youd want non-dilluted hcl for that tard
nindaff 3 months ago
@nindaff i was just being stupid i wasn't serious,of course you would need non-dilluted to dissolve the bones.
burn19ballz 3 months ago
charcoal itself isn't really very conductive unless it's really compressed. Carbon electrodes or pencil lead might work, though.
Another option is to work out the stochiometry and use a sacrificial electrode, like iron, aluminum, copper, magnesium, something like that aluminum or magnesium would work best--the chloride salts would be more stable.
You'd get a metal chloride and lye. If you started with salt substitute, you'd get potash lye (KOH) and metal chloride
coldsn 5 months ago
@coldsn I agree, it is often all too easy to form chlorates using an anode such as graphite that has a low overpotential for chlorine and hypochlorite and a high overpotential for oxygen.
Simlatio 3 months ago
very dangerous
malone162 5 months ago
Can I use this to make my homemade soap?
Greta1122 5 months ago
You need a membrane cell to keep chlorine away from combining with other molecules. In the method you show, you basically are getting sodium hypochloride solution which is bleach, and may be a fraction of sodium hydroxide, its 99% bleach
fspps2 9 months ago
Are you sure? I know that sodium hydroxide generate with electrolysis of sodium chloride in a membrane cell.
chrisano713 9 months ago
what advantage of sodium hydroxide?....can we make rocket fuel?
adesokmoa 10 months ago
@adesokmoa it's used mostly for making soap and diesel check out wiki and other sites for more uses.and you could always use it to burn yourself like in fight club
xXKentoXx 10 months ago
@adesokmoa It's used in hydrogen generators. Cool stuff.
cordovt1 8 months ago
@adesokmoa or u can use it to make drugs like Meth and to extract a few others ;)
ssssaintmarcus 2 weeks ago
I dunno about u guys but, this isnt worth it, considering noh is cheap...
Me102288 11 months ago
it doesnot genareate chlorine it makes HCl
dukilaki 11 months ago
guys please don't comment on these videos unless you do have even some basic knoledge of chemistry, i cringe at you all, if you are trolling i must say you have succeded brilliantly
Rannyfash 1 year ago
hey guys, since sodium hydroxide is the main ingredient in making soap, if I were to melt a bar of soap down to a liquid, would that liquid be sodium hydroxide? Or, would I have to put the liquid through a process in order to eliminate the other chemicals involved to make sodium hydroxide???
MrBman10123 1 year ago
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He's right. Electrolysis of water and salt produces hydrogen gas, chlorine gas, and when reaction is complete you are left with sodium hydroxide.
draw5570 1 year ago
He's right. Electrolysis of water and salt produces hydrogen gas, chlorine gas, and when reaction is complete you are left with sodium hydroxide.
draw5570 1 year ago
The way you did it will make Lye & bleach once all the salt (sodium chloride) is converted to lye & bleach. Using a membrane separator will also allow a concentration of sodium chlorate (not sodium chloride) to accumulate in the positive side. Not using a membrane allows the sodium chlorate produced to be recycled at the cathode and be converted into just lye & bleach. The challange is separating the lye, bleach & salt to purify your product. Good enough as is for basic lye uses.
carambatsr 1 year ago
I would imagine you could also use graphite from a pencil as the electrode as well.
helicrashpro 1 year ago
A nonsense way of making nothing!! Industrially produced Lye will use S I M I L A R process, BUT, not the same process!!!, this vid looks like a chemical plant cleaning assistant old man tried Lye at home, all of you listen to a chemist or chemical engineer !!! Definitely not to this guy!!!
yousri71 1 year ago
What should I use for an electrical current? (Suggestions)
Goststriker 1 year ago
I dont Mean To "Bust your balls" but this way of making lye is not only dangerous its also illegal, Under the montreal protocal, there should not be any amount of chlorine gas release into the atmosphere. While I admit this is the best way I have found to make lye, I would recomend that you seal the container and use a piece of plastic tubbing to run the gas to a safety cylinder It will do 2 things, save the earth and make you money. there are companies that will buy the gas from you
naturalmadethings 1 year ago
@naturalmadethings I seriously doubt that the Earth has much to worry about from a small amount of chlorine. On an industrial scale, or if everyone was doing it, yes. But, I think the greater concern is that chlorine is some bad shit. Running the gas into a cylenar would require a compressor capable of handling chlorine gas. Any idea what those cost? I would either vent it outside far from where it can harm or I would use it for another project. Chlorine has been used in war. It is tough stuff.
jody4403363881 1 year ago
@jody4403363881 Thanx for ur response...so boiling NaOH is the answer...
but how naoh effecting glass?!
scanzew2 1 year ago
@scanzew2 Absolutely do not use glass. It dissolves the glass slowly and then you have the problem of a compromised container, and contaminated chemicals, you'll have sodium silicate as a pollutant. *NO GLASS* ONLY BOIL down in *stainless steel pots.* These are very cost effective at many stores. Be careful. This stuff is very reactive. Read up on in before trying it. Be careful and have fun.
jody4403363881 1 year ago
@jody4403363881 True I understand where your coming from, however a chlorine safe vacuum pump will run u about 60-500 bucks, Depending on brand and strength. The one I have is a 5 CFM, Almost the best one out there, and it was only 150. Yes I know It isnt harmful if 1 person does it, but what if 1 million do it, We would have 1 dangerous situation on our hands.
naturalmadethings 1 year ago
@naturalmadethings You know what, though? People that have never messed with any hands on stuff just have no clue how bad chlorine can be! I've been experimenting for years; and getting better at the safety part of things. But, I have on multiple occasions inhaled HCL and you would think since that is an acid that would be worse than Cl2. But, I've accidentally inhaled chlorine a couple times, and that stuff is serious bad news. I just wanted to stress that to all the readers. BE CAREFUL!
jody4403363881 1 year ago
It's actually better if you don't use a saturated solution, since the chloride will react quicker with the sodium than the sodium will react with the water.
Kendrana 1 year ago
what is the charcoal for?
Jeff12798 1 year ago
@Jeff12798 To cook dinner ;-) Graphite from lantern batteries is a better choice.
jody4403363881 1 year ago
YAY now I can makes me some mef hehehe
gevelegian 1 year ago
@gevelegian While I believe it should be up to an individual what they put in their own bodies, airing such an intention of youtube doesn't seem to put you in the distinction of the sharpest knife in the drawer. And, while I believe you are just joking around, if you actually try to do that now, you will probably either be incarcerated or a product of natural selection. Best of luck.
jody4403363881 1 year ago
@jody4403363881 LOL first of all of course it was intended as a joke *check grammar* BUT you should see where I come from and then worry about incarceration which would be the least of my problems, anyway you seem to be on a roll of replies here, you sure you didn't take any stimulants?
gevelegian 1 year ago
@gevelegian Nah, I wish. ;-) I'm just one of those people that know a little bit about a lot of things. Unfortunately, one of those things that I don't know is when to shut up. You know the type, blah blah blah blah. If I actually did take a stimulant, I would probably end up incarcerated with a gag on just to shut me up. :)
jody4403363881 1 year ago
OH CRAP! I paid more attention this time. DO NOT DO WHAT IS IN THIS VIDEO! This setup uses WAY TO HIGH voltage; regardless of your electrodes. And it's AC! Anode and Cathode switching 60x a second is *BAD.* Gotta use DC. A 12 volt battery charger (for a car) is nice. I like to run leads parallel from a battery and charger to my electrodes, which should be graphite. OMG, plugging things in like the illustration is a recipe for shocks, burns, blown fuses, and possibly serious injury or death.
jody4403363881 1 year ago
Dude, it kills me how many people are busting your balls about making lye this way. Folks, this is how lye is made industrially. Although, they do tend to seperate the electrodes. I forget if it is the anode or the cathode that has to be seperated by a permeable membrane to keep the chlorine out. You can use any old glassware frit for this. Maybe even the guts from a britta filter. This makes very pure grade NaOH (Or other hydroxides depending on the starting salt.)
jody4403363881 1 year ago
@jody4403363881
thanks for this comment dude
btw
you could use asbestos and other membranes too.you could get them from your attic if your house is old enough.
xXKentoXx 1 year ago
@xXKentoXx Nice vid...can i know how to get solid naoh instead this process only generate liquid naoh?!
scanzew 1 year ago
@scanzew Boil the liquid down using stainless steel. Don't use glass!
jody4403363881 1 year ago
@xXKentoXx please don't use asbestos for your own sake, and those who may be around you. It's more dangerous than most people think.
URAconstructor 9 months ago
@URAconstructor that was just an example.
xXKentoXx 9 months ago
@jody4403363881 Something wrong here, because, if you have an anode and a cathode separator, you'd be using DC, and, you'd need a semi-permeable ionic membrane and no asbestos—don'cha think, . . .
phillipgaley 1 year ago
@phillipgaley If you use AC you will not obtain an alkali hydroxide. And, a semi-permeable membrane; such as glass frit, would be dandy. You can rig it up to expel the chlorine. But, this is actually more difficult and less efficient. And, as far as asbestos, if I am not mistaken, it may be reactive with the hydroxide. You could probably get away with fiberglass. The better the chlorine is separated from the solution the better the final product will be. I have made sodium hydroxide, before.
jody4403363881 1 year ago
@jody4403363881 Than as might have been, the vid was most sloppily done: asbestos is so heavy that, except in such as plumbing, fire-boxes and ducting wraps, and powdered for plastered lath, it was not otherwise used in the old houses. The membrane required must needs be an ionic barrier such as Nafion, as that used in reverse-osmosis, and fabricated around the anode (neg), to conduct the Cl up and out of the fluid. And low-voltage (1v-12v) DC is what would be required.
phillipgaley 1 year ago
who sings the song?
DraxVideos 1 year ago
and hydocloric acid becareful
openarms332 1 year ago
You should do a little research before posting nonsense. Look ot up pon wikihow under Make lye. It says there, "lye (sodium hydroxide- NaOH)". It turns out the "hillbilly" method is right after all because people hace known for centuries that this works. Yout method us just weitd.... and scary because someone could actually try this.
Flowerpowernluv 1 year ago
dude, you just killed like 4 kids somewhere around the world because they tried this and electricuted themselves and killed their family with chlorate poisining. Don't post videos that may kill people please, lol.
Potemtole 1 year ago
Holy shit is this guy retarded? Charcoal electrodes!!! please finish high school before making anymore videos. Whatever may result from this, it will definitely not be lye! Lye is made from ashes (best ashes are hardwood ashes), and needs to sit in a bucket of soft water (water that DOES NOT contain sodium OR magnesium) in other words rain water!
addictedtoH2O 1 year ago
@addictedtoH2O Yeah, that's alright for producing lye for say, soap production. But, electrolysis produces a substantially better product. He's got the general idea how to produce it. But, as said in previous posts, DC nees to be used and something to separate the cathode and anode; otherwise you'll end up making bleach, and then sodium chlorate eventually. Personally, I think if you throw AC directly from an outlet in to saltwater, you will blow a breaker.
jody4403363881 1 year ago
I'm sorry but this seems like an awful idea. I'd like to see you try it.
BrothersFreedive 1 year ago
thats ridiculous...
it would give you sodium chlorate
NaCl + 3H2O → NaClO3 + 3H2
you should pay attention in class before posting stupid videos like this
fmeriqui 1 year ago
that's if it is done with boiling saline water
xXKentoXx 1 year ago
@xXKentoXx
This isn't how my grandma made lye for soap.
She merely pored rain water over old wood ash, that drained through the bottom of a wooden hopper.
The strained liquid was lye and used to make soap.
What say you?
ziggy2sound4u 1 year ago
Wood ash actually make potassium hydroxide rather than sodium hydroxide, however the big difference is in the concentration. Wood ash produces a 1-3% solution, a proper electrolysis setup ( which this is not ) can produce a sodium hydroxide solution in the 40-50% range.
egbertfitzwilly 1 year ago
@egbertfitzwilly
I really could not say.
All I know is how grandma did it and it seemed to work for her soap.
Thanks for the response:)
ziggy2sound4u 1 year ago
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@xXKentoXx He's right. Electrolysis of water and salt produces hydrogen gas, chlorine gas, and when reaction is complete you are left with sodium hydroxide.
draw5570 1 year ago
@fmeriqui
2NaCl(aq)= H2+Cl2+2NaOH
AHW214 1 year ago
@fmeriqui thats if you dont add enough salt. the reaction is 2NaCl + 2H2O = H2 + Cl2 + 2NaOH. The charcoal is unnessecary
jvcrules 1 year ago
@fmeriqui it will work, if its separated into 2 cells linked by a salt bridge so the Cl2 will not react with the NaOH formed. even in a chlorate cell NaOH is formed first then reacts with the dissolved Cl to form chlorate.
Gmc42082 1 year ago
@fmeriqui Actually, depending on the electrodes, and the positioning of same, you can produce sodium hydroxide aka lye (which is the first product,) sodium hypochlorite (this is bleach,) sodium chlorate, or even sodium perchlorate.
You actually use charcoal for electrodes? Did I see that right? I always used graphite. Oh, if you choose to allow the chlorine to mingle to make sodium hypochlorite, don't accidentally spill it on your new pants like I did :(
jody4403363881 1 year ago
@fmeriqui Your equation is incorrect. Chlorine has a lower electromotive force. Also, elecrons being donated to the H+ ions would be coming from cathode; The anode would be overflowing with positive charge and that would halt the reaction.
WheatballCheese 1 year ago
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@fmeriqui He's right. Electrolysis of water and salt produces hydrogen gas, chlorine gas, and when reaction is complete you are left with sodium hydroxide.
draw5570 1 year ago
@fmeriqui ~ Dude... he's right. When the reaction is complete, you're left with sodium hydroxide. That's a scientific fact and not even close to being up for debate.
draw5570 1 year ago
@fmeriqui no sodium chlorate is salt what you start with
acmfraser 1 year ago
@acmfraser you start with sodium chloride
fmeriqui 1 year ago
@fmeriqui pay attention to the half reactions at the anode and cathode, chlorine is given off from one, hydrogen is given off at the other causing sodium hydroxide to be formed, given if the chloring is bubbled back through the soloution it will create sodium hypochlorite unless the soloution is over 100 degrees centigrade
Rannyfash 1 year ago
Sodium and hydrogen does not give you sodium hydroxide. Sodium hydroxide is NaOH not NaH. Even if this did work, the hydrogen would react with the chlorine to produce hydrochloric acid or HCl. So even if this did work, it would be extremely dangerous.
oobermate 1 year ago 2
Where's the fuck did oxygen go to?
when salt is added to water,hydrolysis occurs,which means, water molecules splits into H+ and OH-
this would be dangerous anyways,
xXKentoXx 1 year ago
so how do you make one can you give us clear directions?
maxinpains 1 year ago
not charcol its led u dumb fuck
jamecrowley 1 year ago
ok...so how does the charcoal tie into this whole process? Been looking for lye in stores..no luck yet...anyone have any suggestions?
koobamashack 1 year ago
Meh ill stick to use a glass bottle, stones, grass, and ash from wood...
Takes a while to make, but its free as can be and is safe, just dont touch the stuff....
viper19861986 1 year ago
Great Vid!! Thanks
CharlieSabaitis 1 year ago
how could this work? charcoal is not a conductor. and lye can be easily bought for very cheap. $5 a pound
TheBombBros 1 year ago
That video was 1 minute and 7 seconds that I lost in my life on earth.
TNITRATO 1 year ago
wtf.... did you sleep in chem class?
ToadCreek 1 year ago
it scares me that someone out there knows so much about chemistry and so little about grammar and spelling.
tonydecoste 1 year ago 11
@tonydecoste well what do you expect from me? Im a fucking JAP!
xXKentoXx 1 year ago 10
@xXKentoXx Japs rock. Other then driving, you guys are awesome in every way.
SurvivalistCrutch 5 months ago
@xXKentoXx Ha! HA! HA! Good one! Next time, he or she can keep his, her unproductives comments for him, hers
nickalisse1 4 months ago
This isn't quite right. At first you get a small amount of sodium hydroxide, but as the pH increases the chlorine begins to remain in solution and oxidizes to chlorate.
You need to separate the electrodes with a special membrane or a mercury bridge to get any meaningful yield.
Libertarianist 1 year ago
like asbestos?
xXKentoXx 1 year ago
Yes
Libertarianist 1 year ago
ok so its commercially made? not naturally? I need to know for project, ill say commmercial
CantStandIdiots94 1 year ago
No, this is not even how it's made. If you try to make it like this you'll end up with mostly sodium chlorate, not hydroxide.
Libertarianist 1 year ago
So, could you use this process with a potassium chloride salt substitute to yield potassium chlorate? Also, how could this be redone to yield potassium perchlorate?
mtflyer05 1 year ago
Yes, this is exactly how you make chlorate. Potassium chlorate can be electrolyzed directly and then purified through recrystallization or you can precipitate it by adding saturated KCl solution to the sodium chlorate cell solution.
However, this method WON'T produce perchlorate, for that you need a lead dioxide or platinum plated anode. The best method for isolating the perchlorate is to first create sodium perchlorate and then precipitate by adding potassium chloride solution at 20C or lower.
Libertarianist 1 year ago
Thank you, that was extremely helpful.
mtflyer05 1 year ago
Good luck blowing up the pentagon.
Libertarianist 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
note the carbon electrodes carbon being a non metal does not conduct electricity....FAIL
chandlerbeckhoff 2 years ago
no...im pretty sure it does...just not very well. graphite does for sure. plus im using carbon rods from a latern battery and its working.
blink182chase13 2 years ago
@chandlerbeckhoff : carbon actually is a conductive material, it just has a high resistance. This brings the amps in the liquid down so that it doesn't 'boil' the water off rather than 'leeching' the chemicals out. It is a common practice to use carbon rods for electrolyssis applications, and for someone to get an education before speaking about failures of others.
sabriath 2 years ago 5
then again i dont have an educatoin lol but carbon rods work fro me.
blink182chase13 2 years ago
@sabriath but carbon is only conductive if it is composed of sheets of covalently bonded carbon atoms allowing free electrons to pass inbetween layers, any other form of carbon like charcoal or diamond will not conduct electricity unless it has been doped
Rannyfash 1 year ago
@Rannyfash : you replied to an 11 month old comment that dealt with carbon rods, aka graphite-like, aka "covalent bond sheets"....bravo. What exactly were you trying to accomplish? I honestly don't even remember what the video was about, and don't really care anymore.
sabriath 1 year ago
@sabriath dont care
Rannyfash 1 year ago
Carbon actually DOES conduct electricity. As does lead dioxide, both of which are non-metals. FAIL FAIL.
Libertarianist 1 year ago
@chandlerbeckhoff You need to so inform all the companies which, for some decades, have been using solid carbon rod centers in making their low voltage dry-cell batteries, . . .
phillipgaley 1 year ago
make sure you use aluminum electrodes!!!!!!!!
freakin1random 2 years ago
lol
xXKentoXx 1 year ago
formed sodium hydroxide is nearly unpossible to get pure in home lab. Boiling down a sodium hydroxide s really dangerous, because its highly corrosive and hot lye eat throw glass.
anyway it forms with CO2 in the air NaHCO3.
and its very hygroscopic. so drying it is really hard.
rather buy it.
Myfanwy94 2 years ago
This is a way to make sodium hypochlorite or sodium chlorate (if the current is high enough to heat the hypochlorite up to disproportionate).
Go to ACE Hardware. 1 pound Sodium Hydroxide for 3.99.
pyropakman 2 years ago
why cant you just use a salt bridge?
Mrluisao17 2 years ago
you can just put a D cell battery in the salt water
coolliger 2 years ago
@coolliger
i dont think thats gonna work man..
antiswattt2 2 years ago
It does work, I have done it before. The problem is you get a weak soution of lye and it make chlorine gas, so there is no point.
coolliger 2 years ago
dropping a battery (alkaline?) into some water.. will actually put electricity in the water??? o_O are you reeeally sure? you could electrolyse NaCl to get NaClO3 (illegal oxidizer) but i guess that would be alot better with a car battery charger.. gonna buy one some day its goddamn -10 C in this country anyways under electrolysis of NaCl it will produce chlorine.. why not just lead that into some water to get some HCl? xD then you wont waste any.. ill maybe do it that way (:
antiswattt2 2 years ago
Yea you have to put NaCl into the water. It's not just water haha
coolliger 2 years ago
if you electrolyse water you will seperate HHO from each other, if using 2 of the same electrodes making an explosive gas mix (:
antiswattt2 2 years ago
i think this doesnt work.because the chlorine that is being created will react with de sodium hydroxide to form sodium chloride and HHO.
Mrluisao17 2 years ago
that's if the anode and the cathodes are too close.
xXKentoXx 2 years ago
Kento, why don't you just post a video using a salt bridge? I'll try this at home, but I'd like to see you do it.
Jartigas5 2 years ago
i'll post this when i have some spare time
xXKentoXx 2 years ago
lye is potassium hydroxide, not sodium KOH not NaOH
c1ements 2 years ago
@c1ements lye used to be known as KOH, it is now most commonly identified as SODIUM hydroxide.
Lorentz5 2 years ago
dude.. sodium hydroxide is NaOH and potassium hydroxide is KOH fail >_> but i think more people know it as caustic soda (sodium hydroxide)
antiswattt2 2 years ago
FACEPALM
xXKentoXx 2 years ago
@c1ements
fail...
coolliger 2 years ago
No, lye is sodium hydroxide.
Libertarianist 1 year ago
sorry another question, can you use like the charcoal used for sketching. is graphite ok?
hunterx2568 2 years ago
wont the lye that is being created be mixed with any left over water to form an exothermic reaction that'll melt the bottle?
hunterx2568 2 years ago
How can I electrify the solution? What is the use of the charcoal?
mclein1097 2 years ago
Well I suppose that I know an easier way to creat Sodiumhydroxide. Get yourself a big water tank, it also works with a small one, and fill the tank with water. Now put a cube of Sodium in it, after the whole Sodium is "away", you´ll have Sodiumhydroxide.
H2O + Na ---> NaOH + H2
QueenStillRocks 2 years ago
I´ve to improve the reaction scheme
2H2O + 2Na ---> 2NaOH + H2
QueenStillRocks 2 years ago
you'll also get an violent reaction..... and they don't sell one in a supermarket
xXKentoXx 2 years ago
Yes but the reaction is violent and elemental sodium is hard to get.
dragonridley 2 years ago
that makes sodium chlorate, because part of the chlorine gas react with the sodium hydroxide making sodium chlorate.
evsonjunior 2 years ago
I know... I forgot about the salt bridge. I;ll post an updated one some day
xXKentoXx 2 years ago
No.
Just when the electrodes are close together, the Chlorine reacts with the Sodium Hydroxide to Form OCl- ,Cl-
2NaOH + Cl2 -> NaOCl + NaCl + H2O
Over about 70°C the OCl- react to ClO³- and Cl-
3NaOCl -> 2NaCl + NaClO3
No Chlorate, when the electrodes are away from each other.
Myfanwy94 2 years ago
i mean ClO3-
Myfanwy94 2 years ago
Could that be continued to make sodium perchlorate?
dragonridley 2 years ago
you can get sodium chlorate from electrolysis of hot saline solution .But you had to keep it hot so it's hard to get it.. you can pour chlorine to boiling saline solution to get it too.
xXKentoXx 2 years ago
But what about Sodium perchlorate?
dragonridley 2 years ago
that's if it's close enough
xXKentoXx 2 years ago
You mean sodium chloride right?
As in
Na + Cl ---> NaCl
Sodium chlorate is NaClO3
Though that would be fun to get
dragonridley 2 years ago
I used the graphite from a pencil to make the 2 electrodes. I have quite some experience making hydrogen and iron oxide. when I pluged it up the graphite started bubbling and it smelled like clorine. after 3 hours it wasnt making anymore bubles or anything but the water smelled like clorine, It was still clear and had transparent spots all in it. was that the sodium hydroxide?
deerslayer048 2 years ago
I think so
use those ph testers to see if it's NaOH or not.
xXKentoXx 2 years ago
Make sure the electrodes are seperated enough or the clorine and the NaOH will combine and form sodium hypochlorite. both sodium hydroxide and sodium hypochlorite are alkaline so it's hard to tell.
xXKentoXx 2 years ago
Okay thanks.
deerslayer048 2 years ago
can i use this process to make potassium hidroxide??
Mrluisao17 2 years ago
if you do it with this method using potassium chloride,you'll get potassium chlorate which is used to make homemade plastic grenade
xXKentoXx 2 years ago
ok thanks for the help
Mrluisao17 2 years ago
kudos on a fantastic reference ;)
Mrmagictoasterman 2 years ago
how do u make it into solid form? cuz im using this for chemicals not soap
mregghole1 2 years ago
Boil the water, you should end up with the solid
Aff01000001 2 years ago
Both.
xXKentoXx 2 years ago
thanks for the video.
But one question. Can you be more precise on how to electrify the water? Just atach a wire to the charcoal?
eldiagrama 2 years ago
drill a hole and put the wire into the hole make sure it's attached to charcoal or it won't work. It doesn't have to be a charcoal well actually charcoal isn't the best anodes out there. if you can, use a graphic rod for a faster and better result
xXKentoXx 2 years ago
doesnt work very well, although it does produce NaOH the chlorine further reacts with it, forming sodium hypochlorite. Then the sodium hypochlorite is thus converted into salt again. Proving that this cant make any good yield.
Anarchary101 2 years ago
i thought that that made sodium chlorate.
drewtheimpaler 2 years ago
hey, can i use 2 sticks of charcoal and then salt water and a 9 volt battery to make NaClO3? (sodium chlorate)?
antiswattt 2 years ago
yeah but you'll have to use hot water.
xXKentoXx 2 years ago
No, you need an anode and a cathode
kuni45 2 years ago
That's if you make it with hot(90C) water.
xXKentoXx 2 years ago
2NaCl + 2H2O -----energy(electricity)-----> 2NaOH + H2 + Cl2.
The best place to do this is outside
Siarczan6Miedzi2 2 years ago
If you can't do it it outsite, do it in a kitchen with an air vent on.
xXKentoXx 2 years ago
The production of lye does not involve any salt.
This is all wrong.
onimotoko 2 years ago
Yeah, this doesn't work. This produces sodium hypochlorite. You need something like a Nafion membrane.
shadowdude77 2 years ago
3 Cl2 + 6 NaOH → 5 NaCl + NaClO3 + 3H2O
nope it doesn't
xXKentoXx 2 years ago
THAT reaction is legitimate, but what does that prove? You're trying to show us how to make hydroxide, not chlorate.
shadowdude77 2 years ago
when are you supposed to use opossum fat like granny on the beverly hillbillies?
Coffeeforevah 2 years ago
Are you talking about making soap? Or the NaOH
xXKentoXx 2 years ago
LOL I am and end user of soap, I never made any, just what I learn on TV sitcoms ;)
Coffeeforevah 2 years ago
Your repeatedly say "Chrolide" while it is actually "Chloride".
Masalmeh321 2 years ago
Agreed.
Spelling is important.
asianspark 2 years ago
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asianspark 2 years ago
3 Cl2 + 6 NaOH → 5 NaCl + NaClO3 + 3H2O
asianspark 2 years ago
Doesnt Chlorine also reacts with the hydroxide ion?
NaOH should be seperated from chlorine gas to prevent reacting and forming sodium hypochlorite.
asianspark 2 years ago
Yes you are right, you need to use a diaphragm or a salt bridge connection, both are easy to make, you also have to prevent the electrolyte to contact with air which contains CO2.
NaClO3 can be formed but I think you won't use NaF to prevent the catodic reduction of chlorates, if the temperature is low minimal chlorate will be formed.
By the way referring to graphit electrodes as charcoal is kewlish...
Jimmymajesty007 2 years ago
Yeah, carbon/graphite will be more appropriate.
xD
asianspark 2 years ago
WAAAAAAAAAIT,
Doesn't electrolysis of aqueous Sodium Chloride
Produce a mixture of Sodium Hydroxide and Sodium Hypochlorite ?
Cl2(g) + 2 OH-(aq) ----> Cl-(aq) + OCl-(aq) + H2O(l)
Or it doesnt?
asianspark 2 years ago
how can i do the procedure at home can i use a car battary and how do i connect it please
imraslan 3 years ago